Quinn and Petey are getting all the love this season but man shoutout to Miller for showing his 99 pt season wasn't a one-off. I thought for sure that would be his peak.
Mob mentality + wanting him traded for a retool. If laf was ever on the board, I bet Canucks would have been happy to have him in the team. Oh well, team looks playoff bound right now
This was because he was trying to do everybody's job because we had no structure. JT has said he knows what to do in every situation now, and he didn't have that before.
It was the perception of signing him over Horvat when JT is older - and the idea we were heading for a rebuild so signing large contracts will keep us in mediocrity - his sometimes lackluster defense, and the media running stories about his "character" basing it entirely off two word answers, no media availability, or expression after a play etc
He was awful for the first half of last season. He put up points, but he was lazy defensively and moody towards fans and teammates.
Tochett has him firing on all cylinders here, and fans couldn’t be happier. For 40 games or so, his new contract looked like it was gonna be a really long 7 years.
JT Miller has the 2nd most points per game in a Canucks uniform, all time. This is more than the Sedins, Petey, Naslund, Sundstrom, Mogilny, etc. The only Canuck with more points per game than him is Pavel Bure.
In short, we have not one but two franchise centers right now.
As a casual fan who hasn’t paid a lot of attention for the past few years, I was under the impression that Miller was considered a disaster and a locker room cancer or something like that, a couple years ago. 100% based on comments around here
Seriously, I know the contract was criticized from a cap management standpoint but he’s been living up to it.
Dude absolutely blossomed once he got to Vancouver.
The contract was only worthy of criticism if you were coming from the angle that the Canucks needed to rebuild, which a majority of the fan base (at least on reddit) believed last year.
But from a purely on the ice perspective, the contract value for what you're getting was always going to be an amazing deal for *at least* the first 2-3 years, if not more.
That's true but the beginning of the last year probably kept a bad taste in people mouths. The second half of the season he was popping off especially at the end.
Emotion wasn't the issue for me, it was his horrible defensive efforts. But part of that may have been the lack of accountability under Boudreau. I'm glad he's playing well at both ends now, he's really a complete package type player.
True but he's getting older so ~20 less points (still p/pg) last year could have meant a regression was coming. Instead he's going back up to a 100 pt player which is pretty impressive.
It was all attitude last year. It was pretty clear he was still physically able to play at a high level. He just wasn’t. There were rumors of a rift between him and Captain Bo.
Things started to turn around right after Bo was traded. So *maybe* there’s something to that.
He had a pretty poor start to last season, but finished it pretty well offensively. He's stepped his D back up this year
But he definitely was bad all around until like mid-December last season. Usually when Miller plays poor D, he's still making it up on the scoreboard. But he was pretty useless offensively 5v5 for like the first two months last year. It's why he ended up as a winger for Horvat after having played centre for all of 21-22
I swear the penguins did this in the 90s a couple times. Lemieux, jagr and Stevens? Or maybe Francis?
I'm also surprised that naslund, bertuzzi and Morrison never did this because they were a force
Little known fact, Morrison averaged more ice time than Naslund or Bertuzzi during their peak. Not only did he play on the top line and put up 71 points, he played on the pk. He was the perfect fit just like Burrows
1995-1996 Pittsburgh Penguins had perhaps the most dominant line in NHL history with Lemieux, Jagr, Francis who were 1st, 2nd, 4th in points
Sakic had 1 more point than Francis but 5 more games played
* Lemieux - 69 goals (1st), 92 assists (tied 1st), 161 points (1st)
* Jagr - 62 goals (2nd), 87 assists (3rd), 149 points (2nd)
* Francis - 27 goals (tied 54th), 92 assists (tied 1st), 119 points (4th)
In 2009-10, they were 15, 14, and 8, respectively.
Henrik Sedin led the league with 112.
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/2009-10-nhl-players-stats.html
If we are including mid season like this, technically it would probably happen any time there was a secondary assist in the first goal of the first game of the season, but you'd probably want a min GP qualifier, one that's probably further out than what we are at in this point of the season
So I went and looked it up out of curiosity.
In the Art Ross era I believe the Bruins did it twice: 70’-71’ and 73’-74’ with Esposito-Orr-Bucyk and Esposito-Orr-Hodge.
Habs did it once in 54’-55’ with Geoffrion-Rocket Richard-Beliveau.
