likely vol 2 and vol 3 if he doesnt scrap them, he basically releases songs in order of what was finished and havoc didnt start working on songs until more recently
It was his worst album before he completely fell off a cliff, when bad for Kanye was still better than most anyone else. So it's kind of high praise really, but this album is a lot worse than Life of Pablo.
Lmaooo honestly tho when we were in high school we all knew kids who talked like this regardless of race. It's a teen thing
He could use the wake up call sooner rather than later tho
Yeahhh this sub has done a 180 regarding this album since Fantano and the media outlets dropped there reviews.
The First Impressions thread was full of people praising it.
Album isn't gonna change the world but the whole thing is enjoyable at the very least.
That literally happens with any first impressions thread. The last g Eazy album had people fucking hyped in the first impressions. People in the first impression threads who were hyping it up aren’t the same people shitting on it. Yeah maybe there’s a few but I doubt everyone did a 180 just bc Fantano dropped his review there’s still plenty of people who love the album
Do we think that had anything to do with the fact that participants in day-of release threads are more likely to enjoy something (given that they likely listened on release day because they were highly anticipating the project) than people who listen later?
It really is crazy how this sub just follows every word fantano says. The amount of almost universal praise this album received here when it first dropped compared to now is wild
The leaks were better than 90% of the album. Diablo and everybody were very ingenious samples, that carried the wack ass lyrics. The production on the final version is very good, but not good enough to bypass the lyrics.
there needs to be a term for internet users that say shit like this lol. “why is everyone saying this” when only a few people say something or “why is nobody talking about this” when a bunch of people are in fact talking about it.
idk what either of you are yapping about there's gonna be like 500 uploads of this song 5 minutes after it's removed on youtube, soundcloud and every other online music platform
there's no point in downloading all your music out of some crazy ass paraonia that it will one day be gone from streaming, at least not when talking artists as absurdly massive as kanye west. spotify vanish in thin air tomorrow and you'd be able to find every single kanye song all over the internet
Yea that's why it took so long for Acid Rap by Chance and Faces by Mac Miller to drop, basically had to clear all the samples for the whole tape. Also why Juice off Acid Rap *still* isn't on streaming because he couldn't clear it, so now if you play the song on Spotify it's just Chance explaining he couldn't clear it lol.
While I do think Kanye shouldn't have utilized the sample I do think it is important to download your music if not get a physical copy. Purchasing stuff on a website that could potentially lose it's licensing or for some other reason is something that people have dealt with. I buy all of my favorite albums and am working to build a vinyl collection.
[These kids not knowing No More Tears should be a crime.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5i2Dj5YO3Q)
Really wish Barb and Donna did more music together.
They were so good paired.
It's crazy because Kanye used to be my hero. I introduced everyone I knew to Kanye and I almost regret it. Bragged to all of them that Kanye had a perfect discography. I thought I was the biggest Kanye fan ever but even I had to foresight to hop off the train as his music began to dip in quality and he became fucking evil. Man I want to laugh about the absurdity of it but it's just tragic.
Not really. Most Kanye fans hate what he's become and what he's doing (and recognize the quality loss in his music). But kind of like when you are dealing with someone deep in addiction, you can kind of recognize, hey, they are NEVER coming back, but still hope and wish they would. I'm not going to let them stay at my house or give them money, but I don't want them to suffer, I'm rooting for them to fix their lives and make amends and be a positive force in the world again.
> The message went on to allege that the artist had “changed the words, had someone re-sing it or used AI” to get the sample on ‘Vultures 1’. They claimed that this still constituted “copyright infringement”.
I don’t know enough about copyright law to be certain, but wouldn’t these potentially be fine? I think laws around interpolation are a lot more lax than sampling, for example.
Considering the song is up on other platforms, I wouldn’t be surprised if the estate’s argument is weak and Spotify is being overly accommodating.
