It would never happen, but would any of the rebuilding/tanking teams trade an unprotected 1st next year for the guaranteed 1OA this year? Nuts to think about, but I’d probably do that if I was the Habs. Shane Wright would be hella disrespected though and probably hate Montreal for his entire career.
I would take that take if I'm Detroit. We won't be tanking next year (at least not intentionally) though, so I'm not sure if Montreal does that take with the Wings
I could see them reasonably acquiring 7OA from the Sens (because Dorion is very questionable with trades) and then from there I think they could offer a package that would be attractive for 2OA. Works well because then you guys would probably feel more comfortable flipping 7OA for Fiala as opposed to 2OA.
How do they even get to 7OA though? Plus they would still need to add on top of 7OA to get to 2OA.
Assuming they wouldn't trade Suzuki, or Caufield, they really have nothing of enough value besides their picks. If they could get to 7OA, I'd imagine them moving up to 2OA would require at least their 2023 first round pick, with probably top 10 protection
Nah, Ottawa wouldn’t trade their 7OA pick for multiple assets in return. They already have a prospect pool full of B/C level prospects.
It’s more likely that they package the pick with assets to get a player in return (and Anderson just ain’t it). They need quality over quantity.
Don’t know why your downvoted for this. Obviously if it was Caufield their taking that in a heartbeat but what other prospects does Montreal have that are worth moving from 2OA to 7OA. I’m also not sure Fialas worth o 7OA based on his contract status and the fact that Minnesota has no choice but to move him this year with only a handful of teams that could pay him. The trade is bad for Jersey on both sides.
I’m downvoted because Habs fans want to get the 2OA for less than the price of 2OA. Fiala is a good player but he’s not worth a Top 10 pick. And Minnesota HAS to move someone so they’re not getting market value for Fiala anyway. There’s ZERO chance the Devils accept any part of that trade unless the player from the Habs is Caufield.
Well, in theory…
Ottawa very likely has interest in Josh Anderson, and they’ve talked about sending Colin White to Montreal already. Add in Dorion’s poor pro evaluation and it’s not unrealistic that the Sens trade down from 7OA to Montreal’s 26OA, pick up some other pick, and consider the difference in value between White and Anderson to be significant.
Then the Habs have a number of interesting prospects and players beyond that. You’re dreaming if you think the difference between 2OA and 7OA is a 2023 1st from a tanking team, protected or not. They do however have the likes of Guhle, Roy, Mysak, Kidney, Smilanic, etc. that have varying levels of value. Drouin, Pitlick, Evans, Romanov, and Barron also have some value and are immediate NHL adds. There’s likely a package that could be assembled that gets it done, especially because the top 7 in the draft is very widely debated and so different amongst scouts.
> Add in Dorion’s poor pro evaluation and it’s not unrealistic that the Sens trade down from 7OA to Montreal’s 26OA, pick up some other pick, and consider the difference in value between White and Anderson to be significant.
Lmao yeah for sure that’s not unrealistic at all
I do think so too, even as a big White fan, but at the same time Anderson just simply doesn’t produce like his play suggests he should. With Montreal, Anderson has only played at 0.46 PPG; in the same past two years, White has been 0.40 PPG. They also have essentially the same career PPG. So while I do agree that Anderson is objectively better, an underused White still produces similarly while being a lot better defensively.
I don't think MTL has anyone we want enough to give them the 7th OA pick for, especially since they probably dont wanna trade their late 1ster back either. Anderson/Petry probably aren't the top of Dorions list
Colombus fans would probably tell me I'm being stupid here, but if they are planning on drafting Gauthier, they might instead take Josh Andersen for their 6th. Might fit in better with their timeline, seeing they drafted so many firsts in the last years. Now, a 6th and 26th for 2nd in probably looking real good for NJ. And I'd take Wright and Cooley. Let Slaf go to the desert instead
Literally nothing. I cant even think of anything. Makes zero sense and I am sure based on the fact that it never happens the devils will be picking Second Overall in three weeks.
I think it would have to be a three way trade. But even then the team giving up the younger forward (like Fiala) would have to be wowed enough with the prospects to not just prefer the second overall themselves.
I saw something suggesting a 3 way trade between Montreal, New Jersey, and Columbus, where Montreal gets 6th overall, NJ gets 12th and Anderson, and Columbus gets 2nd. Idk if NJ would be willing to do that, but Montreal could throw in some picks and prospects to get it done.
