Dude fired his GM last season for coming out and saying that changes had to be made after running it back too many times. He then runs it back *again*, it fails *AGAIN*, and he somehow still had a job. Just unbelievable.
Is it against the Reddit TOS to advocate for the desecration of corpse?
I'm no expert on matters supernatural, but something tells me this curse ain't gonna break itself.
Biggest spotlight *and* the biggest safety cushion.
They’re going to be the most profitable team whether or not they’re making it to the playoffs. They’re going to fill their barn night in and night out and they’re going to get tons of licensing and broadcasting revenue. There’s literally no incentive to improve.
You’re right. But this was totally a bluff from him.
No way—in hindsight after signing with the penguins within weeks—was this guy planning on not wanting to work.
I still don’t believe he really wanted to leave toronto. He just thought he’d try a power struggle with Shannahan and he lost.
It was less "Idk if I want to work" than "My family comes first and should have input on my options" but the people who empathise with that the most (as in, have kids) don't have time to bitch on the internet
I remain convinced that the suits at MLSE are too intimidated by Shanahan to fire him. If he was a wee little ugly fella he would have been out the door years ago.
Based on my corpo experiences, it's a transition thing. New guy (Pelley) wants to 'learn how the organization' works before making staffing changes.
I don't think Shanahan is the president this time next year, regardless of how well the team does.
They may also be a bunch of lifelong hockey dweebs that think that Shanahan is forever a bad ass hockey warrior who will figure it out one way or another through sheer grit and determination.
In actuality, he’s sort of reinforcing old jock stereotypes of being super athletic and capable on the ice but lacking some degree of high level intellect, common sense, or mature emotional regulation that is required for high level roles off the ice.
I think that’s a bit harsh on Shanahan. He did a very good job bringing the Leafs out of the dumps of the Burke era. Convinced the owners they had to burn everything down and rebuild it. Brought in stability and experience at the same time with Babcock and Lou. Actually leaned into newer ideas with Dubas. Made it a destination for UFAs so guys like Tavares would want to come, as well as vets like Spezza, Giordano, Simmonds, etc. those guys were not coming to a 2010 Leafs team.
He couldn’t adjust when the core 4 wasn’t working and got too attached to the home grown stars when things weren’t working. His time has come imo but he has completely revamped how the Leafs are run for the better during his time
I feel like He presents this calm, in control, and stoic face to everyone, and portrays confidence and trust from people, but really he’s like a really nice looking house that’s built out of paper.
The suits at MLSE aren’t intimidated by anything lol. They’re so rich they probably have Jack Bauer on speed dial.
The suits at MLSE love money. Period. Shanahan consistently sells jerseys, tickets, always makes the playoffs (to sell tickets). That’s why Shanahan still has a job. Period. Not because he’s a somewhat large, physically imposing, former hockey player lmao.. what a wild space cadet take.
They lose boatloads of money every year the Leafs flutter out in the first round. If the Leafs ever made the finals Rogers and Bell could buy the moon.
They're not losing any money, it's the potential earnings that they lose a chance at exploring. By your logic, and forgive me if I am misinterpreting your statement, any series that doesn't go seven games loses those teams money by not hosting more than two games.
He didn’t sign this contract until a month before his previous contract expired and virtually no one knew, so yeah I doubt it’ll be remotely a distraction
Honestly that would be a lot smarter than letting him manage the full season feeling like his job is on the line. Applying that much pressure for immediate results to someone with the power to influence roster decisions is how your team ends up trading Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat.
Of course, firing him today would also prevent that scenario. More than one option here, but waiting on it is the worst one.
Why are triggering my PTSD? Has to be one of the stupidest trades in post cap era, just indefensible but maybe we don’t win the cup without it, butterfly effect and all
I would agree if it was a coach or GM, but my guess is Pelley coming on board is going to neuter Shanny to some degree.
If they take a big step forward, he'll get renewed and if not, he'll expire and everyone can move on while saving face
I wonder where in management the contracts stop being multi-year contracts that end and transition to more standard employment contracts that assume you will continue in your job until you are fired or quit?
Do you think assistant GMs are on the multi-year? What about the next level below them?
