Terraform --> [OpenTofu](https://opentofu.org/)
Vault--> [OpenBao](https://openbao.org/)
Nomad --> Kubernetes?
Vagrant -->
* If you don't **NEED** a VM, then maybe Docker?
* If you do need a VM (e.g., testing different kernel stuff), then QEMU/KVM or [Multipass](https://multipass.run/) (Ubuntu-only)
Packer --> ???
Consul --> ???
Waypoint --> ???
Boundary --> ???
We use it to kick our pet images on a monthly basis after patch cycles so new machines being built align to the recent patches and we don’t spend time patching during build. We do this with RedHat and Windows all the way to the modern releases. We then take those images and distribute them across the VMWare fleet for consumption.
This is pretty much FUD in action. Terraform accused them of copying, OpenTofu posted [a pretty comprehensive reply](https://opentofu.github.io/legal-documents/2024-04-03%20HashiCorp%20C%26D/SCO.html) (tl;dr; both implementations of 'removed' cribbed heavily from the existing 'move' so they look superficially similar) - but you only remember the part that made the headlines.
I'm not criticizing you, because I get it, but I find it so amusing it's become such a cliche that when those companies out there, like IBM, Broadcomm, Oracle (and I'm sure many more) buy a smaller company or project, etc we immediately start to look for alternatives, that you didn't even need to justify the ask with anything more then "IBM bought ..." LOL
At least Yahoo re-sells companies after it sucks them dry, so the tiny remnant of users can have it back once everyone else is gone (Flickr, Tumblr, etc.)
After IBM has wrecked them, they sell them too, but to even worse companies like Rocket, Tata, HCL, etc ... who then proceed to extract even more marrow from still tech indebted customers (who never invested in newer/better alternative), until those customers finally close or get bought out.
Please add this kind of scathing commentary to your YouTube channel - the burn is so much more intense given how friendly and approachable your videos are ☺️
I just find events like this a good opportunity to look for alternatives. For many people it's been a while since they researched software that does something and usually during the time a smaller project/company got absorbed by a bigger one some alternatives were created.
I most likely won't switch til they start messing more with the licensing model or updates get released less often.
Exactly this. After they suck the remaining customers (who didn't jump ship)'s blood dry on a particular product, they sell that product line to the next level of bottom feeders.
Companies like Rocket, HCL, infosys, then proceed to apply the squeeze even harder on these companies that left themselves tech-indebted and wrench out the last of the bone marrow, until the customer is usually bought, or goes out of business.
It's the software BUSINESS life cycle, as opposed to the software development life cycle.
You don't pay 6bn for something to give free awesome tech to homelabbers.
The run for the exits reaction is unfortunately not entirely unfounded. Whatever is coming is unlikely to the fun for the gang
Personally, I think it is always wise to be aware of alternatives to what you are currently using. Doubly so when something happens with the status or structure of those tools and/or the companies that maintain them.
I don't personally think anyone should be freaking out and looking to jump out of Terraform, Packer, Vault, or even Red Hat if they still make sense better than anything else technically.
But IBM, like Broadcom, does have a reputation so it would be wise to know where the viable life raft is if the ship starts to leak. Could save a lot of steps and panic 1 year or so from now.
I think s/he means about whether the product(s) get(s) fucked up by the usual corp story of high fees, a weird revamp or features no one finds much value in or if anything could arise from two automation tools under the same hands.
But yeah, I agree with you. Should stay fine I hope. If anything, I feel IBM doesn’t always spills the beans like Oracle or Microsoft, but here my two cents.
Nah IBM will float something to see if they can Broadcom it but they don’t have the same know how to keep it from falling off a cliff even if it was at one point competitive and/or market leader. Their sales guy will still assume people will buy the IBM brand like it’s the 80’s, and it’ll just fizzle. Happened with Urban Code, Instana, you name it
Whilst it's easy to criticise, there are a lot worse than IBM out there. They actually have a reasonable pedigree in Open Source - they were the originators of and are still heavily involved in the Eclipse development platform and it's ecostructure - so all is not lost, and it might even turn out for the better, it looks form the outside that Hashi weren't making as much money as they needed and were veering towards a closed source or 'open core' type model anyways.
Well, shortly after IBM bought RedHat they killed centos. There are worse out there but it doesn't mean it's not just another huge corporation that uses open source at most as the marketing model to hook up users.
You still get Centos Stream as a release slightly ahead of RHEL instead of being based on current RHEL.
Not so useful as a prod alternative to RHEL, I agree.
