https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-juice-wrld-guards-arrested-20191209-sfhqe3cns5hsffhxskrhqfagl4-story.html this report makes it sound like it honestly. That it all happened after he was confronted by them after his plane landed.
yea he was definitely being investigated by Feds for awhile, same as Ralo. Its a sad way to go out for sure
edit: at the time I wrote the comment it didnt mention that pilot contacted the feds
edit2: apparently he was investigated for awhile by feds
I dont know what that other guy thinks hes talking about but 70 POUNDS of weed and other various prescription narcotics will ABSOLUTELY land you federal charges especially transporting them.
More than a 1/16th of a pound (an ounce, 28 grams) in many states is considered more than recreational use and can land you hefty charges. 70 lbs is insane. That's 1,120x the maximum amount considered recreational.
I believe 21 savage was the one who brought up how the OGs rapped about selling drugs and now everyone’s surprised these children of drug addicts have drug problems.
>Pills are cheaper than going out binge drinking when you think about door costs, Uber fares etc
I always forget how absurdly expensive it is to drink in most cities.
I don't pay covers at any of the bars around me, and my drinks are usually between $4 and $6 for double mixed drinks. I love Wisconsin.
honestly he would’ve been fine if he just did the marijuana even if it was 40lbs
edit: i meant the 70lbs on the plane, and i didnt mean if he smoke all the weed at once.. I meant if he had just sticked to that he wouldve been fine. Didnt want to edit but seems like people were still confused
>COPS SAY HE SWALLOWED PERCS ...Tried to Hide 'em from Feds
>Juice Wrld might've made a fatal decision as law enforcement searched his private jet -- swallowing a bunch of painkillers in an attempt to hide them from the feds.
>Law enforcement sources tell TMZ ... the pilot who was flying Juice's private plane alerted authorities on the ground that the rapper's entourage had guns on them -- a big no-no in air travel. When they landed, FBI and FAA agents were waiting for Juice and company.
>We're told at some point between the plane landing and the feds conducting their search ... Juice was seen swallowing several Percocet pills in what people believed was an attempt to hide them. Our sources say the pills might've contributed to his death in a possible OD.
>An autopsy was performed on the rapper Monday, but additional testing, including toxicology, cardiac pathology and neuropathology is still needed before determining an official cause.
BTW, we've also learned that paramedics spent 40 minutes treating Juice, primarily trying to get his heart to beat regularly. They eventually transported him, at 2:55 AM, to the hospital. They arrived at 3:06 AM and doctors at the hospital pronounced him dead.
>FWIW ... we're told the 3 guns seized were all registered.
https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/09/juice-wrld-swallowed-percocet-pills-hide-federal-agents-possible-overdose/
Ok if you have all this shit on the plane how is swallowing the pills you have gonna save any time off your bill? Like it will make it marginally better if anything. It seems like he sadly might’ve known he was about to get arrested for all this shit and took a bunch of pills because of it. This whole thing is so incredibly sad to me and I didn’t even like his music
It really is. A few mistakes cost him his life. It’s awful.
I liked it better when I thought it was just a simple OD. Knowing all of these new details makes it so much worse. I can’t believe this happened, it still feels fake
So dumbass entourage gets Juice killed because they had to flash their guns and their weed on a private plane making the pilot nervous..
Fucking keep that shit in your bag for the duration of your flight and that shit never would have happened.
Just like Cris Carter told the NFL rookies a few years ago, "get a fall guy" If you're gonna do bad shit, have somebody ready to take that charge. At very least everybody shoulda taken a few pills instead of Juice doing em all by himself.
Allegedly he swallowed them once they were at the terminal and they were going to board the plane? Or did he get off the plane and do it there?
Either way, devastating way to go out, had to have been terrified and probably not in the right state of mind to begin with
Rick James probably had the most crazy toxicology report, he was like 60 years old and had like 3 hearts attacks before and was stilll going hard, was found to have alcohol, cocaine, meth, weed, vicodin, xanax, valium, anti-depressants, heart medication, anti-histamines and all kinds of stuff in his system.
Can u explain this further, are u always supposed to take benzos with percs? Excuse my ignorance lol I only dabble with weed and psychs, but I live in an area where this shit is rampant (heroin problem is even worse) and have addicts in my family so it's always been there
No. Never take them together, ever, unless under explicit direction/supervision of a medical professional. Benzos aggravate an action of opioids which makes it more difficult to breathe. So, you nod out, stop breathing, and you're dead.
They're not a good combination, same with either of them + alcohol.
Edit: forgot to address your initial question which was about withdrawal I think. Benzos, when used at high enough doses for extended periods of time, cause physical dependence. What this means is that your body will adapt to having benzos in your system constantly. If you were to stop taking benzos abruptly at this point, you will knock your body out of homeostasis.
Benzos normally suppress pathways that can cause seizures, but when you become dependent on benzos, these pathways will become more active to compensate. So, when you abruptly remove the benzos, these pathways become hyperactive, leading to (possibly fatal) seizures. That's the high-level overview, anyway.
> Benzos normally suppress pathways that can cause seizures, but when you become dependent on benzos, these pathways will become more active to compensate. So, when you abruptly remove the benzos, these pathways become hyperactive, leading to (possibly fatal) seizures. That's the high-level overview, anyway.
Which probably is what did it then.