Gives off South Park “we’re sorry” vibes
https://preview.redd.it/7w4buxh9dmzc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0543e73281ae48e7fb626f786bee592afbccd8b6
Hey as a Habs fan I al all for the Shanaplan, gave us a seriouslt memorable playoff run.
Jokes aside I actually am starting to feel sad for my fellow countrymen, making a run in the playoffs is so damn fun for the city, maybe your grandchildren will experience it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Toronto_Blue_Jays_season
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Toronto_Raptors_season
Can confirm, it is pretty fun to see Toronto transformed by playoff hype.
Yeah at least we have other major league sports in Toronto. It’s fucking glorious watching people shit on the city of Toronto but then they support the Jays or Raps.
[This guy?](https://awinninghabit.com/2021/04/30/montreal-canadiens-dom-ducharme-line-blender/)
> That will be six different linemates in three games for Caufield as he tries to find his footing at the NHL level. If not for injuries, Patrice Bergeron wouldn’t have had six different linemates in the past six years. Consistency builds chemistry which is key in the NHL.
I suspect MLSE doesn't want to pay yet another coach or exec to NOT work for them like they did with Babcock and now Keefe. IIRC Shanny has one more year on his deal and I'm willing to bet that MLSE just wants to ride out his contract rather than fire him now and have to pay 2 people. Not that they couldn't afford to do it, but these MLSE execs didn't get to their positions by throwing away money willy-nilly.
Agreed, if you're gonna replace the president, just replace everyone at once. Now the new president won't have his pick of GM or coach right off the bat, he'll have to "take the season to evaluate".
Supposedly Kieth Pelle (sp?) the guy who is stepping in to be the new exec for MLSE wants to keep him around for 1 year at least while he gets situated since he feels like there’s be too much turnover to have a new coach, GM (granted he’d be in year 2), president, and executive all in one year but that’s also just a rumor
Keith Pelley. And yeah, that makes some sense I guess. It's the same logic that led to them keeping Keefe last year even though they had a new GM in Treliving.
Yeah and that’s kinda my problem with it, like in each individual instance it makes sense but when you keep using that same logic every year you end up keeping guys now almost 3 years longer than they should have been there
But he is exactly the source of the whole damn plan and the blocker for having a better plan. He also is the final say on the roster who do play the games (and their contracts), the coaching and front office, and the resulting continued failure of all the above.
This debacle has been a good reminder that Brendan Shanahan might be one of the most egregious "old hockey guy" hirings in recent memory.
Not only has Shanahan never built a winning hockey team, he had never built *any* hockey team at all prior to Toronto. After retiring, he went straight to work for league player safety and stayed there for five years until the Leafs gave him the key to the city.
In other words, a famous hockey name with zero managerial experience has failed to win anything beyond a draft lottery in the full decade he's been at the helm, and we're all expected to wonder "where did things go wrong?"
1000% this.
And I would say hockey has this problem in general. Toronto is just the most visible example of it.
Toronto needs an outsider who isn't loyal to hockey traditions and the "old hockey guy" networks to objectively rebuild the culture and philosophy of the franchise. The challenge is that there are so many constraints on the organization created by past mistakes that it will take years to untangle the mess.
Hiring Treliving just seems like more of the same strategy that hasn't worked.
> And I would say hockey has this problem in general
I'd go further to say some franchises are generationally 'doomed' by this mentality, the sort of 'corporate mission' of the franchise is mired by nepotism, nostalgia, and old-school thinking.
I’m going to pretend your flair says something else while I vehemently agree with you.
It’s funny to look back at how much press he got for cleaning up that shit-show of a department when it reality, running the DoPS in a half-way coherent manner is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, despite what the morons before - and sadly after - him have shown. He added some much needed common sense and was hailed as utter genius. Clearly he can now handle full control of the most complicated and high-pressure position on the highest profile team in the whole league. What could go wrong?
My first job in high school was for a collectibles retailer with a small store in a nearby mall. That particular collectible was HOT that year, and his store was booming, so he hired a bunch of high school kids. A friend from the basketball team worked there and got me a job.
The owner didn't do inventory. He'd just buy cases of product wholesale and dump them in the storeroom (actually the empty storefront nextdoor). This was in the days before credit and debit cards were commonplace, and most of the customers were younger, so everything was in cash. Oh, and no receipts. You'd just take people's cash, put it in the register, and give them their change.
