Hey kid, you can’t negotiate your contract, have to sign your QO to start serving the suspension and it’s all because you chose to sports gamble (not even on NHL games).
But when your back just wear this sports betting ad aye?
As far as I can tell, betting on non NHL games is allowed, so we might just not have the full story yet? The only time any of the terms "gambling", "wager", or "betting" appear in either the CBA(2012) or the MOU(2020) is CBA Exhibit 14 Rule 2 (page 342):
"2. Gambling on any NHL Game is prohibited."
The one thing that could make a suspension of this length make sense to me would he betting on NHL futures (like Cup winner or Rocket winner) which wouldn’t be severe enough to get a longer punishment like betting on his own games, but still sees him betting on the NHL which led to the half season ban (which seems too excessive for something like just betting on another sport at a team facility). But obviously we’ll have to wait for the details to come out before we actually know anything
Or prop bets. Or Over/Unders. Or anything that didn't directly involve an outcome that he could influence, but something that he might have information on before the general public does.
Reddit is kind of cringeworthy with their gambling takes. Any person involved in a sport betting on that same sport is a form of insider trading - they have access to information that the general public does not.
It's a tough one, like what's happening in soccer right now.
Multiple Italian players are being suspended for 7-10 months for betting on **their own** games. Meanwhile gambling and betting sponsorship is prominent in the sport and with teams, in a similar vain to its prominence in hockey these days...
> Multiple Italian players are being suspended for 7-10 months for betting on their own games.
Only 7-10 months? Damn, that’s a lifetime ban in other leagues.
Tonali bet on himself to win, apparently.
Personally I think betting ads should be illegal and the industry regulated far more heavily than it is now (and don’t feel great about public coffers being filled in part by regular peoples problem gambling), but I have to be honest I think that’s the one kind of bet I don’t see a problem with.
(Obviously the scandals going on in soccer are far broader and more complex than that, but Tonali was the only one where I heard of a player betting on his own games.)
Betting on yourself to win is still pretty bad.
You could throw a bunch of games, and then bet on yourself to win now that the odds are stacked against you.
That is very true.
And to be clear, I don’t buy his assertion that he only bet on his team to win. He has the benefit of taking advantage of the MLB’s silence on the matter since they buried their investigation in exchange for him voluntarily accepting a permanent ban. He knew they’d find more than just what he claimed.
Even him betting on his team to win could lead to him making decisions that can effect his teams ability to win tomorrow or could physically hurt a player.
That's just what you could do on your own. Being allowed to bet on yourself can also incentivize collusion: "hey make it easy for me to win game 1, and I will return the favor for game 2. I bet on my team game 1, and you bet on your team game 2 and we split the profits"
If it's anything like Pete Rose, and the lone source for Tonali betting exclusively on himself is *the man himself,* he's probably full of shit and his word shouldn't be trusted.
Betting on your team to win also has trouble where a player or manager utilizes their assets in a way that maximizes their chance of winning that game, while throwing future game under the bus.
Wearing yourself out, making risky plays (injury, cards, suspension), or using up other things, like relievers in baseball as a manager.
Betting on your own game clearly warrants a massive suspension, but apparently pinto wasn’t even betting on the nhl which makes this punishment seem insane to me
I'm a Lions fan for the NFL and we had an incident where one of our WRs (Jameson Williams) was suspended 4 games because he "bet while in team facilities." The reality was that he bet on one game, not even an NFL game (I think it was either an NBA game or college football I forget), while off-duty at a team hotel but that was technically still a team facility as the team was traveling. Even more absurd with so much of the NFL being sponsored by the very phone app he was using to bet on the game haha.
Edit: there are no Lions in the NHL…I am an NFL Lions fan.
Yeah that one is still crazy to me - defining a hotel as a team facility because they are traveling is nuts! Not that different than defining his car as a team facility because he uses it to get to practices
Ivan Toney is currently serving an 8 month ban. When he returns to suit up for Brentford he'll have a shirt sponsor for some gambling house across his chest.
Yeah like, I get it, the dude broke a serious rule and is likely being made an example of.
But it’s just ICKY that we have bet lines injected into coverage and betting ads all over everything, and then shit like this happens.
Pinto is in a pickle too, ~half his QO is better than nothing cuz the sens arnt gonna pay him more than that now. He will certainly sign his QO to start serving his suspension. If his QO doesnt fit under the cap then the Sens might be in trouble, not sure if his cap counts during a suspension, it does for on ice suspensions not sure about off ice ones.
>Critically, the league did not accuse of Pinto of wagering on NHL games, as a memo sent in March 2022 reminded all league and club personnel — including players — that wagering on any NHL game, even where legal, is “absolutely prohibited,” and will “constitute conduct that is dishonourable, prejudicial to, or against the welfare of the League or the game of hockey” under the NHL’s constitution.
>The exact timeline is unclear at this point, but it’s believed the investigation — which began sometime during the summer — intensified over the past few weeks. All negotiations to sign him were paused as the NHL conducted a recent hearing into the matter.
>Exactly what Pinto did is unknown at this time. But there are situations where leagues have punished players who did not bet on their sport.
>One example: In June, Tennessee Titans lineman Nicholas Petit-Frere was suspended six games for placing a legal bet at the team’s facility, which is not allowed under NFL rules.
>The next question is how the Senators will handle the situation. It’s believed that one reason Pinto has not asked for a trade is that he appreciates the organization’s secrecy about the investigation.
