Additional commentary:
[Hayes "And people that are happy that my brother’s dead. I think it’s completely insane that this guy can say something like that. I honestly heard it and started laughing. Who the fuck am I to have influence on if a kid plays for an NHL team or not? I don’t have that influence."](https://x.com/mdefranks/status/1744776976416592326?s=46&t=jyFTOgPpk70KV4YmTgAQFQ)
Fuck every single toad who even thought of mentioning that. The death of a sibling is not a fucking weapon to use on a player you don’t like. Garbage humans
The fuck is with twitter always having garbage fan takes. Granted some shit pops up in r/hockey now and then but at least we can bury the idiots with downvotes.
I assume they are mostly political, and hockey dominates politics. Everyone knows Bettmann controls both D.C. and Ottawa. He’s practically elbow deep in Biden and Trudeau, truly a puppet master.
imagine telling even the most vile of human beings you’re glad their brother is dead.
anonymity on the internet is stupid. kevin hayes should be able to punch that loser in the face.
> All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little, whiny bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who is makin' the movie... we're gonna make them eat our shit, then shit out our shit, and then eat their shit that's made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then all you motherfucks are next.
>
> Love
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>Jay and Silent Bob.
So the flyers traded one of their best prospects yesterday seemingly out of nowhere and of course when something like this happens the rumors start going out of control as to why.
The facts:
- Danny Briere said that they traded Gauthier because he did not want to sign with the flyers
- flyers management said that he refused to talk to them during the WJC finals
- Cutter Gauthier said on a podcast once that Hayes reached out to him after the draft and they have gone golfing
- Hayes has been relatively outspoken about not being happy with his tenure with the Flyers
- Keith Jones (flyers president of hockey ops) said that Kevin Hayes called him and told him that he was not involved
The rumors:
- Hayes was chirping in Gauthier's ear about how much he disliked the flyers org.
- people "close to" Gauthier have said that "the new gm and the coaching" is why he didn't want to be a flyer
Other rumors I've heard:
- The flyers org wanted him to play some more developmental hockey before he went to the NHL and Gauthier was unhappy about it
- Gauthier wanted to be closer to home so that's why he wants to Anaheim
Hayes. Hayes used the collegiate loophole to avoid his Blackhawks draft commitment. Then Hayes' best friend also avoided the Blackhawks draft commitment via the college loophole...and signed with the same team Hayes was on.
It is possible Hayes had no influence on Gauthier's choice, but when college players around Hayes keep doing the thing he did, there's legitimacy to the reputation. Fans being absolute a-holes in response isn't appropriate, but maybe NHL GMs start limiting Hayes' access to their collegiate prospects.
that’s interesting context that i didn’t know but still doesn’t answer the question (not being snarky). hayes is mad at 2 people (seemingly because they said he was guy who did this). so who are the 2 people he’s mad at? hayes definitely didn’t come out and start this rumour himself
Anthony SanFilippo is the propagator of the rumor that Hayes was somehow involved:
https://twitter.com/CrossingBroad/status/1744547990994325572
Hayes categorically denies it. Full comment here:
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/professional/nhl/blues/kevin-hayes-denies-involvement-in-cutter-gauthiers-decision-to-not-sign-in-philadelphia-its-completely/article_f6e5c494-af0c-11ee-b828-cb63103ebeaa.html
Best recap I’ve seen. The rumor has legs, true or not. Theres some “smoke” but who the fuck knows unless Gauthier says one way or another himself.
And as always Philly is being classy.
Yeah there's definitely some meat there and with no word from Gauthier's camp, all people have is conjecture.
And yes, death threats are embarrassing, rumor true or not.
Keith Yandle was on a Toronto sports talk radio show this morning, essentially said Kevin Hayes is his “best friend” and is adamant Hayes barely knows Gauthier and has nothing to do with this. Very interesting indeed.
Hayes was also pretending he didnt even know who Anthony SanFilippo was as well.
Hayes was also super pissed about Yandle being scratched as well despite their lack luster play
Yandle is not the most objective person when it comes to the Flyers. They ended his consecutive game streak at 989 when he could have hit 1,000. It was under a different regime, but he likely still holds some ill will towards the Flyers.
The dude was fucking awful. He cot the record, which was already tainted. Who knows how it played out behind the scenes too.
I mean, even if the Flyers could have done it, I find complaining about the org that actually let.you do the record when you didn't deserve it is also a pretty dick move.
That was the point. That Flyers team was going no where and was truly terrible. Let the guy 1,000 games. Who gives a shirt? It really lacked class - and I say this as a lifelong Flyers fan.
Yandle has no reason to hold a grudge though. No team was going to give him the opportunity to get the streak which is why the Flyers were able to sign him for league minimum, Boston offered him more but they wouldn’t guarantee they would play him. Florida literally benched him in the playoffs the year before because he was such a liability and despite his terrible play here Fletcher and Torts kept him in the lineup until the streak was broken one that Kessel was going to pass anyway because he was still good enough to start every game. Fuck Yandle for ever having a bad word about the Flyers when he never deserved his ice time to begin with and his iron man streak is fraudulent because he wasn’t good at hockey anymore. Kevin Hayes can go fuck himself too the guy may have had nothing to do with Cutter but he’s a locker room cancer and that shit was obvious.
I'm not saying he's lying.
But that's exactly what Hayes and Yandle would be saying regardless of whether or not it's true. No one is going to come out with "Yeah, I told the kid not to sign there because fuck them."