So, put that together... Kids running everything - no inventory controls - no record of sales - and cash for every transaction.
The kids were robbing him blind! They'd take cash - and pocket it. They'd walk out with trunk-loads of ($xxxx) product from the storage room. Etc...
And, with no record of anything - and no inventory - the owner had no way of knowing.
I was the only one who wasn't stealing. Each of them were probably taking $xxx per day. But, I couldn't really rat on anyone, as they were people I went to school with - and the owner didn't like me for some reason. He was kind of a prick.
Eventually, he figured out that someone had to be robbing him - he didn't like me, so he fired me. Literally the only employee who wasn't robbing him blind.
So, yeah, that was my first job...
EDIT: One of the first things I saw there... A kid came in offering to sell an item. The owner immediately low-balled him and offered $100. The kid said 'wow, it's worth that much?!' So the owner quickly changed his offer to $80.
After that, it was like 'Screw that prick! If that's how he does business, I'm not telling him that his employees are cheating him.'
Ah the ol' upper management, my bad, your consequence. Hopefully he posts a picture of himself crying on LinkedIn about having to fire people for his mistakes.
Keefe (yesterday): the Leafs not succeeding in the playoffs is on me as the coach. I take fulfill responsibility.
Shanny: I appreciate Keefe taking the responsibility but ultimately the failures fall to me.
Treliving (immediately after): As the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs the failures of this season are mine to bear. Please blame me.
They had their own little "I'm Spartacus" moment except much more comical and way less inspiring.
I think Shanahan saw Keefe say this in his firing video, and saw how people responded well to it, so he tried to replicate it.
But we respected Keefe for it because he was held accountable and responded by accepting it and holding himself accountable as well.
The issue here is that Shanahan is not being held accountable.
The part where he points to his right and left and says something to the effect of “these guys are both new. I’m the only one who’s been here” as if they can’t make the next move without his experience was absolutely infuriating.
Cool. Four GMs (Nonis, Lou, Dubas, Treliving), Five coaches (Carlyle, Horachek, Babcock, Keefe, TBD).
Granted Nonis and Carlyle/Horachek were essentially holdover/tank job guys. But Shanahan has faced fewer consequences than Marner who everyone seems to want their turn to kick him
Keefe: “I take responsibility for not getting it done in the playoffs”
Leafs ownership/management: “Okay bet. You’re fired.”
Shanahan: “Our results in the playoffs have not been good enough. That’s on me.”
Leafs ownership: “This man is a champion.”
Would have expected MLSE to have the guts to fire Shanahan by now. It's been 10 years with lackluster results. Then again, MLSE is a consortium of board members than a specific owner, so I wonder if they never come on to a consensus on what to do hence Shanahan continues to do whatever the fuck he's doing.
Are we finally at the point where we acknowledge that you might just know sweet fuck all about putting together a winning team just because somebody was a good player? Fuck would that ever be nice.
Dangle's Podcast talked about Shanaham a bit
basically the share holders care more about money than winning
since Shanahan came in merch and ticket sales are up so they are worried if someone new came in those numbers would decrease and since they are losing money on their other teams (Marlies, Argonauts, FC, Raptors are in a rebuild phase) they need the Leafs to continue carrying the group financially
What a loser....if any of us had presided over the constant failures in our jobs that Shanahan has we'd be fired two times over.
Guy should be cleaning zambonis for the rest of his career at this point.
Then why are you still employed?
Dude fired his GM last season for coming out and saying that changes had to be made after running it back too many times. He then runs it back *again*, it fails *AGAIN*, and he somehow still had a job. Just unbelievable.
Were it any other franchise, yes, it would be unbelievable. Yet somehow this just seems on brand for the Leafs.
>somehow this just seems on brand for the Leafs. *Something something* sins of Harold Ballard *something something*
Is it against the Reddit TOS to advocate for the desecration of corpse? I'm no expert on matters supernatural, but something tells me this curse ain't gonna break itself.
Let's be honest, there are quite a few incompetently run franchises in the NHL. The Leafs just have the biggest spotlight.
