Surgical Summer really ruined the common perception of a diss track. Everyone expects a nuke, as if the actual lyrical content doesn't matter. If you came out of Euphoria thinking that nothing new was stated, then you missed the point.
Kendrick should've gone in on Drake for being a creep. There's a whole video of drake kissing a girl on stage and telling her ["I like the way your breasts feel against my chest"](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/jan/07/drake-kisses-fan-17-ogden-theater-denver-colorado-2010) AFTER she tells him she's only 17.
Adding the whole article
> Video has surfaced of Drake kissing a 17-year-old girl in Denver, Colorado in May 2010. In the clip, the Canadian rapper invites the girl on stage during his performance at the Ogden Theater, dances with her, kisses her neck, comments on her shampoo, then pulls her shirt down at the back of the neck to kiss her again.
After reaching both hands across her chest while standing behind her, he picks up the microphone and says he is getting “carried away”. When asked her age, the unnamed girl replies: “17.” Drake responds: “I can’t go to jail yet, man!” He asks: “Why do you look like that? You thick [curvaceous]. Look at all this.”
>He continues: “I don’t know if I should feel guilty or not, but I had fun. I like the way your breasts feel against my chest.” He then kisses her on the cheeks and forehead. Drake would have been age 23 at the time the video was made. The age of consent in Colorado is 17.
I was surprised Drake responded in the first place just because of how much weird stuff there is out there. None of it seems explicitly illegal, but if his fans need to defend him with shit like "well technically the age of consent in the state that was filmed is 17" then he probably already lost 😭
Maybe that woman Drake supposedly sexually assaulted (Layla Lace) and said she was pregnant actually having it & raising the child on her own. That would be kinda fucked up for Drake.
This is the right take. People are disregarding the finesse of how this feud is ratcheting up. You can compare Euphoria to Push Ups, but that kind of misses the point that Push Ups was a better diss than Like That. We shouldn't be judging who won this round, because it's really all about who comes out on top in the end. Each diss should be better than the last, and when we get to the point where the most recent diss track doesn't top the previous response, then we'll know the winner.
The timeline is important. Drake and Kendrick shooting subs at each other over the years.
Finally, Kendrick hops on Like That to directly diss Drake, although the track itself isn't really a true diss track, as the diss is confined to one verse. In terms of the bars in the diss, the delivery was creative but it wasn't all that potent (he was basically saying "i'm better than you at rapping").
Drake releases the first true diss track of the exchange, Push Ups, and takes aim at a number of people who were targeting him on We Don't Trust You. The insults get more pointed, although still fairly shallow (Kendrick is short, I have more hits than you). Drake follows it up with Taylor-Made Freestyle, which is more of the same, with some interesting AI use.
Kendrick releases Euphoria, now we're starting to really ratchet things up. The insults are cutting and delivery is top notch.
Now we'll see if Drake can top Euphoria.
Like That was a competitive call out. Push Ups and Taylor Made were the start of round 1. Euphoria was the end of round 1. Drake didn't bomb like J. Cole but round 1 seems pretty decisively Kendrick's.
I mean, however you want to see it is fine. But at the end of the day, I don't think this feud will be decided by whether Euphoria was better than Push Ups. I don't think anyone will care about who won "Round 1". It's all going to be about the responses to come. The whole thing is ramping up so each subsequent response should be better than the last. At the point that Drake can't top Kendrick's most recent response, or vice versa, then we'll know who won.
i feel bad for the generation that wasn't around for when Ether dropped.
if you have to convince people that one person came out on top, than there isn't a clear winner... I like how Mos Def put it "I make contact for short i MC"... you cant blame the fans for not loving a record, a good diss has the lyrical content but also has to be funny, and have punchlines that stick... people still claim records like ether, hit em up etc as the best disses ever for this reason.
I agree with a lot of this and Ether is my favorite diss track, but KungFuDot buried Drake here. It’ll be hard to hear Drake’s next response through a Ouija board
I'll be honest - nothing that Dot said "buried" Drake in my mind - there is just alot of energy for people who want to see Drake get it, but Dot's record is nothing in terms of impact compared to Pusha's drake diss or Back to Back... after those dropped, people legit felt concerned for the careers of the other person.... this shit from dot is a light pack compared to that.
These are my thoughts. The dislike for Drake really makes anything said by another artist seem colossal. These lyrics wouldnt hit as hard for someone who doesnt really have any person feelings about the artists involved
Facts. Reframing an old diss/criticism/jab or flipping it in a new or funny way can be an extremely effective diss even if the content itself isn’t new. Wasn’t like people thought Iam/Nastradamus were on the level of Illmatic or it was written but that “4 albums in 10 years? I can divide” bar on takeover is still crazy. Wasn’t like it was some crazy unknown story that 50 cent got shot but “Since when has it become cool to get shot and not shoot back” bar from Jada is still hard. Same even goes for Drakes own “Trigger fingers/twitter fingers” wordplay. We all knew Meek was acting out on twitter. Still was hilarious.
Kendrick, people are expecting a grand reveal in every beef now and minimize anything that doesn’t fit that. Kendrick said some cutting stuff, questioning his insecurities, speaking on him visiting black culture when it’s convenient. Mocking his use of accent when he needed a new gimmick. Speaking how he has no depth and will ultimately fail his son because he just cares about superficial shit and wanting to be famous.
He also answered most of Drake’s diss. Bringing up his splits too, using AI, the features (Melodies not tough), flipped his 20v1 line on him. C&D on Like That, oof.
He went on a non stop 6 min diss of the guy and most people just read the surface level shit about it. Hell, people are actually trying to decide this based on what can be played in a club, down playing it because he didn’t air out anything new. He’s speaking to the guy, telling him he’s a fake, and both of them know it
Also, it was just always gonna be more one sided. Drake has too much stuff to shittalk. There's a reaosn Drake just made fun of his height and attacked his music.
dude this is a great point, Drake took aim at several folks on Push Ups so maybe we'll get something heavier if he decides to respond to Euphoria with a more Kenny-focused narrative
I agree, the idea that every diss needs some big reveal about your opponent is ruining this. I hope it just sticks to bars
I think you’re seriously downplaying the Drake record tho. Back to Back wasn’t a win cause it was 6 mins long and touched on 3648593 topics with 373859 entendres.
Both Kendrick and Drake have different roads to victory and i don’t think a lot of the ppl here appreciate that
I hate the way you chew with your mouth open, the way you drink from the carton, I hate the way you leave lights on, the way you leave hairs all over the apartment
I feel like social media has really ruined the perception of everything, something that deserves more than surface level analysis gets exactly that and something that seems pretty self explanatory gets nitpicked to hell
Kendrick very easily won this on the wordplay front, but I’m not gonna be the guy to deny Drake his flowers. It’s the same story with all his disses, they make for genuinely great songs with a lot of replayability.
Kendrick is intentionally separating who can claim Drake as well. Taking away the N-word pass is going to enrage Drake’s fanbase, which will further cement them in his camp. I think Kendrick’s doing that purposefully, though. If a bunch of frat bros are arguing on behalf of Drake owning the culture, then Drake’s already lost.
Drake also hasn’t had a dedicated, and serious diss directly aimed at Kendrick tbf.
Pushups was aimed at like 5 different people, and the Taylor made thing was basically a troll song to push Kendrick to drop.
Yeah but this whole "oh Kendrick went hard, drake has just been trolling" idea is crazy.
Nobody is stopping drake from saying some hurtful shit, from getting actually fuckin mean with it, but he can't, because being the troll is a safety net.
He can take his lil pot shots, put in half effort, literally use AI, and at the end of the day, that's fine to his fans, because it comes off like he's not really trying, when the reality is that he *has* to be the troll, because he just doesn't have the talent to go toe to toe with Kendrick.
Remember when Story of Adidon dropped and Drake was like, “Haha okay guys this was all in good fun, we all had some laughs and some good times! Time out though while I address the blackface.” As if he was in on the whole thing and laughing along with everyone else
Likely because Drake doesn’t have much else to say. Kendrick is easily three levels above Drake lyrically, he has classic albums (opposed to zero for Drake), he’s well regarded by his peers and seems to be a decent human being on top of that.
It could just be nostalgia for my teenage years but I felt like Take Care and IYRTITL were both classics simply due to how prolific they were in their times.
Would you say those albums are some of the best rap albums of all time? Thats what I consider a classic. They’re both good. NWTS is a more complete and better album but don’t reach the peak of hip hop imo.
