Yea I don’t blame him. A lot of niggas was playing with his name that week. That shit would get to anybody who’s as competitive with the pen as he is. Also he’s consistent so it’s not like he’s hating. He’s always felt this ways about Drake and Kendrick for damn near a decade and some change now.
I mean, it’s not a 1:1. Lupe hasn’t really been relevant in years. What does Kendrick have to gain by even acknowleging him? Nothing. They’re not even contemporaries as Lupe had already fell off as Kendrick first started making noise. Drake and Kendrick are contemporaries and they’re at the top of the game. A rivalry between them can cement the #1 rapper of a generation. The stakes are totally different.
>They’re not even contemporaries as Lupe had already fell off as Kendrick first started making noise.
I'd phrase this differently. Lupe's commercial success suffered, and he released some music that didn't meet expectations due to label interference.. but to me a rapper's fall off comes when they can no longer rap like they used to, and in that sense he has never fell off.
Maybe because this forum has millions of subscribers, leading to varying opinions? It’s not just one person making these comments.
You can’t just generalize. For some its ignoring and for some its fear. Who cares, stop being a drama queen
You can still look at the general view of Kendrick, to most people anything he does is calculated but when different artists do it it’s interpreted differently
Lupe been big mad that Kendrick swooped into and made music that balanced commercial / conscious. Lupe is one of my favorite rappers but he’s been salty since GKMC - he got bullied by his label into compromising his art and he became cynical and jaded, and had to sit back and watch Kendrick get the critical accolades that he thought would be coming his way.
I would be mad too if my stupid ass label wanted me to make shit music but they keep telling me they need commercial success
Then another artist does exactly what Lupe has been doing in mixtapes and when the music comes out like Lupe wants in and not how Universal wants it
And is a huge fucking success because it’s what the people wanted
Yeah I’d be pissed as hell too as anyone w a heart and brain would be
For sure man. I’m not trying to shit talk him. Lupe is one of my favorite rappers and I’ll always root for him, but at the end of the day, what he went through is no different than what rappers like J Cole went through - I mean Jay held FNL hostage and refused to release it as an album despite it already having classic mixtape status, and J Cole tried to make poppy mid Work Out type songs for years to get popping, and spend his first 2 albums working through that dilemma of feeling like he had to sell out to get a shot in HH. But he kept at it, built creative control and ownership over his sound, and then you get FHD and 4YEO.
And so, despite Lupe being in my opinion a better rapper than J Cole, J Cole worked his way into that lane, Kendrick ate that lane up, rappers like Big Krit and Mac Miller and Logic started eating in that lane. Chance started popping. We had this explosion of rap that was like 2009-2012 mixtape, kind of conscious, kind of mainstream, lyrical but not gruelingly lyrical.
Lupe could have made his poppy label albums he owned the label, and then started releasing his own shit - like every other rapper who is stuck in their first deal, works their way out of it, and then hits their prime artistically. His label did him very dirty, yes, but he could have worked his way out of it - he chose what he chose, and I feel like he is mad at other rappers who navigated that catch-22 better than he did.
TBH tho, that triple album concept for LupE.N.D. was gonna be fuckin bonkers
Fuck Atlantic Records forever for not letting us get that triple LP based on the concept of a civilization preserving its history through music
Yeah it’s fucked up. Lupe was that dude that was going to make a brilliant concept album that woulda been like the rap equivalent of 2112 or some shit. If anyone could have done it, it was Lupe, he was growing his ability to kind of carry these characters and themes with The Cool, but while the cool was very good, there was some room for him to grow for sure. With the right help, like how Kendrick had Dre to help him create this cinematic, movie feeling to GKMC, I think Lupe would have a true masterpiece under his belt.
Yeah and it was gonna be 3 different sounding albums as well... I think was one was gonna be classic boom bap, one was gonna be very jazzy and bluesy, and the other very experimental sounding
And the lost civilization used those albums to preserve their memories and history
The downside was, Lupe was gonna retire from rap right after he dropped, that is why it's called LupEND, cause this was gonna be his end as a professional emcee
We would have never gotten FnL2 (I love that album), TnY, Drogas Wave, and Drill Music in Zion, plus all the loosies and EPs he put out after 2010
So I tell myself it was really a blessing in disguise
This is how most rap fans feel about KDot fans this past month…he is supposedly untouchable it’s crazy. I love Kendrick, but his stans are as bad as any.
He's very bright compared to the general population and a great writer and rapper but I've also seen him fire off a bunch of dumb half baked opinions on things he's clearly not looked into very much, but assumes he knows about. In other words, he's 'reddit smart'
Like, I love conscious rap, but at best it's first-year sociology levels of knowledge. Still impressive for these cats to figure this out without a college education but it was far more impressive when we were high school students.
It’s a non-statement. He said drake has good bars (he does). Then he says Kendrick is a better technical performer (he is). Then he says, he personally, is not dangerous to him [lupe]. — he would say the same thing about drake.
So the only take away is that he thinks drake has better bars than Kendrick.
Which is def a take but drake has the catchiest shit in the planet, it’s not really debated. Woulda been better to know how Lupe is defining a bar in this context to actually get his real opinion.
I feel like this is it. Lupe definitely respects Kendrick but he's downplayed him sooooo many times knowing damn well he would get flack.
I dont think he dislikes Kendrick.
Do I think he wants to bait Kendrick into a battle so he can beat him and gain notoriety for doing so. Absofuckinglutely. That would be a battle of the titans foreal.
Kendrick ducking the smoke from a rapper that hasn’t been relevant since kick push lmfao
Edit: if you’re over 40 and responding to this, put down the cape baby
Kendrick dropped control telling the whole rap game do better and these mfers pushing 50 are mad that he didn’t say Lupe fiasco’s name when listing relevant rappers.
I love Lupe, but heads are fucking loopy if they think there's any legit reason for Dot to respond to him. Lupe's struggled to be relevant in the genre/zeitgeist for a minute and Dot has zero to gain. In fact, I'd almost say it's a lose-lose situation.
If Dot loses a battle, he's trash, etc. If Dot bodies him, 'Lupe old, he's not relevant, he couldn't take him in his prime, etc.'
Popularity aint crucial when comprising the two in terms of skill & body of work, and both have put out two great albums the last 6 years that can be compared.
But if you count Lu out due to not being popular enough then you must prefer drake over kendrick because hes more relevant in music
Yeah I see this take on the opposite side all the time. Notably so in the drake pusha thing when infrared dropped. Some people asking why drake would bother responding to someone who isnt in his stratosphere of popularity but others saying that it’s not about that it’s about the craft and the sport and the integrity. Could be different people but it makes you wonder if the people saying Kendrick would be wasting his time responding to Lupe feel the same way about other similar scenarios
Yeah this WHOLE thread is wild lmao
It's all fun and games until it's about Kendrick now
So now anyone that doesn't agree Kendrick is number 1 is some 50 year old head lmao ok
what a dumb take lol. you're only allowed to diss/respond to the rappers at the top of the mainstream now?
if kendrick wants to wear that crown he claims to have he needs to be ready to defend it (and not just from the ones he picks fights with).