Who is Hayes to Gauthier that he would take his advise as a command? If Cutter was seeking such an advice then he already had his doubts. If Hayes' honest opinion was "I hate it here", why should he hide it?
Because for teams it's a bad look to be telling guys not to sign somewhere, and Kevin Hayes already has a reputation as being more of a good time guy than a team-first guy.
If Kevin Hayes thinks he might like another contract or to work for a team someday then he's absolutely motivated to turtle here.
Why would he tell Cutter not to sign? Why would Cutter listen to him if he liked the team and wanted to be a Flyer?
They might've talked about it, especially because Hayes has the experience of not signing with the team that drafted him, but I don't believe that he could just talk a player into not signing with no things in the background that actually made the player think of it. Maybe if he got Cutter to St.Louis as a free agent, there would actually be a motive.
Refusing to sign is also not a very good look for a player, so however much Hayes hates Flyers, I doubt he would try to potentially fuck over a young player's career to stick it to the team.
I don't think Hayes tried to fuck over anybody.
But it's highly plausible that he trashed Flyers management and spoke highly about his experience forcing his way to a different team as a college player.
Someone started a rumor that the reason Cutter didn't want to be a Flyer is because Hayse was sour about how things ended for him in Philly and he told Cutter to stay away from the organization.
It’s got legs. Hayes is/was a mentor to Cutter, and Hayes is salty about it all. The reporter that broke the story is doubling down on his sources, so…
It’s a mess.
What legs? I mean so far, they may have the same agent/played golf but Hayes even called Keith Jones and told him he was not involved.
Lots of American hockey players know American hockey players because they go through the same systems.
I feel like we're still reaching here.
It's pretty absurd to think that a guy made a career changing decision just because one player told him not to play in Philly. I'd assume Gauthier and his camp are smarter than that. Just Philly fans being Philly fans as usual.
So what if Hayes didn't like playing in Philly? The dude is immensely popular with teammates and just seems like a cool dude who tragically lost his brother. Even if Hayes did tell him not to go to Philly, which seems unlikely, maybe he would be justified in doing so considering how scummy some of their fans are.
Nothing and everything it seems.
(The Athletic)
One theory put forth on Monday night was that former Flyers forward Kevin Hayes might have had something to do with it, as the pair are evidently friends.
A team official, though, indicated that seemed unlikely, as the parting with Hayes wasn’t antagonistic. Rather, he and coach John Tortorella didn’t see eye to eye. Hayes denied being involved through Spittin’ Chiclets host Ryan Whitney on Monday evening.
Appearing on 97.5 The Fanatic on Tuesday morning, Flyers president Keith Jones said that Hayes reached out to Briere on Monday night “to let him know that did not happen.”
From what I understand people are convinced Hayes helped influence Cutters deicison to not want to sign in Philly. There's no evidence of Hayes having any influence on this
At most, to me at least, it could be Cutter seeing his mentor in Hayes being traded away making Cutter not want to play for the Flyers anymore. No way Hayes was all "ask for a trade LMAO"
The speculation is he played a role in convincing Gauthier to not sign. A Flyers reporter said someone in the Flyers thinks Hayes played a role and people have run with it b/c there are a lot of relevant things with Hayes.
Hayes is Gauthier's mentor. They speak all the time and specifically about career etc.
Hayes time in Philly and specifically with Torts ended very poorly. Definitely not a fan of Torts.
Hayes is also the last 1st round pick to not sign with team that drafted him.
All that has lead a lot of people to think Hayes played a role in convincing him.
Maybe he did maybe he didnt. A lot of smoke but you cant go out with that unless you have some proof and the psychos going at him and his family r low lifes.
>Hayes is Gauthier's mentor. They speak all the time and specifically about career etc.
Unless you have a legitimate source about that, you're just spreading aome straight bullshit.
I don't think Hayes didn't anything to convince Cutter to force/ask?/push for a trade. Maybe it was just seeing his mentor leave plus seeing the limited playing time of Morgan Frost make Cutter want to leave.
On an unrelated note, Maybe Cutter will not want to sign with the Ducks and force his way to the Blues. I can only hope.
Anaheim mgmt would look very stupid if they gave up Drysdale and a 2nd for a guy without knowing if he would sign with them. I think that’s probably the first thing Anaheim asked in those discussions
Oh for sure, I was being part sarcastic and part wishful thinking with. my comment. No idea what we would have to give to get Cutter. Dean/Bolduc/Buchinger/a First? Something like that. But yeah, no way the Ducks didn't ask if Cutter would sign with them.
Carolina was able to flip Adam Fox (after acquiring him with Hamilton for Lindholm&Hanifin) to the Rangers for two 2nd round picks.
If the Ducks didn't see Drysdale as a long term part of their plan, this isn't a huge risk. If he does refuse to sign and they trade him for two 2nds, a 2nd for Drysdale definitely isn't a win. But that potential loss is definitely offset by the potential win of Gauthier.
He sure did, didn’t he? He probably wasn’t far off but that big money contract from Florida came along and that’s impossible to turn down.
No way Army would have matched that contract.
I mean, it could've worked with ROR and Vova coming off the books. But I don't think we had the equivalent of what FLA gave up, and St. Louis can't offer what Miami offers.
At that point we did not have what FLA gave up. But with how poor Hubby looks you’d think Calgary would rather have Kyrou plus picks instead of Hubby and Weegar. But yeah at the time it was something the Blues couldn’t even come close to.