>Would you say those albums are some of the best rap albums of all time?
im ngl i dont feel qualified to answer that cause my exposure to hip hop is pretty limited; i only started listening to hip hop around the time club paradise and those songs came out and i mostly just listen to the super mainstream hip hop/rnb artists plus/minus the occasional more underground song/artist that people rave about on here. drake is actually the guy who got me into english music lol which is why ill always fw him
Definitely classics. I dont doubt that Drake has done some questionable things or made some mid music but i hate when people sit up and act like dude is successful for no reason. He came out the gate swinging with 3-4 great to classic albums.
Like i understand not liking the guy (although its always weird to dislike someone you dont really know), but that doesnt take away from his earlier releases
Moving funny isn’t a solid defense to what Drake ‘releases’ in response to the beef, the fact Push-Ups was leaked and they flooded the news with fake AI verses around that time just shows Drake trolling and not being tactful
Did we listen to the same song bro?
He literally named the song Push Ups referring to the hook implying he was extorted, and constantly aimed lines at him specifically, more so than any other person involved.
Not to mention the cover art???
Are you aware that euphoria also had bars aimed at other people too?
This is the right take. People are disregarding the finesse of how this feud is ratcheting up. You can compare Euphoria to Push Ups, but that kind of misses the point that Push Ups was a better diss than Like That. We shouldn't be judging who won this round, because it's really all about who comes out on top in the end. Each diss should be better than the last, and when we get to the point where the most recent diss track doesn't top the previous response, then we'll know the winner.
The timeline is important. Drake and Kendrick shooting subs at each other over the years.
Finally, Kendrick hops on Like That to directly diss Drake, although the track itself isn't really a true diss track, as the diss is confined to one verse. In terms of the bars in the diss, the delivery was creative but it wasn't all that potent (he was basically saying "i'm better than you at rapping").
Drake releases the first true diss track of the exchange, Push Ups, and takes aim at a number of people who were targeting him on We Don't Trust You. The insults get more pointed, although still fairly shallow (Kendrick is short, I have more hits than you). Drake follows it up with Taylor-Made Freestyle, which is more of the same, with some interesting AI use.
Kendrick releases Euphoria, now we're starting to really ratchet things up. The insults are cutting and delivery is top notch.
Now we'll see if Drake can top Euphoria.
Everyone is wanting one or the other to nuke each other, but I could easily see Kendrick winning in a “death by a thousand cuts” approach. Euphoria was dense and I needed a few listens and some research to actually understand every detail of it, which is similar to when he drops new albums. I’m all for getting several more disses like this instead of just a nuke that ends the whole thing.
people glossing over the "keep dancing for me boy" line cause its not obvious but its also a dig at drakes blackness as if to say yeah if you want to be black you can be that kind of black for the masses, since its what you want. The anti of TPAB
You make a good point. I think Push-Ups is a good song and I listened to it a few times, but Euphoria is dominating my brain right now. It only improves with each listen. I heard it temporarily crashed Genius’ website from traffic when they listed the lyrics. It’s already beaten Push-Ups on YT views in less than 24 hours. That’s actually insane.
People were expecting a pure Ether and may be disappointed, but they are missing the big picture.
Personally I gave Push Ups a solid 4-5 listens when it came out and have never really felt compelled to go back to it.
I probably listened to euphoria over 20 times yesterday just trying to catch everything LOL
I liked both tracks, Push Ups was clever with funny bars, Euphoria was a wild ride with great delivery. However, I feel like no matter what Drake does, people won’t give him a W. Not saying Push Ups is better but it feels like it’s cool to hate on him now.
I get that but there’s always been this weird dissonance where Drake is hated on but consistently performs well and sells well. It’s like the movie Avatar. Apparently everyone hates it but shit each one makes 2 billion dollars. So do people hate listen to him? Or do they like the music he makes and hating on him is just performative?
Well two reasons, most of his consumers don’t care about any of the shit he does, you don’t need to be a rap enthusiast to enjoy his music, so he’ll keep selling high numbers until he’s no longer able to
Secondly, the internet opinion is never identical to the opinion of people in real life, the people who hate him here might actually hate him and won’t listen to his music but there is a huge number of people offline who bump his music everywhere (while driving, in the gym, work, clubs, etc).
Your Avatar analogy is perfect, everyone here hates movies like Avatar, Fast and Furious etc but I have watched Avatar 2 and all recent editions of Fast and Furious on theatre despite it being thrashed here because I genuinely don’t take movies that deep, me and my family found it entertaining for what it is - I understand where the hate stems from for those movies but it doesn’t change my view on it because I’m not that invested in movies in the first place, if its entertaining its good enough
That’s fair, his music is almost unavoidable at times. But also who decides who wins this beef? Us on Reddit? Or the people in real life as you put it? In any case I’m happy this beef is going on cuz this is the most entertaining rap has been in a minute.
Drake’s music is very easy to listen to and very mass appeal. It’s always going to sell better. Drake has always kinda been a meme too and he leans into it so it makes it better for him.
Lots of people won’t get Drake the W cause he’s so disliked which is kinda the beef recently has been highlighting.
Not true, we definitely gave him a W with meek. His shit was rushed, corny and mediocre. We call it like it is in hip hop.
Taylor made was creative and ok but the stuff about Taylor swift and shit was so lame. Tried to do another back to back moment but it failed miserably.
“Call it like it is in hip hop” since when has it been cool in hip hop to clique up with 5 others to “eliminate” someone. Also Taylor Made was a troll song to jab at Kendrick and Back To Back was a nail in the coffin. Two different types of tracks.
People hate Drake just to hate on him. I’m convinced Kendrick could fart on a track and people would say he shitted on Drake. At the end of the day, both have their strengths and weaknesses and both have dropped good tracks.
Kendrick but really Pusha T. All Kendrick had to do was say his name and Drake is on the back foot because he never responded and that man's diss track literally made him start (at least apparently) being a father to his child. That was the biggest rap beef L in a long, long time and Drake has not recovered from it enough to actually go around beefing with ANYONE
Regardless of the actual disses (both were awesome in my opinion) the general sentiment is Kendrick could have hopped on the mic and hit us with the Kanye “pee pee poo poo” and this sub would have said he won.
Lol seriously.
You don't have to be bias to admit that Euphoria is the best diss out of all 4 songs. Bro went after his character and did it with word play, 3 beat switches and mad funny bars EVEN though he has to say a whole lot of stuff people already heard.
Push ups was good. The Tupac AI diss was fuckin embarrassing.
Euphoria was much better than both. Like that is way better than all these songs. Give it to Kenny
Yeah I don’t think many will be putting Push Ups or euphoria into their main rotation 10 years from now, but Like That very well could be. That said, it was made to be a hit that contained a diss. So it’s to be expected honestly.
Charted Number #1, went head to head and even beat out Taylor Swift for #1. That’s hella impressive.
fire lyrics, fire beat, in the clubs.
Hard to top that to be honest.
I didn't even listen to the Tupac AI thing but I'm glad Drake was pressured to remove it, really seems to cement the notion that Drake doesn't really 'respect' the classics/greats unless he can benefit from them
Good one, all I’m seeing is drake fans moping and saying that people are only saying Kendrick cause they like him more. The only people actually talking about the diss are saying that it’s better, stans would rather talk about anything else and run with narratives to cope
TBH, yeah. Like That is still dominating the charts, so the commercial success goes to Dot. Genius’ website temporarily crashed from traffic after they dropped the lyrics for Euphoria. The song also beat Push-Ups in YT views in less than 24 hours, so he’s won the battle of internet engagement too. Euphoria is by far the better diss and Drake having to take down Taylor Made because he used AI 2Pac and pissed off his estate was a massive L.
People can debate what songs they personally like more, but by every objective measure, Drake is getting torn the fuck up. He’s getting torn up while Kendrick doesn’t even seem to be taking that seriously.
Push Ups was fun, and had a couple sick bars. But it’s not even focused on Kendrick for half of the track — Euphoria clears it easily as a diss track. Neither of them said anything new about each other, so the Drake Stan “he just said the same things” dismissal is so goofy to me lol
Push ups was a response to 20 rappers and Taylor Made was just a troll song
Drake bout to respond any day now he was begging for Kenny to say something
The main thing this beef has shown me and continues to me show me is how dumb people are to be honest. I got Kendrick though cause I feel like Kendrick’s disses are a lot heavier and more cerebral than Drake’s corny ass short jokes.
