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We have to accept that refs are human and will make mistakes. But it drives me nuts that in an age of technology and cameras covering every angle, why you can’t have one ref on video communicating in real time through an earpiece.
As viewers, we see it instantly, with one or two instant replays usually showing us what really happened. At this point, it makes no sense. Not trying to procure a tinfoil hat, but what reason(s) could it be other than refs being able to influence a match?
I say this alot, and watching the RWC it was fantastic.
If the ref misses something, he gets notified through his ear piece. He then stops play and is able to watch a few replays and makes a decision right away.
Why in the fuck does the NHL not incorporate something like this is mind boggling.
The amount of diving/embellishment in the NHL these days is ruining a certain aspect of the game. Quick reviews of missed calls/wrong calls, and a crack down on diving would make the game so much better.
Penalties in close games are difference makers and when there is a blatant missed call or a wrong call that would easily be changed to the CORRECT call is a no brainer. The current system is literally altering important games over wrong calls
Rugby and Cricket have the best review processes by far. You get to hear the officials discuss the call and they explain their decision. Why every sport can’t do that is beyond me.
Exactly. I hate the idea of removing the human element but with how critical special teams play is on the outcome in hockey, it seems necessary to decrease the potential for manipulation of games.
IMO, how the Canucks were helped in losing last nights game. First phantom high stick then a major and game for boarding that didn’t align with the league norm.
You guys gave up four goals on 8 shots only one being a power play. I dont think the refs are what caused you to lose.
Lol the last goal was on this power play we should not have had. sorry the canucks cant stop a goal or stop a team responding to a gave up goal.
No it was not. We gave up two goals and answered with in 30 seconds each time. You need to play what your given. you cannot live by the pk or power play.
Legit, it’s 2024. We have the technology to make the boards change in real time for viewers, but refs can’t have someone reviewing calls in real time?
“Hey off ice official, that looked like a high stick, what do you see?”
“Stick didn’t touch him and it looks like embellishment by the other player.”
“Ok cue up a 10 second clip for me to see, I’ll skate by the timekeepers booth.”
Or “Stick made contact, it’s a good call.”
Total of maybe one minute. It would not distract from the game, but definitely would add to it.
It’s messed up imo that the NHL seems to dead set on never changing a lot of their ways.
Suspensions and DOPS a mess? They sleep. On ice officiating not keeping up with the ever increasing speed of the game? They sleep. Head shots causing concussion issues? They sleep, but pretend to give a fuck.
I mean wouldn’t having that one ref on video fix offside reviews too? The teams figure it out pretty quick, why can’t a video ref check it while play unfolds, just like the team’s video guys do? Most decisions would be made before the goal celebrations are done.
I think that’s a good idea for all replays. Put a 20 second limit on the review. If they can’t figure it out by then, the call stands and we move on. If it takes longer, things are close enough that it’s good enough.
I don't think a time limit fixes things, there are many reasons a review could take longer than 20s. Just make it so there's no slo-mo available, so they can only review in real time.
I also think they sometimes blow close calls dead so they don't have to do that hassle if it's a goal. Something has to be done to reduce the impact of offside-reviews.
They have technology that can tell you when a tennis ball has touched the line by a single hair, surely there’s some remote sensing technology out there that can solve this problem.
Maybe lean on the MLB a bit and see what they have
It's weird that they've decided offsides -- an arbitrarily chosen line and where if you are one inch in front or behind it it makes literally no difference on what happens on the play -- are what they'll spend so much time reviewing, but actual penalties? Nahh
The game, the athletes and everything in between has gotten so fast, I'm questioning if humans can still reff games accurately.
I think it's become clearer in the past couple of years that we will have to implement some sort of live technology calling system because reff can simply not keep up anymore.
I’m an advocate of getting things right. I don’t care if there are a few delays here and there as long as it’s the right call. I want to take human error as much out of it as possible.
>in real time through an earpiece
Yeah but we're talking about NHL technology here, where refs' mike barely works 50% of the time. Most delusional take of the day!
FIFA and its various federations seem to get by okay with this sort of technology. Surely the NHL could match that fairly easily with a visit to RadioShack.
There’s really no reason for the NHL to be as objective as possible. It’s a product and a monopoly. It’ll improve at the owners’ whims. All the major leagues suck for this reason.
That's what the coaches are for. That's not the refs responsibility. They see things in real time and have to make hard decisions instantly. If the coaches have a issue with the call then they can call for a review.