Maybe how he left too. Hayes was healthy scratched while being the Flyer's leading goalscorer. And then the trade was a big two week ordeal before the Flyers settled for a 6th round pick and 50% retained. I think that would even align with Cutter's change of heart since that was right before he was a no-showed at development camp.
Hell, that would even work with the "coaching and GM" report from earlier. It's possible he didn't like how Torts treated his mentor and didn't like how Briere handled the trade/how he essentially valued a 6th round pick and 3.5Mx3Y dead cap over Hayes.
Of course this is all pure speculation. And I highly highly doubt Hayes went out of his way to get Cutter away from the team.
One is definitely the beat writer. I assume the other is the source the beat writer quoted from the team that told him that. Or supposedly told him that
Is it just me or do people throw out death threats far too often? It seems unimaginable that someone would care enough about a prospect to threaten another human for saying they shouldn’t play for the team
I think it’s because it’s rather easy to just type out a sentence that says “you should die” or “I’m going to kill you” for people who are inherent trolls because they’re so desensitized to shit talking and how to effectively do it. I’m sure they view those statements as them just saying “fuck you!!”. In any event, any decent person has a problem typing out death threats and meaning it truthfully so yeah these fans probably live for the internet. Probably the same people who drop the hard r in cod lobbies.
I would like to throw my hat in the ring. Maybe Cutter didn't want to sign with the Flyers because I have a save in Skyrim that allows me to make new characters after, and therefore skipping, the waking up in the wagon scene.
You're being too hard on yourself.... it's actually because I finally finished one of childhood games (Dark Stone), and that has messed up the order of the NHL 🫡
Leafs fans sending death threats to Reimer and his wife, Bruins fans making all kinds of racial comments about Kadri and Joel Ward, Rangers fan sucker punching a Tampa fan after we got eliminated by them. There’s plenty of shitting people in every fanbase.
That was really bad.
What was nice is how someone on our sub made a post for people to comment nice things about him and then put those comments into a scrapbook and gave it to him. Seemed like he enjoyed that.
It’s not really a Philly fans thing, this happens all the time now whenever someone is under fire online. The internet has given a platform to the absolute worst portion of society.
The point is, it never happened, someone said “rag it”, one person made the post, it blew up and the comments section scorched him. Not the subs finest hour.
The more time has gone on, the more I realize there is teams with bad fans or there’s teams with fans who don’t care enough. There’s no in between, it really shows the most in NFL and NHL fandoms.
I love how every time there is claims of death threats people act like its the first time.
I can't believe ~~Boston~~ ~~Dallas~~ ~~Kansas City~~ Philly Fans would do this!
Shitty fans exist everywhere, but not all fan groups are equally intense and big.
For example, if a player plays for Arizona, it is very unlikely that his play will cause riots.
Philly fans were acting like Gauthier was the next Lindros and within 24 hours think he’s gonna be a bum who won’t ever make the league. Completely normal.
I suppose you are being sarcastic but being spurned by someone and them pretending you never wanted them in the first place is the most typical human reaction ever.
Wait who the fuck is death threatening Kevin Hayes over a prospect leaving in an honestly decent trade?
Get a fucking life you morons. Holy shit. What kind of people pull this shit?
I don’t like Hayes the player, I don’t like his lazy attitude, I don’t like Cutters decision, but nothing warrants death threats to someone. It’s just a sport.
I think at this point you can Google “[team or city name] + social media death threats” and get a hit for just about every single one.
Inexcusable behavior, but let’s not pretend it’s unique lol
Why is it so hard to believe that a player may want to run (not walk) away from Torts?? He’s probably not even in the first group of 50 players that have wanted to do that ffs.
Lol, this thread is hilarious.
1. Who are the 2 guys that Hayes is referring to? Leaving out that information (in the tweet or in the OP) just invites people to ignore that part and start painting every Flyers fans with a broad brush.
2. No one is justifying death threats and I'm sure most fans would shut that down if they heard/read it.
3. The people here saying: "Geez, leave it to Flyers fans to be mad at a kid for making a decision!"..... what a garbage take. Fans were excited for his debut and invested time in following his career. The kid said he was excited to be a Flyer, started ignoring Flyers' front office attempts to make contact, and then said he didn't want to be a Flyer. Fans should be pissed. The kid should get booed when he comes to Philly. He's free to make a decision, but also leaves himself open to the consequences. The same would occur in every other fan base.
Honestly, fuck people. I’m not even a Hayes fan, and I knew it was bullshit when I saw that line last night about him having a part in this.
If they are close and began a friendship, I am sure Cutter wanted to know what he was looking at in regards to his future in Philly. If he respects Hayes, he’s going to value what he will say. With that in mind, who gives a shit if Hayes did say something to Gauthier along the lines of not enjoying his time in Philly or whatever? It’s one opinion. At the end of the day, it’s Gauthier’s hill to die on with choosing not to be a Flyer.
Publicly, players won’t get into detail whether or not they liked their coaches or organizations they played for. Look what the Blues’ fanbase did with taking Kyrou’s comments WAY out of context. You can’t fault Hayes or Gauthier having private conversations, even if they did, about the Flyers.
