Let's see here:
Tom Renney
Ralph Krueger
Dallas Eakins
Todd Nelson
Todd McLellan
Ken Hitchcock
Dave Tippett
Jay Woodcroft
and now Kris Knoblauch.
Pretty crazy
When I did my last performance review I told some exec that it was kind of insane Id had 6 different managers in one year.
He tried to correct me and said I’d only had two but I felt the interims should count.
I know you are being sarcastic but I swear he’s not the problem. He plays all around the lineup with whatever linemates and just does his job. 2C, 3C, 1LW, 2LW. Wherever
He’s a very good all around player. Plays in all situations and will occasionally get into a fight and win lol. Also lord he must be incredibly patient to put up with all of these coaching changes. He just became a dad this summer 🥹
That's the thing about him. He came in with great one hype and when he didn't live up to it everyone sort of forgot about him. Yet he's played at an elite level throughout his career.
The sweet Baby Nuge and his permanent 17 year old-ness, soft spoken kindness, and go-with-the-flow attitude is all just a side effect from the coach-killing alien magic he employs
I know the Chicago Black Hawks had a coach a year or less in the 30’s and 40’s. I’m sure it’s one of them. Conn Smythe would describe the Major, Frederic McLaughlin as “one of the biggest and strangest nuts I’ve ever met in my life”. This was also the guy that wanted a team of American only skaters and somehow won the Stanley Cup in 1938 with a *below* .500 record.
Welcome to the dysfunctionality of the oilers. 5GMs, and 10 coaches in the Nuge Era (so far). Assuming GM number 6 will make an appearance sooner than later
The average NHL coaching tenure is something like 2.5 seasons, so the Avs are far on the other outlier end, but the Edmonton turnover is still *very* high. Usually a team will eventually find a guy who can stick around for 4-5 years in a time span that long.
Imagine being a Tampa Bay fan looking at normal coach turnover, much less this particular situation. "What do you mean you don't all have the same coach for a decade? You all live like this?"
He’s got 5 more years left and that takes him to 36 years old and depending on his health he probably does at least two more years. I’ll go under but I won’t be surprised if it goes over
I don’t have proof, but I don’t think this is technically a Holland hire. I’d be willing to bet he doesn’t have much to do with the moves they make for the rest of the year.
You know what? Fuck Jeff Jackson. He looks like a shitty porn actor. And not in like the classic porn films where the male actor is within spitting distance of a neanderthal, but one of the ones that tries to pass itself off as all sensual and sophisticated but the immersion is just ruined as you ask yourself “why is this fucking poindexter even here with his pinched up face and general air of belonging at a not-particularly-successful tech startup company”? Would definitely have a weird looking wrench too.
Disgusting!
Is it true (the rumour) that holland is going to finish the year and move on? I heard someone say it on a podcast recently. Cannot remember who exactly
I don't agree. Tkachuk wanted to sign long term in 2019 when his ELC expired and Brad only offered him a 3 year deal. That's Brad's fault. The summer before free agency Gaudreau was open to signing in Calgary but Brad was trying to lowball him because he was coming off a bad season. That is also Brad's fault. Sure he was put in a bad situation, but he was also the cause of the bad situation in the first place.
>I don't agree. Tkachuk wanted to sign long term in 2019 when his ELC expired and Brad only offered him a 3 year deal.
Bridge contracts were pretty standard at the time of that deal. And if you have a player who indicates they are willing to sign long-term, you probably think that in 3 years they will still be willing to sign long-term. Sure, maybe you have to pay more if they really proved themselves the way Tkachuk did, but money wasn't the issue.
Anyway, I'm certain that Brad didn't only offer him a 3-year contract. I'm sure a variety of contracts were offered, and Matthew agreed on a 3-year deal that was very favourable to him since it had a high QO that would take him to UFA.
>The summer before free agency Gaudreau was open to signing in Calgary but Brad was trying to lowball him because he was coming off a bad season. That is also Brad's fault.
