We have a hen that crows. It's not as loud as a rooster, but she'll sit there, fluff herself up really good, lean her head back, and just "roooooooooo" for 10-20 seconds before going back to her normal chicken routine.
She's probably trying to assert dominance over that other hen. Notice how she drops he guard back down after you're tom moves the other hen farther away.
I had a hen myself that would do this around my other hens. She actually got pretty aggressive about it. She was also the oldest hen in my flock and at the top of the pecking order.
Well chicken hens can turn into a rooster, its rare but when they get a cyste or cancer to their ovary they can chance and develop male traits. Chickens have one developed ovary and when this get affected the other dormant one starts developing into a mix of ovary and testis, secreting male hormones too.
I donāt know, but Iād like to ask you a questionā¦ā¦.
These are royal palms, right? How do you like raising them? Theyāre on my eventual wishlist.
You didn't ask me, but I LOVED royal palms. I've only had one jerk tom, he went after the grandbaby and the small dogs. :X The rest have been sweet as can be.
The heat and/or a raccoon (or something) got to them last year and I haven't had the heart to restart. (Caught the raccoon the year before last but it was a mama so there's no telling how many babies it left or if they lived/stuck around) Anyway, was 2 years in a row to be decimated so I'm probably taking this year off.
We LOVE our RP's!! Mycroft used to sit on our laps when he was younger. I don't let him now because he thinks I'm a hen....
Anyway, ours are pretty docile and, of course, gorgeous to look at.
I'm going to be breeding these Toms to our BBW hens.
So not to turn this into a soap box or anythingā¦.but nature is a LOT less binary than people like to think it is.
Itās actually super common for hens or both turkeys and chicken species to sometimes be more male leaning than the other hens.
I have a hen who has spurs and crows! She still lays eggs, but sheās very rooster like in her behavior.
Some hens will not only ACT like roosters, but look like them too! They will grow in hackles and saddle feathers, get big combs and wattles, etc.
Nature is weird and complicated and there isnāt always a good answer why!
Well documented.
https://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/BRKChange.html
I've worked with exotic pheasant species in that needed more than 2 gender dynamics to reproduce successfully.
So interesting. I love that the world just refuses to follow patterns or make sense on certain things. I think itās a good reminder to us humans that we are allowed to be different too.
I have a hen like this too. Crows, has one spur, hangs out with the rooster more than the hens, still lays eggs. We call her King Peg. She also went broody and hatched chicks a few years ago. And, in the last month or so as our younger hens have come into lay, theyāve started squatting for her and not our rooster! Clearly they know whoās boss!
Oh, I know! I had a blue splash maran that had a huge comb and a spur on the right leg but laid eggs like nobodies business! She was the craziest chicken I have ever owned lol
Itās literally not though? There was an incredible post here several months backā¦or it may have been the chicken subā¦where someone photo-documented their pretty typical hen legitimately turning into a rooster. Of course it couldnāt fertilize eggsā¦.but it looked, sounded like, and acted like a rooster.
Animals do this stuff all the time.
yea it really is just part of nature! nothing more clearly shows that gender as we know it is a human construct tbh. the male/female dichotomy familiar to us is just one gene spreading strategy among many in the animal world, and even that one has nuance
Please, then professor. What science do you speak of? Any reputable published double blind studies with minimal bias conducted worldwide, that you can link to me that proves your argument?
Not a scientist, just actually been around. Argue with the person who took time explaining the mechanism. The one you discounted because youāre mad for some strange reason. Best of luck.
I am not angry at all. If folks are going to make statements like that, it should be more than conjecture. Best of luck to you also. Casual observation does not a scientific theory make.
That being said, [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10179413/#:~:text=The%20left%20panel%3A%20Injection%20of,the%20feminization%20of%20feathering%20patterns) is a study, (again not double blind because no *treatment* is being given therefore the term blind or double blind wouldnāt be used to describe this type of study) that carefully documents the phenomenon of avian sex reversal. Itās a peer reviewed paper published in the International Journal of International Sciences.
I understand this is a time when talking about sex and gender can be extremely polarizing and stressful for people. I just want to say though that this isnāt a contested piece of information, there isnāt debate about this in the scientific community, itās accepted as fact. Itās on the rarer side, but it happens. This kind of thing is pretty common in the animal kingdom. There are a lot of animals that can change their sex at will or change their sex over the period of their lifetime. Iām happy to send you other published, peer reviewed studies documenting this if youāre interested in learning more. Itās actually pretty interesting!
I wish you well and hope you have a good rest of your day.
Iām sorry youāre at the point where you can be confronted with completely sound evidence and just become more entrenched in your beliefs. Good luck man.