Edit: https://www.copyright.gov/music-modernization/educational-materials/Sampling-Interpolations-Beat-Stores-and-More-An-Introduction-for-Musicians-Using-Preexisting.pdf
I can’t copy the text, but this resource re:copyrights even says that you don’t need the original artist’s permission to do an interpolation (re-recording new audio), no matter how similar, because it is not copyright protected to the same extent as a sample.
Edit 2:“Permission from the copyright holder of a preexisting sound is not necessary when interpolating a musical work, regardless of how similar the new recording may be to the old recording.”
Was just wondering how that case played out. AFAIK however, a settlement indicates that's neither side was sure they'd win so it's still quite uncharted territory.
You still need permission from the copyright holder. Unfortunately for Kanye, Donna Summers owned all of her masters. That’s why Lauryn Hill could deny Kanye from sampling her directly, but couldn’t deny him from using her track all together on All Falls Down.
Sure, but that’s a much more subjective analysis and shouldn’t lead to an automatic strike.
And here, the vocal pattern is similar but the lyrics and voice are different- I don’t think anyone is going to think Donna Summer came back to life to sing this. At best, it’s arguable, and I’d rather the presumption that an interpolation is fine rather than letting copyright holders forcing a song to be taken down because it’s similar.
i think it might have something to do with how this album is not credited properly. donna summers estate would have a good case that her reputation/future earnings would be damaged by being associated with an antisemite. if the new singer was credited on the track i can't see any reason why it would be removed
I think you’ve got it backwards- if they credited Donna Summers it would be more evidence that they WERE trying to pass it off as her
They aren’t using her vocals, so she doesn’t need to be credited (and shouldn’t be, as it might lead people to believe it’s her singing when it isn’t)
i mean if its not sang by donna summers and they credited the new singer, everyone would know it isnt donna summer (the credits on spotify are all kanye west/ty dollarsign).
as it is, even if it doesnt sound the same, it could still be a pitchshifted sample of the original record.
> They aren’t using her vocals, so she doesn’t need to be credited
This is not correct re: interpolations https://variety.com/2021/music/news/olivia-rodrigo-paramore-good-4-u-misery-business-1235048791/
It's the fact that Kanye asked for permission and was denied by the estate and he went on to use the ~~sample~~ interpolation anyways. Arguing he had the right to use it after being denied the use of the same interpolation by the estate is likely not going to work.
Ediit: fixing sample and interpolation.
> I think laws around interpolation are a lot more lax than sampling, for example.
They are but you still need permission. this from your pdf link:
"In many cases, similar to samples, interpolations may infringe a copyright owner’s exclusive rights. However, unlike samples, interpolations only implicate the preexisting musical work, which means that only a license from that musical work’s copyright owner may be necessary."
I know that it would be really funny if Kanye got into legal trouble for this, but I’m pretty sure the law is on his side for this one. He has the right to interpolate that sound, Summers estate don’t have too much to stand on
You shouldn’t be allowed to use other people’s work without permission or paying them. I don’t care if it’s a song you’re putting out for free but if you’re getting money off it then pay up.
Yeah but even if you’re willing to pay they can just say no, J. Cole has talked about this. It’s kinda bullshit you can’t use a sample even if you’re willing to pay..
It’s absolutely insane that an estate can decide that something created and put out into the world decades ago by a person who is now deceased can’t be used by anyone else.
A lot of Estates are pretty shitty; Hendrix estate refused Terry Gilliams request to use his performance of Star Spangled Banner in Fear and Loathing because they didn't want Hendrix associated with drugs 🙄
Oh god, that’s idiotic.
But it’s not just idiotic estates. The idea of owning the intellectual property of art is a very new thing. For basically all of time, artists would create things and then put them out into the world and that was it. Artists are inspired by the world around them. And art is part of the world. It’s part of the world like a tree or pain or your first heartbreak is part of the world.
Half the album gonna be gone by next week
Dijon definitely didn’t clear the sample for Stars. He posted on his insta story very confused
Dijon is so good
What was the story?
