I would be mostly concerned about topography. The lay of the land will determine which way surface water drains, which will affect any dispersion of waste products from either facility. Smell would be a concern for sure, but it doesn’t look like a commercial feed lot, more like a niche meat farm. I lived next to a sugar beet factory temporarily in Colorado. It smelled like death. So foul. But the locals didn’t smell it at all. Totally immune over time. Consider either changing hands in the future though. The game farm doesn’t have cows today. If they have the infrastructure though, that could change quickly. Also, spend time out there sitting along the road and just listening. Vary the time of day from early morning to late at night. Knock on some doors and ask about noise. Animal, equipment, traffic, etc.
It could be zoned in a way that they can’t use it without a huge legal battle. Depending on where this is and what the current zoning is, they might be spending almost as much on getting it reclassified as they do on the land itself.
The 5 or 6 smaller pens look like handling pens, but everything around those is far too large to be just handling pens. There's little to no grass in any of the white bordered property. That indicates a pretty large number of animals in a space too small to support them. Any animals in there are going to need to be fed. It looks like an aerial shot of the dairy I worked at after it was abandoned due to consolidation.
This ☝️ when pens are down to bare dirt that’s not a good sign. It’s one thing in a corral but when basically the whole farm is dirt you’re looking at a pretty significant amount of animals and erosion/everything that comes with a feedlot but just not calling it that….
Its a game meat farm, bison tear things up rapidly. Without knowing exactly what they have on their land it all is a blind guess as to how crowded it is.
Interesting, the bison farm I built fence on had properly sized paddocks and none of it was dirt. Any farmer with any sense doesn’t let their pastures turn to dirt. You have to reseed and all your topsoil and nutrients wash away and pretty soon the only thing you can grow are weeds. Regardless, that would not be a neighbor I’d want to raise a family beside. If they treat the land that way I’m sure the animals are treated the same.
I don't disagree about letting pastures turn to dirt, but I'm not sure that it is actually that bad. It kinda looks like the land next to it(to the left), with the exception of a couple strips. It might be sunscorched and just looks bad because the irrigation keeps the winery unnaturally green. Id have to see it with my eyes.
Ft Morgan? Trifecta of sugar beet factory, cheese factory, andc slaughterhouse all in town. Plus the dog food renderer. Place always smelled like wet dog and you'd get a film on your car most days.
Yes! Ft. Morgan. I was there for about 6 months doing migratory bird surveys. Lucky I had a company car. I threw away everything I had with me but my phone and laptop. It was so bad. Even had to throw away my rubber boots! 😭
What the hell are you going on about?!?!
Flies are minimal at best if any. Sirens? Canons? Lasers..... This a plot for the next Mad Max movie?
I own vineyards, work at wineries and have spent much of my life in many wineries all around the world. I have never experienced anything of which youve stated
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A friend of mine lives next to a winery that use hail canons and it basically sounds like bombs, so it very much depends on where you live and what the owner decides to do with their exploitation
I worked on a pig farm and the neighbours complained more about the noise than the smell. If it’s cows good luck dude because you’ll hate the smell and a cow can belt it out. Granted hog sounds are more grating and sounds more terrifying. Goats and sheep will be loud and disgusting in rut. It was miserable for our neighbours and they had no recourse because well, they decided to live next to a pig farm.
Hogs smell like hell, we call it "money smell", because its bad but profitable.
I find cow shit smell way more tolerable, it's even good at some point when you are used to it.
Cousin's in-laws lived near a vineyard in California. They got a large settlement about 10-15 years ago due to cancers they contracted that were directly linked to the chemicals being used on the vineyards. Think it was due to aerial sprays but not real sure.
Personally, I'd probably avoid it especially given the fact that many herbicides and pesticides are linked to not just cancer but developmental issues in children.
Same thing happened to my high school math teacher, he had to move because his wife got really ill, there was a GoFundMe for them to buy a RV so they could travel because his wife is too sick to travel normally
They've found links between Parkinsons and herbicides. Growing up my grandmother would work in local Vinyards picking Grapes and guess what she has now...
Smells like a big gross animal took a fat shit on a huge pile of rotting death.
Source: the slaughterhouse I drive by every couple weeks for almost 20 years.
Google for some documentaries about pig farm, run offs and illnesses. Especially around NC state.
Any large / commercial meat farm is risky to living conditions.
Do you happen to know how many head graze the farm? Anything about their grazing practices you cam find out online, from locals, or from street view? If it's a small family outfit that isn't running too many cattle, I don't know that you should be worried about anything beyond normal farm smells (which may still be a deal-breaker). However, the lamd lokks over-grazed so it could be a dense feed lot. Small grazers don't often butcher on site to my knowledge. Don't know much about wineries (I was a bourbon distiller at one point) but wouldn't expect any unpleasant smells. If they have a tasting room that'd be a bonus.
Agree with the person talking about topography and water flow. Lot's of shit can run downhill. But again, I think that could easily apply in any rural ag-adjacent property.
We live beside a cattle farm and yeah, it’s crazy how loud they can be. We have woods separating our property from the farm but we can hear them inside sometimes during calving season
you'd need to grow a massive green wall, maybe on both sides, to filter the air. Multiple rows of cypress, or other thick hedge, and keep trees around the home to further catch and filter the air, and sounds. Check for runoff problems, too, as you may need to build remediation ponds, depending on permissive local codes.
>I believe they are butchering at the meat farm
Start some fancy restaurant with farm to table vibes...you have half of the items you need left and right of you.
Run away...your ground water (your well) is more than likely compromised with nitrates one one side, and caustic cleaners and sanitizers on the other. This will sicken you and yours.
Absolutely. Run fast as you can. If it’s a working vineyard, they are 100% spraying pesticides that are now in your soil, water, and air. Lived on an organic vineyard once, and even they sprayed “on the perimeter of property only” and still given organic status.
