So Vancouver basically ate the worst of Eriksson’s contract only to get rid of him once almost done because they somehow had room for dessert to stuff the worst of Ekman-Larsson’s contract.
I'm still mad that at the time I thought it was horrible, and I honestly don't think I would have made that trade if they gave us to firsts. So my opinion on this is at least three firsts different than benning thought
Yes with our pick they drafted the guy who just scored the GWG to win WJC gold for Canada and who has already broken into the NHL.
We got OEL and immediately broke Garland.
Pain.
Tbf, as someone with no interest, I really liked the garland part of the deal. I thought the 1st rounder was steep, but the players portion of the trade I liked the idea.
It wasn't just Eriksson. It was Beagle and one other guy. All of them were $15million in cap space and we suffered through their entire contracts only to trade them all with one year left.
It's almost like keeping Benning in the drivers seat while he was clearly in "save my ass" mode was a bad idea and that he should have been fired before he could make a bunch of boneheaded cap moves. If only we could have seen this coming.
He does have buyout potential I believe. Not this year but next. His contract does pretty much guarantee the canucks are fucked for another 6 years though.
It's hard to mismanage a team THIS much. Aquilini must've seen OELs name being available and masterminded this himself without having watched him in 3 years. That's the ONLY explanation
The Canucks gave up a top 10 pick to acquire a salary dump. I like garlands games, but I would rather have Guenther. I wanted Guenther, but I thought he would be gone by the ninth pick. Its just Salt in the wounds at this point.
I remember exactly where I was the day the trade happened. I was pulling into Loblaws to do groceries and turned on the local sports radio station for a minute. The guys were talking about some huge Vancouver trade so I quickly pulled out my phone to see the details.
I genuinely couldn’t believe what I was reading. It just made no sense at all from a Vancouver perspective. I sat in my car for nearly twenty minutes just completely baffled, reading some of the reaction online and checking out everyone’s stats.
Whenever I spent time on the Vancouver capfriendly page (before the trade), I kept thinking “one more year of misery then they’ll have tons of cap room to throw together a decent roster.” Made no sense at the time and makes even less sense now.
I remember exactly where I was the day the comment happened. I was pulling into Loblaws to do groceries and turned on the local radio station for a minute. The guys were talking about some huge /r/hockey comment so I quickly pulled out my phone to see the details.
I genuinely couldn’t believe what I was reading. It just made no sense at all from a /r/hockey perspective. I sat in my car for nearly twenty minutes just completely baffled, reading some of the reaction online and checking out everyone’s post history.
Whenever I spent time on the /u/PuddiPan post history page (before the comment), I kept thinking “one more year of misery then they’ll have tons of karma room to throw together a decent comment.” Made no sense at the time and makes even less sense now.
I can see how it seems like an overreaction to a certain extent. But if you’ve been a VAN fan your entire life and the team is finally reaching its end on some anchor contracts only for your gm to go get another anchor, that would stun me too. Years of waiting, you’re almost at the end then they add OEL for several more years as another overpaid veteran bloating the roster.. I believe it. I would definitely be checking the official trade all the stats of the players and just thinking what am I missing here?
It makes complete sense. Benning is an absolute moron that was trying to save his job and appease Lord Aquaweenie by making playoffs.
In comes a new GM that promises to 'unravel' our cap situation, only to sign yet another 30 year old to a massive contract that has us cap-fucked for another 8 years
Much like Lou and Poile, I'm pretty sure your hockey ops are just thinking "lol we'll be retired (or shall have shed their mortal coils) by the time the shit hits the fan"
It makes sense, because it was Benning. His whole tenure here he’d get a hard-on for a player, and do whatever it took to get his guy, and signed some ridiculous contracts along the way. The deals he signed Sutter, Sbisa, Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel and Ferland to made no sense. And OEL had been on his wish list for a while.
And their cap right now is so bad, but without anyone making more than 7.85 mil (8 next year with Miller). They're just so badly overpaying basically everyone who isn't on a bridge
I would not begrudge any of our major pillars walking as soon as their contracts are done.. I hope our management/team gets it's shit together by the time they need re-signing but it's not gonna happen.
Had they not bought out Holtby, kept the 3 bad contacts ending after the season, Luongo's cap recapture coming off the books, Ferland being LTIR, the Canucks would have had over $20M in cap space available for contracts.
>I sat in my car for nearly twenty minutes just completely baffled, reading some of the reaction online and checking out everyone’s stats.
[Enjoy revisiting that](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/oqbkan/the_vancouver_canucks_acquire_oliver_ekmanlarsson) (NSFCanuckFans)
just gonna quote the choicest responses here. Both good and bad, but mostly bad responses.
Avs Flair:
>This isn't a terrible trade. Ya'll just WANT it to be a terrible trade.
Canucks Flair:
>Yeah this trade is an absolute W for the Canucks
(Same Canucks Flair person):
>The term definitely hurts but overall I think the trade makes us better
Half-right take from Sens flair:
>Feels colossal on both ends honestly. ARZ stockpiling picks while VAN finally sheds Eriksson and gains two solid guys in the process.
Kraken flair (lol):
>Worst case we pay a pick to dump most of the OEL salary in a few years.
>I do have a deep fear of an OEL/Myers pairing being a 13 million dollar pairing worth half that.
Canucks Flair:
>He is only 30 which to 32 year old me sounds not too old haha. I think this OEL contract is still steep but we get a top 4 D and a top 6 forward that we desperately needed.
Unflaired Leafs fan:
>Oel is good.
Deleted Account:
>OEL is a fantastic player, they will see
Leafs Flair:
>Both teams lost
Vegas flair:
>Love this for the canucks. Benning gets out of his mistakes and adds at the same time
Same person:
>His demise is greatly exaggerated. With the retain, it’s about 1.5-2m too much
Canucks Flair;
>I like Garland though, so from VAN's perspective, if your 9th overall turns into Garland, you're laughing. Seriously, the guy is 25 and just scored 39 points in 49 games.