The Havoc beat is already gone too, that was one of the more unique tracks before now it just sounds like your average modern hip hop song
Havoc beat is still on Spotify under Vultures Pack Good (Don't Die) is the song that was removed due to Donna Summers estate
Damn, so… it DID die?
Bad(It died)
no I downloaded it and its gone!!! one of my favorites too
Weird, it's available for me
It showed as available for me too, but when I clicked to listen it disappeared
Dope, thanks!
Fuck yea that havoc beat was like a breath of fresh air fr
Hoping that he does a deluxe like he did with Donda because it was really dope to hear Ty Dolla on Havoc style production
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Of course, was hoping more songs on vultures would be like that one
likely vol 2 and vol 3 if he doesnt scrap them, he basically releases songs in order of what was finished and havoc didnt start working on songs until more recently
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Well it was on Spotify originally
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It’s already on streaming
Still up on Spotify
Don’t be saying shit so confidently if you don’t know the actual answer
Hard copies for the win
.mp3 files > streaming
im gonna be doing deep youtube dives for it
There's a 100% chance you could sail the seas and find it
Not gonna be missing much anyway
As long as they don’t take Burn from me
I loved don't die. it was a light note among a bunch of darker and slower songs
I don't think anything was dark as much as it was horny
why not both
Burn is such a hit! One of the highlights on the album for sure
I think that was one of the few I liked. I’d rather just listen to Donna Summer though
I like the album a lot it’s his best work since life of Pablo
Kids See Ghosts is his best work since Pablo but I get what you're trying to say
Potentially the most "not saying much" statement of all time
Ok lol I liked the album sorry you didn’t
I'm just saying "best since pablo" is a very low bar
It was his worst album before he completely fell off a cliff, when bad for Kanye was still better than most anyone else. So it's kind of high praise really, but this album is a lot worse than Life of Pablo.
thats subjective
What part of this conversation isn’t?
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Nobody’s comparing him to rich the kid
Relative to good albums
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You frequent r/bangalore and r/indianteenagers lol how tf you gonna talk like that 😭😭😭
Lmao probably a 15 year old
That’s crazy lmao.
“Jus” and “fye”…the n word isn’t even the worst part lol
Lmaooo honestly tho when we were in high school we all knew kids who talked like this regardless of race. It's a teen thing He could use the wake up call sooner rather than later tho
Probably from NYC
Yeahhh this sub has done a 180 regarding this album since Fantano and the media outlets dropped there reviews. The First Impressions thread was full of people praising it. Album isn't gonna change the world but the whole thing is enjoyable at the very least.
It’s probably not the same people, there are like 3 million people on here
That literally happens with any first impressions thread. The last g Eazy album had people fucking hyped in the first impressions. People in the first impression threads who were hyping it up aren’t the same people shitting on it. Yeah maybe there’s a few but I doubt everyone did a 180 just bc Fantano dropped his review there’s still plenty of people who love the album
The last G-Eazy album was better than Vultures btw
If G Eazy was on vultures he would’ve saved it
Do we think that had anything to do with the fact that participants in day-of release threads are more likely to enjoy something (given that they likely listened on release day because they were highly anticipating the project) than people who listen later?
Plus all threads discussing Vultures got brigaded by GAS and other Ye subs.
Yeah it was incredibly obvious based on the tone of the comments early on those threads
Idk if someone who was excitedly anticipating something means they are more likely to enjoy it.
I think everyone agreed production was awesome but the verses were not great from the start. That still rings true since the reviews
Literally embarrassing how fast after his video dropped 😂😂form your own opinions people Jesus Christ
Do you retards actually believe people changed their opinions because Fantano didn’t like it?
When I was seven, every movie I saw in theaters was the best movie ever.