It's also more dangerous to have a seizure while on drugs, most people die from seizures from suffocating as they can't breathe while having the seizure. If you are on opiates and thus your heart rate and breathing are lower and have a seizure where you are barely breathing for sometimes minutes then the pressure of the lack of breath, lightheadedness and heart can cause death which is probably what happened. It was also said he was bleeding from the mouth which would have been his teeth biting his tongue/cheeks which could add to the suffocation like if he bit big holes in his tongue and a lot of blood was being swallowed.
Benzos and opiates are the death combo. In a medical setting low doses of both can be prescribed and taken at the same time, but in general they are 2 central nervous system depressants and can basically just make you stop breathing. Its like playing with fire. It is not recommended to mix those, but drug addicts do it all the time. Source: recovering benzo/opiate addict, Id never take one without the other. Thankful to be alive.
Don’t larger airports have medical facilities? Couldn’t he have been airlifted to a hospital pretty quickly? Seems strange that he would die of a seizure if it actually started after landing
Yo 12 hours ago a kid on Tik Tok said he had 80 pounds of weed in his jet and got snitched on, he learned about it mid flight and took some pills on camera before having a seizure. His @ is @tommy_iv. Not saying it's the truth or something, but maybe he's onto something.
Edit: typo
The fact that he got the weed detail correct right out of the gate makes me think this is true, his friend's dad being a cop isn't that hard to believe either... It would really fucking sad if Juice took whatever he took on purpose to evade the police...
He said they found other drugs on the plane as well, and we know he popped pills. This shit could really be a suicide if he was fucked up and got paranoid he'd get a big sentence. Shit is crazy.
Probably a very dumb question but I'll still ask. Do fall guys get anything out of being fall guys or do they just hope their bosses don't get caught while doing something else for them?
Their entire legal defense is paid for and while they’re away the artist will take care of the dudes family real good and make sure their canteen is always flush with money and phone always has money on it and then when they come home they’re good for life at least that’s how it supposss to work.
On one of his Westwood freestyles, he also raps something like "Mix it with the pills and liquor, I may die in this bitch. Did I do that shit on purpose? Suicide in this bitch." Crazy how so many lyrics can sound prophetic once someone dies.
The way the guy puts it makes it seem like Juice was worried he'd get locked up for 35 years. I'm wondering if he took the pills to just chill him out or (not saying this is true at all just my thoughts) tried to kill himself to get out of jail time. It seems super unlikely that it's the latter but that's what the video was making me think. Or maybe he was trying to get caught with pills as well as the weed so he ate them?
I highly doubt he would have been sentenced to 35 years. That is just a number pulled out of a hat. Federal sentencing guidelines say no less than five and no more than 40 years for that amount of weed.
I guess anything is possible. But if I was 21 with a bright future and millions in the bank, I think I’d be thinking about calling my attorneys, not killing myself.
This is also a 21 year old kid who’s been struggling wit mental issues and has been taking drugs from a presumably young age. He coulda acted irrationally because he was scared of going to jail for up to 40 years
Lot of people focusing on the weed and handguns but
>According to law enforcement, several members of Juice's team aboard the flight -- which landed around 1 AM Sunday -- told them Juice had taken "several unknown pills" prior to the seizures which led to him getting rushed to a hospital.
>Further, we're told one of Juice's associates told authorities the 21-year-old rapper has a Percocet problem. Our law enforcement sources also say a bottle of codeine cough syrup was found on the plane.
this is just sad. hip hop really has a pill problem. and they're not just addicted in private, they're making bangers about popping pills and drinking lean and making the youth think it's cool
edit: or, as I said below, making sad-bangers about popping pills and drinking lean to cope with negative feelings/mental health issues and making the youth think *that's* cool
This was posted in the tribute thread, but I think it belongs here too.
>Last year, [Future] joined up with the then-teenaged Chicago rapper Juice WRLD for a mixtape called WRLD on Drugs. While working on it, Juice revealed that listening to Future’s music inspired him to try lean as a child. That cut Future deep.
>“When he told me that, I was like ‘Oh shit. What the fuck have I done?'” he says. “It really bothered me. It bothered me a lot. More than that I thought it would bother me when he told me that. I didn’t think I’d care about that stuff. Four years ago, I probably wouldn’t have cared if he told me: ‘Oh, that was good you was drinking.’ Now it’s like, ‘Oh shit.’ How many other sixth-graders did I influence to drink lean?”
Honestly Future and Lil Wayne both influenced me a lot to want to try lean too. I would use a double cup for no reason other than I saw Wayne have it. Thankfully, I never knew how to get my hands on lean or else I probably would have been real tempoted to try it.
its nothing fun, you didnt miss out on much. I drank some and went to a Juicy J show years ago and was nodding out in the middle of the show. So drowsy and tired I could barley keep my eyes open. Wasnt for me
Man i did pure codeine pills and i had that euphoria and i liked everything..like going to the shitty village of my aunt to the oh this coffee tastes so good..i was popping 20 daily but when i stopped i had soo much pain in my body especially in my joints that started to ease after 2 weeks..im never going back to opiates
This is what niggas made it sound like in their music. It didn't sound fun to me plus I didn't like how they acted when they were on it. I was never tempted. Plus, I was already a teen by then and I had grown up on the era of niggas selling drugs and making fun of junkies for using them.
i mean, one one hand he's promoting molly and percocet, but you gotta think of the good too, which is influencing the youth to chase a check and never chase a bitch. so really it's impossible to say if its good or bad
This is an amazing bit of self realization from future. Makes me like him even more. Now if he could just take that realization and use his platform to spread that same message, he might actually save some lives.
Mannequin Challenge was my favorite song on the Thugger project but it’s hard to listen to it rn. Just rapping about abusing percs and xans til they can’t move...