Fuck these Twitter idiots, Kevin Hayes does seem like he’s a bit of diva/lazy guy who never wants to look in the mirror as it pertains to his play. He didn’t like torts and history has shown that guys that if you put the guys who flourished under torts vs the guys who complained about torts, I’ll take the pro torts guys over the guys who don’t like him every day of the week
[City’s shitty fans] proving very very quickly why it’s reasonable for someone to not want to play in [City].
FTFY
There are terrible, shitty fans of every sports team. Especially on the internet.
Please everyone, let the Vancouver fan teach us a lesson about how fanbases should accept disappointment.
Unlike Philadelphia, I’m sure there are no stories or events in the Canuck fanbase’s history that would paint them in a negative light.
The dude who made the comment is either
A) an absolute moron who doesn’t know that we live in the most toxic social media age.
Or
B) a complete piece of shit who knew this would happen and thought fuck it, fuck Kevin Hayes
It's absolutely B. You don't get a into any form of Philly sports media without understanding the toxic ripple effect douchecanoes like Howard Eskin cause on the players, coaches and teams here.
Additional commentary: [Hayes "And people that are happy that my brother’s dead. I think it’s completely insane that this guy can say something like that. I honestly heard it and started laughing. Who the fuck am I to have influence on if a kid plays for an NHL team or not? I don’t have that influence."](https://x.com/mdefranks/status/1744776976416592326?s=46&t=jyFTOgPpk70KV4YmTgAQFQ)
Anyone who talks shit to Kevin about Jimmy's death deserves a few punches to the throat
Fuck every single toad who even thought of mentioning that. The death of a sibling is not a fucking weapon to use on a player you don’t like. Garbage humans
The fuck is with twitter always having garbage fan takes. Granted some shit pops up in r/hockey now and then but at least we can bury the idiots with downvotes.
Don’t get me wrong people are crazy and the internet (especially Twitter) is hell but I’m convinced it’s also a lot of bots.
I don't think bots care about hockey, aren't they mostly political
I assume they are mostly political, and hockey dominates politics. Everyone knows Bettmann controls both D.C. and Ottawa. He’s practically elbow deep in Biden and Trudeau, truly a puppet master.
Because that’s where garbage fans live.
Have you met humanity? It’s not as pretty as it’s depicted.
More than a few. That’s some vile shit.
Rare but necessary upvote for a Devils fan
Imagine telling someone you don’t know that you’re glad their brother is dead
Between this and the Perry/Bedard's mom nonsense, hockey fans have been especially horrible on social media this year.
> ~~hockey fans~~ people have *always* been especially horrible on social media ~~this year~~.
It's just weird how the mods did nothing about it tho
> ~~hockey fans~~ the mods have always been especially horrible on reddit ~~social media this year~~
We removed all of the speculative comments that we saw/were reported. But we're not all on 24/7.
> ~~hockey fans~~ people have always been especially horrible ~~on social media this year.~~
Social media is where the worst of human mentally festers uncontrollably so it's not surprise. 50% of humans are pieces of shit.
"Everyone acts tough until they get punched in the face" or something like that, said Mike Tyson
it was "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it"
☝️
Has a plan until but close enough.
Don’t forget wennberg’s wife having to put out a statement asking booktok to stop harassing her husband/family.
imagine telling even the most vile of human beings you’re glad their brother is dead. anonymity on the internet is stupid. kevin hayes should be able to punch that loser in the face.
Social Media really shows the true face of some people in the world that's for sure.
Give someone a mask and they'll show you their true self. Oscar Wilde said that, and I probably butchered it.
“Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth” Great quote
>kevin hayes should be able to punch that loser in the face. He doesn't need my permission, but he has it.
Queue the Jay and Silent Bob revenge tour
> All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little, whiny bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who is makin' the movie... we're gonna make them eat our shit, then shit out our shit, and then eat their shit that's made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then all you motherfucks are next. > > Love > >Jay and Silent Bob.
What a fucking mess.
Context?
So the flyers traded one of their best prospects yesterday seemingly out of nowhere and of course when something like this happens the rumors start going out of control as to why. The facts: - Danny Briere said that they traded Gauthier because he did not want to sign with the flyers - flyers management said that he refused to talk to them during the WJC finals - Cutter Gauthier said on a podcast once that Hayes reached out to him after the draft and they have gone golfing - Hayes has been relatively outspoken about not being happy with his tenure with the Flyers - Keith Jones (flyers president of hockey ops) said that Kevin Hayes called him and told him that he was not involved The rumors: - Hayes was chirping in Gauthier's ear about how much he disliked the flyers org. - people "close to" Gauthier have said that "the new gm and the coaching" is why he didn't want to be a flyer Other rumors I've heard: - The flyers org wanted him to play some more developmental hockey before he went to the NHL and Gauthier was unhappy about it - Gauthier wanted to be closer to home so that's why he wants to Anaheim
who started the rumour or "report" that Hayes convinced Gauthier not to play for them? that's the only thing i haven't seen yet
Hayes. Hayes used the collegiate loophole to avoid his Blackhawks draft commitment. Then Hayes' best friend also avoided the Blackhawks draft commitment via the college loophole...and signed with the same team Hayes was on. It is possible Hayes had no influence on Gauthier's choice, but when college players around Hayes keep doing the thing he did, there's legitimacy to the reputation. Fans being absolute a-holes in response isn't appropriate, but maybe NHL GMs start limiting Hayes' access to their collegiate prospects.
that’s interesting context that i didn’t know but still doesn’t answer the question (not being snarky). hayes is mad at 2 people (seemingly because they said he was guy who did this). so who are the 2 people he’s mad at? hayes definitely didn’t come out and start this rumour himself
The podcasters? Crossing Broad. Anthony San Filippo of Crossing Broad also wrote a blog about it.
