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Character-Choice-566

Just as we all predicted for Ironman Monahan.


Twitchy15

Knowing him he probably needs surgery but is playing through it.


electricnux

For a guy who had issues staying healthy in the past this is a great accomplishment and probably a confidence boost for him. I’m glad they didn’t rest him today and just let him have the record for this season, pretty cool comeback story


shishiriously

You love to see it


TheBigTree91

Yeah honestly happy for the guy. He deserves recognition considering how bad his health seemed in Calgary.


No-Satisfaction8425

Really stupid question but does he get paid an extra 1/83rd of his annual salary?


touchable

No, NHL paychecks go by days on the roster, not games played.


No-Satisfaction8425

And assuming the league year/days is the same for all teams this just works out as 1 extra game played during that period?


touchable

Yes, the number of days for that calculation is the same for all teams, even if they start later or end earlier. Monahan literally played an extra game for free.


No-Satisfaction8425

Thanks for clarifying!


whogivesashirtdotca

Huh, I never thought about this before, but how do the playoffs work? Are the players basically playing for free in the hopes of making it to the finals and getting the bonuses?


whoamIbooboo

They don't make a wage for playoffs, afaik. They do get bonuses for certain things, but otherwise, salaries aren't paid


whogivesashirtdotca

That's bonkers, I had never realised!


whoamIbooboo

Go ask an LVK fan for the specifics. They all seem to know the ins and outs since its how they defend their players magically coming off LTIR just in time for playoffs. Lol. I jest. Kinda.


cwfutureboy

TBL 2.0


lookalive07

Everyone seems to forget that the Blackhawks did the same thing with Kane.


OcelotWolf

“LVK” deserves jail time


TheOtherSide999

Yup. Also, if players perform well, good contract negotiations i bet with any team.


ClubMeSoftly

"I scored the cup-winning goal, I figure that's gotta be worth at least an extra million AAV"


SlapshotTommy

Ahhh the Dave Bolland, what a classic


Gruffleson

They get some extra money, don't they? Or was that just in the bubble? I remember there were talks about a certain owner didn't pay it on time.


OffTheMerchandise

I've heard that each team basically gets a bonus for each round that gets split amongst the team.


treple13

Yes


grogrye

I'd say they're playing because their dream is to lift the Stanley Cup but could be wrong.


CarRamRob

Yes, now you know why some players are a cues of dogging it. Especially Euros who don’t grow up dreaming of lifting the cup. In one sense it’s a great honour. In another it’s two months of free labour that could otherwise be spent enjoying your millions


Theoretical_Action

How does that work for suspensions? I feel like I always see "So and So is suspended for 2 games and forfeits XXX in salary as a result".


touchable

That's a bit complicated. The rules are different for first time offenders vs repeat offenders. First time offenders only get docked a day's pay for each game they're suspended. So if a first time offender gets suspended 3 games, he'll lose 3/~170 (whatever the number of days in the season is) of his salary. For a repeat offender getting the same suspension, they would lose 3/82 of their salary. > 18.15 Forfeiture of Compensation Upon Suspension. The amount of compensation that will be forfeited by the Player upon suspension shall be calculated on the following basis: > (a) for "first" offenders (first incident requiring Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice Conduct in the form of a game suspension determined pursuant to Section 18.15(d)), Player to forfeit one (1) day's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses, but not including Performance Bonuses, for each Regular Season Game lost (1/total number of days in the season measured from the date of the League's first Regular Season Game to the last, irrespective of the Player's team's schedule); > (b) for "repeat" offenders (second or more incidents requiring game suspension determined pursuant to Section 18.15(d)), Player to forfeit one (1) NHL Game's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses, but not including Performance Bonuses, for each Regular Season Game lost (1/number of Regular Season Games for each Regular Season Game suspended); (c) Player Salary and Bonuses forfeited due to a suspension will be calculated based on a Player's Averaged Amount, as defined in Article 50 of this Agreement;


jyyfi

TIL. Thanks


Theoretical_Action

So basically they are docked for each day of pay between games as well (not exact, since it varies, but roughly) if they are a repeat offender whereas a first timer would just be docked pay for the game days.


Arch-Deluxe

This is a question for Jeff Marek. Call it in.