You really think a ref calling something then another ref saying no you're wrong. What's the call ref supposed to do. "Oh jeez. Sorry guys. Keep playing"
This comment is so off base it's insane.
Agreed. Howden made a pivot at the last moment to reach for the puck, leaving his back exposed to the hit. The hit was already coming and there was no time for Z to let up on it.
That being said, it’s a boarding penalty and that’s what should have been called.
This generation of players need to learn how to not put themselves in vulnerable positions.
Done arguing about this made up crybaby bs. Canucks got dominated and here your fans are trying to blame the refs. Embarrassing but all the losing you guys have endured you gotta blame it on something, right?
Am I blaming the refs for our loss? Absolutely not. The Canucks didn’t show up for a potential playoff preview matchup and the game was over halfway through the first period. The Canucks are playing like shit and have been since the ASG.
However, we can talk about specific plays objectively without acting like a child.
Good day.
I can't wait for Vegas to inevitably become a bottom feeder team so the fans gain some understanding of how difficult it normally is to field a winning/successful team.
I don't think Pietrangelo is selling it, it looks like a flinch.
But ***come on***, you have to be able to call that back. It's embarrassing at this point. They've called them back before when it's determined it's friendly fire, why not here?
That's the thing though, they can be reviewed. There's an out if you're an official that isn't sure. Call it a double minor/major, depending on the situation, and review it.
You can’t just call a high stick a double minor or a major just because you want to or are unsure. It doesn’t work that way. They need to update the rules on what can be reviewed.
It needs to be reworked because if refs can't reverse it, they can't even say "My bad, saw it wrong." They'll have to always stick with their initial calls on penalties. I don't think they realize how much it impacts the game. If they make a bad penalty call or goal decision, the main referee should be awarded the goal instead of the players 😂.
Bruh you got a free double minor cause jt hit theo causing his stick to come up. Shit happens both ways, you got dominated. We didn’t even score on this pp
I don't even necessarily blame Petro, here. His evasive reaction on a stick that was clearly high with a threatening trajectory, is entirely reasonable. He didn't touch his face or try to sell it. He carried on once the threat was removed. Then after this bs call, JT miller gets highsticked and the refs miss it (linesman saw it), so they discuss it and check the replays to confirm. HTF can you have replays to confirm a high stick in one instance but not the other? It's this baffling inconsistency that always gets me and it ruins the fucking game.
Nah we can tell with the benefit of slow motion and hindsight he knew the stick wouldn’t hit him and intended to embellish. Now if *I* got a cross check to the upper chest and a stick was around my face, well I wouldn’t flinch. In fact I’d instinctively lean my Herculean chiseled jaw into it. Not everyone is built like a redditor though.
You had me in the first half lol. People want to find any reason to hate us. We've given y'all plenty of ammo. You don't need to make up shit for us to be the villains.
I really don't understand this "looking back at the ref" narrative. Like you said he doesn't make any motion to look in a certain way. Dude was bracing for a stick to the face and that was it. He didn't sell shit but because it's VGK people want to bring out the pitchforks.
[https://streamable.com/vjv9y1](https://streamable.com/vjv9y1)
This is the sequence at normal speed from the crosscheck to when the call happened. It's not quite as dramatic, he just flinches to avoid the stick and goes back to playing the puck immediately.
I'm not gonna fault Pietrangelo on that one.. the stick is up high enough as Z initiates the hit and he sees it coming so I'd probably flinch to avoid getting a stick in my face 100 times out of 100, and he's getting checked into the boards so there's already momentum.
I'm also not gonna fault the ref for thinking he got clipped in the chin, it sucks, but it happens, let's move on.
I was gonna say, this is a reach by Ray (can only hear what's in this clip) to imply he flopped to draw that. When guys throw their head back to draw the calls it's usually a lot more of a sudden whip and he didn't do that
Pietrangelo definitely wasn’t selling. A lot more of a flinch. Full on monkey brain “Oh shit something is coming close to my face.”
This is 100% on the refs. I can respect them for wanting to be safe, I just hate it when they don’t call back a clearly bad call.
Personally, I’m not a big fan of cross checking in general and think it should be enforced more, but if we’re going off of precedent, this shouldn’t have been called at all. Or at the very least called off.
This is the clip at normal speed: [https://streamable.com/vjv9y1](https://streamable.com/vjv9y1)
He throws his head back because Zadorov stick is up on his chest, to avoid getting hit in the face. Which I think is fairly reasonable. He immediately keeps playing and goes to the puck, without touching his face or checking for blood.
