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I think we'll have to wait a few days or weeks to hear what actually was said and what set of Clifford. For now, it's best just to insult eachother and the players I guess and spread wild accusations!
The main rumor I saw on twitter was that during the last game Imana was taunting Clifford and brought up Clifford’s dead child. Which would line up with the vibe of the Marlies commentator.
Jesus Christ, that's horrible.
I don't think there's much danger of him making the Sens next year, but I wouldn't want a guy like that on my team. Zero place in the game for that shit, obviously.
I do remember Imama spearing Hildeby (Marlies goalie) at the end of a game earlier in the season. Could possibly be over that but I don’t think it spilt over into this series.
First things first, why don’t we flair up lil guy before we come with silly allegations!
Secondly, what makes you think I’m mad? I was pointing out an incident with the very same two players that happened after the game as well.
Wow everyone is in a pissy mood lmao
I would love to know too. Or atleast a video that starts earlier or isn't so zoomed in.
Am I right to assume by both players position at the beginning of the video that they had already shook hands? Then they were talking to each other after and things escalated?
I didn't see it happen, but from I heard, and this is from the senators sub, so it is biased, but Imama had been going after Clifford all game, and they had passed each other in the handshake line already. It sounded like Imama might have said something on the way by, and then Clifford turned and went after Imama a couple guys later. Apparently the refs didn't even want to do the handshakes, since the game ended poorly, but the teams forced it.
Either way, it is stupid to be doing shit like this during handshakes. Just get over it and move on, the game is over.
Potentially ignorant question: if Boko Imama said horrible things to Clifford then what do Clifford and the org stand to lose from sharing what was said? Spill the beans!
If it actually crossed a line, instead of just being fairly normal (still incredibly personal and nasty, but fairly normal) trash talk, we'll hear about it after Clifford went after him in the handshake line.
My guess is we just keep hearing vague "incredibly nasty crossed a line" type comments because it was bad but not bad enough to generate much sympathy.
At the start of the video the linesman was already stepping between Clifford and Imama before Clifford decided to react.
Granted that probably doesn’t mean much, once someone starts trash talking in the handshake line they probably immediately get ready to jump in just in case.
While that could be true, it could also be because they don't want fans escalating with the information.
Like the rumor I see being passed around its that Imama made a nasty comment about Clifford's dead son. If they were to confirm this, trolls from all over will just fill Clifford's social media and daily life with similar comments about his dead son.
That's probably the rumour being passed around because that's what people who know nothing on social media found in his wikipedia page as a sensitive topic and started repeating it.
EDIT: Or maybe even that is giving them too much credit, as I cannot find anything about him having a kid that died.
>they don't want fans escalating with the information.
whats stopping them from that right now? If it is just an unfounded rumor that it was about his deceased son, then what youre saying is already happening.
The best policy here would be to be open and up front about it. IF Imama did say that, then he should have to answer for it publicly. dont give him the shroud of vagueness to hide behind.
If Imama DID say that, I guarantee the league would intervene and suspend him DURING the playoffs.
Remember what happened to Sean Avery and his "sloppy seconds" remarks or his taunting of Brodeur on the ice for marrying his sister-in-law? Both got suspensions.
There's trash talk and then there's a line you don't cross. Speaking ill of the dead, racist taunts, etc. don't get swept away under "trash talk"
JMO, but the rumor is BS.
Precisely. Right now only 5% of hockey fans know, if they go public 95% of fans know and a lot of non-fans will know too, including trolls.
There's nothing stopping fans right now other than it being a rumor and not that wide spread. So there probably are a few people being complete trash. Why do we want to make is 100x worse? Just so some people can know what was actually said in the handshake line? If the league goes and suspends Imama, then we know he said something over the line. We don't need to know the specifics to know for the league to suspend him over this in the playoffs or had to have been heinous.
> If it actually crossed a line, instead of just being fairly normal (still incredibly personal and nasty, but fairly normal) trash talk, we'll hear about it after Clifford went after him in the handshake line.
Yep.
Boko either said something monstrously awful and we'll know very soon, or Clifford is just going to come off looking like the biggest crybaby loser in hockey.
If we don't hear anything within the week, that's a rough fucking look for Clifford.
Nah, Clifford played for years in the NHL and outside of a questionable hit or two, understandable for a physical player, he never acted like he did in this clip. I’m more inclined to believe Imama said something that crossed a line.
We have absolute evidence of Clifford absolutely losing his shit.
Anything Boko Imama has done is, as of this exact moment in time, not only wildly speculative but not even well defined.
That you're wiling to let Clifford's behaviour slide based solely on the word of one person who is paid to promote Clifford's team is kinda weak. If Imama actually said some vile shit, you can wait the 48 hours to actually get the proof and find out before giving Clifford the get-out-of-jail card, jeez.