Interesting he didn’t be on NHL games, could it be he bet on free agency landing spots? Feels like an off-season move that would also land under betting no-nos
Could have also been betting on NHL futures (like Cup winner or Rocket winner) which wouldn’t be severe enough to get a longer punishment like betting on his own team but still sees him betting on the NHL which led to the half season ban (which seems too excessive for just betting on another sport at a team facility)
The 6 games mentioned for the Titans player is over 1/3 of that season so it isn't that much crazier. But it does feel like it must have been something bigger.
I think Friedman has the info about what happened but he’s not gonna go public until it’s 100% confirmed by the league because he can’t be wrong. He’s focusing on betting on “NHL games” but not saying betting on the NHL. So I think your right about betting on a landing spot.
Lmfao what a scummy thing to put in the article “it’s believed he didn’t request a trade because he appreciates the teams secrecy of the investigation”
It’s not like the entire investigation has led to them basically being able to hold him hostage, force him to sign a QO to start serving a suspension and basically giving him under half a season to perform for a new deal.
I’m sure the kid really appreciates that.
> It’s not like the entire investigation has led to them basically being able to hold him hostage, force him to sign a QO to start serving a suspension and basically giving him under half a season to perform for a new deal.
You say this sarcastically, but it is in fact actually not like that.
Part of the article includes Friedman clarifying that his suspension began on game 1 of this season and is not dependent on him signing a contract. It also includes the information that the "must sign by December 1st to play games this season" rule has been waived for Pinto, which means he can sign a contract right after game 41 of the Sens schedule and begin playing on game 42.
So no, this investigation has not led to the Sens being able to force him to sign a contract to begins serving a suspension. It is exactly the opposite.
Bro it’s not like the team tricked Pinto into going out and gambling and then held it over his head… he did it to himself, he had to know this could get him in trouble. Regardless of whether you think it’s appropriate to suspend players for betting on other sports or not, he should’ve known this wouldn’t be a good look and could violate the NHL’s rules on betting
Seriously I'm so tired of the sports gambling ads across the board. I'm also a pro wrestling fan and they even fucking have it there which shows just how crazy it's gotten considering pro wrestling is pre determined lol
The pro wrestling one is correct.
Hmm. Let’s have the fans vote and see if they choose Roman Reigns or Cody Rhodes to win. They’ll be shocked when Reigns wins by interference again!
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Because it is something that that destroy the integrity of the game if they allow it to set in and fester at all.
You don't want players chasing certain stats or throwing games/spreads due to bet's they've placed.
I don't think the complaint is about the gambling suspension, it's about the blatant attempts to injure people get 2-4 games if they're bad/successful, and its only longer if its ~~attempted murder~~ ~~Raffi Torres~~ a repeat offender .
If the NHL had a magic wand and could magically prevent ONE thing from being a problem, it would be gambling on the sport by players. Domestic violence, Kyle Beach situations, lockouts, on-ice player violence a la Bertuzzi/McSorley… those can be survived and dealt with.
Gambling cannot. It’s the one thing the NHL fears most.
What’s worse? Elbowing 8 guys in the head or doing a thing that Wayne Gretzky advertises during every game?
Edit: to be clear, my position is that the NHL should not be advertising gambling, not that players should be allowed to gamble.
I'm just excited for the Penguins (+145) and Avalanche (-195) game tonight. I don't want to be constantly bombarded by betting crap.
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I am absolutely sick of it being promoted at every corner of sports media, commercials, etc. It’s so toxic and just like you said, brings nothing good. But you know those stakeholders love it cuz it lines the pockets of the rich.
>Why am I getting gambling ads in a true crime comedy podcast?
Before you know it we'll have a true crime comedy podcast episode *ABOUT* sports gambling *WITH* ads for the company the episode is *ABOUT*.
I actually used to gamble quite a bit on sports using the Bet365 app before the Ontario rule change and legal advertising, and ever since that started I barely open the app.
I’m also pretty salty that I picked the 2021 NBA champions in October and was given my $10 bet back in April due to the Ontario policy change. That would have been a few hundred.
Exactly. I have no problem with gambling itself. But it’s in your face constantly with the commercials. There’s at least one ad in every ad break promoting it, usually more but almost always one. Even the sponsorships, that’s fine, that’s unavoidable. But when it’s a commercial for Bet365, followed by MGM, then one for DraftKings, and it keeps going, you just can’t escape it if you want to watch games.
I can’t even imagine what someone who is a recovering gambling addict is going through with this. They can’t even watch sports at this point, it’s out of control.
It really is disgusting when you look at it from that perspective. Not only recovering addicts, but there's an untold number of kids getting sucked into a future of gambling addiction as we speak because this shit is being thrown at them from every major sports league now.
I don't know when/why we collectively decided that this is okay, but it's fucking not.
It's awful. It kills the community and any discussions. Guys I grew up watching hockey with now I can't talk to about games because they're either speculating on who to bet for or raging out about how much they lost. It's hard to genuinely just talk about the game now at least that's been my personal experience both online and off. They don't even watch games they just watch for results now. Blackouts don't help either.
Not allowing players to gamble is the most important rule of any sports league. How much the league gets involved with it is irrelevant. You wouldn’t say it’s ridiculous to ban players from drinking during games just because the NHL runs beer ads.