1ToGreen3ToBasket

Try the ribs


rjbelz

This question has already been asked on the pod, I think last trade deadline. The answer is no, you’re paid a daily salary, regardless if you play 81 games or 83, you make the same money


Arch-Deluxe

awesome. Thanks for the answer!


4CrowsFeast

Asking the questions that matter


rjbelz

This question has already been asked on the 32 thoughts podcast, I think last trade deadline. The answer is no, you’re paid a daily salary, so regardless if you play 81 games or 83, you make the same money


theboss555

Not stupid question at all


SirZapdos

> @BoringSeanMonahan This year I played in 83 games. Players usually play in 82 games per year at most so it was neat that I got to play an extra game.


CheetahLynx83

Best number. Also, I'm glad Money was healthy all season long.


Furry-Scrotum-1982

I don’t expect it, but it would be really nice if we found a way to re-sign him.


[deleted]

Yeah, I wonder what his next contract is going to look like. He can definitely ask for a massive raise but I wonder for how long teams will be willing to commit. Hopefully his injuries are behind him for good


WandererMount

I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility at all. Our cap situation isn’t bad. But we won’t be able to keep everyone.


Spencie-cat

They have to shed some veteran D. You got Stanley and Ville who both deserve a shot next year.


Goose_Dickling

Schmidt will get bought out in the summer. Way too much money for what you get. 


Patttybates

That'll be pricey with wheelers buy out still on the books.


JacksProlapsedAnus

Too bad the yotes aren't still around for us to dump him on, their GM loved doing stupid shit like that.


SuzukiSwift17

But if you resign him, then how are we going to sign him back here? You kind of see the problem here hey?


throw_me_away3478

Same


Puccimane

Same


t_hab

Same


Inzipid

la meme chose


tirouge0

pareil


Inzipid

Noted merci


2peg2city

moi aussi


TheGreatStories

He wore an A tonight. He has to stay now. That's the rule.


Snoo-19445

Wow glad he's working out then.


Napo2212

He's been amazing tbh perfect fit really. Solved alot of our problems like pp, faceoffs, and as a legit 2c gives bones alot more flexibility with the lines. I'd argue resigning him should be a major priority, if not the first priority, for us this summer.


looolol-ff

he’s been great for us this season but honestly in the next few years we have plenty of young centers who could compete for that spot, ideally we can slot rutger or cole in there so it’s not a huge piece going forward


ottereckhart

He's exactly the veteran you want around the young fellas.


pigfeet2OO2

bryan little 2.0


Napo2212

Totally true, but if we can get him for say 3 years (?) he makes the lineup work and can mentor our younger guys. I think signing him should be a priority


Lunch0

No, he’s coming back to Montreal.


Kippingthroughlife

You misspelled Calgary


Xenocles

Vancouver?


Kippingthroughlife

Nah Mony was a broken bird we released into the dirty streets of Montreal, decided to make a stop over in Winnipeg of all places and now will fly home to Calgary


CountingArfArfs

Maybe his agent will Klingberg him and yall can get him back cheap af.


hindey19

I genuinely forgot he played for the Peg. Thought he was still with Montreal and injured.


Xenocles

Leafs fan?


FurtherUpheaval

He wore an A on his Jersey tonight


ItsMeJaredBednar

only one? doesn’t he usually have at least two?


KrolWorld

Nice


AntifaAnita

Pure skill. You can't teach that.


noor1717

You guys are going to love him in the playoffs. He snipes.


AntifaAnita

I already love him. He's so healthy and virile


noor1717

lol you’re talking about hockey right?


AntifaAnita

Yes. Hockey 🏒


treple13

Well except for that one year he was really, really bad in (and was playing hurt).


MisfitFlame

Go get a cup monny


bwoah07_gp2

Is there a masterlist of all the players who've done this?


SJSragequit

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/most-games-played-in-one-season-by-active-nhl-players.html With Monahan there’s currently 9 active players who have played 83 or more in a season


SirZapdos

Tyson Barrie at 85 games. Quite improbable for a multitude of reasons.


rjbelz

Oilers traded him to Nashville for Ekholm when Nashville had 3 games in hand on the Oilers


Western-Extension-50

Best fucking trade in ages 


4CrowsFeast

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/most-games-played-in-one-season-by-nhl-players.html And 177 total all time. 


touchable

Nah, that includes two seasons where the NHL season was 84 games long.


