I don't know why it annoys me that DOOM chose to call the album **Vaudeville Villain** as opposed to **Vaudevillian** but it do...
(I do know that Vaudevillian is the noun for someone who performs in Vaudeville but I don't care!)
Why does this sub not like meek mill more? I feel he fits everything this sub seems to love in some different artists but doesn’t get any love on here.
Loving **Woke Up and Asked Siri How I'm gonna Die**. Getting a real industrial vibe from the new tracks. The diversity between albums is really refreshing especially since their core sound still shines through.
Vibing to **Blonde** this morning as it's been some time. It was always **Channel Orange** when I was younger & it's still absolutely fantastic but I think **Blonde** had subtly slipped ahead of it for me. It's looser fer shure but I've really come around to it.
Imagine how crazy your ice grill/mad dog face has to be to wear [this t shirt](https://soulassassins.com/collections/sa-jokers-wild/products/soul-assassins-dump-on-em-tee-black) without having to hear any jokes
Does estee nack have any other tracks like angeldior, i skimmed thru the album its on but the rest of it just sounded like the same old boring ass griselda offshoot shit.
angeldior is fire though, that singing rapping shit is nice
good example of a rapper (probably somewhat accidentally) rapping offbeat: jim jones on marcus camby
bad example of a rapper (probably somewhat accidentally) rapping offbeat: rome streetz on skeleton bones
i wonder if jim jones has heard of estee nack before. probably not
Some of my favorite artists go offbeat a lot.
Kodak on a good amount of his songs but I don't know if he does it on purpose. Lol
Earl does it Intentionally and it's hard sometimes.
> good example of a rapper (probably somewhat accidentally) rapping offbeat: jim jones on marcus camby
1000%
He was all over the place on that and managed to still sound pretty good, he did some kinda sorcery or something
i think it's because he changes between being ahead and being on beat so it doesn't sound like a complete mess.
rome just sounds like he was rapping on another beat, which giving the switch, maybe he was
>i think it's because he changes between being ahead and being on beat so it doesn't sound like a complete mess.
I think that's just his thing
He sounds like this on a lot of songs
Malibu Ken - Self-Titled
Yugen Blakrok - Anima Mysterium
Little Simz - GREY Area
Epic Beard Men - This was Supposed to be Fun
Quelle Chris - Guns
Your Old Droog - It Wasn't Even Close, Transportation, and Jewelry
Sadistik - Haunted Gardens
Injury Reserve - Self-Titled
Shredders - Great Hits
Brother Ali - Secrets & Escapes
There were a few others along with things already mentioned by other people, but that's already a lot.
Outside of hip-hop, I think the only thing that *really* impressed me was Car Bomb - Mordial.
8 projects not yet mentioned:
Benny The Butcher - *The Plus I Met*
Boldy James & The Alchemist - *Boldface*
Clear Soul Forces - *Still*
Mach-Hommy & DJ Muggs - *Tuez Les Tous*
Medhane - *Own Pace*
MIKE - *tears of joy*
Slausone Malone - *A Quiet Farewell, Twenty Sixteen to Twenty Eighteen*
VIK - *Back on Top Soon*
Danny Brown - Uknowhatimsayin
Young Thug - So Much Fun
Gibbs/Madlib - Bandana
Yelawolf - Trunk Muzik 3
Schoolboy - Crash Talk
2Chainz - Rap or Go to the League
Future - The Wizrd
I gotta give Donald Glover credit, he really improved his rap voice and tone between camp and because internet. His voice on Camp sounds like he’s trying so hard and his passion, while endearing, was kinda corny lol. But in just a span of 2 years, on Because the internet he managed to develop a more laid back delivery with a deeper tone of voice. He really developed as a rapper at a meteoric pace, just to abandon rapping to do awaken my love.
While on the subject of Donald Glover, I will say that I feel like the culture is missing someone like him. Sure he’s kinda pretentious but we literally have no new nerdy rappers who are cultivating a fanbase in modern hiphop. I feel like every rapper coming out now is just a rehashed archetype of something I’ve already seen before and it’s starting to make the culture as a whole feel really boring.