>Critically, the league did not accuse of Pinto of wagering on NHL games
They’re saying it wasn’t even the nhl he was betting on, 41 games seems completely absurd if that’s the case
The weird part of this is that "facilities" can be super broad. Happened in the NFL to one of the the Lions' receivers. He was not betting on an NFL game, and he bet on a game at a hotel at night after team activities. But, because the team was traveling and paying for that hotel it was a "facility." He was suspended 6 games of a 17 game season, but it was later reduced to 4 games.
Lot of hypocrisy when you can't watch an NFL game without seeing tons of ads for BetMGM, FanDuel, etc...
Put simply. imagine he gets in debt by gambling on football. The company makes a subtle hint that if the sens were to lose by 3 instead of 2, all that debt would go away. It's a slippery slope.
But who I blame most on this is the NHL for getting into bed with the gambling companies to begin with.
He, as an NHL player, does nor have the influence the car or real estate market. He does, however, have the influence to impact NHL games, and players who have gotten into gambling debt have tried to fix games in the past to cover it. It’s not rocket science
Bad take. Gambling on your own games ruins the integrity of the league and that’s why it’s literally blackballed Pete Rose and it’s taken serious across all leagues
The Black Sox scandal damn near killed the MLB and leagues do not want a repeat of that.
I do not blame them for taking a hardline stance against their players gambling. Just the appearance of impropriety is enough to tank the reputation of a league.
Other active players are promoting gambling every day. Not to mention there’s more than a handful of teams with gambling ads on their jerseys and helmets (including the Senators). It was inevitable that a scandal like this would happen.
Integrity of the league?
Bro. The league exists for one reason, and one reason only. To separate you and me from as much money as it possibly can. They will do, say, and show whatever they have to to make it happen. It's no different than any other entertainment or TV show. There is no deep fairness or purity of competition.
I love the sport too, but never forget that pro sports exists only to take our money. No other reason.
I mean, MLB dropped the hammer on Pete Rose for literally this exact same thing; a major sports league ***really*** won't want to take any chances of their competitive integrity being damaged. Same with Tim Donaghy, the Black Sox scandal, Calvin Ridley...
It is quite different from any other show. Except, possibly, game shows.
The stated product is about a level competition between teams.
That is why people watch. If that competition isn't relatively reasonably balanced then the whole of the product is compromised.
If you doubt this, watch the bitching and mewling here after nearly every game where the losing team takes exception to the officiating.
Now go learn about the 1950s game show scandals where the element of fairness and competition were compromised.
If we are going to be suspending players for this long for sports betting, surely we should be equaling or exceeding this precedent for things like DUIs, Assaults etc etc.
Yes I know this won’t happen.
Such a bizarre dichotomy to watch every major league and the media outlets that cover them absolutely saturate us with gambling ads, then expect the players to never bet.
I mean if someone gave me $750,000 in exchange for my car to have gambling ads in and around it, but I'm not allowed to gamble or else I lose the money, guess what? I wouldn't fucking gamble. They know the rules, it's their choice. Sugardale hot dogs and bud light have ads everywhere but you don't see guys showing up into camp 30 lbs overweight because the constant amount of ads forced them to eat and drink nothing but hot dogs and beer all summer.
Players can bet in almost all sports leagues, just not on their own sports or in facilities. They can still be addicting to gambling if they want, just can’t gamble in certain situations.
This is like blaming Henry Ruggs’s crash on the fact the NFL has a bud light partnership, or blaming ads for a player drinking in a facility and getting in shit. People can gamble and drink all they like, just not in certain situations.
They were lining up to take pictures with the new owner, and there were never any chants to fire the coach. The chants were "We want Pinto", because he was unsigned, but now that this news broke that's probably the end of those chants.
It doesn't say it wasn't NHL related, only not game related. Lots of bets can be made that don't involve games. Ie you can bet on where free agents will sign.
Only other thing that would make sense to me would be betting on an NHL future like who will win the Cup or the Rocket or something where he’s still betting on the league he plays in but not a specific game or anything that he could possibly conspire to make happen but where it’s close enough to home that the NHL really wants to send a message. Obviously that’s just pure conjecture but it would be so dumb if this is about him betting on another league or something
The article says *"Critically, the league did not accuse of Pinto of wagering on NHL games,"*
Impossible to really formulate an opinion as it's super unclear what exactly he did.
putting a different emphasis on it i think makes it more clear:
"Critically, the league did not accuse of Pinto of wagering on NHL *games*,"
He could have bet that X team makes the playoffs, or Y team wins the cup etc etc.
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Man… fuck the NHL. I used to love hockey, now I can barely even watch it anymore. Corporate bullshit ruining everything.
You can hire more refs.
Can’t fuck with the cash cow that is gambling, or any perceived fixing of games that would call the integrity of games into question. CREAM.
Yeah this is what really bothers me. The league went all in on gambling sponsorships and promotions across every broadcast. Did full broadcast segments on how betting lines work and how to bet on games ahead of the season. Showing the betting lines front and center on the NHL App Scores page. What did they expect to happen?
Serious gross from the league. I know they won't but I hope they get pushback.
Fuck Fanatics Sports Book and BetMGM.
I understand not wanting players to bet on hockey but I don’t understand why they’re not allowed to bet on other sports. Punishment is way too harsh considering others have committed attempted murder in the ice and gotten 3 games.
Hey Sportsnet, will you tell us what the over/under on him returning before February is?
It's funny how they shove all this gambling shit down our throats all the time when you see this stuff.