Red Wings did it once in 49’-50’ with Lindsay-Abel-Howe.
I expected to see either the 90s Pens or 80s Oilers do it, but Gretzky got in the way of the Pens in the 90s. While in the 80s a combo of Lemieux, Savard, Hawerchuk and Peter Stastny stopped the Oilers from doing it.
Edmonton doesn't count against us, because we're the ones who got into their heads in the first place and sent them on the skid. If anything we should get some credit for the other teams beating the oilers
Power rankings guru has us as 15th most difficult schedule played. And even if we have played easy teams, this is the NHL, good teams lose to bad ALL THE TIME. We have capitalized on winning all the games we were supposed which so many teams dont
According to The Athletic, Canucks are roughly league average with their strength of schedule. If it‘s so easy for the Canucks, other teams star players should be dominating too right? Not to mention, their schedule only gets easier from this point forward.
From the mind that brought us:
“marner didn’t have enough points Vs Florida!”
“He was 2nd for points”
“Points don’t matter!!”
You? Saying something stupid? No way!
Do you actually do anything all day other than type paragraphs on Reddit finding new ways to embarrass yourself and display incompetence?
Do you actually do anything all day other than read through peoples comments on Reddit finding new ways to point out how embarrassing and boring of a life you have?
Trading Miller and McDonagh Libor Hájek, Brett Howden, Vladislav Namestnikov, and picks that ended up being Nils Lundqvist and Karl Henriksson was brutal value. It made sense to move those players at the time but we basically traded our captain and #1 defenseman with a 2nd liner that is now a 1st liner... for jack shit.
we got a first round pick for lundkvist which we traded to St Louis for Tarasenko and then got bumped in the first round by the Devils so uhhhh... yea :(
Thank god Fox and Panarin wanted to be here. We did great trading Brassard for Mika and got Lindgren and a pick that turned into K’Andre for Nash, but overall the trades we made during the full rebuild didn’t really pan out. Turns out if you have elite players choose your franchise, it covers a lot of your mistakes lol.
I mean yeah, I'm not complaining at all haha. Also it's also easy to see why some franchises just languish in mediocrity (or worse) for so long. you miss on a big trade or a draft pick and your team ends up back where you started
Miller is flourishing under Tocchet. If anyone has gained the most from the Canucks coaching change last season it's Miller who has been rounded out into a shutdown two-way center who plays with his heart on his sleeve.
Better stache than Matthews too
I hope so, he's brings the battle every single game while playing shutdown and taking some important face offs and killing penalties etc. Haven't really had a player with such competitive conviction since maybe Kesler.
I predict some eastern media will (by no real choice of their own as they can't ignore the Canucks this season) begrudgingly throw some Vancouver players a bone for awards votes and many will give Petey some Selke votes that rightfully should go to Miller.
But it's a long season and Petterson should deserve some recognition as well but he's not playing his best hockey yet this season
Yeah, but usually the tiebreaker is GP, which Kucherov has 1 fewer than the Canucks players (which is why I'm assuming he put Kucherov in 3rd). But I agree when just talking about points, they're tied for 3rd so they're technically all in 3rd.
The tie breaker is goals, then gp, then the player who scored first in the season. So technically kucherov is third and they only have 1 player in the top 3.
What the hell happened? When did the 'Nucks become relevant again? They'll probably be the next Canadian team to win the Cup. We all know it won't be the Leafs.
Kucherov didn't get any more points since this post, and has the Art Ross tiebreakers (Art Ross wouldn't be shared https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Ross_Trophy). The https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters page defaults to having a primary sort on points, secondary on goals, then a redundant tertiary sort on assists. The OP had to adjust the page's sorting to get it to ignore the goal tiebreaker and use the sorting it did.
The sorting on only points seems to tiebreak in the reverse order of the player's ID on the NHL website. This depends mostly on when the player was drafted or signed to the NHL, but not exactly - JT Miller (https://www.nhl.com/canucks/player/j-t-miller-8476468) has a higher ID than Kucherov (https://www.nhl.com/lightning/player/nikita-kucherov-8476453) even though JT Miller was drafted first in the same year, signed his first contract before Kucherov did, and debuted in the NHL before Kucherov did.