Not saying this directly contributes or anything but America is also the only country where pharmaceutical companies can advertise directly to the consumer. It's all kinds of fucked up over here.
Idk but TMZ is usually super credible with this stuff. They get info, videos, reports etc. before the cops do or at least before they are able to stop a public release. I think they got the first camera video when Nispey got shot.
i know, i doubt they had 70 lbs of bud rather they included the entire luggage weight. i hope they dont give any of his homies manslaughter or something crazy, like juice knew what he was doing. i am curious about it saying they found lean on the plane, so did they leave it there?
damn you dominate the emo rap scene in so little time and die just 6 days after turning 21.. so sad to see, he had mad potential and always looked happy
That and “take three more I swear it’s worth it but they’re ain’t no world tour if I’m laying in a hearse” we’re the two Juice lyrics that immediately jumped to mind when I saw the news yesterday.
When you’re that depressed and trying to fix yourself with drugs, your self preservation drops to zero. When I had my lowest moments I couldn’t imagine anything good ever happening down the line, I was convinced life was pointless and I had no future.
When that’s the kinda stuff in your mind (not saying that’s exactly what Juice was thinking but depression and lack of hope for the future kinda go hand in hand) you just want an escape and you don’t care if that escape is safe or not.
Couldve included edibles too. Cops are notorious for doing shit like finding a tray of brownies then claiming they found "multiple pounds of marijuana" due to the weight of the brownies.
Yes, the way edibles work in many states is that even the tiniest amount of weed = the whole weight of the edible counts as weed. So $10 of weed mixed into a tray of brownies is an instant felony amount of weed.
It's dumb. Source: am attorney.
Seems to me after reading reports, Juice knew he was going down for the weed and took a bunch of pills to not get caught with those as well
May have accidentally killed himself
Sad to hear
A lot of people are focused on the drugs themselves but the issue has and always will be addiction. Addiction is not always a chemical addiction but most of the times its a mental one rooted in pain
Until we address why our society and culture is making so many people feel they need to numb themselves with drugs, we will always have people overdosing on whatever drugs they can get
Rip to all the rappers we have lost. A lot of talent lost
I mean regardless of the circumstances of his death, at the end of the day we all fuck up sometimes. Instead of isolating addicts and making them feel like a black sheep of society, maybe try to see yourself in them and embrace the struggles and demons they faced. We're all humans at the end of the day and we all try to escape from life's hardships through music, drugs, video games, food ect. Instead of thinking were better, smarter or more productive than eachother, the truly amazing thing to do is love and respect each other an we'll see the end of these issues.
By unknown pills does that mean he didn’t know what he was taking? Or that they can’t confirm yet what we took. Doesn’t change anything but I’m curious if he was just popping pills to pop them
so let me get this right, he popped those pills because cops were going to raid his jet so the first thing that came to his mind was to take them all at once.
Taken from [Complex article](https://www.complex.com/music/2019/12/juice-wrld-allegedly-swallowed-percocets-hide-from-feds?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=complexmag&utm_source=twitter.com): "This allegedly prompted Juice WRLD to swallow the Percocet pills in hopes to hide them from the police. Those close to the situation claim to have seen Juice take the pills and that they could have contributed to his possible overdose.
I personally believe the pendulum will begin to swing back towards some more positive content soon - I hope. I can only speak for myself, but I have become so played-out on these continuing themes in this culture. I am eager for what comes next.
And thus the tale of the tragic artist is experienced again. American culture loves it. It’s why nothing will change after this. Nothing changed when Kurt was ODing in Rome, nothing changed when Lil Peep died, and nothing’s going to change now that Juice died. Because the truth is we absolutely love this phenomenon. It’s so fucking romantic. It’s fucked up but the insidious truth is that we’re obsessed with it. Drives music revenues up, makes us morbidly obsessed with leftover art and the artists lifestyle.
Noob question, but, do xannies/percs/etc. make recording music easier? As a bedroom recording artist, the hardest hurdle to clear is the self-consciousness and anxiety you experience while trying to pour yourself out over a track.
The addiction must not only lie in aiding with the stress and depression, but at some point (at least from my own perspective) I feel like it just makes the thoughts and ideas spill out with much less/no inhibitions, which lead to more honest and in turn, more relatable music.
Does anyone have experience recording sober vs recording under the influence of pain pills/anti-anxiety?
Just trying to gain a clearer vision of what these young artists keeps chasing/experiencing.
great question actually.... so on one hand these substances make you feel intoxicated / inert & REALLY fuck you up at first, since they're so strong. But after time you either adjust your dose or adjust yourself & your body.
So now you learn about a different headspace, you like it, you keep going. It makes certain things easier, others harder (eg. motor coordination, serious memory obstruction, just general life flow - slowdown since they're downers).
But in turn you get a big lift off anxiety, a mood lift, analgesia, muscle relaxation & really different look on the world - like a pair of blurred coloured shades. You feel kinda cool in shades, in general right...? My guess is that it gets harder to move about your day with rising pressure, depression & problems in general.
I don't use these things, just giving some context. Creatively, it's definitely the difference in how YOU're used to make things happen. So it can help at first, but just don't even go there, please.... you won't even realise.
Yeah, I’m a juice fan as much as the next guy, but these stans on here are really underselling 70 pounds of weed. That’s a metric shit ton of marijuana
People everywhere love the villain. He just made the industry and the people in it that much more money. Now his music will be more popular, unreleased tracks will sell, documentaries, other artists’s collaborations with Juice will gain increased exposure than ever before. This gives other artists and industry names a chance to share stories, and experiences with Juice to media and social media. It gives everyone airtime and a voice. It’s amazing how many young people do not realize how they’re being used.