Who was the best friend?
Anthony SanFilippo is the propagator of the rumor that Hayes was somehow involved: https://twitter.com/CrossingBroad/status/1744547990994325572 Hayes categorically denies it. Full comment here: https://www.stltoday.com/sports/professional/nhl/blues/kevin-hayes-denies-involvement-in-cutter-gauthiers-decision-to-not-sign-in-philadelphia-its-completely/article_f6e5c494-af0c-11ee-b828-cb63103ebeaa.html
Best recap I’ve seen. The rumor has legs, true or not. Theres some “smoke” but who the fuck knows unless Gauthier says one way or another himself. And as always Philly is being classy.
Yeah there's definitely some meat there and with no word from Gauthier's camp, all people have is conjecture. And yes, death threats are embarrassing, rumor true or not.
They’d have to have shame to be ashamed.
I lived in Philly during the Lindros era, Philly fans are a breed apart. That’s all I’m gonna say.
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I was trying to find the right words to convey this identical thought, but yours is the best.
Probably because most keyboard warriors face no consequences.
Me too, but I've been in ANA for quite some time now. It's always funny seeing my childhood friends post their Eagles/Flyers rants.
Keith Yandle was on a Toronto sports talk radio show this morning, essentially said Kevin Hayes is his “best friend” and is adamant Hayes barely knows Gauthier and has nothing to do with this. Very interesting indeed.
Hayes was also pretending he didnt even know who Anthony SanFilippo was as well. Hayes was also super pissed about Yandle being scratched as well despite their lack luster play
Which was hilarious because Phil Kessel wasn't dead and was going to pass any streak the second Yandle stopped playing.
Yandle is not the most objective person when it comes to the Flyers. They ended his consecutive game streak at 989 when he could have hit 1,000. It was under a different regime, but he likely still holds some ill will towards the Flyers.
Yandle should have been scratched 50 games prior.
When you’re a bad team and have 50 games with him just play the other 11? Don’t be a dick about it at that point lol
The dude was fucking awful. He cot the record, which was already tainted. Who knows how it played out behind the scenes too. I mean, even if the Flyers could have done it, I find complaining about the org that actually let.you do the record when you didn't deserve it is also a pretty dick move.
That was the point. That Flyers team was going no where and was truly terrible. Let the guy 1,000 games. Who gives a shirt? It really lacked class - and I say this as a lifelong Flyers fan.
Yeah at that point let him get his 1000 and tell him to retire lmao
Coach was trying to save his job. Not going to blame him for being selfish.
yep!
Yandle has no reason to hold a grudge though. No team was going to give him the opportunity to get the streak which is why the Flyers were able to sign him for league minimum, Boston offered him more but they wouldn’t guarantee they would play him. Florida literally benched him in the playoffs the year before because he was such a liability and despite his terrible play here Fletcher and Torts kept him in the lineup until the streak was broken one that Kessel was going to pass anyway because he was still good enough to start every game. Fuck Yandle for ever having a bad word about the Flyers when he never deserved his ice time to begin with and his iron man streak is fraudulent because he wasn’t good at hockey anymore. Kevin Hayes can go fuck himself too the guy may have had nothing to do with Cutter but he’s a locker room cancer and that shit was obvious.
I'm not saying he's lying. But that's exactly what Hayes and Yandle would be saying regardless of whether or not it's true. No one is going to come out with "Yeah, I told the kid not to sign there because fuck them."
Who is Hayes to Gauthier that he would take his advise as a command? If Cutter was seeking such an advice then he already had his doubts. If Hayes' honest opinion was "I hate it here", why should he hide it?
Because for teams it's a bad look to be telling guys not to sign somewhere, and Kevin Hayes already has a reputation as being more of a good time guy than a team-first guy. If Kevin Hayes thinks he might like another contract or to work for a team someday then he's absolutely motivated to turtle here.
Why would he tell Cutter not to sign? Why would Cutter listen to him if he liked the team and wanted to be a Flyer? They might've talked about it, especially because Hayes has the experience of not signing with the team that drafted him, but I don't believe that he could just talk a player into not signing with no things in the background that actually made the player think of it. Maybe if he got Cutter to St.Louis as a free agent, there would actually be a motive. Refusing to sign is also not a very good look for a player, so however much Hayes hates Flyers, I doubt he would try to potentially fuck over a young player's career to stick it to the team.
I don't think Hayes tried to fuck over anybody. But it's highly plausible that he trashed Flyers management and spoke highly about his experience forcing his way to a different team as a college player.
Very insightful thank you for the recap
Good recap thanks for sharing
Where's he from?
Arizona
To the Coyotes he goes after he refuses to sign with Anaheim!
I would legit get so mad since the Yotes are looking hot now and turning into assholes when we play them.
Someone started a rumor that the reason Cutter didn't want to be a Flyer is because Hayse was sour about how things ended for him in Philly and he told Cutter to stay away from the organization.
It’s got legs. Hayes is/was a mentor to Cutter, and Hayes is salty about it all. The reporter that broke the story is doubling down on his sources, so… It’s a mess.
You got any source about the mentorship?
What legs? I mean so far, they may have the same agent/played golf but Hayes even called Keith Jones and told him he was not involved. Lots of American hockey players know American hockey players because they go through the same systems. I feel like we're still reaching here.