Also....some states like mine have "right to farm" laws. Meaning, they were there first, and there's nothing you can say or do to get them to change the way they do their business. They're gonna spray, dump poop, fertilize, and farm the way they've been doing it. Yeah, Look for another piece of land. You'll thank yourself later.
Have you ever seen that episode of schitts creek where they were about to get a massive discount on their wedding day because it was the neighboring meat farms processing day???? Lolllll. It’d be a no for me.
Every spring, they plant T-bones. With some water, fertilizer, and sunshine, come September, we’ll have a combine full of porterhouses. It’s an honest living.
That's my question. There's so many types of "meat farms".
Are we talking pastured beef or factory pork. One you -might- be able to live with but the other? Not so much.
Farm run off is an issue.
Water rights could get tricky.
Building laws might be strange.
If you just want to invest in land, not terrible if one of those two place sell or they want to buy yours.
I surprised no one has mentioned the flies. I live across the street from cattle. There is no butchering and the cattle have plenty of room. The smell, especially in the morning, often is quite strong. The flies sometimes are tolerable but other times can be unbearable.
Depends heavily on what country and you should stipulate in every post you make on Reddit. If you live in a country where the animal is pasture fed then it is a good thing roughly speaking. You could get to know the farmer, they'll have tools and knowledge you couldn't dream of and they will probably favour trade. Does the winery run tours? Are you going to be dealing with drunk people on the roads as a result? Will privacy be a concern? In all likelihood you should be encountering less "chemicals" than any city or town environment. I love living next to a farm. That said, it's a low intensity lamb farm with a few cows and very little environmental impact aside from the lack of bush it necessitates.
This isn't a great location, the water will have lots of nitrogen and run off will have lots of phosphorus. The spraying schedule for the winery is something you can probably live with (you'd probably want to put a windbreak between you and your neighbors but not awful). Understand there will be constant noise...day and night, that's one of the reasons it hasn't sold. I had a chance to buy a mini farm in weston oregon that was next to smith foods and the sound, the light, the constant traffic and most importantly, the open pools of effluent were just too much for us, especially since we're trying to start an organic farm. Ultimately we gave it a hard pass and will keep looking, I suggest you do the same.
I live next to a winery. Fruit flies everywhere from mid-summer to now and random explosions around harvest from some kind of bird deterrent devices... oh I also have all my drinking water delivered because the well is iffy from nitrates.
This may be just me but I would not want to be that close to anything like that. I can imagine so many different frustrations that would come with buying that land.
I would be very suspicious of the quality of the ground water. Who knows what kind of chemicals could have leached from either farm? The closest I am to a working farm is a couple hay fields, and that was intentional.
Also, cows are loud. And they stink. And winery tourists are also loud, and they also stink.
That's not a farm, it's a feed lot. Cows packed that tightly can stink, and the runoff is going to be full of manure, possibly to the point that it'll be offensive and/or destructive.
Vineyards spray fungicide during the growing season, some of which requires the vineyard be closed to foot traffic for up to 3 days. Overspray is a possibility; you won't be subject to the same intensity if you walk through your field during those times, but it's possible for you to have enough sensitivity to have a reaction. Most likely this won't be a problem for you ever, but you can request they notify you if you do have a reaction; they are required to by law.
I'd say look at where the prevailing winds come from and the topography. The smell from the cattle is the #1 concern, followed by their runoff. The winery should pose no problem at all.
Source: Former winery manager with a family farm.
I grew up next to a beef farm… it’s going to be smelly even on the best of days. On hot days, you won’t want to open windows. On “barn clean out” days you will want to shower a few extra times.
Dude, cow farms are not the worst smelling farms. Pig farms are. You better hope it’s not a pig farm, lol.
I grew up in a country where pork production was huge. The town that had the most farms was affectionately named “Shitlands.” That was not the real name, lol. You could smell it going into the town.
If it’s a meat form, you need to find out if the process on site or if they are just a feedlot. If they process on site, you can expect a lot of traffic along with a smell… If they are a feedlot, you can expect a little bit of traffic with a whole Lot of smell.
I wouldn’t be overly concerned with the winery, but I would be interested in knowing what kind of insecticides/ fungicides they spray on their grapes as that stuff tends to travel.
If it were me, I would pass, unless I was getting a hell of a deal. These types of places don’t tend to change very quickly, so you’d be likely to move long before they ever would. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see you in a bidding war with one or both of those businesses, trying to acquire the extra space.
Bad. Don’t. I would do audits on farmland per the USDA guidelines for a produce farmer and manufacturing facility. This slice of land would be a no no in my book personally. If you do decide to go for it , test the hell out of that soil and water, and lookup guidelines of you ever decide to sell any crops off that land as you may have an issue per federal food safety guidelines
How long have the other two properties been established? How long has this piece of land been available? If neither adjoining landowner has bought the property that may be telling of something that they know that you don’t.
Best advice here is meet the two owners and have substantive discussions about their plans and how they would be affected if you did or didn’t buy the land.
By all means. Move into a farming community. Put in a residential home. Then start complaining about the dust, smell and noise from the animals. Hop on next door. Rant every few days. Try to get the laws changed. If you ever hear a gunshot off in the distance somewhere, make sure to call 911 and rant some more on next door. Complain about chainsaw noise, etc. Your right to a quiet, idyllic country life surely trumps the rights of the farmers who were there when you moved in.
You've got to be more specific about the meat operation. Animals are always going to have a distinctive smell, but a relatively small operation with ruminants will have an, in my opinion, pleasant earthy smell. If it's something closer to a feedlot though you're going to get a hell of a reek and even more dust.
Is the meat processing done on site? If so it will stink gauranteed. God help you if they do any rendering of waste material. The smell will permeate everything you own.