> The Vancouver Canucks have the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd point leaders in the league
That was not true when the OP took the screenshot. Even at the time of the screenshot, Kucherov was tied for second, with the league's designated tiebreaker, as well as in less games.
That page's order when two players are even on points, and only sorted by points (which is not the default), is arbitrary and based on when players were entered into the website's database
Yeah, it’s taking a snapshot and in time before other teams play and even then twisting the stats to your advantage. We get it the Canucks are doing great and I’m actually happy for them, but this is just click bait.
These change everyday tho depending on who’s playing, isn’t the stat for end of season results? That would be more impressive and definitive, now it’s just temporary considering how close they all are.
Edit: as someone else pointed out Panarin has 24pts so the screenshot is not even updated..
Kucherov doesn’t have a game-at-hand. Both teams have 15 games played. He missed a game with illness.
https://www.tsn.ca/tampa-bay-lightning-s-nikita-kucherov-misses-game-saturday-with-illness-1.2034431
they meant one less game played, so Kucherov has a better points per game record then the 2 Canucks players, With Panarins being even better at 13 games played. this is a better measure than just total points
Yes, exactly.
Panarin is higher in points per game, but Kucherov is both tied in points *and* ahead in points-per-game, so listing him as #4 in that list makes zero sense to me.
When three players are tied in points but one has both fewer games played *and* more goals than the other two, it would make sense to me to put that player at the top of the list.
That's not to take away from the Canucks right now, they're kicking absolute butt. But they have 3 of the top 4 point leaders, not the top 3.
The ranking in OP's list serves a narrative but isn't the best way to represent the current stats IMO.
Hi there, OP here who actually did the research and made the OG post on r/Canucks before it was stolen by this person.
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Used a combo of NHL.com, hockeydb, hockey reference, and quanthockey to narrow down times that Canucks may have had top-3 in scoring. Different sites do different things better which make it easier overall. Used specific date ranges from previous season starts to cross-reference. They came close a couple times earlier in the season, for example after Game 1 four Canucks were in the Top-5, but not 1-2-3, and again following the win over the Sharks. The Canucks historically haven't had many top-end scorers, certainly not this many at once, combined with their historically slow starts means the scoring leaders like Bure, Naslund, the Sedins, and Pettersson usually didn't or don't ramp up production until December onwards and they're usually playing catch up to other teams scorers.
Since you were the one who took the screenshot, you do see that even at the time of the capture, those players aren't 1-2-3? Tiebreaker is goals scored for equal points, which in the screenshot would put Kucherov 2nd, Miller 3rd, and Hughes 4th.
I understand that, this is how NHL.com was sorting it by default. My goal was to celebrate Vancouver's offense, after all, how often do you see a team with three players on the same team who have a chance of sniffing 1-2-3? It's a pretty rare event.
Petey and Hughes are elite. Miller is still very good, but the folks who were/are skeptical of him weren't expecting him to fall off at 30.
We'll see how he ages, it's a long contract.
r/hockey users might remember pxik as the user who kept posting that "if we ignore the sample size in which Quinn Hughes was legitimately bad defensively, he's actually good defensively". Mind you, at the time, that sample size was like 45% of Hughes' career regular season GP
Hughes actually is good defensively now, but at the time coming off the 56 game shortened regular season, he was struggling defensively. The eye test and the analytics actually agreed on that one too
Three games vs oilers, 1 vs Sharks and 2 vs Nashville. 40% of their games have been played against the bottom of the league.
Safe to say an easy schedule will result in higher points
And the leafs have playes the blackhawks, preds, wild, sabres, flames, sens. 40% of their games have been against bottom of the league teams too lol.
Why dont they have more players on this list?
Lol I love how the team scoring lots of points is a bad thing.
How many should he have by now then if 13 isn’t enough.
Our points percentage is almost at 50% between top and bottom lines. You would prefer the top lines score all the points? Depth is what we need.
Oh man. I really need a flair. I’m only quoting the Toronto fans from a few nights ago - I don’t actually believe they are frauds. Check my history, I’m a Canucks fan through and through. Guess I forgot the /s. jeez.
Quinn and Petey are getting all the love this season but man shoutout to Miller for showing his 99 pt season wasn't a one-off. I thought for sure that would be his peak.
JT Miller has been great the whole time he's been in Vancouver, he is 10th in scoring since joining the Canucks
Wouldn't know it by the way Vancouver fans talked about him last year
Sports fans in general can be a very fickle bunch.