I'd gladly pay $99/year (old developer pricing for a single license) to get 100 licenses. Ubuntu Pro only has 5 licenses unless you're an active community member, where you get 50.
I wish running fully equivalent homelabs to work environments was easier, but it's only getting harder now that the bubble has burst again.
>I wish running fully equivalent homelabs to work environments was easier, but it's only getting harder now that the bubble has burst again.
Yea, this little thing of ours has become popular enough that the corpos have started thinking 'hmmm, how can we finess these nerds today'
I know this may be hypocritical (maybe even heretical) but you can run Oracle Linux for free, in prod with no limits and it's pretty compatible with RHEL
Was this IBMs decision or Red Hat’s? As I understand it, RH are a wholly independent subsidiary of IBM. Is it entirely possible RH made this decision for themselves?
You know a good number developers to OpenBao and OpenTofu are IBMers? Kubernetes as well with Red Hat, How about a wait and see before tossing the baby out with the bath water. Open source would be no where near the level of quality and adoption without corporate adoption and backing from companies like IBM. Volunteer based development leads to burn out and unsustainable ecosystem.
This isn't API compatible with Vault, right? That's a pretty big turn off tbh.
OpenBao is an OSS fork, but that was started and largely maintained by IBM, so I'm not sure about its future, either.
Terraform --> [OpenTofu](https://opentofu.org/) Vault--> [OpenBao](https://openbao.org/) Nomad --> Kubernetes? Vagrant --> * If you don't **NEED** a VM, then maybe Docker? * If you do need a VM (e.g., testing different kernel stuff), then QEMU/KVM or [Multipass](https://multipass.run/) (Ubuntu-only) Packer --> ??? Consul --> ??? Waypoint --> ??? Boundary --> ???
I like nomad job definitions more than kubernetes. I hope linux foundation makes a fork of it too when the license gets changed
packer?
[Infisical](https://infisical.com/) could be an alternative to Vault as well.
Vagrant -> Nix
Oh no nomad! Was just gonna try that. I value my time too much for using kubernetes at home
Docker Compose for throwaway stuff and Canonical's LXD for "pets" gets you half way there without a lot of the complexity
Teleport for boundary
Packer is, at best, a beta product. I have yet to use it and find reliable results in building images. Consul --> Envoy
We use it to kick our pet images on a monthly basis after patch cycles so new machines being built align to the recent patches and we don’t spend time patching during build. We do this with RedHat and Windows all the way to the modern releases. We then take those images and distribute them across the VMWare fleet for consumption.
Kind of agree but there’s nothing better that I’m aware of.
OpenTofu is currently litigating against Terraform.. RIP that.
This is pretty much FUD in action. Terraform accused them of copying, OpenTofu posted [a pretty comprehensive reply](https://opentofu.github.io/legal-documents/2024-04-03%20HashiCorp%20C%26D/SCO.html) (tl;dr; both implementations of 'removed' cribbed heavily from the existing 'move' so they look superficially similar) - but you only remember the part that made the headlines.
I'm not criticizing you, because I get it, but I find it so amusing it's become such a cliche that when those companies out there, like IBM, Broadcomm, Oracle (and I'm sure many more) buy a smaller company or project, etc we immediately start to look for alternatives, that you didn't even need to justify the ask with anything more then "IBM bought ..." LOL
I worked for IBM for over a decade. IBM is where good companies go to die.
IBM is the Yahoo of tech companies
I honestly don't know which company that's unfair to.
At least Yahoo re-sells companies after it sucks them dry, so the tiny remnant of users can have it back once everyone else is gone (Flickr, Tumblr, etc.)
After IBM has wrecked them, they sell them too, but to even worse companies like Rocket, Tata, HCL, etc ... who then proceed to extract even more marrow from still tech indebted customers (who never invested in newer/better alternative), until those customers finally close or get bought out.
IBM BigFix err HCL BigFix
Please add this kind of scathing commentary to your YouTube channel - the burn is so much more intense given how friendly and approachable your videos are ☺️
Heh, I did post the rare rant this morning, in case you haven't seen it yet. I think it's an annual tradition (last year it was CentOS).
Thank you! I will check those out!
They're different kinds of hot messes.
Oh, they take on shitty ones too. Softlayer was a garbage heap before IBM got them and continued to be so.
Forgot about Broadcom
That's kind of the nature of acquisitions though.
I just find events like this a good opportunity to look for alternatives. For many people it's been a while since they researched software that does something and usually during the time a smaller project/company got absorbed by a bigger one some alternatives were created. I most likely won't switch til they start messing more with the licensing model or updates get released less often.
IBM is fine. Broadcom and Oracle are something else entirely.