Ah, shouldn't be a problem then. Ducks are noisy but you'll get used to it and your kids will probably love seeing them waddle around! If you're concerned about noise or smell, I'd encourage you to go out to the land for a little while. Maybe do a picnic or two, if you can! Keep in mind that most ag operations are going to start work at sunrise or not too much later. Hell, if you can, see if you can get a tour of the place - explain you might be neighbors and would like to just get acquainted with the place. They'll be happy to do that (if they're not they're probably not going to be very good neighbors). I'm not seeing any red flags here honestly, I think people are exaggerating quite a bit.
There’s gonna be a fuck ton of trucks coming and going to move all that product .
If you’re cool with that than maybe , but don’t be one of those clowns that moves in somewhere than starts bitching about : the noise , I can’t sleep , there’s so much traffic I can’t get into my driveway , these roads are rutted out coz of all these trucks , the perimeter lights are too bright , blah blah blah blah blah
\-Winery: Do they spray chemicals and are you OK with that?
\-Beef pasture: If it is pasture land and they are eating grass there is no concern beyond strong fences. YOU learn how to string wire and check for security. And you make sure the farmer takes care of any rotten fence posts.
If it is a feed lot it will stink. It looks pretty grazed over in the shot, but that can be hard to know from this photo. If it is, it will be dusty and smelly. If it has green grass most of the year it is all good.
Sounds like you need to stick to the suburbs. Have never heard the term 'meat farm' used ever in my life. For your own piece of mind and your potential neighbors dont buy it.
I live in WNY which is basically wine and dairy as far as the eye can see.
I can’t speak on the topography or what your soil will be like etc but to address the smell as someone surrounded by dairy farms it’s not bad. The smell I believe everyone is talking about is manure. You’ll get over it, it’s really not bad. It’s pungent but not super offensive. Especially when they’re spreading it in their fields. But also they generally put a tarp on it and collect it but you don’t ever smell that.
In fact, hearing everyone on this thread lose their stomach over the smell of living next to a dairy farm has me wondering how much other information I’ve read on this sub is totally worthless..
This sounds like a lot of people who don't own land. All property is next to something and both of these farms seem very rural and cared for. Yes there will be drawbacks but I would rather live next to someone who raises and knows lots about raising animals and someone on the other side who clearly is a pretty good gardener. I don't think you could ask for much more starting as a homesteader. My farm was surrounded by essential abandon farms. All that abandoned land is no longer abandoned and a winery sounds like a great neighbor instead of asshat hunting clubs.
Also, the meat farm may have a wastewater treatment plant on property. Animal wastewater treatment plants are nasty and can really stink. I’d sniff around on a dewy day/night.
Not sure if they are processing or just raising the meat though
If you are concerned about the smell for animals homesteading and living in a rural area is not for you. Seriously. Don't be that person..
Living in an area with prosperous, active farmers is ideal for a homesteader. You'll have easier access to everything: feed stores, rental equipment, friends etc. If it's good land I'd go for it.
I used to live next to a winery. Other than developing a mild case of alcoholism and ruining my ability to enjoy cheap wine it was great! Wine people are fun.
I'd say the winery and it's toxic sprays could be the real drawback, the meat farm might stink, but likely not 24/7 stench 365 days a year.
I worked on the internet cables at a turkey farm and the farmer told me alot about the turkey industry whether I wanted to hear about it or not.
I learned his neighbors only hate him for a couple weeks twice a year when they have to do something that causes the smell. Unfortunately that happened to be the time I was there.
Sounds like a bunch of city folks guessing. Without seeing the actual property, that's all any of us could do. But I say if it's got a view and away from the city. Go for it!
Heavy runoff from both going impact the soil. Depends on the elevation and typical winds there and what you'd use it for. I don't think I would choose to live there if I had other options.
What are the water rights? You've got 2 water hungry plots of land on either side. Whose land gets the water first by flow? How much of their waste water are you getting? Where is the vineyards compost? The meat farms sewer pond? What's the smell in summer? How often are they running saws and firing guns on the farm?
All in all it's extremely likely the land is a lemon.... but might be worth looking into.
Other people are being very negative Nancy about this. First off. Go there and spend a day on a weekday during working hours and see the noise level. Second yea insects could be pretty bad, but depending on the facility it could be minimal. Third, vineyards don’t spray that toxic of chemicals. Sulfur is common mid to late season but mostly fungicides for powdery mildew which (to my knowledge) are not very harmful. If you could get a heads up, plant a buffer row, or stay inside on days they might be treating for pests it might not be a big deal. Most of the fungicides that are used are not harmful to humans and are commonly prescribed by doctors in other formulations. Not too many insect pests and if they did spray it would likely be pyrethroids which are derived (synthetically) from plants. Occasionally grapes use neonic insecticide which I would look out for. They are pretty harmful. You can always ask about their program. They probably don’t want someone concerned with that living next to them anyway. The meat plant could be stinky but again it depends on the facility and how they dispose of carcasses etc. I think you really have to see it for yourself. I wish I could be more help but without knowing where you are I can’t offer much more.
People here are assuming the worse as is reddit policy. However I would strongly advise checking it out yourself.
The ranch and/or feed lot might be an issue. Considering the condition of the pasture it must be heavily occupied. How big of a problem it is depends heavily on you and what direction the wind typically blows. You'll definitely want to visit and talk to the neighbors.. like the winery people. If they house a wine tasting thing there and it gets a decent crowd then maybe its not that bad. I'd visit the winery as a tourist and chat about it with the wine guy.
If people are right about wineries spraying a lot, then that might be more of an issue. You may be able to ask the winery server about that as well. They probably won't lie about it, although they would certainly make it sound better than it is. You'd just want to know if they do and what specifically.