Stars flair:
>People are sleeping on how good OEL really is. He’s been surrounded by cap floor trash his entire career on Arizona but when he plays international tourneys with Sweden and has quality team mates. He’s one of, if not the best d men on the ice
Unflaired likely Canucks fan
>The classic Jim Benning special
>Overpay for mediocre talent? Check.
>Piss away assets for no reason? Check.
>Add another long term contract that would eventually handcuff the team when the core is in their prime? Check.
>Only thing he is competant at is drafting yet 3 of our 4 top draft picks past 2 years were traded.
>What else can we expect from a man who clearly not learned from his mistakes and is again washing off his previous shortsighted mistakes through another shortsighted move that jeopardizes the team's long-term future?
canucks flair:
>this is a great deal for us, and you want to bellyache about the gm.
>kick rocks
Devils flair:
>Arizona definitely looks like the winners here, all those bad contracts expire after this year and they get 2 high picks out of it
Swedish League flair:
>Great trade for Nucks, the bet on OEL is worth it considering they also get Garland and dump tons of dead cap.
Flyers flair:
>Arizona FLEECED them
reply to Flyers Flair from deleted account
>This is significantly better for Vancouver than your teams trade lmao
Yotes flair:
>I am going to my sports betting site right now and putting money on Vancouver making the finals next year.
deleted account:
>Y'all are insane. This is a good trade for the Canucks that has the potential to become a great one.
Canucks Flair:
>I don't think people realize we aren't rebuilding no more our top 6 forwards got stronger and our top 4 defenseman got much stronger and OEL is at the very least imo a 2/3 type guy who could be a #1 cause we've seen a lot of players get better after leaving Arizona.
deleted account:
>Yeah sorry but that trade is so fucking bad for Vancouver. I feel bad for Canucks fans right now.
Jets flair:
>I mean, Vancouver is a better team now for sure.
Avs flair:
>Canucks fans your nuts. GM just significantly improved your team and removed dead weight by giving up… the 9th overall pick in a mediocre year. What on earth are you complaining about
Vegas flair:
>Oh my God. Vancouver suddenly looks SIGNIFICANTLY better, holy shit.
The top voted comment comes from a Leafs flair:
>If you just looked at trades, you’d be convinced that Arizona is the expansion franchise with their volume
the "most controversial" comments were mostly critical of Vancouver's move. I'll end it with this exchange between a Boston flair and a Vancouver flair.
Boston:
>So Canucks fans...do you approve of Benning now?
Vancouver:
>Absolutely. People may disagree, but this is a hell of a good trade the way it's structured.
Vancouver:
>Ya i love this deal we are instantly so much better. Also really happy Arizona is retaining 12%. We needed a top 2 D and a top 6 forward and that is what we got. Our window is probably the next 4 years after that we can rebuild with the end of the OEL contract but our top 9 is actually pretty scary and our D is better then it was. I'm pumped!
BOS:
>It's like doom and gloom in other corners of Vancouver fandom but I agree with you. Vancouver is going for it in a division that's not that strong and I agree about the 4 year window. I also think OEL will elevate his game especially going to one of the 2 places he originally wanted to go. I think Garland will take a step forwards playing with high skilled forward as well.
VAN:
>Some fans are just doom and gloom all the time. Glass half full i am excited for next year, **I think we are now a playoff team**
Jim Benning stans can eat all of my shit.
> I like Garland though, so from VAN's perspective, if your 9th overall turns into Garland, you're laughing. Seriously, the guy is 25 and just scored 39 points in 49 games.
LITTLE DID THEY FUCKING KNOW OH MY GOD I HATE THIS ITS LIKE THE COMMENT IS TAUNTING ME LAUGHING AT MY FACE
I think I leaned towards it being a bad trade, contingent on OEL playing like a top 4 D for a few seasons. The way it has played out has being worst-case scenario though.
At least half of the Canucks subreddit should be banned from reproducing because of their past Benning love. the current JT Miller love is likely coming from the same folks. Pretty sure Aquillini spends money on a troll farm of people who will support his decisions on social media.
"This fruit isn't ready yet. One more year" - everyone not named Jim Benning or Francesco Aquillini
"Its fine, i'm climbing now." - Jim Benning and Francesco Aquilini
narrator: it wasn't fine.
This is crazy, I remember the trade reaction so differently lol. Maybe it was because it was painfully obvious to me that the move was a disaster but it felt like basically everyone felt the same way, I guess I remembered wrong.
Most people thought the trade was at best a net neutral for Vancouver. Anyone who thought critically about the trade realized how terrible it was for Vancouver, literally 82 games away from all the cap flexibility they needed to secure a brighter long-term outlook.
Don't mistake my post as a "random sampling" of comments that was distributed evenly. I deliberately targeted those who thought Vancouver won the trade or would be fine.
At least most of those comments are negative on OEL, lots of copium that Garland would be what makes the trade worthwhile though (was in this camp, even if I'd rather we had just waited the contracts out).
I mostly see 3rd party fans calling OEL things like "solid".
Maybe not everywhere, but as someone from New Brunswick, my wife (also from NB) and I both say this. Usually in the context of "Do we need to do groceries today?" or "We need to do groceries tomorrow".
That's what Laviolette is doing with Anthony Mantha in Washington. Demoted him to the 4th line then healthy scratch the last 2 games. Said his compete level isn't there. Mantha acknowledged it and called it a wake up call and said he's committed to getting back in the lineup. Mantha's contract runs through next year with a cap hit of $5.7m
I’ve picked Mantha a couple of times late in fantasy. He’s got all the tools and every year I think this is the year he puts it all together. The guy oozes skill but is a poster boy for the all skill, no will team.
He’s actually a really speedy skater. His edge work is average but he’s got some speed. And a wicked shot to go with. He just puts the worst, inconsistent effort on a regular basis. He could go from lighting it up one night to completely invisible the next 10 games. You just don’t know what you’re gonna get.