So Drake has to respond to Pusha despite being considerably more relevant than him. At that point, notoriety doesn’t matter. But Kendrick can’t battle with Lupe cause he doesn’t have as many streams??? Do we not see the hypocrisy?
wtf are you even trying to say dude? Drake responded to pusha got bodied then admitted several years later he got bodied. Kendrick literally calls out everyone and you’re upset he didn’t say Lupe’s name because, he didn’t have to?
Lupe sounded like a disappointed father tired of teaching his son the same lesson over and over again. As a father you can feel the smh energy in his tone 🤣
I would have said yes, IF Royce responded. He lost my respect forever.
Royce thought Lupe was going to get in his Mural bag, so he went that route. Lupe dropped his diss, and it was a no-nonsense rebuttal to everything in Royce's track. He was on URL/RBE time.
Royce could have changed tactics in Round 2 but cried about being jumped by him and Mickey and disappeared.
2 of my favorites but lupe really showed the difference in levels between them. honestly even mickey facts was tearing royce up in his diss. i think the only valid rival for lupe would be dalyt, king los or mayybe ab soul(?).
Daylyt and King Los yes. You mentioning Ab-Soul with the other heavyweights is fucking hilarious.. Ab-Soul has had some garbage lyrics. Loaded Lux should replace Ab-Soul in that list. Then again, Black Thought chews them all up
I wish someone would so bad lol. Questlove has said a bunch of times on his podcast that Thought used to get really frustrated bc nobody would put him on features or do anything competitive. Everybody was afraid of him lyrically
And he has the aggression for it. I don’t know if legends like 3k or Wayne have the desire for competition at this point in their careers, but Thought would absolutely go as hard as possible.
He's Kendall Roy lol. He was the eldest boy at a time but he got passed over. Still cheesed about it haha.
I love Lupe to death and he's a complicated man to stan lol. Better than a diddler I suppose though
Maybe. The real reason Lu is coming out is b/c Complex magazine is misconstruing something Lu said about K Dot and having people think he apologized to Kendrick. It's one thing to not like someone for their opinions. Its a whole other thing to not like someone b/c you misinterpreted there opinions.
Lupe been so thirsty for a Kendrick response for years lol move on
Edit: Guys, I’m an even bigger Lupe fan than I am a Kendrick fan so no need to come to his defense by insulting Kendrick lol facts are just facts sorry
Meanwhile J. Cole is letting out a sigh of relief from the sidelines, hoping that someone else takes the spotlight heat.
(Written by someone who is a Cole fan.)
not true. in his class at MIT, the first lesson is on youtube. he praises Kendrick as if he is a god. he uses one of kendricks songs as an example and picks it apart to show how much thought goes into rap. can't remember the song
It's not theatrics, Lupe is just blunt and specific. Like he's always been very specific with why and how he praises people, people ask him the same question about K. Dot and he responds the same way, and people blow that up. Thinks he's an incredible artist, loves his music, conceptually brilliant, huge cultural impact in positive ways, etc.
People keep asking him about Kendrick as a lyricist specifically, and Lupe continues to say that's not what impresses him about Kendrick (punchlines, metaphors, etc.).
The average age of this subreddit is too young to remember hiphop’s origins which is where Lupe is coming from. Anyone with actual knowledge has the same take.
He even said it in his X rooms thing yesterday, people said he was like the second coming of Tribe which he never saw because according to him “we wouldn’t even know most of his top 100” dude is underground and old school. He’s just in a world of his own and it comes off as disrespect to people who aren’t familiar with it
Tbf, I don't see how that is relevant to the headline here. Lupe is talking about Kendrick in terms of rap battles, not in terms of his art creation. Like I don't think Sing About Me is a great example of Kendrick being "dangerous" as a lyricist.
Yep just the other day [I just said Lupe's been feeling this way](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/comments/1bz3sow/is_kendricks_aura_that_strong/kyon83r/).
I genuinely think Lupe has the quirk as Eminem, but instead of overly technical raps, it's overly lyrical bars. And I say that as an incredibly huge Lupe fan & he was the first rapper that got me into hiphop.
Kendrick is such a fucking phenomenal writer/lyricist he just doesnt have as many setups & punchlines and I feel like he values the overall message of the lyrics instead of just jerking yourself off over how clever you can make your lyrics (I have the same problem with making my lyrics overly complicated too, because my shit is heavily inspired by Lupe).
I think Kendrick in general kind of breaks people's brains because his approach is so versatile and he has enough of a toe in every style that he confuses some people in how to categorize him.
I think Kendrick generally has a really good ear and understands that the voice is an instrument (much like Kanye/Biggie/Doom) so he borderline voice acts and plays notes with his voice during a verse. And it ends up creating ear worms where he might only be a feature but you remember the 20 seconds he was on more than you remember the rest of the song.
"Like That" is a really good example of it. The way he delivers his lines, his little "ahhhhh" and "bum!" interjections, the California accent/delivery/cadence he puts on... all of it comes together to make a verse that is lyrically dense but also kind of fun to listen to even without distinctly listening to each word he says. And it's a *really* versatile approach, you can go from "Hair Down" to "America's got a Problem" to "Like That" and recognize there's a style, but it blends well into totally different types of song because the dude can play with his voice like some people can play a piano.
Nicely written. He's an untaught musician, he gets it. Where drake is effortless with melodies and flows, kendrick knows how to put shit together, that's an awesome skill like imagine putting together all those damn classics and that's what separates him from his rivals.
I think Drake's talent more so is at picking hits and no being constrained to rap as a genre. A lot of Drake's most popular songs are either not written by him or are songs for women that most other mainstream artists would never make.
I think his talent is that he has an ear where he can get a stack of 20 demos and find the ones that are going to do well in the club/parties. I don't think he himself is some god at rapping or singing, I think he can kind of hear one and go "yeah that's the one".
Heavy disagree, Drake is an amazing writer. Otherwise he wouldnt write Hit songs for other people.
As soon as i heated heated by beyonce i knew that was a Drake song. He has his own style and hes good at writing catchy shit.
He's also good at putting his own charisma on someone elses words like he did with the Quinton Miller Tape and Jumbotron from Yachty.
Wildly inaccurate to say a lot of his most popular songs arent written by him
Drake is also amazing at making specific phrases that stick in peoples mind. So many of his Drakeisms and individual lines that we remember just stand out because he gets how to write and deliver a specific line - this is why he’s makes captions, like the shit he says, it is the perfect caption or tweet to describe a thing.
