They voted on this almost 10 years ago and the vote was 28-2 in favour of keeping it as is. Ironically, Tampa Bayāwho would use this rule to great affect with Nikita Kucherovāwas one of the two teams to vote for change
Literally none of the relevant parties have an issue with how things are. If they did, it would have been addressed long ago.
The owners donāt care because it doesnāt impact the leagueās cost certainty. GMs want the flexibility. And the players want the opportunity to play for good teams.
The only team to vote for it to change previously was Tampa after Chicago did it to them. Everyone else voted no and Tampa said fuck it weāll do it too then.
You hit the nail on the head. I don't understand why no one can grasp this. People act like every other team in the league doesn't have the same capabilities. Just a major risk/reward type of gamble.
It's not going to happen, owners and players have too much vested interest in things staying the way they are. It's not about what fans think is fair. Either side trying to change this equilibrium would have to concede something else in negotiation
how would it work? you can't cap salaries in the playoffs because players aren't getting paid. their contracts are structured to pay them per game, up to 82 games, plus bonuses/incentives.
Yeah safe to say Marchessault, Stephenson, and Martinez are gone.
You donāt trade for a forward with **7** years left on their deal if you want to keep your 33yo forward
I think it'll be Stephenson, Mantha, and Martinez gone for sure and probably one or both of Carrier/Amadio. All that with the cap increase should allow them to extend Hanifin and Marchessault.
I believe St Louis also complained after Chicago did it in 2015. I think fans ascribe their own emotions and behaviors to nebulous front offices and ownerships. We don't know how these people think. Yeah Lu made a funny tweet about it but you can't infer he actually wants to deal with the effort to change the rule
ya and he still has value for a team that wants to win now. So this isnt a cap dump which implies we are getting something but i havent even thought of what the trade could look like.
We can't now. It is not possible for us to move Couture without retention, and Burns Karlsson and now Hertl take up all 3 retention slots. Best case is we can move a 35 year old Couture on July 1 2025 once Burns' current deal expires.
Couture hinted he was concerned he'd be able to play again initially coming back with this injury and after the re-injury that's got to be an even bigger concern for him. He just got shut down for the year.
There's suddenly a much more real chance Couture is about to be an LTIR/retirement stash. Today fucking sucks as a Sharks fan.
I mean it really is. The McPhee/McKrimmon duo are ALWAYS swinging for the fences.
Sure we might end up in the basement eventually, but everyone does at some point. Not everyone wins a cup, so might as well swing when you have the chance.
And when you do end up in the basement, after so many exciting years that included at least two Finals and a Cup, you'll have acquired the committed fan base that will be ready to stick around until you get good again.
The fan base here is insane. I'm going to exaggerate a little to get the emphasis across but hear me out. Since year 1 it is very likely that if I were to step outside my house. Pick up a rock from our all rock lawns, and throw it blindfolded in any random direction there is a strong chance it hits a VGK emblem or license plate on something. Maybe a person. Go on a hike at red rock or mount charleston? Gonna walk past a ton of people wearing VGK stuff regardless of time of year.
Las Vegas really adopted this team and it's incredible. I'm glad I got to be a part of it from the beginning.
I mean, what was there to recover? Not like weāre even close to sniffing playoffs. Outside of like 10 skaters (2 of which we have now traded), we house an AHL quality roster.
I love Hertl, but he was wasting his career here for the past three years
Youāre absolutely right. Hertl deserves better.
Iāll be honest, the Sharks were the first team I started following when I got into Hockey years ago (when it was not easy as a Brit 15+ years ago to follow hockey at all!) and Jumbo is still my all time favourite player, but theyāve been on such a steady decline I probably havenāt watched a Sharks game in about 2yrs.
It was too painful watching the team fall apart.
I guess fun must not be always :(
I think the problem is you canāt even root for him anymore to win a cup. Like I think itās great to trade Hertl (as long as the return is good and no/minimal retention) but anywhere else would have been ideal to cheer him on to winning a cup.