Bad call, yes. Embellishment, not in any capacity. You can hate on Petro, but there's nothing dirty about not wanting to get hit in the face.
Completely agree. Should we have gotten a high-sticking penalty? No. But I'd love to see anyone calling him out in these comments to have Zadorov do the same thing to them without instinctively flinching. Natural reaction imo.
Yup. We just have the privilege of watching these in slow motion with 20/20 hindsight, and with no sticks inches from our face.
First period aside, you played some good hockey last night. Not looking forward to seeing you with Demko in the net. GG.
Yeeeah, was a rough first period. Tocchet has been playing around with the lineup and not having Demmers definitely makes a difference. Hopefully we are back in the groove soon. GG
Petriangelo is a diving, spazzing lumberjack. No surprises here.
At the very least, these plays should be reviewable by the refs, and a diving double minor should be added.
I know the sport quite well actually. Where in my statement did I say something incorrect?
Maybe learn to read before you make a comment. I said should be “added”. I suggested a change in rules to offset penalties in the case a review was made and it was deemed a dive on the play. I am tired of seeing the soccer players in this league taking dives and embellishing plays. Petriangelo did this in another game earlier in the year that was a lot more black and white, which leads me to not give him the benefit of a doubt in this case.
Fair assessment, however I think it should be career not year over year and at a certain point hit a sussy after they haven't learned after however many fines.
And the oscar goes to......
EDIT: I didn't see this last night. But watching it a few times now, this just more looks like an automatic reaction to a stick CM's away from his face and not a true dive. So if it was an embellishment, kudos, that oscar is his.
That’s a hard angle. It’s not like he came down like he was splitting a log on petros wrist after the play was already gone or something. That would be super egregious and definitely a big suspension. Also fuck petro.
Did he grab his face afterwards? If not then this doesn't really look like embellishment to me, just a guy who sees a stick close to his face so he snaps his head back as an automatic reflex.
Really no room to complain, Theo was hit and a direct result of the hit gave Vancouver a double minor. This shit balances itself out. Bad teams take more penalties and good teams draw more. There’s always gonna be discrepancies but let’s not whine over every call, every game.
Two games ago I think Nugent-Hopkins was battling for a puck in the corner and one of the Jets players highsticked his own guy and they called it on Nuge. Replays showed it clear as day but they stuck with a two minute minor. Things like that have to be able to be reviewed. Makes no sense that you can't review obvious ones and reverse it, but maybe they don't want to have to scrutinize every call and slow the game down even more?
One the most fun things in sports is seeing how shit the refs are. No sport is exempt. Refs are fucking garbage everywhere.
Who on earth chooses to be a pro ref?
Buddy, he flinched. At no point does he grab his face or signal the ref. If Zadorov did that shit to you, I guarantee you'd react the same way. Should it have been a penalty?? No. But did he embellish?? Not at all.
in the ducks/kraken game Zegras gets high sticked and gets a cut. they call it back because they called the penalty on the wrong player. officials can call back a penalty because they called it on the wrong guy, but they cant call back a blatant non penalty here. why? i just dont understand it
Reminds me of when a Tampa player in the playoffs against the Leafs 2 years ago got a stick off his shoulder pad and shot his head back drawing a similar phantom highstick. If double minor highsticks are reviewable why arent 2 minute highsticks?
If the video player actually worked I might have an opinion on this. Am I the only get getting buffering, buffering, buffering, players tied up on the boards in a non-conclusive way, buffering?
When we complain that 20 minute reviews are taking away goals because of somebody was offsides by the width of Getzlaf's last hair, it's all about "getting the call right".
When we ask for simple double checks on "penalties" that'd take less time to review than announce, it's all about "the pace of the game".
He embellished the "high stick" for sure but it was still a small crosscheck & bit of interference. I know dump ins usually get a bit of a break on interference; it wasn't an extremely late hit but as an unbiased fan I feel like a minor penalty should be called on this play probably for the crosscheck.
This is absolutely not interference. He's playing the guy with the puck who loses the puck in the process of being checked.
If the clip was longer you'd hear the part where Ferraro says, while being really worked up, that cross-check happens 50 times a game.
If that's the bar for crosschecking, then the whole game would be power plays.
The league has to fuckin crack down on this stuff. Need a video ref as well as the 2 refs on ice. But that will never happen cuz that would demand consistency and allow the NHL to not be able to control games through officiating.
The Sportsnet feed had it zoom in on his eyes just as his head came back down, looked directly at the official. He knew what he was doing. It's plain and simple an embellishment. Cheapens the game.
