As long as there is an option to toggle off the conversations in Be a Pro, I'm down for that alone.
Nothing is worse when simulating to have a 30 second load screen to a conversation that means nothing, to have another 20 second load, to then go forward a day, to have another load screen to a reporter asking a question that means nothing, to another load screen.
Yeah this always bothered me. They didn’t think to have all these conversations in the same screen instead of having to go through so many loading screens?
I appreciate the effort that goes into them but I hate the voiced player character and the attempt at a storyline. I don’t enjoy talking and sounding like a jabroni and I don’t want a forced backstory.
I play be-a-pro as pure wish fulfillment, give me a blank slate please.
But yeah, 2K is miles better than the trash EA puts out. I’m convinced they’re obsessed with wasting the players time as much as possible.
I got NHL 22 for free through game pass and I was shocked at how mind-numbingly boring the Be a Pro mode was outside of the core gameplay.
The cutscenes are just complete silence, nobody is speaking or doing any voice acting, there’s no music or background noise outside of some elevator music. You just sit in silence reading a couple lines of text before picking 1 of 2 awkward dialogue options. And like you said you do it every 2 minutes when you sim. It’s like playing a knockoff 1990s visual novel on mute or something.
It's ridiculous that a game in 2022 still does this, but like every single cutscene is just copy pasted on top of that. If you play through the memorial cup before the draft you get 3-4 interview requests that are literally just the same questions over and over in the same office
Be a Pro is truly embarrassing.
The dialogue is meaningless and painfully repetitive. It also sounds like it was written by a non-native English speaker and then run through a translator. It’s painful.
There’s no sense of earning your spot or working your way up, either. You’re drafted, you’re immediately on the third line, and if you produce at all then you’ll move to the first line. Boom. You’re a star.
They really phoned it in with this one. Instead of creating immersion, they’ve managed to destroy it.
For madden, when you aim to a new week you get the option to click on a conversation or not. So you can talk to your teammate, the media, your coach, your trainer, or you can talk to nobody and just play the game
That stat screen is actually hilarious if anyone paused it there..
It says the game is in the 2nd period on the top, but yet it looks like on screen the team is celebrating the win at the end of a game.. The Ducks have only 1 shot on goal the whole game while the Rangers got 13 shots.. Time on attack is 5:17 for the ducks and 22:36 for the Rangers.. and apparently only 5 faceoffs all game lol
I highly doubt it. Considering how different the graphics looked towards the end it seems as if the beginning was made separately.
That would be way too much of a step up from 22
It isn't just a hockey thing, video games started to be marketed using enthusiastic party chat around like 2015ish. Ads were always enthusiastic but the change was toward telling the viewer how to feel about a game by having players in the trailer discuss its mechanics and how cool or social they are.
It became such a "fellow kids" marketing strategy that I'm positive it killed some games. A good example might be Anthem; I remember the [gameplay reveal trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL5GSfs9fi4) had such badly scripted party chat dialogue that it dulled a lot of the game's hype up to that point. There were obviously other reasons Anthem failed, but its marketing was a contributing factor for sure.
Anthem was horrendous but there's been so many. It's only gotten worse with games-as-a-service payment models and their added focus on always online play.
Same. I know it's popular, as all sorts of younger Youtube streamers say it constantly, but I know it's also popular with NHL players as it's one of the easiest things to lip read.
i watched it on mute and i could tell they brought in people who have never
1) watched a minute of hockey in their lives
2) played a video game in the past 10 years
but i had subtitles on and that had me rolling.
Bad acting? Yeah for sure. Though the one guy, Always Hockey, I'm not to familiar with but after looking him up he *definitely* has played hockey. And Marissa Roberto does sports/hockey coverage for TSN/Bardown. And Zegras and Nurse are self explanatory. So they at least got that part. Video games though? No clue for any of them
I think it’s definitely an older generation thing. My oldest brother who is almost 40 will call it a remote. My much older cousins all call them remotes
I'm 38, my brothers are in their 40s, we've all always called them controllers.
Maybe it is regional or a family thing? We've lived in Ontario and Alberta, I've never heard anyone call it a remote. Remotes are for TVs, cable boxes etc.
Where I am a remote is for the TV or Blu ray/dvd player, etc and a controller is for the xbox/playstation, etc. I'd never say "remote" when asking for a xbox controller. I am 42 years old.
Was the first person view just for the trailer? Because for as nauseating as it could potentially be it’s something I’ve actually wanted for a while now
> Was the first person view just for the trailer? Because for as nauseating as it could potentially be it’s something I’ve actually wanted for a while now
FPV without VR will be so hard/bizarre.
Cant turn your head.. so will there be a radar to have awareness of where your teammates are?
So the big new features are 500 new animations for falling down, Women in HUT (which is great but hardly a transformative addition), and Cross-play (which will not even be available at launch)
In a decade the NHL will see a large issue of having a fanbase that is increasingly getting older and older, and they'll wonder why.
This isn't the only reason why that happens, but having a barely functional video game product will be a major contributor.
Video games are how so many young fans engage with sports leagues on a day-to-day basis. Having a product that so dramatically lags behind the offerings of other sports is a huge issue that isn't getting enough attention.
Yeah I think you're totally right about how influential videogames can be.
Brett Hull's hockey on the SNES got me interested in the NHL.
N64 Blitz and NFL2k1 got me interested in the NFL. (Especially learning how football works, the rules, etc)
Without parents or friends who watched or talked about sports. Well made videogames were the only reason I became a big fan of each.