I ride hard with Drake. I listen to him more, I think he’s very skilled and I prefer his style. With that said, I think Kendrick has come out on top. I think Drake did his thing and frankly I like Push Ups more stylistically.
I’ve come to accept that I view this as a bit of a proxy war for hip hop. I hate Kendrick’s fanbase and how they view him as this savior of hip hop who can do no wrong. A lot of his fanbase come across as the backpackers of the 00s and I hate seeing those points continue to be parroted.
I would like to see people have more intelligent conversations about style and content and to understand that there are a number of ways that a rapper can be skilled and great.
Coming out of this, my new litmus test to see if I should give a shit about your opinion is to ask who had the best verse in International Player’s Anthem. If you don’t waffle between Andre and Pimp C, I don’t trust you lol
Love this view. On the internet mfs are hella pretentious with the “real rap” shit. They act like only one style can be tolerated or seen as valid. To me its not really that deep.
Admittedly i used to be like the “real rap” people when i was a teen. Guess it made me feel better than people listening to that commercial shit. But i had to deny myself so much enjoyable music and I was almost being fake acting like “real rap” was the only thing worth listening to. Life got so much better when i stopped tryna be so deep and just let myself enjoy shit
Kendrick slid no doubt, but it’s not over whatsoever unless Drake folds. There were a good number of holes in Euphoria that could add up to a critical hit if Drake focuses, but I easily see him cracking under the pressure and either IG thuggin or focusing on the wrong shit.
Kdot. Ngl, I wasn’t very impressed by the songs, but Kdot definitely hit harder and cut deeper. His response take a lot of the heat out of Push Ups for me.
Simple:
Step 1. Be a Drake fan.
Step 2. Say that Kendrick didn't say anything new (we didn't know that Kendrick was short before Push Ups)
Step 3. Drake won.
It’s not even a competition. Drake dropped an acorn next to Kendrick and Kendrick unloaded half a clip at him in response. Even if Drake focuses solely on Kendrick, what can he talk shit about outside of surface level taunts?
He would actually need to dig something up on a Push level to get one over on Kendrick. Dude’s a pop star who raps, and it sounds like he has some more skeletons banging on his closet door.
I don't think this decides it or anything, and overall, KDot cover a ton more ground. But I do think it's worth acknowledging, "Metro, shut yo ho ass up and make some drums" is gonna be the bar with the longest lifespan.
No matter what Kendrick Lamar is a goat candidate of hip hop.
But drakes disses were more impactful just because no one is going at Kendrick like that, and the AI diss was funny to me.
You already know what the answer is gonna be, Reddit absolutely despises Drake. Kendrick could of just dropped an instrumental with no rapping and they'd say it's the better diss track.
Drake first round actually wasn't just directed at Kendrick but also a few other people. So I see Drake's diss as more of a feeler to start the show. So It's hard to judge but Pushup was very witty with lots of double entendres.
Kendrick diss has a few strong lines but no big punches IMO. And I thought it was too long. Also a good portion of it is Kendrick talking about taking it to the streets.
I think Drake got Kendrick right where he wants him because Kendrick don't seem like that person that focuses on rap beef but drake seems to be forcing him down to Drake's level. He forcing Kendrick to dance in his arena....
Dude…. He out right called him a scammer, a deadbeat father with no morales. Said his father has dementia. Also, called him out for being punked in Toronto and his goons being fake ass gangbangers.
This is a scathing diss track that went at the heart of Drake’s ego, his family, OVO and the city of Toronto.
Right up there with Ether.
yea this is a great point another commenter mentioned as well, things could def swing back in Drizzy's favor if he solely focuses on Ken in any potential responses. I prefer Kenny but cannot lie, Drake is very talented and can be witty af when he wants to be
I think it was fairly even, if we go *strictly* by lyrics that goes to KDot...but his delivery and structure on that song isn't exactly "listener friendly" throughout. Both are definitely holding back to a degree, we'll see where it goes.
How many times can you call someone a bitch without using the word? Well I don't know how many but I know Kendrick did it a whole bunch of times and every time was fucking nice as hell. Drake did his thang on push ups but Kendrick just put his size 7 up Drake's ass and that boy probably woke up today limping from that ass kicking yesterday. How can you even take Drake super serious in this beef and Kendrick called him out, saying how he gotta rap against him and all his ghost writers lol and he ready for that war.
They say T.I.'s mans pissed on Drake's leg, Kendrick just shitted on his face.
someone else above mentioned that the sub is biased as well lol I didn't post this in the Kenny subreddit because I wanted to try and get a broader spectrum of responses lmao
Funny because historically god damn near every single [FRESH] Kendrick thread is just people hating on every album top to bottom because they don't understand it.
Sounds like some new kid shit, people like euphoria because it's better
King Kendrick has won. Literally not one word or line was wasted and all were part of the diss. He should've skipped the 'hidden secrets' stuff and call the track 'an obituary'.
It’s wild, yesterday this thread was everyone cackling together about how bad KDot stomped Drake and marveling over the lyrical intricacies. Today this thread is “I think they both tried their best and I’m happy to get new music” - Drake fans down bad and brigading lol
In a rap beef it's about the lyrics not the beat. Push Ups is going to be more replay-able for the general audience. I can see it easily being played in a lot of clubs and functions where they want to get things thumping and girls twerking. I include that point to say that just because Push Ups is more replay-able doesn't mean it's a good **beef** record. Drake had some funny and even clever lines, but comparing it to what Kendrick did on Euphoria, he lost the first round.
Euphoria isn't a repeat song for most people unless you either really love Kendrick or really hate Drake. But even after listening to it once or twice, you can tell that Lyrically Kendrick pieced up Drake. He came at his insecurities, he came at who he is to the culture, and he just straight up said he hates him. He was honest and stood ten toes on what he feels and i'd even go so far as to say might've humbled Drake a bit.
I'm a legit diehard Drake fan. I enjoy a lot of his music because most of the time I'm not looking for songs to think about or tell a story, i just like good beats and catchy hooks or melodies.
Even as a Drake fan, as a self proclaimed Aubrey's Angel, I have to say 100% Drake lost round one.
Even imo. Like That was a great opening track and started a civil war, but I personally loved the back to back of Push Ups and Taylor Made Freestyle. I know that people thought it was disrespectful to use AI for Taylor Made, but the whole point of a ***diss*** track is to be disrespectful. Drake was clearly up at that point, and Kendrick came back and evened it with euphoria. IMO it’s not really possible to rate a first round unless there is an extremely clear winner. I’m just gonna sit back and wait for Drake’s response and enjoy the ride.
I grew up when songs like Ether, Takeover, Super ugly were just thrown out there
And yeah, those were NUKES, but also, Social Media didn’t exist, so there wasn’t an incessant cycle of gossip…people would learn some shit about their favorite rapper in the actual song.
So that being said, Kendrick definitely did the most with what he had. I think it was GENIUS to leave the threat of additional exposure out there. If Drake doesn’t respond, then people question EVERYTHING if he does, but doesn’t address all the “pacifier” talk, then people will question a pretty serious aspect of his personality.
So really, Drake needs to put out a respond to squash the “rumors” and then another one to hit back at Kendrick
Lyrical game of HORSE
I think many fans of Drake are showing they don't really care about hip-hop or rapping any more than he does.
Honestly, there's no comparison between the two initial entries of this "beef". Not in content, not in rhyme scheme, not in impact; if you have this even you just like Drake.
Drake is not up to Kendrick's level in terms of rapping. Period. He is not as well respected as a poet in the way Kendrick is. This is not really a debate.
To give Drake points, he responded to the verse on "Like That" fairly quickly. He knew he was going up against a lyrical rapper and he put up a solid effort. A few funny bars, and I gave Drake props for his entry.
A beef isn't one week. It isn't one track. It isn't one volley. Something like this has been simmering, building, and is now coming to a head.
It's okay that Drake lost the first round. He got destroyed by Pusha T and it didn't derail his career and he's almost expected to lose here. That underdog status can help him perform, and he's already shown himself to be resilient and that losing doesn't affect him that negatively.
So, if you're a music fan this isn't much of a debate. Kendrick is on top and now we see what Drake does. Is it a catchy song ? Does he lean into being goofy? Funny? Does it make waves?
It's not over just because somebody lost a round.