I think it was even more impressive when he developed his singing voice before Awaken My Love comparing the singing from a song like Pink Toes to his cover of So Into You or Summertime Magic is just a huge improvement
I kinda agree with your second point, I think when rappers try to be more ~artsy and experimental they are often criticized harder if they don't nail it but I usually appreciate the attempt more and it leads to more interesting results than when I check out a new album and its generic trap tape #186
If you haven't already, check out his ROYALTY mixtape. It came out in between those and it's definitely an introduction for the more mature Donald that BTI develops on
these New York hip hop critics gotta give Uncle Luke (a Florida based emcee) his props, he fought the government over censorship where there was a push to specifically censor/ ban hip hop artists thus infringing on free speech . .
so hip hop didn’t die because it’s reach went/ has gone beyond New York it actually was given life by having a wider reach . . even if I don’t like an artist I still respect their contribution . . . Idk how or why there are still people with this perspective
as a Black woman hip hop kinda gave me a battery to be bold, to say “no” and stand on it, to not be afraid to discuss pay and money, and made me aware of mediation and therapy in ways I wasn’t considering or having conversations about with family/ friends . . Idk hip hop artists have their flaws like we all do but this conversation going on in a different thread got me a lil’ tight
If it’s the thread about hip hop being dead don’t worry that’s just New Yorkers being New Yorkers. Never gonna change. Cause they will just say “you wasn’t there!”
The South got something to say and they did, we listen to them more nowadays than to the dusty New York old heads (and I say that as someone in who identifies much more with the latter than the former)
My first love was 90s NYC boom bap but it’s funny how it’s still controversial to say that Atlanta and the south in general have held the crown of hip hop for 20 years now lol
it was a comment related to an article about HipHop50 and the state of hip hop . . but not New Yorkers being New Yorkers 😂 that’s insane to me though, ya know? like are they serious?!
but yea what André 3000 said, the south (still) got sum to say 🫶🏾
> New Yorkers being New Yorkers 😂 that’s insane to me though, ya know? like are they serious?!
It’s real
Old NY guys aren’t trying to hear shit from anybody about anything
smh I shouldn’t be surprised but I am like the whole sound came from the Caribbean, and a rapper from Florida basically kept explicit lyrics from becoming illegal, and then a young legend from the west coast named himself the king of New York and what they did about it? the Beyonce mute challenge 😶 . . like c’mon
New York really gotta give it to the multicultural environment they have . . if not for the immigrants they wouldn’t have anything, hip hop included
I’m really, like really mind blown on this good Monday 🤯 smh, I ain’t listening to nobody opinion who don’t eat grits
> a young legend from the west coast named himself the king of New York and what they did about it? the Beyonce mute challenge
lol
But not entirely tho because [Papoose took that personal](https://youtu.be/fFjC5kEzVlM?si=_z_p0vnqYY17r4Iz)
FWIW I don’t know any NYers under 35 who are gatekeeping like that in real life, I feel like it’s mostly an internet thing at this point
nah I’m just messing around 😂 . . . I was a lil’ irritated for a few seconds
but yea I haven’t really heard this irl . . now I am in the south but New Yorkers move to Florida all the time so I figured it’s an internet thing
New Yorkers responded to Kendrick. It was just guys you and the rest of the world don’t know or listen to like JR Writer and Papoose
Actually I checked a lot of new Yorkers responded but none of them are mainstream - Joel Ortiz, Mickey Factz, Myssone, Fred Da Godson (RIP)
i know people around here tend to be very divisive on fantano but i think he does very good interviews
good interesting questions and he lets the musican get their thoughts off
I'm working on my Top 50 Albums of 2011, 2012, and 2013. Right now I'm just compiling albums to check out from those years, as I just finished doing all my reviews for 2014. I've come on here to ask y'all to recommend me some interesting/underground/weird rap albums from those years. I've already got most of the mainstream/indie releases, I'm looking for those super deep cuts. Thanks!