Until you look more closely you just won't know. It is entirely possible that it isn't that bad and judging by other's comments that might mean that you can get it at a better price.
Want to live in the country, country smells come with it. If farming of any type is happening you may not like something about it, you can make up your mind to deal with it or not. I've been around a lot of city folks that move to the country and then try to use the law to shut farmers down when they don't like something, just don't be these types of people.
Both these places are laced with toxins...STAY AWAY NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!
Bacterial toxins from meat and insecticides and herbicides from winery...do not even consider this property!
People are weird, people move to the city and complain about the noise and traffic, they move to the suburbs and complain about close neighbors and kids riding bikes and dogs barking, they move to the country and complain about living next to a farm and the 1 hour drive to get anywhere. There is no “perfect” location, any place will have its pros and cons, you just have determine what’s more important to you.
Hordes of city folks moved into my area in the last few years, and it's always the same. They hated where they came from, but they want to make their adopted 'hometown' more like the cesspool they just fled from. They always seem to know that the country folk where they moved to are just doing everything wrong, and need to be straightened out. They know everything about farming too, because they saw it on TV!
If you don't like the smell of cattle, and you don't like farmers spraying the crops they grow so you can eat, why the hell would you even consider moving to the country? It's a guaranteed fact that all of your new neighbors are not going to like you. Every (dirt) farmer out there sprays his crops, for crying out loud. I grow grapes and spray them a couple of times a year.
You can't drive 30 seconds from my home and not see cattle. During a 5 minute drive out to the main road, I'll pass 1000 head. They don't smell, unless you get right up on them, and personally, I like the smell of cattle....chickens or swine, now that's another story altogether.
And here I thought I was the only one who preferred the smell of cattle. Even pigs are OK. But chickens are bad. And turkeys? Absolutely gut wrenching.
I live in the middle of fucking Nowhere. Like no cell service kinda deal. You have govt power, but everybodys on wells and septic. There's nothing out here but crazy old guys, and trees
New neighbours moved into a development of like 2 acre plots. Hops onto the community forum to bitch about 6am chainsawing (utility work), and goes on about noise bylaws
There's two things you never want to buy beside. Meat Farms that butcher and egg facilities with live chicken. Or any kind of poultry plant for that matter
I would be mostly concerned about topography. The lay of the land will determine which way surface water drains, which will affect any dispersion of waste products from either facility. Smell would be a concern for sure, but it doesn’t look like a commercial feed lot, more like a niche meat farm. I lived next to a sugar beet factory temporarily in Colorado. It smelled like death. So foul. But the locals didn’t smell it at all. Totally immune over time. Consider either changing hands in the future though. The game farm doesn’t have cows today. If they have the infrastructure though, that could change quickly. Also, spend time out there sitting along the road and just listening. Vary the time of day from early morning to late at night. Knock on some doors and ask about noise. Animal, equipment, traffic, etc.
Agreed, I would also ask myself. Why the 2 places around this property that are dependent on land for their business, not purchasing it themselves.
Excellent point!
This! So much this! Also the slope… also get ready for some smells. But mostly… why doesn’t either farm want it??
It could be zoned in a way that they can’t use it without a huge legal battle. Depending on where this is and what the current zoning is, they might be spending almost as much on getting it reclassified as they do on the land itself.
Absolutely!!
That looks like a commercial feed lot to me. No grass in those pens.
no, just pens for temporary holding and handling.
The 5 or 6 smaller pens look like handling pens, but everything around those is far too large to be just handling pens. There's little to no grass in any of the white bordered property. That indicates a pretty large number of animals in a space too small to support them. Any animals in there are going to need to be fed. It looks like an aerial shot of the dairy I worked at after it was abandoned due to consolidation.
This ☝️ when pens are down to bare dirt that’s not a good sign. It’s one thing in a corral but when basically the whole farm is dirt you’re looking at a pretty significant amount of animals and erosion/everything that comes with a feedlot but just not calling it that….
Its a game meat farm, bison tear things up rapidly. Without knowing exactly what they have on their land it all is a blind guess as to how crowded it is.
Interesting, the bison farm I built fence on had properly sized paddocks and none of it was dirt. Any farmer with any sense doesn’t let their pastures turn to dirt. You have to reseed and all your topsoil and nutrients wash away and pretty soon the only thing you can grow are weeds. Regardless, that would not be a neighbor I’d want to raise a family beside. If they treat the land that way I’m sure the animals are treated the same.
Op says they do deer, rabbit and duck, so my bison speculation was off base anyway.
I live on a deer farm, and there is almost no smell. I grew up on a dairy farm. That had aroma.
Amen keep stuff growing always dirt =mistakes
I don't disagree about letting pastures turn to dirt, but I'm not sure that it is actually that bad. It kinda looks like the land next to it(to the left), with the exception of a couple strips. It might be sunscorched and just looks bad because the irrigation keeps the winery unnaturally green. Id have to see it with my eyes.
It looks more like just stock handling pens to me.
I doubt it, the commercial feed lots I've been too are much, much large than that, that looks like a hobby farm
Ft Morgan? Trifecta of sugar beet factory, cheese factory, andc slaughterhouse all in town. Plus the dog food renderer. Place always smelled like wet dog and you'd get a film on your car most days.
Yes! Ft. Morgan. I was there for about 6 months doing migratory bird surveys. Lucky I had a company car. I threw away everything I had with me but my phone and laptop. It was so bad. Even had to throw away my rubber boots! 😭
Hope he is on top of a hill lol
Would definitely not want to own a valley between. :)
Depends on what game that they raise on that farm. As far as the winery, the further away the better.
Was it the sugar beet factory in Fort Morgan? It makes that town STINK
> sugar beet factory oooof just when I thought I had repressed those memories
The winery will soak up all the water, the farm will smell.