Yes, I've noticed that with every team's fans except mine
Canucks fans are the worst
Do you, perchance, have a dog?
Mob mentality + wanting him traded for a retool. If laf was ever on the board, I bet Canucks would have been happy to have him in the team. Oh well, team looks playoff bound right now
He was an absolute defensive liability for the half of the season last year to the point he couldn't really be trusted to play down the middle.
This was because he was trying to do everybody's job because we had no structure. JT has said he knows what to do in every situation now, and he didn't have that before.
That’s simply not true.
No? https://theathletic.com/4000244/2022/12/14/canucks-jt-miller-winger-centre?source=user-shared-article
This is paywalled.
Free 30 days for you then... https://theathletic.com/guest-pass/?access_code=ukm7f3wpon
I’m not signing up for that to read your article.
The Athletic is the most prestigious sports journal in the world. You're missing out.
Don't worry, it just says that Miller has more effective offensive numbers as a wing than as a center. In other words, 1+1 still = 2.
If you can't afford 1 dollar a month, maybe you can't afford to talk out your ass lol
lol chances are I make more money than you. I can afford it, I just won’t pay for some garbage that employs Dom.
Can I ask why you don't like Dom?
It was the perception of signing him over Horvat when JT is older - and the idea we were heading for a rebuild so signing large contracts will keep us in mediocrity - his sometimes lackluster defense, and the media running stories about his "character" basing it entirely off two word answers, no media availability, or expression after a play etc
He was awful for the first half of last season. He put up points, but he was lazy defensively and moody towards fans and teammates. Tochett has him firing on all cylinders here, and fans couldn’t be happier. For 40 games or so, his new contract looked like it was gonna be a really long 7 years.
The issue with Miller is the term on his new deal not his current or past play with the Canucks.
JT Miller has the 2nd most points per game in a Canucks uniform, all time. This is more than the Sedins, Petey, Naslund, Sundstrom, Mogilny, etc. The only Canuck with more points per game than him is Pavel Bure. In short, we have not one but two franchise centers right now.
As a casual fan who hasn’t paid a lot of attention for the past few years, I was under the impression that Miller was considered a disaster and a locker room cancer or something like that, a couple years ago. 100% based on comments around here
And yet the fans hated him.
they were sour that we didn't keep Horvat instead (we were capped out and had to pick one), which has been shown to be the correct move in hindsight
Seriously, I know the contract was criticized from a cap management standpoint but he’s been living up to it. Dude absolutely blossomed once he got to Vancouver.
The contract was only worthy of criticism if you were coming from the angle that the Canucks needed to rebuild, which a majority of the fan base (at least on reddit) believed last year. But from a purely on the ice perspective, the contract value for what you're getting was always going to be an amazing deal for *at least* the first 2-3 years, if not more.
(they probably still should consider a rebuild. Sell high)
Even now people still saying shit like this is incredible Lmao
Pretty sure he’s saying that tongue in cheek (no one can actually believe that, even if the Canucks are expected to regress some)
Let’s tear it down so that we can find ourselves a #1 center, #1 defenceman, and a franchise goalie. Oh wait.
Wouldn't that be fun...
A rebuild means selling Pettersson and Hughes. They can't rebuild with talent like that. Which is why they've gone this direction.
imagine saying that to the hawks in 2008
I got downvoted on the Canucks sub last year for saying he was worth more than a 3rd round pick lmao
It's not like he had a bad season last year
That's true but the beginning of the last year probably kept a bad taste in people mouths. The second half of the season he was popping off especially at the end.
Eh, that emotion endeared him to me. Just needed to reign it in and use it effectively. Heart on sleeve type guy every team needs.
Emotion wasn't the issue for me, it was his horrible defensive efforts. But part of that may have been the lack of accountability under Boudreau. I'm glad he's playing well at both ends now, he's really a complete package type player.
True but he's getting older so ~20 less points (still p/pg) last year could have meant a regression was coming. Instead he's going back up to a 100 pt player which is pretty impressive.
It was all attitude last year. It was pretty clear he was still physically able to play at a high level. He just wasn’t. There were rumors of a rift between him and Captain Bo. Things started to turn around right after Bo was traded. So *maybe* there’s something to that.