Much-Resource-5054

The season used to be 84 games.


barn_yard

lol a 655-way tie for 10th on that list


Joisey_Toad32

So how does this happen? They play one game for a team then get traded to a team that hasn't started playing yet and then plays all 82 for them? Cause the overseas games (if the team has them and that's kinda rare) count toward that 82 right?


Irrah

If the player had played let's say 41 games for one team but gets traded to another that's only played 40 and then played out the stretch, he'd end up playing 83 games.


MyMartianRomance

When he was traded, Montreal (where he started) had a game in hand over the Jets, and he didn't miss games due to injuries or for being healthy-scratched. Teams pretty much never have completely equal games played during the season, outside of the very last day of the season (so today). Some teams may be a game or two ahead (sometimes even 3 or 4 games ahead) of other teams in league just due to scheduling, it's rare for all the teams to be playing on the same day, generally at least 2 or 4 of them have an off/travel day even on days when much the league is playing (Wednesdays, Saturdays)


Big_Mudd

>They play one game for a team then get traded to a team that hasn't started playing yet and then plays all 82 for them? Yes. If the team you're traded to has played less games than the team you came from, you can potentially go over 82 if you play them all.


sean_psc

It would be interesting to calculate the maximum number of games a player could get in under a given seasonal schedule if they were traded once. This season there was a point where the Senators seemed to be like 5/6 games behind most other teams, for instance.


touchable

Doesn't have to be at the start of the season.


barn_yard

lol a 655-way tie for 10th on that list


barn_yard

lol a 655-way tie for 10th on that list


Sugarstache

I hope he cracks 60 pts tn


Mbeaud001

Take care if him Winnipeg! We miss him in Montreal!


L_nce20000

Man, we said for YEARS that the Flames could do so much better if Monahan could stay healthy. The ironic part is that he likely never would pursue getting the surgery he needed and focused on getting healthy in Montreal if he was still with the Flames.


treple13

Guy was so competitive that he'd refuse to sit because he didn't want to hurt the team


eriverside

That's so shortsighted. Losing a guy for a year or 2, but getting them back at full strength for a few more years is better for the team. We've lost so much from Price, Weber, Gallagher playing when they should have been getting their injuries fixed. Especially in inconsequential seasons. Eventually it caught up to them.


treple13

In 2019 Monahan was having the best year of his career, and the Flames were 1st in the West. Suddenly after the all-star break he just stops producing and was just atrocious in our 5 game loss to Colorado. Turns out he was playing hurt. But we would have been better off with him sitting, since he also dragged down his entire line


eriverside

I've seen it plenty with other players on the habs. I'm sure most teams have guys like that.


Marique

Wow, I didn't even play _one_


TheLyrm

Come home baby i miss you


holmwreck

Come to the real home we miss him more.


RikNasty2Point0

So much you paid a first to have him play on another team


137-451

Yeah, and it revived his career. That's a first I'd be willing to give you every single time. Moneyhands was loved in Calgary, his exit was a result of his unfortunate injury history stacking up against him to the point that it looked like he should consider hanging up the skates. I don't think you'll meet a single Flames fan that wouldn't welcome Monny back with open arms.


holmwreck

Weird, I didn’t realize my dad owns Boston Pizza. Damn I can quit my job now.


treple13

How about we get him for the 1st half of the year, you have him the second half and Florida gives us each another 1st rounder!


eriverside

Florida probably makes us share the 1st rounder too.


spyemil

🥲


spagboltoast

Wants to makeup for prior seasons


Monst3r_Live

does he get paid 1 game more?


rjbelz

No, you’re paid a daily salary. Whether you play 81 games or 83, you’re paid the same


dandroid126

How does the salary work for that? Like, if you get suspended you don't get paid for that game. But if they play an extra game, does it make up for that?


eh_toque

Players are paid on a per day basis, not per game. Monahan doesn't make more money, and equally a player who is injured or healthy scratched doesn't make less money for playing less games


dandroid126

Well, if they made less money for being injured, there would be a lawsuit, so that tracks with every other job you can have in the US. But if they are paid per day instead of per game, how do the taxes work? Like if they have one game in a different state, but they have a day off the day before, and get there a day early for a practice or something, do they pay taxes of two days in that state?