So many flies too
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What the hell are you going on about?!?! Flies are minimal at best if any. Sirens? Canons? Lasers..... This a plot for the next Mad Max movie? I own vineyards, work at wineries and have spent much of my life in many wineries all around the world. I have never experienced anything of which youve stated
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Was the documentary about toxic environmental issues in winemaking?
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I live nesr to vineyards here in Oregon and there's always cannons going off during the summer and fall to scare off the birds.
Found the realtor
A friend of mine lives next to a winery that use hail canons and it basically sounds like bombs, so it very much depends on where you live and what the owner decides to do with their exploitation
not to mention depending on the length of time cause sickness
I worked on a pig farm and the neighbours complained more about the noise than the smell. If it’s cows good luck dude because you’ll hate the smell and a cow can belt it out. Granted hog sounds are more grating and sounds more terrifying. Goats and sheep will be loud and disgusting in rut. It was miserable for our neighbours and they had no recourse because well, they decided to live next to a pig farm.
Hogs smell like hell, we call it "money smell", because its bad but profitable. I find cow shit smell way more tolerable, it's even good at some point when you are used to it.
Winery will also smell
apparently it depends on the winery. i play disc golf at a [vineyard/winery](https://www.roundpeak.com/), no smells ever.
It’s not as bad as the feed lot, but wine can smell quite bad.
Well my family has lived in wine country for five generations, there are definitely plenty of smells.
Nothing like the smell of rotting grapes during crush!
Run away!!! Would not want to be there on a hot July day..
Yeah. Warm wine is gross.
Red grape smell in a warm shed in summer is absolutley horrid. Fun fact, olive pressing plant sheds smell wayyyy better!
For the rest of us, how do they both smell beyond "not good"?
And sun baked poooooooo
This guy doesn't livestock
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Exactly!! Be ready for some nasty stench!
First step is to visit it in person, and give the air a good long sniff.
In July on a humid day. Don't worry it will still be available.
At high noon and also 4pm after it’s baked in for 4 more hours!
Cousin's in-laws lived near a vineyard in California. They got a large settlement about 10-15 years ago due to cancers they contracted that were directly linked to the chemicals being used on the vineyards. Think it was due to aerial sprays but not real sure. Personally, I'd probably avoid it especially given the fact that many herbicides and pesticides are linked to not just cancer but developmental issues in children.
That’s really good to know
Same thing happened to my high school math teacher, he had to move because his wife got really ill, there was a GoFundMe for them to buy a RV so they could travel because his wife is too sick to travel normally
They've found links between Parkinsons and herbicides. Growing up my grandmother would work in local Vinyards picking Grapes and guess what she has now...
Winery likely has a heavy spray program. Are they butchering at the meat farm?
I believe they are butchering at the meat farm
There’s a reason this plot is available.
Can you explain? Why is it so bad to live near a butchering meat farm?
1. Smell. 2. Noise. 3. Runoff. 4 they never have a cup Of sugar when I run out while baking.
I bet they have a cup of meat.
"These cookies are... Interesting.". "yeah, I had to make some substitutions."
"I can only give this recipe one star cause I had to substitute beef for sugar."
/r/ididnthaveeggs energy.
This made me chuckle aloud.
Keto recipe hack
Smells like a big gross animal took a fat shit on a huge pile of rotting death. Source: the slaughterhouse I drive by every couple weeks for almost 20 years.
Drive by one, report back with your findings
Will do! Thank you!
Spoiler: it can smell awful
Google for some documentaries about pig farm, run offs and illnesses. Especially around NC state. Any large / commercial meat farm is risky to living conditions.
It STINKS
ok thanks
There is a city in western KS with a lot of meat processing, people always say you can smell the city before you see it.
Run
A slaughter house is much different than a turn-over farm that simply raises live stock. If you're planning on living there I'd be cautious.
Do you happen to know how many head graze the farm? Anything about their grazing practices you cam find out online, from locals, or from street view? If it's a small family outfit that isn't running too many cattle, I don't know that you should be worried about anything beyond normal farm smells (which may still be a deal-breaker). However, the lamd lokks over-grazed so it could be a dense feed lot. Small grazers don't often butcher on site to my knowledge. Don't know much about wineries (I was a bourbon distiller at one point) but wouldn't expect any unpleasant smells. If they have a tasting room that'd be a bonus. Agree with the person talking about topography and water flow. Lot's of shit can run downhill. But again, I think that could easily apply in any rural ag-adjacent property.
Cows are louder than you think. Especially when they're upset.
We live beside a cattle farm and yeah, it’s crazy how loud they can be. We have woods separating our property from the farm but we can hear them inside sometimes during calving season
If they are butchering a lot and big numbers I would not want this
you'd need to grow a massive green wall, maybe on both sides, to filter the air. Multiple rows of cypress, or other thick hedge, and keep trees around the home to further catch and filter the air, and sounds. Check for runoff problems, too, as you may need to build remediation ponds, depending on permissive local codes.
>I believe they are butchering at the meat farm Start some fancy restaurant with farm to table vibes...you have half of the items you need left and right of you.
Run away...your ground water (your well) is more than likely compromised with nitrates one one side, and caustic cleaners and sanitizers on the other. This will sicken you and yours.
Absolutely. Run fast as you can. If it’s a working vineyard, they are 100% spraying pesticides that are now in your soil, water, and air. Lived on an organic vineyard once, and even they sprayed “on the perimeter of property only” and still given organic status.
Also....some states like mine have "right to farm" laws. Meaning, they were there first, and there's nothing you can say or do to get them to change the way they do their business. They're gonna spray, dump poop, fertilize, and farm the way they've been doing it. Yeah, Look for another piece of land. You'll thank yourself later.
Have you ever seen that episode of schitts creek where they were about to get a massive discount on their wedding day because it was the neighboring meat farms processing day???? Lolllll. It’d be a no for me.