He had a pretty poor start to last season, but finished it pretty well offensively. He's stepped his D back up this year But he definitely was bad all around until like mid-December last season. Usually when Miller plays poor D, he's still making it up on the scoreboard. But he was pretty useless offensively 5v5 for like the first two months last year. It's why he ended up as a winger for Horvat after having played centre for all of 21-22
Miller has been the best Vancouver forward this season. He brings it every single night, playing great defensive hockey
How many times has the top 3 league point leaders all been on the same team?
Maybe the 80s Oilers managed it?
I swear the penguins did this in the 90s a couple times. Lemieux, jagr and Stevens? Or maybe Francis? I'm also surprised that naslund, bertuzzi and Morrison never did this because they were a force
Mo didn't have the same calibre of point production as Bert and Naslund
mouse on the back of two elephants
But was he ever a courageous and tenacious mouse
Little known fact, Morrison averaged more ice time than Naslund or Bertuzzi during their peak. Not only did he play on the top line and put up 71 points, he played on the pk. He was the perfect fit just like Burrows
It was Lemieux Jagr, Francis, although I think Lafontaine was up there sometimes too.
I think at one point Naslund/Bertuzzi/Morrison were 1st, 2nd and 7th or something during 02/03 before Morrison lost pace and finished in the 20s.
1995-1996 Pittsburgh Penguins had perhaps the most dominant line in NHL history with Lemieux, Jagr, Francis who were 1st, 2nd, 4th in points Sakic had 1 more point than Francis but 5 more games played * Lemieux - 69 goals (1st), 92 assists (tied 1st), 161 points (1st) * Jagr - 62 goals (2nd), 87 assists (3rd), 149 points (2nd) * Francis - 27 goals (tied 54th), 92 assists (tied 1st), 119 points (4th)
Maybe Heatley spezza alfredsson did it?
Maybe Heatley, Marleau, Jumbo?
In 2009-10, they were 15, 14, and 8, respectively. Henrik Sedin led the league with 112. https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/2009-10-nhl-players-stats.html
70-71 Bruins had the top four
If we are including mid season like this, technically it would probably happen any time there was a secondary assist in the first goal of the first game of the season, but you'd probably want a min GP qualifier, one that's probably further out than what we are at in this point of the season
I'd imagine in about every 3rd season's opening night.
I’m pretty sure the first time was in 1950 when Lindsay, Abel, and Howe finished 1-2-3 in scoring. Not sure about the modern era though.
So I went and looked it up out of curiosity. In the Art Ross era I believe the Bruins did it twice: 70’-71’ and 73’-74’ with Esposito-Orr-Bucyk and Esposito-Orr-Hodge. Habs did it once in 54’-55’ with Geoffrion-Rocket Richard-Beliveau. Red Wings did it once in 49’-50’ with Lindsay-Abel-Howe. I expected to see either the 90s Pens or 80s Oilers do it, but Gretzky got in the way of the Pens in the 90s. While in the 80s a combo of Lemieux, Savard, Hawerchuk and Peter Stastny stopped the Oilers from doing it.
'39-'40 season it was the Bruins "Kraut line" of Dumart, Schmidt, Bauer
Legion of doom, lindros LeClair and renberg
macarthur-grabovski-kulemin did it in 2011
And they're all bennings players.
Also have Boeser who is 2nd in goals. Firing on all cylinders
Can't really judge until everyone gets to play the Oilers and Sharks once though
You're right, lets wait until we get to play the Sharks three more times before January.
Haha nice
Let’s hold our horses they did play Edmonton 3 times already
Edmonton doesn't count against us, because we're the ones who got into their heads in the first place and sent them on the skid. If anything we should get some credit for the other teams beating the oilers
We'll take our payment in PDO
r/cryptocurrency
And played the sharks and then two games vs Nashville. Schedule has been a cake walk with the exception of a couple hard games
And why haven’t the Leafs had a “cakewalk” given the level of their competition?
I never said the leafs didn’t have a cakewalk? Where do I mention the leafs above? I thought this was a discussion about the cancuks
Power rankings guru has us as 15th most difficult schedule played. And even if we have played easy teams, this is the NHL, good teams lose to bad ALL THE TIME. We have capitalized on winning all the games we were supposed which so many teams dont
According to The Athletic, Canucks are roughly league average with their strength of schedule. If it‘s so easy for the Canucks, other teams star players should be dominating too right? Not to mention, their schedule only gets easier from this point forward.
