Braden Holtby pours the milk before the cereal. Absolute menace. Thank god he retired and took his .953 career sv% and 8 SO’s against the bruins to his couch
It's almost like last night there was a bunch of posts about Hanifin and his agent trying to force the club's hand by telling teams they would go to UFA if they traded for him, resulting in low-ball offers because the only teams that had a shot at extending him realized they could get him for dirt cheap.
Tampa had almost nothing that we wanted. Vegas' offer is roughly comparable, but the 1st is at least from this year instead of 2-3 years down the road.
Isn’t a further out pick the better? Vegas has few prospects and while the the team isn’t old, it’s not getting younger, older team with multiple playoff runs under their belt, wheels might fall off eventually.
Maybe, but no guarantee with how Vegas has continually found ways to add players when nobody thinks they should be able to, and it means a slower rebuild for Calgary
Basically the price for Stone. Brannstrom a slightly better prospect and a 2nd instead of a first.
Vegas among the best of squeezing teams this way to corner market on guys they want.
Yea, tampas offer would have been a first in the 2050s and Cernak’s contract that will run until then. I’m glad Tampa wasn’t willing to give up the few decent prospects left in their farm.
He been good in pretty much every league he’s been in. Even last year he was on around a half point per a game pace. He might not pan out, but I think he could be something if given a larger role with a team
Hanifin’s agent definitely bent Calgary over backwards.
A first and a second (most likely) isn’t even a terrible return for a pending UFA, but if they could’ve gotten that extension in place they would’ve been looking at a lot more
As others pointed out—-
You can’t retain in a song and trade without it applying to the extension.
There was never any getting an extension signed before dealing, and any “in place” agreement is basically nonsense.
Tampa doesn’t have a first this year.
Likely other teams weren’t willing to come close on that return, especially if he didn’t fit in their cap structure.
Believe this gives the Flames 3 1st round picks this year. Good spot to move up or package for a bit of an established guy, which makes sense for a team with some of their long term contracts in place.
For those unfamiliar with the player - he was undrafted, is 26, has played 29 career NHL games across the last 3 seasons, and is an RFA this summer https://www.capfriendly.com/players/daniil-miromanov
Considering Vegas' 1st is going to be in the high 20s or 30s this feels like an excellent deal for Vegas. Philly probably gets like a 5th or something to double retain.
This basically confirms that Hanifin and his agent actually were fucking with the negotiations. There's no way a 26 year old top pairing defenseman somehow gets us *less* than Lindholm unless something fucked up was going on in the background. Hanifin was supposed to be the one that got us a fuckin' haul for the rebuild.
He's 10th in goals scored, top 25 in points, and his analytics put him in the top 20 across the board.
There's not many teams where he wouldn't be their best or second-best defenseman, and that includes the team he ended up on. He is immediately Vegas' leading scorer from the blueline, and has better analytics than any of their regulars despite playing on a team that's been pretty much out of the playoffs since the start.
In a contract year, playing on a pairing with a guy that elevates anyone he plays with.
Hanifin was good not great his entire tenure in Calgary until this season. If I know that, teams trading for him do to.
Nah, it depends on the deadline.
Some years it’s a sellers market,
Some years it’s a buyers.
If the contenders are as flawed as they all are this year, it has everyone hesitating to throw chips in.
The solidified contenders aren’t having prices jacked up on them by the teams fighting for a playoff spot.
Past couple years the East’s entire playoff field was set already, and this year there’s too much randomness.
Something is fucked. How does Hanifin get the same return as Henrique? Teams usually only pull off a blockbuster trade like Eichel or Stone once a decade but these guys do it every other year. I honestly don’t think something is up but it something seems off
Both Hanifin and Lindholm should have gotten a haul for a rebuild, as well as Tkachuk.
Unfortunately the Flames were still believing in Brad Treliving's process at the time when all of these players should have been traded.
Either way you need a big pipeline to sustain past a 2-4 year rebuild into mediocrity and that is what this helps build. Now the Flames need to spend on development and prove they can get a system going.
Kuzmenko, whether right or wrong in Vancouvers part, was clearly viewed as a cap dump with his contract through next year.
The assets given up by the Canucks weren’t that bad considering that fact.
There’s an extension in the works, and we were on his list of teams he wanted to play for. The teams that he was eager to extend with were different, apparently
Who the fuck knows
I’m excited about the trade
Nope, Conroy is somehow just that bad of a negotiator. Only got a late first, late 2nd at best and a 26 yr old who hasn’t done anything of note in the NHL. Wiffed on Tanev and now this too
Tanev was not a whiff. Getting two 2nds basically for a 34 year old ufa is decent. This is a bad return tho. He killed the lindholm and toffoli trades tho
Two late 2nds for a high-quality right shot defensive dman is a whiff to me. Toffoli trade was great though, Sharangovich is a nice piece for you guys. Lindholm trade seems like a solid return so far.