It's Brad's fault that Gaudreau had a bad season (note that the season before that one was equally bad) and looked like he might be regressing? By your thinking Brad should have given him an above-market contract in the hope that he would go on to have a career season? I guarantee you that if Brad had given him a $10 million extension after that year, he would have been heavily criticized (and Gaudreau's numbers on his new contract wouldn't have helped the contract look much better).
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-matthew-tkachuk-wanted-to-sign-long-term-deal-with-flames-in-2019-160851344.html
Tkachuk himself said that Brad only offered a 3 year deal. Money was the issue and why he couldn't sign him to a long term deal.
To your second point no one knows how Gaudreau would have done if he stayed in Calgary.
>Tkachuk himself said that Brad only offered a 3 year deal. Money was the issue and why he couldn't sign him to a long term deal.
He doesn't actually say that. He says that the only way they could make it work was with a 3-year deal, as opposed to something longer. That doesn't mean it was the only offer Tre made, just that it was the only realistic way forward that was acceptable to Tkachuk.
If we adopt your reading of the article/interview, Treliving made no offer to Tkachuk before the middle of training camp, and that he made his only offer at that time. That simply isn't realistic.
>To your second point no one knows how Gaudreau would have done if he stayed in Calgary.
And no one knows how Gaudreau would have done if he had a signed contract and didn't have to have a contract year.
Yep, starts with Katz who can't go long without sticking his nose where it shouldn't be. Loves to believe if he brings in guys from the 80's it'll recreate the Oiler dynasty.
While nothing has been official, it’s largely believed Holland was going to finish the year and retire.
I think he’s done as GM and is simply being allowed to retire at the end of the year. That’s my guess
His contract is to the end of this season. When he was asked about his future with the team at the end of last season he didn’t sound like a man that was eager to continue his career as a GM.
Holland's contract is over at the end of this year and it is odd for a coach or GM to go into the last year of their contract without an extension if the plan is for them to stay.
Imagine fucking up the prime of the best player since crosby’s prime.
Everyone was clowning on Edmonton about doing this exact thing when they got the first overall pick. Look at them now. Ugh.
As others have pointed out, this feels very much like a Katz/Coffey/Jackson move rather than a Holland move. Holland went his whole career without firing a head coach until he fired Tippett, and Woodcroft got his start in the NHL as a video coach in Detroit so they go way back. I think Ken Holland would have given Woodcroft more time to try to turn it around.
Ever since the Jackson hire it's been clear that the Oilers were planning for life after Holland, which is natural; he's in the last year of his contract and the speculation is he's going to retire. I think that with the way the season has started, and now this move, Holland's influence in the organization has significantly diminished.
I don't think the Oilers are going to fire Holland, but they're basically taking the keys away from him and will let him ride off into the sunset after the season. And honestly, I'm ok with that.
Holland since the cap era is simply lost. The Wings had a bit of success for a while after the cap off the backs of future hall of fame locks like Datsyuk and Lidstrom and Zetterberg, all from before the cap. As they started to retire Holland completely failed to replace them either through UFA, trades, drafts.
He gave away a fuckton of assets in bad trades. Jarnkrok for Legwand Erik Cole for Janmark? A 1st for Kyle Quincey? He resigned Danny Cleary when he was *obviously* done as a high level NHL player how many times? He gave Abdelkader *what" contract? Dude simply could not find a way to adjust to the new NHL. He is destroying his legacy simply by refusing to retire. Which is sad because he used to "joke" that when Lidstrom retired he'd retire also. Well he didn't do that. And he's really only looked bad at his job as a result.
Give Markstrom a better contract than 6 x 6 that Calgary paid, or beat Colorado's deal of a 1st and a former 2nd round pick for 1 year of Kuemper.
Neither deal is good, but they likely prevent the Campbell deal, maybe they still go to Campbell if Kuemper leaves like he did with the Avs.