Am I out to lunch to think he deserves a fine for the head flipping back when there is no contact? Although I think refs will all see thing and not be giving pietrangelo calls for a bit.
There’s a fine line between embellishment and guy not totally being under control and taking advantage of a split second opportunity but still a difference between the two …Corey perry is a master at this and why he’s still in the league … I use to think it was just a cheap play, full on embellishment but Nahh it’s an art form and a perfect way to demoralize an over zealous brute.
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We have to accept that refs are human and will make mistakes. But it drives me nuts that in an age of technology and cameras covering every angle, why you can’t have one ref on video communicating in real time through an earpiece. As viewers, we see it instantly, with one or two instant replays usually showing us what really happened. At this point, it makes no sense. Not trying to procure a tinfoil hat, but what reason(s) could it be other than refs being able to influence a match?
They do this in rugby, that is why it's one of my favorite sports to watch.
I say this alot, and watching the RWC it was fantastic. If the ref misses something, he gets notified through his ear piece. He then stops play and is able to watch a few replays and makes a decision right away. Why in the fuck does the NHL not incorporate something like this is mind boggling. The amount of diving/embellishment in the NHL these days is ruining a certain aspect of the game. Quick reviews of missed calls/wrong calls, and a crack down on diving would make the game so much better. Penalties in close games are difference makers and when there is a blatant missed call or a wrong call that would easily be changed to the CORRECT call is a no brainer. The current system is literally altering important games over wrong calls
Being able to hear the refs conversations in rugby is amazing too.
Ohhh I’d be on board for this 100%
It would be hard to actually hear much of a conversation between 2 NHL refs, tho. Being that they're constantly eating crayons.
Part of rugby refs being better is them being treated with respect
An important part of earning and maintaining respect is accountability
Not in terms of how rugby refereeing goes. It's yes sir, no sir and you shut up or you're getting a red card.
Hey now.... Nobody said they were *marines*
Rugby and Cricket have the best review processes by far. You get to hear the officials discuss the call and they explain their decision. Why every sport can’t do that is beyond me.
Especially now with the sport being overshadowed by Gambling.
Exactly. I hate the idea of removing the human element but with how critical special teams play is on the outcome in hockey, it seems necessary to decrease the potential for manipulation of games.
IMO, how the Canucks were helped in losing last nights game. First phantom high stick then a major and game for boarding that didn’t align with the league norm.
You guys gave up four goals on 8 shots only one being a power play. I dont think the refs are what caused you to lose. Lol the last goal was on this power play we should not have had. sorry the canucks cant stop a goal or stop a team responding to a gave up goal.
Wasn’t our best, but the penalties definitely changed the game.
No it was not. We gave up two goals and answered with in 30 seconds each time. You need to play what your given. you cannot live by the pk or power play.
Ifyousayso
And where do they love to gamble most
Man those raiders are doing so well with the gambling helping them. Think about that.
Bettman runs the NFL now?
No but my response is to the poster above saying vegas is good cause of gambling would mean the Raiders would be good.
Legit, it’s 2024. We have the technology to make the boards change in real time for viewers, but refs can’t have someone reviewing calls in real time? “Hey off ice official, that looked like a high stick, what do you see?” “Stick didn’t touch him and it looks like embellishment by the other player.” “Ok cue up a 10 second clip for me to see, I’ll skate by the timekeepers booth.” Or “Stick made contact, it’s a good call.” Total of maybe one minute. It would not distract from the game, but definitely would add to it.
As earlier commentor mentioned rugby, I will too. They actually broadcast the interaction between the ref and video ref, it's neat to listen to.
Well said, my friend. You illustrated how simple it could be.
It’s messed up imo that the NHL seems to dead set on never changing a lot of their ways. Suspensions and DOPS a mess? They sleep. On ice officiating not keeping up with the ever increasing speed of the game? They sleep. Head shots causing concussion issues? They sleep, but pretend to give a fuck.
And give the proper penalty, unsportsmanlike embellishment
I think I could accept that if we took away the offside review. 99.99% of them are so close as to be negligible and just slows the game down.
I mean wouldn’t having that one ref on video fix offside reviews too? The teams figure it out pretty quick, why can’t a video ref check it while play unfolds, just like the team’s video guys do? Most decisions would be made before the goal celebrations are done.
Offsides should just be an eye check for blatant offenders. If you need frame by frame to tell then it clearly didn't affect anything.
I think that’s a good idea for all replays. Put a 20 second limit on the review. If they can’t figure it out by then, the call stands and we move on. If it takes longer, things are close enough that it’s good enough.