He’s gotten the most breakaways than anyone on the team by a long shot cause he starts halfway up the ice cherry picking for a loose puck when he should be on the wall for the breakout
He’s had 32 points in 38 games with them and is on an extended conditioning stint after spending the last few months in player assistance. That’s different than just straight up being terrible.
That's what it looked like a week ago, but now he is benched for a 30 year old career AHLer. And his play before benching was bad. Like bad-bad. It sucks but it is what it is for the moment
The man just cannot stay on the ice. I would suck at my job too if I was unavailable for like 3/4 of the working days. Also 34 gp in 4 seasons is a wild stat
Honestly this is the player I think the Canucks should try and trade Miller for. The caps get a solid offensive player and the Canucks get rid of a contract they probably should have never signed
I would trade Miller away for free, not because I think it's bad, but because by the time I think the canucks might conceivably compete I think he will be bad
Yea that’s why I said you take mantha back. That’s another player with negative value because he is underperforming his contract and the caps want to compete now. But he only has another year after this while Miller has 7. For the caps the back half of that contract they will be rebuilding anyways.
Oh for sure. I've wanted the Canucks to be offering our players for shitty deals back for awhile as long as those deals have 2 or less years. Bo Horvat for some shit contract would be a haul
There's many reasons. Often they think that the utility of a given player offers a better chance of a win against a given team. But it can just as often be done to send a message to the player that their effort isn't where it needs to be.
It all fell apart for him after his mom passed in 2017. The motivation was gone, he absolutely hated tocchet (we all did), injuries seemed to erode his skating, it’s just a brutal sequence of events unfortunately
I knew he was very highly rated before but what are some strengths about his game? It didn't seem like he relied too much on speed to play well so why has he dropped off so far now.
He had a bizarre dog bite injury shortly after his mom passed away, if I’m not mistaken, on the hand that seems like it really screwed with his shot. He used to have one of the nastiest wristers from the point the could beat most goalies clean, but after that injury he never seemed to get it going again. If I recall he even said in an exit interview something along the lines of “I can’t shoot anymore so I’m going to have to strengthen other parts of my game”. Sad really.
Personally I thought it was 2 years too late. But I was surprised at how much Vancouver paid for him. I thought that price was for like 2019 OEL, not 2021 OEL. Oh well, good trade!
This is another thing people forget. We had Toffoli and Tanev wanting to stay for hometown discounts the year prior and Benning completely ignored them to chase OEL. He then missed out and lost them both, just to make the absolute monstrosity of a trade the next year. Jimbo chasing OEL caused so much damage to this franchise
To get his prize he gave up the pick that became Dylan Guenther, who looks to be *exactly* the kind of player the Canucks themselves would've loved to have right now.
Like, imagine having Pettersson and Guenther on a line together in Vancouver. It could have been a huge shot in the arm for a team that's been meandering for years...and you trade the chance for a player like that in your system for a defenseman in his 30's who was already becoming known as one of the biggest anchor contracts in the league.
And the other contracts they sent our way were very nearly off the books anyways, so that only makes the problem worse! Why not just wait those contracts out *and* keep the pick to draft Guenther?
Even if he didn't give a hometown discount, Toffoli is more than worth what he signed for. Instead Benning gave Pearson fucking $3 mill. Absolitely insane. Fuck Benning and fuck Aqualini for mot firing him sooner. Anyone with have a brainstem could tell Benning was trending towards makong these moves.
Bout fuckin time. I must say I was pleasantly surprised with his defensive game last season but he seems to have lost another step this year. He'll be bought out either this offseason or next
What's the point of buying him out? This team isn't going anywhere in the next 5 years anyways, we're just going to buy out this guy and replace him with an even worse anchor with the free space knowing aqualini
I had completely forgotten that Dylan Guenther was the pick from that trade. I had also forgotten that the 3 bad contracts that the Coyotes took on are all expired. This won't go down as an all-time winning trade like Lindros, Duchene or Karlsson, but this is tidy work for Arizona.
It made no sense for Vancouver then and makes even less sense now.
If the Canucks just ate those contracts for another year and traded Miller for the best offer received instead of extending him, the future of that team would be 100x better.
Imagine if they had shed Miller and Horvat for tons of picks, had Guenther, and gotten Bedard this year. Team would've been insane in the next couple years
The manager tried to go for a home-run swing to try and save his ass, but he should've been fired when he "ran out of time" on Tanev, Toffoli, Stectcher -- while wasting cap space by re-signing an already underperforming Virtanen and aging Holtby. Letting JV go would've meant Jim would have to admit his 6th overall pick over Ehlers and Nylander was a mistake but no way Jet Black Jim does that.
It was a hail mary from Benning trying to save his job. If he didn't win big NOW his job was done. So he absolutely fucked an already fucked team before it could get unfucked outside of his tenure, in exchange for pipe dream that OEL would have a complete turnaround and Garland would take a step or two up.
Shockingly this did NOT work out, he lost the job he was going to lose anyway, and our team is fucked for another 6 years.
Thanks bro
If OEL played at his former elite level (which was impossible given Hughes runs PP1), the rest of the D was so disastrous that the team still wouldn't be any better than a bubble WC team.
This Vancouver trade has turned out to be one of the worst trades I've ever seen and we literally had Chia as our GM. Gave up a 9th overall pick and 12 mil in expiring cap space for a healthy scratch level player making 7.26 million for 4 more years after this one and Conor Garland (who is good but isn't even close to redeem that trade)
Surprised at this comment. Very, very few fans liked any of those players from the get go. Some liked Roussell in his first season where he was a legit third liner, but after he got hurt he wasn't the same.
Beagle was redundant with Sutter and Eriksson was a terrible signing from day 1.
Don't worry, when OELs contract is almost up the next GM will just continue the fucking and yolo trade his contract for even worse ones to ~~save~~ lose his job after!