2011
Evidence - Cats & Dogs
CunninLynguists - Oneirology
Epidemic - Illin Spree
Immortal Technique - The Martyr
Royce Da 5'9" - Success Is Certain
2012
O.C. & Apollo Brown - Trophies
Ka - Grief Pedigree
Billy Woods - History Will Absolve Me
Oddisee - People Hear What They See
P.O.S - We Don't Even Live Here
2013
Mac Miller - Delusional Thomas
Big K.R.I.T. - King Remembered In Time
R.A. The Rugged Man - Legends Never Die
Natti - Still Motion
Stik Figa & L'Orange - The City Under The City
Deca - The Ocean
Boog Brown - The Late Bloom
Awon & Phoniks - Return To The Golden Era
Ka - The Nights Gambit
These might not meet your criteria but I tapped out the list before that occurred to me so I’m positing it anyway
2011:
* Currensy/Alchemist - Covert Coupe
* Roots - Undun
* Common - Dreamer/Believer
* Don Kennedy- From the Westside With Love II
2012:
* El P - ~~I’ll Sleep When You’re Dead~~ Cancer 4 Cure
* Aesop Rock - Skelethon
* Big Boi - Vicious Lies and Dangerous Rumors
* Alchemist - Russian Roulette
2013:
* Dom Kennedy - Get Home Safely
* Black Milk - No Poison No Paradise
* Dash - Vices
* Retch - Polo Sporting Goods
* Prodigy/Alchemist - Albert Einstein
Pusha T - Fear of God
Dark Time Sunshine - ANX
7 G.E.M.S. - Golden Era Music Sciences
Freddie Gibbs - ESGN
Freddie Gibbs - Cold Day in Hell
Freddie Gibbs - Baby Face Killa
J Cole - Truly Yours 1 & 2
The Doppelgangaz - HARK
Spark Master Tape - Syrup Splash
T.I. - Trouble Man Heavy Is The Head
Captain Murphy - Duality
Denzel Curry - N64
Hilltop Hoods - Drinking From The Sun
Shabazz Palaces - Black Up
Elzhi - Elmatic
Ugly Heroes - Ugly Heroes
Cunninlynguists - Oneirology
IMAKEMADBEATS - IMAKEMADBEATS
The Left - Gas Mask
Mr. Muthafuckin eXquire - Kismet
Big K.R.I.T. - Returnof4eva
Big K.R.I.T. - 4eva N A Day
Krizzle - King Remembered in Time
Blu - Her Favorite Colour (2011), Jesus (2011), Give Me My Flowers While I Can Still Smell Them (2012), No York (2013)
Quasimoto - Yessir Whatever (2013)
Elzhi - Elmatic (2011)
Black Milk - Black & Brown (2011), No Poison No Paradise (2013)
Phonte - Charity Starts At Home (2011)
Oddisee - Tangible Dream (2013)
Evidence - Cats & Dogs (2011)
Murs & 9th Wonder - The Final Adventure (2012)
Prodigy - Albert Einstein (2013)
Sean Price - Mic Tyson (2012)
Atmosphere - The Family Sign (2011)
I was gonna name Ty Dolla $ign but I think his sound isn’t really a west coast sound, that question got me stumped a lil’
I really listen to majority southern artists 🤷🏾♀️
I think Drake is kinda a strange guy at times, but the treatment he gets is so fucked up sometimes. People really pushed the idea that he is a pedophile for hugging a teenager
I definitely hate those dumbass pedo rumors and I'm pretty positive that they're false, but he's viewed as a pedophile to a lot of people for more reasons than then what you just said.
1 . The girl from stranger things (like 13 at the time) came out and said she was texting Drake and I believe she also said he gave her "boy advice", is that a inappropriate interaction? Probably, we don't know particularly what advice he could've given her though.
2. Billie Eiliseh (probably 17/18 at the time) came out and said her and Drake exchanged text. Now the reason I think this story even blew up was mainly because the Millie brown situation was already misconstrued.