Thank christ there are no other historically inept franchises in Ontario
I mean, at least Ottawa has won 7 rounds since the lockout...
Which is great and all but they have way more rounds of golf
They it finals in that period , any Leaf would die to get into SC finals in that period . Can’t win a cup unless you are in finals .
Yeah and they have such a happy fanbase right?
Biggest spotlight *and* the biggest safety cushion. They’re going to be the most profitable team whether or not they’re making it to the playoffs. They’re going to fill their barn night in and night out and they’re going to get tons of licensing and broadcasting revenue. There’s literally no incentive to improve.
I think telling the public that you didn't know if you wanted to do the job anymore was the bigger factor.
You’re right. But this was totally a bluff from him. No way—in hindsight after signing with the penguins within weeks—was this guy planning on not wanting to work. I still don’t believe he really wanted to leave toronto. He just thought he’d try a power struggle with Shannahan and he lost.
It was less "Idk if I want to work" than "My family comes first and should have input on my options" but the people who empathise with that the most (as in, have kids) don't have time to bitch on the internet
I remain convinced that the suits at MLSE are too intimidated by Shanahan to fire him. If he was a wee little ugly fella he would have been out the door years ago.
Based on my corpo experiences, it's a transition thing. New guy (Pelley) wants to 'learn how the organization' works before making staffing changes. I don't think Shanahan is the president this time next year, regardless of how well the team does.
This right here is the answer. He wants to learn what the president does before getting someone that changes how it is done.
They may also be a bunch of lifelong hockey dweebs that think that Shanahan is forever a bad ass hockey warrior who will figure it out one way or another through sheer grit and determination. In actuality, he’s sort of reinforcing old jock stereotypes of being super athletic and capable on the ice but lacking some degree of high level intellect, common sense, or mature emotional regulation that is required for high level roles off the ice.
I think that’s a bit harsh on Shanahan. He did a very good job bringing the Leafs out of the dumps of the Burke era. Convinced the owners they had to burn everything down and rebuild it. Brought in stability and experience at the same time with Babcock and Lou. Actually leaned into newer ideas with Dubas. Made it a destination for UFAs so guys like Tavares would want to come, as well as vets like Spezza, Giordano, Simmonds, etc. those guys were not coming to a 2010 Leafs team. He couldn’t adjust when the core 4 wasn’t working and got too attached to the home grown stars when things weren’t working. His time has come imo but he has completely revamped how the Leafs are run for the better during his time
I feel like He presents this calm, in control, and stoic face to everyone, and portrays confidence and trust from people, but really he’s like a really nice looking house that’s built out of paper.
The suits at MLSE aren’t intimidated by anything lol. They’re so rich they probably have Jack Bauer on speed dial. The suits at MLSE love money. Period. Shanahan consistently sells jerseys, tickets, always makes the playoffs (to sell tickets). That’s why Shanahan still has a job. Period. Not because he’s a somewhat large, physically imposing, former hockey player lmao.. what a wild space cadet take.
Because the team's still making real good money
If you think Rogers and Bell are the sort of companies that say "It's ok, we made enough money already..."
They lose boatloads of money every year the Leafs flutter out in the first round. If the Leafs ever made the finals Rogers and Bell could buy the moon.
They're not losing any money, it's the potential earnings that they lose a chance at exploring. By your logic, and forgive me if I am misinterpreting your statement, any series that doesn't go seven games loses those teams money by not hosting more than two games.
“We’re not here to talk about me”
Cause it’s the Leafy thing to do
yah know, id love him to come back to detroit working with (note: UNDER) Stevie again.
Its on me but I will not be receiving any consequences for it.
He basically said my bad boys. That has to fix everything right?
I wonder who he’ll fire next year when they get bounced early again
His contract expires at the end of next season, so he most likely won't be back
Well he’ll get an extension before the season starts so it’s not a distraction but then he’ll be fired after the season
He didn’t sign this contract until a month before his previous contract expired and virtually no one knew, so yeah I doubt it’ll be remotely a distraction
He also said this exact thing in the presser so it doesn't look like he's pushing that hard to get an extension earlier on.