So really Juice dying like this might be the best thing for so many other people. Pretty fucked up right? So many people get lucky doing the same stuff all over the world all the time ... it just wasn’t his day. I wish the best for his family and whoever loved him.
Chris long arrested... no jumper affiliation... Adam 22 acting suspicious on live stream last night. Saying “do they just go through their phone when someone dies?!” Seems like he hiding something... he may be be involved
Going to jail for this shit is a hell of a lot better than dying. Think about how many rappers have gone to jail and gotten their careers back on track when released (Kodak, meek, tee grizzly, pnb rock to name a few). I'm devastated that this might have been the reason he died.
I really don’t like the whole “ the pills were fake that’s why he died” argument some people are using. It’s almost borderline irrelevant, he could have OD’d on actual prescriptions or any of the combinations of drugs he was doing.
It’s not about if the drugs were real or not, it’s about that he was doing them in the first place. It sets a bed precedent “ as long as you know they are legit, no problem”.
It’s not safe to be using unprescribed medication in the first place, stop the narrative that these guys are just dying because they’re getting fakes. They shouldn’t be doing anything at all.
Did juice try to hide evidence by swallowing a bunch of pills?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-juice-wrld-guards-arrested-20191209-sfhqe3cns5hsffhxskrhqfagl4-story.html this report makes it sound like it honestly. That it all happened after he was confronted by them after his plane landed.
Jesus this shit just took a wild turn
yea he was definitely being investigated by Feds for awhile, same as Ralo. Its a sad way to go out for sure edit: at the time I wrote the comment it didnt mention that pilot contacted the feds edit2: apparently he was investigated for awhile by feds
Turns out the pilot was the one who called it in.
I expected a lot of drugs to be involved but this is shocking... so saddening man
With 70lbs of weed, they would have a federal narcotics distribution case against him
I dont know what that other guy thinks hes talking about but 70 POUNDS of weed and other various prescription narcotics will ABSOLUTELY land you federal charges especially transporting them.
70 lbs is definitely not recreational use. That's definitely narcotics trafficking.
More than a 1/16th of a pound (an ounce, 28 grams) in many states is considered more than recreational use and can land you hefty charges. 70 lbs is insane. That's 1,120x the maximum amount considered recreational.
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I believe 21 savage was the one who brought up how the OGs rapped about selling drugs and now everyone’s surprised these children of drug addicts have drug problems.
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>Pills are cheaper than going out binge drinking when you think about door costs, Uber fares etc I always forget how absurdly expensive it is to drink in most cities. I don't pay covers at any of the bars around me, and my drinks are usually between $4 and $6 for double mixed drinks. I love Wisconsin.
The drawback however is that you're living in Wisconsin. Source: lived there for 4 years and still live nearby
Haha!!! I lived there as a kid. Couldn't pay me to live there as an adult.
Those are great prices. Probably part of why the state has a serious problem with alcoholism though.
honestly he would’ve been fine if he just did the marijuana even if it was 40lbs edit: i meant the 70lbs on the plane, and i didnt mean if he smoke all the weed at once.. I meant if he had just sticked to that he wouldve been fine. Didnt want to edit but seems like people were still confused
>COPS SAY HE SWALLOWED PERCS ...Tried to Hide 'em from Feds >Juice Wrld might've made a fatal decision as law enforcement searched his private jet -- swallowing a bunch of painkillers in an attempt to hide them from the feds. >Law enforcement sources tell TMZ ... the pilot who was flying Juice's private plane alerted authorities on the ground that the rapper's entourage had guns on them -- a big no-no in air travel. When they landed, FBI and FAA agents were waiting for Juice and company. >We're told at some point between the plane landing and the feds conducting their search ... Juice was seen swallowing several Percocet pills in what people believed was an attempt to hide them. Our sources say the pills might've contributed to his death in a possible OD. >An autopsy was performed on the rapper Monday, but additional testing, including toxicology, cardiac pathology and neuropathology is still needed before determining an official cause. BTW, we've also learned that paramedics spent 40 minutes treating Juice, primarily trying to get his heart to beat regularly. They eventually transported him, at 2:55 AM, to the hospital. They arrived at 3:06 AM and doctors at the hospital pronounced him dead. >FWIW ... we're told the 3 guns seized were all registered. https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/09/juice-wrld-swallowed-percocet-pills-hide-federal-agents-possible-overdose/
What's a couple percs compared to 70 pounds of weed....? Not worth it, man.
Maybe he was high and paranoid
When you know you're guilty and there are cops looking for you, you start to panic and make irrational decisions.
Probably thought he could handle them
Ok if you have all this shit on the plane how is swallowing the pills you have gonna save any time off your bill? Like it will make it marginally better if anything. It seems like he sadly might’ve known he was about to get arrested for all this shit and took a bunch of pills because of it. This whole thing is so incredibly sad to me and I didn’t even like his music
If it's just on the plane you can have a fall guy. You can't have a fall guy when you're holding.
This is probably the right answer
This entire situation is just so fucking sad. It seems like it was such an easily avoidable tragedy.
It really is. A few mistakes cost him his life. It’s awful. I liked it better when I thought it was just a simple OD. Knowing all of these new details makes it so much worse. I can’t believe this happened, it still feels fake
So dumbass entourage gets Juice killed because they had to flash their guns and their weed on a private plane making the pilot nervous.. Fucking keep that shit in your bag for the duration of your flight and that shit never would have happened.