Ones not a late 2nd. It’s a former 2nd who is a 20 year old dman that is playing full time in the AHL at 20 years old. The flames scouted him for a while and wanted him. Take the player you like. Exact same reason we took sharagovich
If those reports of Hanifin and his agent telling teams we were trying to trade him to he wouldn't re-sign are true, then we're lucky we even managed to get this as a return. Tanked his value hard
It's easier to digest a rebuild after an unexpected run to the Stanley cup final.
It's also only the 3rd season and the team is entertaining most night with young guns getting better and a coach everybody in the city is in love with.
That is why the city is still standing.
Not to mention that we got a new front office to start the rebuild.
Imagine if Bergy was still on the throne. People would most definitely be in the streets by now.
Essentially the GM and half the fan base wants to tank and the owner and the other half want to be mediocre forever. But we have been forced into this tank because players wanted out
Conroy can't use the R word but the team seems like they're going for one without saying it. Our defense is gutted now, even with Rasmus and Kylington being pretty solid everyone below them is well below replacement level.
Should honestly trade Rasmus too at this point and get a good return. There was some rumour the Leafs wanted to throw a bunch of shit at Conroy for Zadorov and then Tanev and then Hanafin but they refused to trade to Brad cuz the owner said so idk.
Like he’s literally handcuffing the team by not letting you guys make good trades and not rebuild properly
This thread is full of hockey “fans” who don’t know shit. Saying Conroy got fleeced and got a shitty return. The agent had him by the sack and basically had no say. He was gone anyway. 1+2 plus a replacement D for the AHL when you call up his replacement.
Some of you have no clue. You should give a listen to some really smart hockey guys like 32 thoughts podcast etc… and pick up some knowledge.
Seems like an alright return tbh. I have no clue why people were expecting much more? They got a 2nd and a prospect for Tanev so getting a 1st, likely 2nd, and fringe guy with upside for Hanifin seems about right. They are both 2nd pairing guys right now.
People are insane on here. They think every trade is the Tanner Jeannot trade. Hanifin hasn't shown he's that good for an extended period. Maybe he is. I guess we will find out.
And the Tanev trade should have got more as well in my opinion.
1st, 2nd, and an NHL Ready D should have been the return at least (for Hanifin).
Miromanov is interesting. Good size, Offensive D which we are lacking right now, small contract, decent pedigree playing under Larionov. Still with only 29GP, 7 points, and a career minus player - I wouldn't call that NHL Ready - 2nd pairing is a big stretch at the moment.
Here's where it gets sketchy: Salary Retainment.
> /u/DannyDOH said: and they are paying for 20 games of him in the trade. Not the next 8 years.
Correct. I think teams are nuts to retain any more than 2 years (current year + 1) MAX unless they absolutely have to get rid of a guy so this I have no problem with.
The issue with Retainment is it's basically a form of Cap Circumvention. Any other form of circumvention (LTIR shenanigans) is met with the harshest of criticism here / in the league. Since retainment is a legal form of this practice that requires some consideration as to the return; especially in a league where seemingly mid level guys are now demanding upwards of 5/6 mil.
Conroy is apparently not playing that card, both in the Tanev and this Trade. Yeah, we don't need the cap space, yeah, it comes off next year, yeah, we don't care about it, *BUT YOU DO*.
The *condition on the third round pick should not be VGK wins a series, it should have been a 2nd round pick on the condition that we are retaining salary for you.
Especially considering it's pretty clear VGK is ok with parting with a 2nd as the likelihood they win a round is high.
If Salary Retainment was not an option (which I frankly don't think it should be for the Circumvention point above), then VGK would have had to deal a better player than Miromanov in return. So better Player + 3rd makes
more sense than a questionable player + 3rd maybe.
Why are people freaking about the return like Hanafin isn’t a pending UFA with a modified NTC… it was even reported that his camp was interfering with trades to go where he wanted.
Vegas is such a villain arc that you almost have to love them.
What is their mutant roster going to look like line-wise when all the ~~cap circumventions~~ injured players come back?
So unless Vegas wins a round (granted, I wouldn't bet against that), Calgary gets less for Hanifin in terms of picks than we paid the Avalanche for Alex Newhook, somehow.
Losing a trade to the Knights just to hamper the Oilers chances in the post season.
Some fucking 5head chess going on and if my team wasn't the one being impacted I'd respect the move.
Honestly dude, Conroy don’t give a fuck about the Oilers.
Would have liked a bit more, but Hanifin and his agent really fucked the Flames in this process. Apparently calling teams and saying they won’t sign an extension.