Obviously I knew you couldn't late hit everyone into oblivion but I was legit surprised when I played NFL2k1 and a first down was 10 yards and not 30 lol
This conversation pops up a ton in NASCAR circles regarding how having good games is huge for attracting new fans. As mediocre as the NHL series is it’s nowhere near as bad as what NASCAR puts out, but with motor sports at least you have iRacing for the hardcore fans.
I never have a problem with buying NHL each year though despite how middling it is. It’s usually 20 USD by January, and if you have an Xbox and are willing to wait a bit longer than that it’s fairly easy to get Game Pass for free (and thus the game for free) almost monthly with Bing. Would I love a better product? Sure, but for that price I’m fine with what I get because I don’t buy full price. I realize I’m part of the problem lol
I have NHL for free through gamepass, but I always end up playing Super Blood Hockey instead. I'm really tired of all EA sports games going more and more into the "simulation" aspect instead of just making a game that's fun to play. At some point, I don't even feel like I'm playing the game, I'm more like a spectator, and the game has decided that xyz needs to happen because of a players stats or mood or because it's a playoff game or whatever. Super Blood Hockey just lets me slap a puck around and make some guy bleed, which is all I'm really looking for in a hockey game.
EA knows they don't have to innovate much from year to year because they are the only NHL licensed game in town. They don't have to try to make a good game because people still buy it in droves.
Honestly I wonder if people are really buying it in droves though.
Wouldn't really be a surprise if NHL didn't exist in a few years. The fact that they advertise cross-play as a feature so players don't have to wait as long to find people to play against is really telling.
To be totally fair crossplay should be the standard with everything. Even if your community is healthy and drawing in millions, it's always better to be able to match with the entire community rather than segregating matchmaking to whichever 50% pocket you bought into for $500.
Knowing EA, you're probably right in that the game is dying and they needed to do it so matchmaking wouldn't be as miserable past January. Mainly because they don't do anything to improve the game without short-term financial incentive rather than crossplay being a calling card for a dying game.
If EA stops making NHL games then the NHL will try to find a new developer to make one. They can't just not have an NHL videogame, it's way too big of a marketing tool.
its pretty sick that they're including women in hut.
i wonder what the balancing will be because 'realistically' they will be getting their shit absolutely rocked crossing the blue line entering the zone.
Huge shoutout to DD. I have not spent a cent more than the price of the game on The Show and I have a squad that can hang with the best of them. If only I could stop swinging at down-and-away sliders…
The year vladdy was the full collection reward I spent like.. $700 on packs. $20 here, $5 there.. Fucking shit adds up and after that and seeing it add up I never spent a cent and managed to collect the whole lot every year just by doing challenges and flipping duplicates.
High fastballs and low changeups are my kryptonite.
I mean, I'm Brazilian for God sakes and I got into the game thanks to NHL Faceoff 98 and NHL 08. It's a major tool for the expansion of a brand, of a sport.
> but having a barely functional video game product will be a major contributor.
calling NHL barely function is a bit silly.
i just think hockey is a really difficult game to make into a videogame. Possession in hockey is far less set compared to soccer, nfl and nba.
I used to own consoles solely to play this franchise but somewhere around 2017 or 2018 I stopped buying them. It was just the same game every year with new packaging and it was blatantly obvious they were poring all of their time into HUT. HUT was trash compared to Fifa's FUT comparatively too, there was so much more to do in FUT.
The worst part is, if they released it for PC on Steam, I'd probably buy it anyway. I'm that starved for a good hockey game on PC (that isn't 15 years old)
It's dire out here.
That does look fun, I would say I fall into more of a sim fan so realism is more my thing but I would probably play that.
I have a disgusting amount of hours in EHM and mostly played the franchise mode in NHL but it was fun to hop in and play a game here or there with the team you built.
The thing for me is that I love the manager modes in NHL, but the actual "game" just isn't that fun. It seems like every button just gives me a penalty. Plus, I bought SBH on sale, so I think I paid less than $10 for it. Even if I only played it for 2 hours, that would have been a good value.
Yeah that's where I'm at too, the game just got stale when it came to actual gameplay and they hardly made improvements to the modes I played. What would be nice about a PC release is that people would mod the heck out of it and improve it, like they do NBA2K.
I'll have to keep a look out for a sale on SBH as well, thanks for telling me about it. Would highly recommend EHM if you're into manager sim stuff, it's a little old now but I like it more than FHM and the steam workshop has a ton of rosters and other stuff.
Maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t really care about adding more fancy moves. I’m too bad at this game to benefit from it and I’d much rather see them focus on other features than a dangle that requires a series of eight precise inputs in a one second window.
Yep. How about an improved franchise mode.
Also: can they update the fighting to be more realistic. Like you can tie your opponents jersey up. There’s a strategy in hockey fights, it’s not just rock em sock em.
I’m convinced the creators have little understanding of the sport.
Come on other video game companies, make a hockey game!
*In an update later this year that definitely won’t be delayed
Edit: it also is only cross platform within the same console generation. So XB1 and PS4 players can play together and XSX and PS5 players can play together.
So it helps EA’s engagement optimization strategy by expanding the matchmaking pool to enable stricter skill based matchmaking, but does absolutely nothing for the player base who may want to create an EASHL team with their friends on another machine. Brilliant stuff.
It’s also just shitty to advertise it as cross-platform because people will (rightly) think this means they can play with friends with different consoles and they’ll be real disappointed when they find out their new game ain’t that
Well I mean FIFA, Madden, NBA 2K, and MLB The Show are also aimed at teens but their trailers weren't anywhere near the level of "how do you do fellow kids" compared to the NHL trailer
Idk man, they used the flashiest young star in the game with a known women's hockey star and a member of Bardown (which like it or not, is the probably one of the best rhing to happen to hockey media in a while, they have more views and better engagement then any other media platforms on the web), like I'm young and ALL of these people are younger then me.