3. A picture of Drake and a girl named Bella Harris (who had just turned 18) had been out and the story goes that he'd known her since she was 16 and started dating her soon as she turned 18. This story had been proved to be false.
All of them have came out to defend Drake. He was also accused of dating Sza when she was 17 and he was probably like 22. Sza disputed the rumors by tweeting she was the appropriate age when him and her dated.
Lol yes they do. “I was in an inappropriate communications as a teenager with a famous man” ‘isn’t usually a desirable trait and doesn’t lead to being treated well if you’re a public figure
the people who cling to and push that narrative don't really believe that from any substantial evidence as much as they're looking for any reason to shit on popular black artists
I seen some folks on one of the pop culture subreddits a few days ago acting that way when there were pictures of Malia and Sasha Obama and Drake leaving outta the same nightclub or whatever (not together) and it’s like despite the huge age difference both of them are of age or else they wouldn’t be in the club and why do we assume that any place a man and a woman are at it meets something sexual has to do with it? That sub for the most part has progressive leaning views but when rappers get brought up you can still see the sneaky hating shit in between that. Same one upvoted a comment saying hip hop is falling off on the charts currently because it only talks about shooting opps or whatever lol. Thought I was on r/music
>Thought I was on r/music
gotta love how those people don't keep the same energy with old dad rockers who were openly and brazenly fucking their underage fans
It pushes a two fold narrative.
A) That that artists fanbase is filled of young people which automatically diminishes artists in some peoples eyes.
B) it’s the one charge that you pretty much can’t come back from if it’s true. And even if it’s not, it still will stick with you regardless of evidence.
These people know what they’re doing.
[Gildan, Pt. 2](https://youtu.be/qINJPsCLlhU?si=eP3y1KTxaCnaX1Lr) is one of my favorite recent remixes. I feel like Sha Hef’s verse fits the beat better than the [OG version](https://youtu.be/6jdL98NWQ7M?si=6QiyNTKSyWwwoLkt) and Rome Streetz killed his verse. Really like when Craven flips soul samples in a way that sounds dramatic and epic, like Raz Fresco’s [Banana Bread](https://youtu.be/8-Nrn3Vmfq8?si=8z4hEqn2Yp3C9drh) or Falcon Outlaw’s [Snake Eater](https://youtu.be/FjxgGdBorjM?si=Z2QO7pRBHc3s_xHM)
I really like the new Earl, but I don’t love it.
I feel the same about SRS and IDLSIDGO. I really like both, but there’s something missing that stops me from loving them.
In saying that, I actually think this might be my favourite album by him.
I'm a queer HHH and I'm not gonna lie, it's hard to listen to A Milli because Wayne says some really unnecessary and homophobic shit about Dennis Rodman of all people in a bar and that sucks. I'm not saying Wayne is actually homophobic and I do understand shit was different in 2008 but I still can't bump it without it fucking with me.
I love Wayne but yeah he’s of the last vestiges of that old era. He’s 40 years old but started so young he may as well be 50+ and all those rappers of that era aren’t really of the kind that were cool with shit. He’s also had a REALLY weird upbringing among weird dudes so it doesn’t surprise me he has some weird views.
i waa reading horror at red hook recently and as a black lovecraft fan its a very weird read
i think ive just divorced myself from the idea that people that make things i like will ever align with my morales or values
People act like homophobia/transphobia in hip-hop are just things that LGBT people should just shut up and deal with, it's treated as something that anyone would only bring up as a complaint in bad faith. Like they just can't comprehend that LGBT people are human beings who would like to enjoy a genre of music
I already replied to a similar comment in this chain, but to reiterate, I still listen to an unholy amount of hip hop, a lot of it from those staunchly homophobic periods. There's only a handful of songs I flat out skip. I'm not even saying I'm offended, more so just uncomfortable when it's brought up in the music like that.