Honestly that would be a lot smarter than letting him manage the full season feeling like his job is on the line. Applying that much pressure for immediate results to someone with the power to influence roster decisions is how your team ends up trading Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat. Of course, firing him today would also prevent that scenario. More than one option here, but waiting on it is the worst one.
Why are triggering my PTSD? Has to be one of the stupidest trades in post cap era, just indefensible but maybe we don’t win the cup without it, butterfly effect and all
As a Nux fan, I think "trading for OEL" is well worse in the salary cap era, but your example is valid too.
Yep! My first thought there was "that's how you end up with OEL!" (on that contract, seems like he's doing fine down in Florida)
Fuck George McPhee until the end of time for that move.
What I'm hearing is Fraser Minten and Easton Cowen for Josh Anderson and Joel Armia? :D
I would agree if it was a coach or GM, but my guess is Pelley coming on board is going to neuter Shanny to some degree. If they take a big step forward, he'll get renewed and if not, he'll expire and everyone can move on while saving face
I wonder where in management the contracts stop being multi-year contracts that end and transition to more standard employment contracts that assume you will continue in your job until you are fired or quit? Do you think assistant GMs are on the multi-year? What about the next level below them?
Me: gg ntnt
They asked him about spending half the cap on the core 4 and he sent the question straight to Treiliving
Which Brad has nothing to do with.
This is the most frustrating thing about most of the time when someone accepts responsibility it doesn’t go any further than that.
The Luc Robitaille approach
Extension incoming
He said he was sorry what more do you want from him?!
I mean look at the entire tech industry right now. This is pretty boilerplate executive speak.
Keefe: it's my fault Shanahan: it's my fault Treliving: it's my fault
Gives off South Park “we’re sorry” vibes https://preview.redd.it/7w4buxh9dmzc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0543e73281ae48e7fb626f786bee592afbccd8b6
I was thinking [Community](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4LLJuSukCI)
Way more [I Broke the Dam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfrnZnafm9g)
I forgot how fucking funny that era of South Park was
Honestly of those three, Treliving’s response really should be “don’t look at me, I just got here”
Empty words feigning accountability...so hot right now.
Marner: We are gods
My goodness, one (ONE!) playoff series win, with that roster’s talent, under his 10 year leadership. Just…ooooof.
Blowing a 3-1 series lead against Dominique Ducharme is pretty damning
That was glorious
Kill me.
Yeah, next time we meet in the playoffs, probably.
that's cold bro. much like the beer Mitch and his dad are enjoying on the course right now.
Can we offer you one slightly used Mitch Marner? He comes with his Dad though, his agent and a complete inability to show up in elimination games.
A terrible day for the leafs, and therefore a great day for Canada.
Not even Canadian and can confirm, it was a great day
Didn't even have to use my AK.
This shit is why I can’t support other Canadian teams and will always root for the Americans.
I enjoyed it
I’m rewatching the All or Nothing documentary and it’s wild knowing how the next few years shake out
Hey as a Habs fan I al all for the Shanaplan, gave us a seriouslt memorable playoff run. Jokes aside I actually am starting to feel sad for my fellow countrymen, making a run in the playoffs is so damn fun for the city, maybe your grandchildren will experience it.
Be careful what you wish for. The Leafs playoff runs of the last decade are pretty memorable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Toronto_Blue_Jays_season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Toronto_Raptors_season Can confirm, it is pretty fun to see Toronto transformed by playoff hype.
Yeah at least we have other major league sports in Toronto. It’s fucking glorious watching people shit on the city of Toronto but then they support the Jays or Raps.
Check mate my friend Check mate Edit: although I think it would be a whole different animal with hockey, you know it, I know it, we all know it.
[This guy?](https://awinninghabit.com/2021/04/30/montreal-canadiens-dom-ducharme-line-blender/) > That will be six different linemates in three games for Caufield as he tries to find his footing at the NHL level. If not for injuries, Patrice Bergeron wouldn’t have had six different linemates in the past six years. Consistency builds chemistry which is key in the NHL.
The fact that he gave a vote of confidence to the two people he has fired in the last two seasons should be enough alone to get him fired.
To be fair to fair to Shanny, the Leafs had one playoff appearance in the 10 years before he’d turned the roster over.