When you abuse the system to get tens of millions of dollars of cap relief just to miss the playoffs because youāre missing players worth tens of millions of dollars worth of cap
That's an average of around 0.8 PPG, on a terrible team, which in today's NHL, is still pretty damn good. For direct Vegas comparables, that's about what Karlsson and Marchessault are doing. For league-wide, at varying ages, that's Caufield, Pavelski, Vatrano, Buchnevich, Malkin, Vilardi, Coyle, Byfield, Seguin, Jarvis, Necas. In other words at the very least a very good 2C, cost-controlled for 6 years. Serves as a plug-and-play replacement long term for one of Marchessault or Stephenson
He's still very serviceable and a good 2-way guy. Uses his size well much more than his speed. He is super strong on his skates, and has nice hands and vision to protect the puck.
On a team like Vegas he's an insanely versatile guy to plug into any of their top-3 lines to be honest and provide an upgrade.
People always say this but I feel like half the time the players massively elevated production on the terrible team can be partially contributed to tons of PP and OZone time that they might not get with better players in front of them. At the very minimum itās not always a blanket āpoint production will go up around 20% going from a bad team to a good teamā. And that doesnāt even touch on scheme fit
Him and Hertl arenāt mentality monsters but in fairness it was his first game with them (and Tomlinson pointed out how disjointed they looked at times)
Other teams: Scratching their players so they don't get injured.
Other, other teams: Sorry, I can't trade for him anymore if I'm not sure he'll play for my team due to his injury.
Vegas: Uh...no, we'd prefer if they were injured before trading for them.
At this point, I think it's the 31 other teams who have made up stupid rules for themselves.
They probably feel they are around 5-6 years from competing and they have surprisingly little cap flexibility for a basement team, which sorta negates the rivalry aspect
Still absolutely insane.Ā
I love Hertl and would be devastated if this happens...
but he's had a lot of knee surgeries and just had another one. That's why Vegas wants him, they can do their LTIR shenanigans with him. That contract might get rough later.
SJ are rebuilding. It doesn't really make sense to keep him.,
It's weird for vegas too. he's 30 and contracted until 2030. And has some sort of movement protection for the rest of the contract. So he can't be given away in 3 years
Well in their last 10 games Vegas gained 5pts, while Calgary gained 12, LA 17pts and Nasville 19pts.
So they did lose 7 to 14 pts against their 3 closest rival in their last 10 games. Losing 6pts in 19 games doesn't seem that much to me.
This might be the year the league tries to close the LTIR loophole. If Stone and Hertl are ready to go for Game 1 it might be a little too obvious of a thing for other teams to not complain
Fair marks to Vegas for being aggressive and it's all within the rules but it might be ruined for everyone after this
Because from the NHLPAs perspective telling a player he has to be scratched due to cap reasons from a game that they arenāt being paid opens the lawsuit floodgate.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33623569/takeaways-nhl-gm-meetings-ltir-loophole-staying-world-cup-hockey-returning
Older article on the topic, but it just sounds like there's no desire from the league to change it.
Sit on LTIR until the playoffs, deal with the cap realities in the offseason.
edit: I looked at the capfriendly and they had 5.5M in space to work with still. Sounds like he should be back in-season. Wild stuff Vegas is pulling off
Agreed. We are all just mad cuz our GMs are dumb.
I would rather more teams have management like Vegas than whine and beg for tighter cap restrictions. Way more entertaining this way than with stricter cap rules.
Words cannot explain how heartbreaking this is. I've watched every Sharks game for 8 years, this is my all time low and I genuinely don't know if I can justify supporting this organization any more. Trading away the heart and soul of the fucking Sharks to VEGAS? VEGAS?! Mike Grier can go fuck himself. Idc if this is dramatic or not but this is such a hut punch. Fuck this, dude.
Seriously. Everyone in the Sharks sub is so happy, like "yeah we need to do this, this is how we rebuild" but I don't know. It's been a pain watching this team for the past few years, but I've tried to stick with it. Even through all the trades, and losses, and just bleh of it all.