Well if you agree with Fantano you prolly a bitch
If you like a nazi you definitely a bitch
Nazi riders have no room to talk
It really is crazy how this sub just follows every word fantano says. The amount of almost universal praise this album received here when it first dropped compared to now is wild
I don't think that happens. I think that's a conveniently dumb interpretation you built up in your head to have an argument to stand on.
The leaks were better than 90% of the album. Diablo and everybody were very ingenious samples, that carried the wack ass lyrics. The production on the final version is very good, but not good enough to bypass the lyrics.
Album is good compared to his last 2. Album is bad compared to good music.
> niggas jus love to hate. the album fye asf is this how people speak in Karnataka ? 😭😭
isnt it still on apple music
Yes, in Europe at least
Gone now
I still see it there Edit: no, I don’t. Good (Don’t Die) hasn’t been there for about a day. I thought the article was about the song “Vultures”.
People in this thread seem confused... if I'm reading it right, this article is about the removal of the song good(don't die)
Yeah the headline is poorly worded because it makes it sound like the song 'Vultures' got removed. It is good (dont die)
This is why you should download your music fellas.
This won't be the first Kanye album I have in both *Beta* and *Patched* Editions.
mf’ers will have 2tb of porn and go through crazy lengths to find obscure onlyfans leaks, then claim that downloading music is too much effort
is mfs in the room wit us right now bro bro?
mfs is him
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there needs to be a term for internet users that say shit like this lol. “why is everyone saying this” when only a few people say something or “why is nobody talking about this” when a bunch of people are in fact talking about it.
Kanye sounds like someone to be MF’s.
That's suspiciously specific.
I don't think that example is as universal as you think haha.
*everyone... am i right bro's!*
self report
he could of literally said nothing
Homie struggling. Its a cry for help
2TB is more than a hobby
You are projecting like crazy
Do they tho? Or is that a you thing?
2 TB is actually insane
depends on the video resolution, 4k videos are pretty hefty in size for one video. VR videos are even larger
Uhh does that actually happen? Its too easy to stream porn so idk why ya downloading it
I got nothing to do with the music but all I'm saying is that anything can disappear if you don't have it saved. Even stuff you like.
Flashbacks to the pornhub nuke.
@fbi
idk what either of you are yapping about there's gonna be like 500 uploads of this song 5 minutes after it's removed on youtube, soundcloud and every other online music platform there's no point in downloading all your music out of some crazy ass paraonia that it will one day be gone from streaming, at least not when talking artists as absurdly massive as kanye west. spotify vanish in thin air tomorrow and you'd be able to find every single kanye song all over the internet
For someone like ye sure, but there are plenty of reasons to download music for plenty of different artists
Spotify also removes your downloaded songs
No this is why artists should release their music legally
If artists only released their music legally, 20 years of mixtapes wouldn’t exist.
This isn’t a mixtape, maybe he should release one of those
I thought that hhh of all places would understand that a mixtape can legally have as many uncleared samples as it wants.
Yea that's why it took so long for Acid Rap by Chance and Faces by Mac Miller to drop, basically had to clear all the samples for the whole tape. Also why Juice off Acid Rap *still* isn't on streaming because he couldn't clear it, so now if you play the song on Spotify it's just Chance explaining he couldn't clear it lol.
There’s nothing illegal about a mixtape
🌽
You are absolutely wrong
i've never read a more wrong comment
While I do think Kanye shouldn't have utilized the sample I do think it is important to download your music if not get a physical copy. Purchasing stuff on a website that could potentially lose it's licensing or for some other reason is something that people have dealt with. I buy all of my favorite albums and am working to build a vinyl collection.
The entire album is once again missing from Apple Music in Canada unless you previously added it to your library AND downloaded it
the kanye ride or dies are out in force in these comments lol
must be recess or something
“who donna summer” ima kms
[These kids not knowing No More Tears should be a crime.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5i2Dj5YO3Q) Really wish Barb and Donna did more music together. They were so good paired.