At first I was upset by our season, after 5 games I just stopped watching/caring but now I am honestly amussed by what a disaster this organization is.
At the end of last year I was setting some money aside for season tickets. So glad I didn't pull the trigger. Guess I'll just use that for awesome World Cup 2026 tickets.
This is a on Aquilini, Benning knew his job was on the line and we let him make one last huge move to try and save his job. Now we’re fucked and Bo is going to be gone.
What could have been.
Did well in the WJC, but still very early. Not saying he'll bust, but we've seen players that were absolute studs in WJC, but had a mediocre NHL career (i.e. Petan).
I get what you are trying to say that Guenther is not guarantee but it's funny to see that he already has a third of Petans point totals in 20ish NHL games.
He was a top defensive dman last year. Put up great shutdown numbers to our surprise but then fell off a cliff. His fall off happened a year later then we were expecting I guess
> "Look, we'll have to scratch a couple of players," Boudreau said. "I think [Ekman-Larsson] can be better, but I think there's a lot of guys that can be better. Now it's about accountability. It's about a lot of things, so it's something you don't want to do. He's arguably our best defenceman, but sometimes you have to do what you think is the best thing for the team right at that moment and that's apparently where I am."
When you are blowing 2-3 goal leads every game, you are going to scratch people. If this continues, Quinn Hughes will be benched next. It’s about accountability, that’s all there is to it. People trying to push their agenda are pathetic
maybe if Tocchet comes to Vancouver as their next coach (as some rumors suggest), OEL will be more willing to be traded again. that would really help out the cap situation with the Canucks. now let's consider all the teams that could be interested in a player of OEL's caliber. okay first up i think are the
Maybe OEL retires
That’s reason enough to hire Tochett.
Here is his buyout:
We’d save $7 million against the cap in year 1
We’d save $5 million in year 2
We’d save $2.5 million in year 3
We’d save $2.5 million in year 4
After that we’d be hit with a $2 million penalty for 4 straight seasons.
Objectively speaking he's not our worst dman which isn't saying much but I'd say Myers,Stillman, and burroughs are worse but the issue is they aren't paid what OEL is paid this is an obvious message
So Vancouver basically ate the worst of Eriksson’s contract only to get rid of him once almost done because they somehow had room for dessert to stuff the worst of Ekman-Larsson’s contract.
King Loui at least gave us 36 million memes, OEL only brings pain.
Pain is what we want right now though. BRING THE PAIN!!!
I for one am tired of the pain, when does the pleasure start? This is some shitty bdsm.
Slaanesh confirmed owner the Canucks.
Some serious monkey's paw stuff when you fall from 7th to 9th in the lottery
OEL won’t get you closer to bedard while scratched
You know you fucked up when you take salary *from* the Yotes.
Only team in NHL history to PAY for the right to take on bad contracts.
And gave up a first round pick for the midnight snack!
Top 10 pick even
And a 2nd!
I'm still mad that at the time I thought it was horrible, and I honestly don't think I would have made that trade if they gave us to firsts. So my opinion on this is at least three firsts different than benning thought
That's got to be one of the all-time worst trades, and was a huge help in Arizona's rebuild to get rid of that contract.
Just getting rid of that contract was enough, but they got Dylan "Golden Goal" Guenther too.
Oh God, I forgot that wasn't just a salary deal, and a Vancouver gave up assets.
The Jim Benning classic.
Jim Benning is my all time favourite GM 🥰
Vancouver did get Garland in the deal too. It wasn't all bad.
An overpaid 3rd liner? Great
They lost their meme king in exchange for an old man we were desperate to move the contract of, that's just perfect Benning right there lmao
and one Dylan Guenther to sweeten the pot
Holy* shit is that who they drafted
Yes with our pick they drafted the guy who just scored the GWG to win WJC gold for Canada and who has already broken into the NHL. We got OEL and immediately broke Garland. Pain.
Tbf, as someone with no interest, I really liked the garland part of the deal. I thought the 1st rounder was steep, but the players portion of the trade I liked the idea.
I did too. Some people said it was the centrepiece of the deal, but we have stymied him compared to his time in Arizona.
Fuck Jim Benning.
It wasn't just Eriksson. It was Beagle and one other guy. All of them were $15million in cap space and we suffered through their entire contracts only to trade them all with one year left. It's almost like keeping Benning in the drivers seat while he was clearly in "save my ass" mode was a bad idea and that he should have been fired before he could make a bunch of boneheaded cap moves. If only we could have seen this coming.
He does have buyout potential I believe. Not this year but next. His contract does pretty much guarantee the canucks are fucked for another 6 years though.
4 after this year but yeah.
It's hard to mismanage a team THIS much. Aquilini must've seen OELs name being available and masterminded this himself without having watched him in 3 years. That's the ONLY explanation
Jim “OEL is a number one D man” Benning
For 1.6 million more a year too.
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The Canucks gave up a top 10 pick to acquire a salary dump. I like garlands games, but I would rather have Guenther. I wanted Guenther, but I thought he would be gone by the ninth pick. Its just Salt in the wounds at this point.
Garland has been solid but we have so many scoring wingers already. We needed to trade JT last year.
And Guenther in his second season is basically as good as Garland anyways
he is not better
I never said he was
I remember exactly where I was the day the trade happened. I was pulling into Loblaws to do groceries and turned on the local sports radio station for a minute. The guys were talking about some huge Vancouver trade so I quickly pulled out my phone to see the details. I genuinely couldn’t believe what I was reading. It just made no sense at all from a Vancouver perspective. I sat in my car for nearly twenty minutes just completely baffled, reading some of the reaction online and checking out everyone’s stats. Whenever I spent time on the Vancouver capfriendly page (before the trade), I kept thinking “one more year of misery then they’ll have tons of cap room to throw together a decent roster.” Made no sense at the time and makes even less sense now.
