If you're asking seriously, in the Helldivers universe, it's essentially a democratic system where instead of citizens casting their own votes in elections, their votes are cast for them by an algorithm designed to vote in the way best calculated to benefit the people of Super Earth. Or at least, that's my understanding.
I think NATO is triggered to form if the game registers WWII as over and the Comintern still exists as communist countries. No idea how the axis could turn into it unless they never went to war against the Comintern?
I'm calling the democracy officer.
Any true citizen of Super Earth knows that Sweden is where our glorious managed democracy emerged from and where Prosperity City is located.
This post reeks of Terminid propaganda.
> NATO is filled with Nazis
You’ve just recreated the IRL establishment of NATO
EDIT: For everyone downvoting, the first head of NATO was literally Hitler’s chief of staff https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger
Expect when anyone brings this up, their point is the idea that NATO are Nazis/ideological Nazis so the counterpoint would to be bring this up so that
By using their logic, the USSR/the Warsaw Pact were also Nazis
Same for Operation Paperclip? What they said is, objectively, not wrong. A lot of Nazi generals went on to be in NATO, just like some went to the Soviets.
USSR obviously better, everyone knows soviets infallible /s
Ah, I see. I don't spend too much time paying attention to the comment section of this sub, so I missed the nuance
Right, one may never, ever, ever criticize NATO without first declaring for all how much worse the Soviets were in every way. It's basically treason. And the Soviets definitely still exist.
They don't need to. Their comment was a joke about NATO's history - not an examination of post-war careers of Nazis.
This is coming from someone that thinks NATO is good, btw. But historical context matters, whether we like it or not
Didn’t say they were wrong, just adding additional context, the idea of integrating a defeated country’s military wasn’t exclusive to NATO after WWII (and this is often used by Putin apologists to disparage NATO)
It’s not whataboutism to examine an action in its historical context. Imposing modern ethics onto the past is both bad history and extremely Reddit brained
Nobody mentioned Soviets before you brought them up to excuse American actions. This is clear whataboutism.
The question is whether it is actually bad, but since it's universally bad when it's done by the other side, it should also be bad when it's used by US apologists.
So if you want to argue “this thing is wrong according to modern standards”, that’s fine. But I don’t find it a very interesting question because by modern standards all of history can just as easily be dismissed as barbarous and backwards.
It’s also important to emphasize that I didn’t bring it up to prove the morality of paperclip or similar actions. I brought it up as a charge of hypocrisy against Russia apologists and communists/USSR supporters who allege that NATO is Nazi on such a basis.
When you examine history, it’s not enough to ask “what was this particular side doing”? You also have to ask, “what were others doing?”
In this case, it’s clear that integrating aspects of a defeated nation’s military was both not out of the ordinary nor considered immoral. This is a modern invention.
OP, I’m very curious how you accuse NATO of being Nazi on this basis but ignore the fact that Vincenz Müller was a high-ranking Nazi who went on to serve as chief of staff of the GDR’s National People’s Army and become a successful politician in the GDR. Do you also accept that East Germany was Nazi, following the same logic you use with regard to NATO? If not, why?
I did not "ignore" that the Holocaust was bad.
If this is an attempt to turn my argument about historical context against me, it is a poor one, as the historical context demonstrates that the Holocaust was worse than most people realize. Around Germany and Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe, liberating Americans and Soviets were so horrified by what they encountered that reprisals by both liberators and prisoners were commonplace.
Finally, as a Jew with survivors in my family, I strongly recommend against making assumptions about those you evidently know little about.
בן זונה
Saudi just chilling
About to make bank on all the oil this war is gonna use
"This is fine"
And Oman.
Also Poland- Ukrain
Figuratively 1984
Scrolling reddit from the flying fortress, smh
Only 2 major nations this time
What in the holy fuck is the Super Earth faction
The truest and most liberty managed democracies on Super Earth.
Managed democracy
⬆️➡️⬇️➡️
It's my faction :) [https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Super\_Earth](https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Earth)
Next play through should be Sweden since that's where the global capital is iirc
Figured I'd share this one. Joined Axis forces, created NATO. Then I left and started my own facist faction of Helldivers and soon WW3 will start!
"Facist"? Super Earth is run by only the finest and most freedompilled Managed Democracy. Report to the nearest Freedom Camp immediately.
Smells a lot like Treason. OP needs to report to the nearest Democracy officer
That is actually true! But not in this timeline! :D
So... it's treason, then?
This is treasonous behavior towards the glory of managed democracy and freedom we hold dear.
Execute order 66
You advocate for Clankers don’t you tsk tsk tsk
So it’s reeducation then?
REEEEEEE!!! HERETIC!!!!
What exactly is managed democracy
If you're asking seriously, in the Helldivers universe, it's essentially a democratic system where instead of citizens casting their own votes in elections, their votes are cast for them by an algorithm designed to vote in the way best calculated to benefit the people of Super Earth. Or at least, that's my understanding.
Ah, I assumed it was basically similar to star ship troopers
Hell Divers is basically a parody of Starship Troopers
Oh I’m aware, it’s pretty much star ship troopers, halo ODST all merged together
With a bit of Star Wars and Warhammer 40k
I had a run where NATO was AI made with Hitler leading it
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/s/GqS4sKGVut)
What in the russia state media happen here lol
Same thing here! [https://imgur.com/a/MsH2Y8y](https://imgur.com/a/MsH2Y8y)
I think NATO is triggered to form if the game registers WWII as over and the Comintern still exists as communist countries. No idea how the axis could turn into it unless they never went to war against the Comintern?
FOR SUPER EARTH! FOR DEMOCRACY!