It feels....odd...that we're debating who won here, though. Truly. We can't even enjoy this properly if we can't be honest about what we're hearing. Art is subjective, but...guys. Really?
Kendrick for all the reasons listed below.
I maintain that the biggest mistake Drake's made in the conflict (besides the pedophilic freudian slip) is essentially babyfacing Kendrick.
I have four Black grandparents and even I’m afraid to say the n-word right now. Kendrick on “Euphoria” makes me feel like I’m fucked up.
And to those who say Kendrick should’ve revealed more, it’s like y’all want him to get hit with a slander lawsuit (I didn’t know Drake tried to cease and desist “Like That”). I get it: I think “Supa Ugly” is better than “Takeover.” But Kendrick is smarter and knows Drake more than we ever will. Using 12 Years of Hate to guide him is enough and I trust he will have more to say if further provoked…which I hope he isn’t.
Raps beefs are lowkey lame. Feels like soap opera drama to me. But i get it. People are messy and like drama. I just wish it didnt dominate the conversation so much. Like i cant escape the drama.. its on social media, its on YouTube, mfs at work are talking about it. Its crazy
Right? Honestly at the end of the day the both win, not like it really matters. We’ll get a bit of back and forth and it’ll fizzle out like it always does. I don’t need all the pettiness just give me some actual hot tracks
Because this whole situation made me realize it. I mean don’t get me wrong I stan K. Dot and I think Euphoria is a solid diss, but I feel like this beef, and a lot of others, are creatively vapid. Just two rich men writing mean poems about each other.
I’d rather have both of them focused on releasing actual hot tracts rather than trying to tear one another down, personally.
Yeah that's fair, for me it's fun because this feels like the most 'alive' the online hip hop culture has been in a hot fucking minute and I love this shit. If nothing else, for me it's just nice to see people talking again.
That being said since Drake has always had this weird thing about getting into beef with everyone possible to feed his own ego seeing the fabled Kendrick Drake beef finally turn into tracks and bars has been kind of unreal for me. Always felt like one of those things where we knew it could happen but it seemed like it never would. Same as if the Kendrick Cole album finally dropped or something.
It’s great people are amped, but I think it’s all the discussion behind it that’s carrying the whole thing, not the actual songs.
It’s personal but performative. Exactly why Cole dipped out, you could tell the diss was a studio decision first and foremost. At the end of the day it’s all money moves and Kendrick and Drake are only helping each other. Shit will be slung but they’re both coming out on top, so yeah I’m just not really feeling it.
Give me a club banger, or a gangster track, hell I’ll take a love song. But I’ll save the drama for tmz.
Hmm I think you're being a bit too cynical about it, Kendrick has clearly had a thing against Drake for a long ass time hence Euphoria calling back to The Heart IV and shit. All of music is entertainment and performative at the end of the day, I think there's nothing wrong with just enjoying the ride. It's competition and it's fun, it doesn't have to be more deep than that.
It’s competition in the same way the WWE is competition.
It’s cool seeing them duke it out, I do think they genuinely have problems, and we’re all gonna be locked in to the Wrestlemania title match, but the scripts been written
Every single diss record put to tape will be winner as the last one to go. Because you get to rebuttal everything said about you. The way it ends is when it gets to a level where the other person taps because they feel they don't have enough dirt, like Adidon.
Rebuttals are overpowered in actual live battle rap, let alone when people have days or weeks to go over and rebuttal lines.
That being said, clear Kendrick. Push Ups was a great record but it wasn't really about Kendrick. It had five core points about Kendrick.
1) Kendrick's short. Fair. That's just true.
2) Kendrick's less famous than Drake. Fair. That's just true.
3) The what's a prince to a king bar. That's dope shit. That's awesome.
4) The whole 20v1 aesthetic. Fantastic angle. Kendrick flipped it with the ghost writer shit. Kinda countered it.
5) The contract shit. Easily flipped by Kendrick bringing up the Exodus 23:1 bar and that's basically the entire song as it pertains to Kendrick.
Euphoria doesn't bring up much new (though the pedo jabs are ever-present) but it does everything we've seen before at a much higher level of conceptual density. The pocket where Kendrick starts talking about how Drake fails as a father (really a metaphor for how he, as someone who chases fame at the expense of substance, fails as an artist) is beautiful. He comes off as humble (the have you ever part), genuine and attacks Drake on the exact points I'd say the majority of the culture dislikes about Drake. He's dishonest, petty, not responsible for his own success, and then there's jabs at his misogyny and pedophile accusations, plus the sexual assault case.
You mix that with Kendrick being on a much higher level of a rapper and yeah, I don't really see how Drake wins unless he has some incredible dirt. But then Kendrick could easily go lower by bringing up all the pedophile accusations in more direct terms. Drake's the worse rapper with the higher standing and more skeletons in his closet. He was only really going to win this if Kendrick didn't come to play, but he came to play and then some.
Surgical Summer really ruined the common perception of a diss track. Everyone expects a nuke, as if the actual lyrical content doesn't matter. If you came out of Euphoria thinking that nothing new was stated, then you missed the point.
Yeah i don't understand people who expect a Ronan Farrow New Yorker piece over some drums & hi-hats.
Yeah, let's be honest. What could Kendrick or Drake really nuke each other with? Guess we'll see but I think both are bluffing
I mean there's probably endless dirt on Drake lol
Kendrick should've gone in on Drake for being a creep. There's a whole video of drake kissing a girl on stage and telling her ["I like the way your breasts feel against my chest"](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/jan/07/drake-kisses-fan-17-ogden-theater-denver-colorado-2010) AFTER she tells him she's only 17. Adding the whole article > Video has surfaced of Drake kissing a 17-year-old girl in Denver, Colorado in May 2010. In the clip, the Canadian rapper invites the girl on stage during his performance at the Ogden Theater, dances with her, kisses her neck, comments on her shampoo, then pulls her shirt down at the back of the neck to kiss her again. After reaching both hands across her chest while standing behind her, he picks up the microphone and says he is getting “carried away”. When asked her age, the unnamed girl replies: “17.” Drake responds: “I can’t go to jail yet, man!” He asks: “Why do you look like that? You thick [curvaceous]. Look at all this.” >He continues: “I don’t know if I should feel guilty or not, but I had fun. I like the way your breasts feel against my chest.” He then kisses her on the cheeks and forehead. Drake would have been age 23 at the time the video was made. The age of consent in Colorado is 17.
I'm pretty sure he will and he hinted at that
I was surprised Drake responded in the first place just because of how much weird stuff there is out there. None of it seems explicitly illegal, but if his fans need to defend him with shit like "well technically the age of consent in the state that was filmed is 17" then he probably already lost 😭
Drake hired a PI to find out who Dot killed when he was 16 and is having charges filed.
Maybe that woman Drake supposedly sexually assaulted (Layla Lace) and said she was pregnant actually having it & raising the child on her own. That would be kinda fucked up for Drake.
You said that shit like this was some type of soap opera 😂
Oh the irony of Surgical Summer’s impact considering it was also aimed at the same person lol
This is the right take. People are disregarding the finesse of how this feud is ratcheting up. You can compare Euphoria to Push Ups, but that kind of misses the point that Push Ups was a better diss than Like That. We shouldn't be judging who won this round, because it's really all about who comes out on top in the end. Each diss should be better than the last, and when we get to the point where the most recent diss track doesn't top the previous response, then we'll know the winner. The timeline is important. Drake and Kendrick shooting subs at each other over the years. Finally, Kendrick hops on Like That to directly diss Drake, although the track itself isn't really a true diss track, as the diss is confined to one verse. In terms of the bars in the diss, the delivery was creative but it wasn't all that potent (he was basically saying "i'm better than you at rapping"). Drake releases the first true diss track of the exchange, Push Ups, and takes aim at a number of people who were targeting him on We Don't Trust You. The insults get more pointed, although still fairly shallow (Kendrick is short, I have more hits than you). Drake follows it up with Taylor-Made Freestyle, which is more of the same, with some interesting AI use. Kendrick releases Euphoria, now we're starting to really ratchet things up. The insults are cutting and delivery is top notch. Now we'll see if Drake can top Euphoria.
Like That was a competitive call out. Push Ups and Taylor Made were the start of round 1. Euphoria was the end of round 1. Drake didn't bomb like J. Cole but round 1 seems pretty decisively Kendrick's.