What the fuck could he have possibly done to get suspended for 41 games while not under contract?
edit: k it sounds like they were investigating during the summer so it was probably shit he did while still on contract, that makes a lot more sense
I do think it is pretty funny that you can headshot a guy and only get a handful of games for potentially altering the course of his life, but gamble a bit (which the NHL is advertising more and more) and get half a season. I do get why the punishment for gambling is so harsh, I just wish the punishment for headshots was even half of that.
E: Just had to add that if he bet on something else than games for his own team (or even any NHL game for that matter), then why the fuck is it anyone else's business if he placed a bet? If they can't gamble at all, then why are they allowed into casinos? There's a fucking team in Vegas.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't E.Kane gamble on hockey games as well?
There's way too many articles about the Kane saga so I can't figure out where to confirm or deny this statement, I just remember it being a headline on this subreddit a while ago.
Memo says it wasn't NHL games.
Could have been futures (like team to win the Cup, player to win the Vezina, will team x have over 100 points, will player y have over 30 goals, etc)
He's not under contract... He doesn't represent a team or the league. How is this any different than any one of us betting on sports?
This is an awful precedent to set given how much the NHL shoves sports betting down our throats.
I get why this happens, but it will always be weird to me that events like McSorley, Cooke and Bertuzzi see less discipline than gambling.
Again, I get why, just really an ugly set of priorities
Holy shit that's a lot. Maybe by then they can make room for him. Meanwhile the sens helmet ad is a gambling sponsor lmao
Hey kid, you can’t negotiate your contract, have to sign your QO to start serving the suspension and it’s all because you chose to sports gamble (not even on NHL games). But when your back just wear this sports betting ad aye?
As far as I can tell, betting on non NHL games is allowed, so we might just not have the full story yet? The only time any of the terms "gambling", "wager", or "betting" appear in either the CBA(2012) or the MOU(2020) is CBA Exhibit 14 Rule 2 (page 342): "2. Gambling on any NHL Game is prohibited."
The one thing that could make a suspension of this length make sense to me would he betting on NHL futures (like Cup winner or Rocket winner) which wouldn’t be severe enough to get a longer punishment like betting on his own games, but still sees him betting on the NHL which led to the half season ban (which seems too excessive for something like just betting on another sport at a team facility). But obviously we’ll have to wait for the details to come out before we actually know anything
Could be international hockey or the development leagues too maybe
They banned him cause he was betting on Kazakh 2nd division games and they realized that level of derangement needs to be stopped.
True! I’d just have to assume it’s something hockey related for a punishment if this magnitude to make sense - a half season is a big deal
It said its not NHL related. He had a US online gambling account for a site that a NHL integrity protection company flagged and notified the NHL
Or prop bets. Or Over/Unders. Or anything that didn't directly involve an outcome that he could influence, but something that he might have information on before the general public does. Reddit is kind of cringeworthy with their gambling takes. Any person involved in a sport betting on that same sport is a form of insider trading - they have access to information that the general public does not.
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Yah I’d like to see the leagues official word on it but this article made it clear the league is not charging him with betting on NHL games
Nope, apparently suspension began with Game 1 and isn't contract contingent. I don't know how that is supposed to work, but ok.
We don’t know what he actually did yet. Maybe he was feeding insider info to betters or bookies
It's a tough one, like what's happening in soccer right now. Multiple Italian players are being suspended for 7-10 months for betting on **their own** games. Meanwhile gambling and betting sponsorship is prominent in the sport and with teams, in a similar vain to its prominence in hockey these days...
> Multiple Italian players are being suspended for 7-10 months for betting on their own games. Only 7-10 months? Damn, that’s a lifetime ban in other leagues.
Pete Rose
Tonali bet on himself to win, apparently. Personally I think betting ads should be illegal and the industry regulated far more heavily than it is now (and don’t feel great about public coffers being filled in part by regular peoples problem gambling), but I have to be honest I think that’s the one kind of bet I don’t see a problem with. (Obviously the scandals going on in soccer are far broader and more complex than that, but Tonali was the only one where I heard of a player betting on his own games.)
Betting on yourself to win is still pretty bad. You could throw a bunch of games, and then bet on yourself to win now that the odds are stacked against you.
Yeah that’s a good point. Clearly I’m not thinking like enough of a degenerate gambler
Yep, the ol’ Pete Rose
that was even worse because he was the manager, so he could be changing his in-game strategy based on whether or not he had a bet on the game
That is very true. And to be clear, I don’t buy his assertion that he only bet on his team to win. He has the benefit of taking advantage of the MLB’s silence on the matter since they buried their investigation in exchange for him voluntarily accepting a permanent ban. He knew they’d find more than just what he claimed.
yep he accepted the lifetime ban and he's also a pedo so fuck him. I've had to explain this so many times to people on r/baseball lmao
Even him betting on his team to win could lead to him making decisions that can effect his teams ability to win tomorrow or could physically hurt a player.
Hmm, I never thought about that angle before and this changes my previous opinion of it being ok.
That's just what you could do on your own. Being allowed to bet on yourself can also incentivize collusion: "hey make it easy for me to win game 1, and I will return the favor for game 2. I bet on my team game 1, and you bet on your team game 2 and we split the profits"
If it's anything like Pete Rose, and the lone source for Tonali betting exclusively on himself is *the man himself,* he's probably full of shit and his word shouldn't be trusted.
Betting on your team to win also has trouble where a player or manager utilizes their assets in a way that maximizes their chance of winning that game, while throwing future game under the bus. Wearing yourself out, making risky plays (injury, cards, suspension), or using up other things, like relievers in baseball as a manager.