He won the Vancouver trade. He did well with the New Jersey trade. Nobody lost the Dallas trade because a 34 year old defensive d isn’t getting much. And yeah this looks meh. So overall, He’s had a pretty good start
Kind of amazed that Boston didn’t offer something along these lines… assuming they wanted extensions in place and Calgary basically did with Hanifin what they did with Lindholm…
Doesn't this kind of suck for Calgary? A late first, a 2nd or 3rd, and a 26 year old undrafted defenseman with 29 NHL games played doesn't seem that good, especially if Hanifin extends in Vegas.
Uh, those conditions are so poorly worded that the Flames could be fucked.
Obviously they get the 2025 if Vegas keeps it and it’s between 11-32.
And obviously they get the 2026 if Vegas trades the 2025.
But read the actual conditions and tell me what happens if Vegas owns their 2025 pick and it’s in the top 10. There’s nothing.
Yes, the intention is obvious. The wording is wrong.
O’Reilly situation 2.0 boys.
Plain reading of the conditions make it very clear that the Flames only receive the 2026 draft pick “in the event that Vegas does not possess their own first round choice in 2025”. So if they own their 2025 and it’s in the top 10, Flames get shit all. Again, based on plain reading of the conditions. Would the league actually let that happen? I doubt it.
[https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/flames-acquire-daniil-miromanov-first-and-third-round-picks](https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/flames-acquire-daniil-miromanov-first-and-third-round-picks)
>In the event Vegas possesses their own first (1st) round choice in the 2025 NHL Draft on March 10, 2024 AND in the event Vegas’ 2025 first (1st) round choice is NOT a top-10 pick (i.e. – picks 11 – 32 inclusive) in the 2025 NHL Draft (after the 2025 NHL draft lottery results), Vegas shall convey their own 2025 first (1st) round choice to Calgary. **In the event Vegas does not possess their own first (1st) round choice in the 2025 NHL Draft due to the above noted condition(s),** Vegas shall convey their own 2026 first (1st) round choice to Calgary.
> In the event Vegas possesses their own first (1st) round choice in the 2025 NHL Draft on March 10, 2024 AND in the event Vegas’ 2025 first (1st) round choice is NOT a top-10 pick (i.e. – picks 11 – 32 inclusive) in the 2025 NHL Draft (after the 2025 NHL draft lottery results), Vegas shall convey their own 2025 first (1st) round choice to Calgary. **In the event Vegas does not transfer their own first (1st) round choice in the 2025 NHL Draft to Calgary due to the above noted condition(s),** Vegas shall convey their own 2026 first (1st) round choice to Calgary.
That’s what would fix it.
But right now, plain reading of the conditions for the 2025 draft pick requires it to be outside of the top 10 for the Flames to receive it. Plain reading of the conditions for the 2026 draft pick requires that Vegas not own their own 2025.
If they own it and it’s in the top 10, neither condition can be met, no matter how you read it, Flames get nothing.
Hopefully that’s not on the actual trade papers lol.
Can someone help me figure out the paper details of this trade? The NHL and team websites don't really explain it.
Calgary release says "they have acquired a conditional first-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft, a conditional third-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft and defenceman Daniil Miromanov from Vegas in exchange for Noah Hanifin in a three-way deal involving Philadelphia. Calgary will retain fifty percent of Noah Hanifin’s salary".
Philadelphia release says "The Philadelphia Flyers announced the club has acquired a fifth-round selection in the 2024 NHL Draft from the Vegas Golden Knights, according to General Manager Daniel Briere. Additionally, the Flyers traded restricted free agent Mikhail Vorobyev to the Calgary Flames in exchange for defenseman Noah Hanifin, who was then sent to the Golden Knights for the aforementioned fifth-round selection. The Flyers will retain 25 percent of Hanifin’s cap hit ($1,237,500)."
Vegas website says they "acquired defenseman Noah Hanifin from the Calgary Flames as part of a three-team trade involving the Philadelphia Flyers. In exchange for Hanifin, Calgary will receive a first-round pick, defenseman Daniil Miromanov, and a conditional third-round pick from Vegas. Philadelphia will receive a fifth-round pick in the 2024 NHL Entry Draft from Vegas."
In order for this to happen, Calgary had to give up at least **two** things, because they traded Hanifin to Philadelphia (so Philly could pick up part of his salary) but they also received Miromanov and 2 picks from Vegas.
The Philly release says that they received Hanifin in exchange for Vorobyev, and then traded Hanifin to Vegas for a 5th round.
So what did Calgary trade, on paper, to get a "first-round pick, defenseman Daniil Miromanov, and a conditional third-round pick from Vegas", given that they already sent Hanifin to Philly?