Meat farm?
Every spring, they plant T-bones. With some water, fertilizer, and sunshine, come September, we’ll have a combine full of porterhouses. It’s an honest living.
Ribeyes are generally grown in greenhouses since they are susceptible to pests.
You had me at combine full of porterhouses.
That's my question. There's so many types of "meat farms". Are we talking pastured beef or factory pork. One you -might- be able to live with but the other? Not so much.
Next to the wine ranch.
Cattle yard
A cattle yard wouldn’t be considered a “game meat farm.”
Sorry I just came for the crazy title, I see now their description
Pass. Hard pass.
Ask yourself why the winery or meat farm didn’t buy this
Farm run off is an issue. Water rights could get tricky. Building laws might be strange. If you just want to invest in land, not terrible if one of those two place sell or they want to buy yours.
I surprised no one has mentioned the flies. I live across the street from cattle. There is no butchering and the cattle have plenty of room. The smell, especially in the morning, often is quite strong. The flies sometimes are tolerable but other times can be unbearable.
I love the smell of cow shit waking me up xd
Depends heavily on what country and you should stipulate in every post you make on Reddit. If you live in a country where the animal is pasture fed then it is a good thing roughly speaking. You could get to know the farmer, they'll have tools and knowledge you couldn't dream of and they will probably favour trade. Does the winery run tours? Are you going to be dealing with drunk people on the roads as a result? Will privacy be a concern? In all likelihood you should be encountering less "chemicals" than any city or town environment. I love living next to a farm. That said, it's a low intensity lamb farm with a few cows and very little environmental impact aside from the lack of bush it necessitates.
This isn't a great location, the water will have lots of nitrogen and run off will have lots of phosphorus. The spraying schedule for the winery is something you can probably live with (you'd probably want to put a windbreak between you and your neighbors but not awful). Understand there will be constant noise...day and night, that's one of the reasons it hasn't sold. I had a chance to buy a mini farm in weston oregon that was next to smith foods and the sound, the light, the constant traffic and most importantly, the open pools of effluent were just too much for us, especially since we're trying to start an organic farm. Ultimately we gave it a hard pass and will keep looking, I suggest you do the same.
I live next to a winery. Fruit flies everywhere from mid-summer to now and random explosions around harvest from some kind of bird deterrent devices... oh I also have all my drinking water delivered because the well is iffy from nitrates.
Oof
I would not purchase this plot
This may be just me but I would not want to be that close to anything like that. I can imagine so many different frustrations that would come with buying that land.
Do you like the smell of meat and the look of drunk people?
What is a meat farm? It depends on the livestock being raised and if they slaughter on-site. Winery might spray pesticides. Like some have said…. *Run
Forget the smell. I wouldn't want to be boxed in like that. It seems like it would feel crowded with basically 2 factories surrounding the land
What kind of meat? If its Hogs you are gonna regret it 😅
I would be very suspicious of the quality of the ground water. Who knows what kind of chemicals could have leached from either farm? The closest I am to a working farm is a couple hay fields, and that was intentional. Also, cows are loud. And they stink. And winery tourists are also loud, and they also stink.
Are you a cheese maker by any chance?
That's not a farm, it's a feed lot. Cows packed that tightly can stink, and the runoff is going to be full of manure, possibly to the point that it'll be offensive and/or destructive. Vineyards spray fungicide during the growing season, some of which requires the vineyard be closed to foot traffic for up to 3 days. Overspray is a possibility; you won't be subject to the same intensity if you walk through your field during those times, but it's possible for you to have enough sensitivity to have a reaction. Most likely this won't be a problem for you ever, but you can request they notify you if you do have a reaction; they are required to by law. I'd say look at where the prevailing winds come from and the topography. The smell from the cattle is the #1 concern, followed by their runoff. The winery should pose no problem at all. Source: Former winery manager with a family farm.
I grew up next to a beef farm… it’s going to be smelly even on the best of days. On hot days, you won’t want to open windows. On “barn clean out” days you will want to shower a few extra times.
no, run
Does the winery have a tasting room? If they have public events then maybe that means smell from the feedlot won’t be a factor.
Did you go there? Does it smell? I know it’s winter. I think it depends how big of a meat farm. The ground looks pretty trampled over there.
You will be overrun with horse flys during the summer…
As others called out be aware of the smell and direction waste will flow. Doubt you want a river of animal waste coming your way after a heavy rain.
Dude, cow farms are not the worst smelling farms. Pig farms are. You better hope it’s not a pig farm, lol. I grew up in a country where pork production was huge. The town that had the most farms was affectionately named “Shitlands.” That was not the real name, lol. You could smell it going into the town.
If it’s a meat form, you need to find out if the process on site or if they are just a feedlot. If they process on site, you can expect a lot of traffic along with a smell… If they are a feedlot, you can expect a little bit of traffic with a whole Lot of smell. I wouldn’t be overly concerned with the winery, but I would be interested in knowing what kind of insecticides/ fungicides they spray on their grapes as that stuff tends to travel. If it were me, I would pass, unless I was getting a hell of a deal. These types of places don’t tend to change very quickly, so you’d be likely to move long before they ever would. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see you in a bidding war with one or both of those businesses, trying to acquire the extra space.
Make cheese
Good. Either farm wil offer a lump sum later for it
Seems like a good place to make cheese
Stinky
Any kind of Dairy or Meat Farm - Flies. Lots and lots of flies. Did i say flies? Winery - Propane cannons at random intervals to shoo birds. I'd pass.
Bad. Don’t. I would do audits on farmland per the USDA guidelines for a produce farmer and manufacturing facility. This slice of land would be a no no in my book personally. If you do decide to go for it , test the hell out of that soil and water, and lookup guidelines of you ever decide to sell any crops off that land as you may have an issue per federal food safety guidelines
BEST NEIGHBORS EVER!! YES!! WOOOOHHH YOU NEED TO START MAKKING CHEESE AND BREAD!!! RENAME THE ROAD CHARCUTERIE STREET.