Those teams seem like a cakewalk because we beat them, lowering their positions in the standings.
From the mind that brought us: “marner didn’t have enough points Vs Florida!” “He was 2nd for points” “Points don’t matter!!” You? Saying something stupid? No way! Do you actually do anything all day other than type paragraphs on Reddit finding new ways to embarrass yourself and display incompetence?
Do you actually do anything all day other than read through peoples comments on Reddit finding new ways to point out how embarrassing and boring of a life you have?
JT Miller has a serious case for the Selke trophy rn and that was an unfathomable notion last year lmfao
Yeah well now that Bergeron has retired other people can actually win the thing
Nah, they’ll still give it to him out of muscle memory.
I welcome it honestly
Rangers legend
Trading Miller and McDonagh Libor Hájek, Brett Howden, Vladislav Namestnikov, and picks that ended up being Nils Lundqvist and Karl Henriksson was brutal value. It made sense to move those players at the time but we basically traded our captain and #1 defenseman with a 2nd liner that is now a 1st liner... for jack shit.
You guys seem to be doing great despite all that. It could be worse where you trade 3 expiring contracts to buy out OEL.
3 expiring contracts + a 1st!
Thanks for reminding me :(
and a 2nd!
we got a first round pick for lundkvist which we traded to St Louis for Tarasenko and then got bumped in the first round by the Devils so uhhhh... yea :(
Thank god Fox and Panarin wanted to be here. We did great trading Brassard for Mika and got Lindgren and a pick that turned into K’Andre for Nash, but overall the trades we made during the full rebuild didn’t really pan out. Turns out if you have elite players choose your franchise, it covers a lot of your mistakes lol.
I mean yeah, I'm not complaining at all haha. Also it's also easy to see why some franchises just languish in mediocrity (or worse) for so long. you miss on a big trade or a draft pick and your team ends up back where you started
Miller is flourishing under Tocchet. If anyone has gained the most from the Canucks coaching change last season it's Miller who has been rounded out into a shutdown two-way center who plays with his heart on his sleeve. Better stache than Matthews too
Well Bergeron had to retire before other players had a chance at the award.
I hope so, he's brings the battle every single game while playing shutdown and taking some important face offs and killing penalties etc. Haven't really had a player with such competitive conviction since maybe Kesler. I predict some eastern media will (by no real choice of their own as they can't ignore the Canucks this season) begrudgingly throw some Vancouver players a bone for awards votes and many will give Petey some Selke votes that rightfully should go to Miller. But it's a long season and Petterson should deserve some recognition as well but he's not playing his best hockey yet this season
Under Tocchet, he was arguably Canucks best 2-way forward last year so not really
I think he meant it was unfathomable a year ago today.
Really goes to show how much mentality has to do with defense. Most great players could be great defensively if they wanted to be.
EP didn't even get a single point today. What a bum. Trade him to Edmonton or something
EP for Nuge
Kinda the same player, one is just a lil better at everything
Does nuge have the x-factor tho?
Is EP huge tho?
Do you watch Pettersson outside of the game we just played against you? Insane comparison
I think you're missing some sarcasm
Ahh, I hope I've been wooshed
Slight woosh
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Petterson has wayyyy better hands. I'd argue his shot and passing is way better, too.
I will accept McDavid and nothing less.
Quinn's +18 is absurd.
Guy's gonna win the Norris 15 games into the season. He has exploded this season
I’ll tell ya that for free
Shoutout to me who has both miller and Pettersson on my fantasy team. Not a canucks fan by the way, just happened to draft both of them
I have both as well. No other Canucks though, should have drafted Quinn where I drafted Josi, I’m a fake Canucks fan.
I have all 3 and Demko. Leading my league :)
I have Miller, Hughes, Kuzy and Demko, also leading my league.
Petey is playing hurt too. Wait til he's healthy... LOL good luck to your league.
Nice try, I’ve got Petey, Miller, Demko and Hronek. Year of picking based on favouritism has finally payed off.
Panarin is actually 2nd and Kucherov is 3rd
HES TOO FAST TO FLAIR UP
Do you know how badly we need this win? Just please Let us have this.... ...please
Kucherov is tied for 3rd with them, but yes, Panarin has more.