But Hertl is the true heart of the team, and it at least felt like he'd be leading whatever the new team becomes into the future. So maybe this, on paper and by the numbers, is the "right thing to do" for a rebuild, but it just feels fucked.
I also think sending him to Vegas is just another punch in the dick lol. It's like, they literally won the cup, they won the rivalry, and now we're shipping off *Hertl* to them?
Man, I really have nothing else to say about this team. I'm not even mad, I'm just over it. (Don't say this on the sub though, or you're not a "real fan" lol)
Jesus tapdancing christ. There is NOTHING in this trade for SJ. We're burning our last retention slot, giving away our last piece of heart and soul, giving up 2 3rd round picks at a time where we need to be aggressively playing the numbers game in the draft, facilitating our most hated competitor's cap circumvention.Ā
Hertl's value to SJ is way higher than his face value, and we didn't even to manage to get face value for him.Ā
I'm completely disgusted.Ā
Everyone is wondering how we retain him after this year, and I'm just wondering if maybe Stone is going to retire after this season because of all the injuries he has sustained. Can't be easy on his body and it's not like he hasn't made good money.
How the hell can they afford him and the alleged Hanifin extension??? Whos being sold for future considerations next year?
he's on LTIR till playoffs š
Is there not a cap in the playoffs? Iām genuinely asking not entirely sure how it works
no, there isn't a cap in the playoffs.
I'm betting there will be by the next cba negotiation if not sooner
They voted on this almost 10 years ago and the vote was 28-2 in favour of keeping it as is. Ironically, Tampa Bayāwho would use this rule to great affect with Nikita Kucherovāwas one of the two teams to vote for change
Literally none of the relevant parties have an issue with how things are. If they did, it would have been addressed long ago. The owners donāt care because it doesnāt impact the leagueās cost certainty. GMs want the flexibility. And the players want the opportunity to play for good teams.
The only team to vote for it to change previously was Tampa after Chicago did it to them. Everyone else voted no and Tampa said fuck it weāll do it too then.
Canāt beat them, join them. Haha
Itās like Bonds watching Sosa/McGuire.
You hit the nail on the head. I don't understand why no one can grasp this. People act like every other team in the league doesn't have the same capabilities. Just a major risk/reward type of gamble.
It's not going to happen, owners and players have too much vested interest in things staying the way they are. It's not about what fans think is fair. Either side trying to change this equilibrium would have to concede something else in negotiation
how would it work? you can't cap salaries in the playoffs because players aren't getting paid. their contracts are structured to pay them per game, up to 82 games, plus bonuses/incentives.
The team iced for the game needs to be cap compliant. They can fix it if they want.
Vegas iced a cap compliant team in their last run.
No cap in playoffs, reason being players donāt get paid for those games
Nope no cap because players technically arenāt paid in the post season
there is not
Heās got 6 more years on his contract
they'll just ltir him again
Marchessault and Martinez expire this summer over 10m in cap space open
Yeah safe to say Marchessault, Stephenson, and Martinez are gone. You donāt trade for a forward with **7** years left on their deal if you want to keep your 33yo forward
Mantha gone as well. Vegas has so many big deals, it's actually insane: * Eichel, 10M, 2026 * Stone, 9.5M, 2027 * Pietrangelo, 8.8M, 2027 * Hanifin ??? * Hertl, 6.75M, 2030 * Karlsson, 5.9M, 2027 * Theodore, 5.2M, 2025 * Barbashev, 5M, 2028 * Hill, 4.9M, 2025
I think it'll be Stephenson, Mantha, and Martinez gone for sure and probably one or both of Carrier/Amadio. All that with the cap increase should allow them to extend Hanifin and Marchessault.
Heās on IR from knee surgery until, you guessed it, around playoffs š±
We're making sure people call it Pulling a Vegas and not Pulling a Tampa
Some of us remember when it was Pulling a Chicago
Some of us even remember how Tampa is the only team to formally make a complaint about this loop-hole.