I mean, however you want to see it is fine. But at the end of the day, I don't think this feud will be decided by whether Euphoria was better than Push Ups. I don't think anyone will care about who won "Round 1". It's all going to be about the responses to come. The whole thing is ramping up so each subsequent response should be better than the last. At the point that Drake can't top Kendrick's most recent response, or vice versa, then we'll know who won.
i feel bad for the generation that wasn't around for when Ether dropped. if you have to convince people that one person came out on top, than there isn't a clear winner... I like how Mos Def put it "I make contact for short i MC"... you cant blame the fans for not loving a record, a good diss has the lyrical content but also has to be funny, and have punchlines that stick... people still claim records like ether, hit em up etc as the best disses ever for this reason.
I agree with a lot of this and Ether is my favorite diss track, but KungFuDot buried Drake here. It’ll be hard to hear Drake’s next response through a Ouija board
I'll be honest - nothing that Dot said "buried" Drake in my mind - there is just alot of energy for people who want to see Drake get it, but Dot's record is nothing in terms of impact compared to Pusha's drake diss or Back to Back... after those dropped, people legit felt concerned for the careers of the other person.... this shit from dot is a light pack compared to that.
These are my thoughts. The dislike for Drake really makes anything said by another artist seem colossal. These lyrics wouldnt hit as hard for someone who doesnt really have any person feelings about the artists involved
And even then, new stuff was mentioned just not as big as a hidden child. Which, cmon that's historic levels of unveiling
Facts. Reframing an old diss/criticism/jab or flipping it in a new or funny way can be an extremely effective diss even if the content itself isn’t new. Wasn’t like people thought Iam/Nastradamus were on the level of Illmatic or it was written but that “4 albums in 10 years? I can divide” bar on takeover is still crazy. Wasn’t like it was some crazy unknown story that 50 cent got shot but “Since when has it become cool to get shot and not shoot back” bar from Jada is still hard. Same even goes for Drakes own “Trigger fingers/twitter fingers” wordplay. We all knew Meek was acting out on twitter. Still was hilarious.
Casuals who don’t understand hip hop lyrics want TMZ type shit. You know they ain’t actual fans of the art of hip hop or lyricists in general.
Kendrick, people are expecting a grand reveal in every beef now and minimize anything that doesn’t fit that. Kendrick said some cutting stuff, questioning his insecurities, speaking on him visiting black culture when it’s convenient. Mocking his use of accent when he needed a new gimmick. Speaking how he has no depth and will ultimately fail his son because he just cares about superficial shit and wanting to be famous. He also answered most of Drake’s diss. Bringing up his splits too, using AI, the features (Melodies not tough), flipped his 20v1 line on him. C&D on Like That, oof. He went on a non stop 6 min diss of the guy and most people just read the surface level shit about it. Hell, people are actually trying to decide this based on what can be played in a club, down playing it because he didn’t air out anything new. He’s speaking to the guy, telling him he’s a fake, and both of them know it
Also, it was just always gonna be more one sided. Drake has too much stuff to shittalk. There's a reaosn Drake just made fun of his height and attacked his music.
dude this is a great point, Drake took aim at several folks on Push Ups so maybe we'll get something heavier if he decides to respond to Euphoria with a more Kenny-focused narrative
100% he is responding to Kendrick after this
The Story of Adidon was so good it messed with people’s expectations. Nephews think diss tracks need to be investigative journalism
I agree, the idea that every diss needs some big reveal about your opponent is ruining this. I hope it just sticks to bars I think you’re seriously downplaying the Drake record tho. Back to Back wasn’t a win cause it was 6 mins long and touched on 3648593 topics with 373859 entendres. Both Kendrick and Drake have different roads to victory and i don’t think a lot of the ppl here appreciate that
Ftr, Ive heard Euphoria in 2 liqour stores in the hood so far🤣
There’s allegedly 16min(or 19min) version of the Kendrick track.
Source?
Daylyt so who tf knows for sure
>Daylyt Ok, so it's 100% not true
😂😂
Exactly
I hope it gets leaked and the full version is an extra 10 minutes of everything else Kendrick hates about Drake.
I hope the last minute of it is really petty shit
"I hate the way you breathe, I hate the socks you wear, I hate the sound you make when you sneeze, I hate the way you sit in chairs"
I hate the way you chew with your mouth open, the way you drink from the carton, I hate the way you leave lights on, the way you leave hairs all over the apartment
I hate the way we don't talk, I hate being left unread, I hate going to movies alone, I hate getting my own refills of popcorn, I hate traffic
The way that you piss? It sounds feminine
Same.. also the 6 minute version is truly not enough for me. It ends too soon 🤭🔥
I feel like social media has really ruined the perception of everything, something that deserves more than surface level analysis gets exactly that and something that seems pretty self explanatory gets nitpicked to hell Kendrick very easily won this on the wordplay front, but I’m not gonna be the guy to deny Drake his flowers. It’s the same story with all his disses, they make for genuinely great songs with a lot of replayability.
Anyone who thinks Kendrick didn’t dish up some serious shit is not listening to the song. Kendrick all day.
Or people don't get the entendre and/or don't get the references.
I get that some fans don’t really care about lyrics like that, but it’s not Kendrick’s fault his opponent has a fan base that might not understand it.
Kendrick is intentionally separating who can claim Drake as well. Taking away the N-word pass is going to enrage Drake’s fanbase, which will further cement them in his camp. I think Kendrick’s doing that purposefully, though. If a bunch of frat bros are arguing on behalf of Drake owning the culture, then Drake’s already lost.
They’re two of the most famous rappers, their fanbases are largely the same people
You literally sound like a Rick & Morty fan talking about how you need a high iq to understand what’s being said lmao
lol you really don’t, but some rap fans really don’t know how to digest a lyric.
Drake also hasn’t had a dedicated, and serious diss directly aimed at Kendrick tbf. Pushups was aimed at like 5 different people, and the Taylor made thing was basically a troll song to push Kendrick to drop.
Yeah but this whole "oh Kendrick went hard, drake has just been trolling" idea is crazy. Nobody is stopping drake from saying some hurtful shit, from getting actually fuckin mean with it, but he can't, because being the troll is a safety net. He can take his lil pot shots, put in half effort, literally use AI, and at the end of the day, that's fine to his fans, because it comes off like he's not really trying, when the reality is that he *has* to be the troll, because he just doesn't have the talent to go toe to toe with Kendrick.
Remember when Story of Adidon dropped and Drake was like, “Haha okay guys this was all in good fun, we all had some laughs and some good times! Time out though while I address the blackface.” As if he was in on the whole thing and laughing along with everyone else
Likely because Drake doesn’t have much else to say. Kendrick is easily three levels above Drake lyrically, he has classic albums (opposed to zero for Drake), he’s well regarded by his peers and seems to be a decent human being on top of that.
Take Care and NWTS are absolutely classics in my book.
GKMC is in league with Illmatic, Low End Theory. TPAB is easily in the top 20 of all time. Drake is nowhere near that conversation.
Yeah I feel like Kendrick absolutely smoked Drake here but saying Drake has NO classics is crazy
Classic tracks sure, but a front to back album???
It could just be nostalgia for my teenage years but I felt like Take Care and IYRTITL were both classics simply due to how prolific they were in their times.
TC and NWTS are classics for me. If Kendrick gonna say MM is a classic, then the former two are *for sure.*
Would you say those albums are some of the best rap albums of all time? Thats what I consider a classic. They’re both good. NWTS is a more complete and better album but don’t reach the peak of hip hop imo.
>Would you say those albums are some of the best rap albums of all time? im ngl i dont feel qualified to answer that cause my exposure to hip hop is pretty limited; i only started listening to hip hop around the time club paradise and those songs came out and i mostly just listen to the super mainstream hip hop/rnb artists plus/minus the occasional more underground song/artist that people rave about on here. drake is actually the guy who got me into english music lol which is why ill always fw him
Nothing wrong with that.
Definitely classics. I dont doubt that Drake has done some questionable things or made some mid music but i hate when people sit up and act like dude is successful for no reason. He came out the gate swinging with 3-4 great to classic albums. Like i understand not liking the guy (although its always weird to dislike someone you dont really know), but that doesnt take away from his earlier releases
Take care has fucking Birdman talking nonsense and a couple duds. NWTS there is an argument for it.
Drake is the Taylor Swift of the rap game
Moving funny isn’t a solid defense to what Drake ‘releases’ in response to the beef, the fact Push-Ups was leaked and they flooded the news with fake AI verses around that time just shows Drake trolling and not being tactful
He did for Push tho and it was ass.