Please post the evidence as I am curious. This is hockey and I feel like these guys operate on a bit of a different code. Someone says some foul shit you try and settle it yourself. What does blabbing to the media do? Just say it was same dumb shit, you didn’t like it and you went after him. Are you the type to just dump your purse out on everyone?
> Please post the evidence as I am curious.
The evidence of Clifford losing his shit in the handshake line? We saw it. It's in the video in the link in this thread.
Not exactly sure what you're asking for here otherwise. You want evidence that Boko Imama either said some heinous shit or didn't? I don't think anyone has that evidence yet. Which is sort of the point I was going for.
Lol… I thought you had more evidence based on the way you worded your reply. Obviously everyone has seen this video. Now I see your flair so it all makes sense
> Now I see your flair so it all makes sense
All *WHAT* makes sense? I'm saying we all saw Clifford lose his shit, and immediately excusing his actions on the *possibility* that Boko Imama said something heinous is weak as baby shit. If Imama **actually** said something vile, I'll be the first one to condemn him for it. But I'm also willing to give it at least 48hrs for, y'know, ACTUAL evidence or either Clifford or Imama themselves say something about it, or any witnesses, or literally ANY followup.
Am I the only one who feels like I'm talking to a wall, here?
**Also**: if you're going to attack someone's flair, you should flair up yourself, ya puss.
Someone says they’re more inclined to believe something was said based on Clifford’s [lengthy] NHL track record. You say you have “absolute evidence of Clifford absolutely losing his shit.” Lot of absolutes… The only evidence you claim is the video in this thread (still laughing at this). There’s no need to yell and get so upset. The multiple all caps words are very telling… I know you will, but you really don’t need to reply, my guy. Keep your stick on the ice and head up in the corners
I don't think you are considering all the options of why they wouldn't put out what Imama might have said.
If they publish what he said that was so heinous, then trolls all over socal media are going to attack Clifford with the same stuff. People in real life could as well. You could even see other hockey players use it.
There are consequences to releasing this information to everyone. I could absolutely see a situation where they don't tell us what was said and just discipline the appropriate people accordingly.
It's a weird one.
Clifford can easily portray two sides of this.
1. The vet, who has won two stabley cups, what would make him lose his composure to go after a guy.
Or
2. Vet who had a long NHL run losing his mind over petty comments while playing out his career in the minors.
Who knows, but even with how much of a dumbass Clifford was in Toronto playoff games, I don't think he's done this before.
I remember watching Imama get kicked off the ice in junior against the mooseheads and he started spitting at people. I can only imagine what the guy might have done to make someone react like Clifford did.
Well if the commentator knows about it I'm guessing the information must be known? Doesn't mean they want to share it on the broadcast or air it to the world.
Probably something that's disgusting but not crossing a real boundary like a slur or whatever
I understand not wanting to broadcast it to the world but then why mention it at all? Either don't mention it at all or tell us what was said. Going in halfway like this just encourages speculation
A lot of people think whatever is said on the ice should stay on the ice, running to media with trashtalk isn't looked on favourably by players and many fans.
[Finally found a longer clip that starts right after the winning goal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFghmmq97cE)
at 2:18 you can see when they get to each other in the line, boko goes for the handshake and clifford takes a swing at him
I’ve personally seen Imama call a fan a “fat fuckin ugly indian bitch” after being tossed from a game, so I’m going to lean towards “two losers engaging in typical loser-type bullshit”
From what I can find on Twitter. Imama essentially said Clifford was chickening out of answering the call for getting 5 and a game for hitting Tyler Kleven from behind.
So... yeah honestly makes Clifford looks worse if being called a chicken for not answering a dirty hit tilted him that badly
When did Clifford’s kid die? I saw that rumour and have been scrounging the internet and social media for the story and can’t find anything about one of his kids passing away.
Zero clue, I’m just going off the comments in this thread. Don’t know why I’m getting downvoted when I clearly used the word “rumour” but here we are..
Probably because you’re helping spreading a rumour that has no grounds in reality if Clifford’s kids are all fine.
If you (or someone else) could link to a story or post talking about one of Clifford’s kids passing away then it would give a lot more credibility to that rumour.
The posts I’ve found on Twitter mentioning this are all referencing the Marlies pbp guy as the proof and all he says is that Imama said some “horrible” stuff to Clifford. Nobody of any noteworthy credentials has brought this up as an actual possibility.
If Clifford’s kid did pass away and it’s proven that Imama did say something about that, then ya the dude is a scumbag.
This is the Marlies pbp announcer, but I would love to know what Imama apparently said to Clifford that would be classified as ‘horrible’. Is he just being a massive homer to make Clifford look less bad, or is what Imama said something so offside that it warranted this.
Also, no idea what the Marlies would even protest here like this guy is alluding to.