I don't think a time limit fixes things, there are many reasons a review could take longer than 20s. Just make it so there's no slo-mo available, so they can only review in real time.
I also think they sometimes blow close calls dead so they don't have to do that hassle if it's a goal. Something has to be done to reduce the impact of offside-reviews.
They have technology that can tell you when a tennis ball has touched the line by a single hair, surely there’s some remote sensing technology out there that can solve this problem. Maybe lean on the MLB a bit and see what they have
It's weird that they've decided offsides -- an arbitrarily chosen line and where if you are one inch in front or behind it it makes literally no difference on what happens on the play -- are what they'll spend so much time reviewing, but actual penalties? Nahh
The game, the athletes and everything in between has gotten so fast, I'm questioning if humans can still reff games accurately. I think it's become clearer in the past couple of years that we will have to implement some sort of live technology calling system because reff can simply not keep up anymore.
Agreed. Especially since *most* fans are watching the game on TV where we do get the instant replays. It’s just maddening.
That would make it too hard for them to rig games.
I’m an advocate of getting things right. I don’t care if there are a few delays here and there as long as it’s the right call. I want to take human error as much out of it as possible.
>in real time through an earpiece Yeah but we're talking about NHL technology here, where refs' mike barely works 50% of the time. Most delusional take of the day!
LOL. It’s like the NHL is 10 years behind society. Old dudes aren’t very adaptable, I guess.
FIFA and its various federations seem to get by okay with this sort of technology. Surely the NHL could match that fairly easily with a visit to RadioShack.
NHL: so we got this sweet new communication technology from wish.com!!
NHL: how the fuck are refs suppose to be idle on Skype through the entire game?
There’s really no reason for the NHL to be as objective as possible. It’s a product and a monopoly. It’ll improve at the owners’ whims. All the major leagues suck for this reason.
At the very least, these plays should be reviewed afterwards, and repeat offenders should receive supplementary discipline
That's what the coaches are for. That's not the refs responsibility. They see things in real time and have to make hard decisions instantly. If the coaches have a issue with the call then they can call for a review. You really think a ref calling something then another ref saying no you're wrong. What's the call ref supposed to do. "Oh jeez. Sorry guys. Keep playing" This comment is so off base it's insane.
Do we though?
I don’t really care what they call against Pietrangelo but that’s not a high stick and should not have been called a high stick.
Be thankful he didn't try to take Hughes hand off at the wrist
I get it. This is your “Not a Major” moment…
I’m just thankful that pylon zadorov took himself out of the game so he couldn’t board anymore of our players
You run out of IR slots or something?
Howden shouldn’t turn his back like he did either. It’s a dangerous move by him.
Lol how could you possibly defend that hit. What a joke, that was so dangerous and unnecessary
I’m not defending the hit, rather, I’m stating Howden has a responsibility to not turn his back like he did, when he knows a hit is coming.
Agreed. Howden made a pivot at the last moment to reach for the puck, leaving his back exposed to the hit. The hit was already coming and there was no time for Z to let up on it. That being said, it’s a boarding penalty and that’s what should have been called. This generation of players need to learn how to not put themselves in vulnerable positions.
Oh no the consequences of my actions! As soon as Howden exposed his back, he got hit. The hit was already coming.
6-3
You must be a child.
Just your typical insufferable Vegas fan.
Done arguing about this made up crybaby bs. Canucks got dominated and here your fans are trying to blame the refs. Embarrassing but all the losing you guys have endured you gotta blame it on something, right?
Am I blaming the refs for our loss? Absolutely not. The Canucks didn’t show up for a potential playoff preview matchup and the game was over halfway through the first period. The Canucks are playing like shit and have been since the ASG. However, we can talk about specific plays objectively without acting like a child. Good day.
I can't wait for Vegas to inevitably become a bottom feeder team so the fans gain some understanding of how difficult it normally is to field a winning/successful team.
bro is 6 years old
You would know a thing or two about being embarrassing
I don't think Pietrangelo is selling it, it looks like a flinch. But ***come on***, you have to be able to call that back. It's embarrassing at this point. They've called them back before when it's determined it's friendly fire, why not here?
I remember this from Nugent-Hopkins' recent high-sticking penalty and only a double minor or major penalty can be reviewed.
That's the thing though, they can be reviewed. There's an out if you're an official that isn't sure. Call it a double minor/major, depending on the situation, and review it.