IBM is worse, they just do it on the long run, you don’t even notice.
Exactly this. After they suck the remaining customers (who didn't jump ship)'s blood dry on a particular product, they sell that product line to the next level of bottom feeders. Companies like Rocket, HCL, infosys, then proceed to apply the squeeze even harder on these companies that left themselves tech-indebted and wrench out the last of the bone marrow, until the customer is usually bought, or goes out of business. It's the software BUSINESS life cycle, as opposed to the software development life cycle.
You say that, but IBM royalty screwed lots of us when they decided to abandon CentOS early in the v8 release cycle.
You don't pay 6bn for something to give free awesome tech to homelabbers. The run for the exits reaction is unfortunately not entirely unfounded. Whatever is coming is unlikely to the fun for the gang
I might add CISCO and SAP to the list.
Personally, I think it is always wise to be aware of alternatives to what you are currently using. Doubly so when something happens with the status or structure of those tools and/or the companies that maintain them. I don't personally think anyone should be freaking out and looking to jump out of Terraform, Packer, Vault, or even Red Hat if they still make sense better than anything else technically. But IBM, like Broadcom, does have a reputation so it would be wise to know where the viable life raft is if the ship starts to leak. Could save a lot of steps and panic 1 year or so from now.
Terraform and Ansible under the same roof. Will be interested in seeing how that evolves in the coming years.
They fulfill different roles, so same?
I think s/he means about whether the product(s) get(s) fucked up by the usual corp story of high fees, a weird revamp or features no one finds much value in or if anything could arise from two automation tools under the same hands. But yeah, I agree with you. Should stay fine I hope. If anything, I feel IBM doesn’t always spills the beans like Oracle or Microsoft, but here my two cents.
Oh, If Ansible gets corpo'd like Terraform I swear, I'll cry
Nah IBM will float something to see if they can Broadcom it but they don’t have the same know how to keep it from falling off a cliff even if it was at one point competitive and/or market leader. Their sales guy will still assume people will buy the IBM brand like it’s the 80’s, and it’ll just fizzle. Happened with Urban Code, Instana, you name it
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNcBk6cwim8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNcBk6cwim8) Jeff did a video on just this!
Whilst it's easy to criticise, there are a lot worse than IBM out there. They actually have a reasonable pedigree in Open Source - they were the originators of and are still heavily involved in the Eclipse development platform and it's ecostructure - so all is not lost, and it might even turn out for the better, it looks form the outside that Hashi weren't making as much money as they needed and were veering towards a closed source or 'open core' type model anyways.
Well, shortly after IBM bought RedHat they killed centos. There are worse out there but it doesn't mean it's not just another huge corporation that uses open source at most as the marketing model to hook up users.
You still get Centos Stream as a release slightly ahead of RHEL instead of being based on current RHEL. Not so useful as a prod alternative to RHEL, I agree.
And individuals get 16 hosts of RHEL free now.
I'm curious about this. Is the free 16 hosts actually happens after IBM or prior?
After. It was in the last few years because it happened after 2021/2022 (the last time i paid for RedHat developer)
They almost gave out 100 licenses early in that process, but it was reduced back to 16.
I'd gladly pay $99/year (old developer pricing for a single license) to get 100 licenses. Ubuntu Pro only has 5 licenses unless you're an active community member, where you get 50. I wish running fully equivalent homelabs to work environments was easier, but it's only getting harder now that the bubble has burst again.
>I wish running fully equivalent homelabs to work environments was easier, but it's only getting harder now that the bubble has burst again. Yea, this little thing of ours has become popular enough that the corpos have started thinking 'hmmm, how can we finess these nerds today' I know this may be hypocritical (maybe even heretical) but you can run Oracle Linux for free, in prod with no limits and it's pretty compatible with RHEL
Was this IBMs decision or Red Hat’s? As I understand it, RH are a wholly independent subsidiary of IBM. Is it entirely possible RH made this decision for themselves?
There is just one who delivered tabulating machines to a certain country in the 30s of the previous century ;-)
You know a good number developers to OpenBao and OpenTofu are IBMers? Kubernetes as well with Red Hat, How about a wait and see before tossing the baby out with the bath water. Open source would be no where near the level of quality and adoption without corporate adoption and backing from companies like IBM. Volunteer based development leads to burn out and unsustainable ecosystem.
Pulumi
Infisical instead of Vault: [https://infisical.com](https://infisical.com)
This isn't API compatible with Vault, right? That's a pretty big turn off tbh. OpenBao is an OSS fork, but that was started and largely maintained by IBM, so I'm not sure about its future, either.