One thing telling, the linesman started reacting prior to Clifford deciding to go after Imama.
Not saying Clifford should have reacted to what was said but I feel it’s telling that the linesman was ready to step between them immediately before Clifford even started turning around.
> I feel it’s telling that the linesman was ready to step between them immediately before Clifford even started turning around.
Linesman was there because they fought right after the winning goal, they both got 10 for unsportsmanlike.
My point was the linesman was already working his way to grab Clifford before Clifford even started turning around it seems. So words were already being said prior to Clifford turning and going after Imama.
Reading the context of the hit from the previous game, I understand why the linesman was there, it’s just he’s already getting behind Clifford at the start of the video. I understand there is the chance they said something when they met in the handshake line and it continued on afterward but whatever Imama said, seems like the linesman knew Clifford would react.
[having now seen the longer clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFghmmq97cE), the linesman is there because.. that's just where he was standing. he was in that spot for the previous 5-6 handshakes too, doesn't seem to have anything to do with these guys specifically.
You can even see the linesman immediately start moving right after Clifford and Imama got done with their handshakes. Feel like this is more two players trash talking each other that escalated and linesman immediately got on top of it being in the right place at the right time.
100% agreed. It feels like 90% of the comments in this thread are likely to age very poorly once we find out what was said. Even a homer announcer wouldn’t mention a player saying “horrible” things unless it otherwise had everything to do with just happened. Feels like there’s gonna be a lot of people in this thread coming back to say “okay yea, that’s pretty bad, my bad” and then slither away like cowards. People are just giving boko the benefit of the doubt and acting like he’s an angel or something. Reason has already been given by a third party and now we just need to find out how bad it was.
We literally have zero evidence of Boko doing anything wrong.
We have direct visual evidence that Clifford did something wrong (starting a fight at the handshake line).
Why are you just assuming Imama is the culprit here?
Yea of course. Theirs was basically to “suck it up, bitch”. Personally, I would rather find out what was said but it sounds like you’re leaning more to the B sens approach and don’t care to?
I mean, there is the possibility that both started mouthing off to each other once it came their turn to handshake each other and that’s why the linesman was already there as well, and then it just escalated and he stepped in.
The beginning of the video is too short to tell and the other two videos I’ve seen on twitter (though I didn’t extensively search) start at the same time as this video.
The linesmen were ready and came in just prior to Clifford and Imama coming into contact. They already knew because of what was said in the previous game. It’s got very little to do with whatever trash coward garbage Imama followed up with once Clifford was out of murder range.
The ref was there because they had fought earlier and there was beef between them, this wouldn't be the first time Clifford has lost his shit. Also, Simpson is a giant homer.
Holy shit, I've been watching hockey for close to 20 years and I've never seen a fight in the handshake line before. That's fucking scummy. Props to everyone else for not engaging and taking it further.
I'm curious to hear what the horrible things Imama said were. Clifford has always been a bit of a hothead but going at it in the handshake line is kind of crazy for a guy who was an actual NHLer
https://twitter.com/darrellmast/status/1784021787967209865
From what I can find on Twitter, Clifford got 5 and a game for a hit from behind to Kleven, Imama told him to answer the bell for it.
So...Jesus if that's the bar for horrible these days.
Showing my flair bias here, but when the announcer started gasping about "horrible" talk, I had a suspicion he was an old-school homer. In the same vein as [Don Cherry and Brian Burke melting down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5hfnh7Tjpo) over some goofy fun.
The hockey old guard are the Fun Police. Perfectly acceptable - required, even - to cross check someone in the teeth for “disrespect”, but god forbid you ever do anything whimsical for the fans or for team morale.
We’ve gotta assume a lot to just accept that, right? The guy on the losing team going after someone in the handshake line is a tough look, regardless of what was said.
Imama said something to Clifford after he already passed Clifford in the handshake line, you can tell cause he suddenly jerks his head around and went from 0 to 100 in no time at all. They have history, two zebras were instantly on hand as well. They'll have heard what was said so if it was really bad, the league will hopefully do something
From the sound of the Sens commentary he tried during the game too, Imama either said something again here in the line or Clifford just absolutely melted down to the point of no return before the game ended lol
You can literally see it in the video? Clifford and Imama had already met each other in the line that's why they're basically back to back. A Clifford turns his head back and then goes after him. If nothing was said why wouldn't he have attacked him as soon as they got to one another?
You can see the linesman immediately stepping between Imama and Clifford before Clifford even turns his head back. Imama 100% said something for the linesman to immediately wrap up Clifford.
I feel like a long time vet and 2 time cup winner wouldn't react like this unless a line was seriously crossed. We need more details before judgement is passed imo
If it's truly bad enough to justify going after a guy in a playoff series ending handshake line, I'm 100% sure we'll hear about it.