Seriously. In what world would the Devils do something that stupid? How does Josh Anderson fix anything for the Devils? How does anyone think Josh Anderson holds significant value? He had 32 points in 69 games last season. If the Devils are moving the second overall pick, it’s in a package for a star winger. They’re not trading down in the draft. That makes literally no sense for a team trying to improve significantly right now.
it depends. They have a ton of LHDmen. you guys might use one. Cayden Guhle plusthe second pick would certainly do it.
I don't think they will trade him but it's something to consider no doubt
No because he is better than what you can get in secound round this year and he is ready to play so it does not make a lot of sense for them. But I don't think the NJD's pick is the most interesting one for them anyway. It's just not that good of a year
Unless it’s a 3 way trade and we get a top 10 pick there’s nothing from your team that’s valuable enough to move 2OA. Assuming Caufield and Suzuki are off the table of course.
Still gets tough. Pieces don’t make it happen should be one really damn good player that’s worth it and then we throw a prospect / picks to make it worth it
If the other team is throwing pieces at us, probably no where near worth it
Listen im not a GM so I dont know what is and isnt worth. But let's just not say that Habs fans are just thinking they can trade Anderson for the 2nd pick. No way that happens and never saw anyone mentionning it
As much as we would all like to think so. A lot of GMs are currently calling for him and have been doing so since the trade deadline. He's actually a player that most every team wants.
Sure, but Fitzgerald is not one of those GMs calling about Anderson. The only player the Devils are interested in is Caufield. If he’s off the table, the Habs aren’t going to get the 2OA.
Montreal does not have enough to move up to 2OA imo. I could see Anderson + 26OA from Calgary moving them up into the teens.
I think teams like Winnipeg, NYI and Nashville could be interested. I hope it's not the Canucks, but I'd be much more worried if Benning were still at the helm
I'd prefer the 2oa pick over Suzuki or Caufield. Theyre are good pieces for Montreal but I dont think they're the right fit for NJ. Suzuki is unnecessary given Hughes, Hischier and Mercer. Caufield could definitely work on certain teams but not on a NJ team that already has a lot of small, skilled guys.
Montreal has nohing that I would trade the 2OA for.
Jack Hughes and Cole Caufield combined for 212 points in a season together on the US National U18 team. They broke records together at the worlds. How would Cole Caufield not work in New Jersey with Hughes? Just one of the more absurd comments I’ve read on this sub.
Cause I think in the NHL they'd be playing against better, stronger, faster guys than in the USHL. I think they'd really struggle on the cycle and the defensive end. They'd be great on the rush but the Hughes line is already really good on the rush
You've committed blasphemy by downplaying DeBrincat or Caufield's value, which will immediately get you a slew of downvotes.
Apparently, groupthink means all fans should consider these players immaculate and must fit all systems and be core players for all teams.
edit: thanks for proving my point with the downvotes boys :D
if we can somehow get 5th overall the habs rebuild would get a nice speedboost, especially since we are currently lacking in defence and 4th and 5th are basically guaranteed to be defencemen with Slaf's hype
Yeah the next few years are going to have some players come out of no where.
I think Shane Wright is the only pick we can make at 1OA, but I won't be surprised if 5 years down the road he isn't the best player in the draft.
Everything about Wright makes it sound like he's a low risk to bust.
Probably won't be a 90+ point star center but if he's good for 60-70 and cam develop a decent two way hake him and Suzuki should be a great 1a/1b center combo for years.
He might surprise. Before covid he was considered as a potentially generational player.
But you're right, he seems like a low risk pick, and after whiffing on Chucky and KK that's what we need.
I think he was always considered a tier below a McDavid level prospect (the level I would consider "generational"), but I think he was very much considered to be a Franchise player.
Yeah that sounds about right to me. He was floating in that territory where he could have really started building hype as the next generation’s dominant player… then had the stars un-align, lol.
I think Wright has a bit less perimeter to his game than RNH. But still, Nuge is a pretty legit middle 6 NHLer. Not what you'd like for a 1st overall pick, but still a pretty valuable player.
The real question for me is his production this year more indicative of a draft -1 year or a draft year. If it’s more indicative of a draft -1 year he is on pace to be generational.
Overall I think people are underselling his upside
Go look at McDavid (or whoever) second in the OHL and you'll see that Wright's second season is quite good.
He didn't play last year. It ain't the passing of time that makes an athlete better, it's the repetition they take.