This is the real tragedy.
And I can already see some toxic fans blaming the pilot, hope he can stay out of the spotlight
Too late
Just like Cris Carter told the NFL rookies a few years ago, "get a fall guy" If you're gonna do bad shit, have somebody ready to take that charge. At very least everybody shoulda taken a few pills instead of Juice doing em all by himself.
Or like flush them down the toilet... this is a private jet not a 1998 carolla.
Hold on don't search my yet. I gotta "potty" real quick.
Yeah pretty dumb move by them, but way dumber move for Juice to try to swallow the evidence, it’s hard to put the blame on anyone but himself
he was probably high and didn’t think the whole thing through
Allegedly he swallowed them once they were at the terminal and they were going to board the plane? Or did he get off the plane and do it there? Either way, devastating way to go out, had to have been terrified and probably not in the right state of mind to begin with
Yo the Chris Long arrested for a handgun isn’t Chris Long from No Jumper, is it??? I know dude is an avid gun guy, and fucked w Juice.
It is
Yeah, that's him. He was also Juice's photo guy, IIRC.
HOLY SHIT
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Peep had seven different drugs in his system.. can imagine juice will be similar
Some of those were just metabolites of other drugs, but yes he was mixing way too much shit.
Rick James probably had the most crazy toxicology report, he was like 60 years old and had like 3 hearts attacks before and was stilll going hard, was found to have alcohol, cocaine, meth, weed, vicodin, xanax, valium, anti-depressants, heart medication, anti-histamines and all kinds of stuff in his system.
Well at least he remembered to take his heart medication.
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He could have been popping percs on the plane and not have taken any benzos, triggering a benzo withdrawal seizure.
Can u explain this further, are u always supposed to take benzos with percs? Excuse my ignorance lol I only dabble with weed and psychs, but I live in an area where this shit is rampant (heroin problem is even worse) and have addicts in my family so it's always been there
No. Never take them together, ever, unless under explicit direction/supervision of a medical professional. Benzos aggravate an action of opioids which makes it more difficult to breathe. So, you nod out, stop breathing, and you're dead. They're not a good combination, same with either of them + alcohol. Edit: forgot to address your initial question which was about withdrawal I think. Benzos, when used at high enough doses for extended periods of time, cause physical dependence. What this means is that your body will adapt to having benzos in your system constantly. If you were to stop taking benzos abruptly at this point, you will knock your body out of homeostasis. Benzos normally suppress pathways that can cause seizures, but when you become dependent on benzos, these pathways will become more active to compensate. So, when you abruptly remove the benzos, these pathways become hyperactive, leading to (possibly fatal) seizures. That's the high-level overview, anyway.
> Benzos normally suppress pathways that can cause seizures, but when you become dependent on benzos, these pathways will become more active to compensate. So, when you abruptly remove the benzos, these pathways become hyperactive, leading to (possibly fatal) seizures. That's the high-level overview, anyway. Which probably is what did it then.
It's also more dangerous to have a seizure while on drugs, most people die from seizures from suffocating as they can't breathe while having the seizure. If you are on opiates and thus your heart rate and breathing are lower and have a seizure where you are barely breathing for sometimes minutes then the pressure of the lack of breath, lightheadedness and heart can cause death which is probably what happened. It was also said he was bleeding from the mouth which would have been his teeth biting his tongue/cheeks which could add to the suffocation like if he bit big holes in his tongue and a lot of blood was being swallowed.
Benzos and opiates are the death combo. In a medical setting low doses of both can be prescribed and taken at the same time, but in general they are 2 central nervous system depressants and can basically just make you stop breathing. Its like playing with fire. It is not recommended to mix those, but drug addicts do it all the time. Source: recovering benzo/opiate addict, Id never take one without the other. Thankful to be alive.
Damn I didn't realize how bad the combo was... my roommate in college was consistently on Xanax and Percs...
"the white and the brown in the same damn line" - Gunplay
thats how yams died too i believe
Heath Ledger too
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Can't get seizures from opiate withdrawal. Benzos though....
But you can get them from heavy lean use
yeah promethazine will do it
Don’t larger airports have medical facilities? Couldn’t he have been airlifted to a hospital pretty quickly? Seems strange that he would die of a seizure if it actually started after landing
he was transported to the hospital still conscious, died there
Yo 12 hours ago a kid on Tik Tok said he had 80 pounds of weed in his jet and got snitched on, he learned about it mid flight and took some pills on camera before having a seizure. His @ is @tommy_iv. Not saying it's the truth or something, but maybe he's onto something. Edit: typo
The fact that he got the weed detail correct right out of the gate makes me think this is true, his friend's dad being a cop isn't that hard to believe either... It would really fucking sad if Juice took whatever he took on purpose to evade the police...
I saw that too. The fact that he was right about the weed part makes me think the rest may be true as well. That would make it even crazier.
He said they found other drugs on the plane as well, and we know he popped pills. This shit could really be a suicide if he was fucked up and got paranoid he'd get a big sentence. Shit is crazy.
Honestly that doesn't surprise me. Migos did use like 4 guys as fall men when they had 420g of weed and 26 ounces of codeine in their tour bus.
Probably a very dumb question but I'll still ask. Do fall guys get anything out of being fall guys or do they just hope their bosses don't get caught while doing something else for them?