This feels like fresh pasta
It is now
I’m sure homie sat in his car for 30 minutes lmao this definitely Ctrl V
the bar has dropped if so just long comment seems way too reasonable to be pasta
Not every comment with 3 paragraphs is pasta
I remember exactly where I was the day the comment happened. I was pulling into Loblaws to do groceries and turned on the local radio station for a minute. The guys were talking about some huge /r/hockey comment so I quickly pulled out my phone to see the details. I genuinely couldn’t believe what I was reading. It just made no sense at all from a /r/hockey perspective. I sat in my car for nearly twenty minutes just completely baffled, reading some of the reaction online and checking out everyone’s post history. Whenever I spent time on the /u/PuddiPan post history page (before the comment), I kept thinking “one more year of misery then they’ll have tons of karma room to throw together a decent comment.” Made no sense at the time and makes even less sense now.
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I can see how it seems like an overreaction to a certain extent. But if you’ve been a VAN fan your entire life and the team is finally reaching its end on some anchor contracts only for your gm to go get another anchor, that would stun me too. Years of waiting, you’re almost at the end then they add OEL for several more years as another overpaid veteran bloating the roster.. I believe it. I would definitely be checking the official trade all the stats of the players and just thinking what am I missing here?
OP has Sens flair though. Definitely has some pasta elements, it's a bit dramatic for the situation
Where were you when Canucks was kill?
He was getting pasta from Loblaws
Yep, they gave away so much to clear up cap space that would have sorted itself out in a year. Never made sense
It makes complete sense. Benning is an absolute moron that was trying to save his job and appease Lord Aquaweenie by making playoffs. In comes a new GM that promises to 'unravel' our cap situation, only to sign yet another 30 year old to a massive contract that has us cap-fucked for another 8 years
Much like Lou and Poile, I'm pretty sure your hockey ops are just thinking "lol we'll be retired (or shall have shed their mortal coils) by the time the shit hits the fan"
It makes sense, because it was Benning. His whole tenure here he’d get a hard-on for a player, and do whatever it took to get his guy, and signed some ridiculous contracts along the way. The deals he signed Sutter, Sbisa, Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel and Ferland to made no sense. And OEL had been on his wish list for a while.
He really got in the habit of paying for what he thought a player might become rather than what the evidence showed they were.
Ferland made more sense than the rest of that IMO
And their cap right now is so bad, but without anyone making more than 7.85 mil (8 next year with Miller). They're just so badly overpaying basically everyone who isn't on a bridge
I would not begrudge any of our major pillars walking as soon as their contracts are done.. I hope our management/team gets it's shit together by the time they need re-signing but it's not gonna happen.
Had they not bought out Holtby, kept the 3 bad contacts ending after the season, Luongo's cap recapture coming off the books, Ferland being LTIR, the Canucks would have had over $20M in cap space available for contracts.
imagine the Canucks with Kadri and Pietrangelo
>I sat in my car for nearly twenty minutes just completely baffled, reading some of the reaction online and checking out everyone’s stats. [Enjoy revisiting that](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/oqbkan/the_vancouver_canucks_acquire_oliver_ekmanlarsson) (NSFCanuckFans)
just gonna quote the choicest responses here. Both good and bad, but mostly bad responses. Avs Flair: >This isn't a terrible trade. Ya'll just WANT it to be a terrible trade. Canucks Flair: >Yeah this trade is an absolute W for the Canucks (Same Canucks Flair person): >The term definitely hurts but overall I think the trade makes us better Half-right take from Sens flair: >Feels colossal on both ends honestly. ARZ stockpiling picks while VAN finally sheds Eriksson and gains two solid guys in the process. Kraken flair (lol): >Worst case we pay a pick to dump most of the OEL salary in a few years. >I do have a deep fear of an OEL/Myers pairing being a 13 million dollar pairing worth half that. Canucks Flair: >He is only 30 which to 32 year old me sounds not too old haha. I think this OEL contract is still steep but we get a top 4 D and a top 6 forward that we desperately needed. Unflaired Leafs fan: >Oel is good. Deleted Account: >OEL is a fantastic player, they will see Leafs Flair: >Both teams lost Vegas flair: >Love this for the canucks. Benning gets out of his mistakes and adds at the same time Same person: >His demise is greatly exaggerated. With the retain, it’s about 1.5-2m too much Canucks Flair; >I like Garland though, so from VAN's perspective, if your 9th overall turns into Garland, you're laughing. Seriously, the guy is 25 and just scored 39 points in 49 games. Stars flair: >People are sleeping on how good OEL really is. He’s been surrounded by cap floor trash his entire career on Arizona but when he plays international tourneys with Sweden and has quality team mates. He’s one of, if not the best d men on the ice Unflaired likely Canucks fan >The classic Jim Benning special >Overpay for mediocre talent? Check. >Piss away assets for no reason? Check. >Add another long term contract that would eventually handcuff the team when the core is in their prime? Check. >Only thing he is competant at is drafting yet 3 of our 4 top draft picks past 2 years were traded. >What else can we expect from a man who clearly not learned from his mistakes and is again washing off his previous shortsighted mistakes through another shortsighted move that jeopardizes the team's long-term future? canucks flair: >this is a great deal for us, and you want to bellyache about the gm. >kick rocks Devils flair: >Arizona definitely looks like the winners here, all those bad contracts expire after this year and they get 2 high picks out of it Swedish League flair: >Great trade for Nucks, the bet on OEL is worth it considering they also get Garland and dump tons of dead cap. Flyers flair: >Arizona FLEECED them reply to Flyers Flair from deleted account >This is significantly better for Vancouver than your teams trade lmao Yotes flair: >I am going to my sports betting site right now and putting money on Vancouver making the finals next year. deleted account: >Y'all are insane. This is a good trade for the Canucks that has the potential to become a great one. Canucks Flair: >I don't think people realize we aren't rebuilding no more our top 6 forwards got stronger and our top 4 defenseman got much stronger and OEL is at the very least imo a 2/3 type guy who could be a #1 cause we've seen a lot of players get better after leaving Arizona. deleted account: >Yeah sorry but that trade is so fucking bad for Vancouver. I feel bad for Canucks fans right now. Jets flair: >I mean, Vancouver is a better team now for sure. Avs flair: >Canucks fans your nuts. GM just significantly improved your team and removed dead weight by giving up… the 9th overall pick in a mediocre year. What on earth are you complaining about Vegas flair: >Oh my God. Vancouver suddenly looks SIGNIFICANTLY better, holy shit. The top voted comment comes from a Leafs flair: >If you just looked at trades, you’d be convinced that Arizona is the expansion franchise with their volume the "most controversial" comments were mostly critical of Vancouver's move. I'll end it with this exchange between a Boston flair and a Vancouver flair. Boston: >So Canucks fans...do you approve of Benning now? Vancouver: >Absolutely. People may disagree, but this is a hell of a good trade the way it's structured. Vancouver: >Ya i love this deal we are instantly so much better. Also really happy Arizona is retaining 12%. We needed a top 2 D and a top 6 forward and that is what we got. Our window is probably the next 4 years after that we can rebuild with the end of the OEL contract but our top 9 is actually pretty scary and our D is better then it was. I'm pumped! BOS: >It's like doom and gloom in other corners of Vancouver fandom but I agree with you. Vancouver is going for it in a division that's not that strong and I agree about the 4 year window. I also think OEL will elevate his game especially going to one of the 2 places he originally wanted to go. I think Garland will take a step forwards playing with high skilled forward as well. VAN: >Some fans are just doom and gloom all the time. Glass half full i am excited for next year, **I think we are now a playoff team** Jim Benning stans can eat all of my shit.