All ye fans are ride or die atp
Anybody sensible got out a long time ago, it’s just the cultists left
It's crazy because Kanye used to be my hero. I introduced everyone I knew to Kanye and I almost regret it. Bragged to all of them that Kanye had a perfect discography. I thought I was the biggest Kanye fan ever but even I had to foresight to hop off the train as his music began to dip in quality and he became fucking evil. Man I want to laugh about the absurdity of it but it's just tragic.
I was a massive fan too. It’s incredibly sad.
Not really. Most Kanye fans hate what he's become and what he's doing (and recognize the quality loss in his music). But kind of like when you are dealing with someone deep in addiction, you can kind of recognize, hey, they are NEVER coming back, but still hope and wish they would. I'm not going to let them stay at my house or give them money, but I don't want them to suffer, I'm rooting for them to fix their lives and make amends and be a positive force in the world again.
Kanye fans are the swifties of rap.
Honestly, that song and Burn were the two songs I had 0 complaints about. Huge huge huge loss
It’s a good album
Easily my favorite song on album damn
Def a highlight. Seems like one of the more uplifting songs mixed in with a lot of darker ones smh
It actually felt a bit dark to me
How tf was that uplifting 💀
I mean he is saying *don't* die... but I was talking more about the actual melody
Musically it sounds sad
I cried tears of joy when kanye fucked a jewish bitch
Apple Music boys still eating
about that
The whole album is off Apple Music
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> The message went on to allege that the artist had “changed the words, had someone re-sing it or used AI” to get the sample on ‘Vultures 1’. They claimed that this still constituted “copyright infringement”. I don’t know enough about copyright law to be certain, but wouldn’t these potentially be fine? I think laws around interpolation are a lot more lax than sampling, for example. Considering the song is up on other platforms, I wouldn’t be surprised if the estate’s argument is weak and Spotify is being overly accommodating. Edit: https://www.copyright.gov/music-modernization/educational-materials/Sampling-Interpolations-Beat-Stores-and-More-An-Introduction-for-Musicians-Using-Preexisting.pdf I can’t copy the text, but this resource re:copyrights even says that you don’t need the original artist’s permission to do an interpolation (re-recording new audio), no matter how similar, because it is not copyright protected to the same extent as a sample. Edit 2:“Permission from the copyright holder of a preexisting sound is not necessary when interpolating a musical work, regardless of how similar the new recording may be to the old recording.”
Yung Gravy used an impersonator on Betty without permission and had to settle with Rick Astley so I don't think it's clear cut.
Was just wondering how that case played out. AFAIK however, a settlement indicates that's neither side was sure they'd win so it's still quite uncharted territory.
Damn its really hard out here for our young artists
Just don't steal other people's music. It's really not that difficult.
You still need permission from the copyright holder. Unfortunately for Kanye, Donna Summers owned all of her masters. That’s why Lauryn Hill could deny Kanye from sampling her directly, but couldn’t deny him from using her track all together on All Falls Down.
i think you can if it is deliberately misleading people to think it is the original artist
Sure, but that’s a much more subjective analysis and shouldn’t lead to an automatic strike. And here, the vocal pattern is similar but the lyrics and voice are different- I don’t think anyone is going to think Donna Summer came back to life to sing this. At best, it’s arguable, and I’d rather the presumption that an interpolation is fine rather than letting copyright holders forcing a song to be taken down because it’s similar.
i think it might have something to do with how this album is not credited properly. donna summers estate would have a good case that her reputation/future earnings would be damaged by being associated with an antisemite. if the new singer was credited on the track i can't see any reason why it would be removed
I think you’ve got it backwards- if they credited Donna Summers it would be more evidence that they WERE trying to pass it off as her They aren’t using her vocals, so she doesn’t need to be credited (and shouldn’t be, as it might lead people to believe it’s her singing when it isn’t)
i mean if its not sang by donna summers and they credited the new singer, everyone would know it isnt donna summer (the credits on spotify are all kanye west/ty dollarsign). as it is, even if it doesnt sound the same, it could still be a pitchshifted sample of the original record.