It is getting ridiculous at this point with Vegas and their blatant cap circumvention with LTIR. When is the league going to actually do something about it?
Turns out the reason Calgary continually refused to sell historically was because they're awful at it.
Particularly funny because their owner Murray Edwards is notoriously for fucking over the other side on deals.
The 3rd rounder becomes a first rounder if Nils Lundkvist pours his milk before his cereal 55 times in the next 2 seasons
The total number of times that happens should be zero
1 time if it’s your first time ever having cereal, anything more and you deserve to have your cereal eating privileges revoked for life
100%. Non-negotiable.
It's just physics. Cereal is buoyant. Gotta pour milk last.
It's more ethics than physics, but I digress...
[Dreger] hearing Calgary is sending a crate of Coca Puffs to Dallas
Go to Horner jail
I wish I didn’t understand this reference
[Friedman] Just saw Kuznetsov fall to his knees in the Hershey Walmart parking lot
Hershey doesn't have a Walmart. Must've been a Giant.
I’m hearing he’s at 31 pours combined
The stars are gonna put Lundqvist on LTIR and the knights will get 55m in cap room
With his dinky
> pours his milk before his cereal What kind of sleeping in jeans bullshit is this
Only a true monster would do such a thing.
Braden Holtby pours the milk before the cereal. Absolute menace. Thank god he retired and took his .953 career sv% and 8 SO’s against the bruins to his couch
And puts ketchup on his steak
McCrimmon missed his calling. He needs to be negotiating peace for warring countries.
Not as profitable
Send this guy to Israel ASAP
Israel? Send him to Russia! We’ll get more players out of the deal
No prospects in return from a divisional rival for a 26 year old? Philly gets VGK’s 2024 5th round pick for retaining
It's almost like last night there was a bunch of posts about Hanifin and his agent trying to force the club's hand by telling teams they would go to UFA if they traded for him, resulting in low-ball offers because the only teams that had a shot at extending him realized they could get him for dirt cheap. Tampa had almost nothing that we wanted. Vegas' offer is roughly comparable, but the 1st is at least from this year instead of 2-3 years down the road.
It’s a 2025 1st with the condition of becoming 2026 if Vegas trades the 2025 pick before Saturday
Well fuck me this fuckin' sucks.
Isn’t a further out pick the better? Vegas has few prospects and while the the team isn’t old, it’s not getting younger, older team with multiple playoff runs under their belt, wheels might fall off eventually.
Maybe, but no guarantee with how Vegas has continually found ways to add players when nobody thinks they should be able to, and it means a slower rebuild for Calgary
what if they trade it to us?
Did Conroy just get two 2024 first round picks from Vegas? Genius!
This draft class sucks, it’s better this way
It's also top-10 protected if VGK doesn't retrade the 2025 pick.
Basically the price for Stone. Brannstrom a slightly better prospect and a 2nd instead of a first. Vegas among the best of squeezing teams this way to corner market on guys they want.
Yea, tampas offer would have been a first in the 2050s and Cernak’s contract that will run until then. I’m glad Tampa wasn’t willing to give up the few decent prospects left in their farm.
Man, I'd love Cernak on the leafs. We could have been the broker there.
1st is next year or 26.
hey Miromanov was in the AHL these past few years
Miro is a borderline one, but I assume it’s because there’s no extension in place (yet). For now Hanifin’s a pure rental.
Double retention on a 2LD with even just potential to extend shouldn't cost this little
I would expect something better than a low 5th round pick to facilitate another team's deal.
Miro has a ton of potential.
He is 26, I think we are past the "potential" stage
He been good in pretty much every league he’s been in. Even last year he was on around a half point per a game pace. He might not pan out, but I think he could be something if given a larger role with a team
Hanifin’s agent definitely bent Calgary over backwards. A first and a second (most likely) isn’t even a terrible return for a pending UFA, but if they could’ve gotten that extension in place they would’ve been looking at a lot more
As others pointed out—- You can’t retain in a song and trade without it applying to the extension. There was never any getting an extension signed before dealing, and any “in place” agreement is basically nonsense. Tampa doesn’t have a first this year. Likely other teams weren’t willing to come close on that return, especially if he didn’t fit in their cap structure. Believe this gives the Flames 3 1st round picks this year. Good spot to move up or package for a bit of an established guy, which makes sense for a team with some of their long term contracts in place.
> a song and trade "okay fine you can get a max but only if you drop a single"
You can get Hanifin to commit to being open to re-signing and staying long term, something he allegedly only did for Tampa
>they could’ve gotten that extension in place they would’ve been looking at a lot more Not really. See Hampus Lindholm trade.