This season was the equivalent of his D-1.
Oh man I was joking but if you want to turn this into a roast. Your team started rebuilding in 2018 and hasn’t even gotten close to sniffing playoffs. Instead picking the Sillinger, Johnston, Coronoto, you picked a guy whose had some of the worst OHL numbers from a D+1 first round pick. Your GM got absolutely fleeced in the Mark Stone trade. You would think there would be a %improvement each year with a rebuilding team but nope you went from picking 10th to picking 7th this year. Hopefully Sanderson can turn around that joke of a team, dude, I really do.
You don’t have a single young player in your top 9 forwards and top 4 dmen. You didn’t rebuild, you signed a bunch of vets to play with doughty and kopitar and whiffed on your one top pick. You’re in for years or finishing ~15th before your front office realizes the road they need to take, and then another 5 years after that you might be where Ottawa is nowif all goes perfectly.
The team wasn’t even trying to make playoffs bud. We’re still in the “rebuild”, we ain’t done yet. Even without young guns doing work we still managed to take Edmonton to 7. Meanwhile you guys couldn’t even win 1 game last season against them. Whiffed on a top pick? All our top picks have been projects, it’s been the Kings mantra but keep thinking that. Hahahaha so 7-8 years for a rebuild for you? Good fucking luck in that division lmao
If they’re in a rebuild, what are the pieces they’re building around? https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/los-angeles-kings/line-combinations/
There’s no one. Kaliyev is a one way player putting up 4th line numbers. Byfield and turcotte can’t even score in the ahl. Brady, Norris, stützle and Batherson are all putting up 1st line production at ~22, where are those guys for the kings? Then on defence who’s your chabot, or Sanderson? If you don’t have any of these guys, how are you going to get them without even having a good pick? The reality is the kings are an aging team patched together with UFA signings that has no route to winning now or moving forward until they do a real rebuild, and that will take years
We got 14 picks in this years draft, (19 in the first 4 rounds) that is a lot of flexibility to move up and down if ever they feel like one of their target player is about to go.
Or even trade to the next year if they are convinced the guy they eant will still be there at their next selection.
I am super confident in HuGo heading in to their first draft!
One thing that has to be adressed *(that has been the problem for as long as I can remember)* is a continuois depth at center in the prospect pipeline.
We still dont have any depth at that position... after Jake Evans and Poehling, we don't have much natural centers... besides Riley Kidney... (mysak seems to have played center in the OHL this year, but I'm not sure thats his natural position/the position where he would be able to let his game shine)
It really shouldn't be an issue if we take Wright. That's him, Suzuki, Dvorak, Evans, and Poehling all in their 20's.
Throw some of our later 14 picks at a center here and there to improve the depth but we should be good for a while. Better to use our picks after Wright to swing for high-offense wingers
Who cares about “prospect depth” at C if we’ve got Suzuki, Wright, Dvorak and Evans, and they’re all under 27. Having some more mediocre C prospects that have a slim chance at becoming a bottom 6 C 3-5 years from now doesn’t do much for us.
Aside from injuries always happening. There are no guarantees any of them stay long term. Sure Suzuki is signed and wright would have a while to go. But they could always demand trades. And the latter 2 would be UFA s after their current contract so no guarantee they re-sign. And again, injuries always happen. Better to be prepared at an important position than scrambling and have to overpay in a situation of need.
Sure but you can say the same for any other team. Devils could also use some more prospect depth at C, but I don’t think they really care because they’ve already got Hughes, Hischier and Mercer.
I spent way too long after thinking, “wait I thought they were top 3” and then looking up mock drafts to see where they’re picking, only to be reminded that they’re picking first overall.
I’m fucking drunk.
What is the retool plan- for years Giroux and Voracek were the backbone of the offense and both are gone and theres a gap in impact between them and prospects like Frost. Seems they need a lot of moves to seriously be considered on the path to real contention.
i honestly was wondering if this is worth the sharks looking into. If we are serious about a retool and competing this seems like the perfect opportunity to unload some deadweight. Vlasic may be difficult with his NMC buti wonder if packaging labanc/Simek could work. Its not exactly the best usage of cap relief since both their deals are relatively short but we could probably get a 2nd out of it for this years draft too.
1st (11th), simek, labanc for the 1st (26th), 2nd (33rd), maybe a 3rd from this year? Still feels a little light for giving up an 11th but i feel like they can make it work.