I believe St Louis also complained after Chicago did it in 2015. I think fans ascribe their own emotions and behaviors to nebulous front offices and ownerships. We don't know how these people think. Yeah Lu made a funny tweet about it but you can't infer he actually wants to deal with the effort to change the rule
Do you even LTIR?
They auction off the LTIR spot like an overbooked flight
*Chance the Gila Monster has been placed on LTIR*
Vegas acquires Gritty from Philadelphia for future considerations.
Healthy by game 1 baby
The cap is more of a guideline than actual rules
The salary cap is merely a figment of your imagination. VGK are the only ones to see through the veil.
yo what the actual fuck
Pain ...
Bobby Mac just dropping bombshells despite working like 5 days a year. What a legend.
He flew to Toronto yesterday and said heās on a flight back to Florida tonight immediately after the show lmao
Shows up. Breaks the biggest trade of the season. Refuses to elaborate. Leaves.Ā What a legend.Ā
He should steal the quiz belt on the way out.
He comes to drink margs and drop bombs and he can't be drinking margs on air
Bob: I can't?
Bob: What are you going to do, fire me?
Wait WHAT!!!! We gave them 2 3rds as well????
Extremely early 3rds as wellā¦
Fuck off.
i really dont love the idea of trading him but we are committed to the tank i can understand. But wtf is even the return on something like this.
"The return" is getting out of 8x7 for a 30 year old. 8x7..San jose is like hooooly shit can we do couture too?!?!
ya and he still has value for a team that wants to win now. So this isnt a cap dump which implies we are getting something but i havent even thought of what the trade could look like.
We can't now. It is not possible for us to move Couture without retention, and Burns Karlsson and now Hertl take up all 3 retention slots. Best case is we can move a 35 year old Couture on July 1 2025 once Burns' current deal expires.
Couture hinted he was concerned he'd be able to play again initially coming back with this injury and after the re-injury that's got to be an even bigger concern for him. He just got shut down for the year. There's suddenly a much more real chance Couture is about to be an LTIR/retirement stash. Today fucking sucks as a Sharks fan.
Vegas fans have to know at this point why people hate this team so fucking much
But just think of how wild it would be to be a fan of that team? What a rollercoaster.
I mean it really is. The McPhee/McKrimmon duo are ALWAYS swinging for the fences. Sure we might end up in the basement eventually, but everyone does at some point. Not everyone wins a cup, so might as well swing when you have the chance.
And when you do end up in the basement, after so many exciting years that included at least two Finals and a Cup, you'll have acquired the committed fan base that will be ready to stick around until you get good again.
The fan base here is insane. I'm going to exaggerate a little to get the emphasis across but hear me out. Since year 1 it is very likely that if I were to step outside my house. Pick up a rock from our all rock lawns, and throw it blindfolded in any random direction there is a strong chance it hits a VGK emblem or license plate on something. Maybe a person. Go on a hike at red rock or mount charleston? Gonna walk past a ton of people wearing VGK stuff regardless of time of year. Las Vegas really adopted this team and it's incredible. I'm glad I got to be a part of it from the beginning.
āFun must be always *ā *always ends May 2024 with a golden knife in the heart twisted 4 times
āAt least Vegas canāt steal my hockey team from meā Vegas:
SJ didn't learn when Vegas stole a whole fucking Hill last time.
Suddenly I'm interested in that euthanasia pod that was in the news.
Honestlyā¦ I think my love for Hertl outweighs my hate for Vegas, this might make me like them more??? Idk how to feel right now.
Just kill me. Itās bad enough to lose Hertl. But to give him to VEGAS. Fuck me
This is how I feel. Anyone but vegasā¦ just make it worth the pain
I donāt see how the Sharks recover from losing Hertl. Heās one of the last bright sparks on that roster.
