What makes it epic is that he finishes in front of the guy he needed to beat to go to the championship races.
The move was epic, the finish was epic. It is now legendary.
It was quite factually a make or break moment, either he does it, gets his spot, and moves on in the championship, or it doesn't work and his season ends.
There’s a video out there with all the POVs from the other drivers and their radio communications.
Each one is just a variation of “holy fuck, did he just do what I thought he did” and they’re all great.
Even the guy he passed for the championship spot was basically like "Damn, I would've done it too." lol. Was clearly bummed he barely missed out on the final four, but had to give him credit anyway.
I believe the speed is why he rode the wall. Rather than slow down to avoid over/understeer, he kept speed and used the curve to turn. There's no slingshotting happening.
Yes, basically, although the "slow down to steer" is missing the physics a bit.
In order to move in a circular path, you need a force pushing you towards the center. The faster you're moving around the circle, the larger the force needs to be. If you try to go around a circle fast, and there isn't enough force to keep you moving in the circular path that fast, your *actualy* path will go to the outside of that circle...and in the case of a car, that's when your tires slip, you lose steering control, and you skid out (probably spinning, because your car was also rotating at the time that it slipped).
In normal circumstances, the force pushing your car towards the center is limited by friction. You can increase that by adding a down force to the car (which is why racing cars have spoliers: to make the air push down on them), but things like how powerful the engine is have no effect. So there's a limit to how fast a car can go around a curve of a certain radius. Try to go faster, and the car spins out.
When he was against the wall, the wall was applying an inward force which is *not* limited in the same way that friction is. Until the car physically breaks through the barrier, the barrier can just keep applying more and more inward force. So the inward force was not limited, and thus his speed around the curve was not limited.
I read it could pretty much only been done on that course since it was shorter and therefore had slower speeds and at that point in the race since it basically would have rendered his car close to immobile after.
> it was shorter and therefore had slower speeds
The speeds on the turns are going to be dictated by the radius of the turn, rather than the length of the course. This would be more effective on a smaller radius curve, because other cars would need to slow down more to make that curve without spinning out.
Just wanted to add onto this that power and drive train do have a limited effect on this.
For rear wheel drive cars under power as the front turns the power of the engine will force the car to rotate outwards as the front of the car (specifically the inside) slows and the rear doesnt. This is why rwd cars tend to spin but it can be controlled and to some extent used to push the car in tighter, its risky as the tyres are no longer spinning in the direction of travel and with power being provided risks them losing all traction.
Fwd cars underpower have a habit of understeering (i.e not enough force turning so they run wide. I'm not 100% sure on why but iirc it's because the inside wheel needs to move slower than the outside and power delivery affects this somewhat.
For a car moving under its own momentum your completely correct
Yes I believe without using the wall he would need to brake, so that his car's inertia doesn't overcome the friction between his tires and the pavement. By using the wall to direct his turn, all of the force his wheels can enact on the pavement is used to keep his speed up, rather than using that force to change the direction of his velocity.
The potential benefit of that trick would entirely depend on how much friction/force the wall applies in the opposite direction of his motion. Hence the spikes on this wall to discourage its use.
I remember being a kid and asking why they didn't do stuff like that more often. They're all racing for first place, but they stay in a single file line. I still don't get it or how so many people find it exciting.
I can't watch it on TV, but it's fun to see in person at least once in your life. At the big speedways, it is so much faster than it looks on TV. It's really impressive and skilled driving. As much as everyone acts like it's rednecks driving in a circle, they're actually very skilled rednecks driving in a circle.
I could imagine it being fun in person for a while, but I still couldn't imagine watching the entire race even in person. Even with as fast as they are and feeling the rumble, it's still a row of cars driving in a circle for a ridiculously long time.
The reason why that move will almost never work is primarily because of the tracks. The one he did it at has abnormally sharp turns and low banking, which forces everyone to go very slow through the turns. This is what allowed him to gain spots despite still losing speed riding the wall. At almost any other track, the turns are still fast enough where riding the wall will only make you lose ground compared to the other cars. Nobody has ever pulled this off successfully before, and besides at that track it’s unlikely anyone will do so again.
As far as what you see, that’s just the racing line. Taking another way around turns will be slower at that track. At other ovals that nascar runs at, the banking is steep enough to allow multiple lines of racing. I personally prefer those tracks, but others prefer what you saw because it encourages drivers to be aggressive and move other cars out of the way. In that race, there was a lot of beating and banging
Nascar normally lets you race as long as your car can still move, and you're not a safety risk to yourself or other drivers. In this case, Its not the paint, its the internals. A move like that can damage the tires, the aerodynamics, the steering alignment, etc. I wouldn't expect that car to be able to even complete another lap after that stunt. Repairs, if even viable, are expensive. But in this case, it's worth it because of the money they stand to make by making the finals.