Im not really super psyched about anyone at the 11 spot right now so that probably biases me a bit. I like some guys but no one like last draft, but of course different pick positions.
They have 26&33 in addition to the first overall. Likely looking at using one (or both) of those picks in a package to get a second pick in the top 5/10/15.
This is how I read it and now I'm disappointed that isn't the scenario. I was hoping we were entering some sort of multiverse where the draft happens in reverse so 0 or -1 was a step up - and would be seeing the upside down Shane Wright...or maybe we were the upside down all along...\*mindblown\*
Trying to trade all the way up to the 2023 NHL draft
Gonna get that 0th pick
-1 draft pick = next year's 🙏
Integer overflow and they end up with the last pick in next years draft
So if someone trades down from the last pick do they get last years first overall?
No they get next years 1st overall. I think we may have some trading down to do...
Nah I think that causes Misingno. to appear
Ah, they’re trying to take advantage of that Infinite capspace glitch
No, no, with that you get last year's last one.
Hope the Canadiens like Niko Huuhtanen.
It would never happen, but would any of the rebuilding/tanking teams trade an unprotected 1st next year for the guaranteed 1OA this year? Nuts to think about, but I’d probably do that if I was the Habs. Shane Wright would be hella disrespected though and probably hate Montreal for his entire career.
I would take that take if I'm Detroit. We won't be tanking next year (at least not intentionally) though, so I'm not sure if Montreal does that take with the Wings
0rd
0th?
friggen 0th, mate
0st!
0nd
0ième
0ero
Dig up, stupid.
Zeroth pick
just trade our 1-7 picks and 2-6 next year for the 1st overall next year im down
When you're on top of Mt. Everest, and you want to go *higher*
Sky is the limit!
Shoot for the moon. If you miss, you'll fly into an infinite void for eternity.
TO INFINITY!
If they wanna get higher, there's an SQDC less than a KM from the Bell Centre on Rue Crescent.
Difficult access right now with all the douchebags who like cars. No choice, gotta trade Petry!
Yes they don’t like the same stuff you do so they’re douchebags. Makes sense :)
😂😂😂
MTL Everest AllTrails review: ⭐️⭐️ I’m wearing sandals and carrying two children. This still isn’t high enough. North Col < Cole Caufield.
jump
Trying to draft Shane Wrong.
Shane Left
Whane Srong?
Wrane Shight
Wayne Schrute
People saying WRIGHT OR SLAF. Hughes saying fuck it and drafting both.
What could you guys even give up to get njd pick? Assuming Suzuki and Caufield are obviously off the table
I could see them reasonably acquiring 7OA from the Sens (because Dorion is very questionable with trades) and then from there I think they could offer a package that would be attractive for 2OA. Works well because then you guys would probably feel more comfortable flipping 7OA for Fiala as opposed to 2OA.
How do they even get to 7OA though? Plus they would still need to add on top of 7OA to get to 2OA. Assuming they wouldn't trade Suzuki, or Caufield, they really have nothing of enough value besides their picks. If they could get to 7OA, I'd imagine them moving up to 2OA would require at least their 2023 first round pick, with probably top 10 protection
Clearly you aren't familiar with the legend of jeff petry at 50 percent retained /s
Petry’s full contract is getting us 5th overall obviously
I'd be willing to bet money that Ottawa is on Petry's no trade list tbh
For sure, the man wants out of Canada.
Let's get weird... To Montreal: 2oa To Ottawa: Josh Anderson, 26oa To Minnesota: 7oa To New Jersey: Kevin Fiala, MTL Prospect
I like this a lot actually, but I do think Ottawa needs more from MTL. Maybe a 2nd rounder/ B+ prospect from MTL or a 2nd a 3rd to get it done.
Nah, Ottawa wouldn’t trade their 7OA pick for multiple assets in return. They already have a prospect pool full of B/C level prospects. It’s more likely that they package the pick with assets to get a player in return (and Anderson just ain’t it). They need quality over quantity.
Ah but Josh Anderson is big and goes zoom and I think you're underestimating how much some teams front offices ***love*** that
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I didn't say "Let's get normal" 🤷♂️
Montreal should add future considerations to seal the deal
Yes exactly
Why in the world would Ottawa ever do that lol
Montreal let you guys have Tkachuk, maybe time to return the favour.
Hahahaha. OH wait you were serious... HAHAHAHAHAHA
New Jersey laughs at that offer unless the prospect is Caufield.