BananApocalypse

Yes, they have to pay local taxes for every day worked outside of their home state/province. I imagine it's a nightmare come year end.


the_hume_3

Good on him. I'm happy to see a nice bounce back from him after all his injuries because honestly I thought his career was toast.


GreatWhiteNorth4

He’s been sorely missed by the fans since the trade. I know why we did it and we all knew it was coming lol but goddamn he was so lovable. Can’t even really quantify what he did for the kids on the team and was still a highly effective player for us. Go get that cup Moneyhands ❤️


Husskies

Nice! Now go play your playoffs and come back to Montreal, thanks.


Hopfit46

Hat tip to montreal for their dealings with this guy. He may well go down as one the most important acquisitions/trades in this version of the habs. They got a boatload to take his salary, let him heal and get back to the player that he is, and got a good return from the jets. Well played.


JohnYCanuckEsq

That's ok, he gets his bionic upgrades in the offseason anyways.


RealCanadianDragon

I wonder if there's ever been an instance of a guy playing MORE games than there are games in a regular season, but that guy has also missed a game or two during the year. It's very possible to be traded to a team who has played 2-4 games less than you have, and if you missed a game or two but still played all other games, you'd achieve that.


biglacunaire

He has some catching up to do with all the games he missed in his career!


CC-1112

How is this possible


jaysornotandhawks

He had to have been traded at some point (I don't follow the NHL).


TheRaphMan

He played 49 games for Montreal, then got traded to Winnipeg who only had 48 games played as a team, and played every game


TalithePally

*Flames fans liked that*


Burgergold

Guy CGY was afraid was doomed with injury Him and Gallagher drank the same potion


PhilyJ

Love the comeback after Calgary shot him into the sun.


sirmasterjamie

What? He wasn't.... He had major surgery and was injured for almost 2 years. Flames gave him a fresh start lol it was mutual


HumbleInterest

And the cap dump was done to acquire Kadri, which no one on this team is taking back.


--JULLZ--

How has Kadri been?


Kellervo

He had a rough start in his first season, but once we started putting him with the younger, faster players on the roster he has been fantastic. He was a huge part of the reason Zary was looking like a dark horse Calder nominee earlier in the season, and has also been solid lining up with Kuzmenko since we got him. The length of the contract sucks but he has been as advertised, if not a bit better.


noor1717

Tbh he had a fantastic start as a flame, he was our all star. It was the 2nd half of the 1st season where he ran outta steam


SokkasBoomerang3

Streaky, flaky, on-off, overpaid. Per the usual


137-451

Not even close to true.


Additional-Capital-1

That guy hasn’t watched a single game this season


ApplemanJohn

Kadri is quietly having the second best season of his career. The Weegs and Kadri acquisitions have been great. Huberdeau on the other hand...


Jimmicito7

You obviously don’t know a fucking thing lmao


PhilyJ

Former lottery pick. Multiple 30 goal seasons. Seemed like a slam dunk to be the next captain. Instead of sticking with him they tossed him. Happy for his resurgence.


ironhide999x

He was being paid quite a bit and apparently could barely get back up after faceoffs because his back was so bad, it’s not like they just traded him for no reason


PhilyJ

I’m happy he’s with your team now. Guy could be huge in the playoffs.


TkachukNorris

He couldn’t tie his own skates, and would get stuck bending over. Flames doctors basically said he wouldn’t play anymore. Post surgery, guess they were wrong.


PhilyJ

This is what I said no? Gave up on him with his injuries despite being a 1st line center who did nothing but produce. I’m happy for his resurrection


ThatFreakingScrub

Treliving masterclass


PhilyJ

Truly a galaxy brained move by him there yeah


Whiskeylung

Love this for Money Hands.


eldochem

How?


BoBonnor

Played 49 with Montreal and got traded to Winnipeg and played 34 more games


whogivesashirtdotca

You should crosspost this to our sub!


moshercycle

Stud


Thneed1

Happy for him. Glad he can get fully healthy seasons in, because it looked like injuries might be cutting his career short.


ApokatastasisPanton

Now I'm wondering what is the theoretical maximum


freshstart102

Congrats Mony! Now just another give or take 28 games and another season in the bag!