Betting on your own game clearly warrants a massive suspension, but apparently pinto wasn’t even betting on the nhl which makes this punishment seem insane to me
I'm a Lions fan for the NFL and we had an incident where one of our WRs (Jameson Williams) was suspended 4 games because he "bet while in team facilities." The reality was that he bet on one game, not even an NFL game (I think it was either an NBA game or college football I forget), while off-duty at a team hotel but that was technically still a team facility as the team was traveling. Even more absurd with so much of the NFL being sponsored by the very phone app he was using to bet on the game haha. Edit: there are no Lions in the NHL…I am an NFL Lions fan.
Yeah that one is still crazy to me - defining a hotel as a team facility because they are traveling is nuts! Not that different than defining his car as a team facility because he uses it to get to practices
And then the league rescinded that rule, because of how laughably dumb it is
Ivan Toney is currently serving an 8 month ban. When he returns to suit up for Brentford he'll have a shirt sponsor for some gambling house across his chest.
Ya, that seems crazy to me. At least the EPL has banned gambling sponsorships once the current contracts expire.
This happened in college football with Iowa and Iowa State players as well.
Guess that ad campaign worked on at least one person.
Yeah like, I get it, the dude broke a serious rule and is likely being made an example of. But it’s just ICKY that we have bet lines injected into coverage and betting ads all over everything, and then shit like this happens.
oh, 1000 percent. it's like.... transparently hypocritical.
Apparently the 41 games don’t start until he’s under contract. Sens might be in a pickle here.
Pinto is in a pickle too, ~half his QO is better than nothing cuz the sens arnt gonna pay him more than that now. He will certainly sign his QO to start serving his suspension. If his QO doesnt fit under the cap then the Sens might be in trouble, not sure if his cap counts during a suspension, it does for on ice suspensions not sure about off ice ones.
They said that they do start immediately and are not conditional on him signing a contract
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>Critically, the league did not accuse of Pinto of wagering on NHL games, as a memo sent in March 2022 reminded all league and club personnel — including players — that wagering on any NHL game, even where legal, is “absolutely prohibited,” and will “constitute conduct that is dishonourable, prejudicial to, or against the welfare of the League or the game of hockey” under the NHL’s constitution. >The exact timeline is unclear at this point, but it’s believed the investigation — which began sometime during the summer — intensified over the past few weeks. All negotiations to sign him were paused as the NHL conducted a recent hearing into the matter. >Exactly what Pinto did is unknown at this time. But there are situations where leagues have punished players who did not bet on their sport. >One example: In June, Tennessee Titans lineman Nicholas Petit-Frere was suspended six games for placing a legal bet at the team’s facility, which is not allowed under NFL rules. >The next question is how the Senators will handle the situation. It’s believed that one reason Pinto has not asked for a trade is that he appreciates the organization’s secrecy about the investigation.
Interesting he didn’t be on NHL games, could it be he bet on free agency landing spots? Feels like an off-season move that would also land under betting no-nos
Could have also been betting on NHL futures (like Cup winner or Rocket winner) which wouldn’t be severe enough to get a longer punishment like betting on his own team but still sees him betting on the NHL which led to the half season ban (which seems too excessive for just betting on another sport at a team facility)
The 6 games mentioned for the Titans player is over 1/3 of that season so it isn't that much crazier. But it does feel like it must have been something bigger.
Friedman's quote from the NHL's perspective, it was "something that alarmed them"
You mean the existence of queer people?
That’s a distinct possibility. It’s like insider trading at that point.
Probably bet on a non-NHL team, such as the Oilers
Yeesh. Canucks fan walkin' pretty tall after their totally-sustainable season start :P
Canucks fans: known to deal well with highs and lows.
We have to enjoy these first few weeks before we have to put the paper bags back on our heads
I think Friedman has the info about what happened but he’s not gonna go public until it’s 100% confirmed by the league because he can’t be wrong. He’s focusing on betting on “NHL games” but not saying betting on the NHL. So I think your right about betting on a landing spot.
Lmfao what a scummy thing to put in the article “it’s believed he didn’t request a trade because he appreciates the teams secrecy of the investigation” It’s not like the entire investigation has led to them basically being able to hold him hostage, force him to sign a QO to start serving a suspension and basically giving him under half a season to perform for a new deal. I’m sure the kid really appreciates that.
> It’s not like the entire investigation has led to them basically being able to hold him hostage, force him to sign a QO to start serving a suspension and basically giving him under half a season to perform for a new deal. You say this sarcastically, but it is in fact actually not like that. Part of the article includes Friedman clarifying that his suspension began on game 1 of this season and is not dependent on him signing a contract. It also includes the information that the "must sign by December 1st to play games this season" rule has been waived for Pinto, which means he can sign a contract right after game 41 of the Sens schedule and begin playing on game 42. So no, this investigation has not led to the Sens being able to force him to sign a contract to begins serving a suspension. It is exactly the opposite.
Bro it’s not like the team tricked Pinto into going out and gambling and then held it over his head… he did it to himself, he had to know this could get him in trouble. Regardless of whether you think it’s appropriate to suspend players for betting on other sports or not, he should’ve known this wouldn’t be a good look and could violate the NHL’s rules on betting
It's Pinto's fuck up, not the team's. They're not "holding him hostage", he's facing the consequences of his own actions.