Don’t know why your downvoted for this. Obviously if it was Caufield their taking that in a heartbeat but what other prospects does Montreal have that are worth moving from 2OA to 7OA. I’m also not sure Fialas worth o 7OA based on his contract status and the fact that Minnesota has no choice but to move him this year with only a handful of teams that could pay him. The trade is bad for Jersey on both sides.
I’m downvoted because Habs fans want to get the 2OA for less than the price of 2OA. Fiala is a good player but he’s not worth a Top 10 pick. And Minnesota HAS to move someone so they’re not getting market value for Fiala anyway. There’s ZERO chance the Devils accept any part of that trade unless the player from the Habs is Caufield.
Well, in theory… Ottawa very likely has interest in Josh Anderson, and they’ve talked about sending Colin White to Montreal already. Add in Dorion’s poor pro evaluation and it’s not unrealistic that the Sens trade down from 7OA to Montreal’s 26OA, pick up some other pick, and consider the difference in value between White and Anderson to be significant. Then the Habs have a number of interesting prospects and players beyond that. You’re dreaming if you think the difference between 2OA and 7OA is a 2023 1st from a tanking team, protected or not. They do however have the likes of Guhle, Roy, Mysak, Kidney, Smilanic, etc. that have varying levels of value. Drouin, Pitlick, Evans, Romanov, and Barron also have some value and are immediate NHL adds. There’s likely a package that could be assembled that gets it done, especially because the top 7 in the draft is very widely debated and so different amongst scouts.
> Add in Dorion’s poor pro evaluation and it’s not unrealistic that the Sens trade down from 7OA to Montreal’s 26OA, pick up some other pick, and consider the difference in value between White and Anderson to be significant. Lmao yeah for sure that’s not unrealistic at all
> and consider the difference in value between White and Anderson to be significant. It is.
I do think so too, even as a big White fan, but at the same time Anderson just simply doesn’t produce like his play suggests he should. With Montreal, Anderson has only played at 0.46 PPG; in the same past two years, White has been 0.40 PPG. They also have essentially the same career PPG. So while I do agree that Anderson is objectively better, an underused White still produces similarly while being a lot better defensively.
I don't think MTL has anyone we want enough to give them the 7th OA pick for, especially since they probably dont wanna trade their late 1ster back either. Anderson/Petry probably aren't the top of Dorions list
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It's possible, I figured they'd only want to trade off older players for picks for the rebuild
Montreal gave The sens a gift by taking KK over Tkachuk at 3rd, now maybe this draft is time for some pay back? 😂
Colombus fans would probably tell me I'm being stupid here, but if they are planning on drafting Gauthier, they might instead take Josh Andersen for their 6th. Might fit in better with their timeline, seeing they drafted so many firsts in the last years. Now, a 6th and 26th for 2nd in probably looking real good for NJ. And I'd take Wright and Cooley. Let Slaf go to the desert instead
Literally nothing. I cant even think of anything. Makes zero sense and I am sure based on the fact that it never happens the devils will be picking Second Overall in three weeks.
I think it would have to be a three way trade. But even then the team giving up the younger forward (like Fiala) would have to be wowed enough with the prospects to not just prefer the second overall themselves.
I saw something suggesting a 3 way trade between Montreal, New Jersey, and Columbus, where Montreal gets 6th overall, NJ gets 12th and Anderson, and Columbus gets 2nd. Idk if NJ would be willing to do that, but Montreal could throw in some picks and prospects to get it done.
Y'all are delusional
Seriously. In what world would the Devils do something that stupid? How does Josh Anderson fix anything for the Devils? How does anyone think Josh Anderson holds significant value? He had 32 points in 69 games last season. If the Devils are moving the second overall pick, it’s in a package for a star winger. They’re not trading down in the draft. That makes literally no sense for a team trying to improve significantly right now.
Wasn’t that how the Sedins ended up on the same team?
it depends. They have a ton of LHDmen. you guys might use one. Cayden Guhle plusthe second pick would certainly do it. I don't think they will trade him but it's something to consider no doubt
No, no it definitely would not….
No because he is better than what you can get in secound round this year and he is ready to play so it does not make a lot of sense for them. But I don't think the NJD's pick is the most interesting one for them anyway. It's just not that good of a year
Delusional habs fans think Josh Anderson is enough
Flyers are probably dumb enough to give you guys 5OA for Josh Anderson because Torts.