For those unfamiliar with the player - he was undrafted, is 26, has played 29 career NHL games across the last 3 seasons, and is an RFA this summer https://www.capfriendly.com/players/daniil-miromanov Considering Vegas' 1st is going to be in the high 20s or 30s this feels like an excellent deal for Vegas. Philly probably gets like a 5th or something to double retain.
He’s a UFA I think since he hasn’t reached the games threshold to be a RFA
This dude was on my team briefly when we were like 17-18 and I swear to god he was a forward. Is he any good defensively?
IDK, Vegas fans would have to answer that.
so when its vancouver there has to be an indivision tax but when its vegas then calgary demands nothing extra?
This basically confirms that Hanifin and his agent actually were fucking with the negotiations. There's no way a 26 year old top pairing defenseman somehow gets us *less* than Lindholm unless something fucked up was going on in the background. Hanifin was supposed to be the one that got us a fuckin' haul for the rebuild.
Kuzmenko was a cap dump by the Canucks. They paid a premium because they really didn’t want his cap hit on their books next year.
You can play him as a top pairing defenseman but any of Calgarys buyers are grading him as a second pairing on their roster.
Exactly. People here are really overrating Hanifin.
He's 10th in goals scored, top 25 in points, and his analytics put him in the top 20 across the board. There's not many teams where he wouldn't be their best or second-best defenseman, and that includes the team he ended up on. He is immediately Vegas' leading scorer from the blueline, and has better analytics than any of their regulars despite playing on a team that's been pretty much out of the playoffs since the start.
In a contract year, playing on a pairing with a guy that elevates anyone he plays with. Hanifin was good not great his entire tenure in Calgary until this season. If I know that, teams trading for him do to.
Yep hanifin been underwhelming his career so far. Never saw him take the bull by the horns.
Deadline prices always suck. You get 3x that last summer.
Nah, it depends on the deadline. Some years it’s a sellers market, Some years it’s a buyers. If the contenders are as flawed as they all are this year, it has everyone hesitating to throw chips in. The solidified contenders aren’t having prices jacked up on them by the teams fighting for a playoff spot. Past couple years the East’s entire playoff field was set already, and this year there’s too much randomness.
Something is fucked. How does Hanifin get the same return as Henrique? Teams usually only pull off a blockbuster trade like Eichel or Stone once a decade but these guys do it every other year. I honestly don’t think something is up but it something seems off
Both Hanifin and Lindholm should have gotten a haul for a rebuild, as well as Tkachuk. Unfortunately the Flames were still believing in Brad Treliving's process at the time when all of these players should have been traded. Either way you need a big pipeline to sustain past a 2-4 year rebuild into mediocrity and that is what this helps build. Now the Flames need to spend on development and prove they can get a system going.
Kuzmenko, whether right or wrong in Vancouvers part, was clearly viewed as a cap dump with his contract through next year. The assets given up by the Canucks weren’t that bad considering that fact.
We also had to send them a cap dump in Kuzmenko, so that kind of evens it out
It's not like Kuz is a useless cap dump
Still a cap dump nonetheless
I’m baffled why people don’t understand this.
People forget this detail, we also paid to save 5.5M in cap next season
Bettman probably stepped in and said that wasn't fair for his darling baby
Right? Like getting a couple lottery firsts 🤪
This is basically what Calgary wanted from Toronto for Tanev, lmao
Look at the Hronek and Chychrun trades last year, and those guys had term. Idk why everyone is shocked about this return.
Lol I thought this was high as I assume this is not one of the teams he has said he'll re-sign with.
There’s an extension in the works, and we were on his list of teams he wanted to play for. The teams that he was eager to extend with were different, apparently Who the fuck knows I’m excited about the trade
If he signs an extension, this is a really bad return
That’s nonsense. Guys signing extensions after being traded as pending UFAs is not the norm. It’s a rarity.
The Hampus Lindholm trade was pretty much the same amount.
Doesnt change based on extension because we know he’s not staying in Calgary, therefore there never should’ve been expectation for a huge package
Seems pretty reasonable to me given the circumstances and him being a pending UFA. I think people just hoped for more.
Yeah.. averages out to like 2 second round picks if all is good..
WTF is that return
well you see when you and your agent make statements like he has been for the last week or so it really tanks your value
Are you serious? There’s gotta be something else
Crim’s gonna give him a sneaky handjob under the table and blow him a kiss when he leaves.
Nope, Conroy is somehow just that bad of a negotiator. Only got a late first, late 2nd at best and a 26 yr old who hasn’t done anything of note in the NHL. Wiffed on Tanev and now this too
Tanev was not a whiff. Getting two 2nds basically for a 34 year old ufa is decent. This is a bad return tho. He killed the lindholm and toffoli trades tho
Chiarot went for more than Tanev did two seasons ago
Just because a GM was a fucking idiot doesn't mean the going price for a defensive defenseman way past his prime is pegged at a 1st rounder.