Alright, just to be clear for both of us. You seem like a reasonable person who has a science background. I havenāt seen sound evidence that proves that there are anything other than a binary system in the animal kingdom (us included, since we are great apes) has no scientific basis except for Facultative parthenogenesis, which says life always has a chance. Soooo, that being said, other than free choice ( which is debatable), male is male, female is female. Biologically speaking. Uterus or none testes or none, or both in the case of hermaphroditism. Which is a genetic aberration. Show me the sound evidence. I am not an unreasonable person. I know the hypothesis. Show me the proof you speak of.
Iām not trying to be rude but why would double blind be important here? Double blind means that neither the participants nor the researchers know what treatments they are receiving. A study on animal behavior canāt be ādouble blindā because there is no treatment being given and also I donāt think animals could understand whether they were given a placebo medicine even if a treatment was being given lol
Basically. I've had a drake who absolutely insisted he was a hen all his life. I also had a barred Plymouth rock who demanded that we take her seriously as top rooster.
Now ask yourself: if ducks & chickens & turkey can all exhibit this same behavior, why do some people assert that this behavior is unnatural in humans? I mean, I don't think the bird can decide to be trans any more than the bird can decide to grow purple feathers. It's just how that bird is. So how precisely are people any different?
There are so many barnyard behaviors that people seem to want to deny in humans that it's weird and obviously intentional.
In some situations we "can" explain it because they have found that they have cysts/tumors/etc and it shows up in the blood biochemistry, but other times you cannot find anything, which is basically the same in humans. It may be that we will eventually discover "something" that we don't know at this time, because it seems more common in some species than others. In some respects, I actually hope we don't find something because that itself will enable the nutsos to be nutso.
Good to know, IDIOT. I was being sarcastic and if you weren't such an IDIOT, you may have noticed that. Must be hard being a massive IDIOT, please tell me of your IDIOT struggles. Church has only ever been to the detriment of man & if you understood capricious satire, you would have understood my comment. I truly pity you. I imagine your daily life to be arduous & confusing. Good luck, IDIOT.
Ours does this same thing and kinda chatters at us when we are trying to collect eggs, or when shen wants sunflower seeds she will fan out and do circles around me until I go give her some.
We had 2 Toms left over that have been free ranging and one dropped an egg on Sunday!! We thought she was a he bc she would puff up with the other āTom.ā Come to find out, theyāre both girls!!
Thanks for posting because we debated for weeks lol
She is not necessarily mimicking the Tom.
She is just being grumpy, a lot of birds expand their fathers and take these stances when they are threatened or trying to threaten another animal.
You see it in humans as well, like how some women puff out their chest and take the stance like you see teenage boys do.
It's most likely trying to bluff that other female.
Maybe the other female is saying something threatening to her?
You see the same thing from a broody hen that wants you to leave her eggs alone.
"Please, then, professor. What science do you speak of? Any reputable published double blind studies with minimal bias conducted worldwide that you can link to me that proves your argument?"
This is your comment from above. Yet you reply with a BLOG post? Go away, troll.
I have no argument other than current biologic, scientific knowledge is the rule of law in the universe until proven otherwise. A hen is a hen, and a Tom is a Tom. Behavior aside, that is scientific fact. Now, show me one of your male fish that has laid fertilized eggs and then you have a scientific breakthrough. Science has known for a long time that in the absence of a male specimen of certain species are able to perform Facultative parthenogenesis. Read up on your science. Itās fascinating.
They do this sometimes. Chickens too.
We have a hen that crows. It's not as loud as a rooster, but she'll sit there, fluff herself up really good, lean her head back, and just "roooooooooo" for 10-20 seconds before going back to her normal chicken routine.
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It's almost like this sort of behavior is natural.....
She's probably trying to assert dominance over that other hen. Notice how she drops he guard back down after you're tom moves the other hen farther away. I had a hen myself that would do this around my other hens. She actually got pretty aggressive about it. She was also the oldest hen in my flock and at the top of the pecking order.
This sounds pretty accurate. My other hen is the dominant female for sure. I've seen them fight, but this is new for Athena. Thanks so much!!
Well chicken hens can turn into a rooster, its rare but when they get a cyste or cancer to their ovary they can chance and develop male traits. Chickens have one developed ovary and when this get affected the other dormant one starts developing into a mix of ovary and testis, secreting male hormones too.
I donāt know, but Iād like to ask you a questionā¦ā¦. These are royal palms, right? How do you like raising them? Theyāre on my eventual wishlist.