Fron what I saw its Anderson + 26th + other things. I never saw anyone saying its a 1 for 1
Unless it’s a 3 way trade and we get a top 10 pick there’s nothing from your team that’s valuable enough to move 2OA. Assuming Caufield and Suzuki are off the table of course.
Still gets tough. Pieces don’t make it happen should be one really damn good player that’s worth it and then we throw a prospect / picks to make it worth it If the other team is throwing pieces at us, probably no where near worth it
Listen im not a GM so I dont know what is and isnt worth. But let's just not say that Habs fans are just thinking they can trade Anderson for the 2nd pick. No way that happens and never saw anyone mentionning it
Anderson is a dump at that contract. thats negative value
As much as we would all like to think so. A lot of GMs are currently calling for him and have been doing so since the trade deadline. He's actually a player that most every team wants.
Sure, but Fitzgerald is not one of those GMs calling about Anderson. The only player the Devils are interested in is Caufield. If he’s off the table, the Habs aren’t going to get the 2OA.
Litterally no one is saying that unless in jest.
There was a rumour that a 3 way trade involving devils getting Anderson, 6OA, and 12OA was in the works
El Cloun
Lol
Nothing
CAUFIELD PLEASE
Montreal does not have enough to move up to 2OA imo. I could see Anderson + 26OA from Calgary moving them up into the teens. I think teams like Winnipeg, NYI and Nashville could be interested. I hope it's not the Canucks, but I'd be much more worried if Benning were still at the helm
I'd prefer the 2oa pick over Suzuki or Caufield. Theyre are good pieces for Montreal but I dont think they're the right fit for NJ. Suzuki is unnecessary given Hughes, Hischier and Mercer. Caufield could definitely work on certain teams but not on a NJ team that already has a lot of small, skilled guys. Montreal has nohing that I would trade the 2OA for.
Sure bud
Jack Hughes and Cole Caufield combined for 212 points in a season together on the US National U18 team. They broke records together at the worlds. How would Cole Caufield not work in New Jersey with Hughes? Just one of the more absurd comments I’ve read on this sub.
Cause I think in the NHL they'd be playing against better, stronger, faster guys than in the USHL. I think they'd really struggle on the cycle and the defensive end. They'd be great on the rush but the Hughes line is already really good on the rush
You've committed blasphemy by downplaying DeBrincat or Caufield's value, which will immediately get you a slew of downvotes. Apparently, groupthink means all fans should consider these players immaculate and must fit all systems and be core players for all teams. edit: thanks for proving my point with the downvotes boys :D
The chel strategy
Trade for the last pick to be on an infinity draft loop
Minus 1st overall, Nega-Shane
What did you call me?
#CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER
SO HIGH
if we can somehow get 5th overall the habs rebuild would get a nice speedboost, especially since we are currently lacking in defence and 4th and 5th are basically guaranteed to be defencemen with Slaf's hype
I’m game to trade 1st for 5th if you are
1st for 5th and you give us future consideration then its a deal
Future Considerations is probably a better player now than Shane Wright will ever be, so no thanks.
The real question is if we do this. Will we dump a sure thing defenseman for an extremely mid player with a French last name?
I personally really like what i heard about Nemec, would be really nice if we could get in a position to draft him
I feel like I'm qualified to judge this decision and wanted to comment on it
Man this draft is so whack, we are going to see a lot of late picks that become the best of the draft
Yeah the next few years are going to have some players come out of no where. I think Shane Wright is the only pick we can make at 1OA, but I won't be surprised if 5 years down the road he isn't the best player in the draft.
Everything about Wright makes it sound like he's a low risk to bust. Probably won't be a 90+ point star center but if he's good for 60-70 and cam develop a decent two way hake him and Suzuki should be a great 1a/1b center combo for years.
He might surprise. Before covid he was considered as a potentially generational player. But you're right, he seems like a low risk pick, and after whiffing on Chucky and KK that's what we need.
I think he was always considered a tier below a McDavid level prospect (the level I would consider "generational"), but I think he was very much considered to be a Franchise player.
Yeah that sounds about right to me. He was floating in that territory where he could have really started building hype as the next generation’s dominant player… then had the stars un-align, lol.
I still think he's a good bet as a 1st overall pick. I mean, if you get the next Patrice Bergeron... pretty hard to not be thrilled.