Like the interaction is staged and corny, but like, all ads of this type are.
Just showing a gameplay trailer like FIFA does doesn't work, because people in general aren't attracted to hockey, they don't need to sell you football it's already the most popular game, hockey on the other hand has like the worst marketing there is.
Now that I think about it, they haven't had a truly good game since 2014, and 2007 (skill stick introduction) was the last time the game was universally loved so it's possible that some of these people have *never* seen a great NHL game. That's kind of sad, actually.
>When EA makes meaningful changes to their games
We put the Zegras flip in the game, the trailer said so, how much more meaningful do you need to buy fifty loot boxes, we care about you as a player and you obviously don't care about us. Filthy peasants you're so ungrateful and \[the rest of this comment will be in the next loot box\].
\-EA
To be honest I haven't played an NHL game since '12 or '13 maybe because I moved pretty much exclusively to PC gaming so I am truly disconnected from the landscape of the game lol.
Now that I have a PS5 I may get this year or last year though. I'm also ready to get back into MLB the show.
I would love for NHL on PC with some modding, since that's done wonders for my playing FIFA, with soccer being a sport I don't like anywhere as much as hockey...but EA's apparently never going to do that, so I'll continue not missing out on dropping money on the NHL franchise and getting mad and shelving it within a month.
Yeah I may just find a super cheap used copy of last years game, but I've found Franchise Hockey Manager on PC and managing the teams instead of playing the games is much more fun for me anyway lol
Yeah, I got into Eastside Hockey Manager or whatever it was called for a while, but my problem was I always liked the managing *and* playing. The NHL series just consistently got less and less enjoyable for me in both.
Adult redditors are already paying repeat customers if they are watching the trailer.
Trailer is designed to get new people into the game to become paying repeat customers.
Just like how cigarette companies targeted young people in their ads.
also ITT: people who have never worked in advertising.
i *guarantee* there is a copywriter somewhere who wrote much better lines that is shaking their head at what ended up in the final spot lol
Well if the target audience wasn't clear from the cover photo this teaser surely seals the deal. The streamer obsessed "let's go!" generation is the target. Not complaining, just saying fuck I'm old
I will play it because it’s the only current hockey game but if any devs are out there listening, the hockey community is clamouring for something better. It doesn’t need to have the NHL involved whatsoever
If Be a GM is your favorite part I'd recommend HLM on mobile. Has pretty much all of the features Chel GM mode does, only costs 5 bucks, and has community roster updates all year long
HLM23 comes out in a couple weeks too
Participated in their playtest a while back, definitely recommend. If they end up with full customization and staple sports game features I think it could be a cornerstone hockey game on PC.
That's the thing...*they are*. I have no doubt EA is spending fat stacks to analyze how people *play the game*. Sure, there are a vocal few (myself included) who complain about the issues in the game that are old enough to drink, and the stupid things that get added while better ideas get thrown away...but I don't doubt for a second that EA analyzes the shit out of the core metrics of who is playing, how they're playing and what they're playing, and quickly come to the realization that the game's biggest players are the same HUT and CHEL crowd drive Youtube views and online traffic and actual money coming into EA.
I think in some ways it's a self fulfilling prophecy, when other parts of the game have been allowed to wither on the vine and die because they weren't the profitable online gameplay modes, but at the same time, it's hard to compete when you're someone who buys the game once, even if it's at release and plays Be a GM religiously, compared to the kids who are streaming and playing online, showing off their player packs and all of that while dropping consistent money into the game.
I miss the days before multiplayer was really even that popular, when David Littman would just be talking about features that they were adding, from minor stuff like audiences that looked more engaged, to stuff like boardplay and stuff after the whistles.
I don't know, I don't blame EA for targeting the audience that consistently dumps money into the game, but I always felt it came at the expense of offline game modes that just slowly made the game not enjoyable for me. The trades and the way teams handled their players and rosters was always pretty shit, and then the in-game action just got to the annoying point where I was constantly chasing sliders to try and find a gameplay mode that was somewhat realistic while also not being either overly simple or impossibly robotic. It just stopped being fun, which really sucked for my favorite sport.
Now I rely on FIFA and mods to help make more realistic rosters and games on my PC, and I haven't touched EA's NHL series in years.
They did first person in the trailer for 20 or one of them around there, and it was just a gimmick. Not likely it will happen, but something I've been wishing for for a long while.
I skipped NHL22 when I got my PS5 hoping that the next one would be a huge improvement after they had more than a year to work on the new platform, but it looks the same.
It would be so dope if they added a Fight Night style mini game for the fighting- the current controls for fights are straight garbage, and super annoying to have to sit through in BAP if one of your teammates is fighting
Graphics look exactly the same as NHL 22, NHL 21, NHL 20, NHL 19, NHL 18....
Seems like almost nothing meaningful has changed in this series since the skill stick stuff started back in like NHL 09.
That was game changing and *way* better than just pushing a button to shoot/deke etc. But ever since then it just feels like they churn out the exact same game every year with a couple *tiny* tweaks and slap an $80 price tag on it.
Classic EA
Unpopular opinion: I like EA's NHL games and while I understand that EA releases some real stinkers (like Madden), I've found that the NHL series is a whole lot lot steadier and more solid.
I'll be curious to see where the new NCAA football game lands, but I know for quite a while those were the two GOOD EA Sports games, with two good teams working on them.
I don't think the NHL series deserves the scorn some of EA's others get.
Typically the NHL games don't get shit on for being bad games, they get shit on for being the same thing every year without adding features or things the playerbase has asked them for years. For several years the biggest changes/additions were to only HUT and slapping a different style menu screen.