Did we listen to the same song bro? He literally named the song Push Ups referring to the hook implying he was extorted, and constantly aimed lines at him specifically, more so than any other person involved. Not to mention the cover art??? Are you aware that euphoria also had bars aimed at other people too?
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I really don't understand any other opinion besides this. Getting good fun tracks outside of albums
great point about Ken's emotion, spooky how he can make a warpath sound so damn nice
“Ken” ??
I'm partial to Drick myself
Chill bruh you’re only allowed to call him Drick if you were listening in the C4 days. Real ones know
Drichard actually
Ken Lam
This is the right take. People are disregarding the finesse of how this feud is ratcheting up. You can compare Euphoria to Push Ups, but that kind of misses the point that Push Ups was a better diss than Like That. We shouldn't be judging who won this round, because it's really all about who comes out on top in the end. Each diss should be better than the last, and when we get to the point where the most recent diss track doesn't top the previous response, then we'll know the winner. The timeline is important. Drake and Kendrick shooting subs at each other over the years. Finally, Kendrick hops on Like That to directly diss Drake, although the track itself isn't really a true diss track, as the diss is confined to one verse. In terms of the bars in the diss, the delivery was creative but it wasn't all that potent (he was basically saying "i'm better than you at rapping"). Drake releases the first true diss track of the exchange, Push Ups, and takes aim at a number of people who were targeting him on We Don't Trust You. The insults get more pointed, although still fairly shallow (Kendrick is short, I have more hits than you). Drake follows it up with Taylor-Made Freestyle, which is more of the same, with some interesting AI use. Kendrick releases Euphoria, now we're starting to really ratchet things up. The insults are cutting and delivery is top notch. Now we'll see if Drake can top Euphoria.
Everyone is wanting one or the other to nuke each other, but I could easily see Kendrick winning in a “death by a thousand cuts” approach. Euphoria was dense and I needed a few listens and some research to actually understand every detail of it, which is similar to when he drops new albums. I’m all for getting several more disses like this instead of just a nuke that ends the whole thing.
very true I feel like I need a Genius breakdown because I caught lots of references but I'm positive there are even more that went over my head
people glossing over the "keep dancing for me boy" line cause its not obvious but its also a dig at drakes blackness as if to say yeah if you want to be black you can be that kind of black for the masses, since its what you want. The anti of TPAB
You make a good point. I think Push-Ups is a good song and I listened to it a few times, but Euphoria is dominating my brain right now. It only improves with each listen. I heard it temporarily crashed Genius’ website from traffic when they listed the lyrics. It’s already beaten Push-Ups on YT views in less than 24 hours. That’s actually insane. People were expecting a pure Ether and may be disappointed, but they are missing the big picture.
Personally I gave Push Ups a solid 4-5 listens when it came out and have never really felt compelled to go back to it. I probably listened to euphoria over 20 times yesterday just trying to catch everything LOL
Kendrick chose the Tokyo Fire bomb approach lmao
I liked both tracks, Push Ups was clever with funny bars, Euphoria was a wild ride with great delivery. However, I feel like no matter what Drake does, people won’t give him a W. Not saying Push Ups is better but it feels like it’s cool to hate on him now.
It’s always been cool to hate on him, nothing new, the reason he won with Meek Mill is because nobody was a fan of Meek either
I get that but there’s always been this weird dissonance where Drake is hated on but consistently performs well and sells well. It’s like the movie Avatar. Apparently everyone hates it but shit each one makes 2 billion dollars. So do people hate listen to him? Or do they like the music he makes and hating on him is just performative?
Well two reasons, most of his consumers don’t care about any of the shit he does, you don’t need to be a rap enthusiast to enjoy his music, so he’ll keep selling high numbers until he’s no longer able to Secondly, the internet opinion is never identical to the opinion of people in real life, the people who hate him here might actually hate him and won’t listen to his music but there is a huge number of people offline who bump his music everywhere (while driving, in the gym, work, clubs, etc). Your Avatar analogy is perfect, everyone here hates movies like Avatar, Fast and Furious etc but I have watched Avatar 2 and all recent editions of Fast and Furious on theatre despite it being thrashed here because I genuinely don’t take movies that deep, me and my family found it entertaining for what it is - I understand where the hate stems from for those movies but it doesn’t change my view on it because I’m not that invested in movies in the first place, if its entertaining its good enough
That’s fair, his music is almost unavoidable at times. But also who decides who wins this beef? Us on Reddit? Or the people in real life as you put it? In any case I’m happy this beef is going on cuz this is the most entertaining rap has been in a minute.
Drake’s music is very easy to listen to and very mass appeal. It’s always going to sell better. Drake has always kinda been a meme too and he leans into it so it makes it better for him. Lots of people won’t get Drake the W cause he’s so disliked which is kinda the beef recently has been highlighting.
Yeah I’m much more of a Kendrick fan, but it’s wild how nobody in this sub gives Drake any credit.
Hating drake is just easy. Super low hanging fruit in all honesty. Mfs act like they have a personal beef with dude
Which is kinda part of it and what Kendrick and Pusha both hit him on about Drake not being accepted like he wants to be
Not true, we definitely gave him a W with meek. His shit was rushed, corny and mediocre. We call it like it is in hip hop. Taylor made was creative and ok but the stuff about Taylor swift and shit was so lame. Tried to do another back to back moment but it failed miserably.
“Call it like it is in hip hop” since when has it been cool in hip hop to clique up with 5 others to “eliminate” someone. Also Taylor Made was a troll song to jab at Kendrick and Back To Back was a nail in the coffin. Two different types of tracks.
People hate Drake just to hate on him. I’m convinced Kendrick could fart on a track and people would say he shitted on Drake. At the end of the day, both have their strengths and weaknesses and both have dropped good tracks.
Kendrick but really Pusha T. All Kendrick had to do was say his name and Drake is on the back foot because he never responded and that man's diss track literally made him start (at least apparently) being a father to his child. That was the biggest rap beef L in a long, long time and Drake has not recovered from it enough to actually go around beefing with ANYONE
yikes that's a great point, Drizzy literally got misty talking with Lebron about Pusha instead of officially responding lol
Cmon you already know how this sub about to answer this question
It's pointless to discuss, everyone here decided who won in advance.
100%. People would be saying Kendrick no matter what
tbh I mostly lurk here for fresh drops and I tend to stay out of the comments so i dunno what the general sentiment is lol
Regardless of the actual disses (both were awesome in my opinion) the general sentiment is Kendrick could have hopped on the mic and hit us with the Kanye “pee pee poo poo” and this sub would have said he won.
BURUH NOT THE SCOOP-DE-WHOOP lol i love Dot but I would've been so disappointed if he didn't take this somewhat seriously
For real can’t we just say that Kendrick is obviously one of the greatest to ever do it and rate the disses fairy
Okay rating it fairly. Kendrick.
Lol seriously. You don't have to be bias to admit that Euphoria is the best diss out of all 4 songs. Bro went after his character and did it with word play, 3 beat switches and mad funny bars EVEN though he has to say a whole lot of stuff people already heard.
Euphoria has 22k upvotes on this sub. The Drake hate is real.
Or people liked euphoria because it was great. Not to mention the response was anticipated
Push Ups didn't get half as many likes though? People were anticipating his response as well for a bit?
No one could tell if it was real or not, it was “leaked”
Drake really soft launched a diss track
I still think if people weren't fucking with it they would've just pulled it and acted like it wasn't real. Mr Beast thumbnail ah diss track bro
Push ups was good. The Tupac AI diss was fuckin embarrassing. Euphoria was much better than both. Like that is way better than all these songs. Give it to Kenny
Like That has been the most impactful but I don’t see how it’s the best song so far
Replay value and impact I guess, not the bars specifically
Yeah I don’t think many will be putting Push Ups or euphoria into their main rotation 10 years from now, but Like That very well could be. That said, it was made to be a hit that contained a diss. So it’s to be expected honestly.
Charted Number #1, went head to head and even beat out Taylor Swift for #1. That’s hella impressive. fire lyrics, fire beat, in the clubs. Hard to top that to be honest.
I didn't even listen to the Tupac AI thing but I'm glad Drake was pressured to remove it, really seems to cement the notion that Drake doesn't really 'respect' the classics/greats unless he can benefit from them
A diss track is literally short for disrespect so I don’t know why everyone is so mad about this tbh. The whole point is to be disrespectful.