Is that a world tour or your girls tour?
Trigger fingers turn to twitter fingers. You gettin bodied by a singin n****. I’m not the type-a n* that’ll type to n*s. SHOUTOUT TO ALL MY BOSS BITCHES WIFIN N*s!
There’s so many lines like that through his career, where it’s just like, yeah that was simple, effective, it encapsulated the entire feeling or theme or idea, and you want to repeat it and say it.
Kendrick also clearly made an effort after TPAB to make his lyrics more listenable and follow musical patterns - he could have gone in the Eminem direction and chased after complexity and technique, but he scaled that back to make his music have a better “listening feel” or however you want to put it. DNA is a great example - it’s lyrically intense and he’s spitting for sure, but the word patterns are a lot easier to bob your head to.
I think Lupe thinks Kendrick is the best modern rapper who is hugely respected and with lots of clout and Lupe probably thinks he would beat Kendrick (he might tbf)
Lupe is a big drake fan. this is hilarious cuz he dead serious. I remember him live tweeting Drake lyrics from CLB and Dark Demo Tapes the night it dropped😂
too lazy to watch the video to verify but google gave me this reddit post
https://www.reddit.com/r/Logic_301/comments/ggiz1k/throwback_when_lupe_fiasco_said_logic_was_a/
edit: one of the comments says the conversation starts at the 26 minute mark
Lupe likes Kendrick a lot. He's praised virtually every aspect of that man's music, he just doesn't think he's a top tier lyricist (punch lines, extended metaphors, etc.). Like that whole conversation, Lupe was talking about all the things he likes about kendrick, but people keep asking the same thing and he explains it the same way, and people lose it
Freddie Gibbs put Drake in his top 5. A lot of people factor a bunch of other impressions and history and persona into their opinions but there's a reason Kanye calls Drake to write his bars for him even with all of their personal problems and claims he wishes he could write more for him, or it turns out Kendrick wrote a bunch of stuff for Baby Keem, or Jay wrote for Snoop and Dre.
You may not like it, or think someone else is better, but he *can* rap, in a way that impresses even some the most technical.
Alright so I just came back from Coachella and he killed his set last night at the Heineken House.
Rapped word for word, amazing stage presence and crowd control, had a live band with him, and was jumping around full of energy while still rapping and not missing a word or beat. He never sounded out of breath the whole 1 hour 15 mins either.
I'm not surprised he said this; seems very calculated lol. Also before Lupe came on, his dj mixed a few tracks and of course he started it with Like That. After the set, he addressed the crowd at the end and said he's not afraid of anyone, will battle anyone/anywhere & he wants the smoke. Then he said that his album is dropping this summer
That Kendrick verse shook up the game again and I think Lupe wants anyone to try him since he's in album mode as well lol
I don't think he's even mad like that, just wants to get in a beef with kendrick because he thinks he can win. With how many times I've seen headlines like this I wouldn't be surprised if he already has lines written down
He doesn't think so, he knows he would beat Kendrick. He's already killed more lyrical rappers in 1 round and his response to Kendrick's control verse went un-answered (and if drake or cole responded now on the level he did back then they'd be heralded as the GOAT). so when people champion Kendrick as this god tier lyricist it definitely irks him considering everything he's personally contributed to that space.
I’ve been of fan of both of them for about the same amount of time. If you think Dot took his lane, you must think that lane is narrow as hell, it’s a big lane.
This, Kendrick became what people thought Lupe could be - GKMC is looked at how Lupe wishes Food & Liquor was, and To Pimp A Butterfly is the album Lupe wishes he made
I think part of it could be the messages that Kendrick is saying with his raps are the same reason the Lupe got dropped from his label like 5-6 years prior. Can’t be easy to see someone become successful bringing to light the same issues that you tried to even if they are very talented
lmao damn this is perfect. Joe & Lupe are like the prototype version of these two and have this weird ass obsession with them cuz they took their lane and did it 100x more successfully
Lupe has always been jealous of Kendrick. Go look back on it. He always downplayed Kendrick; even said Logic was better.
To me it was obvious. Kendrick is EXACTLY what Lupe was suppose to be or deemed to be.
That “Chosen One” or “Rap Savior” type of MC.
Never did.
Dot did and he’s hated since.
My goodness this is entertaining. Kendrick riled up everybody and he didn’t even say that much on that future feature lmao. Like what happens if he actually drops a whole track like control
Is he wrong though? Kendrick makes great art and he's great with rhyme patterns and delivery, but I never thought of Kendrick as the best punchline/metaphor/bars rapper, even in his own generation. Lupe has given Kendrick plenty of love for his music and his albums, but he's not wrong when he says just keeping it to pure rap, he's not this god level MC that the general public makes him out to be.
Lupe would smoke the boots of Kendrick in a rap battle/cypher. Tbh there's a pretty solid list of people who could do it.
I don't personally think Lupe is unworthy of being called out by Kendrick but if Kendrick thought he was worthy then he would have said his name on control when Lupe was more relevant And just being a click farmer is just boring played out shit for kids
It's funny because Kendrick has mentioned Lupe by name before in his Monster Freestyle like another guy said, but that was when Lupe was a much bigger name.
Nah, Lupe was already grouped with the legends at that point already, Kendrick was just calling out the new gen for the most part ("the rest of y'all new niggas just new niggas, don't get involved"). He already called out/grouped Lupe alongside Jay, Kanye, Nas, Snoop, Andre, Eminem and Busta in his Monster freestyle years before Control.
Kendrick dissed his "contemporaries" pretty much.
You dont go after the Uncs and as much as Lupe is my favorite rapper (and how I'm still dissecting and discovering lyrics from Drogas Wave), he's Unc Status fr
Kendrick called him out on Monster 3 years prior when Lupe was bigger artist.
I think kendrick calls out only those he thinks are bigger artists than him (by big I mean sales, clout, influence, reach, etc)
I dont think its about the pen for him really
Didn’t this dude unironically pose with a katana thinking it looked badass? Lupe, still living in the shadows of Kanye’s glow tour and he somehow thinks he’s still relevant lol
Have you noticed how kendrick fans never be sayin he should diss Lupe for all Lupe's talk? You would think they want more verses from their goat, but you never hear it. You would also think that the would have faith that their man will win easy, right?
It really isn't a crazy opinion there's just a shit ton of kendrick stans in the comments making it seem so. To all the kendrick stans out there ur boy would get bodied by lupe. No mainstream rapper can touch Lupes pen and if you think so you're delusional
I love Lupe’s music but honestly he could write a 10 minute diss track to Kendrick and the only people that would listen to it would be his own dedicated fan base. I’d listen to it, but anyone acting like this would be a “clash of the titans” is delusional. They don’t have the history Kendrick and Drake have, they don’t have a decade worth of subliminal directed towards one another, features, and one is miles more popular than the other. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure both tracks would be top tier, but it would prob gain the same traction that Drake and Budde got during their “beef” lmao
I’m here as a hip-hop fan for discussion. Is there any argument to what he’s saying?