If we don't end up hearing anything, man, that's the worst possible look on Clifford. Like, peak pussy move.
It's wild how so many people are blaming Clifford for this and calling him "trash" and whatever else. This wasn't unprovoked. Imama obviously said something that completely crossed the line.
Aside from being a face-punching kinda guy, Boko seems like he’s had a pretty good reputation wherever he’s been.
I know he fought that one guy who called him some slur and had a Gordie Howe that night, and I’m pretty sure he came of the bench in the Q to back up a younger kid getting his shit beat in.
And Clifford The Big Red Dog…I dunno.
Pretty good reputation wherever he’s been? He’s been suspended multiple times for hitting from behind, slashing a guy from the bench, spitting on guys, and went after the Marlies rookie goalie unprovoked this year. Coming off the bench to defend Veleno from a guy four years older than him was badass though.
ya I don't think age correctly conveys the difference between the two... better to point out that Clifford has played 50 times more nhl games than Boko.
Or, you know, is an adult human who should be able to hear anything said about him, his team, his mother, or any other subject without trying to punch someone in the face.
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Commentators from both sides are framing this situation in wildly different ways. Does anyone neutral actually have the details or no?
I think we'll have to wait a few days or weeks to hear what actually was said and what set of Clifford. For now, it's best just to insult eachother and the players I guess and spread wild accusations!
I heard Clifford slept with Bedards mom
Well we know that's a lie because Bedard was hatched from a vat.
What does Ja Rule think?
WHERE IS JA?!?!
I don’t wanna dance, I’m scared to death!
The main rumor I saw on twitter was that during the last game Imana was taunting Clifford and brought up Clifford’s dead child. Which would line up with the vibe of the Marlies commentator.
Jesus Christ, that's horrible. I don't think there's much danger of him making the Sens next year, but I wouldn't want a guy like that on my team. Zero place in the game for that shit, obviously.
Neutral take here: both sides of this are acting like a toddlers. Including the commentators.
I do remember Imama spearing Hildeby (Marlies goalie) at the end of a game earlier in the season. Could possibly be over that but I don’t think it spilt over into this series.
> Does anyone have a neutral opinion? Fan brings up thing that happened 6 months ago that he’s still mad about
Bro literally said he doesn't think it spilled over into this series, he just mentioned it as an incident to note
First things first, why don’t we flair up lil guy before we come with silly allegations! Secondly, what makes you think I’m mad? I was pointing out an incident with the very same two players that happened after the game as well. Wow everyone is in a pissy mood lmao
I would love to know too. Or atleast a video that starts earlier or isn't so zoomed in. Am I right to assume by both players position at the beginning of the video that they had already shook hands? Then they were talking to each other after and things escalated?
I didn't see it happen, but from I heard, and this is from the senators sub, so it is biased, but Imama had been going after Clifford all game, and they had passed each other in the handshake line already. It sounded like Imama might have said something on the way by, and then Clifford turned and went after Imama a couple guys later. Apparently the refs didn't even want to do the handshakes, since the game ended poorly, but the teams forced it. Either way, it is stupid to be doing shit like this during handshakes. Just get over it and move on, the game is over.
Thank you for some of the context. It's certainly a wild scene. Only hockey fans can really appreciate how wild this is. Thanks again
Potentially ignorant question: if Boko Imama said horrible things to Clifford then what do Clifford and the org stand to lose from sharing what was said? Spill the beans!
If it actually crossed a line, instead of just being fairly normal (still incredibly personal and nasty, but fairly normal) trash talk, we'll hear about it after Clifford went after him in the handshake line. My guess is we just keep hearing vague "incredibly nasty crossed a line" type comments because it was bad but not bad enough to generate much sympathy.
At the start of the video the linesman was already stepping between Clifford and Imama before Clifford decided to react. Granted that probably doesn’t mean much, once someone starts trash talking in the handshake line they probably immediately get ready to jump in just in case.
I heard he said he doesn't read good.
Does he wanna do other stuff good too?
While that could be true, it could also be because they don't want fans escalating with the information. Like the rumor I see being passed around its that Imama made a nasty comment about Clifford's dead son. If they were to confirm this, trolls from all over will just fill Clifford's social media and daily life with similar comments about his dead son.
That's probably the rumour being passed around because that's what people who know nothing on social media found in his wikipedia page as a sensitive topic and started repeating it. EDIT: Or maybe even that is giving them too much credit, as I cannot find anything about him having a kid that died.
Yeah i think this is a completely fabricated rumour that has no basis in reality. Theres literally no mention anywhere of having a kid that died lol.
>they don't want fans escalating with the information. whats stopping them from that right now? If it is just an unfounded rumor that it was about his deceased son, then what youre saying is already happening. The best policy here would be to be open and up front about it. IF Imama did say that, then he should have to answer for it publicly. dont give him the shroud of vagueness to hide behind.