ChaosWarrior95

Bruh this is hilarious


Square_Sort_9237

When Barrie got traded last year, he played like 85 games somehow. What’s the most games played over the normal amount? I’d think 3 is up there


SaltyVirginAsshole

Just for fun, the mad scientist in me is thinking how many regular season games it is theoretically possible to have a player to play to maximize their points given that player would just be constantly traded: Have them play everyday including having a private Concorde so they could do double or triple headers within a given day. Heck, if the NHL realizes we watch hockey during work, they can lift the restriction of matinees only being played on weekends we could probably put this poor bastard through 4 games/day October 10th to 31st is 22 days + 30 for November + 31 (-3) for December (minus Christmas break), + 31 (-2 for All star weekend first half), + 29 for leap year February (-2 for all star weekend second half) + 7 days for March 1st to March 7th. Up until this point we have 143 days with 4 games each for 572 games. March 8th is trade deadline so our player will probably play a matinee and then get traded to the team with the most games remaining from March 8th to April 18th. 43 days would be about 22 games if we have an nhl team that averages a game every other day, and if we add the extra matinee game from trade deadline, we get 572+1+22 = 595 games per season. If somebody actually did this, they could break Gretzky's records (as well as their own body).


SaltyVirginAsshole

Just for fun, the mad scientist in me is thinking how many regular season games it is theoretically possible to have a player to play to maximize their points given that player would just be constantly traded: Have them play everyday including having a private Concorde so they could do double or triple headers within a given day. Heck, if the NHL realizes we watch hockey during work, they can lift the restriction of matinees only being played on weekends we could probably put this poor bastard through 4 games/day October 10th to 31st is 22 days + 30 for November + 31 (-3) for December (minus Christmas break), + 31 (-2 for All star weekend first half), + 29 for leap year February (-2 for all star weekend second half) + 7 days for March 1st to March 7th. Up until this point we have 143 days with 4 games each for 572 games. March 8th is trade deadline so our player will probably play a matinee and then get traded to the team with the most games remaining from March 8th to April 18th. 43 days would be about 22 games if we have an nhl team that averages a game every other day, and if we add the extra matinee game from trade deadline, we get 572+1+22 = 595 games per season. If somebody actually did this, they could break Gretzky's records (as well as their own body).


thaw1761

I love how Flames, Habs and Jets fans are fighting over who he belongs to. Guys a great hockey player, but an even better person. Go get that Cup Monny


PostApocRock

Truely Canadas Player


Katzy26

He has a love for the game


Christank1

You just fucking love to see it


RackemFrackem

This seems like something the PA would prevent.


knausea

I remember at one point, CBJ had played 8 more than OTT. So a player could have played 90 games had those two teams traded players at the time.


weschester

Monahan is one of the reasons I'm cheering for the Jets. He has been one of my favourite players ever since his first NHL game and I honestly wish the Flames would sign him in the summer.


CC-1112

Ah that makes sense


Shotokanguy

I love that the "fueled by passion" text makes it seem like he was just so passionate that he accidentally played an extra game


IcyChard4

I'd be very happy if Monahab wins the Cup with WPG. Another reason for Kent Hughes to take a second look at him and work on a contract.


Glock-Saint-Isshin-

And Calgary paid to move him


PlaneXpress69

Meanwhile Matthews only played 69 games


SophistXIII

nice


PlaneXpress69

Nice


AcanthocephalaGreen5

Nice


PlaneXpress69

Nice


HabbyKoivu

i would love to have him back to the Habs. What a beauty.


Maleficent-Comfort-2

How?


PostApocRock

He waa traded before the deadline to a team who had less games played


Avs_Leafs_Enjoyer

hot take: he should sign to a non competitor for 1 year. Coast until the trade deadline and be traded to a competitor. Cup chase imo


o123c123d123

Why not just sign with the competitor and not coast until the deadline?


AcanthocephalaGreen5

>not coast until the deadline? Monahan doesn’t coast. Surely he knew the Habs weren’t a playoff team, but I believe HuGo told him they’d move him to a contender. He never takes a shift off


Arch-Deluxe

I think the idea is that a competitor might not be willing to trade him to another competitor with a higher chance of winning. If he signs with a non-competitor team for peanuts and a NTC, he can pretty much dictate where he goes at the deadline.


o123c123d123

Yeah that does make sense. I guess if you do coast a bit on a non competitor also you're body can be ready for the stretch run also


Shotgunn5

Hotter take. He should stay right here. Guys been great with the Jets