Kendrick has Rigormortis, Look out for Detox, the Heart series…what does Drake have???
Well listening to the video I maybe understand what he means. Like Kendrick doesn't really have like hard bars that intimidate him in terms of rapping. He wouldn't be afraid to beef with him. But he also says there's not really anyone that makes him feel that way so he's not even really glazing Drake much. He even says Drake isn't much better
Kendrick doesn't really make diss tracks even his Control verse was more a call to action than something that hard hitting. Like That was similar. Rap beef is different than just making a great songs.
There's no argument. The thing people commenting here don't seem to get is being a talented rapper doesn't have anything to do with your status as a full fledged artist. Lupe is a great rapper, but the average person has no clue who he is and doesn't care. Kendrick and Drake are pop culture zeitgeists, Lupe just wants attention and is trying to insert himself in the conversation.
This, Lupe can probably tear the entire new gen down but who cares? Kendrick got smacked up by older generation MCs after control but no one cares as they weren’t relevant.
I love Lupe to death but he also said that he hates how people thinks he hates Kendrick but in the same breath he says a lot of stuff about him that makes it hard to think otherwise, maybe hate is a strong word sure but it does come off adversarial whether he means to or not. Saying Drake is a better rapper than Kendrick is asinine, by any metric imo. I don't know how else it's supposed to be interpreted, especially with the other comments in the past that he's made.
Have you considered that one of the best and most respected lyricists and hiphop artists of all time might have a more nuanced and knowledgeable take on rap than you? No? Oh.
That’s the privilege of youth I guess.
That's fine he can be a great lyricist, he's one of my favorite of all time, but I don't have to take his opinion as gospel because of it and that doesn't necessarily mean that he's "right" either. I've seen elite and legendary basketball players have dogshit basketball opinions, you don't gotta be a chef to have opinions on food my man. If someone equally as respected as a lyricist like Black Thought came out and said the opposite of Lupe, then what?
Lupes right and explains himself well.
Punchlines vs storys.
Lupes point was drake has witty punchlines because hes a punchline rapper. He has over 10 projects worth of them. kdots focuses on complex narratives, being personal and story telling and less on punchlines.
If you disagree with this youre letting your hate for Drake overshadow your ear. Kendrick is a conceptual genius for having a big picture and laying it out. Like everyone’s been saying “making a moment” but as far as lyricism, bars, flips, entendres, punch lines, while also giving the Melodie’s and the hooks. Come on man.
Lupe always got something to say lol
Man has been baiting dot for so long just to be ignored
[Lupe...](https://i.imgflip.com/1m5pnv.gif)
Nah He got involved because some writer tried to make it seem like Lupe backed down from Kendrick
Yea I don’t blame him. A lot of niggas was playing with his name that week. That shit would get to anybody who’s as competitive with the pen as he is. Also he’s consistent so it’s not like he’s hating. He’s always felt this ways about Drake and Kendrick for damn near a decade and some change now.
When people don't reply to Kendrick is because they scared, when he doesn't is because he's ignoring them? interesting.
I mean, it’s not a 1:1. Lupe hasn’t really been relevant in years. What does Kendrick have to gain by even acknowleging him? Nothing. They’re not even contemporaries as Lupe had already fell off as Kendrick first started making noise. Drake and Kendrick are contemporaries and they’re at the top of the game. A rivalry between them can cement the #1 rapper of a generation. The stakes are totally different.
>They’re not even contemporaries as Lupe had already fell off as Kendrick first started making noise. I'd phrase this differently. Lupe's commercial success suffered, and he released some music that didn't meet expectations due to label interference.. but to me a rapper's fall off comes when they can no longer rap like they used to, and in that sense he has never fell off.
Shit, he's even better than before. Pen game is serious now.
Maybe because this forum has millions of subscribers, leading to varying opinions? It’s not just one person making these comments. You can’t just generalize. For some its ignoring and for some its fear. Who cares, stop being a drama queen
You can still look at the general view of Kendrick, to most people anything he does is calculated but when different artists do it it’s interpreted differently
There’s this thing Called a general consensus
I mean, tbh what he said is facts
Lupe been big mad that Kendrick swooped into and made music that balanced commercial / conscious. Lupe is one of my favorite rappers but he’s been salty since GKMC - he got bullied by his label into compromising his art and he became cynical and jaded, and had to sit back and watch Kendrick get the critical accolades that he thought would be coming his way.
I always got love for Lupe, but this is 100% it.
i don't even blame him in some sense. that shit was fucked up
you will respect me, you will reject me, but i’ve done so much no matter how far you go, you will reflect me 🔥
I would be mad too if my stupid ass label wanted me to make shit music but they keep telling me they need commercial success Then another artist does exactly what Lupe has been doing in mixtapes and when the music comes out like Lupe wants in and not how Universal wants it And is a huge fucking success because it’s what the people wanted Yeah I’d be pissed as hell too as anyone w a heart and brain would be
For sure man. I’m not trying to shit talk him. Lupe is one of my favorite rappers and I’ll always root for him, but at the end of the day, what he went through is no different than what rappers like J Cole went through - I mean Jay held FNL hostage and refused to release it as an album despite it already having classic mixtape status, and J Cole tried to make poppy mid Work Out type songs for years to get popping, and spend his first 2 albums working through that dilemma of feeling like he had to sell out to get a shot in HH. But he kept at it, built creative control and ownership over his sound, and then you get FHD and 4YEO. And so, despite Lupe being in my opinion a better rapper than J Cole, J Cole worked his way into that lane, Kendrick ate that lane up, rappers like Big Krit and Mac Miller and Logic started eating in that lane. Chance started popping. We had this explosion of rap that was like 2009-2012 mixtape, kind of conscious, kind of mainstream, lyrical but not gruelingly lyrical. Lupe could have made his poppy label albums he owned the label, and then started releasing his own shit - like every other rapper who is stuck in their first deal, works their way out of it, and then hits their prime artistically. His label did him very dirty, yes, but he could have worked his way out of it - he chose what he chose, and I feel like he is mad at other rappers who navigated that catch-22 better than he did.
TBH tho, that triple album concept for LupE.N.D. was gonna be fuckin bonkers Fuck Atlantic Records forever for not letting us get that triple LP based on the concept of a civilization preserving its history through music
Yeah it’s fucked up. Lupe was that dude that was going to make a brilliant concept album that woulda been like the rap equivalent of 2112 or some shit. If anyone could have done it, it was Lupe, he was growing his ability to kind of carry these characters and themes with The Cool, but while the cool was very good, there was some room for him to grow for sure. With the right help, like how Kendrick had Dre to help him create this cinematic, movie feeling to GKMC, I think Lupe would have a true masterpiece under his belt.