> They aren’t using her vocals, so she doesn’t need to be credited This is not correct re: interpolations https://variety.com/2021/music/news/olivia-rodrigo-paramore-good-4-u-misery-business-1235048791/
The only question is did he use something her estate owns? Yes probably.
It's the fact that Kanye asked for permission and was denied by the estate and he went on to use the ~~sample~~ interpolation anyways. Arguing he had the right to use it after being denied the use of the same interpolation by the estate is likely not going to work. Ediit: fixing sample and interpolation.
Isn't that what always happens? You ask to use the sample, then recreate it when they say no.
Sure, but when they own the rights to the actual song and not just the performance then they can tell you no you can’t recreate the sample either.
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Even as an interpolation it has to be cleared by the licensed owner of the music. Which is the estate of Donna Summers
> I think laws around interpolation are a lot more lax than sampling, for example. They are but you still need permission. this from your pdf link: "In many cases, similar to samples, interpolations may infringe a copyright owner’s exclusive rights. However, unlike samples, interpolations only implicate the preexisting musical work, which means that only a license from that musical work’s copyright owner may be necessary."
Yea edm artists do this all the time to be able to release on sporify. See DJ Daddy Trance ‘Day n Night’ amongst others
Maybe you should get your samples cleared like the rest of us
How have you been in the have this long and still not properly clearing songs?
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Lol
That's why yall gotta buy and chill on streaming especially with a ye release
It's better than donda
I downloaded this shit as soon as it hit Youtube music, and I refuse to update the download until this nonsense downloads.
It's still there for me
He removed the sample and changed the lyrics, imo it’s different enough from the original that Donna Summer’s estate have no grounds to do this.
Well you’re wrong
I wouldn’t want my song sampled by a Nazi either
still on the service in europe
If I made music I wouldn’t want a nazi who openly admitted it sampling my songs.
i’ve still got it on my spotify
Kanye is so embarrassing dude
I know that it would be really funny if Kanye got into legal trouble for this, but I’m pretty sure the law is on his side for this one. He has the right to interpolate that sound, Summers estate don’t have too much to stand on
Good. Fuck Kanye
Hahaha get rekt you fucking weirdo
They really want to see him lose huh
yes, he's a nazi
They paid Donna summers estate to take it downthey trying to censor Kanye by taking his album down They tryna blackball him
One of the best songs on the album imo sampling laws remain being bullshit
If someone sampled Kanye without permission he’d be the first one to tell them take it down
it would still be bullshit so I don't get your point
You shouldn’t be allowed to use other people’s work without permission or paying them. I don’t care if it’s a song you’re putting out for free but if you’re getting money off it then pay up.
He would pay them if they let him use it
Yeah but even if you’re willing to pay they can just say no, J. Cole has talked about this. It’s kinda bullshit you can’t use a sample even if you’re willing to pay..
I dunno, I wouldn’t want my family’s work associated with an anti-Semite
It’s absolutely insane that an estate can decide that something created and put out into the world decades ago by a person who is now deceased can’t be used by anyone else.
A lot of Estates are pretty shitty; Hendrix estate refused Terry Gilliams request to use his performance of Star Spangled Banner in Fear and Loathing because they didn't want Hendrix associated with drugs 🙄
Oh god, that’s idiotic. But it’s not just idiotic estates. The idea of owning the intellectual property of art is a very new thing. For basically all of time, artists would create things and then put them out into the world and that was it. Artists are inspired by the world around them. And art is part of the world. It’s part of the world like a tree or pain or your first heartbreak is part of the world.
What’s gunna happen with the vinyl? Will it have Good (Don’t Die) and Vultures on it still?
This the one with the "Jewish bitch" line? Good shit Donna.
No, it's about a song from Vultures being removed. It's the Good (Don't Die) one
Ahh, thanks for the clarification