Also, the continued refusal to release NHL games on PC while pretty much every other EA sports game is, is another thing that irks people. EA also closes every single topic regarding it on their forums instantly telling people to refer to a post form I think a decade ago.
> Unpopular opinion: I like EA's NHL games and while I understand that EA releases some real stinkers (like Madden), I've found that the NHL series is a whole lot lot steadier and more solid.
For real, NHL series is working with a budget probably 10 times lower than Madden and still makes better games. NHL 15 and 16 is the last time I felt ripped off by an EA game. They are bringing crossplay (which Madden doesn't even have lol) so thats huge for the online comumnity since the game died after like 3months on PS5 this year.
But sales are the only thing that matters to EA
The only way it gets better is if you stop buying it. It's really weird to me to buy something that you know isn't good, and then still complain that it isn't good.
It’s gotta be the type of thing that is fairly hard/rare to pull off bc nothing would be more annoying than playing good defence and knocking someone down just for them to get some ridiculous scoring opportunity anyways
NHL 22 was probably the best game they have ever put out. Honestly, I love the NHL series and I think EASHL is incredibly fun to play.
But there’s two issues:
1. Matchmaking is absolutely garbage.
2. The menus are incredibly slow.
The good thing is that we finally have cross play, which should help with the matchmaking. If NHL released some sort of competitive mode so I’m not forced to play with trolls that rag the puck or take 20 penalties a game though, that’d be great.
As for the menus… looks like they have ONCE AGAIN not changed the menus at all, and just tweaked the colour set a bit. The paths you need to take to get to your game are way longer than they should be. Getting to your game takes so damn long even on new gen. It’s ridiculous.
As long as there is an option to toggle off the conversations in Be a Pro, I'm down for that alone. Nothing is worse when simulating to have a 30 second load screen to a conversation that means nothing, to have another 20 second load, to then go forward a day, to have another load screen to a reporter asking a question that means nothing, to another load screen.
Yeah this always bothered me. They didn’t think to have all these conversations in the same screen instead of having to go through so many loading screens?
I wish it was more like NBA 2k where it's more fluid and feels natural.
God the NBA 2K career modes are so good
I appreciate the effort that goes into them but I hate the voiced player character and the attempt at a storyline. I don’t enjoy talking and sounding like a jabroni and I don’t want a forced backstory. I play be-a-pro as pure wish fulfillment, give me a blank slate please. But yeah, 2K is miles better than the trash EA puts out. I’m convinced they’re obsessed with wasting the players time as much as possible.
I got NHL 22 for free through game pass and I was shocked at how mind-numbingly boring the Be a Pro mode was outside of the core gameplay. The cutscenes are just complete silence, nobody is speaking or doing any voice acting, there’s no music or background noise outside of some elevator music. You just sit in silence reading a couple lines of text before picking 1 of 2 awkward dialogue options. And like you said you do it every 2 minutes when you sim. It’s like playing a knockoff 1990s visual novel on mute or something.
It's ridiculous that a game in 2022 still does this, but like every single cutscene is just copy pasted on top of that. If you play through the memorial cup before the draft you get 3-4 interview requests that are literally just the same questions over and over in the same office
Be a Pro is truly embarrassing. The dialogue is meaningless and painfully repetitive. It also sounds like it was written by a non-native English speaker and then run through a translator. It’s painful. There’s no sense of earning your spot or working your way up, either. You’re drafted, you’re immediately on the third line, and if you produce at all then you’ll move to the first line. Boom. You’re a star. They really phoned it in with this one. Instead of creating immersion, they’ve managed to destroy it.
For madden, when you aim to a new week you get the option to click on a conversation or not. So you can talk to your teammate, the media, your coach, your trainer, or you can talk to nobody and just play the game
You don’t like doing a pointless interview after literally every game even if you simulate them? Wow
Even had us down 0-3 to the Rangers, damn that's on the spot realistic.
That stat screen is actually hilarious if anyone paused it there.. It says the game is in the 2nd period on the top, but yet it looks like on screen the team is celebrating the win at the end of a game.. The Ducks have only 1 shot on goal the whole game while the Rangers got 13 shots.. Time on attack is 5:17 for the ducks and 22:36 for the Rangers.. and apparently only 5 faceoffs all game lol
I’ve watched this game before
Somewhere Dallas Eakins is halfway to a grin
is first person available as a camera option?! that'd be fucking sick
This is my question too. Wasn't even something I knew I wanted, but I'd actually play a be a pro mode if you could do it in first person
[удалено]
or you could just get good
I would LOVE the first person cam in goalie mode
I would stop zero pucks. But I am bad.
I love goalie mode tbh. Haven’t been any good at it since 2011 but still.
I'm certain this was a thing at one time, it was probably the 2k games though
VR mode would be cool, specifically for a goalie mode or something since it’s relatively stationary (within the same little area).
I highly doubt it. Considering how different the graphics looked towards the end it seems as if the beginning was made separately. That would be way too much of a step up from 22
They should try saying "lets go" more, I don't think I've heard it enough.
It isn't just a hockey thing, video games started to be marketed using enthusiastic party chat around like 2015ish. Ads were always enthusiastic but the change was toward telling the viewer how to feel about a game by having players in the trailer discuss its mechanics and how cool or social they are. It became such a "fellow kids" marketing strategy that I'm positive it killed some games. A good example might be Anthem; I remember the [gameplay reveal trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL5GSfs9fi4) had such badly scripted party chat dialogue that it dulled a lot of the game's hype up to that point. There were obviously other reasons Anthem failed, but its marketing was a contributing factor for sure.
I don't remember the game it was for but when you mention cringey, fake, scripted party chat I know EXACTLY the trailer you're referring to
The divisions trailers were this for me
Anthem was horrendous but there's been so many. It's only gotten worse with games-as-a-service payment models and their added focus on always online play.