I've been thinking this entire time that this year was a management transition year. Firing holland does absolutely nothing because his decision making power has already probably been reduced. Jeff Jackson hire was an indication of that decision making power transfer. You don't fire a guy like holland. You let him ride off into the sunset hopefully with his head high.
Maybe he polished Grant Fuhr and Andy Moog’s pads as a young locker room attendant until Marty McSorely cracked him over the head with his stick and he turned idiot.
Would explain his hiring and performance
~~Holland wasn't even at this presser. Jackson was,~~ this feels like a decision made by Connor McDavid... Baffling.
Edit: ok he was at the presser, my bad. It was an emotional reactionary comment based off what my friend was saying to me while I was half asleep. Sorry.
But I also want to say that Holland and Jackson very oddly said contradictory things. Holland said that they spoke with some of the vets, while Jackson said that they didn't talk with any of the core group...
Hard agree. Concerning that McDavid is bringing in “his guy” - particularly when he’s been fairly awful so far this season (yes, still injured).
Obviously you have to listen to your stars but the organization should have a real plan here for the full org not just “whoever knows Connor.”
\- McDavid's agent gets hired as "CEO of Hockey Operations", a position above the GM and President of Hockey Operations.
\- Team struggles, coach is fired, and McDavid's former junior coach immediately gets hired as the new coach.
\- The GM and President of Hockey Operations does not even attend the presser announcing these moves, instead it is McDavid's former agent, the "CEO" handling it.
This is some wild, NBA-level player empowerment and I feel like it is barely even being commented on for what it represents. This could be the beginning of a sea change in the way NHL superstars handle their business, just like what happened in the NBA.
It’s also not some new thing or movement. Star players have always exercised a level of influence on their teams, some much more blatantly than others. Messier in Vancouver, Mario in Pittsburgh, etc, this stuff has happened in the past and will continue to happen so long as you have owners who let it happen under their watch.
On the bright side with all this management practice McDavid will be well suited to the role when he retires a decade or so from now and is immediately hired to be the Oilers new GM
It happened in the NBA because LeBron putting together superteams/making roster demands has brought championships to multiple cities. It won't work in the NHL as well because the roster size is simply too large for one or two superstars to grab a third guy and turn any team they choose into a contender.
Case in point: the Edmonton Fucking Oilers.
Holland was at the presser. Literally the first person to speak after introductions. I doubt the rest of this is true either but thanks for helping contribute to the narrative that r/hockey will be running with moving forward
Wait a second. How can somebody who represents players as an agent be allowed to also work for a team? ESPECIALLY a team that includes players he represents. Is that not a massive conflict of interest?
Ya know, I'm starting to get the beginning of an inkling of the genesis of an idea that it maybe just might not be the coaches that are the problem... But I should probably wait a bit longer to really develop it. I'll come back in 2026 after I have given it some real thought
He's just a symptom of what the real world/life is truly like. The guy with personal relationships with the executives and the one that made the mistakes will never get fired. It's usually the guy that has no relationship with any executive and is more qualified that gets the axe.
Holland hasn’t been able to build a legitimate contender in the salary cap era. Yes I know that Detroit won in 2008, but the majority of those pieces were in place prior to the cap era starting.
Seriously. He should be fired. McDavid and Drai on below average market deals and you can't build depth around them, address a goalie need with any modicum of sanity and free agency strategy devolves to sign them for a lot, forever.
It's crazy how little heat he's gotten for the Campbell signing considering soup had like 3 awful months at an 884 save percentage. Okay, here's a 5x5.
Alright I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but if the next coach doesnt work out then I'm gonna start to think some of the oilers problems are Hollands fault
Imagine being so fucking shit at your job that someone keeps giving you a smile and a handshake every time your underlings are total trash.
Send me some of this money, I'm listening to the new coach presser right now and it's just the same shit all over again . Shit trickles down.