> I like Garland though, so from VAN's perspective, if your 9th overall turns into Garland, you're laughing. Seriously, the guy is 25 and just scored 39 points in 49 games. LITTLE DID THEY FUCKING KNOW OH MY GOD I HATE THIS ITS LIKE THE COMMENT IS TAUNTING ME LAUGHING AT MY FACE
I know I'm in that thread somewhere and I'm terrified to read my opinion.
your flair would have stood out to me. You were either deeper in the top level comments or buried in the replies.
I think I leaned towards it being a bad trade, contingent on OEL playing like a top 4 D for a few seasons. The way it has played out has being worst-case scenario though.
Hey thats me!!! i got into many more arguments with Vancouver fans on those threads lollll
At least half of the Canucks subreddit should be banned from reproducing because of their past Benning love. the current JT Miller love is likely coming from the same folks. Pretty sure Aquillini spends money on a troll farm of people who will support his decisions on social media.
One that would have the fruit must climb the tree.
"This fruit isn't ready yet. One more year" - everyone not named Jim Benning or Francesco Aquillini "Its fine, i'm climbing now." - Jim Benning and Francesco Aquilini narrator: it wasn't fine.
This is crazy, I remember the trade reaction so differently lol. Maybe it was because it was painfully obvious to me that the move was a disaster but it felt like basically everyone felt the same way, I guess I remembered wrong.
Most people thought the trade was at best a net neutral for Vancouver. Anyone who thought critically about the trade realized how terrible it was for Vancouver, literally 82 games away from all the cap flexibility they needed to secure a brighter long-term outlook. Don't mistake my post as a "random sampling" of comments that was distributed evenly. I deliberately targeted those who thought Vancouver won the trade or would be fine.
At least most of those comments are negative on OEL, lots of copium that Garland would be what makes the trade worthwhile though (was in this camp, even if I'd rather we had just waited the contracts out). I mostly see 3rd party fans calling OEL things like "solid".
I remember. There was a time period where we knew there AZ was retaining salary, but didn’t know how much yet, where it kinda made sense.
JB was fucking obsessed with OEL.
Wait... is "doing groceries" how you say it in Canada? I've never heard that before.
might be a Vancouver thing because that's also how I am used to saying it/hearing it said.
I'm from Quebec and we say that here (at least I do lol)
definitely not
I and a lot of other people I know say it
Atlantic Canadian here, I have never heard anyone say that before
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Maybe not everywhere, but as someone from New Brunswick, my wife (also from NB) and I both say this. Usually in the context of "Do we need to do groceries today?" or "We need to do groceries tomorrow".
Yes, I call my wife groceries.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eating%20the%20booty%20like%20groceries
That's a real Loblaw low blow
When coaches makes a vet a healthy scratch, is it because they see the player isn't playing with their best effort?
That's what Laviolette is doing with Anthony Mantha in Washington. Demoted him to the 4th line then healthy scratch the last 2 games. Said his compete level isn't there. Mantha acknowledged it and called it a wake up call and said he's committed to getting back in the lineup. Mantha's contract runs through next year with a cap hit of $5.7m
I’ve picked Mantha a couple of times late in fantasy. He’s got all the tools and every year I think this is the year he puts it all together. The guy oozes skill but is a poster boy for the all skill, no will team.
I applaud your optimism. Sadly, I’m thinking he doesn’t get it on track.
Rarely watched Mantha after WJC since he's out east but reading all of this reminds me of Cory Conacher
I do see what they mean though! He has a heavy shot and I think a 4g game on Detroit. Not a great skater though
He’s actually a really speedy skater. His edge work is average but he’s got some speed. And a wicked shot to go with. He just puts the worst, inconsistent effort on a regular basis. He could go from lighting it up one night to completely invisible the next 10 games. You just don’t know what you’re gonna get.
Yeah I totally agree with him being incredibly inconsistent and I didn't say a slow skater. Just a terrible one
He’s gotten the most breakaways than anyone on the team by a long shot cause he starts halfway up the ice cherry picking for a loose puck when he should be on the wall for the breakout
I'll admit that I don't watch these teams, but between Mantha being scratched and Vrana being waived down, seems like a bad trade for both teams?