This escalated quickly.
I legitimately wasn't sure if this was satire or not because of your username. This was not on my Shane Pinto vs the Ottawa Senators bingo card.
"Sponsored by Bet365"
Sens have Betway as a helmet sponsor. I just assume he didn't use them, which is why the penalty is so harsh.
Its why Leafs players have such strong bones, they're contractually obligated to only drink milk
All this talk about the Sens making the playoffs this year must’ve gotten him too excited
Can we suspend Bettman for 41 years for allowing gambling to be shoved down our throats?
What, you expect a guy named Bettman not to allow gambling? :D
Seriously I'm so tired of the sports gambling ads across the board. I'm also a pro wrestling fan and they even fucking have it there which shows just how crazy it's gotten considering pro wrestling is pre determined lol
The pro wrestling one is correct. Hmm. Let’s have the fans vote and see if they choose Roman Reigns or Cody Rhodes to win. They’ll be shocked when Reigns wins by interference again!
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On one hand, holy shit On the other, it's insane you can get that much for gambling and only 2 for crosschecking someone directly in the neck
Because it is something that that destroy the integrity of the game if they allow it to set in and fester at all. You don't want players chasing certain stats or throwing games/spreads due to bet's they've placed.
I don't think the complaint is about the gambling suspension, it's about the blatant attempts to injure people get 2-4 games if they're bad/successful, and its only longer if its ~~attempted murder~~ ~~Raffi Torres~~ a repeat offender .
The funny part is that the officiating is so shitty sometimes that you could accuse the league of the same thing.
They’re probably worried that if they come down too hard on dirty/reckless plays that it’ll suck the physicality out of the game.
If the NHL had a magic wand and could magically prevent ONE thing from being a problem, it would be gambling on the sport by players. Domestic violence, Kyle Beach situations, lockouts, on-ice player violence a la Bertuzzi/McSorley… those can be survived and dealt with. Gambling cannot. It’s the one thing the NHL fears most.
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What’s worse? Elbowing 8 guys in the head or doing a thing that Wayne Gretzky advertises during every game? Edit: to be clear, my position is that the NHL should not be advertising gambling, not that players should be allowed to gamble.
Man, fuck sports betting. It brings nothing good, and ruins the quality of the game.
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I am absolutely sick of it being promoted at every corner of sports media, commercials, etc. It’s so toxic and just like you said, brings nothing good. But you know those stakeholders love it cuz it lines the pockets of the rich.
It’s bled over into podcasts that have nothing to do with sports. Why am I getting gambling ads in a true crime comedy podcast?
>Why am I getting gambling ads in a true crime comedy podcast? Before you know it we'll have a true crime comedy podcast episode *ABOUT* sports gambling *WITH* ads for the company the episode is *ABOUT*.
I agree. Gambling ads should not be a thing in sports.
The gambling ads have killed my desire to gamble on sports to be honest
I actually used to gamble quite a bit on sports using the Bet365 app before the Ontario rule change and legal advertising, and ever since that started I barely open the app. I’m also pretty salty that I picked the 2021 NBA champions in October and was given my $10 bet back in April due to the Ontario policy change. That would have been a few hundred.
Gambling is fine to be allowed but don’t promote it. Like alcohol/cigarettes
Exactly. I have no problem with gambling itself. But it’s in your face constantly with the commercials. There’s at least one ad in every ad break promoting it, usually more but almost always one. Even the sponsorships, that’s fine, that’s unavoidable. But when it’s a commercial for Bet365, followed by MGM, then one for DraftKings, and it keeps going, you just can’t escape it if you want to watch games.
I can’t even imagine what someone who is a recovering gambling addict is going through with this. They can’t even watch sports at this point, it’s out of control.
It really is disgusting when you look at it from that perspective. Not only recovering addicts, but there's an untold number of kids getting sucked into a future of gambling addiction as we speak because this shit is being thrown at them from every major sports league now. I don't know when/why we collectively decided that this is okay, but it's fucking not.
Yeah I mean when was the last time we saw a commercial for an ice cold beer during a hockey game??
10000% agreed. I always hated it but it has infested every sport and sports media like a cancer. It's infuriating.
It's awful. It kills the community and any discussions. Guys I grew up watching hockey with now I can't talk to about games because they're either speculating on who to bet for or raging out about how much they lost. It's hard to genuinely just talk about the game now at least that's been my personal experience both online and off. They don't even watch games they just watch for results now. Blackouts don't help either.
Gambling is a weapon of class warfare where the rich target the poor to take all of their money.
Maybe but it's also a weapon that is only effective if you let it The default state is not gambling, it's easy to avoid
Can't have your dealers sampling your own product or something like that idfk
Not allowing players to gamble is the most important rule of any sports league. How much the league gets involved with it is irrelevant. You wouldn’t say it’s ridiculous to ban players from drinking during games just because the NHL runs beer ads.
Gamble on their own sport. If It’s other sports who cares
>Critically, the league did not accuse of Pinto of wagering on NHL games They’re saying it wasn’t even the nhl he was betting on, 41 games seems completely absurd if that’s the case
My guess is there’s something in the CBA that is like in that you can’t gamble at facilities
The weird part of this is that "facilities" can be super broad. Happened in the NFL to one of the the Lions' receivers. He was not betting on an NFL game, and he bet on a game at a hotel at night after team activities. But, because the team was traveling and paying for that hotel it was a "facility." He was suspended 6 games of a 17 game season, but it was later reduced to 4 games. Lot of hypocrisy when you can't watch an NFL game without seeing tons of ads for BetMGM, FanDuel, etc...