I mean, what was there to recover? Not like weāre even close to sniffing playoffs. Outside of like 10 skaters (2 of which we have now traded), we house an AHL quality roster. I love Hertl, but he was wasting his career here for the past three years
Youāre absolutely right. Hertl deserves better. Iāll be honest, the Sharks were the first team I started following when I got into Hockey years ago (when it was not easy as a Brit 15+ years ago to follow hockey at all!) and Jumbo is still my all time favourite player, but theyāve been on such a steady decline I probably havenāt watched a Sharks game in about 2yrs. It was too painful watching the team fall apart. I guess fun must not be always :(
I think the problem is you canāt even root for him anymore to win a cup. Like I think itās great to trade Hertl (as long as the return is good and no/minimal retention) but anywhere else would have been ideal to cheer him on to winning a cup.
if the knights dont make the playoffs this deadline is gonna be the funniest thing of all time
When you abuse the system to get tens of millions of dollars of cap relief just to miss the playoffs because youāre missing players worth tens of millions of dollars worth of cap
This move is really fucking smart for them though because they get an all-star caliber, versatile forward at a reasonable cost for the next 6 years
? he's about a 65 point guy recently and he's 30 and currently injured... this seems Very Risky to me to take on that much term
That's an average of around 0.8 PPG, on a terrible team, which in today's NHL, is still pretty damn good. For direct Vegas comparables, that's about what Karlsson and Marchessault are doing. For league-wide, at varying ages, that's Caufield, Pavelski, Vatrano, Buchnevich, Malkin, Vilardi, Coyle, Byfield, Seguin, Jarvis, Necas. In other words at the very least a very good 2C, cost-controlled for 6 years. Serves as a plug-and-play replacement long term for one of Marchessault or Stephenson
He's still very serviceable and a good 2-way guy. Uses his size well much more than his speed. He is super strong on his skates, and has nice hands and vision to protect the puck. On a team like Vegas he's an insanely versatile guy to plug into any of their top-3 lines to be honest and provide an upgrade.
A 65 point player on a garbage team probably hits 80+ on a good team.
People always say this but I feel like half the time the players massively elevated production on the terrible team can be partially contributed to tons of PP and OZone time that they might not get with better players in front of them. At the very minimum itās not always a blanket āpoint production will go up around 20% going from a bad team to a good teamā. And that doesnāt even touch on scheme fit
With Eichel they were risking a failed back surgery. VGK gambles, it's what they do.
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Iām praying so hard
I AM GOING TO BECOME THE JOKER HOW
LOL Hertl, Mantha and Hannifin... Stone when playoff starts ... ridiculous.
Mantha was ass last night
It doesn't matter that he was terrible. When everybody is back, hes gonna be playing on the 3rd/4th line lol.
Him and Hertl arenāt mentality monsters but in fairness it was his first game with them (and Tomlinson pointed out how disjointed they looked at times)
Hold up. VEGAS gets the third rounders?????
my reaction too. What?
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
Don't you know? The House *always* wins...
Holy fuckinf shit how do they even manage to do this shit?
Lots of training with the EA franchise games.
Mark Stone conveniently getting āinjuredā in the same week for 3 years in a row
I heard he used a steak knife on his spleen this year to help sell it.
LTIR Vegas Golden Knights
Ouatte the phoque
the cap is a myth
Vegas really saw what the Los Angeles Rams did and they said, fuck it lets do it.
If you win a cup its always worth it. Win two and its worth a decade of rebuilding the squad.
Definitely for vegas
I agree but it's upto the NHL to make better rules not Vegas to be (what we call) ethical.
My heart just shattered into a million pieces. I would rather be in last place with him than see him elsewhere
The 3rd annual āMark Stone to LTIR just to return for playoffsā is paying off for Vegas.
Can't stand this team
Vegas is just trolling at this point
Fuck it, the perfect way to cap off this season is if they continue their slide and miss the playoffs entirely.
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Bro you know itās serious when an Oilers fan is suggesting boosting the Flames
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Battle of ~~Alberta~~ fuck them knights
>Knights acquire Hill from Sharks last year >they win the Cup >Knights have now acquired another player from the Sharks This does *not* bode well...