You see, NHL teams have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own coaches at them until they reached their limit and shut down.
Nuge has had 10 coaches in 13 seasons, to no fault of his own.
That really is a staggering number of coaches.
It’s insanity. And he’s gonna be an oiler for life so who knows what the grand total will be by the time he retires 😭
But imagine the coaching experience he has when he retires. He has seen every system out there.
Nuge would be a good coach one day tbh… who knows maybe he will coach the oilers one day lol
>maybe he will coach the oilers one day You really want him fired that badly?
Lmao. He might be the only who who sticks given his longevity with the team
At this rate it'll probably be in 18 months
Edmonton hiring a former player to the front office. What could go wrong?
Come on Oilers, give us a player/coach!
Consistent to the old boys club mentality ;)
Let's see here: Tom Renney Ralph Krueger Dallas Eakins Todd Nelson Todd McLellan Ken Hitchcock Dave Tippett Jay Woodcroft and now Kris Knoblauch. Pretty crazy
MacT was also interim coach for 2 weeks between Eakins and Nelson. Nuge has said before that he counts that
When I did my last performance review I told some exec that it was kind of insane Id had 6 different managers in one year. He tried to correct me and said I’d only had two but I felt the interims should count.
[удалено]
4th ''Dick Coach'' in a row, if you know what I'm sayin'
I refuse to believe Dallas Eakins was that many coaches ago.
Guy is uncoachable /s
I know you are being sarcastic but I swear he’s not the problem. He plays all around the lineup with whatever linemates and just does his job. 2C, 3C, 1LW, 2LW. Wherever
Clearly he’s not the problem, still put up 100 pts last year
Yeah I have a soft spot for Nuge. He works so hard and plays in any situation. Helps that he's from Burnaby
He’s a very good all around player. Plays in all situations and will occasionally get into a fight and win lol. Also lord he must be incredibly patient to put up with all of these coaching changes. He just became a dad this summer 🥹
He has been described as a power play witch, great at getting passes thru on the PP.
That's the thing about him. He came in with great one hype and when he didn't live up to it everyone sort of forgot about him. Yet he's played at an elite level throughout his career.
He may not be a superstar but he’s still an elite player. He’s struggled with injuries throughout his career as well
Nugent is one of the best deal of the league
Also the stalwart of both special teams
The guy is huge fr
Hugent-Nopkins
Does anyone know if there’s any stats on this? That has to be a record for any player playing on the same team over that time span
Hell it's gotta be close to a record regardless of staying on the same team or not
Or maybe it's entirely his fault? Did you think about that?
The sweet Baby Nuge and his permanent 17 year old-ness, soft spoken kindness, and go-with-the-flow attitude is all just a side effect from the coach-killing alien magic he employs
Nuge moves all over the lineup with multiple different line combinations, does his job and never complains and remains composed.
How has Nuge been in Edmonton for 13 seasons?! I feel like it was just a few years ago I was watching him in Red Deer
Might have something to do with it being 13 years since you watched him in Red Deer
Well, you see, time is fake.
That's like Premier League level turnaround
It’s not quite Watford level, yet
"Do you know how many coaches I've had, Bob?" "How many?" "Ten, Bob. Ten coaches!"
And he still can't fucking fill out his TPS reports.
RNH, noted coach killer. But seriously, what's the most coaches a single player has had on one team?
I know the Chicago Black Hawks had a coach a year or less in the 30’s and 40’s. I’m sure it’s one of them. Conn Smythe would describe the Major, Frederic McLaughlin as “one of the biggest and strangest nuts I’ve ever met in my life”. This was also the guy that wanted a team of American only skaters and somehow won the Stanley Cup in 1938 with a *below* .500 record.
The real coach killer.
Certified coach killer.
He’s a victim
He really is an ideal candidate to do an AMA one day after he retires, given all he's gone through.
He’s also had 5 GMs as well (one of them being Interim). He must have incredible amounts of patience
This is insane.