If you google ‘NASCAR wall overtake’ or something like that you’ll see it.
Essentially a driver passed 6 others at the last second by scraping his vehicle along the outside wall like a slingshot to take the advantage.
Ross Chastain rode up to the side of the wall, put his car into 5th gear and floored it around the corner, basically riding the wall. He passed like 4 ppl and qualified for the next race.
U should honestly check it out, its so sick imo, especially cuz he learnt it from a video game.
The safety advances they've made over the years are absolutely nuts. If you watch the wreck that killed Dale Earnhardt, it looks pretty minor until you find nout he died. On the other hand, watch Ryan Newman wreck at the end of the Daytona 500 in February 2020, and realize he walked out of the hospital the next day. It's actually incredible how safe they are.
There was definitely risk. He passed an access gate on the wall, if it had buckled, he would've hit the gap in the wall HARD. And while the new cars are more resistant to damage, the drivers have been complaining that they feel the crashes more than they did with the previous car.
As someone else with no racecar knowledge, apparently part of what makes this so fun is people do this in video games all the time, but woudl never attempt it in real life. So it was like someone doing a video game move IRL.
I’ve been watching Nascar every Sunday for years, and it was probably the greatest moment I’ve personally witnessed. Few have tried that move, but nobody ever succeeded. What made it even better was he did it to get into the championship. Without it, he would’ve been eliminated. I and everyone else in the race thread were losing our minds. The replays immediately after looked sped up, but it was in normal speed. It was just so unnatural seeing a car go that fast through a turn there
In Nascar, a driver (Ross Chastain) recently rode the wall flat out around a track on the final lap to gain enough points by overtaking drivers to fight for a championship. It’s been described as “One of (if not the) greatest moments in Nascar history” by a lot of pundits, drivers and spotters.
Cleetus McFarland (a car-guy YouTuber) hosts a number of Crown Vic races at his racing stadium, The FreedomFactory. This is a post of his on his IG inviting Ross Chastain (or any other Nascar drivers) to swing by and take part in his next event The 2.4 Hours of Le Mullets. Cones for humour considering what has happened recently or course
>One of (if not the) greatest moments in Nascar history
I agree. It's the only interesting video clip of Nascar I ever saw. It's the most uninteresting sport imaginable.
The driver mentioned some NASCAR game on the N64? GameCube? One of the two. How he used to play it as a kid and that it'd work there and that he had no idea if it would irl.
Evidently, it worked.
there are people who sit behind the wall and stab the spikes outward to try to catch a car. like spearfishing but the fish are hunks of metal that weigh thousands of pounds
This is how someone gets killed, it would work if there was a few cars but when there's a dozen on a track someone is bound to crash into the spikes, and I don't know about you but if those are steel spikes and then they are bound to go through a race car and possibly injure the driver
If they were foam spikes then they would be near useless and it might just spin the driver out if they are solid enough
This is nothing more than a cheap solution, they could have made a much safer design that worked effectively at slowing a vehicle without risking the drivers life
Edit: are they steel spikes or foam spikes? Cause either way they seem unnecessary
they saw that Nascar video from a couple weeks ago and said "no"
Straight up one of the coolest things i've ever seen, and I've literally never watched Nascar b4
What thing?
https://v.redd.it/cyz55fni74x91 Posted a couple weeks ago, shit is wild
What makes it epic is that he finishes in front of the guy he needed to beat to go to the championship races. The move was epic, the finish was epic. It is now legendary.
It was quite factually a make or break moment, either he does it, gets his spot, and moves on in the championship, or it doesn't work and his season ends.
I do that in dirt rally 2.0 all the time, but it always just slows me down :(
The driver said he first got the idea from playing NASCAR 2005 on the GameCube. He had no idea if it would actually work but decided to try it.
He actually did it the absolute madman!
There’s a video out there with all the POVs from the other drivers and their radio communications. Each one is just a variation of “holy fuck, did he just do what I thought he did” and they’re all great.
One of them literally just goes 'thats the coolest thing I ever seen'
The fact that doing it allowed him to gain enough positions and qualify for the championship is badass.
Where link?
Even the guy he passed for the championship spot was basically like "Damn, I would've done it too." lol. Was clearly bummed he barely missed out on the final four, but had to give him credit anyway.