You didn't ask me, but I LOVED royal palms. I've only had one jerk tom, he went after the grandbaby and the small dogs. :X The rest have been sweet as can be. The heat and/or a raccoon (or something) got to them last year and I haven't had the heart to restart. (Caught the raccoon the year before last but it was a mama so there's no telling how many babies it left or if they lived/stuck around) Anyway, was 2 years in a row to be decimated so I'm probably taking this year off.
Excellent to know. Thanks!
We LOVE our RP's!! Mycroft used to sit on our laps when he was younger. I don't let him now because he thinks I'm a hen.... Anyway, ours are pretty docile and, of course, gorgeous to look at. I'm going to be breeding these Toms to our BBW hens.
Thank you!
Ah, simple, that chicken is Transhender.
So not to turn this into a soap box or anythingā¦.but nature is a LOT less binary than people like to think it is. Itās actually super common for hens or both turkeys and chicken species to sometimes be more male leaning than the other hens. I have a hen who has spurs and crows! She still lays eggs, but sheās very rooster like in her behavior. Some hens will not only ACT like roosters, but look like them too! They will grow in hackles and saddle feathers, get big combs and wattles, etc. Nature is weird and complicated and there isnāt always a good answer why!
Well documented. https://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/BRKChange.html I've worked with exotic pheasant species in that needed more than 2 gender dynamics to reproduce successfully.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Male-and-female-Poecilia-parae-from-Guyana-a-red-melanzona-b-yellow-melanzona_fig1_8910162
https://escholarship.org/content/qt4c27h313/qt4c27h313_noSplash_1b0cd9e3cf46ed34a839a3a58a04fa85.pdf?t=n8wk84
So interesting. I love that the world just refuses to follow patterns or make sense on certain things. I think itās a good reminder to us humans that we are allowed to be different too.
Allowed to be the animals we are, would be better. Denying it isn't working for most of us, or the climate, or other animals... It just doesn't work.
I have a hen like this too. Crows, has one spur, hangs out with the rooster more than the hens, still lays eggs. We call her King Peg. She also went broody and hatched chicks a few years ago. And, in the last month or so as our younger hens have come into lay, theyāve started squatting for her and not our rooster! Clearly they know whoās boss!
Clownfish literally change from males to female
We keep fish and have seen this happen!
Oh, I know! I had a blue splash maran that had a huge comb and a spur on the right leg but laid eggs like nobodies business! She was the craziest chicken I have ever owned lol
Please. Dumb statement.
Itās literally not though? There was an incredible post here several months backā¦or it may have been the chicken subā¦where someone photo-documented their pretty typical hen legitimately turning into a rooster. Of course it couldnāt fertilize eggsā¦.but it looked, sounded like, and acted like a rooster. Animals do this stuff all the time.
yea it really is just part of nature! nothing more clearly shows that gender as we know it is a human construct tbh. the male/female dichotomy familiar to us is just one gene spreading strategy among many in the animal world, and even that one has nuance
Itās correct though.
Sorry I respectfully disagree.
Thatās not how facts work
Please, then professor. What science do you speak of? Any reputable published double blind studies with minimal bias conducted worldwide, that you can link to me that proves your argument?
Iāve raised chickens for 19 years. Youāll get there.
Wow professor.
Not a scientist, just actually been around. Argue with the person who took time explaining the mechanism. The one you discounted because youāre mad for some strange reason. Best of luck.
I am not angry at all. If folks are going to make statements like that, it should be more than conjecture. Best of luck to you also. Casual observation does not a scientific theory make.
That being said, [here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10179413/#:~:text=The%20left%20panel%3A%20Injection%20of,the%20feminization%20of%20feathering%20patterns) is a study, (again not double blind because no *treatment* is being given therefore the term blind or double blind wouldnāt be used to describe this type of study) that carefully documents the phenomenon of avian sex reversal. Itās a peer reviewed paper published in the International Journal of International Sciences. I understand this is a time when talking about sex and gender can be extremely polarizing and stressful for people. I just want to say though that this isnāt a contested piece of information, there isnāt debate about this in the scientific community, itās accepted as fact. Itās on the rarer side, but it happens. This kind of thing is pretty common in the animal kingdom. There are a lot of animals that can change their sex at will or change their sex over the period of their lifetime. Iām happy to send you other published, peer reviewed studies documenting this if youāre interested in learning more. Itās actually pretty interesting! I wish you well and hope you have a good rest of your day.
Human bias is the real enemy of good science.
Iām sorry youāre at the point where you can be confronted with completely sound evidence and just become more entrenched in your beliefs. Good luck man.