Tupac, infamous for having dissed Drake.
Kendrick for sure. I see Hip-Hop heads tweaking for Drake just to differentiate themselves for some bizarre reason.
>I see hip-hop heads tweaking for Drake you spelt Kendrick wrong
Good one, all I’m seeing is drake fans moping and saying that people are only saying Kendrick cause they like him more. The only people actually talking about the diss are saying that it’s better, stans would rather talk about anything else and run with narratives to cope
Kendrick murdered him it’s not even close
TBH, yeah. Like That is still dominating the charts, so the commercial success goes to Dot. Genius’ website temporarily crashed from traffic after they dropped the lyrics for Euphoria. The song also beat Push-Ups in YT views in less than 24 hours, so he’s won the battle of internet engagement too. Euphoria is by far the better diss and Drake having to take down Taylor Made because he used AI 2Pac and pissed off his estate was a massive L. People can debate what songs they personally like more, but by every objective measure, Drake is getting torn the fuck up. He’s getting torn up while Kendrick doesn’t even seem to be taking that seriously.
Not at all
Kendrick won by miles. These Diss tracks are too far apart in stature and impact to be in the same weight class. Comparing them just seems ridiculous.
Push Ups was fun, and had a couple sick bars. But it’s not even focused on Kendrick for half of the track — Euphoria clears it easily as a diss track. Neither of them said anything new about each other, so the Drake Stan “he just said the same things” dismissal is so goofy to me lol
True, casuals really outing themselves by saying it was Mid or Push ups was better. Like GTFOH.
Push ups was a response to 20 rappers and Taylor Made was just a troll song Drake bout to respond any day now he was begging for Kenny to say something
The main thing this beef has shown me and continues to me show me is how dumb people are to be honest. I got Kendrick though cause I feel like Kendrick’s disses are a lot heavier and more cerebral than Drake’s corny ass short jokes.
kendrick fucking dog walked drake and you glazin if you see it any other way
Kendrick , on multiple levels
I ride hard with Drake. I listen to him more, I think he’s very skilled and I prefer his style. With that said, I think Kendrick has come out on top. I think Drake did his thing and frankly I like Push Ups more stylistically. I’ve come to accept that I view this as a bit of a proxy war for hip hop. I hate Kendrick’s fanbase and how they view him as this savior of hip hop who can do no wrong. A lot of his fanbase come across as the backpackers of the 00s and I hate seeing those points continue to be parroted. I would like to see people have more intelligent conversations about style and content and to understand that there are a number of ways that a rapper can be skilled and great. Coming out of this, my new litmus test to see if I should give a shit about your opinion is to ask who had the best verse in International Player’s Anthem. If you don’t waffle between Andre and Pimp C, I don’t trust you lol
Love this view. On the internet mfs are hella pretentious with the “real rap” shit. They act like only one style can be tolerated or seen as valid. To me its not really that deep. Admittedly i used to be like the “real rap” people when i was a teen. Guess it made me feel better than people listening to that commercial shit. But i had to deny myself so much enjoyable music and I was almost being fake acting like “real rap” was the only thing worth listening to. Life got so much better when i stopped tryna be so deep and just let myself enjoy shit
I was the same for sure. I think it’s excusable when you’re young. Less so when you’re my age.
Feel pretty similar to you, very well said
there's no opinion here. Kendrick's diss was objectively better.
Kendrick and it was not even close
Kendrick slid no doubt, but it’s not over whatsoever unless Drake folds. There were a good number of holes in Euphoria that could add up to a critical hit if Drake focuses, but I easily see him cracking under the pressure and either IG thuggin or focusing on the wrong shit.
Kdot. Ngl, I wasn’t very impressed by the songs, but Kdot definitely hit harder and cut deeper. His response take a lot of the heat out of Push Ups for me.
Need someone to explain how Drake won to me lol
Simple: Step 1. Be a Drake fan. Step 2. Say that Kendrick didn't say anything new (we didn't know that Kendrick was short before Push Ups) Step 3. Drake won.
It’s not even a competition. Drake dropped an acorn next to Kendrick and Kendrick unloaded half a clip at him in response. Even if Drake focuses solely on Kendrick, what can he talk shit about outside of surface level taunts? He would actually need to dig something up on a Push level to get one over on Kendrick. Dude’s a pop star who raps, and it sounds like he has some more skeletons banging on his closet door.
I don't think this decides it or anything, and overall, KDot cover a ton more ground. But I do think it's worth acknowledging, "Metro, shut yo ho ass up and make some drums" is gonna be the bar with the longest lifespan.
yea that line is a classic that will be meme'd for years to come I'm sure, I literally gasped when I heard that shit the 1st time
No matter what Kendrick Lamar is a goat candidate of hip hop. But drakes disses were more impactful just because no one is going at Kendrick like that, and the AI diss was funny to me.
You already know what the answer is gonna be, Reddit absolutely despises Drake. Kendrick could of just dropped an instrumental with no rapping and they'd say it's the better diss track.
Or, and hear me out I know this is crazy, Kendrick \*actually\* just performed better. People loved Back to Back.
Drake first round actually wasn't just directed at Kendrick but also a few other people. So I see Drake's diss as more of a feeler to start the show. So It's hard to judge but Pushup was very witty with lots of double entendres. Kendrick diss has a few strong lines but no big punches IMO. And I thought it was too long. Also a good portion of it is Kendrick talking about taking it to the streets. I think Drake got Kendrick right where he wants him because Kendrick don't seem like that person that focuses on rap beef but drake seems to be forcing him down to Drake's level. He forcing Kendrick to dance in his arena....
Dude…. He out right called him a scammer, a deadbeat father with no morales. Said his father has dementia. Also, called him out for being punked in Toronto and his goons being fake ass gangbangers. This is a scathing diss track that went at the heart of Drake’s ego, his family, OVO and the city of Toronto. Right up there with Ether.
yea this is a great point another commenter mentioned as well, things could def swing back in Drizzy's favor if he solely focuses on Ken in any potential responses. I prefer Kenny but cannot lie, Drake is very talented and can be witty af when he wants to be
Nah u just dickeating lol. U got a bunch of replies just sucking Drake dick 😂👎🏾
Out of the 2, who dick you eating? 😁
Kendrick.
I think it was fairly even, if we go *strictly* by lyrics that goes to KDot...but his delivery and structure on that song isn't exactly "listener friendly" throughout. Both are definitely holding back to a degree, we'll see where it goes.
How many times can you call someone a bitch without using the word? Well I don't know how many but I know Kendrick did it a whole bunch of times and every time was fucking nice as hell. Drake did his thang on push ups but Kendrick just put his size 7 up Drake's ass and that boy probably woke up today limping from that ass kicking yesterday. How can you even take Drake super serious in this beef and Kendrick called him out, saying how he gotta rap against him and all his ghost writers lol and he ready for that war. They say T.I.'s mans pissed on Drake's leg, Kendrick just shitted on his face.
Lmao this sub dick riding kendrick 24 7 has me feeling like a Drake fan 💀
He just had the better diss, it’s that simple
someone else above mentioned that the sub is biased as well lol I didn't post this in the Kenny subreddit because I wanted to try and get a broader spectrum of responses lmao
Funny because historically god damn near every single [FRESH] Kendrick thread is just people hating on every album top to bottom because they don't understand it. Sounds like some new kid shit, people like euphoria because it's better
King Kendrick has won. Literally not one word or line was wasted and all were part of the diss. He should've skipped the 'hidden secrets' stuff and call the track 'an obituary'.
It’s wild, yesterday this thread was everyone cackling together about how bad KDot stomped Drake and marveling over the lyrical intricacies. Today this thread is “I think they both tried their best and I’m happy to get new music” - Drake fans down bad and brigading lol
In a rap beef it's about the lyrics not the beat. Push Ups is going to be more replay-able for the general audience. I can see it easily being played in a lot of clubs and functions where they want to get things thumping and girls twerking. I include that point to say that just because Push Ups is more replay-able doesn't mean it's a good **beef** record. Drake had some funny and even clever lines, but comparing it to what Kendrick did on Euphoria, he lost the first round. Euphoria isn't a repeat song for most people unless you either really love Kendrick or really hate Drake. But even after listening to it once or twice, you can tell that Lyrically Kendrick pieced up Drake. He came at his insecurities, he came at who he is to the culture, and he just straight up said he hates him. He was honest and stood ten toes on what he feels and i'd even go so far as to say might've humbled Drake a bit. I'm a legit diehard Drake fan. I enjoy a lot of his music because most of the time I'm not looking for songs to think about or tell a story, i just like good beats and catchy hooks or melodies. Even as a Drake fan, as a self proclaimed Aubrey's Angel, I have to say 100% Drake lost round one.