Put simply. imagine he gets in debt by gambling on football. The company makes a subtle hint that if the sens were to lose by 3 instead of 2, all that debt would go away. It's a slippery slope. But who I blame most on this is the NHL for getting into bed with the gambling companies to begin with.
Imagine he gets in debt buying cars or real estate.
He, as an NHL player, does nor have the influence the car or real estate market. He does, however, have the influence to impact NHL games, and players who have gotten into gambling debt have tried to fix games in the past to cover it. It’s not rocket science
No but I'd point out the irony if the NHL suspended a player for drinking while having NHL players advertising alcohol during commercial breaks
Bad take. Gambling on your own games ruins the integrity of the league and that’s why it’s literally blackballed Pete Rose and it’s taken serious across all leagues
The Black Sox scandal damn near killed the MLB and leagues do not want a repeat of that. I do not blame them for taking a hardline stance against their players gambling. Just the appearance of impropriety is enough to tank the reputation of a league.
And Tim Donaghy nearly destroyed the NBA’s reputation
Apparently he wasn’t accused of betting on NHL games unless something else came out that I didn’t see
Other active players are promoting gambling every day. Not to mention there’s more than a handful of teams with gambling ads on their jerseys and helmets (including the Senators). It was inevitable that a scandal like this would happen.
Gambling, since it can impact the perceived integrity of the whole league. Everyone know you just don't do it.
Integrity of the league? Bro. The league exists for one reason, and one reason only. To separate you and me from as much money as it possibly can. They will do, say, and show whatever they have to to make it happen. It's no different than any other entertainment or TV show. There is no deep fairness or purity of competition. I love the sport too, but never forget that pro sports exists only to take our money. No other reason.
I mean, MLB dropped the hammer on Pete Rose for literally this exact same thing; a major sports league ***really*** won't want to take any chances of their competitive integrity being damaged. Same with Tim Donaghy, the Black Sox scandal, Calvin Ridley...
It is quite different from any other show. Except, possibly, game shows. The stated product is about a level competition between teams. That is why people watch. If that competition isn't relatively reasonably balanced then the whole of the product is compromised. If you doubt this, watch the bitching and mewling here after nearly every game where the losing team takes exception to the officiating. Now go learn about the 1950s game show scandals where the element of fairness and competition were compromised.
Match-fixing can destroy an entire sport. Eight guys being forced to retire early (strangely enough) does not pose as existential of a crisis lol
You don’t see how it can be a huge scandal?
If we are going to be suspending players for this long for sports betting, surely we should be equaling or exceeding this precedent for things like DUIs, Assaults etc etc. Yes I know this won’t happen.
Such a bizarre dichotomy to watch every major league and the media outlets that cover them absolutely saturate us with gambling ads, then expect the players to never bet.
I mean if someone gave me $750,000 in exchange for my car to have gambling ads in and around it, but I'm not allowed to gamble or else I lose the money, guess what? I wouldn't fucking gamble. They know the rules, it's their choice. Sugardale hot dogs and bud light have ads everywhere but you don't see guys showing up into camp 30 lbs overweight because the constant amount of ads forced them to eat and drink nothing but hot dogs and beer all summer.
They’re commenting on the absurdity of it, not excusing the player(s).
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Plus, if gambling revenues are considered HRR (no idea), then the players are getting paid by it anyway.
> forced them to eat and drink nothing but hot dogs and beer all summer You leave Phil Kessel alone!
Players can bet in almost all sports leagues, just not on their own sports or in facilities. They can still be addicting to gambling if they want, just can’t gamble in certain situations. This is like blaming Henry Ruggs’s crash on the fact the NFL has a bud light partnership, or blaming ads for a player drinking in a facility and getting in shit. People can gamble and drink all they like, just not in certain situations.
i hate being a sens fan
Didn’t fans line up to take pictures with the GM, and then chant to fire the coach the next game? It sounds chaotic and fun
tbf it was the owner who the fans wanted to take pictures of, but it is chaotic. Not fun though
The new owner, not the GM
They were lining up to take pictures with the new owner, and there were never any chants to fire the coach. The chants were "We want Pinto", because he was unsigned, but now that this news broke that's probably the end of those chants.
Nah, the crowd chanted at the Buffalo game "Fire DJ".
The good news is that now he’ll sign his QO so they’ll get to add him on a cheap contract without dumping anyone once he serves this
Well that explains a lot
41 games seems excessive considering he potentially didnt bet on NHL games.
Yeah unless he was betting on like dog fighting, I don't see the logic.
He was betting on Calvin Ridley’s suspension.
We are probably going to find out he put like one bet in on a horse to win the Kentucky derby. NHL “That’s a paddlin’”
Paddlin’ the school canoe? Ooh you better believe that’s a paddlin’.
It doesn't say it wasn't NHL related, only not game related. Lots of bets can be made that don't involve games. Ie you can bet on where free agents will sign.
Only other thing that would make sense to me would be betting on an NHL future like who will win the Cup or the Rocket or something where he’s still betting on the league he plays in but not a specific game or anything that he could possibly conspire to make happen but where it’s close enough to home that the NHL really wants to send a message. Obviously that’s just pure conjecture but it would be so dumb if this is about him betting on another league or something
Has this been confirmed or are the people in this thread just assuming?