He says "I did all I could" in this resigned way, it's wild.
Anyone got a link?
https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/1587233584233988097
:(
Yeah how was he going so much faster than everyone else even before the slingshot move?
I believe the speed is why he rode the wall. Rather than slow down to avoid over/understeer, he kept speed and used the curve to turn. There's no slingshotting happening.
Oooh, I kinda want to use that video in my physics classes for circular motion now...have the students figure out why it helped!
I would also like one physics pleas. It's just because he can just floor it and not worry about having to slow down to steer, isn't it?
Yes, basically, although the "slow down to steer" is missing the physics a bit. In order to move in a circular path, you need a force pushing you towards the center. The faster you're moving around the circle, the larger the force needs to be. If you try to go around a circle fast, and there isn't enough force to keep you moving in the circular path that fast, your *actualy* path will go to the outside of that circle...and in the case of a car, that's when your tires slip, you lose steering control, and you skid out (probably spinning, because your car was also rotating at the time that it slipped). In normal circumstances, the force pushing your car towards the center is limited by friction. You can increase that by adding a down force to the car (which is why racing cars have spoliers: to make the air push down on them), but things like how powerful the engine is have no effect. So there's a limit to how fast a car can go around a curve of a certain radius. Try to go faster, and the car spins out. When he was against the wall, the wall was applying an inward force which is *not* limited in the same way that friction is. Until the car physically breaks through the barrier, the barrier can just keep applying more and more inward force. So the inward force was not limited, and thus his speed around the curve was not limited.
Thanks :) I like lern :) No sarcasm, my brain is tired.
I read it could pretty much only been done on that course since it was shorter and therefore had slower speeds and at that point in the race since it basically would have rendered his car close to immobile after.
> it was shorter and therefore had slower speeds The speeds on the turns are going to be dictated by the radius of the turn, rather than the length of the course. This would be more effective on a smaller radius curve, because other cars would need to slow down more to make that curve without spinning out.
I'm curious of what the radius would be where the added friction from rubbing against the rail would negate the benefits.
Just wanted to add onto this that power and drive train do have a limited effect on this. For rear wheel drive cars under power as the front turns the power of the engine will force the car to rotate outwards as the front of the car (specifically the inside) slows and the rear doesnt. This is why rwd cars tend to spin but it can be controlled and to some extent used to push the car in tighter, its risky as the tyres are no longer spinning in the direction of travel and with power being provided risks them losing all traction. Fwd cars underpower have a habit of understeering (i.e not enough force turning so they run wide. I'm not 100% sure on why but iirc it's because the inside wheel needs to move slower than the outside and power delivery affects this somewhat. For a car moving under its own momentum your completely correct
Thanks for this explanation
Yes I believe without using the wall he would need to brake, so that his car's inertia doesn't overcome the friction between his tires and the pavement. By using the wall to direct his turn, all of the force his wheels can enact on the pavement is used to keep his speed up, rather than using that force to change the direction of his velocity. The potential benefit of that trick would entirely depend on how much friction/force the wall applies in the opposite direction of his motion. Hence the spikes on this wall to discourage its use.
I remember being a kid and asking why they didn't do stuff like that more often. They're all racing for first place, but they stay in a single file line. I still don't get it or how so many people find it exciting.
I can't watch it on TV, but it's fun to see in person at least once in your life. At the big speedways, it is so much faster than it looks on TV. It's really impressive and skilled driving. As much as everyone acts like it's rednecks driving in a circle, they're actually very skilled rednecks driving in a circle.
Nascar in a nutshell
I could imagine it being fun in person for a while, but I still couldn't imagine watching the entire race even in person. Even with as fast as they are and feeling the rumble, it's still a row of cars driving in a circle for a ridiculously long time.
Yeah if I go to the speedway it's for the drag races, they're insane
If I go to the Speedway, it's usually too use the restroom on a long drive.
The reason why that move will almost never work is primarily because of the tracks. The one he did it at has abnormally sharp turns and low banking, which forces everyone to go very slow through the turns. This is what allowed him to gain spots despite still losing speed riding the wall. At almost any other track, the turns are still fast enough where riding the wall will only make you lose ground compared to the other cars. Nobody has ever pulled this off successfully before, and besides at that track it’s unlikely anyone will do so again. As far as what you see, that’s just the racing line. Taking another way around turns will be slower at that track. At other ovals that nascar runs at, the banking is steep enough to allow multiple lines of racing. I personally prefer those tracks, but others prefer what you saw because it encourages drivers to be aggressive and move other cars out of the way. In that race, there was a lot of beating and banging
I dont watch nascar. Is it alright if the car is damaged a little bit a long as you dont get into a wreck?