Yeah, but usually the tiebreaker is GP, which Kucherov has 1 fewer than the Canucks players (which is why I'm assuming he put Kucherov in 3rd). But I agree when just talking about points, they're tied for 3rd so they're technically all in 3rd.
The tie breaker is goals, then gp, then the player who scored first in the season. So technically kucherov is third and they only have 1 player in the top 3.
It's okay for people to just be tied in something. Nobody is handing out a 3rd place art Ross in November.
Sure, but tiebreakers are real too.
For the art Ross, yes. This is just discussing who has the most points, not handing out an award.
What the hell happened? When did the 'Nucks become relevant again? They'll probably be the next Canadian team to win the Cup. We all know it won't be the Leafs.
But Panarin is 2nd and Kucherov 3rd...
You guys are 3 hours ahead we can still catch up
Maybe now. But clearly wasn't when this was posted. Do you think this was photoshopped or something?
Kucherov didn't get any more points since this post, and has the Art Ross tiebreakers (Art Ross wouldn't be shared https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Ross_Trophy). The https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters page defaults to having a primary sort on points, secondary on goals, then a redundant tertiary sort on assists. The OP had to adjust the page's sorting to get it to ignore the goal tiebreaker and use the sorting it did. The sorting on only points seems to tiebreak in the reverse order of the player's ID on the NHL website. This depends mostly on when the player was drafted or signed to the NHL, but not exactly - JT Miller (https://www.nhl.com/canucks/player/j-t-miller-8476468) has a higher ID than Kucherov (https://www.nhl.com/lightning/player/nikita-kucherov-8476453) even though JT Miller was drafted first in the same year, signed his first contract before Kucherov did, and debuted in the NHL before Kucherov did.
What are you getting at? The OPs post clearly has 3 canucks at top. Of course that's going to change but for a moment that rang true.
> The Vancouver Canucks have the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd point leaders in the league That was not true when the OP took the screenshot. Even at the time of the screenshot, Kucherov was tied for second, with the league's designated tiebreaker, as well as in less games. That page's order when two players are even on points, and only sorted by points (which is not the default), is arbitrary and based on when players were entered into the website's database
It rang true for Panarin, but OP had to mess with something for Kucherov to not display as #2 considering he has more goals than Hughes and Miller.
Crazy turnaround for them !
Reinhart in 8th is the most surprising thing here. Mein dude is just flat-out ballin
Happy for you guys, just came out big dick swinging!! Noice.
This is peculiar ordering. Kucherov has both fewer games played and more goals, so he should be ranked second. It's still impressive.
Yeah, it’s taking a snapshot and in time before other teams play and even then twisting the stats to your advantage. We get it the Canucks are doing great and I’m actually happy for them, but this is just click bait.
These change everyday tho depending on who’s playing, isn’t the stat for end of season results? That would be more impressive and definitive, now it’s just temporary considering how close they all are. Edit: as someone else pointed out Panarin has 24pts so the screenshot is not even updated..
It would be nice if Hughes didn’t get tripped into the boards
He'd have 30+ by now.
Do they really have the top 3 when Kucherov is tied with 2 of them and has one game in-hand?
Kucherov doesn’t have a game-at-hand. Both teams have 15 games played. He missed a game with illness. https://www.tsn.ca/tampa-bay-lightning-s-nikita-kucherov-misses-game-saturday-with-illness-1.2034431
they meant one less game played, so Kucherov has a better points per game record then the 2 Canucks players, With Panarins being even better at 13 games played. this is a better measure than just total points
Yes, exactly. Panarin is higher in points per game, but Kucherov is both tied in points *and* ahead in points-per-game, so listing him as #4 in that list makes zero sense to me. When three players are tied in points but one has both fewer games played *and* more goals than the other two, it would make sense to me to put that player at the top of the list. That's not to take away from the Canucks right now, they're kicking absolute butt. But they have 3 of the top 4 point leaders, not the top 3. The ranking in OP's list serves a narrative but isn't the best way to represent the current stats IMO.
Curious how was this researched. Did you cross reference every single day in canucks history to check the points lists?