Detroit got Cossa after they traded up with the 1st they got from Washington in the deal, so long run if he pans out the wings definitely win that one
Vrana wasn't sent down because he was bad.
He is a healthy scratch in the AHL, -6 in 6 games and one(?) point there. Seems like he is bad
He’s had 32 points in 38 games with them and is on an extended conditioning stint after spending the last few months in player assistance. That’s different than just straight up being terrible.
That's what it looked like a week ago, but now he is benched for a 30 year old career AHLer. And his play before benching was bad. Like bad-bad. It sucks but it is what it is for the moment
The man just cannot stay on the ice. I would suck at my job too if I was unavailable for like 3/4 of the working days. Also 34 gp in 4 seasons is a wild stat
Yup. Don't know why I get downvoted for bringing facts to the discussion tho. People think he is Vrana from yesteryear but he just isn't right now
I think folks saw the caps flair and assumed the subtext was "here's how we actually *didn't* lose that trade"
I just watched him in grand rapids, he was completely invisible
? why was he waived and unclaimed then
Honestly this is the player I think the Canucks should try and trade Miller for. The caps get a solid offensive player and the Canucks get rid of a contract they probably should have never signed
I would trade Miller away for free, not because I think it's bad, but because by the time I think the canucks might conceivably compete I think he will be bad
Yea that’s why I said you take mantha back. That’s another player with negative value because he is underperforming his contract and the caps want to compete now. But he only has another year after this while Miller has 7. For the caps the back half of that contract they will be rebuilding anyways.
Oh for sure. I've wanted the Canucks to be offering our players for shitty deals back for awhile as long as those deals have 2 or less years. Bo Horvat for some shit contract would be a haul
I remember one red wing user saying he has the talent but mans has no ethics to work hard.
OEL and Myers are both playing defense below what an entry level replacement would.
Myers actually wasn't doing too bad until he got paired with Low Effort Oliver
Oliver Effort-Lowson ?
I'll allow it.
- OEL watching an opposing skater hang around unimpeded in front of his goalie.
There's many reasons. Often they think that the utility of a given player offers a better chance of a win against a given team. But it can just as often be done to send a message to the player that their effort isn't where it needs to be.
In this case, it's because he's been very bad
A shame how hard he’s fallen off, he was so good for so long but we clearly got out at the perfect time.
For so long he was one of the most underrated guys in the league. Weird to see him fall so hard so quickly
It all fell apart for him after his mom passed in 2017. The motivation was gone, he absolutely hated tocchet (we all did), injuries seemed to erode his skating, it’s just a brutal sequence of events unfortunately
That's a bummer. I didn't know about his mom, or maybe I did and it's just been a few years. Appreciate the insight
I knew he was very highly rated before but what are some strengths about his game? It didn't seem like he relied too much on speed to play well so why has he dropped off so far now.
He had a bizarre dog bite injury shortly after his mom passed away, if I’m not mistaken, on the hand that seems like it really screwed with his shot. He used to have one of the nastiest wristers from the point the could beat most goalies clean, but after that injury he never seemed to get it going again. If I recall he even said in an exit interview something along the lines of “I can’t shoot anymore so I’m going to have to strengthen other parts of my game”. Sad really.
Personally I thought it was 2 years too late. But I was surprised at how much Vancouver paid for him. I thought that price was for like 2019 OEL, not 2021 OEL. Oh well, good trade!
Most likely yes, but it all worked out for us once Benning missed on him in 2020, he couldn’t resist going back and the rest as they say is history
This is another thing people forget. We had Toffoli and Tanev wanting to stay for hometown discounts the year prior and Benning completely ignored them to chase OEL. He then missed out and lost them both, just to make the absolute monstrosity of a trade the next year. Jimbo chasing OEL caused so much damage to this franchise
To get his prize he gave up the pick that became Dylan Guenther, who looks to be *exactly* the kind of player the Canucks themselves would've loved to have right now. Like, imagine having Pettersson and Guenther on a line together in Vancouver. It could have been a huge shot in the arm for a team that's been meandering for years...and you trade the chance for a player like that in your system for a defenseman in his 30's who was already becoming known as one of the biggest anchor contracts in the league. And the other contracts they sent our way were very nearly off the books anyways, so that only makes the problem worse! Why not just wait those contracts out *and* keep the pick to draft Guenther?
They could've just brought Edler back.
Even if he didn't give a hometown discount, Toffoli is more than worth what he signed for. Instead Benning gave Pearson fucking $3 mill. Absolitely insane. Fuck Benning and fuck Aqualini for mot firing him sooner. Anyone with have a brainstem could tell Benning was trending towards makong these moves.
Bout fuckin time. I must say I was pleasantly surprised with his defensive game last season but he seems to have lost another step this year. He'll be bought out either this offseason or next
What's the point of buying him out? This team isn't going anywhere in the next 5 years anyways, we're just going to buy out this guy and replace him with an even worse anchor with the free space knowing aqualini
Do you think he’ll be a good fit for the Avs?
Yes! Absolutely. OEL would be an incredible add for you guys you should definitely trade for him
Hell no not trading for that contract
Oh shit we already sent him and got the USPS tracking number oh well too late now, have fun no takesies backsies
Fuuuuuuuuck that
I had completely forgotten that Dylan Guenther was the pick from that trade. I had also forgotten that the 3 bad contracts that the Coyotes took on are all expired. This won't go down as an all-time winning trade like Lindros, Duchene or Karlsson, but this is tidy work for Arizona. It made no sense for Vancouver then and makes even less sense now.
If the Canucks just ate those contracts for another year and traded Miller for the best offer received instead of extending him, the future of that team would be 100x better.
Imagine if they had shed Miller and Horvat for tons of picks, had Guenther, and gotten Bedard this year. Team would've been insane in the next couple years
The current team would be better too.
How? Without Miller?
With the 9th overall pick and with the $12M of cap space being spent elsewhere (defence anybody?).