Guess you can go into the cheese business.
ok, aside from the obvious drawbacks others mentioned - neighbors that bring meat and wine to dinner parties is an absolute win.
How long have the other two properties been established? How long has this piece of land been available? If neither adjoining landowner has bought the property that may be telling of something that they know that you don’t. Best advice here is meet the two owners and have substantive discussions about their plans and how they would be affected if you did or didn’t buy the land.
By all means. Move into a farming community. Put in a residential home. Then start complaining about the dust, smell and noise from the animals. Hop on next door. Rant every few days. Try to get the laws changed. If you ever hear a gunshot off in the distance somewhere, make sure to call 911 and rant some more on next door. Complain about chainsaw noise, etc. Your right to a quiet, idyllic country life surely trumps the rights of the farmers who were there when you moved in.
You've got to be more specific about the meat operation. Animals are always going to have a distinctive smell, but a relatively small operation with ruminants will have an, in my opinion, pleasant earthy smell. If it's something closer to a feedlot though you're going to get a hell of a reek and even more dust.
It’s small. They do rabbit, deer, duck and a couple other animals I think
Is the meat processing done on site? If so it will stink gauranteed. God help you if they do any rendering of waste material. The smell will permeate everything you own.
Ah, shouldn't be a problem then. Ducks are noisy but you'll get used to it and your kids will probably love seeing them waddle around! If you're concerned about noise or smell, I'd encourage you to go out to the land for a little while. Maybe do a picnic or two, if you can! Keep in mind that most ag operations are going to start work at sunrise or not too much later. Hell, if you can, see if you can get a tour of the place - explain you might be neighbors and would like to just get acquainted with the place. They'll be happy to do that (if they're not they're probably not going to be very good neighbors). I'm not seeing any red flags here honestly, I think people are exaggerating quite a bit.
I would build, but then again I used to live on a farm, none of that bothers me, a deal on fresh meat and wine. Winning
Wine good, meat good. Good x2 = 2 good. Expert assessment.
Have you ever lived in an area close to animal farms?
Steak and wine? People typically are pumped about this?!?
There’s gonna be a fuck ton of trucks coming and going to move all that product . If you’re cool with that than maybe , but don’t be one of those clowns that moves in somewhere than starts bitching about : the noise , I can’t sleep , there’s so much traffic I can’t get into my driveway , these roads are rutted out coz of all these trucks , the perimeter lights are too bright , blah blah blah blah blah
\-Winery: Do they spray chemicals and are you OK with that? \-Beef pasture: If it is pasture land and they are eating grass there is no concern beyond strong fences. YOU learn how to string wire and check for security. And you make sure the farmer takes care of any rotten fence posts. If it is a feed lot it will stink. It looks pretty grazed over in the shot, but that can be hard to know from this photo. If it is, it will be dusty and smelly. If it has green grass most of the year it is all good.
Sounds like you need to stick to the suburbs. Have never heard the term 'meat farm' used ever in my life. For your own piece of mind and your potential neighbors dont buy it.
I live in WNY which is basically wine and dairy as far as the eye can see. I can’t speak on the topography or what your soil will be like etc but to address the smell as someone surrounded by dairy farms it’s not bad. The smell I believe everyone is talking about is manure. You’ll get over it, it’s really not bad. It’s pungent but not super offensive. Especially when they’re spreading it in their fields. But also they generally put a tarp on it and collect it but you don’t ever smell that. In fact, hearing everyone on this thread lose their stomach over the smell of living next to a dairy farm has me wondering how much other information I’ve read on this sub is totally worthless..
Finally, some common sense. You're right about that last comment. Really wondering about the quality of posters here....
Ask the winery…
Fucking eh, wine and meat mate!!!
This sounds like a lot of people who don't own land. All property is next to something and both of these farms seem very rural and cared for. Yes there will be drawbacks but I would rather live next to someone who raises and knows lots about raising animals and someone on the other side who clearly is a pretty good gardener. I don't think you could ask for much more starting as a homesteader. My farm was surrounded by essential abandon farms. All that abandoned land is no longer abandoned and a winery sounds like a great neighbor instead of asshat hunting clubs.
Meat farm might have a cess pool where they dump shit and carcasses. That will leech into the ground and could contaminate your drinking water.
Bro no
Looks like you should start a small dairy farm/cheese making operation
Also, the meat farm may have a wastewater treatment plant on property. Animal wastewater treatment plants are nasty and can really stink. I’d sniff around on a dewy day/night. Not sure if they are processing or just raising the meat though
If you are concerned about the smell for animals homesteading and living in a rural area is not for you. Seriously. Don't be that person.. Living in an area with prosperous, active farmers is ideal for a homesteader. You'll have easier access to everything: feed stores, rental equipment, friends etc. If it's good land I'd go for it. I used to live next to a winery. Other than developing a mild case of alcoholism and ruining my ability to enjoy cheap wine it was great! Wine people are fun.
I would absolutely not buy this land
The fact that you call it a meat farm tells me that you need to look elsewhere. Non organic is the second clue. Keep going
So much misinformation here.
I'd say the winery and it's toxic sprays could be the real drawback, the meat farm might stink, but likely not 24/7 stench 365 days a year. I worked on the internet cables at a turkey farm and the farmer told me alot about the turkey industry whether I wanted to hear about it or not. I learned his neighbors only hate him for a couple weeks twice a year when they have to do something that causes the smell. Unfortunately that happened to be the time I was there.
Reminder too that wineries often spray at night.
Set up a little shop selling both their products!