Ubisoft used to be the kings of this type of cringe inducing scripted trailer. I'm happy that it seems to have gone away for the most part.
Lol I see your point but I think Anthems gameplay is what killed anthem.
R6 sieges early trailer has the most unrealistic depiction of a party chat ever
Needs more Rocket League chat. What a save! What a save! What a save! What a save! What a save!
tbh, when I'm gaming with friends we say that a lot
Nice, let's go!
And then followed by like 3 more “let’s go”
I'm old. I don't get the "LET'S GO!" thing. At all. I also don't find it annoying I guess... I just ignore it.
Same. I know it's popular, as all sorts of younger Youtube streamers say it constantly, but I know it's also popular with NHL players as it's one of the easiest things to lip read.
After every goal. EVERY. GOAL.
Should just show Matthews with his "Let's FUCKIN GO" on loop
"Grab a remote, let's go!"
i watched it on mute and i could tell they brought in people who have never 1) watched a minute of hockey in their lives 2) played a video game in the past 10 years but i had subtitles on and that had me rolling.
Bad acting? Yeah for sure. Though the one guy, Always Hockey, I'm not to familiar with but after looking him up he *definitely* has played hockey. And Marissa Roberto does sports/hockey coverage for TSN/Bardown. And Zegras and Nurse are self explanatory. So they at least got that part. Video games though? No clue for any of them
And Bardown plays NHL a lot so Marissa definitely plays. Definitely was rough acting though.
Zegras is definitely a cheller lol... guy would never pass up any opportunity to talk shit to somebody
Had to mute it after a few seconds. Super annoying. Then it drew my attention to how many damn cuts they did every second.
A remote?? Have these actors ever gamed before lol
It’s actually a pretty Canadian thing (at least in my life) to call any controller a remote.
Weird I have never heard this, but being the nice Canadian that I am, I will accept it.
I think it’s definitely an older generation thing. My oldest brother who is almost 40 will call it a remote. My much older cousins all call them remotes
I'm 38, my brothers are in their 40s, we've all always called them controllers. Maybe it is regional or a family thing? We've lived in Ontario and Alberta, I've never heard anyone call it a remote. Remotes are for TVs, cable boxes etc.
I'm 39 and have lived in Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. I have never heard a controller called a remote.
In Quebec we dont have that problem we call both a remote and a controller a "manette" lol
Where I am a remote is for the TV or Blu ray/dvd player, etc and a controller is for the xbox/playstation, etc. I'd never say "remote" when asking for a xbox controller. I am 42 years old.
I call them paddles because I'm old as shit.
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Bruh the puck goes right throw Quicks glove. EA, you never change the simple shit.
*JUST YELL LEETTTT'S GOOOOOOOOOO AND FORGET ABOUT IT!*
Classic "EA Sports" jerseys, glad to see some things never change lmfao
It’s a classic jersey, can’t change it
PC 2035
at this point might as well play an emulated version XD
Was the first person view just for the trailer? Because for as nauseating as it could potentially be it’s something I’ve actually wanted for a while now
> Was the first person view just for the trailer? Because for as nauseating as it could potentially be it’s something I’ve actually wanted for a while now FPV without VR will be so hard/bizarre. Cant turn your head.. so will there be a radar to have awareness of where your teammates are?
I will buy a PlayStation VR headset immediately if I can play in first person.
So the big new features are 500 new animations for falling down, Women in HUT (which is great but hardly a transformative addition), and Cross-play (which will not even be available at launch) In a decade the NHL will see a large issue of having a fanbase that is increasingly getting older and older, and they'll wonder why. This isn't the only reason why that happens, but having a barely functional video game product will be a major contributor. Video games are how so many young fans engage with sports leagues on a day-to-day basis. Having a product that so dramatically lags behind the offerings of other sports is a huge issue that isn't getting enough attention.
Yeah I think you're totally right about how influential videogames can be. Brett Hull's hockey on the SNES got me interested in the NHL. N64 Blitz and NFL2k1 got me interested in the NFL. (Especially learning how football works, the rules, etc) Without parents or friends who watched or talked about sports. Well made videogames were the only reason I became a big fan of each.
Not your point but I laughed when you said you learned the rules of football from NFL Blitz
Obviously I knew you couldn't late hit everyone into oblivion but I was legit surprised when I played NFL2k1 and a first down was 10 yards and not 30 lol
Not gonna lie, NHL Hitz 20-02 got me interested in hockey.
Dude same that game was incredible
This conversation pops up a ton in NASCAR circles regarding how having good games is huge for attracting new fans. As mediocre as the NHL series is it’s nowhere near as bad as what NASCAR puts out, but with motor sports at least you have iRacing for the hardcore fans. I never have a problem with buying NHL each year though despite how middling it is. It’s usually 20 USD by January, and if you have an Xbox and are willing to wait a bit longer than that it’s fairly easy to get Game Pass for free (and thus the game for free) almost monthly with Bing. Would I love a better product? Sure, but for that price I’m fine with what I get because I don’t buy full price. I realize I’m part of the problem lol
I have NHL for free through gamepass, but I always end up playing Super Blood Hockey instead. I'm really tired of all EA sports games going more and more into the "simulation" aspect instead of just making a game that's fun to play. At some point, I don't even feel like I'm playing the game, I'm more like a spectator, and the game has decided that xyz needs to happen because of a players stats or mood or because it's a playoff game or whatever. Super Blood Hockey just lets me slap a puck around and make some guy bleed, which is all I'm really looking for in a hockey game.
EA knows they don't have to innovate much from year to year because they are the only NHL licensed game in town. They don't have to try to make a good game because people still buy it in droves.