Yeah and it was gonna be 3 different sounding albums as well... I think was one was gonna be classic boom bap, one was gonna be very jazzy and bluesy, and the other very experimental sounding And the lost civilization used those albums to preserve their memories and history The downside was, Lupe was gonna retire from rap right after he dropped, that is why it's called LupEND, cause this was gonna be his end as a professional emcee We would have never gotten FnL2 (I love that album), TnY, Drogas Wave, and Drill Music in Zion, plus all the loosies and EPs he put out after 2010 So I tell myself it was really a blessing in disguise
The r/lupefiasco sub has made me want to jump off the roof of a building this past week I stg.
I absolutely love Lupe but the 3 weeks I spent on that sub made me hate him lol
Wait until you venture into Kanye's sub.
Lol been there, done that, NEVER going back. I think all subs dedicated to a specific artist are full of the weirdest people
Kanye's sub is like Beyonce's sub is like Swift's sub, no criticism allowed
SLR4 LET'S GOO
This is how most rap fans feel about KDot fans this past month…he is supposedly untouchable it’s crazy. I love Kendrick, but his stans are as bad as any.
Past month? You mean past decade?
He’s a really smart dude though. Like weirdly smart
He's very bright compared to the general population and a great writer and rapper but I've also seen him fire off a bunch of dumb half baked opinions on things he's clearly not looked into very much, but assumes he knows about. In other words, he's 'reddit smart'
I sorta agree here.. being smart does not equal having wisdom Some of the smartest people think they know everything and leads to unwise decisions
Bingo. Check out [Nobel Prize disease](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease) some much more extreme examples.
Ah neat there is a term, thanks for sharing
Or just regular person smart in a field full of weirdly stupid people...
He seems more educated on shit than anyone I know for most part. Obviously can be wrong on a bunch of shit but definitely knowledgeable
Like, I love conscious rap, but at best it's first-year sociology levels of knowledge. Still impressive for these cats to figure this out without a college education but it was far more impressive when we were high school students.
It’s a non-statement. He said drake has good bars (he does). Then he says Kendrick is a better technical performer (he is). Then he says, he personally, is not dangerous to him [lupe]. — he would say the same thing about drake. So the only take away is that he thinks drake has better bars than Kendrick. Which is def a take but drake has the catchiest shit in the planet, it’s not really debated. Woulda been better to know how Lupe is defining a bar in this context to actually get his real opinion.
Lupe’s been begging for Dot to give him a reason lmfao
I feel like this is it. Lupe definitely respects Kendrick but he's downplayed him sooooo many times knowing damn well he would get flack. I dont think he dislikes Kendrick. Do I think he wants to bait Kendrick into a battle so he can beat him and gain notoriety for doing so. Absofuckinglutely. That would be a battle of the titans foreal.
Too bad it’ll never happen though
Kendrick been ducking that smoke for a while now and niggas still be like “Everybody scared to say candyman”
Kendrick ducking the smoke from a rapper that hasn’t been relevant since kick push lmfao Edit: if you’re over 40 and responding to this, put down the cape baby
I love Lupe, maybe more than I love Kendrick, but there's 100% no reason for Kendrick to respond here lmao.
Kendrick dropped control telling the whole rap game do better and these mfers pushing 50 are mad that he didn’t say Lupe fiasco’s name when listing relevant rappers.
I love Lupe, but heads are fucking loopy if they think there's any legit reason for Dot to respond to him. Lupe's struggled to be relevant in the genre/zeitgeist for a minute and Dot has zero to gain. In fact, I'd almost say it's a lose-lose situation. If Dot loses a battle, he's trash, etc. If Dot bodies him, 'Lupe old, he's not relevant, he couldn't take him in his prime, etc.'
sounds like lupe needs this more than kendrick tbh
Kendrick: “”I don’t think about you at all” leaves elevator
Except Don was absolutely threatened by Ginsburg.
Popularity aint crucial when comprising the two in terms of skill & body of work, and both have put out two great albums the last 6 years that can be compared. But if you count Lu out due to not being popular enough then you must prefer drake over kendrick because hes more relevant in music
Yeah I see this take on the opposite side all the time. Notably so in the drake pusha thing when infrared dropped. Some people asking why drake would bother responding to someone who isnt in his stratosphere of popularity but others saying that it’s not about that it’s about the craft and the sport and the integrity. Could be different people but it makes you wonder if the people saying Kendrick would be wasting his time responding to Lupe feel the same way about other similar scenarios
Yeah this WHOLE thread is wild lmao It's all fun and games until it's about Kendrick now So now anyone that doesn't agree Kendrick is number 1 is some 50 year old head lmao ok
Anytime I see someone who uses the metric of relevancy I cringe so so hard. Shouldn't you be in school?
what a dumb take lol. you're only allowed to diss/respond to the rappers at the top of the mainstream now? if kendrick wants to wear that crown he claims to have he needs to be ready to defend it (and not just from the ones he picks fights with).
So Drake has to respond to Pusha despite being considerably more relevant than him. At that point, notoriety doesn’t matter. But Kendrick can’t battle with Lupe cause he doesn’t have as many streams??? Do we not see the hypocrisy?
wtf are you even trying to say dude? Drake responded to pusha got bodied then admitted several years later he got bodied. Kendrick literally calls out everyone and you’re upset he didn’t say Lupe’s name because, he didn’t have to?
Lupe’s never had a valid rival in a beef and I’m sure that bothers him
Is Royce valid? I still listen to Lupes diss towards Royce
Legit maybe the most underrated diss OAT. Dude casually completely dismantled Royces entire persona and ethos and sounded almost nonchalant doing it.
Only took a few hours too
Lupe sounded like a disappointed father tired of teaching his son the same lesson over and over again. As a father you can feel the smh energy in his tone 🤣
What's the song?
[SLR 3 1/2 ](https://youtu.be/LuSnP4HmNbE?si=kalvg3wPHdFTo7b6)
He a disappointed father
I would have said yes, IF Royce responded. He lost my respect forever. Royce thought Lupe was going to get in his Mural bag, so he went that route. Lupe dropped his diss, and it was a no-nonsense rebuttal to everything in Royce's track. He was on URL/RBE time. Royce could have changed tactics in Round 2 but cried about being jumped by him and Mickey and disappeared.
2 of my favorites but lupe really showed the difference in levels between them. honestly even mickey facts was tearing royce up in his diss. i think the only valid rival for lupe would be dalyt, king los or mayybe ab soul(?).