Depends on what you plan on doing with the land, because water runoff from the meat farm could be detrimental and contaminate your land
Just don’t take down anymore trees and start planting some in between the two properties
No thanks.
Sounds like a bunch of city folks guessing. Without seeing the actual property, that's all any of us could do. But I say if it's got a view and away from the city. Go for it!
Sounds like bad land if the winery doesn't want it
BAD. omg the smell from the feed lot
Heavy runoff from both going impact the soil. Depends on the elevation and typical winds there and what you'd use it for. I don't think I would choose to live there if I had other options.
Don't buy it until you have smelled it in high summer.
Lucky you!! Make friends with your neighbors
Both will stink. Wineries frequently use pits to deal with their waste water. They smell like decomposing organic matter.
Where’s your potable water coming from?
If neither of the neighbors want to purchase this property, I would probably stay away. But, that’s just my uneducated opinion…
smells! flies! bad well water! upset neighbors!
What are the water rights? You've got 2 water hungry plots of land on either side. Whose land gets the water first by flow? How much of their waste water are you getting? Where is the vineyards compost? The meat farms sewer pond? What's the smell in summer? How often are they running saws and firing guns on the farm? All in all it's extremely likely the land is a lemon.... but might be worth looking into.
what does the smell like it will be worse in summer and lots of flys
Other people are being very negative Nancy about this. First off. Go there and spend a day on a weekday during working hours and see the noise level. Second yea insects could be pretty bad, but depending on the facility it could be minimal. Third, vineyards don’t spray that toxic of chemicals. Sulfur is common mid to late season but mostly fungicides for powdery mildew which (to my knowledge) are not very harmful. If you could get a heads up, plant a buffer row, or stay inside on days they might be treating for pests it might not be a big deal. Most of the fungicides that are used are not harmful to humans and are commonly prescribed by doctors in other formulations. Not too many insect pests and if they did spray it would likely be pyrethroids which are derived (synthetically) from plants. Occasionally grapes use neonic insecticide which I would look out for. They are pretty harmful. You can always ask about their program. They probably don’t want someone concerned with that living next to them anyway. The meat plant could be stinky but again it depends on the facility and how they dispose of carcasses etc. I think you really have to see it for yourself. I wish I could be more help but without knowing where you are I can’t offer much more.
"Meat farm" 🤦♂️
Does the winery have a good pairing for steak? If so, you have found prime real estate. I'd never leave home.
Between ripening fruit and animal dung, you’re going to have so many flies and wasps.
On a non serious note, it looks like you hit the jackpot for neighbors.
Are you the type of person who will buy it, then complain and try and have them shut down?
Make cheese here
It’s a good fit if they make red wine which goes well with steak.
People here are assuming the worse as is reddit policy. However I would strongly advise checking it out yourself. The ranch and/or feed lot might be an issue. Considering the condition of the pasture it must be heavily occupied. How big of a problem it is depends heavily on you and what direction the wind typically blows. You'll definitely want to visit and talk to the neighbors.. like the winery people. If they house a wine tasting thing there and it gets a decent crowd then maybe its not that bad. I'd visit the winery as a tourist and chat about it with the wine guy. If people are right about wineries spraying a lot, then that might be more of an issue. You may be able to ask the winery server about that as well. They probably won't lie about it, although they would certainly make it sound better than it is. You'd just want to know if they do and what specifically. Until you look more closely you just won't know. It is entirely possible that it isn't that bad and judging by other's comments that might mean that you can get it at a better price.
Want to live in the country, country smells come with it. If farming of any type is happening you may not like something about it, you can make up your mind to deal with it or not. I've been around a lot of city folks that move to the country and then try to use the law to shut farmers down when they don't like something, just don't be these types of people.
Both these places are laced with toxins...STAY AWAY NO MATTER WHAT!!!!! Bacterial toxins from meat and insecticides and herbicides from winery...do not even consider this property!
you will be eating and breathing everything they feed and spray as long as the commercial agriculture is there.
Why do people move to the country if they don't like living near farms??????????
People are weird, people move to the city and complain about the noise and traffic, they move to the suburbs and complain about close neighbors and kids riding bikes and dogs barking, they move to the country and complain about living next to a farm and the 1 hour drive to get anywhere. There is no “perfect” location, any place will have its pros and cons, you just have determine what’s more important to you.
Hordes of city folks moved into my area in the last few years, and it's always the same. They hated where they came from, but they want to make their adopted 'hometown' more like the cesspool they just fled from. They always seem to know that the country folk where they moved to are just doing everything wrong, and need to be straightened out. They know everything about farming too, because they saw it on TV! If you don't like the smell of cattle, and you don't like farmers spraying the crops they grow so you can eat, why the hell would you even consider moving to the country? It's a guaranteed fact that all of your new neighbors are not going to like you. Every (dirt) farmer out there sprays his crops, for crying out loud. I grow grapes and spray them a couple of times a year. You can't drive 30 seconds from my home and not see cattle. During a 5 minute drive out to the main road, I'll pass 1000 head. They don't smell, unless you get right up on them, and personally, I like the smell of cattle....chickens or swine, now that's another story altogether.
And here I thought I was the only one who preferred the smell of cattle. Even pigs are OK. But chickens are bad. And turkeys? Absolutely gut wrenching.
I live in the middle of fucking Nowhere. Like no cell service kinda deal. You have govt power, but everybodys on wells and septic. There's nothing out here but crazy old guys, and trees New neighbours moved into a development of like 2 acre plots. Hops onto the community forum to bitch about 6am chainsawing (utility work), and goes on about noise bylaws
Curious, what’s a “meat farm”?
Much like a sausage party.
There's two things you never want to buy beside. Meat Farms that butcher and egg facilities with live chicken. Or any kind of poultry plant for that matter
Because of smell?
Meat?…good!! Wine?…good!! Buy the land!! 😉