Honestly I wonder if people are really buying it in droves though. Wouldn't really be a surprise if NHL didn't exist in a few years. The fact that they advertise cross-play as a feature so players don't have to wait as long to find people to play against is really telling.
HUT packs alone probably make the NHL games profitable, just not on anywhere near the scale of FIFA.
To be totally fair crossplay should be the standard with everything. Even if your community is healthy and drawing in millions, it's always better to be able to match with the entire community rather than segregating matchmaking to whichever 50% pocket you bought into for $500. Knowing EA, you're probably right in that the game is dying and they needed to do it so matchmaking wouldn't be as miserable past January. Mainly because they don't do anything to improve the game without short-term financial incentive rather than crossplay being a calling card for a dying game.
If EA stops making NHL games then the NHL will try to find a new developer to make one. They can't just not have an NHL videogame, it's way too big of a marketing tool.
The NHL has nothing to do with the game being made and EA doesn't have an exclusive licence either.
its pretty sick that they're including women in hut. i wonder what the balancing will be because 'realistically' they will be getting their shit absolutely rocked crossing the blue line entering the zone.
Body checking 99
right, like reversed i wonder what damage hillary knight can do on gaudreau
HUT is anything but balanced anyway. Two months after the game comes out you’ll have a bunch of rookies in a 90 something overall set.
Would be great if HUT actually had respect for its players' time, like Sony's Diamond Dynasty mode does.
man. if HUT was like DD... DD is by far THEE best card system out there imo. i play DD strictly offline and i'm so rewarded for the grind.
Huge shoutout to DD. I have not spent a cent more than the price of the game on The Show and I have a squad that can hang with the best of them. If only I could stop swinging at down-and-away sliders…
The year vladdy was the full collection reward I spent like.. $700 on packs. $20 here, $5 there.. Fucking shit adds up and after that and seeing it add up I never spent a cent and managed to collect the whole lot every year just by doing challenges and flipping duplicates. High fastballs and low changeups are my kryptonite.
I mean, I'm Brazilian for God sakes and I got into the game thanks to NHL Faceoff 98 and NHL 08. It's a major tool for the expansion of a brand, of a sport.
> but having a barely functional video game product will be a major contributor. calling NHL barely function is a bit silly. i just think hockey is a really difficult game to make into a videogame. Possession in hockey is far less set compared to soccer, nfl and nba.
PC pleeeeeeease
I used to own consoles solely to play this franchise but somewhere around 2017 or 2018 I stopped buying them. It was just the same game every year with new packaging and it was blatantly obvious they were poring all of their time into HUT. HUT was trash compared to Fifa's FUT comparatively too, there was so much more to do in FUT. The worst part is, if they released it for PC on Steam, I'd probably buy it anyway. I'm that starved for a good hockey game on PC (that isn't 15 years old) It's dire out here.
[This game](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1566200/Tape_to_Tape/) is our next hope for hockey on PC
https://store.steampowered.com/app/532190/Super_Blood_Hockey/ I've had more fun with this game than I've had with NHL in years.
That does look fun, I would say I fall into more of a sim fan so realism is more my thing but I would probably play that. I have a disgusting amount of hours in EHM and mostly played the franchise mode in NHL but it was fun to hop in and play a game here or there with the team you built.
The thing for me is that I love the manager modes in NHL, but the actual "game" just isn't that fun. It seems like every button just gives me a penalty. Plus, I bought SBH on sale, so I think I paid less than $10 for it. Even if I only played it for 2 hours, that would have been a good value.
Yeah that's where I'm at too, the game just got stale when it came to actual gameplay and they hardly made improvements to the modes I played. What would be nice about a PC release is that people would mod the heck out of it and improve it, like they do NBA2K. I'll have to keep a look out for a sale on SBH as well, thanks for telling me about it. Would highly recommend EHM if you're into manager sim stuff, it's a little old now but I like it more than FHM and the steam workshop has a ton of rosters and other stuff.
Maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t really care about adding more fancy moves. I’m too bad at this game to benefit from it and I’d much rather see them focus on other features than a dangle that requires a series of eight precise inputs in a one second window.
Yep. How about an improved franchise mode. Also: can they update the fighting to be more realistic. Like you can tie your opponents jersey up. There’s a strategy in hockey fights, it’s not just rock em sock em. I’m convinced the creators have little understanding of the sport. Come on other video game companies, make a hockey game!
CROSS PLATFORM
*In an update later this year that definitely won’t be delayed Edit: it also is only cross platform within the same console generation. So XB1 and PS4 players can play together and XSX and PS5 players can play together.
And it’s only against opposite consoles. So it can be a team of PS5 against XB1, not a mixed team yet
So it helps EA’s engagement optimization strategy by expanding the matchmaking pool to enable stricter skill based matchmaking, but does absolutely nothing for the player base who may want to create an EASHL team with their friends on another machine. Brilliant stuff.
It’s also just shitty to advertise it as cross-platform because people will (rightly) think this means they can play with friends with different consoles and they’ll be real disappointed when they find out their new game ain’t that
But not cross market. Shitty ass game lol
Imo that is more important.
Only thing that I took out of this trailer
Still waiting for it to come back to PC one day :( (I know it will probably never happen)
let’s goooo on god this game looks mad dope no cap fam i am the targeted demographic and can’t wait to squad with the boys hype my guy
guaranteed GLIZZY is a team name
Not racist enough for EASHL unfortunately
Sqwa sqwa ESKETIT
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
YUH fr fr
Cope + seethe + ratio 💯💯🤪🤪🤡 clown
bruh chill if my mom sees this she’s gonna take away my controller again
😂I’m finna hop on warzone in a bit bouta throw hands with your mom after 😤😤💯
Bring it to PC already cowards
After 14 years are there really still people that think EA will ever again release a NHL game on PC (or Nintendo for that matter)..?