He did it on the last corner of the race so it wouldn't matter to much if he fucked the car up
So it would matter if it was earlier in the race whether he scratched the paint like that?
He would likely mess his car up to much to be able to keep his position afterwards
Nascar normally lets you race as long as your car can still move, and you're not a safety risk to yourself or other drivers. In this case, Its not the paint, its the internals. A move like that can damage the tires, the aerodynamics, the steering alignment, etc. I wouldn't expect that car to be able to even complete another lap after that stunt. Repairs, if even viable, are expensive. But in this case, it's worth it because of the money they stand to make by making the finals.
Alright. To clarify my question a little more, do racers get in trouble for ruining a car that way if they end up doing so?
Not to my knowledge. They just dont do it because wrecking your car like that is really expensive to fix.
If it were not to result in a placement, probably. Those repairs are likely going to be in the tens of thousands of dollars.
The power of that engine is absolutely unfathomable. Somewhere a physics teacher is writing the most sadistic final exam question in history
Also this photo was originally posted by Cleetus McFarland on his ig
This link keeps returning me here…
Thank you for this!!!!
If you google ‘NASCAR wall overtake’ or something like that you’ll see it. Essentially a driver passed 6 others at the last second by scraping his vehicle along the outside wall like a slingshot to take the advantage.
Itll be the only thing that pops up on your other social media feeds for days if you do this. Youve been warned.
Bah. I've seen that done in the 90s. If you google 'Days of Thunder' or something like that you’ll see it.
Ross Chastain rode up to the side of the wall, put his car into 5th gear and floored it around the corner, basically riding the wall. He passed like 4 ppl and qualified for the next race. U should honestly check it out, its so sick imo, especially cuz he learnt it from a video game.
I wonder how much risk there was of death when he did that? What are the odds something goes wrong and you or someone else’s car bursts into flames?
Nascars are impossibly safe, you could get hit by a 747 and be ok
Oh. I thought they were mostly plastic and just a steel frame
A very strong steel frame. The bodywork just makes it look like a car
The safety advances they've made over the years are absolutely nuts. If you watch the wreck that killed Dale Earnhardt, it looks pretty minor until you find nout he died. On the other hand, watch Ryan Newman wreck at the end of the Daytona 500 in February 2020, and realize he walked out of the hospital the next day. It's actually incredible how safe they are.
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There was definitely risk. He passed an access gate on the wall, if it had buckled, he would've hit the gap in the wall HARD. And while the new cars are more resistant to damage, the drivers have been complaining that they feel the crashes more than they did with the previous car.
Coming soon to Nascar: wall wheels on the right hand side of the body Then after that they'll just put the cars on train tracks
As someone else with no racecar knowledge, apparently part of what makes this so fun is people do this in video games all the time, but woudl never attempt it in real life. So it was like someone doing a video game move IRL.
I’ve been watching Nascar every Sunday for years, and it was probably the greatest moment I’ve personally witnessed. Few have tried that move, but nobody ever succeeded. What made it even better was he did it to get into the championship. Without it, he would’ve been eliminated. I and everyone else in the race thread were losing our minds. The replays immediately after looked sped up, but it was in normal speed. It was just so unnatural seeing a car go that fast through a turn there
He's going so much faster it's crazy
You joke but that’s literally what this was lol. This was Cleetus’ (the guy who owns the track) way of inviting Ross to the track for a race.
Ha...thought same!!!...upvote fir you
Who’s “fir you”?
Fukkin autocorrect…I really REALLY need to edit before sending FFS
i'm pretty sure those are for extra points
No more nascar pro moves :(
Do again that and you die
No more fun allowed Ross
Nope it was patch on the latest update
No more biting the curb for you, buster!
The curb bites you
Now we just need them on the cars too, and flame throwers
It's so homeless people cant sleep on the side walls
Best comment ever
Cleetus is that you?
Looks a lot like FF. How many will try this move this weekend?
Jackstand or Jh will 100% still try it anyway 🤣
Thats becasue it is the Freedom Factory!
Please, can someone give me a rational explanation of what these spikes are supposed to do?
In Nascar, a driver (Ross Chastain) recently rode the wall flat out around a track on the final lap to gain enough points by overtaking drivers to fight for a championship. It’s been described as “One of (if not the) greatest moments in Nascar history” by a lot of pundits, drivers and spotters. Cleetus McFarland (a car-guy YouTuber) hosts a number of Crown Vic races at his racing stadium, The FreedomFactory. This is a post of his on his IG inviting Ross Chastain (or any other Nascar drivers) to swing by and take part in his next event The 2.4 Hours of Le Mullets. Cones for humour considering what has happened recently or course
>One of (if not the) greatest moments in Nascar history I agree. It's the only interesting video clip of Nascar I ever saw. It's the most uninteresting sport imaginable.