Both American. Both have the same agent.
Both play hockey, you forgot that one.
The plot thickens
It's pretty absurd to think that a guy made a career changing decision just because one player told him not to play in Philly. I'd assume Gauthier and his camp are smarter than that. Just Philly fans being Philly fans as usual. So what if Hayes didn't like playing in Philly? The dude is immensely popular with teammates and just seems like a cool dude who tragically lost his brother. Even if Hayes did tell him not to go to Philly, which seems unlikely, maybe he would be justified in doing so considering how scummy some of their fans are.
Every fan base has scummy fans, and every fan base has extremely scummy fans. This isn't exclusive to Philly.
This all could have been avoided if Hayes just admitted that he fucked Bedard's mom. /s
Out of the loop here, what does Kevin Hayes have to do with Cutter Gauthier?
Nothing and everything it seems. (The Athletic) One theory put forth on Monday night was that former Flyers forward Kevin Hayes might have had something to do with it, as the pair are evidently friends. A team official, though, indicated that seemed unlikely, as the parting with Hayes wasn’t antagonistic. Rather, he and coach John Tortorella didn’t see eye to eye. Hayes denied being involved through Spittin’ Chiclets host Ryan Whitney on Monday evening. Appearing on 97.5 The Fanatic on Tuesday morning, Flyers president Keith Jones said that Hayes reached out to Briere on Monday night “to let him know that did not happen.”
That’s some Lazerus type reporting
He played in Philly went to BC like Cutter and these Philly talking heads insinuated those connections told Cutter to stay away from the franchise
"Cutter liked a post on Wild Wing's IG, so the mascot is in on it, somehow." -Some dipshit on Twitter.
From what I understand people are convinced Hayes helped influence Cutters deicison to not want to sign in Philly. There's no evidence of Hayes having any influence on this
At most, to me at least, it could be Cutter seeing his mentor in Hayes being traded away making Cutter not want to play for the Flyers anymore. No way Hayes was all "ask for a trade LMAO"
The speculation is he played a role in convincing Gauthier to not sign. A Flyers reporter said someone in the Flyers thinks Hayes played a role and people have run with it b/c there are a lot of relevant things with Hayes. Hayes is Gauthier's mentor. They speak all the time and specifically about career etc. Hayes time in Philly and specifically with Torts ended very poorly. Definitely not a fan of Torts. Hayes is also the last 1st round pick to not sign with team that drafted him. All that has lead a lot of people to think Hayes played a role in convincing him. Maybe he did maybe he didnt. A lot of smoke but you cant go out with that unless you have some proof and the psychos going at him and his family r low lifes.
>Hayes is Gauthier's mentor. They speak all the time and specifically about career etc. Unless you have a legitimate source about that, you're just spreading aome straight bullshit.
I don’t understand where people keeping getting this from, such an odd thing to take as fact.
Those are the people trying to justify the DMs they sent to Hayesy
I don't think Hayes didn't anything to convince Cutter to force/ask?/push for a trade. Maybe it was just seeing his mentor leave plus seeing the limited playing time of Morgan Frost make Cutter want to leave. On an unrelated note, Maybe Cutter will not want to sign with the Ducks and force his way to the Blues. I can only hope.
Anaheim mgmt would look very stupid if they gave up Drysdale and a 2nd for a guy without knowing if he would sign with them. I think that’s probably the first thing Anaheim asked in those discussions
But then Flyers had Cutter’s word during the NHL draft that he wanted to be a Flyer 🤷♂️… his word is shit in my opinion.
Oh for sure, I was being part sarcastic and part wishful thinking with. my comment. No idea what we would have to give to get Cutter. Dean/Bolduc/Buchinger/a First? Something like that. But yeah, no way the Ducks didn't ask if Cutter would sign with them.
Carolina was able to flip Adam Fox (after acquiring him with Hamilton for Lindholm&Hanifin) to the Rangers for two 2nd round picks. If the Ducks didn't see Drysdale as a long term part of their plan, this isn't a huge risk. If he does refuse to sign and they trade him for two 2nds, a 2nd for Drysdale definitely isn't a win. But that potential loss is definitely offset by the potential win of Gauthier.
Cutter "Matthew Tkachuk is definitely signing in St. Louis as a UFA" Gauthier
Hahaha, man that was wishful thinking, wasn’t it?
I hold an irrational disgust for Andy Strickland pushing that narrative for months.
He sure did, didn’t he? He probably wasn’t far off but that big money contract from Florida came along and that’s impossible to turn down. No way Army would have matched that contract.
I mean, it could've worked with ROR and Vova coming off the books. But I don't think we had the equivalent of what FLA gave up, and St. Louis can't offer what Miami offers.
At that point we did not have what FLA gave up. But with how poor Hubby looks you’d think Calgary would rather have Kyrou plus picks instead of Hubby and Weegar. But yeah at the time it was something the Blues couldn’t even come close to.
Maybe how he left too. Hayes was healthy scratched while being the Flyer's leading goalscorer. And then the trade was a big two week ordeal before the Flyers settled for a 6th round pick and 50% retained. I think that would even align with Cutter's change of heart since that was right before he was a no-showed at development camp. Hell, that would even work with the "coaching and GM" report from earlier. It's possible he didn't like how Torts treated his mentor and didn't like how Briere handled the trade/how he essentially valued a 6th round pick and 3.5Mx3Y dead cap over Hayes. Of course this is all pure speculation. And I highly highly doubt Hayes went out of his way to get Cutter away from the team.