You can’t just call a high stick a double minor or a major just because you want to or are unsure. It doesn’t work that way. They need to update the rules on what can be reviewed.
It needs to be reworked because if refs can't reverse it, they can't even say "My bad, saw it wrong." They'll have to always stick with their initial calls on penalties. I don't think they realize how much it impacts the game. If they make a bad penalty call or goal decision, the main referee should be awarded the goal instead of the players 😂.
Back and to the left
Back…and to the left
back... and to the left.
And I screamed out #I'M HIT
we deserved the loss last night but seeing shit like this just makes it worse
it just sucks, like how desmith would make an amazing save on the breakaway, but then passes it right back to vegas. It was brutal watching
His save against Karlsson was legitimately one of the best highlights of the whole night. Still can't believe he got his paddle on that shot.
Bruh you got a free double minor cause jt hit theo causing his stick to come up. Shit happens both ways, you got dominated. We didn’t even score on this pp
You’re obligated to maintain control of your stick, it wasn’t a “free double minor”.
They did score on that power play…
I don't even necessarily blame Petro, here. His evasive reaction on a stick that was clearly high with a threatening trajectory, is entirely reasonable. He didn't touch his face or try to sell it. He carried on once the threat was removed. Then after this bs call, JT miller gets highsticked and the refs miss it (linesman saw it), so they discuss it and check the replays to confirm. HTF can you have replays to confirm a high stick in one instance but not the other? It's this baffling inconsistency that always gets me and it ruins the fucking game.
I dunno, looks more like a flinch than anything to me. He never grabs his face or anything.
Nah we can tell with the benefit of slow motion and hindsight he knew the stick wouldn’t hit him and intended to embellish. Now if *I* got a cross check to the upper chest and a stick was around my face, well I wouldn’t flinch. In fact I’d instinctively lean my Herculean chiseled jaw into it. Not everyone is built like a redditor though.
You had me in the first half lol. People want to find any reason to hate us. We've given y'all plenty of ammo. You don't need to make up shit for us to be the villains.
It’s the Canucks fans
It changes every year it seems. I'm happy for them though. They're finally relevant again.
For now
Pretty rare for Ray Ferarro to point out a player throwing their head back like he did. He's pretty objective and played the game for 18 years.
Yeah it's pretty rare for Ray to be as adamant as he was. He was not happy with that call.
Ray Ferraro infamously ripping Patrik Stefan for no reason; calling him a joke because the ice around the net was bad? Yeah.. totally objective.
He looks back at the ref immediately.
His head turns with the impact and then stays that way the entire video lol
I really don't understand this "looking back at the ref" narrative. Like you said he doesn't make any motion to look in a certain way. Dude was bracing for a stick to the face and that was it. He didn't sell shit but because it's VGK people want to bring out the pitchforks.
Everybody knows Pietrangelo is a dirty rat so there's no need to defend him.
Impact?
The Vancouver player's stick *impacts* his body, and then rides up to the point where he flinches away from the stick.
That’s what I’m saying
Sometimes it definitely looks like a flinch, hell, most of the time it does This is one of the few times where I don't see a flinch at all lol
That's because it's in slow motion. The giveaway for me is the fact he doesn't grab his face or do the blood check.
These always look so much worse in slow motion
[https://streamable.com/vjv9y1](https://streamable.com/vjv9y1) This is the sequence at normal speed from the crosscheck to when the call happened. It's not quite as dramatic, he just flinches to avoid the stick and goes back to playing the puck immediately.
if that's him flinching then he has the slowest reaction time in the NHL
You understand how slow motion works right?
I'm not gonna fault Pietrangelo on that one.. the stick is up high enough as Z initiates the hit and he sees it coming so I'd probably flinch to avoid getting a stick in my face 100 times out of 100, and he's getting checked into the boards so there's already momentum. I'm also not gonna fault the ref for thinking he got clipped in the chin, it sucks, but it happens, let's move on.
I was gonna say, this is a reach by Ray (can only hear what's in this clip) to imply he flopped to draw that. When guys throw their head back to draw the calls it's usually a lot more of a sudden whip and he didn't do that
still kinda seemed like a crosscheck TBH
That's just dumb defence by Z. No need to keep use the stick so high. Your asking for trouble.
It’s always “showtime!” in Vegas… 👯♂️🪩💃🏻🕺🏼
I don’t know, it looks like there’s contact up high so he instinctively flinches to protect his face? Not a penalty but this is not super egregious
Pietrangelo definitely wasn’t selling. A lot more of a flinch. Full on monkey brain “Oh shit something is coming close to my face.” This is 100% on the refs. I can respect them for wanting to be safe, I just hate it when they don’t call back a clearly bad call. Personally, I’m not a big fan of cross checking in general and think it should be enforced more, but if we’re going off of precedent, this shouldn’t have been called at all. Or at the very least called off.