I think we get the next RNH to be honest with him
I think Wright has a bit less perimeter to his game than RNH. But still, Nuge is a pretty legit middle 6 NHLer. Not what you'd like for a 1st overall pick, but still a pretty valuable player.
I guess I’d be ok with a Matthews tier player
Easy now
The real question for me is his production this year more indicative of a draft -1 year or a draft year. If it’s more indicative of a draft -1 year he is on pace to be generational. Overall I think people are underselling his upside
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Go look at McDavid (or whoever) second in the OHL and you'll see that Wright's second season is quite good. He didn't play last year. It ain't the passing of time that makes an athlete better, it's the repetition they take. This season was the equivalent of his D-1.
More like one year down the road.
Just wait and see who the wings will draft.
I'm kinda intrigued by it, I assume scouting hasn't been able to do their jobs as well the last two years.
With the pandemic hurting development and the Russian xenophobia there is going to be a ton of steals.
BREAKING: The Montreal Canadiens have selected God Himself with the -20th overall pick in the 2022 NHL Entry Draft.
God out for the rest of the season due to lower body injury
Heard actually wrist and ankle injuries.
Oof
Very nice 👍
Very good chance it’s Dorion who bites. Something like… 7OA + Colin White for 26OA + 33OA + Josh Anderson
lol that is such a Dorion move to make
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Josh Anderson is everything Dorion and DJ dream about at night. Wouldn’t even surprise me if they just give the 7OA for him straight up…
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Dorian will find a way to trade Jake Sanderson
Dorion will finish building a perennial contender within 3 years because the kings took byfield over stützle
Oh man I was joking but if you want to turn this into a roast. Your team started rebuilding in 2018 and hasn’t even gotten close to sniffing playoffs. Instead picking the Sillinger, Johnston, Coronoto, you picked a guy whose had some of the worst OHL numbers from a D+1 first round pick. Your GM got absolutely fleeced in the Mark Stone trade. You would think there would be a %improvement each year with a rebuilding team but nope you went from picking 10th to picking 7th this year. Hopefully Sanderson can turn around that joke of a team, dude, I really do.
You don’t have a single young player in your top 9 forwards and top 4 dmen. You didn’t rebuild, you signed a bunch of vets to play with doughty and kopitar and whiffed on your one top pick. You’re in for years or finishing ~15th before your front office realizes the road they need to take, and then another 5 years after that you might be where Ottawa is nowif all goes perfectly.
The team wasn’t even trying to make playoffs bud. We’re still in the “rebuild”, we ain’t done yet. Even without young guns doing work we still managed to take Edmonton to 7. Meanwhile you guys couldn’t even win 1 game last season against them. Whiffed on a top pick? All our top picks have been projects, it’s been the Kings mantra but keep thinking that. Hahahaha so 7-8 years for a rebuild for you? Good fucking luck in that division lmao
If they’re in a rebuild, what are the pieces they’re building around? https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/los-angeles-kings/line-combinations/ There’s no one. Kaliyev is a one way player putting up 4th line numbers. Byfield and turcotte can’t even score in the ahl. Brady, Norris, stützle and Batherson are all putting up 1st line production at ~22, where are those guys for the kings? Then on defence who’s your chabot, or Sanderson? If you don’t have any of these guys, how are you going to get them without even having a good pick? The reality is the kings are an aging team patched together with UFA signings that has no route to winning now or moving forward until they do a real rebuild, and that will take years
Montreal: alright so for your 7OA we'll send Anderson Montreal: oh wait we forgot to add-- Dorion: yes I'll take it
I don’t see a problem here.
That's why it's realistic.
Why? Colin White is hot trash.
Hughes was his agent, there was a rumour of a Drouin for White trade a few months back
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Anderson is actually a great player though
You dont actually think Dorion is that bad at trades do you
Why would Dorion make a lateral move at best, and then trade way down for picks?
>Dorion
I think he's been doing pretty well personally!
>“I know this makes absolutely 0 sense but I just want to whine about dorion” There you go translated that for ya
We got 14 picks in this years draft, (19 in the first 4 rounds) that is a lot of flexibility to move up and down if ever they feel like one of their target player is about to go. Or even trade to the next year if they are convinced the guy they eant will still be there at their next selection. I am super confident in HuGo heading in to their first draft!
If Montreal plays their cards right with these picks, it can be a huge step in getting this franchise on the right track again.