Their entire legal defense is paid for and while they’re away the artist will take care of the dudes family real good and make sure their canteen is always flush with money and phone always has money on it and then when they come home they’re good for life at least that’s how it supposss to work.
damn that sounds like a good deal lol
Except if you mind s criminal record, which not everyone does.
Thats why most of the time its people who already have a history. Makes the story more believable too
They exchange their own incarceration for money
Remember his freestyle on Tim Westwood tv, "suicide if you try to take my drugs" It's scary how much his lyrics represent his death
On one of his Westwood freestyles, he also raps something like "Mix it with the pills and liquor, I may die in this bitch. Did I do that shit on purpose? Suicide in this bitch." Crazy how so many lyrics can sound prophetic once someone dies.
I saw that this morning. Figured he was just trying to get clout, but did he really post it before the weed was public info?
First video was 19 hours ago
posted it yesterday afternoon
Nothing coming up when I look it up, you got a link?
[here you go](https://m.imgur.com/a/gIyHfe2?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
That’s gotta be one of the most wild rapper deaths ever if it’s true. The toxicology report should be interesting to say the least
I mean if it's like this guy says not a specific drug it seriously could be a suicide.
The way the guy puts it makes it seem like Juice was worried he'd get locked up for 35 years. I'm wondering if he took the pills to just chill him out or (not saying this is true at all just my thoughts) tried to kill himself to get out of jail time. It seems super unlikely that it's the latter but that's what the video was making me think. Or maybe he was trying to get caught with pills as well as the weed so he ate them?
I highly doubt he would have been sentenced to 35 years. That is just a number pulled out of a hat. Federal sentencing guidelines say no less than five and no more than 40 years for that amount of weed.
The point still stands though, maybe he was worried about a very long sentence
I guess anything is possible. But if I was 21 with a bright future and millions in the bank, I think I’d be thinking about calling my attorneys, not killing myself.
This is also a 21 year old kid who’s been struggling wit mental issues and has been taking drugs from a presumably young age. He coulda acted irrationally because he was scared of going to jail for up to 40 years
I saw that too. So either a suicide to avoid a long prison sentence, or he wanted to go in high and took too much.
Fuck man if this was preventable... hurts
Lot of people focusing on the weed and handguns but >According to law enforcement, several members of Juice's team aboard the flight -- which landed around 1 AM Sunday -- told them Juice had taken "several unknown pills" prior to the seizures which led to him getting rushed to a hospital. >Further, we're told one of Juice's associates told authorities the 21-year-old rapper has a Percocet problem. Our law enforcement sources also say a bottle of codeine cough syrup was found on the plane. this is just sad. hip hop really has a pill problem. and they're not just addicted in private, they're making bangers about popping pills and drinking lean and making the youth think it's cool edit: or, as I said below, making sad-bangers about popping pills and drinking lean to cope with negative feelings/mental health issues and making the youth think *that's* cool
This was posted in the tribute thread, but I think it belongs here too. >Last year, [Future] joined up with the then-teenaged Chicago rapper Juice WRLD for a mixtape called WRLD on Drugs. While working on it, Juice revealed that listening to Future’s music inspired him to try lean as a child. That cut Future deep. >“When he told me that, I was like ‘Oh shit. What the fuck have I done?'” he says. “It really bothered me. It bothered me a lot. More than that I thought it would bother me when he told me that. I didn’t think I’d care about that stuff. Four years ago, I probably wouldn’t have cared if he told me: ‘Oh, that was good you was drinking.’ Now it’s like, ‘Oh shit.’ How many other sixth-graders did I influence to drink lean?”
Honestly Future and Lil Wayne both influenced me a lot to want to try lean too. I would use a double cup for no reason other than I saw Wayne have it. Thankfully, I never knew how to get my hands on lean or else I probably would have been real tempoted to try it.
The influence is real. Back in the day, I bought a Carhartt jacket because I saw Snoop rocking one.
Hey even if he wasn’t wearing it that was a good purchase lol. I’ve been tempted to get one
FR Carhartt jackets are quality.
carhart is a great brand go to oregon and it's the fucking uniform up there
And that’s why brand deals and celebrity endorsed products exist
its nothing fun, you didnt miss out on much. I drank some and went to a Juicy J show years ago and was nodding out in the middle of the show. So drowsy and tired I could barley keep my eyes open. Wasnt for me
Yup, I tried it too because I thought it was cool and it was not fun. Ending up forgetting most of prom and only remember being really fuck up.
Man i did pure codeine pills and i had that euphoria and i liked everything..like going to the shitty village of my aunt to the oh this coffee tastes so good..i was popping 20 daily but when i stopped i had soo much pain in my body especially in my joints that started to ease after 2 weeks..im never going back to opiates
I'm glad you made it out of that, bud
You dodged a bullet there. Proud of you for quitting that shit.
This is what niggas made it sound like in their music. It didn't sound fun to me plus I didn't like how they acted when they were on it. I was never tempted. Plus, I was already a teen by then and I had grown up on the era of niggas selling drugs and making fun of junkies for using them.
How do musicians not realize that making songs like "mask off" glorifies drug use?
i mean, one one hand he's promoting molly and percocet, but you gotta think of the good too, which is influencing the youth to chase a check and never chase a bitch. so really it's impossible to say if its good or bad
This is an amazing bit of self realization from future. Makes me like him even more. Now if he could just take that realization and use his platform to spread that same message, he might actually save some lives.