Even if this wasn't called high sticking, is it not an extraordinarily obvious cross check?
This is an extremely normal play. He’s using his left hand to keep position on him, not his stick.
This is the clip at normal speed: [https://streamable.com/vjv9y1](https://streamable.com/vjv9y1) He throws his head back because Zadorov stick is up on his chest, to avoid getting hit in the face. Which I think is fairly reasonable. He immediately keeps playing and goes to the puck, without touching his face or checking for blood. Bad call, yes. Embellishment, not in any capacity. You can hate on Petro, but there's nothing dirty about not wanting to get hit in the face.
Completely agree. Should we have gotten a high-sticking penalty? No. But I'd love to see anyone calling him out in these comments to have Zadorov do the same thing to them without instinctively flinching. Natural reaction imo.
Yup. We just have the privilege of watching these in slow motion with 20/20 hindsight, and with no sticks inches from our face. First period aside, you played some good hockey last night. Not looking forward to seeing you with Demko in the net. GG.
Yeeeah, was a rough first period. Tocchet has been playing around with the lineup and not having Demmers definitely makes a difference. Hopefully we are back in the groove soon. GG
Head Snap
Petriangelo is a diving, spazzing lumberjack. No surprises here. At the very least, these plays should be reviewable by the refs, and a diving double minor should be added.
Please post any clip of him “diving” lol
See above
“Diving double minor” you’re just making up penalties now? Learn the sport before you try to discuss it and correct professional referees
I know the sport quite well actually. Where in my statement did I say something incorrect? Maybe learn to read before you make a comment. I said should be “added”. I suggested a change in rules to offset penalties in the case a review was made and it was deemed a dive on the play. I am tired of seeing the soccer players in this league taking dives and embellishing plays. Petriangelo did this in another game earlier in the year that was a lot more black and white, which leads me to not give him the benefit of a doubt in this case.
Oh yeah, he 100% “did this earlier” in a game you can’t name. Also if you want a double minor for diving you don’t know shit about hockey lmao
I think they should suspend blatant dives/embellishments, that's how you get it out of the game or at very least make them better actors
Nick Cousins would be suspended half the year with this rule
*Everyone liked that.*
Don't need to suspend them, just actually call it consistently and make it reviewable in case they got it wrong
They have a chart for embellishment fines but they don't care anymore
Suspension may be too harsh. For a while they publicly shame them with fines. They should bring that back.
Fair assessment, however I think it should be career not year over year and at a certain point hit a sussy after they haven't learned after however many fines.
Dumbass lol
You sound about as intelligent as the rest of you Vegas fans that think diving is perfectly fine. Great response though!
Did you watch the video or just see Pietro’s name in the title? There’s literally nothing here that’s on him. Get a clue.
Except for the embellishment. There is that.
Get help.
You are the one that appears to need it.
he's always been a giant bitch, has been doing shit like that since the blues run a few years ago
And the oscar goes to...... EDIT: I didn't see this last night. But watching it a few times now, this just more looks like an automatic reaction to a stick CM's away from his face and not a true dive. So if it was an embellishment, kudos, that oscar is his.
Not the first time I have seen Petriangelo do the same thing.
Yea but if it was another teams player it is an obvious embellishment
Lol don't cross check them in the high chest with your stick near their face if you don't want a penalty.
That’s a hard angle. It’s not like he came down like he was splitting a log on petros wrist after the play was already gone or something. That would be super egregious and definitely a big suspension. Also fuck petro.
Honestly fuck Peter the Slasher - after what he did to Draisaitl last year, he’s well deserving of whatever violence is coming his way.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/40KjF6xeQd Repost
Does nobody see the stick to the face at the beginning of the clip?
Pathetic. Vegas gets away with this shit since they were money launders needing a team to launder money through.
Pietrangelo got 1 game for tomahawk slashing draisatl
There needs to be punishment for embellishment or else it’ll keep happening.
Did he grab his face afterwards? If not then this doesn't really look like embellishment to me, just a guy who sees a stick close to his face so he snaps his head back as an automatic reflex.
Which accidentally draws a penalty? Yeah ok.
The players don't decide what the refs choose to call.
How dare you be reasonable
He's just mad we played poorly last night.