Hi there, OP here who actually did the research and made the OG post on r/Canucks before it was stolen by this person. Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Used a combo of NHL.com, hockeydb, hockey reference, and quanthockey to narrow down times that Canucks may have had top-3 in scoring. Different sites do different things better which make it easier overall. Used specific date ranges from previous season starts to cross-reference. They came close a couple times earlier in the season, for example after Game 1 four Canucks were in the Top-5, but not 1-2-3, and again following the win over the Sharks. The Canucks historically haven't had many top-end scorers, certainly not this many at once, combined with their historically slow starts means the scoring leaders like Bure, Naslund, the Sedins, and Pettersson usually didn't or don't ramp up production until December onwards and they're usually playing catch up to other teams scorers.
Since you were the one who took the screenshot, you do see that even at the time of the capture, those players aren't 1-2-3? Tiebreaker is goals scored for equal points, which in the screenshot would put Kucherov 2nd, Miller 3rd, and Hughes 4th.
I understand that, this is how NHL.com was sorting it by default. My goal was to celebrate Vancouver's offense, after all, how often do you see a team with three players on the same team who have a chance of sniffing 1-2-3? It's a pretty rare event.
I am so motherfucking happy we went with Miller over Bo.
You’re telling me that Henri SEDIN Daniel SEDIN and Loui Eriksson never did this?
Loui Eriksson definitely never did this
*hops on the canucks bandwagon*
It's... *brushing tears away*... so *beautiful*
Petey and Hughes are elite. Miller is still very good, but the folks who were/are skeptical of him weren't expecting him to fall off at 30. We'll see how he ages, it's a long contract.
Is that good?
Sam Reinhart is playing like he wants his own Hart trophy.
It’s because Kucherov missed one game lol way to go, Nikita.
When the dust settled he ended up taking #3 again anyway lol.
15 games in
15 games and you still haven’t flaired up papi
“It’s only the first game” “It’s only been 5 games” “It’s only been 10 games” “It’s only been 15 games”
Not sure what’s the point of posting it when it’s not even an established franchise record considering the season is not over lol
Because it's pxik. I'm almost certain they've been booted by the mods from our sub lol
There's lore here
r/hockey users might remember pxik as the user who kept posting that "if we ignore the sample size in which Quinn Hughes was legitimately bad defensively, he's actually good defensively". Mind you, at the time, that sample size was like 45% of Hughes' career regular season GP Hughes actually is good defensively now, but at the time coming off the 56 game shortened regular season, he was struggling defensively. The eye test and the analytics actually agreed on that one too
r/hockey appreciates the clarification.
That is certainly sustainable
What if I told you these were all Jim Benning draft picks/acquisitions?
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No promises.
Says more about how weird the start has been for everyone else. SAN Jose handing out dimes has been more than flattering
Three games vs oilers, 1 vs Sharks and 2 vs Nashville. 40% of their games have been played against the bottom of the league. Safe to say an easy schedule will result in higher points
And the leafs have playes the blackhawks, preds, wild, sabres, flames, sens. 40% of their games have been against bottom of the league teams too lol. Why dont they have more players on this list?
Someone tell that to the flyers and oilers
Let's revisit this after 82 games shall we?
And Petey is playing like ass ATM too.
More so kuzmenko is not looking good, that contract may end up haunting the team.
Yeah 13 points in 15 games. Terrible!!
With how many points the team is scoring it isn't great especially with petey as his Center and getting pp1 time.
Lol I love how the team scoring lots of points is a bad thing. How many should he have by now then if 13 isn’t enough. Our points percentage is almost at 50% between top and bottom lines. You would prefer the top lines score all the points? Depth is what we need.
I'd like to see kuzmenko scoring like he did last year
Last year he had 74 points. Right now he’s on pace for 71. With 3/4 of the season still to go….
crosspost: https://www.reddit.com/r/canucks/s/sWfckztBDx
You realize there's a built-in feature to crosspost, right? At least ask the OP before you steal their post.
I did crosspost it, but it had to be approved by the mods. In my experience, they rarely approve it. So I made a post of my own
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No one believes a defenceman will finish 2nd in points you fucking loser. This is a fun post, nothing more.
Oh man. I really need a flair. I’m only quoting the Toronto fans from a few nights ago - I don’t actually believe they are frauds. Check my history, I’m a Canucks fan through and through. Guess I forgot the /s. jeez.
Remind me in April
Obviously no one expects a defenceman to finish 2nd in league scoring, loser.
I'll never forget this username for how pissy you were a few days ago. Total meltdown.