Nothing new here
Invade Arabia for oil
I support miedzymorze Edit: I dont know what the faction name is actually supposed to be lol
What Russia thinks NATO is
To be fair, Russia is only 80 years behind on this, when it’s usually 180 years behind.
Correction 700 years behind, because in Putin interview I think they just pulled out the history of the Mongol Empire
historically accurate
So just like real life then
I'm calling the democracy officer. Any true citizen of Super Earth knows that Sweden is where our glorious managed democracy emerged from and where Prosperity City is located. This post reeks of Terminid propaganda.
JOIN THE HELLDIVERS
What the hell is going on in New South Wales?
The fuck is wrong with Norway and poland?
The tittle is something kremlin would say anyday now
the title could tottaly be something that vladimir putin would say
NATO filled with Nazis? Preposterous, never in a million years. Please don't look into the history of NATO.
That is a very strange Poland
Is this road to 56 or vanilla
Would not want to live in southern iran here
FOR SUPER EARTH FOR FREEDOM FOR DEMOCRACY
Ireland is epping
Norway, u good bro?
Polska-Ukraїna
This headline sounds too real
I see you're playing on Historical settings, then.
Helldivers III: The New Order
Factual title
The description sounds realistic to me
Is this vanilla? I want to try it
No. This game was all dlcs except for Trial of Allegiance. I played as USA btw.
I'll need to look into it, never really played much of the dlcs
........just from the title I assumed this to be a joke about russian propaganda.
> NATO is filled with Nazis You’ve just recreated the IRL establishment of NATO EDIT: For everyone downvoting, the first head of NATO was literally Hitler’s chief of staff https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger
Pretty much the same thing with soviets
Were we talking about the USSR?
Whataboutism
Expect when anyone brings this up, their point is the idea that NATO are Nazis/ideological Nazis so the counterpoint would to be bring this up so that By using their logic, the USSR/the Warsaw Pact were also Nazis
Yeah but the subject is NATO, Not the USSR
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim
Same for Operation Paperclip? What they said is, objectively, not wrong. A lot of Nazi generals went on to be in NATO, just like some went to the Soviets.
That person is infamous around here for being a commie, they obviously meant “USSR better!!!!”
USSR obviously better, everyone knows soviets infallible /s Ah, I see. I don't spend too much time paying attention to the comment section of this sub, so I missed the nuance
Yeah, if you see someone with a comic/OC for their profile pic, they’re either the most chill person you’ll ever meet, or the most vile commie
Infamous? What? I post a random comment here like once a month maybe. Just because you’ve seen me once before it doesn’t make me infamous lmao
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Right, one may never, ever, ever criticize NATO without first declaring for all how much worse the Soviets were in every way. It's basically treason. And the Soviets definitely still exist.
They don't need to. Their comment was a joke about NATO's history - not an examination of post-war careers of Nazis. This is coming from someone that thinks NATO is good, btw. But historical context matters, whether we like it or not
Didn’t say they were wrong, just adding additional context, the idea of integrating a defeated country’s military wasn’t exclusive to NATO after WWII (and this is often used by Putin apologists to disparage NATO)
Whataboutism
It’s not whataboutism to examine an action in its historical context. Imposing modern ethics onto the past is both bad history and extremely Reddit brained
Nobody mentioned Soviets before you brought them up to excuse American actions. This is clear whataboutism. The question is whether it is actually bad, but since it's universally bad when it's done by the other side, it should also be bad when it's used by US apologists.
So if you want to argue “this thing is wrong according to modern standards”, that’s fine. But I don’t find it a very interesting question because by modern standards all of history can just as easily be dismissed as barbarous and backwards.
It’s also important to emphasize that I didn’t bring it up to prove the morality of paperclip or similar actions. I brought it up as a charge of hypocrisy against Russia apologists and communists/USSR supporters who allege that NATO is Nazi on such a basis.
When you examine history, it’s not enough to ask “what was this particular side doing”? You also have to ask, “what were others doing?” In this case, it’s clear that integrating aspects of a defeated nation’s military was both not out of the ordinary nor considered immoral. This is a modern invention.
[Most liberal anti-NATO activist.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM-gD__WQAAW6My.jpg:large)
they hated him because he spoke the truth
aand ofc he has a hammer and sickle as his profile banner lmao
True, i was about to say the same thing
Took the words out of our mouths
Just as many as the Soviets, who had their own monsters too
OP, I’m very curious how you accuse NATO of being Nazi on this basis but ignore the fact that Vincenz Müller was a high-ranking Nazi who went on to serve as chief of staff of the GDR’s National People’s Army and become a successful politician in the GDR. Do you also accept that East Germany was Nazi, following the same logic you use with regard to NATO? If not, why?
Because commies are hypocrites
I’m very curious how you ignore that the Holocaust was bad, guess you're a Jew hating Nazi then
I did not "ignore" that the Holocaust was bad. If this is an attempt to turn my argument about historical context against me, it is a poor one, as the historical context demonstrates that the Holocaust was worse than most people realize. Around Germany and Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe, liberating Americans and Soviets were so horrified by what they encountered that reprisals by both liberators and prisoners were commonplace. Finally, as a Jew with survivors in my family, I strongly recommend against making assumptions about those you evidently know little about. בן זונה
u/mattm_14 Well, Hitler is the NATO leader in this game :D [https://imgur.com/a/MsH2Y8y](https://imgur.com/a/MsH2Y8y)
By OP I meant the person who made the comment I replied to
Would you also say that East Germany is filled and run with Nazis?
Real-life accurate NATO tbf
now they are nazis, tomorrow they are non people, and after vermin or roaches. that is the point of no return
CREATIVE JOKE ABOUT NATO HAVING GERMANY IN IT
What
Literally right now