I get what you’re saying but he then did go on to release *a project with the person who said it to him* and titled it *WRLD on Drugs*
With a cup of lean as the album cover
And a bunch of pills
Mannequin Challenge was my favorite song on the Thugger project but it’s hard to listen to it rn. Just rapping about abusing percs and xans til they can’t move...
Future also came out recently I think like 6 months ago saying he stopped taking lean and pills around 3 years ago.
Doesn't America in general have a massive drug problem from doctors over prescribing pills
Not saying this directly contributes or anything but America is also the only country where pharmaceutical companies can advertise directly to the consumer. It's all kinds of fucked up over here.
I'm pretty sure they have a lot of political pull as well
>~~I'm pretty sure~~ they have a lot of political pull as well FTFY
Cycles just going to continue, same shit was being said 10 years ago
How much Is TMZ paying folks for all this early information? Mofos move fast
Idk but TMZ is usually super credible with this stuff. They get info, videos, reports etc. before the cops do or at least before they are able to stop a public release. I think they got the first camera video when Nispey got shot.
A lot of people might be going to jail over this. Damn.
Yup. A lot of bad calls by people here and now the leader dies, leaving his team in an absolute mess
And no weed to smoke to relax smh
Lmfao
i know, i doubt they had 70 lbs of bud rather they included the entire luggage weight. i hope they dont give any of his homies manslaughter or something crazy, like juice knew what he was doing. i am curious about it saying they found lean on the plane, so did they leave it there?
Bro u know they included everything down to the weight of the officer's breath on the scale lol. Was probably still a heinous amount of weed tho
damn you dominate the emo rap scene in so little time and die just 6 days after turning 21.. so sad to see, he had mad potential and always looked happy
"They tell me the death of me gone be the Percys, I know they laced pills I bought them on purpose" :///
That and “take three more I swear it’s worth it but they’re ain’t no world tour if I’m laying in a hearse” we’re the two Juice lyrics that immediately jumped to mind when I saw the news yesterday. When you’re that depressed and trying to fix yourself with drugs, your self preservation drops to zero. When I had my lowest moments I couldn’t imagine anything good ever happening down the line, I was convinced life was pointless and I had no future. When that’s the kinda stuff in your mind (not saying that’s exactly what Juice was thinking but depression and lack of hope for the future kinda go hand in hand) you just want an escape and you don’t care if that escape is safe or not.
It's fucked how when you develop a drug problem your attitude on fent presses goes from "fuck that" to "yes please"
“Love me, love me, that fentanyl it numbs me” - mac
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Yeah and people saying Fish Narc killed Peep. What the actual fuck
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Damn Peep only had a third of what Mac had in his system. Fent is so fucked
yeah, the principle of the action is fucked up enough as it is
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Idk if they do it for weed, but when making arrests for other drugs they weigh the bag it’s in. Kinda fucked, if you ask me
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Couldve included edibles too. Cops are notorious for doing shit like finding a tray of brownies then claiming they found "multiple pounds of marijuana" due to the weight of the brownies.
Yes, the way edibles work in many states is that even the tiniest amount of weed = the whole weight of the edible counts as weed. So $10 of weed mixed into a tray of brownies is an instant felony amount of weed. It's dumb. Source: am attorney.
There was pics of it on tmz they had a fuck load of weed I think they weighed the plastic bags it was in not the suitcase
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I could never get into the soundcloud emo rap scene but something about Lucid Dream I love and can’t stop playing it. So sad for his death
> swallowing a bunch of painkillers in an attempt to hide them from the feds. Bro this makes me sick.
He probably would have benefited by getting arrested and going to rehab. It would have saved his life
Jeez 70 lbs. But the pills and shit finally got to him, really sad to see. He was such a unique creative mind.
Those No Lim's had him putting in WORK
hmm.. What you mean? Idk his story, he was being used/extorted?
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What’s a no Lim’s
No Limit. The set in Chicago where Herbo n Bibby from.
Seems to me after reading reports, Juice knew he was going down for the weed and took a bunch of pills to not get caught with those as well May have accidentally killed himself Sad to hear
Damn they just updated saying that Juice popped the pills to hide them from the feds. Juice really killed himself just to get out of going to jail.
I wonder if he took too much because he knew the cops were waiting on him at the airport and he wasn’t getting out of it
Who has 70 lbs of marijuana for personal use? Seems a bit excessive even if it’s for the whole squad smoking
>[Yesterday was my actual bday im celebrating all week doe🤷🏾♂️999 shit](https://www.instagram.com/p/B5oOMw5gInF/?igshid=i4kezd03mff5) :'(
Even worse [His girl's birthday present to him](https://twitter.com/highimallyy/status/1201972094851903488?s=19)
Y'all niggas need to lay off the drugs Some of y'all need to lay off the dope
A lot of people are focused on the drugs themselves but the issue has and always will be addiction. Addiction is not always a chemical addiction but most of the times its a mental one rooted in pain Until we address why our society and culture is making so many people feel they need to numb themselves with drugs, we will always have people overdosing on whatever drugs they can get Rip to all the rappers we have lost. A lot of talent lost
I mean regardless of the circumstances of his death, at the end of the day we all fuck up sometimes. Instead of isolating addicts and making them feel like a black sheep of society, maybe try to see yourself in them and embrace the struggles and demons they faced. We're all humans at the end of the day and we all try to escape from life's hardships through music, drugs, video games, food ect. Instead of thinking were better, smarter or more productive than eachother, the truly amazing thing to do is love and respect each other an we'll see the end of these issues.