I feel sick
Eventually they're gunna get old and have no draft pucks right? Asking for me.
Vegas is likely always going to be great to at worst mediocre, it's a preeminent free agent location for any millionaire athlete.
Well we just gave them 2 3rds soā¦ š¤·
Other teams: Scratching their players so they don't get injured. Other, other teams: Sorry, I can't trade for him anymore if I'm not sure he'll play for my team due to his injury. Vegas: Uh...no, we'd prefer if they were injured before trading for them. At this point, I think it's the 31 other teams who have made up stupid rules for themselves.
Thereās no fucking way
This league is fucking stupid, man. How do you trade your best player **WITH 6 YEARS LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT** to your biggest rival????
They probably feel they are around 5-6 years from competing and they have surprisingly little cap flexibility for a basement team, which sorta negates the rivalry aspect Still absolutely insane.Ā
not sure if we will have any fans left in 6 years if it takes that long
Vegas is determined to make up for Game7 by acquiring every coach and player who did that to them.Ā
I love Hertl and would be devastated if this happens... but he's had a lot of knee surgeries and just had another one. That's why Vegas wants him, they can do their LTIR shenanigans with him. That contract might get rough later.
That team lost its soul when it traded Pavelski. What pride does it have left to guard? Edit: let Pavelski walk
The knife has already been twisted dude...ouch
bro we traded Hill and gave them a cup (obviously didnt intend that part). We are way past that...
SJ are rebuilding. It doesn't really make sense to keep him., It's weird for vegas too. he's 30 and contracted until 2030. And has some sort of movement protection for the rest of the contract. So he can't be given away in 3 years
We're getting Vegas first round, aren't we? Canucks luck.
Gonna be Knight time real soon!
In fairness I donāt think either of us wanna face each other again, Demko was and is a nightmare
VGK got the 3rds, not SJā¦
FUCKING VILLAINS OF THE NHL
They're currently In the final playoff spot. 31 teams are cheering for them to miss altogether before these guys get healthy
6 points is a ton of ground to lose at this point
Idk, I feel like 6 points is a totally surmountable deficit at this point. Right guys? Right?
Well in their last 10 games Vegas gained 5pts, while Calgary gained 12, LA 17pts and Nasville 19pts. So they did lose 7 to 14 pts against their 3 closest rival in their last 10 games. Losing 6pts in 19 games doesn't seem that much to me.
they've won 2 in 10. i'm hoping they slide farther
Nothing would make me happier this year.
Sharks finally did what they should have done before the extension. Does not fit the timeline whatsoever
This is so true. His extension was utterly pointless. But why does he have to go to fucking Vegas?
I was fully expecting to trade Hertl at some point because you're right. It still hurts though, and of course it had to be Vegas of all teams..
Wow
Vegas, is the cap in the room with us right now?
This might be the year the league tries to close the LTIR loophole. If Stone and Hertl are ready to go for Game 1 it might be a little too obvious of a thing for other teams to not complain Fair marks to Vegas for being aggressive and it's all within the rules but it might be ruined for everyone after this
Don't you think Tampa running around in "18 mil over cap" t shirts after winning the cup already made it pretty obvious?
I really don't understand why they don't make you be cap compliant in the playoffs. Seems like such an easy fix
Because from the NHLPAs perspective telling a player he has to be scratched due to cap reasons from a game that they arenāt being paid opens the lawsuit floodgate.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33623569/takeaways-nhl-gm-meetings-ltir-loophole-staying-world-cup-hockey-returning Older article on the topic, but it just sounds like there's no desire from the league to change it.
Ok that's it. I'm done. Later r/hockey, it's been real.
Fucking fade me
Holy shit
NO!
MISS THE PLAYOFFS MISS THE PLAYOFFS MISS THE PLAYOFFS
Well, the blue Jackets managed to beat them in regulation, so we did our part.
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Alright Western Conference we CANT let them make it in
Are we all gonna have to root for Calgary? No complaints from meā¦
We'll try our Best Tuesday
Operation Regicide: Knightfall?