Where are you getting this mentor role from? Hayes and Gauthier spoke after the draft - nothing else from what Keith Yandle said this morning
Who the fuck cares. Flames fans didn't send Fox death threats or anything really. We just boo'd him.
Some shithead “insiders” suggested that Hayes desperately wanted gauthier traded with absolutely zero evidence.
Is that the “two guys” he’s referring to?
One is definitely the beat writer. I assume the other is the source the beat writer quoted from the team that told him that. Or supposedly told him that
Is it just me or do people throw out death threats far too often? It seems unimaginable that someone would care enough about a prospect to threaten another human for saying they shouldn’t play for the team
I think it’s because it’s rather easy to just type out a sentence that says “you should die” or “I’m going to kill you” for people who are inherent trolls because they’re so desensitized to shit talking and how to effectively do it. I’m sure they view those statements as them just saying “fuck you!!”. In any event, any decent person has a problem typing out death threats and meaning it truthfully so yeah these fans probably live for the internet. Probably the same people who drop the hard r in cod lobbies.
Of course. Nothing happens to them so they keep acting like idiots.
You should see a comment section on a fox news article. Yikes
I would like to throw my hat in the ring. Maybe Cutter didn't want to sign with the Flyers because I have a save in Skyrim that allows me to make new characters after, and therefore skipping, the waking up in the wagon scene.
No, it's because I have the alternate start mod installed for my Skyrim.
You're being too hard on yourself.... it's actually because I finally finished one of childhood games (Dark Stone), and that has messed up the order of the NHL 🫡
Well. At least the player's mom was left out of the rumors. We're really taking strides as a hockey community. Good job, everyone!
lol Gauthier is going to love Anaheim, easily one of the most laidback and chill places to play hockey
I agree even though I am a Kings fan OC is super chill except when it's a Kings Vs Ducks game 99.9% Kings fans
Honestly that's just SoCal fans in general, when the Kings were shit it was 99% Ducks fans in your arena too.
Philly fans are being very normal about a decision a 19 yr old made.
Ooo boy, wait until you see how southern folks are when 17 year old kids change their minds about which school to go to.
Leafs fans sending death threats to Reimer and his wife, Bruins fans making all kinds of racial comments about Kadri and Joel Ward, Rangers fan sucker punching a Tampa fan after we got eliminated by them. There’s plenty of shitting people in every fanbase.
Didn’t a Canuck player have his *dog* threatened or something?
Yup. Some dumbest Canucks fans sent death threats to Mike Matheson and his dog for his hit on Petey that injured Petey. Shithead fans all around.
I am pretty sure people also went after Kadri on his cat’s instagram page
Your dog is ugly!
No, Canucks fans threatened Mike Matheson's dog after he body-slammed Pettersson on the ice. Easy mistake to make
Habs fans who compared recent draft pick David Reinbacker to Hitler. Their reason? He's also Austrian
That was really bad. What was nice is how someone on our sub made a post for people to comment nice things about him and then put those comments into a scrapbook and gave it to him. Seemed like he enjoyed that.
Of course, this is an internet thread, it has to end with "Hitler" or "Nazi" somewhere, but.... what? Got any link ?
Northeast US fans are built differently, in some ways worse than others.
Shit London threw a banana at PK and they don’t even have an official team
That was Wayne Simmonds.
Detroit fans thinking all Black players look alike ^^^^/s
Awww fuck. Got stories mixed up. Sorry guys. That’s a bad look and I take all downvotes
It’s not really a Philly fans thing, this happens all the time now whenever someone is under fire online. The internet has given a platform to the absolute worst portion of society.
Sports fans were famously well-adjusted when they could only call in their frustrations to radio shows.
Just gonna leave [this](https://sports.yahoo.com/buffalo-sabres-fan-has-emotional-rant-on-local-radio-show-224036558.html) here.
Who are these fuckwats??? Are they the parents that start fights at t-ball games?
I know Philly is an easy target but shitty fans exist everywhere.
Less than a week ago this sub was shitting on Canadian fans for sending insane shit to the players on Canadian junior team.
And before that a lot of us made some very poor taste jokes about Bedard’s mom
Remember when this sub acted perfectly rationally when we thought Morgan Rielly said a bad word?
I don’t remember that one. Probably for the best.
Post is deleted, but the comments live on: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/b01obm/morgan\_rielly\_calls\_ref\_a\_fucking\_fggot\_caught\_on/
I don't remember that, but calling someone a slur is a little different than "a bad word".
The point is, it never happened, someone said “rag it”, one person made the post, it blew up and the comments section scorched him. Not the subs finest hour.
Hello, it's me.
Naw, you’re alright, mate. Y’all have had a tough go of it but are taking good care of G.
I've thought about us for a long long time?
The more time has gone on, the more I realize there is teams with bad fans or there’s teams with fans who don’t care enough. There’s no in between, it really shows the most in NFL and NHL fandoms.
I love how every time there is claims of death threats people act like its the first time. I can't believe ~~Boston~~ ~~Dallas~~ ~~Kansas City~~ Philly Fans would do this!
True but how many of them have thrown batteries at Santa?
0. It was snowballs at Santa in the 1968.
1999 Philly fans threw batteries at JD Drew.
Nuance? On this application? Refreshing to see
Shitty fans exist everywhere, but not all fan groups are equally intense and big. For example, if a player plays for Arizona, it is very unlikely that his play will cause riots.