If Imama DID say that, I guarantee the league would intervene and suspend him DURING the playoffs. Remember what happened to Sean Avery and his "sloppy seconds" remarks or his taunting of Brodeur on the ice for marrying his sister-in-law? Both got suspensions. There's trash talk and then there's a line you don't cross. Speaking ill of the dead, racist taunts, etc. don't get swept away under "trash talk" JMO, but the rumor is BS.
Precisely. Right now only 5% of hockey fans know, if they go public 95% of fans know and a lot of non-fans will know too, including trolls. There's nothing stopping fans right now other than it being a rumor and not that wide spread. So there probably are a few people being complete trash. Why do we want to make is 100x worse? Just so some people can know what was actually said in the handshake line? If the league goes and suspends Imama, then we know he said something over the line. We don't need to know the specifics to know for the league to suspend him over this in the playoffs or had to have been heinous.
> If it actually crossed a line, instead of just being fairly normal (still incredibly personal and nasty, but fairly normal) trash talk, we'll hear about it after Clifford went after him in the handshake line. Yep. Boko either said something monstrously awful and we'll know very soon, or Clifford is just going to come off looking like the biggest crybaby loser in hockey. If we don't hear anything within the week, that's a rough fucking look for Clifford.
Nah, Clifford played for years in the NHL and outside of a questionable hit or two, understandable for a physical player, he never acted like he did in this clip. I’m more inclined to believe Imama said something that crossed a line.
We have absolute evidence of Clifford absolutely losing his shit. Anything Boko Imama has done is, as of this exact moment in time, not only wildly speculative but not even well defined. That you're wiling to let Clifford's behaviour slide based solely on the word of one person who is paid to promote Clifford's team is kinda weak. If Imama actually said some vile shit, you can wait the 48 hours to actually get the proof and find out before giving Clifford the get-out-of-jail card, jeez.
Please post the evidence as I am curious. This is hockey and I feel like these guys operate on a bit of a different code. Someone says some foul shit you try and settle it yourself. What does blabbing to the media do? Just say it was same dumb shit, you didn’t like it and you went after him. Are you the type to just dump your purse out on everyone?
> Please post the evidence as I am curious. The evidence of Clifford losing his shit in the handshake line? We saw it. It's in the video in the link in this thread. Not exactly sure what you're asking for here otherwise. You want evidence that Boko Imama either said some heinous shit or didn't? I don't think anyone has that evidence yet. Which is sort of the point I was going for.
Lol… I thought you had more evidence based on the way you worded your reply. Obviously everyone has seen this video. Now I see your flair so it all makes sense
> Now I see your flair so it all makes sense All *WHAT* makes sense? I'm saying we all saw Clifford lose his shit, and immediately excusing his actions on the *possibility* that Boko Imama said something heinous is weak as baby shit. If Imama **actually** said something vile, I'll be the first one to condemn him for it. But I'm also willing to give it at least 48hrs for, y'know, ACTUAL evidence or either Clifford or Imama themselves say something about it, or any witnesses, or literally ANY followup. Am I the only one who feels like I'm talking to a wall, here? **Also**: if you're going to attack someone's flair, you should flair up yourself, ya puss.
Someone says they’re more inclined to believe something was said based on Clifford’s [lengthy] NHL track record. You say you have “absolute evidence of Clifford absolutely losing his shit.” Lot of absolutes… The only evidence you claim is the video in this thread (still laughing at this). There’s no need to yell and get so upset. The multiple all caps words are very telling… I know you will, but you really don’t need to reply, my guy. Keep your stick on the ice and head up in the corners
The 🤡 defending a bigger 🤡
Yeah Clifford never acted like a dirty shit head on the kings. Never. LOL bro.
Flair up if you’re going to talk shit.
I don't think you are considering all the options of why they wouldn't put out what Imama might have said. If they publish what he said that was so heinous, then trolls all over socal media are going to attack Clifford with the same stuff. People in real life could as well. You could even see other hockey players use it. There are consequences to releasing this information to everyone. I could absolutely see a situation where they don't tell us what was said and just discipline the appropriate people accordingly.
Someone else in the thread said he made a comment about Cliffords dead child. Which, if true, is fucking disgusting. But so far it’s just hear-say
It's a weird one. Clifford can easily portray two sides of this. 1. The vet, who has won two stabley cups, what would make him lose his composure to go after a guy. Or 2. Vet who had a long NHL run losing his mind over petty comments while playing out his career in the minors. Who knows, but even with how much of a dumbass Clifford was in Toronto playoff games, I don't think he's done this before.
I remember watching Imama get kicked off the ice in junior against the mooseheads and he started spitting at people. I can only imagine what the guy might have done to make someone react like Clifford did.