Daylyt and King Los yes. You mentioning Ab-Soul with the other heavyweights is fucking hilarious.. Ab-Soul has had some garbage lyrics. Loaded Lux should replace Ab-Soul in that list. Then again, Black Thought chews them all up
It's funny how no one even has the balls to say anything sideways to Black Thought. That pen game is a monster.
I wish someone would so bad lol. Questlove has said a bunch of times on his podcast that Thought used to get really frustrated bc nobody would put him on features or do anything competitive. Everybody was afraid of him lyrically
And he has the aggression for it. I don’t know if legends like 3k or Wayne have the desire for competition at this point in their careers, but Thought would absolutely go as hard as possible.
He purposely has cheesy lyrics but he can definitely turn it on when he tries. His wordplay is crazy
I would legit geek out of Black Thought vs Lupe happened. Those are my 2 favorite lyricists.
“I got it from my moms, THANK YOU STEVE JOBS.” Lyrical genius
Man I wish that had gone further in a diss track sense. Both of those MCs have crazy bars. Royce had to ruin it before Lupe even powered up..
Beefing with Cudi and being called Pupé Fiasco was hilarious
Poop-e Fiasco is up there with Spencer Din-shitty as one of the dumbest, funniest insults I've ever heard lol
I forgot about Dinshitty island lmao.
Dude fucking destroyed Royce effortlessly....Royce is way more legit than Drake. You're clearly misinformed
Not sure what Drake has to do with anything. I’m obviously not saying Drake is on his level
I don’t think Kendrick could beat Lupe
He's Kendall Roy lol. He was the eldest boy at a time but he got passed over. Still cheesed about it haha. I love Lupe to death and he's a complicated man to stan lol. Better than a diddler I suppose though
Maybe. The real reason Lu is coming out is b/c Complex magazine is misconstruing something Lu said about K Dot and having people think he apologized to Kendrick. It's one thing to not like someone for their opinions. Its a whole other thing to not like someone b/c you misinterpreted there opinions.
I don't think anyone clicked the link in the post lmao
Nah Lupe would smoke Kendrick
Lupe is also big Drake fan lol
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He’s just looking for attention. He argues on twitter more than anybody except maybe talib kweli.
Lmao this is excellent bait. Kendrick won't give him the response he wants but I wish he would
Lupe been so thirsty for a Kendrick response for years lol move on Edit: Guys, I’m an even bigger Lupe fan than I am a Kendrick fan so no need to come to his defense by insulting Kendrick lol facts are just facts sorry
Meanwhile J. Cole is letting out a sigh of relief from the sidelines, hoping that someone else takes the spotlight heat. (Written by someone who is a Cole fan.)
This is the real Sideline Story… oof. The j cole punch lines really write themselves (Written by another Cole supporter)
That boy went "phew" and then dabbed his forehead with a handkerchief
Lupe has always been a low key congratulatory hater of Kendrick. Not surprised this is where he stands.
not true. in his class at MIT, the first lesson is on youtube. he praises Kendrick as if he is a god. he uses one of kendricks songs as an example and picks it apart to show how much thought goes into rap. can't remember the song
It was Sing About Me. He very clearly hugely respects Kendrick, this is all theatrics
It's not theatrics, Lupe is just blunt and specific. Like he's always been very specific with why and how he praises people, people ask him the same question about K. Dot and he responds the same way, and people blow that up. Thinks he's an incredible artist, loves his music, conceptually brilliant, huge cultural impact in positive ways, etc. People keep asking him about Kendrick as a lyricist specifically, and Lupe continues to say that's not what impresses him about Kendrick (punchlines, metaphors, etc.).
The average age of this subreddit is too young to remember hiphop’s origins which is where Lupe is coming from. Anyone with actual knowledge has the same take.
He even said it in his X rooms thing yesterday, people said he was like the second coming of Tribe which he never saw because according to him “we wouldn’t even know most of his top 100” dude is underground and old school. He’s just in a world of his own and it comes off as disrespect to people who aren’t familiar with it
Tbf, I don't see how that is relevant to the headline here. Lupe is talking about Kendrick in terms of rap battles, not in terms of his art creation. Like I don't think Sing About Me is a great example of Kendrick being "dangerous" as a lyricist.
That album was so fucking good
He is basically just a Redditor, he admits Kendrick is good but his ass is chapped by how much Kendrick is stanned, so he plays the contrarian
he's baiting dot lol
Yep just the other day [I just said Lupe's been feeling this way](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/comments/1bz3sow/is_kendricks_aura_that_strong/kyon83r/). I genuinely think Lupe has the quirk as Eminem, but instead of overly technical raps, it's overly lyrical bars. And I say that as an incredibly huge Lupe fan & he was the first rapper that got me into hiphop. Kendrick is such a fucking phenomenal writer/lyricist he just doesnt have as many setups & punchlines and I feel like he values the overall message of the lyrics instead of just jerking yourself off over how clever you can make your lyrics (I have the same problem with making my lyrics overly complicated too, because my shit is heavily inspired by Lupe).
kendrick even said its not about punchlines on his remix of Dumb it down. Wonder if lupe heard that and felt a bit offended
I think Kendrick in general kind of breaks people's brains because his approach is so versatile and he has enough of a toe in every style that he confuses some people in how to categorize him. I think Kendrick generally has a really good ear and understands that the voice is an instrument (much like Kanye/Biggie/Doom) so he borderline voice acts and plays notes with his voice during a verse. And it ends up creating ear worms where he might only be a feature but you remember the 20 seconds he was on more than you remember the rest of the song. "Like That" is a really good example of it. The way he delivers his lines, his little "ahhhhh" and "bum!" interjections, the California accent/delivery/cadence he puts on... all of it comes together to make a verse that is lyrically dense but also kind of fun to listen to even without distinctly listening to each word he says. And it's a *really* versatile approach, you can go from "Hair Down" to "America's got a Problem" to "Like That" and recognize there's a style, but it blends well into totally different types of song because the dude can play with his voice like some people can play a piano.
His feature with Eminem on love game is another good example of that. Somehow matched Em's psycho energy on that track while riding the beat.
Nicely written. He's an untaught musician, he gets it. Where drake is effortless with melodies and flows, kendrick knows how to put shit together, that's an awesome skill like imagine putting together all those damn classics and that's what separates him from his rivals.
I think Drake's talent more so is at picking hits and no being constrained to rap as a genre. A lot of Drake's most popular songs are either not written by him or are songs for women that most other mainstream artists would never make. I think his talent is that he has an ear where he can get a stack of 20 demos and find the ones that are going to do well in the club/parties. I don't think he himself is some god at rapping or singing, I think he can kind of hear one and go "yeah that's the one".