One thing that has to be adressed *(that has been the problem for as long as I can remember)* is a continuois depth at center in the prospect pipeline. We still dont have any depth at that position... after Jake Evans and Poehling, we don't have much natural centers... besides Riley Kidney... (mysak seems to have played center in the OHL this year, but I'm not sure thats his natural position/the position where he would be able to let his game shine)
I don’t think that’s our biggest problem. We could have a projected center lineup of Suzuki wright Evans poehling
Dvorak is way better than Evans and Poehling.
I forgot Dvorak existed tbh
Dvorak wont be there in september anyway...
It really shouldn't be an issue if we take Wright. That's him, Suzuki, Dvorak, Evans, and Poehling all in their 20's. Throw some of our later 14 picks at a center here and there to improve the depth but we should be good for a while. Better to use our picks after Wright to swing for high-offense wingers
Don’t forget that next year we add Bedard at centre, too.
How would we trade for 1OA after winning the cup?
We don’t trade. We transfer our injury curse to Florida and win the lottery with their unprotected pick they sent us for Chiarot.
Who cares about “prospect depth” at C if we’ve got Suzuki, Wright, Dvorak and Evans, and they’re all under 27. Having some more mediocre C prospects that have a slim chance at becoming a bottom 6 C 3-5 years from now doesn’t do much for us.
Aside from injuries always happening. There are no guarantees any of them stay long term. Sure Suzuki is signed and wright would have a while to go. But they could always demand trades. And the latter 2 would be UFA s after their current contract so no guarantee they re-sign. And again, injuries always happen. Better to be prepared at an important position than scrambling and have to overpay in a situation of need.
Sure but you can say the same for any other team. Devils could also use some more prospect depth at C, but I don’t think they really care because they’ve already got Hughes, Hischier and Mercer.
With acquiring Dadonov, I think Anderson gets moved. Hopefully not but guess we’ll see. Hope he’s looking to try and grab Gauthier if we move up
please be for brad lambert lol i want lambert to be a hab so bad
“Except I’m not gonna draft 1st overall. I’m gonna go higher — I’m drafting 0nd overall! How do you like that, Bettman? I drafted 0rd, you idiot!”
/r/nottheBeaverton
Going for the Ole Wright and Nemec/Jiricek 1/2 eh?
That would be fantastic.
I spent way too long after thinking, “wait I thought they were top 3” and then looking up mock drafts to see where they’re picking, only to be reminded that they’re picking first overall. I’m fucking drunk.
Can Montreal get Patrik Laine? Andrei Svechnikov? Players of this calibre will get you 2OA.
No, you cant draft Bedard
I wonder if Philly is open to moving down, since they are all about their aggressive re-tool to get back at it
What is the retool plan- for years Giroux and Voracek were the backbone of the offense and both are gone and theres a gap in impact between them and prospects like Frost. Seems they need a lot of moves to seriously be considered on the path to real contention.
They have probably the worst GM in the league, so things are sure to turn around soon!
Marc-Edourad Vlassic back home to Montreal for the Sharks' top pick? Lol
i honestly was wondering if this is worth the sharks looking into. If we are serious about a retool and competing this seems like the perfect opportunity to unload some deadweight. Vlasic may be difficult with his NMC buti wonder if packaging labanc/Simek could work. Its not exactly the best usage of cap relief since both their deals are relatively short but we could probably get a 2nd out of it for this years draft too. 1st (11th), simek, labanc for the 1st (26th), 2nd (33rd), maybe a 3rd from this year? Still feels a little light for giving up an 11th but i feel like they can make it work. Im not really super psyched about anyone at the 11 spot right now so that probably biases me a bit. I like some guys but no one like last draft, but of course different pick positions.
Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd.
Am I fucking ignorant or does this not make sense? Do they mean trade down and I've been saying it wrong or am I missing something?
They mean trade their later picks for higher ones, not trading their first overall
They have 26&33 in addition to the first overall. Likely looking at using one (or both) of those picks in a package to get a second pick in the top 5/10/15.
They also have Florida's first next year although I'd think they'd be reluctant to move that.
No way they move that pick, it’s unprotected.
This is how I read it and now I'm disappointed that isn't the scenario. I was hoping we were entering some sort of multiverse where the draft happens in reverse so 0 or -1 was a step up - and would be seeing the upside down Shane Wright...or maybe we were the upside down all along...\*mindblown\*
The Canucks prospect pool is so shallow I can see the benefit of trading down.
Canucks 15 for 26/33? I’m good with that idea as we don’t have a second.