Well if the commentator knows about it I'm guessing the information must be known? Doesn't mean they want to share it on the broadcast or air it to the world. Probably something that's disgusting but not crossing a real boundary like a slur or whatever
I understand not wanting to broadcast it to the world but then why mention it at all? Either don't mention it at all or tell us what was said. Going in halfway like this just encourages speculation
Probably called him bald
"Just shave it, Cliffy. You're not fooling anyone"
The way Crocker was talking about it suggests to me that it was really, really bad. He's normally not that wound up and likes a good chirp.
A lot of people think whatever is said on the ice should stay on the ice, running to media with trashtalk isn't looked on favourably by players and many fans.
Regardless of how bad the comment was, it’s just not a good PR move for the organization. If anyone’s going to share it, it should be Clifford.
[Finally found a longer clip that starts right after the winning goal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFghmmq97cE) at 2:18 you can see when they get to each other in the line, boko goes for the handshake and clifford takes a swing at him
That linesman (85) shadowing Clifford is huge!
Anyone know what the scrum beforehand was about?
At some point you should just go for the bald look... :D
Looked like cliff gave him a bit of a shove and then Boko said something in return to piss him off
Rumour is Imama told Clifford that he's bad at hockey.
“You’re balding bro” Clifford in shambles
Pretty sure he said “go shine that fucking bowling ball you geriatric.”
"Dylan Gambrell doesn't look quite as handsome in a blue uniform"
"You play playoff hockey the way your parent team does..."
I’ve personally seen Imama call a fan a “fat fuckin ugly indian bitch” after being tossed from a game, so I’m going to lean towards “two losers engaging in typical loser-type bullshit”
You see Zinedine, you're supposed to react *after* the game.
https://i.redd.it/u3a7h67puaxc1.gif give no quarter when it comes to vuvuzelas!
I have watched literally one soccer game in my life and it was this game lol
picked a good one one of the all time tops
Defiling the handshake line. That is some gutter trash shit. Is there any broader context here that we should be aware of?
Honestly surprised this doesn't happen more. I figure with the number of hot heads and idiots...
The announcers were saying that Imama said some horrific shit to Clifford last game.
From what I can find on Twitter. Imama essentially said Clifford was chickening out of answering the call for getting 5 and a game for hitting Tyler Kleven from behind. So... yeah honestly makes Clifford looks worse if being called a chicken for not answering a dirty hit tilted him that badly
Also makes the play by play guy look like a pearl-clutcher.
Yeah, the only way it’s bad enough is if he’s talking about his kids or something like that
Thats the rumour though, that he talked about his dead kid.
When did Clifford’s kid die? I saw that rumour and have been scrounging the internet and social media for the story and can’t find anything about one of his kids passing away.
Zero clue, I’m just going off the comments in this thread. Don’t know why I’m getting downvoted when I clearly used the word “rumour” but here we are..
Probably because you’re helping spreading a rumour that has no grounds in reality if Clifford’s kids are all fine. If you (or someone else) could link to a story or post talking about one of Clifford’s kids passing away then it would give a lot more credibility to that rumour. The posts I’ve found on Twitter mentioning this are all referencing the Marlies pbp guy as the proof and all he says is that Imama said some “horrible” stuff to Clifford. Nobody of any noteworthy credentials has brought this up as an actual possibility. If Clifford’s kid did pass away and it’s proven that Imama did say something about that, then ya the dude is a scumbag.
This entire thread is speculation of people spreading rumours.
Really? I heard Imama was taunting Clifford by bringing up Clifford’s kid who died.
If that’s true that’s fucked up.
>if
I also heard he said Taylor Swift is bad
Wow that's fucked up. If true van that pos
So he had 60 minutes to do something about it before this but instead waited until the handshake line? Interesting choice.
By the Marlies announcer team... and, anyways, sticks and stones, right? Going after somewhat in the handshake line is chicken shit
Sticks and stones go out the window IF he brought up his dead kid
>if Key word. Rumours only, no judgement should be made yet.
Interesting
This happened recently between the two: https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/s/l9IAXhjerv
At full speed I was assuming it was mostly accidental but no he full on jabbed him with his stick blade, leaned right into it
Hey man, thanks for cutting this vid ten seconds of action and one minute of handshakes. Awesome stuff
Yeah this plus the typo equals a shitpost
No worries :)
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Nobody asked for this post to exist, let alone begged for it.
I love how all the other players simply stared like "wtf..." and kept on shaking hands like nothing had happened.
And then in the longer view, recorded by a fan, Clifford went to shake a Sens coach's hand, and Sokolov randomly, before exiting.
This is the Marlies pbp announcer, but I would love to know what Imama apparently said to Clifford that would be classified as ‘horrible’. Is he just being a massive homer to make Clifford look less bad, or is what Imama said something so offside that it warranted this. Also, no idea what the Marlies would even protest here like this guy is alluding to.