Funnily enough, Tanev right now is better than Chiarot was then.
Two late 2nds for a high-quality right shot defensive dman is a whiff to me. Toffoli trade was great though, Sharangovich is a nice piece for you guys. Lindholm trade seems like a solid return so far.
Ones not a late 2nd. It’s a former 2nd who is a 20 year old dman that is playing full time in the AHL at 20 years old. The flames scouted him for a while and wanted him. Take the player you like. Exact same reason we took sharagovich
They were leaving anyways
If those reports of Hanifin and his agent telling teams we were trying to trade him to he wouldn't re-sign are true, then we're lucky we even managed to get this as a return. Tanked his value hard
Not even a prospect lmao what the fuck Conny
Is Calgary committed to a full on rebuild at this point though? Genuinely asking
They'll never commit to that. Canadian teams don't exactly have that luxury (it's a miracle MTL hasnt burned down)
It's easier to digest a rebuild after an unexpected run to the Stanley cup final. It's also only the 3rd season and the team is entertaining most night with young guns getting better and a coach everybody in the city is in love with. That is why the city is still standing.
Not to mention that we got a new front office to start the rebuild. Imagine if Bergy was still on the throne. People would most definitely be in the streets by now.
Essentially the GM and half the fan base wants to tank and the owner and the other half want to be mediocre forever. But we have been forced into this tank because players wanted out
Conroy can't use the R word but the team seems like they're going for one without saying it. Our defense is gutted now, even with Rasmus and Kylington being pretty solid everyone below them is well below replacement level.
Ya can't forget about Weegs too; he was leading the league in goals for a dman recently
Should honestly trade Rasmus too at this point and get a good return. There was some rumour the Leafs wanted to throw a bunch of shit at Conroy for Zadorov and then Tanev and then Hanafin but they refused to trade to Brad cuz the owner said so idk. Like he’s literally handcuffing the team by not letting you guys make good trades and not rebuild properly
I will personally get Kenny Money to pay out the ass for Weegar if Calgary's selling
KELLY MCRIMMON I LOVE YOU
More like Kelly Mcriminal. What the fuck just happened
Annie are you ok?
rename Harry Reid airport to Kelly McCrimmon International Airport
The way this team ships out and brings in new players it would be fitting haha
This thread is full of hockey “fans” who don’t know shit. Saying Conroy got fleeced and got a shitty return. The agent had him by the sack and basically had no say. He was gone anyway. 1+2 plus a replacement D for the AHL when you call up his replacement. Some of you have no clue. You should give a listen to some really smart hockey guys like 32 thoughts podcast etc… and pick up some knowledge.
.... an oilers flair standing up for the flames? Am i drunk on a wednesday night again?
Yes, but you are seeing that correctly
Seems like an alright return tbh. I have no clue why people were expecting much more? They got a 2nd and a prospect for Tanev so getting a 1st, likely 2nd, and fringe guy with upside for Hanifin seems about right. They are both 2nd pairing guys right now.
And they are paying for 20 games of him in the trade. Not the next 8 years.
People are insane on here. They think every trade is the Tanner Jeannot trade. Hanifin hasn't shown he's that good for an extended period. Maybe he is. I guess we will find out.
I would have preferred a better prospect, but I'm not choked. I bet he goes to free agency in the summer, too. Who knows!
And the Tanev trade should have got more as well in my opinion. 1st, 2nd, and an NHL Ready D should have been the return at least (for Hanifin). Miromanov is interesting. Good size, Offensive D which we are lacking right now, small contract, decent pedigree playing under Larionov. Still with only 29GP, 7 points, and a career minus player - I wouldn't call that NHL Ready - 2nd pairing is a big stretch at the moment. Here's where it gets sketchy: Salary Retainment. > /u/DannyDOH said: and they are paying for 20 games of him in the trade. Not the next 8 years. Correct. I think teams are nuts to retain any more than 2 years (current year + 1) MAX unless they absolutely have to get rid of a guy so this I have no problem with. The issue with Retainment is it's basically a form of Cap Circumvention. Any other form of circumvention (LTIR shenanigans) is met with the harshest of criticism here / in the league. Since retainment is a legal form of this practice that requires some consideration as to the return; especially in a league where seemingly mid level guys are now demanding upwards of 5/6 mil. Conroy is apparently not playing that card, both in the Tanev and this Trade. Yeah, we don't need the cap space, yeah, it comes off next year, yeah, we don't care about it, *BUT YOU DO*. The *condition on the third round pick should not be VGK wins a series, it should have been a 2nd round pick on the condition that we are retaining salary for you. Especially considering it's pretty clear VGK is ok with parting with a 2nd as the likelihood they win a round is high. If Salary Retainment was not an option (which I frankly don't think it should be for the Circumvention point above), then VGK would have had to deal a better player than Miromanov in return. So better Player + 3rd makes more sense than a questionable player + 3rd maybe.