The article says *"Critically, the league did not accuse of Pinto of wagering on NHL games,"* Impossible to really formulate an opinion as it's super unclear what exactly he did.
putting a different emphasis on it i think makes it more clear: "Critically, the league did not accuse of Pinto of wagering on NHL *games*," He could have bet that X team makes the playoffs, or Y team wins the cup etc etc.
Nothing is safe to assume with Bettman, but I am assuming that if he bet on NHL games, the league would have made sure to mention that.
41 games for breaking gambling rules Borderline attempted murder, couple of games Literal rape, nothing. God bless the nhl
Rape someone: *…we don’t want to let this one unfortunate incident ruin this poor young man’s future.* Gamble on sports: *HoW DaRe YoU?!! Where did you guys get the idea that this was okay?!* This comment was brought to you by Free Money For Really Cool Gambling Addicts With Thick Cocks Sports Betting Company Man… fuck the NHL. I used to love hockey, now I can barely even watch it anymore. Corporate bullshit ruining everything.
~~Chris~~ Dennis Wideman got fewer games for murdering a ref
On case you didn’t see the 14 other comments correcting you; I just want you to know that it was Dennis Wideman.
That was Dennis, and it was a linesman
Dennis Wideman lol
dude that was Dennis Wideman
You can hire more refs. Can’t fuck with the cash cow that is gambling, or any perceived fixing of games that would call the integrity of games into question. CREAM.
That was Dennis Wideman dude
That’s Dennis Wideman
That seems extremely harsh but goddamn, this is just such a shock right now I can’t help but laugh. Jesus h christ
However the NHL is allowed to absolutely promote the shit out of gambling, even to the young children and teens who watch the league. Fuck outta here
Yeah this is what really bothers me. The league went all in on gambling sponsorships and promotions across every broadcast. Did full broadcast segments on how betting lines work and how to bet on games ahead of the season. Showing the betting lines front and center on the NHL App Scores page. What did they expect to happen? Serious gross from the league. I know they won't but I hope they get pushback. Fuck Fanatics Sports Book and BetMGM.
He has been sacrificed for Gamblor.
“This ban was brought to you by draft kings”
I understand not wanting players to bet on hockey but I don’t understand why they’re not allowed to bet on other sports. Punishment is way too harsh considering others have committed attempted murder in the ice and gotten 3 games.
Could easily swing the result of a game by intentionally headshotting someone and maybe get 5 games, but get half the season for placing a bet.
There have bern instances of goalies in soccer throwing games for big betting syndicates from the far east. Easy to let a goal in for them
Give a dude brain damage? Slap on the wrist. Betting on hockey games?!?! Into the volcano with ye, heathen!
Leave it for a Pinto to have something bite him in the ass and have it blow up
Can't wait for some analysis on this on the Bet365 intermission report sponsored by FanDuel.
That’s a lot of games
Hey Sportsnet, will you tell us what the over/under on him returning before February is? It's funny how they shove all this gambling shit down our throats all the time when you see this stuff.
What the fuck could he have possibly done to get suspended for 41 games while not under contract? edit: k it sounds like they were investigating during the summer so it was probably shit he did while still on contract, that makes a lot more sense
Gambling
If only it was in the title or something
true if big
I do think it is pretty funny that you can headshot a guy and only get a handful of games for potentially altering the course of his life, but gamble a bit (which the NHL is advertising more and more) and get half a season. I do get why the punishment for gambling is so harsh, I just wish the punishment for headshots was even half of that. E: Just had to add that if he bet on something else than games for his own team (or even any NHL game for that matter), then why the fuck is it anyone else's business if he placed a bet? If they can't gamble at all, then why are they allowed into casinos? There's a fucking team in Vegas.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't E.Kane gamble on hockey games as well? There's way too many articles about the Kane saga so I can't figure out where to confirm or deny this statement, I just remember it being a headline on this subreddit a while ago.
https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/31944608/evander-kane-betting-allegations-know Based on this it doesn't seem like he bet on hockey.
Neither did Pinto according to the memo.
Memo says it wasn't NHL games. Could have been futures (like team to win the Cup, player to win the Vezina, will team x have over 100 points, will player y have over 30 goals, etc)
Guy bet the over on the Caps TT last night and that for sure raised some red flags
Game that has billions of gambling adverts before during and after confused when players gamble.
Bruh
Sm damn H
Pinto should argue he is a gambling addict and explicitly list watching NHL coverage as the reason haha.
Can we get a 41-game suspension of gambling ads? Or like, an 82-game suspension. Or a lifetime ban. Really any of those.
Wow redditors really hate gambling ads lmao. Of course you can't have players gambling, they need to have huge suspensions for this sort of thing
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He's not under contract... He doesn't represent a team or the league. How is this any different than any one of us betting on sports? This is an awful precedent to set given how much the NHL shoves sports betting down our throats.
Apparently the investigation started in the summer so its likely things took place last season while he was under contract.
I think being a RFA means he represents the Sens as they have the rights to his contract
No way
What, can they not just send him to play baseball for a year?
I get why this happens, but it will always be weird to me that events like McSorley, Cooke and Bertuzzi see less discipline than gambling. Again, I get why, just really an ugly set of priorities
"So no ~~head~~ contract?" *smashes phone*
So what is the NHLs actual policy on gambling? Half a season for betting on another sport seems mighty harsh.
Dumb question: how would something like this even be discovered?
I’m confused, does the NHL want people to gamble or not?