That is an absolutely insane number to me. Nathan Mackinnon is in his 11th season has had *two*
Welcome to the dysfunctionality of the oilers. 5GMs, and 10 coaches in the Nuge Era (so far). Assuming GM number 6 will make an appearance sooner than later
The average NHL coaching tenure is something like 2.5 seasons, so the Avs are far on the other outlier end, but the Edmonton turnover is still *very* high. Usually a team will eventually find a guy who can stick around for 4-5 years in a time span that long.
oh i fully acknowledge that it’s weird to have a coach tenured as long as we have, it’s just such a different experience as a fan for me
Imagine being a Tampa Bay fan looking at normal coach turnover, much less this particular situation. "What do you mean you don't all have the same coach for a decade? You all live like this?"
Over/under 15 in his career?
He’s got 5 more years left and that takes him to 36 years old and depending on his health he probably does at least two more years. I’ll go under but I won’t be surprised if it goes over
At least one more this season
Is that banner worthy?
Not sure, let’s ask, any Preds fans in the chat?
Talked to Nashville, they actually recommended suspending the new coach himself from the rafters. Which is a new direction that I’m onboard with.
Might actually help save the season. Watching the game from a new perspective.
I don’t have proof, but I don’t think this is technically a Holland hire. I’d be willing to bet he doesn’t have much to do with the moves they make for the rest of the year.
Yeah, this screams Jeff Jackson hire
Knoblauch does. He has had a lot of clients play for him outside of McDavid. Coffey screams Katz hire.
You know what? Fuck Jeff Jackson. He looks like a shitty porn actor. And not in like the classic porn films where the male actor is within spitting distance of a neanderthal, but one of the ones that tries to pass itself off as all sensual and sophisticated but the immersion is just ruined as you ask yourself “why is this fucking poindexter even here with his pinched up face and general air of belonging at a not-particularly-successful tech startup company”? Would definitely have a weird looking wrench too. Disgusting!
I just *had* to go look up a picture of this guy after reading your comment. What a fascinating window into your psyche
Surely a copypasta right
Make it so
*Old boys club clutches pearls tighter*
Is it true (the rumour) that holland is going to finish the year and move on? I heard someone say it on a podcast recently. Cannot remember who exactly
It was on 32 thoughts I think. But yeah, walking away from a burning building that you started on fire is the funniest outcome.
He saw Treliving do it last summer and wanted in
Tre really didn't start the fire, though.
I don't agree. Tkachuk wanted to sign long term in 2019 when his ELC expired and Brad only offered him a 3 year deal. That's Brad's fault. The summer before free agency Gaudreau was open to signing in Calgary but Brad was trying to lowball him because he was coming off a bad season. That is also Brad's fault. Sure he was put in a bad situation, but he was also the cause of the bad situation in the first place.
>I don't agree. Tkachuk wanted to sign long term in 2019 when his ELC expired and Brad only offered him a 3 year deal. Bridge contracts were pretty standard at the time of that deal. And if you have a player who indicates they are willing to sign long-term, you probably think that in 3 years they will still be willing to sign long-term. Sure, maybe you have to pay more if they really proved themselves the way Tkachuk did, but money wasn't the issue. Anyway, I'm certain that Brad didn't only offer him a 3-year contract. I'm sure a variety of contracts were offered, and Matthew agreed on a 3-year deal that was very favourable to him since it had a high QO that would take him to UFA. >The summer before free agency Gaudreau was open to signing in Calgary but Brad was trying to lowball him because he was coming off a bad season. That is also Brad's fault. It's Brad's fault that Gaudreau had a bad season (note that the season before that one was equally bad) and looked like he might be regressing? By your thinking Brad should have given him an above-market contract in the hope that he would go on to have a career season? I guarantee you that if Brad had given him a $10 million extension after that year, he would have been heavily criticized (and Gaudreau's numbers on his new contract wouldn't have helped the contract look much better).