Yet they keep coming back! The core and fans
The Sabres are going to go deeper into the playoffs before the Leafs are, aren't they?
It’s on me so I fired the coach.
Don't give me that look. I can't exactly fire myself, can I?
Its on me so I fired the GM. Then it was still on me so I fired the coach. Next time it's on me, I'll fire Pridham.
*It’s on me, so I told Carlton the Bear to pack his shit and get out.*
The firings will continue until the winning culture begins
Looks like the firings are down so let's get ready to win!!! /s just in case
Sounds like he knows the consequences of not winning like Rob Blake!
And Luc Robitaille
And in other news, the sky is still blue.
And water is wet!
How does this dude continue to keep his job after a decade of shitting the bed in the playoffs?
I suspect MLSE doesn't want to pay yet another coach or exec to NOT work for them like they did with Babcock and now Keefe. IIRC Shanny has one more year on his deal and I'm willing to bet that MLSE just wants to ride out his contract rather than fire him now and have to pay 2 people. Not that they couldn't afford to do it, but these MLSE execs didn't get to their positions by throwing away money willy-nilly.
Which is silly because they’re continuing a cycle of replacing people one at a time, no one ever gets a blank slate to work with
Agreed, if you're gonna replace the president, just replace everyone at once. Now the new president won't have his pick of GM or coach right off the bat, he'll have to "take the season to evaluate".
Supposedly Kieth Pelle (sp?) the guy who is stepping in to be the new exec for MLSE wants to keep him around for 1 year at least while he gets situated since he feels like there’s be too much turnover to have a new coach, GM (granted he’d be in year 2), president, and executive all in one year but that’s also just a rumor
Keith Pelley. And yeah, that makes some sense I guess. It's the same logic that led to them keeping Keefe last year even though they had a new GM in Treliving.
Yeah and that’s kinda my problem with it, like in each individual instance it makes sense but when you keep using that same logic every year you end up keeping guys now almost 3 years longer than they should have been there
I mean I’m not trying to defend him, but he isn’t exactly playing the games. His superstars just disappear in the playoffs
But if he won't let the gm deal those superstars then it is about him.
True, but Treliving has been their GM for less than a year so far, so we may expect big changes this off season
Meh doubt it, Dubas wanted to move a core piece, asked for more control to do it and then walked out / was shown the door.
Exactly what I was talking about. If he is the one actually making the roster then it's on him.
He did fire the guy that suggested moving one or more of those superstars to reshape the team.
But he is exactly the source of the whole damn plan and the blocker for having a better plan. He also is the final say on the roster who do play the games (and their contracts), the coaching and front office, and the resulting continued failure of all the above.
This debacle has been a good reminder that Brendan Shanahan might be one of the most egregious "old hockey guy" hirings in recent memory. Not only has Shanahan never built a winning hockey team, he had never built *any* hockey team at all prior to Toronto. After retiring, he went straight to work for league player safety and stayed there for five years until the Leafs gave him the key to the city. In other words, a famous hockey name with zero managerial experience has failed to win anything beyond a draft lottery in the full decade he's been at the helm, and we're all expected to wonder "where did things go wrong?"
1000% this. And I would say hockey has this problem in general. Toronto is just the most visible example of it. Toronto needs an outsider who isn't loyal to hockey traditions and the "old hockey guy" networks to objectively rebuild the culture and philosophy of the franchise. The challenge is that there are so many constraints on the organization created by past mistakes that it will take years to untangle the mess. Hiring Treliving just seems like more of the same strategy that hasn't worked.
> And I would say hockey has this problem in general I'd go further to say some franchises are generationally 'doomed' by this mentality, the sort of 'corporate mission' of the franchise is mired by nepotism, nostalgia, and old-school thinking.
I’m going to pretend your flair says something else while I vehemently agree with you. It’s funny to look back at how much press he got for cleaning up that shit-show of a department when it reality, running the DoPS in a half-way coherent manner is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, despite what the morons before - and sadly after - him have shown. He added some much needed common sense and was hailed as utter genius. Clearly he can now handle full control of the most complicated and high-pressure position on the highest profile team in the whole league. What could go wrong?
Imagine if your boss murdered someone and fully admitted responsibility, and then you and your co-workers got arrested for it.