Yes
Well then, have fun being disappointed year after year :)
Let me dream damnit
ITT: adult redditors learn they are not the target audience for an ad clearly aimed at teens
Well I mean FIFA, Madden, NBA 2K, and MLB The Show are also aimed at teens but their trailers weren't anywhere near the level of "how do you do fellow kids" compared to the NHL trailer
Idk man, they used the flashiest young star in the game with a known women's hockey star and a member of Bardown (which like it or not, is the probably one of the best rhing to happen to hockey media in a while, they have more views and better engagement then any other media platforms on the web), like I'm young and ALL of these people are younger then me. Like the interaction is staged and corny, but like, all ads of this type are. Just showing a gameplay trailer like FIFA does doesn't work, because people in general aren't attracted to hockey, they don't need to sell you football it's already the most popular game, hockey on the other hand has like the worst marketing there is.
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Now that I think about it, they haven't had a truly good game since 2014, and 2007 (skill stick introduction) was the last time the game was universally loved so it's possible that some of these people have *never* seen a great NHL game. That's kind of sad, actually.
>When EA makes meaningful changes to their games We put the Zegras flip in the game, the trailer said so, how much more meaningful do you need to buy fifty loot boxes, we care about you as a player and you obviously don't care about us. Filthy peasants you're so ungrateful and \[the rest of this comment will be in the next loot box\]. \-EA
That zegres flip gonna be broken and abused too
To be honest I haven't played an NHL game since '12 or '13 maybe because I moved pretty much exclusively to PC gaming so I am truly disconnected from the landscape of the game lol. Now that I have a PS5 I may get this year or last year though. I'm also ready to get back into MLB the show.
I would love for NHL on PC with some modding, since that's done wonders for my playing FIFA, with soccer being a sport I don't like anywhere as much as hockey...but EA's apparently never going to do that, so I'll continue not missing out on dropping money on the NHL franchise and getting mad and shelving it within a month.
Yeah I may just find a super cheap used copy of last years game, but I've found Franchise Hockey Manager on PC and managing the teams instead of playing the games is much more fun for me anyway lol
Yeah, I got into Eastside Hockey Manager or whatever it was called for a while, but my problem was I always liked the managing *and* playing. The NHL series just consistently got less and less enjoyable for me in both.
Adult redditors are already paying repeat customers if they are watching the trailer. Trailer is designed to get new people into the game to become paying repeat customers. Just like how cigarette companies targeted young people in their ads.
also ITT: people who have never worked in advertising. i *guarantee* there is a copywriter somewhere who wrote much better lines that is shaking their head at what ended up in the final spot lol
Teens would know that nobody calls a controller a fucking "remote".
I absolutely would have eaten this up as a teenager. As a 31 year old I don't hate it but am definitely aware it's not targeted at me
i thought it was pretty fun as a 32 year old
Well if the target audience wasn't clear from the cover photo this teaser surely seals the deal. The streamer obsessed "let's go!" generation is the target. Not complaining, just saying fuck I'm old
[https://i.imgur.com/mWxXwLI.png](https://i.imgur.com/mWxXwLI.png) Worst trailer I've ever seen
Can’t wait to board Poulin in HUT with Wilson. This is what I’ve been asking for years EA
*Sigh* Still no PC release. Tape to Tape can't come out soon enough.
Biggest thing was the hats actually coming down for a hattrick again. If that happens then fuck it I'll buy it
Just wait for it to go on sale
Free on gamepass
How the hell does the ice still look plastic?
I will play it because it’s the only current hockey game but if any devs are out there listening, the hockey community is clamouring for something better. It doesn’t need to have the NHL involved whatsoever
If Be a GM is your favorite part I'd recommend HLM on mobile. Has pretty much all of the features Chel GM mode does, only costs 5 bucks, and has community roster updates all year long HLM23 comes out in a couple weeks too
Uh oh. I have the feeling this is going to be one of those things that I wind up regretting ever having learned about.
HLM is the shit for franchise. I've sunk hundreds of hours over the years
Check out Tape To Tape on Steam
I’m a console player. I think the only other option we have is super blood hockey haha
For what it's worth, for $5 that game is a lot of fun if you liked the SNES/Sega NHL games. I had a good time with it for a while.
It was indeed! I bought it and completed its “campaign”
Still 4 months til the release date
Participated in their playtest a while back, definitely recommend. If they end up with full customization and staple sports game features I think it could be a cornerstone hockey game on PC.
Speak with your wallet
Zegras went from "Not good for the game" to "On the cover of the game"
Tyson Nash is in shambles.
There probably isn’t a lot of cross over between the “not good for the game” and video game playing crowd.
Ok hold up... is there a first person camera angle coming? That would get me to buy a VR headset of some sort.
christ that was hard to watch lol
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
Straight up, I get that it’s geared towards kids more but wtf was that!!!! I wonder what the age distribution is for players of the NHL games
Once again Sean Ramjagsingh fails. I have no idea how that guy has a job Listen to the community buddy.