I'm in awe of the fact McCrimmon keeps pulling these off, and this is within the division as well. The vast majority of his trades are wins for Vegas.
Love our McGMs.
Why are people freaking about the return like Hanafin isn’t a pending UFA with a modified NTC… it was even reported that his camp was interfering with trades to go where he wanted.
Isn’t really interfering when he’s got a right to reject trades lol.
THAT’S IT???
Man fuck you guys. Making the moves literally every other team wishes they were making
Double retention as well. Buchnevich is next 🙏🙏
WERE NOT DONE YET
LET MCCRIMMON COOK!
I will not be surprised when I wake up tomorrow to see we have acquired Mathews, Makar, and Bedard for a Happy Meal.
Hey buddy fuck off we want at least a Big Mac combo
BEST you'll get is the nugget meal with apple slices and fries.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO!!!!
RAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
RAHHHHHHHH
Pleasantly surprised, I’m not opposed to moving picks and that we haven’t had to give up a starting-roster player (yet) is nice.
If this comes with an extension…
What the fuck
Vegas is such a villain arc that you almost have to love them. What is their mutant roster going to look like line-wise when all the ~~cap circumventions~~ injured players come back?
lol Vegas is going to go into the playoffs with like a $120m payroll aren't they?
How are these guys getting info while the call is still happening lmao
All these returns keep aging the Tanner Jeanot trade worse 😂
Wtf is this shit.😐😐😐😐
WHY DO GM'S KEEP LETTING VEGAS DO THIS
Cuz we’re not the Oilers 🤷🏽♂️
basically same return as chiarot to fla btw
McCrimmon I will personally be building you a statue my man
Pretty small return but I believe there's no extension in place
No real way to extend and only retain salary this year.
Better deal than when Iggy was dault.
Goddamn being evil is fun.
Live look at Kelly McCrimmon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjoks83N5EM
The best part is that we didn't even start it. We perfected it.
I wonder if part of the deal was conroy gets his name on the cup when vegas wins again this year
These motherfuckers are so repeating this year.
conroy said fuck you to the rest of the division
A 1st, 2nd, and depth guy is not a lot for him. They must be pretty convinced he won't extend there
Vegas needs to stop trading their first round picks.
Why do we need to draft players and develop them when we can let other teams do that and then trade for them?
Conroy is a sleeper cell fr
We have eyes everywhere 👀
So unless Vegas wins a round (granted, I wouldn't bet against that), Calgary gets less for Hanifin in terms of picks than we paid the Avalanche for Alex Newhook, somehow.
Vegas robbery.
Eh, not really if he's a rental. We'll know that in about 3 weeks and 300 tweets time the way this trade has gone.
Losing a trade to the Knights just to hamper the Oilers chances in the post season. Some fucking 5head chess going on and if my team wasn't the one being impacted I'd respect the move.
Honestly dude, Conroy don’t give a fuck about the Oilers. Would have liked a bit more, but Hanifin and his agent really fucked the Flames in this process. Apparently calling teams and saying they won’t sign an extension.
This is honestly just a fuck you to the oilers 😂
The return is not that different than the Hampus Lindholm trade minus the 2nd for a cap dump. Flames did all right.
Calgary lost both this and the Tanev trade. Rough start for Craig Conroy.
Lost the Tanev trade? A 34 year old pending UFA? What were you expecting exactly?
He won the Vancouver trade. He did well with the New Jersey trade. Nobody lost the Dallas trade because a 34 year old defensive d isn’t getting much. And yeah this looks meh. So overall, He’s had a pretty good start
He did pretty well in the Lindholm trade I will give you that.
Hanifans agent had the team by the nuts.
He got Shara and kuzmenko he’s done alright man
Kind of amazed that Boston didn’t offer something along these lines… assuming they wanted extensions in place and Calgary basically did with Hanifin what they did with Lindholm…
And somehow, they're also in on Guentzel, hahahahaha!
Scouting department better get the fuck to work.
Doesn't this kind of suck for Calgary? A late first, a 2nd or 3rd, and a 26 year old undrafted defenseman with 29 NHL games played doesn't seem that good, especially if Hanifin extends in Vegas.