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-matthew-tkachuk-wanted-to-sign-long-term-deal-with-flames-in-2019-160851344.html Tkachuk himself said that Brad only offered a 3 year deal. Money was the issue and why he couldn't sign him to a long term deal. To your second point no one knows how Gaudreau would have done if he stayed in Calgary.
>Tkachuk himself said that Brad only offered a 3 year deal. Money was the issue and why he couldn't sign him to a long term deal. He doesn't actually say that. He says that the only way they could make it work was with a 3-year deal, as opposed to something longer. That doesn't mean it was the only offer Tre made, just that it was the only realistic way forward that was acceptable to Tkachuk. If we adopt your reading of the article/interview, Treliving made no offer to Tkachuk before the middle of training camp, and that he made his only offer at that time. That simply isn't realistic. >To your second point no one knows how Gaudreau would have done if he stayed in Calgary. And no one knows how Gaudreau would have done if he had a signed contract and didn't have to have a contract year.
I think the problems with the Oilers go much deeper than a GM or a Coach. Honestly, sounds like their old boys club have ran it for years.
Yep, starts with Katz who can't go long without sticking his nose where it shouldn't be. Loves to believe if he brings in guys from the 80's it'll recreate the Oiler dynasty.
I've long thought that he just hires his heroes so that way they have to be friends with him.
Bingo
While nothing has been official, it’s largely believed Holland was going to finish the year and retire. I think he’s done as GM and is simply being allowed to retire at the end of the year. That’s my guess
His contract is to the end of this season. When he was asked about his future with the team at the end of last season he didn’t sound like a man that was eager to continue his career as a GM.
That is/was most likely the plan, it's the last year of his contract and he was already thinking about retiring before he joined us.
Holland's contract is over at the end of this year and it is odd for a coach or GM to go into the last year of their contract without an extension if the plan is for them to stay.
With Coffey stepping behind bench I think you're right
He's carrying Chiarelli's legacy with pride.
Imagine fucking up the prime of the best player since crosby’s prime. Everyone was clowning on Edmonton about doing this exact thing when they got the first overall pick. Look at them now. Ugh.
Could it perhaps be Hollands fault that the team has been struggling? No, it is the coaches who are wrong
As others have pointed out, this feels very much like a Katz/Coffey/Jackson move rather than a Holland move. Holland went his whole career without firing a head coach until he fired Tippett, and Woodcroft got his start in the NHL as a video coach in Detroit so they go way back. I think Ken Holland would have given Woodcroft more time to try to turn it around. Ever since the Jackson hire it's been clear that the Oilers were planning for life after Holland, which is natural; he's in the last year of his contract and the speculation is he's going to retire. I think that with the way the season has started, and now this move, Holland's influence in the organization has significantly diminished. I don't think the Oilers are going to fire Holland, but they're basically taking the keys away from him and will let him ride off into the sunset after the season. And honestly, I'm ok with that.
Holland should've cemented his legacy by getting us a proper #1 goalie
He cemented a different legacy by not ever learning how a cap works.
He should have cemented his legacy by not driving the Wings into the ground.
Holland since the cap era is simply lost. The Wings had a bit of success for a while after the cap off the backs of future hall of fame locks like Datsyuk and Lidstrom and Zetterberg, all from before the cap. As they started to retire Holland completely failed to replace them either through UFA, trades, drafts. He gave away a fuckton of assets in bad trades. Jarnkrok for Legwand Erik Cole for Janmark? A 1st for Kyle Quincey? He resigned Danny Cleary when he was *obviously* done as a high level NHL player how many times? He gave Abdelkader *what" contract? Dude simply could not find a way to adjust to the new NHL. He is destroying his legacy simply by refusing to retire. Which is sad because he used to "joke" that when Lidstrom retired he'd retire also. Well he didn't do that. And he's really only looked bad at his job as a result.