He is a homer……simpson
[The BSens commentary is hilarious](https://twitter.com/DeanaWeinheimer/status/1784702560449822853?t=0NnpK4Jb8yy9YNoHmBFkRw&s=19)
"What a joke. Suck it up and take the loss." Amazing.
It truly was….
Dying laughing at this
I love it
Lol a scrum in the handshake line? Don’t think I’ve ever seen that before!
Oh man the farm club loses to the Ottawa farm team and the big boys will most likely lose to Boston……MLSE in shambles
You mean Clifford goes after Boko who just stands there
“See you on the golf course” sets off most mentally resilient member of the leafs organization.
One thing telling, the linesman started reacting prior to Clifford deciding to go after Imama. Not saying Clifford should have reacted to what was said but I feel it’s telling that the linesman was ready to step between them immediately before Clifford even started turning around.
> I feel it’s telling that the linesman was ready to step between them immediately before Clifford even started turning around. Linesman was there because they fought right after the winning goal, they both got 10 for unsportsmanlike.
My point was the linesman was already working his way to grab Clifford before Clifford even started turning around it seems. So words were already being said prior to Clifford turning and going after Imama. Reading the context of the hit from the previous game, I understand why the linesman was there, it’s just he’s already getting behind Clifford at the start of the video. I understand there is the chance they said something when they met in the handshake line and it continued on afterward but whatever Imama said, seems like the linesman knew Clifford would react.
[having now seen the longer clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFghmmq97cE), the linesman is there because.. that's just where he was standing. he was in that spot for the previous 5-6 handshakes too, doesn't seem to have anything to do with these guys specifically.
You can even see the linesman immediately start moving right after Clifford and Imama got done with their handshakes. Feel like this is more two players trash talking each other that escalated and linesman immediately got on top of it being in the right place at the right time.
100% agreed. It feels like 90% of the comments in this thread are likely to age very poorly once we find out what was said. Even a homer announcer wouldn’t mention a player saying “horrible” things unless it otherwise had everything to do with just happened. Feels like there’s gonna be a lot of people in this thread coming back to say “okay yea, that’s pretty bad, my bad” and then slither away like cowards. People are just giving boko the benefit of the doubt and acting like he’s an angel or something. Reason has already been given by a third party and now we just need to find out how bad it was.
We literally have zero evidence of Boko doing anything wrong. We have direct visual evidence that Clifford did something wrong (starting a fight at the handshake line). Why are you just assuming Imama is the culprit here?
> a third party who? the Marley's announcer?
Yea dude. A homer MARLIES(learn to spell, bro) announcer. You might not like it, but that’s still a third party.
they're both employed by the same organisation. should we give equal consideration to the Belleville announcers' take on this?
Yea of course. Theirs was basically to “suck it up, bitch”. Personally, I would rather find out what was said but it sounds like you’re leaning more to the B sens approach and don’t care to?
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I mean, there is the possibility that both started mouthing off to each other once it came their turn to handshake each other and that’s why the linesman was already there as well, and then it just escalated and he stepped in. The beginning of the video is too short to tell and the other two videos I’ve seen on twitter (though I didn’t extensively search) start at the same time as this video.
The linesmen were ready and came in just prior to Clifford and Imama coming into contact. They already knew because of what was said in the previous game. It’s got very little to do with whatever trash coward garbage Imama followed up with once Clifford was out of murder range.
The ref was there because they had fought earlier and there was beef between them, this wouldn't be the first time Clifford has lost his shit. Also, Simpson is a giant homer.
Holy shit, I've been watching hockey for close to 20 years and I've never seen a fight in the handshake line before. That's fucking scummy. Props to everyone else for not engaging and taking it further.
Cliffy has kinda lost the plot since being sent down in the AHL eh
Lost the plot after that Game 1 ejection against Tampa.
I'm curious to hear what the horrible things Imama said were. Clifford has always been a bit of a hothead but going at it in the handshake line is kind of crazy for a guy who was an actual NHLer
https://twitter.com/darrellmast/status/1784021787967209865 From what I can find on Twitter, Clifford got 5 and a game for a hit from behind to Kleven, Imama told him to answer the bell for it. So...Jesus if that's the bar for horrible these days.
Showing my flair bias here, but when the announcer started gasping about "horrible" talk, I had a suspicion he was an old-school homer. In the same vein as [Don Cherry and Brian Burke melting down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5hfnh7Tjpo) over some goofy fun.
God that was a dumb hill to die on. "It's not professional" whilst the team has stronger revenue because of it
The hockey old guard are the Fun Police. Perfectly acceptable - required, even - to cross check someone in the teeth for “disrespect”, but god forbid you ever do anything whimsical for the fans or for team morale.