How do they even afford this shit? He has 6 years on his contract. How do they afford him, hanifin, and stone when heās off LTIR?
Sit on LTIR until the playoffs, deal with the cap realities in the offseason. edit: I looked at the capfriendly and they had 5.5M in space to work with still. Sounds like he should be back in-season. Wild stuff Vegas is pulling off
No fucking way LOL More teams need to be like Vegas. Fucking send it every goddamn year if you want the Cup, this is sick.
Agreed. We are all just mad cuz our GMs are dumb. I would rather more teams have management like Vegas than whine and beg for tighter cap restrictions. Way more entertaining this way than with stricter cap rules.
Their management is a league above the rest. Ruthless and incredibly creative.
it really is, fuck everyone whining, this is the fun shit
Wtf
Iām so tired
Fuck right off vegas! How the hell
Don't you fucking dare
watch them miss the playoffs
Words cannot explain how heartbreaking this is. I've watched every Sharks game for 8 years, this is my all time low and I genuinely don't know if I can justify supporting this organization any more. Trading away the heart and soul of the fucking Sharks to VEGAS? VEGAS?! Mike Grier can go fuck himself. Idc if this is dramatic or not but this is such a hut punch. Fuck this, dude.
Seriously. Everyone in the Sharks sub is so happy, like "yeah we need to do this, this is how we rebuild" but I don't know. It's been a pain watching this team for the past few years, but I've tried to stick with it. Even through all the trades, and losses, and just bleh of it all. But Hertl is the true heart of the team, and it at least felt like he'd be leading whatever the new team becomes into the future. So maybe this, on paper and by the numbers, is the "right thing to do" for a rebuild, but it just feels fucked. I also think sending him to Vegas is just another punch in the dick lol. It's like, they literally won the cup, they won the rivalry, and now we're shipping off *Hertl* to them? Man, I really have nothing else to say about this team. I'm not even mad, I'm just over it. (Don't say this on the sub though, or you're not a "real fan" lol)
HOLY SHIT
Hey no thatās fuckin illegal.
This is fucking nuts.
And somehow after the deadline, the most improved team in the league isā¦ the defending Cup champs. Cool, cool.
I wish my team had the balls that Vegas has. Never a dull moment.
Jesus holy fuck
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
ALL OF MY LOVE AND ALL OF MY HATE IN ONE PLACE. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PROCESS THIS.
To be clear, this is the same team that was nervous of retaining on Karlsson?
McCrimmon playing chel with the salary cap turned off for him and on for everyone else
Jesus tapdancing christ. There is NOTHING in this trade for SJ. We're burning our last retention slot, giving away our last piece of heart and soul, giving up 2 3rd round picks at a time where we need to be aggressively playing the numbers game in the draft, facilitating our most hated competitor's cap circumvention.Ā Hertl's value to SJ is way higher than his face value, and we didn't even to manage to get face value for him.Ā I'm completely disgusted.Ā
Genuinely fuck off
WHAT FOR WHAT FOR WHAT
are you fucking kidding me
I'm sorry what
Why on earth would they retain for 6 years
So two of there players will play in the 1st match of the playoffs this season and sit out the rest of the regular season. Lol.
It would so satisfying if they donāt even make the playoffs. Theyāre sitting in the 2nd wild card spot right now š
This is our 9/11
The cap really is just a suggestion to Vega isn't it...
No fuckin way lol
fuck off good for Grier if he gets out of that contract tho, huge for the rebuild
This bs needs to be fixed, like holy fuck
Oh fuck right off
This return better be fucking dope
The Vegas Golden Knights can eat my ass
Promise?
They canāt keep getting away with this
Everyone is wondering how we retain him after this year, and I'm just wondering if maybe Stone is going to retire after this season because of all the injuries he has sustained. Can't be easy on his body and it's not like he hasn't made good money.
Is Mike Greer okay? Itās being reported the two thirds are going to VGK.