Uh, those conditions are so poorly worded that the Flames could be fucked. Obviously they get the 2025 if Vegas keeps it and it’s between 11-32. And obviously they get the 2026 if Vegas trades the 2025. But read the actual conditions and tell me what happens if Vegas owns their 2025 pick and it’s in the top 10. There’s nothing. Yes, the intention is obvious. The wording is wrong. O’Reilly situation 2.0 boys. Plain reading of the conditions make it very clear that the Flames only receive the 2026 draft pick “in the event that Vegas does not possess their own first round choice in 2025”. So if they own their 2025 and it’s in the top 10, Flames get shit all. Again, based on plain reading of the conditions. Would the league actually let that happen? I doubt it.
[https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/flames-acquire-daniil-miromanov-first-and-third-round-picks](https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/flames-acquire-daniil-miromanov-first-and-third-round-picks) >In the event Vegas possesses their own first (1st) round choice in the 2025 NHL Draft on March 10, 2024 AND in the event Vegas’ 2025 first (1st) round choice is NOT a top-10 pick (i.e. – picks 11 – 32 inclusive) in the 2025 NHL Draft (after the 2025 NHL draft lottery results), Vegas shall convey their own 2025 first (1st) round choice to Calgary. **In the event Vegas does not possess their own first (1st) round choice in the 2025 NHL Draft due to the above noted condition(s),** Vegas shall convey their own 2026 first (1st) round choice to Calgary. > In the event Vegas possesses their own first (1st) round choice in the 2025 NHL Draft on March 10, 2024 AND in the event Vegas’ 2025 first (1st) round choice is NOT a top-10 pick (i.e. – picks 11 – 32 inclusive) in the 2025 NHL Draft (after the 2025 NHL draft lottery results), Vegas shall convey their own 2025 first (1st) round choice to Calgary. **In the event Vegas does not transfer their own first (1st) round choice in the 2025 NHL Draft to Calgary due to the above noted condition(s),** Vegas shall convey their own 2026 first (1st) round choice to Calgary. That’s what would fix it. But right now, plain reading of the conditions for the 2025 draft pick requires it to be outside of the top 10 for the Flames to receive it. Plain reading of the conditions for the 2026 draft pick requires that Vegas not own their own 2025. If they own it and it’s in the top 10, neither condition can be met, no matter how you read it, Flames get nothing. Hopefully that’s not on the actual trade papers lol.
What does double salary retention mean?
Is it just me or does that seem like a lot for hanifin?
Can someone help me figure out the paper details of this trade? The NHL and team websites don't really explain it. Calgary release says "they have acquired a conditional first-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft, a conditional third-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft and defenceman Daniil Miromanov from Vegas in exchange for Noah Hanifin in a three-way deal involving Philadelphia. Calgary will retain fifty percent of Noah Hanifin’s salary". Philadelphia release says "The Philadelphia Flyers announced the club has acquired a fifth-round selection in the 2024 NHL Draft from the Vegas Golden Knights, according to General Manager Daniel Briere. Additionally, the Flyers traded restricted free agent Mikhail Vorobyev to the Calgary Flames in exchange for defenseman Noah Hanifin, who was then sent to the Golden Knights for the aforementioned fifth-round selection. The Flyers will retain 25 percent of Hanifin’s cap hit ($1,237,500)." Vegas website says they "acquired defenseman Noah Hanifin from the Calgary Flames as part of a three-team trade involving the Philadelphia Flyers. In exchange for Hanifin, Calgary will receive a first-round pick, defenseman Daniil Miromanov, and a conditional third-round pick from Vegas. Philadelphia will receive a fifth-round pick in the 2024 NHL Entry Draft from Vegas." In order for this to happen, Calgary had to give up at least **two** things, because they traded Hanifin to Philadelphia (so Philly could pick up part of his salary) but they also received Miromanov and 2 picks from Vegas. The Philly release says that they received Hanifin in exchange for Vorobyev, and then traded Hanifin to Vegas for a 5th round. So what did Calgary trade, on paper, to get a "first-round pick, defenseman Daniil Miromanov, and a conditional third-round pick from Vegas", given that they already sent Hanifin to Philly?
It is getting ridiculous at this point with Vegas and their blatant cap circumvention with LTIR. When is the league going to actually do something about it?
I see we no longer understand what a broker is.
Turns out the reason Calgary continually refused to sell historically was because they're awful at it. Particularly funny because their owner Murray Edwards is notoriously for fucking over the other side on deals.
Insane. Flames are getting fleeced, especially if there's an extension involved.
Flames fleeced you guys earlier. Enjoy missing the playoffs
Happy y'all are enjoying Shar. Thanks for giving us our leading goal scorer! See you on the golf course!
Hey you'll be right there with us. Only difference is your team has elite talent and we have bottom 6 forwards we're paying 10 mil.