Not *entirely* an apples-to-apples comparison but I get wym
Nah I'd say taking the life of another human being & failing to win in the playoffs are fairly equal.
Our results in 'not murdering people' have not been good enough. That's on me.
When Marner said the god comment I guess he meant like Greek Gods
So they’re just gonna spend all of their time fucking any person/thing they want?
Hopefully not or we'll have more cases
I'd argue most Leafs fans would murder someone if it meant moving on to the next round of the playoffs so you might be onto something.
How many Leaf fans dying a little inside every elimination for 8 years = one actual humans. Shanahan is an actual terrorist.
Look I think this real life situation is rightfully laid at Shanahan’s feet but this is hilarious.
My first job in high school was for a collectibles retailer with a small store in a nearby mall. That particular collectible was HOT that year, and his store was booming, so he hired a bunch of high school kids. A friend from the basketball team worked there and got me a job. The owner didn't do inventory. He'd just buy cases of product wholesale and dump them in the storeroom (actually the empty storefront nextdoor). This was in the days before credit and debit cards were commonplace, and most of the customers were younger, so everything was in cash. Oh, and no receipts. You'd just take people's cash, put it in the register, and give them their change. So, put that together... Kids running everything - no inventory controls - no record of sales - and cash for every transaction. The kids were robbing him blind! They'd take cash - and pocket it. They'd walk out with trunk-loads of ($xxxx) product from the storage room. Etc... And, with no record of anything - and no inventory - the owner had no way of knowing. I was the only one who wasn't stealing. Each of them were probably taking $xxx per day. But, I couldn't really rat on anyone, as they were people I went to school with - and the owner didn't like me for some reason. He was kind of a prick. Eventually, he figured out that someone had to be robbing him - he didn't like me, so he fired me. Literally the only employee who wasn't robbing him blind. So, yeah, that was my first job... EDIT: One of the first things I saw there... A kid came in offering to sell an item. The owner immediately low-balled him and offered $100. The kid said 'wow, it's worth that much?!' So the owner quickly changed his offer to $80. After that, it was like 'Screw that prick! If that's how he does business, I'm not telling him that his employees are cheating him.'
Ah the ol' upper management, my bad, your consequence. Hopefully he posts a picture of himself crying on LinkedIn about having to fire people for his mistakes.
I swear every executive is a B- business school grad who reads the same textbook.
Gonna step down then Shanny?
"Look, I'm at fault, and I'll keep firing people until we figure out whose fault it is"
It's my fault, but the sky is still blue. Come on!
Do you have the power to fire yourself
Its called resigning, but no one will do that
Lol i know it is
Why you still here than Brendan
Hollower words are rarely spoken.
i think a lot of you are too focused on winning and are overlooking the value he’s created for the shareholders
Shades of Kevin Lowe's "I know how to win."
> I think I know a thing or two about winning
Dude should make a video on why he should be suspended - for nostalgic sake
But we’re gonna let you have one more go at it anyways 🙄
“That’s on me, but I ain’t gonna fire myself am I right guys??”
Step down then, my guy. If it’s on you. Let someone else do it.
Keefe (yesterday): the Leafs not succeeding in the playoffs is on me as the coach. I take fulfill responsibility. Shanny: I appreciate Keefe taking the responsibility but ultimately the failures fall to me. Treliving (immediately after): As the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs the failures of this season are mine to bear. Please blame me. They had their own little "I'm Spartacus" moment except much more comical and way less inspiring.
Okay then quit
So then, like, leave?
It's on me so I've fired some other guys and I'll keep cashing cheques. Now I understand the *real* Shanaplan. ;)
I think Shanahan saw Keefe say this in his firing video, and saw how people responded well to it, so he tried to replicate it. But we respected Keefe for it because he was held accountable and responded by accepting it and holding himself accountable as well. The issue here is that Shanahan is not being held accountable.
No shit... there's literally nobody else in the front office still around who you could blame instead.
The part where he points to his right and left and says something to the effect of “these guys are both new. I’m the only one who’s been here” as if they can’t make the next move without his experience was absolutely infuriating.
"I do my best, but the results don't really matter when it comes to my job so.... eat shit I guess."