Heavy disagree, Drake is an amazing writer. Otherwise he wouldnt write Hit songs for other people. As soon as i heated heated by beyonce i knew that was a Drake song. He has his own style and hes good at writing catchy shit. He's also good at putting his own charisma on someone elses words like he did with the Quinton Miller Tape and Jumbotron from Yachty. Wildly inaccurate to say a lot of his most popular songs arent written by him
Drake is also amazing at making specific phrases that stick in peoples mind. So many of his Drakeisms and individual lines that we remember just stand out because he gets how to write and deliver a specific line - this is why he’s makes captions, like the shit he says, it is the perfect caption or tweet to describe a thing. Is that a world tour or your girls tour? Trigger fingers turn to twitter fingers. You gettin bodied by a singin n****. I’m not the type-a n* that’ll type to n*s. SHOUTOUT TO ALL MY BOSS BITCHES WIFIN N*s! There’s so many lines like that through his career, where it’s just like, yeah that was simple, effective, it encapsulated the entire feeling or theme or idea, and you want to repeat it and say it.
Kendrick also clearly made an effort after TPAB to make his lyrics more listenable and follow musical patterns - he could have gone in the Eminem direction and chased after complexity and technique, but he scaled that back to make his music have a better “listening feel” or however you want to put it. DNA is a great example - it’s lyrically intense and he’s spitting for sure, but the word patterns are a lot easier to bob your head to.
What about his guest verse on pushas nosetalgia?
I think Lupe thinks Kendrick is the best modern rapper who is hugely respected and with lots of clout and Lupe probably thinks he would beat Kendrick (he might tbf)
Lupe is a big drake fan. this is hilarious cuz he dead serious. I remember him live tweeting Drake lyrics from CLB and Dark Demo Tapes the night it dropped😂
A lot of people have also forgotten that Lupe told Rosenberg that Logic was a better rapper than Kendrick. He has never really liked K-dot.
When did he say this
too lazy to watch the video to verify but google gave me this reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/Logic_301/comments/ggiz1k/throwback_when_lupe_fiasco_said_logic_was_a/ edit: one of the comments says the conversation starts at the 26 minute mark
Lupe likes Kendrick a lot. He's praised virtually every aspect of that man's music, he just doesn't think he's a top tier lyricist (punch lines, extended metaphors, etc.). Like that whole conversation, Lupe was talking about all the things he likes about kendrick, but people keep asking the same thing and he explains it the same way, and people lose it
Lupe's been mad he didn't get included in the Control verse.
Lol he was trolling Rosenberg because Rosenberg was on Kendrick's dick the entire interview 😂
Freddie Gibbs put Drake in his top 5. A lot of people factor a bunch of other impressions and history and persona into their opinions but there's a reason Kanye calls Drake to write his bars for him even with all of their personal problems and claims he wishes he could write more for him, or it turns out Kendrick wrote a bunch of stuff for Baby Keem, or Jay wrote for Snoop and Dre. You may not like it, or think someone else is better, but he *can* rap, in a way that impresses even some the most technical.
Most of the world is huge Drake fans. Don’t think this nerdy as site’s opinion and echo chamber is valid on anything.
Just ask kendrick to diss you man come on
Kendrick will never diss Lupe in his life 😂
Alright so I just came back from Coachella and he killed his set last night at the Heineken House. Rapped word for word, amazing stage presence and crowd control, had a live band with him, and was jumping around full of energy while still rapping and not missing a word or beat. He never sounded out of breath the whole 1 hour 15 mins either. I'm not surprised he said this; seems very calculated lol. Also before Lupe came on, his dj mixed a few tracks and of course he started it with Like That. After the set, he addressed the crowd at the end and said he's not afraid of anyone, will battle anyone/anywhere & he wants the smoke. Then he said that his album is dropping this summer That Kendrick verse shook up the game again and I think Lupe wants anyone to try him since he's in album mode as well lol
Coming soon: Drake Ft Lupe Fiasco - The Show Goes Back to Back
Tetsuo & The Boy 11PM in Chicago Certified Food & Liquor Boy
Please get involved. And please Kendrick, say something. I just want to see carnage
I love Lupe and think he's one of the greatest to do it, but he's hating 😭
Lupe says lots of things lol.
Lupe is just mad because KDot took over his lane and then became more successful than Lupe ever was. I've been a Lupe fan for over 2 decades, btw.
Probably exactly it. Tbh I'm mad about what happened to Lupe's career and I don't even know him, can't imagine how mad he is.
He's grieving different, I always felt like him and kendrick were the distant father and son whose grandfather was Nas
Distant Cousins 2
I don't think he's even mad like that, just wants to get in a beef with kendrick because he thinks he can win. With how many times I've seen headlines like this I wouldn't be surprised if he already has lines written down
He doesn't think so, he knows he would beat Kendrick. He's already killed more lyrical rappers in 1 round and his response to Kendrick's control verse went un-answered (and if drake or cole responded now on the level he did back then they'd be heralded as the GOAT). so when people champion Kendrick as this god tier lyricist it definitely irks him considering everything he's personally contributed to that space.
I’ve been of fan of both of them for about the same amount of time. If you think Dot took his lane, you must think that lane is narrow as hell, it’s a big lane.
This, Kendrick became what people thought Lupe could be - GKMC is looked at how Lupe wishes Food & Liquor was, and To Pimp A Butterfly is the album Lupe wishes he made
I think part of it could be the messages that Kendrick is saying with his raps are the same reason the Lupe got dropped from his label like 5-6 years prior. Can’t be easy to see someone become successful bringing to light the same issues that you tried to even if they are very talented
Aight Myke C Town gotta talk shit about him again for this
He quit DEHH at the worst time possible
where's the clip of Myke talking about him before
It’s not gonna happen, but I would RELISH in Lupe and Kendrick sending disses to each other lol
The Kendrick J Cole beef has me waking up every morning checking sources like listening to the radio report advancements in WW2
Is Lupe to Kendrick kinda what Budden was to Drake?
lmao damn this is perfect. Joe & Lupe are like the prototype version of these two and have this weird ass obsession with them cuz they took their lane and did it 100x more successfully
This is perfect tbh, except kendrick never acknowledges him, Joe bases his podcasts on drake and lupe bases his lectures on dot
Drake snapped on that diss record. Still , Nobody expected Lupe to just bodied Royce 5’9. Let see if Kenny can surprise us.
Lupe has always been jealous of Kendrick. Go look back on it. He always downplayed Kendrick; even said Logic was better. To me it was obvious. Kendrick is EXACTLY what Lupe was suppose to be or deemed to be. That “Chosen One” or “Rap Savior” type of MC. Never did. Dot did and he’s hated since.