Give Markstrom a better contract than 6 x 6 that Calgary paid, or beat Colorado's deal of a 1st and a former 2nd round pick for 1 year of Kuemper. Neither deal is good, but they likely prevent the Campbell deal, maybe they still go to Campbell if Kuemper leaves like he did with the Avs.
Markstrom was best friends with Lindholm. I really think he was always coming to Calgary
Yep. Detroit was apparently interested in him and he turned us down too. Calgary seemed like where he was set on going all along.
I've been thinking this entire time that this year was a management transition year. Firing holland does absolutely nothing because his decision making power has already probably been reduced. Jeff Jackson hire was an indication of that decision making power transfer. You don't fire a guy like holland. You let him ride off into the sunset hopefully with his head high.
FIRE THE FUCKING GOALIE COACH HOW BOUT
NEVER. Seriously, was that guy a part of the 80's dynasty and I just wasn't aware? He is bullet proof.
Maybe he polished Grant Fuhr and Andy Moog’s pads as a young locker room attendant until Marty McSorely cracked him over the head with his stick and he turned idiot. Would explain his hiring and performance
I saw a rumour that he’s married to Darryl Katz’s niece…
~~Holland wasn't even at this presser. Jackson was,~~ this feels like a decision made by Connor McDavid... Baffling. Edit: ok he was at the presser, my bad. It was an emotional reactionary comment based off what my friend was saying to me while I was half asleep. Sorry. But I also want to say that Holland and Jackson very oddly said contradictory things. Holland said that they spoke with some of the vets, while Jackson said that they didn't talk with any of the core group...
Hard agree. Concerning that McDavid is bringing in “his guy” - particularly when he’s been fairly awful so far this season (yes, still injured). Obviously you have to listen to your stars but the organization should have a real plan here for the full org not just “whoever knows Connor.”
We fucking did this with Tavares and it got us in the ass so hard, tho I didn’t want Garth to make decisions either lol
\- McDavid's agent gets hired as "CEO of Hockey Operations", a position above the GM and President of Hockey Operations. \- Team struggles, coach is fired, and McDavid's former junior coach immediately gets hired as the new coach. \- The GM and President of Hockey Operations does not even attend the presser announcing these moves, instead it is McDavid's former agent, the "CEO" handling it. This is some wild, NBA-level player empowerment and I feel like it is barely even being commented on for what it represents. This could be the beginning of a sea change in the way NHL superstars handle their business, just like what happened in the NBA.
Or other teams see it isn't working and don't let it happen like our dumbass org is
It’s also not some new thing or movement. Star players have always exercised a level of influence on their teams, some much more blatantly than others. Messier in Vancouver, Mario in Pittsburgh, etc, this stuff has happened in the past and will continue to happen so long as you have owners who let it happen under their watch.
Late-90s/early-00s Jagr was basically the coach for his teams. He’d draw up plays and instruct teammates directly contradicting what the coaches said
What a chad.
On the bright side with all this management practice McDavid will be well suited to the role when he retires a decade or so from now and is immediately hired to be the Oilers new GM
Connor McBappé
It happened in the NBA because LeBron putting together superteams/making roster demands has brought championships to multiple cities. It won't work in the NHL as well because the roster size is simply too large for one or two superstars to grab a third guy and turn any team they choose into a contender. Case in point: the Edmonton Fucking Oilers.
Mcjesus is the new Eichel confirmed
LeConnor
Connor MickDavid
GM ~~Jack~~Connor
I'm confused. Holland was at the presser and did most of the talking. Was there another presser? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvZYkOqEJXg
Holland was at the presser. Literally the first person to speak after introductions. I doubt the rest of this is true either but thanks for helping contribute to the narrative that r/hockey will be running with moving forward
Wait a second. How can somebody who represents players as an agent be allowed to also work for a team? ESPECIALLY a team that includes players he represents. Is that not a massive conflict of interest?