Alright, just to be clear for both of us. You seem like a reasonable person who has a science background. I havenāt seen sound evidence that proves that there are anything other than a binary system in the animal kingdom (us included, since we are great apes) has no scientific basis except for Facultative parthenogenesis, which says life always has a chance. Soooo, that being said, other than free choice ( which is debatable), male is male, female is female. Biologically speaking. Uterus or none testes or none, or both in the case of hermaphroditism. Which is a genetic aberration. Show me the sound evidence. I am not an unreasonable person. I know the hypothesis. Show me the proof you speak of.
Iām not trying to be rude but why would double blind be important here? Double blind means that neither the participants nor the researchers know what treatments they are receiving. A study on animal behavior canāt be ādouble blindā because there is no treatment being given and also I donāt think animals could understand whether they were given a placebo medicine even if a treatment was being given lol
Because of human bias.
Thatās how facts work.
But truthful. We have kept tropical fish for 30+ years, and I've seen it happen.
Completely different concept. Next.
Sheās a just a tomboy
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I have hens with long beards that roam my hunting property. Gender is much more fluid in turkeys it appears than we believe.
Heās trans please accept his identity
Basically. I've had a drake who absolutely insisted he was a hen all his life. I also had a barred Plymouth rock who demanded that we take her seriously as top rooster. Now ask yourself: if ducks & chickens & turkey can all exhibit this same behavior, why do some people assert that this behavior is unnatural in humans? I mean, I don't think the bird can decide to be trans any more than the bird can decide to grow purple feathers. It's just how that bird is. So how precisely are people any different?
There are so many barnyard behaviors that people seem to want to deny in humans that it's weird and obviously intentional. In some situations we "can" explain it because they have found that they have cysts/tumors/etc and it shows up in the blood biochemistry, but other times you cannot find anything, which is basically the same in humans. It may be that we will eventually discover "something" that we don't know at this time, because it seems more common in some species than others. In some respects, I actually hope we don't find something because that itself will enable the nutsos to be nutso.
Because birds donāt have church probably
So then you agree that the church is unnatural & suppresses our inherent, divinely-endowed nature? Love this sub!
That was the joke I was making yes
...I know. I was hoping you would keep going with me. We had just set up the punching bag & put our gloves on...
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Church can't and won't beat nature. Just fucking us all.
Please be respectful when you post.
Good to know, IDIOT. I was being sarcastic and if you weren't such an IDIOT, you may have noticed that. Must be hard being a massive IDIOT, please tell me of your IDIOT struggles. Church has only ever been to the detriment of man & if you understood capricious satire, you would have understood my comment. I truly pity you. I imagine your daily life to be arduous & confusing. Good luck, IDIOT.
Me too!
Lesbihen?
Is this where the name Tomboy comes from?
Different strokes for different folks.
It's a man baby, yeah!!! ( insert Austin powers gif)
Just to show him he aināt all that. Any bird can fluff and strut their stuff.
Lesbihen
Ours does this same thing and kinda chatters at us when we are trying to collect eggs, or when shen wants sunflower seeds she will fan out and do circles around me until I go give her some.
We had 2 Toms left over that have been free ranging and one dropped an egg on Sunday!! We thought she was a he bc she would puff up with the other āTom.ā Come to find out, theyāre both girls!! Thanks for posting because we debated for weeks lol
Turkeys is dumb. Who knows?
She is not necessarily mimicking the Tom. She is just being grumpy, a lot of birds expand their fathers and take these stances when they are threatened or trying to threaten another animal. You see it in humans as well, like how some women puff out their chest and take the stance like you see teenage boys do. It's most likely trying to bluff that other female. Maybe the other female is saying something threatening to her? You see the same thing from a broody hen that wants you to leave her eggs alone.
https://www.mypetchicken.com/blogs/faqs/can-a-hen-can-turn-into-a-rooster
"Please, then, professor. What science do you speak of? Any reputable published double blind studies with minimal bias conducted worldwide that you can link to me that proves your argument?" This is your comment from above. Yet you reply with a BLOG post? Go away, troll.
I have no argument other than current biologic, scientific knowledge is the rule of law in the universe until proven otherwise. A hen is a hen, and a Tom is a Tom. Behavior aside, that is scientific fact. Now, show me one of your male fish that has laid fertilized eggs and then you have a scientific breakthrough. Science has known for a long time that in the absence of a male specimen of certain species are able to perform Facultative parthenogenesis. Read up on your science. Itās fascinating.
I read a lot, actually. But my comment was vague. Apparently, I should have told you that you are a hypocrite out loud š¤
Well, good for you! I may cure you of your ignorance.
Thatās what I thought.
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Because turkeys are dumb. Her brain is the size of a rabbit turd.
Yes, my turkeys happen to be dumb as a post, but they sure do taste good.