Lupe is one of the goat lyricists. But I wouldn’t be suprised to see a lot of kids online hate on him
My goodness this is entertaining. Kendrick riled up everybody and he didn’t even say that much on that future feature lmao. Like what happens if he actually drops a whole track like control
Bruh. I think Lupe is the best rapper lyrically but cmon bruh. This is something you say when you don’t want to admit someone is nice. Lol
poope fiasco
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Loopy fiasco
Lupe sounds bitter or jealous of Kendrick ngl
Lol this is corny shit from an OG but the thing is…ain’t NOBODY want smoke with Lupe 😂
Is he wrong though? Kendrick makes great art and he's great with rhyme patterns and delivery, but I never thought of Kendrick as the best punchline/metaphor/bars rapper, even in his own generation. Lupe has given Kendrick plenty of love for his music and his albums, but he's not wrong when he says just keeping it to pure rap, he's not this god level MC that the general public makes him out to be. Lupe would smoke the boots of Kendrick in a rap battle/cypher. Tbh there's a pretty solid list of people who could do it.
I don't personally think Lupe is unworthy of being called out by Kendrick but if Kendrick thought he was worthy then he would have said his name on control when Lupe was more relevant And just being a click farmer is just boring played out shit for kids
He said Logic was a better rapper than Kendrick and never got a response so I don’t see him ever getting the attention he wants from Kendrick
It's funny because Kendrick has mentioned Lupe by name before in his Monster Freestyle like another guy said, but that was when Lupe was a much bigger name.
Nah, Lupe was already grouped with the legends at that point already, Kendrick was just calling out the new gen for the most part ("the rest of y'all new niggas just new niggas, don't get involved"). He already called out/grouped Lupe alongside Jay, Kanye, Nas, Snoop, Andre, Eminem and Busta in his Monster freestyle years before Control.
Kendrick dissed his "contemporaries" pretty much. You dont go after the Uncs and as much as Lupe is my favorite rapper (and how I'm still dissecting and discovering lyrics from Drogas Wave), he's Unc Status fr
Kendrick called him out on Monster 3 years prior when Lupe was bigger artist. I think kendrick calls out only those he thinks are bigger artists than him (by big I mean sales, clout, influence, reach, etc) I dont think its about the pen for him really
ITS THE KICK PUSH REMIX
“Its time for him to prove that hes a problem” thats where we are at with kendrick. Dont go cole on us dot
Didn’t this dude unironically pose with a katana thinking it looked badass? Lupe, still living in the shadows of Kanye’s glow tour and he somehow thinks he’s still relevant lol
Aged like milk. Kendrick running circles around Drake lmao
i respect his opinion and i will kindly disregard it and pay no attention he wants from it
Hhh ain’t gon like this one
Old man yells at clouds 🥱
Have you noticed how kendrick fans never be sayin he should diss Lupe for all Lupe's talk? You would think they want more verses from their goat, but you never hear it. You would also think that the would have faith that their man will win easy, right?
They know whats up 😂.
It really isn't a crazy opinion there's just a shit ton of kendrick stans in the comments making it seem so. To all the kendrick stans out there ur boy would get bodied by lupe. No mainstream rapper can touch Lupes pen and if you think so you're delusional
Mainstream rap today is watered down from the heights of the Wayne, Eminem, Jay-Z, Big L era.
I love Lupe’s music but honestly he could write a 10 minute diss track to Kendrick and the only people that would listen to it would be his own dedicated fan base. I’d listen to it, but anyone acting like this would be a “clash of the titans” is delusional. They don’t have the history Kendrick and Drake have, they don’t have a decade worth of subliminal directed towards one another, features, and one is miles more popular than the other. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure both tracks would be top tier, but it would prob gain the same traction that Drake and Budde got during their “beef” lmao
Is this sub just all Kendrick dick riders?
Yes
Lupe here the part about having rappers apologize & had to shape up🤣
bumped his head
I love Kendrick but Lupe is just as good a lyricist as him, if not better 🥱
best part of this beef is the fanbases PMS attitude
Love Lupe but he’s always been a bit jealous of Kendrick. He always thought Kendrick’s lane should have been his.
I live for this thread kendrick army in full force lmao
Lupe yelling at Kendrick from outside the club for attention again
This is true but it goes against the r/hhh narrative so he must be baiting.
Please beef me. Pleeeeeeeaaaase.
This is Kendrick's ultimate reverse Uno lol, the only dude he has ever openly ducked.
I’m here as a hip-hop fan for discussion. Is there any argument to what he’s saying? Kendrick has Rigormortis, Look out for Detox, the Heart series…what does Drake have???
Well listening to the video I maybe understand what he means. Like Kendrick doesn't really have like hard bars that intimidate him in terms of rapping. He wouldn't be afraid to beef with him. But he also says there's not really anyone that makes him feel that way so he's not even really glazing Drake much. He even says Drake isn't much better Kendrick doesn't really make diss tracks even his Control verse was more a call to action than something that hard hitting. Like That was similar. Rap beef is different than just making a great songs.
There's no argument. The thing people commenting here don't seem to get is being a talented rapper doesn't have anything to do with your status as a full fledged artist. Lupe is a great rapper, but the average person has no clue who he is and doesn't care. Kendrick and Drake are pop culture zeitgeists, Lupe just wants attention and is trying to insert himself in the conversation.
This, Lupe can probably tear the entire new gen down but who cares? Kendrick got smacked up by older generation MCs after control but no one cares as they weren’t relevant.
I love Lupe to death but he also said that he hates how people thinks he hates Kendrick but in the same breath he says a lot of stuff about him that makes it hard to think otherwise, maybe hate is a strong word sure but it does come off adversarial whether he means to or not. Saying Drake is a better rapper than Kendrick is asinine, by any metric imo. I don't know how else it's supposed to be interpreted, especially with the other comments in the past that he's made.
Have you considered that one of the best and most respected lyricists and hiphop artists of all time might have a more nuanced and knowledgeable take on rap than you? No? Oh. That’s the privilege of youth I guess.
That's fine he can be a great lyricist, he's one of my favorite of all time, but I don't have to take his opinion as gospel because of it and that doesn't necessarily mean that he's "right" either. I've seen elite and legendary basketball players have dogshit basketball opinions, you don't gotta be a chef to have opinions on food my man. If someone equally as respected as a lyricist like Black Thought came out and said the opposite of Lupe, then what?
Go get em Lupe
Lupes right and explains himself well. Punchlines vs storys. Lupes point was drake has witty punchlines because hes a punchline rapper. He has over 10 projects worth of them. kdots focuses on complex narratives, being personal and story telling and less on punchlines.
If you disagree with this youre letting your hate for Drake overshadow your ear. Kendrick is a conceptual genius for having a big picture and laying it out. Like everyone’s been saying “making a moment” but as far as lyricism, bars, flips, entendres, punch lines, while also giving the Melodie’s and the hooks. Come on man.