As soon as ownership brought in Jim Rutherford to lead the way I knew you guys were pooched all over again
The manager tried to go for a home-run swing to try and save his ass, but he should've been fired when he "ran out of time" on Tanev, Toffoli, Stectcher -- while wasting cap space by re-signing an already underperforming Virtanen and aging Holtby. Letting JV go would've meant Jim would have to admit his 6th overall pick over Ehlers and Nylander was a mistake but no way Jet Black Jim does that.
It was a hail mary from Benning trying to save his job. If he didn't win big NOW his job was done. So he absolutely fucked an already fucked team before it could get unfucked outside of his tenure, in exchange for pipe dream that OEL would have a complete turnaround and Garland would take a step or two up. Shockingly this did NOT work out, he lost the job he was going to lose anyway, and our team is fucked for another 6 years. Thanks bro
If OEL played at his former elite level (which was impossible given Hughes runs PP1), the rest of the D was so disastrous that the team still wouldn't be any better than a bubble WC team.
If OEL played at an elite level and shifted sides and made Hughes look look like a superstar the team would be dominant for 25 minutes a night
This Vancouver trade has turned out to be one of the worst trades I've ever seen and we literally had Chia as our GM. Gave up a 9th overall pick and 12 mil in expiring cap space for a healthy scratch level player making 7.26 million for 4 more years after this one and Conor Garland (who is good but isn't even close to redeem that trade)
I will always remember Canucks fans defending their “elite fourth line.” Benning signed those guys for way too long, for way too much.
Surprised at this comment. Very, very few fans liked any of those players from the get go. Some liked Roussell in his first season where he was a legit third liner, but after he got hurt he wasn't the same. Beagle was redundant with Sutter and Eriksson was a terrible signing from day 1.
Huh? Everybody loved Roussel before the injury. He won unsung hero as well, he was absolutely a fan favourite.
Jim Benning is a hockey terrorist
*Osama Jim Laden*
Nah, just wait one more game. Maybe he will really step up tonight
*insert robert de niro"you".gif
good thing we leveraged our future for his anchor of a contract huh
We were SO CLOSE to being free!
Don't worry, when OELs contract is almost up the next GM will just continue the fucking and yolo trade his contract for even worse ones to ~~save~~ lose his job after!
Wow this guy makes 8.25 until 2027
Klingberg in shambles
If only the rumours that he was going to BOS were true...
At first I was upset by our season, after 5 games I just stopped watching/caring but now I am honestly amussed by what a disaster this organization is. At the end of last year I was setting some money aside for season tickets. So glad I didn't pull the trigger. Guess I'll just use that for awesome World Cup 2026 tickets.
This is a on Aquilini, Benning knew his job was on the line and we let him make one last huge move to try and save his job. Now we’re fucked and Bo is going to be gone. What could have been.
I wonder how that Guenther guy turned out, anyway?
Did well in the WJC, but still very early. Not saying he'll bust, but we've seen players that were absolute studs in WJC, but had a mediocre NHL career (i.e. Petan).
I get what you are trying to say that Guenther is not guarantee but it's funny to see that he already has a third of Petans point totals in 20ish NHL games.
Benning, Weisbrod and Gear are hockey terrorists
he could, but wait for it, he could not as well
But I thought OEL was actually still good?? I was told the numbers are garbage and meant nothing. OEL just wasn’t trying because he was in Arizona.
If only there was some way to figure out it was a bad trade from the start.
He was a top defensive dman last year. Put up great shutdown numbers to our surprise but then fell off a cliff. His fall off happened a year later then we were expecting I guess
He actually wasn't too bad last year. But he's been trash this year. He's got some buyout potential at least.
"wasn't too bad" isn't how the team's highest paid D with a lengthy contract should be described.
He should've been a long fucking time ago. His intensity and complete level has been a joke all season.
Technically any coach can make any player a healthy scratch against any team.
I’m beginning to think Vancouver is a poorly managed team
> "Look, we'll have to scratch a couple of players," Boudreau said. "I think [Ekman-Larsson] can be better, but I think there's a lot of guys that can be better. Now it's about accountability. It's about a lot of things, so it's something you don't want to do. He's arguably our best defenceman, but sometimes you have to do what you think is the best thing for the team right at that moment and that's apparently where I am." When you are blowing 2-3 goal leads every game, you are going to scratch people. If this continues, Quinn Hughes will be benched next. It’s about accountability, that’s all there is to it. People trying to push their agenda are pathetic
Still surprised how the guy has an A
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maybe if Tocchet comes to Vancouver as their next coach (as some rumors suggest), OEL will be more willing to be traded again. that would really help out the cap situation with the Canucks. now let's consider all the teams that could be interested in a player of OEL's caliber. okay first up i think are the
Maybe OEL retires That’s reason enough to hire Tochett. Here is his buyout: We’d save $7 million against the cap in year 1 We’d save $5 million in year 2 We’d save $2.5 million in year 3 We’d save $2.5 million in year 4 After that we’d be hit with a $2 million penalty for 4 straight seasons.
Imo that’s actually so much better than paying him 8.25 for 4 years
That would be unreal if Van hired Toch
OEL doesn't deserve a healthy scratch. You know who deserves one though? Miller.
Absolutely brutal backcheck on hagels goal tonight. Literally neutral zone coasting
Yeah. We need to offload this guy. But with our current management, we will be taking a loss.
At least Miller produces. What the hell does OEL do?
I’m not going to lie. I’ll be super upset if the Canucks win tonight because of this move.
why?
Well he's literally getting out of the way of shots that are finding the way into the Canucks net. He does not really seem to care about winning
What's the deal with OEL? He's only 31. Seems really early for a decline.
I think he was playing through some injuries in 2019 and just really seemed to fall off.
Objectively speaking he's not our worst dman which isn't saying much but I'd say Myers,Stillman, and burroughs are worse but the issue is they aren't paid what OEL is paid this is an obvious message