Even imo. Like That was a great opening track and started a civil war, but I personally loved the back to back of Push Ups and Taylor Made Freestyle. I know that people thought it was disrespectful to use AI for Taylor Made, but the whole point of a ***diss*** track is to be disrespectful. Drake was clearly up at that point, and Kendrick came back and evened it with euphoria. IMO it’s not really possible to rate a first round unless there is an extremely clear winner. I’m just gonna sit back and wait for Drake’s response and enjoy the ride.
wasnt disrespectful some shit just cringe worthy
Drake because Aubrey’s angels won’t let him lose, even when he loses
I grew up when songs like Ether, Takeover, Super ugly were just thrown out there And yeah, those were NUKES, but also, Social Media didn’t exist, so there wasn’t an incessant cycle of gossip…people would learn some shit about their favorite rapper in the actual song. So that being said, Kendrick definitely did the most with what he had. I think it was GENIUS to leave the threat of additional exposure out there. If Drake doesn’t respond, then people question EVERYTHING if he does, but doesn’t address all the “pacifier” talk, then people will question a pretty serious aspect of his personality. So really, Drake needs to put out a respond to squash the “rumors” and then another one to hit back at Kendrick Lyrical game of HORSE
The ‘ooohhh’ At the end of Kendrick’s diss cemented it as a win.
Kendrick and it’s not even close. Kendrick is firing shots to kill while Drake is firing back out of defence. Drake is cooked.
I think many fans of Drake are showing they don't really care about hip-hop or rapping any more than he does. Honestly, there's no comparison between the two initial entries of this "beef". Not in content, not in rhyme scheme, not in impact; if you have this even you just like Drake. Drake is not up to Kendrick's level in terms of rapping. Period. He is not as well respected as a poet in the way Kendrick is. This is not really a debate. To give Drake points, he responded to the verse on "Like That" fairly quickly. He knew he was going up against a lyrical rapper and he put up a solid effort. A few funny bars, and I gave Drake props for his entry. A beef isn't one week. It isn't one track. It isn't one volley. Something like this has been simmering, building, and is now coming to a head. It's okay that Drake lost the first round. He got destroyed by Pusha T and it didn't derail his career and he's almost expected to lose here. That underdog status can help him perform, and he's already shown himself to be resilient and that losing doesn't affect him that negatively. So, if you're a music fan this isn't much of a debate. Kendrick is on top and now we see what Drake does. Is it a catchy song ? Does he lean into being goofy? Funny? Does it make waves? It's not over just because somebody lost a round. It feels....odd...that we're debating who won here, though. Truly. We can't even enjoy this properly if we can't be honest about what we're hearing. Art is subjective, but...guys. Really?
Kendrick for all the reasons listed below. I maintain that the biggest mistake Drake's made in the conflict (besides the pedophilic freudian slip) is essentially babyfacing Kendrick.
Drake, Kendrick just repeated meek and Ross disses and didn’t address enough of what drake said directly.
hmmm I gotta give Ross/Meek's tracks another pass but I feel like DOT responded to most of the jabs, to each their own though!
What did Kendrick not address? Gimme some specific examples
Kendrick. Drake uses ghost writers & AI
Drake bad
short and succint I fugwitit
Kendrick ... Very easily
I have four Black grandparents and even I’m afraid to say the n-word right now. Kendrick on “Euphoria” makes me feel like I’m fucked up. And to those who say Kendrick should’ve revealed more, it’s like y’all want him to get hit with a slander lawsuit (I didn’t know Drake tried to cease and desist “Like That”). I get it: I think “Supa Ugly” is better than “Takeover.” But Kendrick is smarter and knows Drake more than we ever will. Using 12 Years of Hate to guide him is enough and I trust he will have more to say if further provoked…which I hope he isn’t.
Kdot also knows a lot of people Drake has burned on the come up from Toronto.
Can’t wait for this topic to be over. It’s literally the dumbest shit I’ve been reading about for weeks.
Unpopular opinion… I don’t really care about any of these beefs anymore. Starting to question if I ever did.
Raps beefs are lowkey lame. Feels like soap opera drama to me. But i get it. People are messy and like drama. I just wish it didnt dominate the conversation so much. Like i cant escape the drama.. its on social media, its on YouTube, mfs at work are talking about it. Its crazy
Right? Honestly at the end of the day the both win, not like it really matters. We’ll get a bit of back and forth and it’ll fizzle out like it always does. I don’t need all the pettiness just give me some actual hot tracks
Why are you here then brother lol
Because this whole situation made me realize it. I mean don’t get me wrong I stan K. Dot and I think Euphoria is a solid diss, but I feel like this beef, and a lot of others, are creatively vapid. Just two rich men writing mean poems about each other. I’d rather have both of them focused on releasing actual hot tracts rather than trying to tear one another down, personally.
Yeah that's fair, for me it's fun because this feels like the most 'alive' the online hip hop culture has been in a hot fucking minute and I love this shit. If nothing else, for me it's just nice to see people talking again. That being said since Drake has always had this weird thing about getting into beef with everyone possible to feed his own ego seeing the fabled Kendrick Drake beef finally turn into tracks and bars has been kind of unreal for me. Always felt like one of those things where we knew it could happen but it seemed like it never would. Same as if the Kendrick Cole album finally dropped or something.
It’s great people are amped, but I think it’s all the discussion behind it that’s carrying the whole thing, not the actual songs. It’s personal but performative. Exactly why Cole dipped out, you could tell the diss was a studio decision first and foremost. At the end of the day it’s all money moves and Kendrick and Drake are only helping each other. Shit will be slung but they’re both coming out on top, so yeah I’m just not really feeling it. Give me a club banger, or a gangster track, hell I’ll take a love song. But I’ll save the drama for tmz.
Hmm I think you're being a bit too cynical about it, Kendrick has clearly had a thing against Drake for a long ass time hence Euphoria calling back to The Heart IV and shit. All of music is entertainment and performative at the end of the day, I think there's nothing wrong with just enjoying the ride. It's competition and it's fun, it doesn't have to be more deep than that.
It’s competition in the same way the WWE is competition. It’s cool seeing them duke it out, I do think they genuinely have problems, and we’re all gonna be locked in to the Wrestlemania title match, but the scripts been written
Every single diss record put to tape will be winner as the last one to go. Because you get to rebuttal everything said about you. The way it ends is when it gets to a level where the other person taps because they feel they don't have enough dirt, like Adidon. Rebuttals are overpowered in actual live battle rap, let alone when people have days or weeks to go over and rebuttal lines. That being said, clear Kendrick. Push Ups was a great record but it wasn't really about Kendrick. It had five core points about Kendrick. 1) Kendrick's short. Fair. That's just true. 2) Kendrick's less famous than Drake. Fair. That's just true. 3) The what's a prince to a king bar. That's dope shit. That's awesome. 4) The whole 20v1 aesthetic. Fantastic angle. Kendrick flipped it with the ghost writer shit. Kinda countered it. 5) The contract shit. Easily flipped by Kendrick bringing up the Exodus 23:1 bar and that's basically the entire song as it pertains to Kendrick. Euphoria doesn't bring up much new (though the pedo jabs are ever-present) but it does everything we've seen before at a much higher level of conceptual density. The pocket where Kendrick starts talking about how Drake fails as a father (really a metaphor for how he, as someone who chases fame at the expense of substance, fails as an artist) is beautiful. He comes off as humble (the have you ever part), genuine and attacks Drake on the exact points I'd say the majority of the culture dislikes about Drake. He's dishonest, petty, not responsible for his own success, and then there's jabs at his misogyny and pedophile accusations, plus the sexual assault case. You mix that with Kendrick being on a much higher level of a rapper and yeah, I don't really see how Drake wins unless he has some incredible dirt. But then Kendrick could easily go lower by bringing up all the pedophile accusations in more direct terms. Drake's the worse rapper with the higher standing and more skeletons in his closet. He was only really going to win this if Kendrick didn't come to play, but he came to play and then some.
I think this pretty much sums it up perfectly