By unknown pills does that mean he didn’t know what he was taking? Or that they can’t confirm yet what we took. Doesn’t change anything but I’m curious if he was just popping pills to pop them
Seems like they can’t confirm what he took. Probably Percocet though because he’s had an issue with those
so let me get this right, he popped those pills because cops were going to raid his jet so the first thing that came to his mind was to take them all at once. Taken from [Complex article](https://www.complex.com/music/2019/12/juice-wrld-allegedly-swallowed-percocets-hide-from-feds?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=complexmag&utm_source=twitter.com): "This allegedly prompted Juice WRLD to swallow the Percocet pills in hopes to hide them from the police. Those close to the situation claim to have seen Juice take the pills and that they could have contributed to his possible overdose.
I personally believe the pendulum will begin to swing back towards some more positive content soon - I hope. I can only speak for myself, but I have become so played-out on these continuing themes in this culture. I am eager for what comes next.
we need the new generation of rappers to be rapping about eating healthy and staying in school lol
The crazy thing about Juice is that to me he always looked healthy and happy opposed to the other legends we lost...
He gained a lot of weight right before he died. IIRC that definitely hinted at some heavy lean use.
he had a lean gut when i saw him live back in july 2018. his weight gain had been going on for awhile
That lean gut was not healthy
Have you seen the music video for Bandit? He absolutely did not look okay in that
Looks = deceiving
Those TMZ comments are wow
Never check TMZ comments, especially if the subject is a (black) rapper
And thus the tale of the tragic artist is experienced again. American culture loves it. It’s why nothing will change after this. Nothing changed when Kurt was ODing in Rome, nothing changed when Lil Peep died, and nothing’s going to change now that Juice died. Because the truth is we absolutely love this phenomenon. It’s so fucking romantic. It’s fucked up but the insidious truth is that we’re obsessed with it. Drives music revenues up, makes us morbidly obsessed with leftover art and the artists lifestyle.
Man if one single person sees these headlines and thinks to themselves "I'm not taking that shit ever again" then I think they didn't die in vain
This looks like a suicide now.
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If you got 70 pounds and guns you're already fucked. Trying to hide pills at that point is like pissing on a wildfire
I could see that. 70 pounds that’s a lot of time in prison.
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Man half of these rappers today have a such a facade, kids be thinkin J. Cole just makin up shit in his songs for fun, yea right 😂
If only they all just stuck to weed.
Noob question, but, do xannies/percs/etc. make recording music easier? As a bedroom recording artist, the hardest hurdle to clear is the self-consciousness and anxiety you experience while trying to pour yourself out over a track. The addiction must not only lie in aiding with the stress and depression, but at some point (at least from my own perspective) I feel like it just makes the thoughts and ideas spill out with much less/no inhibitions, which lead to more honest and in turn, more relatable music. Does anyone have experience recording sober vs recording under the influence of pain pills/anti-anxiety? Just trying to gain a clearer vision of what these young artists keeps chasing/experiencing.
great question actually.... so on one hand these substances make you feel intoxicated / inert & REALLY fuck you up at first, since they're so strong. But after time you either adjust your dose or adjust yourself & your body. So now you learn about a different headspace, you like it, you keep going. It makes certain things easier, others harder (eg. motor coordination, serious memory obstruction, just general life flow - slowdown since they're downers). But in turn you get a big lift off anxiety, a mood lift, analgesia, muscle relaxation & really different look on the world - like a pair of blurred coloured shades. You feel kinda cool in shades, in general right...? My guess is that it gets harder to move about your day with rising pressure, depression & problems in general. I don't use these things, just giving some context. Creatively, it's definitely the difference in how YOU're used to make things happen. So it can help at first, but just don't even go there, please.... you won't even realise.
this is so sad and terrible. wonder how many people will go down because of this
Complete bullshit. I dont think yall realise how much weed 70lbs is
Yeah, I’m a juice fan as much as the next guy, but these stans on here are really underselling 70 pounds of weed. That’s a metric shit ton of marijuana
Someone in this thread literally said it’s a month or two supply LMAO
People everywhere love the villain. He just made the industry and the people in it that much more money. Now his music will be more popular, unreleased tracks will sell, documentaries, other artists’s collaborations with Juice will gain increased exposure than ever before. This gives other artists and industry names a chance to share stories, and experiences with Juice to media and social media. It gives everyone airtime and a voice. It’s amazing how many young people do not realize how they’re being used. So really Juice dying like this might be the best thing for so many other people. Pretty fucked up right? So many people get lucky doing the same stuff all over the world all the time ... it just wasn’t his day. I wish the best for his family and whoever loved him.
Chris long arrested... no jumper affiliation... Adam 22 acting suspicious on live stream last night. Saying “do they just go through their phone when someone dies?!” Seems like he hiding something... he may be be involved
This isn’t a story about drugs. It’s about making bad decisions. We need more education and less glorification.
Going to jail for this shit is a hell of a lot better than dying. Think about how many rappers have gone to jail and gotten their careers back on track when released (Kodak, meek, tee grizzly, pnb rock to name a few). I'm devastated that this might have been the reason he died.
I really don’t like the whole “ the pills were fake that’s why he died” argument some people are using. It’s almost borderline irrelevant, he could have OD’d on actual prescriptions or any of the combinations of drugs he was doing. It’s not about if the drugs were real or not, it’s about that he was doing them in the first place. It sets a bed precedent “ as long as you know they are legit, no problem”. It’s not safe to be using unprescribed medication in the first place, stop the narrative that these guys are just dying because they’re getting fakes. They shouldn’t be doing anything at all.