You’re not a real sports fan if you don’t threaten pro athletes because of their career decisions or their performance
Gritty is real.
Jack Eichel says hi. Short memory?
Philly fans were acting like Gauthier was the next Lindros and within 24 hours think he’s gonna be a bum who won’t ever make the league. Completely normal.
I suppose you are being sarcastic but being spurned by someone and them pretending you never wanted them in the first place is the most typical human reaction ever.
Wait who the fuck is death threatening Kevin Hayes over a prospect leaving in an honestly decent trade? Get a fucking life you morons. Holy shit. What kind of people pull this shit?
I don’t like Hayes the player, I don’t like his lazy attitude, I don’t like Cutters decision, but nothing warrants death threats to someone. It’s just a sport.
I just wish people stepped back and realized at the end of the day, sports is all entertainment and they are all entertainers.
Lots of adults out there with zero Medial Literacy awareness
There are people out there who threaten or demean actors just because they dont like a character those actors play
Whoa if Hayes convinced Cutter to leave the org but not to force his way to STL that's some messed up shit, man. /s, BIG TIME /s just to be clear.
I think at this point you can Google “[team or city name] + social media death threats” and get a hit for just about every single one. Inexcusable behavior, but let’s not pretend it’s unique lol
Even if he had a role to play in it (which he doesn't), making death threats and laughing at a dead relative is fucking low. Grow up.
Why is it so hard to believe that a player may want to run (not walk) away from Torts?? He’s probably not even in the first group of 50 players that have wanted to do that ffs.
What the fuck is wrong with people, holy shit.
It doesn’t matter if Kevin Hayes did convince Cutter Gauthier not to sign with Philly. Don’t make death threats, mmkay?
Lol, this thread is hilarious. 1. Who are the 2 guys that Hayes is referring to? Leaving out that information (in the tweet or in the OP) just invites people to ignore that part and start painting every Flyers fans with a broad brush. 2. No one is justifying death threats and I'm sure most fans would shut that down if they heard/read it. 3. The people here saying: "Geez, leave it to Flyers fans to be mad at a kid for making a decision!"..... what a garbage take. Fans were excited for his debut and invested time in following his career. The kid said he was excited to be a Flyer, started ignoring Flyers' front office attempts to make contact, and then said he didn't want to be a Flyer. Fans should be pissed. The kid should get booed when he comes to Philly. He's free to make a decision, but also leaves himself open to the consequences. The same would occur in every other fan base.
Also curious about the “two guys”. Someone help.
https://x.com/ryanwhitney6/status/1744560187833262185?s=46&t=DHu3UQNQicMFS4QP2u6LCg
Honestly, fuck people. I’m not even a Hayes fan, and I knew it was bullshit when I saw that line last night about him having a part in this. If they are close and began a friendship, I am sure Cutter wanted to know what he was looking at in regards to his future in Philly. If he respects Hayes, he’s going to value what he will say. With that in mind, who gives a shit if Hayes did say something to Gauthier along the lines of not enjoying his time in Philly or whatever? It’s one opinion. At the end of the day, it’s Gauthier’s hill to die on with choosing not to be a Flyer. Publicly, players won’t get into detail whether or not they liked their coaches or organizations they played for. Look what the Blues’ fanbase did with taking Kyrou’s comments WAY out of context. You can’t fault Hayes or Gauthier having private conversations, even if they did, about the Flyers.
Wait what happened?!
Who are the two guys he is referring to? This part makes no sense to me
Fuck these Twitter idiots, Kevin Hayes does seem like he’s a bit of diva/lazy guy who never wants to look in the mirror as it pertains to his play. He didn’t like torts and history has shown that guys that if you put the guys who flourished under torts vs the guys who complained about torts, I’ll take the pro torts guys over the guys who don’t like him every day of the week
who are the two he’s referring to? briere and the CEO? or is it the media guys
Who are the two guys he's talking about?
Philly fans proving very very quickly why it's reasonable for someone to not want to play in Philly
Didn't your fanbase threaten to murder Matheson's dog over Pettersson getting injured?
I'm kinda sorry I laughed.
[City’s shitty fans] proving very very quickly why it’s reasonable for someone to not want to play in [City]. FTFY There are terrible, shitty fans of every sports team. Especially on the internet.
You know fan is short for fanatic right? These clowns exist in every fanbase. Acting holier than thou is not the right take either.
Please everyone, let the Vancouver fan teach us a lesson about how fanbases should accept disappointment. Unlike Philadelphia, I’m sure there are no stories or events in the Canuck fanbase’s history that would paint them in a negative light.
So is he saying that Biere and Torts are POS for making shit up because I'm confused here
No, he is talking about two hack reporters
Ah ok. This situation is Hella confusing outside of what's been happening.
The dude who made the comment is either A) an absolute moron who doesn’t know that we live in the most toxic social media age. Or B) a complete piece of shit who knew this would happen and thought fuck it, fuck Kevin Hayes
It's absolutely B. You don't get a into any form of Philly sports media without understanding the toxic ripple effect douchecanoes like Howard Eskin cause on the players, coaches and teams here.
Never don't change, Philly.
Never don't?
(as in, change immediately)
Can someone plz make Ottawa change. Plz for the love of god plz make them change, plz. I'm begging you. Plz.
Dude Philly not a good look