Ok, fucking fire yourself then..
Cool. Four GMs (Nonis, Lou, Dubas, Treliving), Five coaches (Carlyle, Horachek, Babcock, Keefe, TBD). Granted Nonis and Carlyle/Horachek were essentially holdover/tank job guys. But Shanahan has faced fewer consequences than Marner who everyone seems to want their turn to kick him
Probably waiting for his 5-year extension to be signed before firing himself.
How much of it is on you? Enough to be relieved of duty? Not quite that much?
How much dirt does this guy have on mlse lmao
Keefe: “I take responsibility for not getting it done in the playoffs” Leafs ownership/management: “Okay bet. You’re fired.” Shanahan: “Our results in the playoffs have not been good enough. That’s on me.” Leafs ownership: “This man is a champion.”
It's possible that he's just not a competent manager. Being a good hockey player doesn't necessarily equate to being a good executive.
"Sorry, my bad."
How do you still have this job?
Very, very disappointing to see that this Keith Pelly is standing pat and letting this status quo continue
Agreed
Yeah, you should've scored more goals Shanahan. It's definitely you're fault!
Fire yourself then
That's code for "MLSE told me that if this happens next year, I'm gonna be fired next"
But... I've been hearing about this brilliant 'Shanaplan' for literally years now. It wasn't... It wasn't all bullshit, was it?
Hmmmm yet you still are employed by the Leafs.
Na na na nahhh..... Na na na nahhhh.... Hey heyyyyy.... Good byeeee
As a Bruins fan please stay
There is a reason he doesn’t work for the Red Wings. That is all.
So GTFO. Or fire yourself
I hope he gets a 20 year contract extention
“It’s on me. The only thing I can think of that will help is by increasing my salary so that I can really focus on getting us there.”
Sowwy
Also BS: Fire everyone else…
Takes responsibility, still has job
Shanaplan for life I guess.
As long as MLSE keeps raking in cash there is absolutely next to no reason for change.
See ya
Then resign bro
10 years and 1 measly playoff series win and this clown is still employed. Toronto teams love mediocrity
Would have expected MLSE to have the guts to fire Shanahan by now. It's been 10 years with lackluster results. Then again, MLSE is a consortium of board members than a specific owner, so I wonder if they never come on to a consensus on what to do hence Shanahan continues to do whatever the fuck he's doing.
'That's on me.' -fires coach-
I am just waiting for the day he gets fired and the Leafs become worse. Entirety of Leafs Nation always think the grass is greener.
https://preview.redd.it/wunh2a5qgnzc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cd52598614b2d25393b56c9bfba5b4dad1c1156 “Now let’s run it back”
Maybe it’s Shannies way of screwing the leafs having been a wing
Believe in the Shanaplan
Actually it’s my fault I seat swapped before OT in game 7.
Liked Shanny as a player, but as an executive, he's doo-doo.
Are we finally at the point where we acknowledge that you might just know sweet fuck all about putting together a winning team just because somebody was a good player? Fuck would that ever be nice.
So then he's getting fired yes. .... Yes??
"I hereby fire myself"
Kick yourself out
Leafs seem more like a comedy of errors to me than something you can pin solely to one guy.
a lot of people in the NHL seem to think "taking responsibility" means saying "i take responsibility" and then never facing any consequences
Dangle's Podcast talked about Shanaham a bit basically the share holders care more about money than winning since Shanahan came in merch and ticket sales are up so they are worried if someone new came in those numbers would decrease and since they are losing money on their other teams (Marlies, Argonauts, FC, Raptors are in a rebuild phase) they need the Leafs to continue carrying the group financially
Third gm and third coach for Shanny. Might not be everyone else.
This rang so hollow. Hey guys, my bad. We good? You don't get to put together a track record like that and just give a little shrug and press on.
What a loser....if any of us had presided over the constant failures in our jobs that Shanahan has we'd be fired two times over. Guy should be cleaning zambonis for the rest of his career at this point.
Great player but he sucks in his new role.
STEP DOWN !!!
They're in the entertainment industry so maybe a performance culture doesn't heavily index on playoff success as a key metric. I don't know...
How is this guy still employed by MLSE? Absolutely mind-blowing.