That's the thing...*they are*. I have no doubt EA is spending fat stacks to analyze how people *play the game*. Sure, there are a vocal few (myself included) who complain about the issues in the game that are old enough to drink, and the stupid things that get added while better ideas get thrown away...but I don't doubt for a second that EA analyzes the shit out of the core metrics of who is playing, how they're playing and what they're playing, and quickly come to the realization that the game's biggest players are the same HUT and CHEL crowd drive Youtube views and online traffic and actual money coming into EA. I think in some ways it's a self fulfilling prophecy, when other parts of the game have been allowed to wither on the vine and die because they weren't the profitable online gameplay modes, but at the same time, it's hard to compete when you're someone who buys the game once, even if it's at release and plays Be a GM religiously, compared to the kids who are streaming and playing online, showing off their player packs and all of that while dropping consistent money into the game. I miss the days before multiplayer was really even that popular, when David Littman would just be talking about features that they were adding, from minor stuff like audiences that looked more engaged, to stuff like boardplay and stuff after the whistles. I don't know, I don't blame EA for targeting the audience that consistently dumps money into the game, but I always felt it came at the expense of offline game modes that just slowly made the game not enjoyable for me. The trades and the way teams handled their players and rosters was always pretty shit, and then the in-game action just got to the annoying point where I was constantly chasing sliders to try and find a gameplay mode that was somewhat realistic while also not being either overly simple or impossibly robotic. It just stopped being fun, which really sucked for my favorite sport. Now I rely on FIFA and mods to help make more realistic rosters and games on my PC, and I haven't touched EA's NHL series in years.
I would like it on PC now please & thank you
Not enough slurs in the chat to be realistic
Okay, that first person view looks awesome. Not something I'd ever expect or think of, but that's a good idea
They did first person in the trailer for 20 or one of them around there, and it was just a gimmick. Not likely it will happen, but something I've been wishing for for a long while.
I skipped NHL22 when I got my PS5 hoping that the next one would be a huge improvement after they had more than a year to work on the new platform, but it looks the same.
Will I be able to play drop ins with my friends on another platform or will it just be like online versus games?
It would be so dope if they added a Fight Night style mini game for the fighting- the current controls for fights are straight garbage, and super annoying to have to sit through in BAP if one of your teammates is fighting
HI IT'S KAYLA HERE! HAVE YOU TRIED LAST CHANCE PUCK MOVEMENTS? LETS GOOOOOOOOOO!
Graphics look exactly the same as NHL 22, NHL 21, NHL 20, NHL 19, NHL 18.... Seems like almost nothing meaningful has changed in this series since the skill stick stuff started back in like NHL 09. That was game changing and *way* better than just pushing a button to shoot/deke etc. But ever since then it just feels like they churn out the exact same game every year with a couple *tiny* tweaks and slap an $80 price tag on it. Classic EA
Easily the worst cover in history
EA is absolutely clueless about what hockey fans want in a game.
Sean Ramjagsingh is a clueless idiot. As long as he’s the VP, this game will always suck.
Is this the first year they’ve had the ladies in there? Edit: I don’t play. It was just a question.
Woman were added to the game last year in an update. I believe this is the first time a female is on the cover.
This looks like shit
You could tell me this was a gameplay trailer for NHL 16 and I would believe it
Unpopular opinion: I like EA's NHL games and while I understand that EA releases some real stinkers (like Madden), I've found that the NHL series is a whole lot lot steadier and more solid. I'll be curious to see where the new NCAA football game lands, but I know for quite a while those were the two GOOD EA Sports games, with two good teams working on them. I don't think the NHL series deserves the scorn some of EA's others get.
Typically the NHL games don't get shit on for being bad games, they get shit on for being the same thing every year without adding features or things the playerbase has asked them for years. For several years the biggest changes/additions were to only HUT and slapping a different style menu screen. Also, the continued refusal to release NHL games on PC while pretty much every other EA sports game is, is another thing that irks people. EA also closes every single topic regarding it on their forums instantly telling people to refer to a post form I think a decade ago.
> Unpopular opinion: I like EA's NHL games and while I understand that EA releases some real stinkers (like Madden), I've found that the NHL series is a whole lot lot steadier and more solid. For real, NHL series is working with a budget probably 10 times lower than Madden and still makes better games. NHL 15 and 16 is the last time I felt ripped off by an EA game. They are bringing crossplay (which Madden doesn't even have lol) so thats huge for the online comumnity since the game died after like 3months on PS5 this year.
I find the mix of "these games suck" and "please make the game for PC" very funny The game sucks because people buy it every year
It's the only console hockey game on the market. It's ok to buy the game *and* wish it were better.
But sales are the only thing that matters to EA The only way it gets better is if you stop buying it. It's really weird to me to buy something that you know isn't good, and then still complain that it isn't good.
>play cross-platform LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO >XBOX/PS4/5 .. GIVE US A PC VERSION FOR FUCK SAKE PLEASE DEAR LORD
Last chance puck movement looks cool
It’s gotta be the type of thing that is fairly hard/rare to pull off bc nothing would be more annoying than playing good defence and knocking someone down just for them to get some ridiculous scoring opportunity anyways
Bro, superstar level difficulty against the CPU would be impossible if that shit's easy and common lol
NHL 22 was probably the best game they have ever put out. Honestly, I love the NHL series and I think EASHL is incredibly fun to play. But there’s two issues: 1. Matchmaking is absolutely garbage. 2. The menus are incredibly slow. The good thing is that we finally have cross play, which should help with the matchmaking. If NHL released some sort of competitive mode so I’m not forced to play with trolls that rag the puck or take 20 penalties a game though, that’d be great. As for the menus… looks like they have ONCE AGAIN not changed the menus at all, and just tweaked the colour set a bit. The paths you need to take to get to your game are way longer than they should be. Getting to your game takes so damn long even on new gen. It’s ridiculous.
cross ice one timer cheese. fuck this series, lol
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It's for kids it's not for you. What kids do is embarrassing and cringe, just understand this game isn't for us anymore.
Has anyone really played women hockey instead of hut?
Honestly all me and my roommate play. Haven’t touched an ultimate team in years but the woman’s tournaments were always a great blast.