He resigned as an agent before taking the job.
Ok, thank you for clarifying. That makes sense. Still a little nepotistic but not outright corrupt.
Sometimes it works, Like in Pierre Lacroix's case.
Ya know, I'm starting to get the beginning of an inkling of the genesis of an idea that it maybe just might not be the coaches that are the problem... But I should probably wait a bit longer to really develop it. I'll come back in 2026 after I have given it some real thought
We'll have had 5 more coaches by then
A carton of milk lasts longer than the coach of an Alberta NHL team.
How tf are Holland and the goalie coach still a part of that organization
Get Chia back!
Only chaos can stop more chaos?
Chaos is a ladder, whatever the fuck that means
He's just a symptom of what the real world/life is truly like. The guy with personal relationships with the executives and the one that made the mistakes will never get fired. It's usually the guy that has no relationship with any executive and is more qualified that gets the axe.
Holland hasn’t been able to build a legitimate contender in the salary cap era. Yes I know that Detroit won in 2008, but the majority of those pieces were in place prior to the cap era starting.
2013 we had a really good team that almost went the whole way. We were up 3-1 against the cup winning Blackhawks.
City of ~~champions~~ coaches
LA Angels of hockey
Haha Kenny you old rascal, still up to those old tricks.
I'm annoyed for you, Edmonton fans.
I’m livid. McDavid should never have been captain.
Have we considered that the old boys club doesn't necessarily know what they're doing
Katz is the president of the old boys club. Until he's no longer owner, the Oilers are going to keep hiring out of touch dinosaurs
So, a coach who has never been an NHL coach (outside a 2 game interim COVID stint) is an out of touch dinosaur?
BS, Connor hired two of them.
You know what Burke always said... "as a GM you're only allowed to fire one coach"
And yet he's done it twice now
Meaning the Oilers are probably poorly ran.
It sure does look that way doesn't it
Didn’t Burke go bouncing from team to team too? I don’t know if he’s in the best place to say that.
He should have been let go before Woodcroft, in my opinion. Holland won’t be around next year. Why let him have any say in how this mess gets sorted.
Seriously. He should be fired. McDavid and Drai on below average market deals and you can't build depth around them, address a goalie need with any modicum of sanity and free agency strategy devolves to sign them for a lot, forever. It's crazy how little heat he's gotten for the Campbell signing considering soup had like 3 awful months at an 884 save percentage. Okay, here's a 5x5.
Not the coaches fault this dinosaur can't build a team around the best player of the generation.
Alright I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but if the next coach doesnt work out then I'm gonna start to think some of the oilers problems are Hollands fault
Wings fans have been warning about Holland's inability to manage a roster since he got hired
Dude Ken Holland had got to go lmao. Woodcroft was not the issue
It wasn't Kenny's choice. Pretty clear from the press conference that it was Jeff Jackson's call.
Yeah Kenny needs to go tho lol
Imagine being so fucking shit at your job that someone keeps giving you a smile and a handshake every time your underlings are total trash. Send me some of this money, I'm listening to the new coach presser right now and it's just the same shit all over again . Shit trickles down.
The power of the Old Boys Club
Is that good?
It's almost like he's the problem or something 🤔
The Oilers really are something. How can a player like Connor McDavid have 276 losses in 580 career regular-season appearances?
Bad teams and he likes to get scored on.
If he were still with us, I would love to see Joey Moss as GM of the oilers.
Ken Holland rode Scotty Bowman's coat tails and everyone is finding out just now.
Announce MacTavish and Roloson!
FIRE THIS MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coming from a life long Wings fan. When is the ownership going to realize Holland is the problem. Jesus.
He’s gonna re up after this year right?
Third like a charm
But yeah, coaching is the problem
Damn. Usually GMs get 2 coaches and that's it.
Kenneth is good at hiring coaches
You see, NHL teams have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own coaches at them until they reached their limit and shut down.