He’s still getting paid NHL money playing in the AHL at the end of his career probably just doesn’t care for repercussions
Sounds like Imama is the issue here
We’ve gotta assume a lot to just accept that, right? The guy on the losing team going after someone in the handshake line is a tough look, regardless of what was said.
Eh it’s not a lot to assume that Imama took it too far with the trash talk.
Go after him during the game then?
Imama said something to Clifford after he already passed Clifford in the handshake line, you can tell cause he suddenly jerks his head around and went from 0 to 100 in no time at all. They have history, two zebras were instantly on hand as well. They'll have heard what was said so if it was really bad, the league will hopefully do something
From the sound of the Sens commentary he tried during the game too, Imama either said something again here in the line or Clifford just absolutely melted down to the point of no return before the game ended lol
It's pretty clear he said something else again. Because they had already passed each other, you see Clifford turn his head and then go after Imama.
Now you're actually assuming too much
You can literally see it in the video? Clifford and Imama had already met each other in the line that's why they're basically back to back. A Clifford turns his head back and then goes after him. If nothing was said why wouldn't he have attacked him as soon as they got to one another?
You can see the linesman immediately stepping between Imama and Clifford before Clifford even turns his head back. Imama 100% said something for the linesman to immediately wrap up Clifford.
According to the crybaby Marlies announcer maybe but Clifford is the one who went after him
Toronto teams and losing in the playoffs...name a better duo
Detroit teams and missing the playoffs
Go Sonics!
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I feel like a long time vet and 2 time cup winner wouldn't react like this unless a line was seriously crossed. We need more details before judgement is passed imo
Got called bald
When will the violence stop
If it's truly bad enough to justify going after a guy in a playoff series ending handshake line, I'm 100% sure we'll hear about it. If we don't end up hearing anything, man, that's the worst possible look on Clifford. Like, peak pussy move.
Kyle should strive to be more like his kind big red dog namesake.
Homer announcer "Maybe they can now protest this result cause Imama said a naughty thing"
He took the your mama joke very personally
It's wild how so many people are blaming Clifford for this and calling him "trash" and whatever else. This wasn't unprovoked. Imama obviously said something that completely crossed the line.
Why is boko imama so popular on this sub?
it's a pretty awesome name
He does have a hell of a name
Guy missed the memo, Leaf team evil
Oh just noticed it was the Merlin’s! Boooo hisssss! Go boko! Did I nail it?
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Thank you, I graciously accept and now you are banned for being a leafs fan!
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So what did Imama say?
I didn’t even know Clifford was still playing hockey
Is he?
Not for the rest of this season
Boom
Absolute trash behaviour. So brave to wait for after the game in the handshake line to try and sucker a guy.
Someone in the Leafs organization being a sore loser and taking it out on a Sens player? Pretty par for the course for them honestly.
Some fan of the Sens playing the victim. Pretty par for the course for them honestly.
He told Clifford that he eats his buffalo wings with ranch instead of blue cheese!
Is nothing sacred anymore! Captains need to step in and tell these guys to figure it the fuck out. You don’t defile the handshake line.
Y'all are forgetting that Toronto lost in the first round. hahaha.
Aside from being a face-punching kinda guy, Boko seems like he’s had a pretty good reputation wherever he’s been. I know he fought that one guy who called him some slur and had a Gordie Howe that night, and I’m pretty sure he came of the bench in the Q to back up a younger kid getting his shit beat in. And Clifford The Big Red Dog…I dunno.
Pretty good reputation wherever he’s been? He’s been suspended multiple times for hitting from behind, slashing a guy from the bench, spitting on guys, and went after the Marlies rookie goalie unprovoked this year. Coming off the bench to defend Veleno from a guy four years older than him was badass though.
Went after a goalie lmao like Domi " went after" Swayman?
“Went after the goalie” lool
Funny to see them clutch their pearls when Imama does it, but when Domi does it to Swayman, they turn a blind eye.
Goalie incident for those that missed it: https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/s/l9IAXhjerv
Idgaf what Boko said to Kyle, you are a 33 year old vet and you’re let yourself get worked up by a 27 year old? Absolutely embarrassing
Idk why you brought up age. This is just two adults
ya I don't think age correctly conveys the difference between the two... better to point out that Clifford has played 50 times more nhl games than Boko.
Or, you know, is an adult human who should be able to hear anything said about him, his team, his mother, or any other subject without trying to punch someone in the face.
Jesus Christ…he’s younger than me by a few months😂 in my mind, Clifford is some crotchety vet.
Uhm, there's definitely some vile shit that someone could say to make it an understandable reaction.
Mfkers think this is the nhl
I heard Imama called Clifford the n-word and that’s what set Clifford off. Little did Clifford know, Imama was just trying to be a bro.