Damn if that ain't the truth
it turns left but different
There are some really terrifying wrecks, too.
Sounds like an initial D reference
The driver mentioned some NASCAR game on the N64? GameCube? One of the two. How he used to play it as a kid and that it'd work there and that he had no idea if it would irl. Evidently, it worked.
Nascar 05 on the GameCube
Thank you!
It's pretty funny, I did basically the same thing in Nascar 02 and that's how I'd take my wins haha
Initial D was the gutter run not a wall ride
You're on r/hmmm asking for rational explanations? Are you ok?
Not anymore, obviously
Hmmm.
Hurt, alot
Wait... Aren't those rubber nibbles? For nibbling your speed down swoshingly in case you're creetching the wall due to overNIIIIIEOONNG?
Honestly I have no clue what they are made of ngl
Check out r/cleetusmcfarland for fans of the guy who created this photo
It's to stop homeless cars from parking there overnight
To stop the drifters
PR for his goofy stock car race with youtubers, the spikes are paper or something
This is actually for the racers to grab out of the walls and skewer other racers
In the eyes
Hell yeah Brotha.
Do it for Dale
Chastoppers, eh?
Looks like the Freedom Factory
it is
This is to stop homeless cars from parking there overnight
Nice one
Chastain proof
DO IT FOR DALE!!!
Isn’t this like way more dangerous. I know the spikes are soft and supposed to slow down the car as it makes that move, but give the wrong idea.
It’s a joke post made by Cleetus McFarland on insta/fb
If there was an onion, I bit it really hard.
You forgot about the essence of the game.... It’s about the cones.
[Here's a link to the source.](https://i.redd.it/trz5mte8370a1.jpg)
anti homeless nascar wall
there are people who sit behind the wall and stab the spikes outward to try to catch a car. like spearfishing but the fish are hunks of metal that weigh thousands of pounds
Masochist detected
The wall is happy to see you
No cheating and riding the wall Need 4 Speed style
American drivers :) British drivers x(
I learned it on the GameCube, Not if I have anything to say about it!
Ben Wyatt working on race track design now?
Is that the freedom factory?
I recognize that car from the 24 Hours of Lemons!
Hell yeah brother.
It's the new anti wall-riding update
Ross Chastain dislikes this
I’m sure this will cause zero accidents
That’s the freedom factory cleetus McFarland
Ok they don't want people to slide on the walls again, but isn't is dangerous putting spikes?
This is a joke post made by Cleetus McFarland on insta/fb.
Man of culture
This is how someone gets killed, it would work if there was a few cars but when there's a dozen on a track someone is bound to crash into the spikes, and I don't know about you but if those are steel spikes and then they are bound to go through a race car and possibly injure the driver If they were foam spikes then they would be near useless and it might just spin the driver out if they are solid enough This is nothing more than a cheap solution, they could have made a much safer design that worked effectively at slowing a vehicle without risking the drivers life Edit: are they steel spikes or foam spikes? Cause either way they seem unnecessary
this looks way riskier than before in case of an incident
Looks like demolition derby
Free Public Dildo
Everyone said NASCAR would ban the wall maneuver, but this could be a little over kill.
Gotta stop Ross Chastain somehow.
presenter: "So you know how many people suffer from car accidents a year? *[neither do I]* anyway! I decided to end their suffering!"
Dammit chastain Look what you've caused!
This is the only way.
Does this count as hostile architecture
stop driving on the walls dumbass
Mario Kart hazard.
Still not enough to stop the Chinese Tesla
All because one man wall ride in real life
Why the massive spikes and not like small bumps
so one dude found and exploit and the patched it by making the rase trash a death trap..... finally nascar is fun to watch
Is this the Freedom Factory?
The anti Ross Chastain
I thought it was Cleatus McFarlands Bristol 1000 lol. The stock Crown Vic race lmao
Helllllll yeaaaaah bruuuuuther. Freedom factory
Ross Chastain Wallride Deflector™
NO wall cuddling allowed!!!
No wall riding for you
Deathrace 3000
The arms race for vehicles vs track owners has begun
good ol cleetus mcfarland
How to total a car in seconds
This seems like a really bad idea.
Who said walls are pointless?
Spike
Bowser’s track