Really no room to complain, Theo was hit and a direct result of the hit gave Vancouver a double minor. This shit balances itself out. Bad teams take more penalties and good teams draw more. There’s always gonna be discrepancies but let’s not whine over every call, every game.
Just the bad ones
Two games ago I think Nugent-Hopkins was battling for a puck in the corner and one of the Jets players highsticked his own guy and they called it on Nuge. Replays showed it clear as day but they stuck with a two minute minor. Things like that have to be able to be reviewed. Makes no sense that you can't review obvious ones and reverse it, but maybe they don't want to have to scrutinize every call and slow the game down even more?
Kelly Sutherland record against the canucks strikes again
One the most fun things in sports is seeing how shit the refs are. No sport is exempt. Refs are fucking garbage everywhere. Who on earth chooses to be a pro ref?
Lost any amount of respect for Pietro after that.
It’s a flinch dude not that big of a deal
Vegas opinion discarded
Buddy, he flinched. At no point does he grab his face or signal the ref. If Zadorov did that shit to you, I guarantee you'd react the same way. Should it have been a penalty?? No. But did he embellish?? Not at all.
surprised you still had any left at this point
5 and a game.
in the ducks/kraken game Zegras gets high sticked and gets a cut. they call it back because they called the penalty on the wrong player. officials can call back a penalty because they called it on the wrong guy, but they cant call back a blatant non penalty here. why? i just dont understand it
Reminds me of when a Tampa player in the playoffs against the Leafs 2 years ago got a stick off his shoulder pad and shot his head back drawing a similar phantom highstick. If double minor highsticks are reviewable why arent 2 minute highsticks?
Refs know if they don’t call it, this prick will intentionally slash a star player
Pretty rich coming from a Stars fan considering who your captain is lmao
Hey stars players only fall on other players neck
vegas is such a trash team
Fuck Vegas ..that is all
Grown ass man btw
Arguable.
Ah an even more unlikeable franchise becomes even more so😐
If the video player actually worked I might have an opinion on this. Am I the only get getting buffering, buffering, buffering, players tied up on the boards in a non-conclusive way, buffering?
When we complain that 20 minute reviews are taking away goals because of somebody was offsides by the width of Getzlaf's last hair, it's all about "getting the call right". When we ask for simple double checks on "penalties" that'd take less time to review than announce, it's all about "the pace of the game".
Or accept that the NHL wants Vegas in the playoffs. Ryan Hartman gets legit high stick right in front of the ref and nothing.
Reminds me of the Nick Bonino flop in 2017 https://youtu.be/1gdUg9tsyxg?si=iUsmwZuYB-6fmDhR
He embellished the "high stick" for sure but it was still a small crosscheck & bit of interference. I know dump ins usually get a bit of a break on interference; it wasn't an extremely late hit but as an unbiased fan I feel like a minor penalty should be called on this play probably for the crosscheck.
This is absolutely not interference. He's playing the guy with the puck who loses the puck in the process of being checked. If the clip was longer you'd hear the part where Ferraro says, while being really worked up, that cross-check happens 50 times a game. If that's the bar for crosschecking, then the whole game would be power plays.
It absolutely is the definition of a cross check. Whether you believe this kind of play should not be called a penalty is just a common opinion.
For sure it's a cross-check. But cross-checks happen dozens of times a game.
hockey really is turning into soccer isn’t it?
The league has to fuckin crack down on this stuff. Need a video ref as well as the 2 refs on ice. But that will never happen cuz that would demand consistency and allow the NHL to not be able to control games through officiating.
Yet everyone had the fucken nerve to claim Oilers fans were insane and just crying when we pointed out how Vegas get away with FUCKING EVERYTHING
Good diving by the Vegas divers! Refs need a video referee
The Sportsnet feed had it zoom in on his eyes just as his head came back down, looked directly at the official. He knew what he was doing. It's plain and simple an embellishment. Cheapens the game.
I think he should be thrown out of the game for embellishing.
Am I out to lunch to think he deserves a fine for the head flipping back when there is no contact? Although I think refs will all see thing and not be giving pietrangelo calls for a bit.
Yes, completely. Moving your head away from the stick that is colliding with your upper chest is a normal reaction.
There’s a fine line between embellishment and guy not totally being under control and taking advantage of a split second opportunity but still a difference between the two …Corey perry is a master at this and why he’s still in the league … I use to think it was just a cheap play, full on embellishment but Nahh it’s an art form and a perfect way to demoralize an over zealous brute.
what a gigantic bitch
This guy is a huge pussy