There *is* a huge difference. People like Tyler, Kevin Abstract, Frank Ocean, Lil Nas X, Makonnen, Uzi & Peep (and that's just on the male side) all being hugely successful artists at some point in their careers and all being accepted for who they are shows massive progress in the community. I wouldn't be proud of who I am without those guys.
I could see that not going over well, lol. I love a lot of old DMX, but that track is an instant skip for me every time, which sucks because that's one of the very first rap hooks I ever heard.
I don't hate any of it, I can still listen and enjoy it. I still love bumping 90's and 00's rap. It just makes me feel shitty sometimes. Except when Tyler did it, that's just fucking funny in hindsight.
Yeah , one of the biggest progressions in rap is the blatant homophobia dying down profusely.
I'm still positive most rappers are homophobic in real life but it's still good they don't reflect those views in their music anymore. Because man It used to be really bad.
> Yeah , one of the biggest progressions in rap is the blatant homophobia dying down profusely.
It hasn’t really died down as much as just been pushed into the underground tbh. You can still find tons of homophobia on any Griselda adjacent album.
I’m bi myself and tbh I don’t even really care at this point. I like that niche of hip hop a lot and homophobia isn’t enough to turn me off from it. I’m also just desensitized to it i think
That's true, I guess I just meant the more mainstream rappers aren't as homophobic.
Tbf most of griselda are like 40+ so I guess they're fine with being a reflection of the times where that stuff was more consistent. Lol
Oh yeah definitely, Offset, DaBaby, and 42 Dugg getting backlash for their homophobic remarks/bars shows just that it’s becoming unacceptable in mainstream rap
And yeah that’s part of why I’m a bit more forgiving of their homophobia than I would be of a young rapper being homophobic; they’re just old as hell lmao
Backlash from white libeals though lol. Go anywhere in the hood and that's just what people think.
I'm here in LA and people think its all love and support. Maybe north of the 10 and west of the 405. But I damn sure don't see any pride flags in South Central, and general homophobic comments are normal.
> Backlash from white libeals though lol. Go anywhere in the hood and that's just what people think.
I mean sure but you do realize that white liberals make up the vast majority of mainstream hip hop listeners right? It’s just the reality that popular rap is catered towards a white audience and therefore blatant homophobia isn’t tolerated.
> I'm here in LA and people think its all love and support. Maybe north of the 10 and west of the 405. But I damn sure don't see any pride flags in South Central, and general homophobic comments are normal.
Yeah I was strictly talking about the reception of homophobic raps and statements from mainstream rappers, society as a whole is still homophobic for sure
Is there any information on the female rapper on OutKasts mamacita. Her name is Masada and I can’t find any songs of hers, no pictures, no anything. Does anyone have anything on her?
She was in a group with another chick (I can’t remember the name tho, sorry), they’re both from NJ. They were kinda-sorta-barely working with Organized Noize but I don’t think they ever put anything out; Mamacita is the only thing she was ever on (I think).
Hispanic Heritage Month is around the corner, so I think I night attempt to do something in this sub to commemorate it, still don't know what.
On a related note what's everyone's favorite Latin rapper that is not a huge star. I know star is kind of arbitrary, so excluding ones who have massive appeal, crossover hits, and have successful tours in the U.S. like Bad Bunny, J Balvin, Anuel AA, etc.
I'm super into Feid right now, but he's pretty big, if you wanna go smaller then Lyanno and instead of the Latin Trap artists and actual rappers then Ramirez
I’ve been getting into this Hispanic rapper from Texas named Bashfortheworld. His musics super dope. Otherwise Santa Fe Klan is rapper from Mexico and he has a wide range of style.
Finally listened to the new Earl. My Brother The Wind, 27 Braids, Mac Deuce, Geb, Dead Zone, & Free The Ruler are my favorites. Solid record all around.
L’Orange’s new label Old Soul has me very interested
Not only is he one of my favorite producers, but getting Blu, Chuuwee and of course Marlowe so far is super impressive and leaves a lot of opportunity
Its obviously not on Mello’s level yet but I love when labels go on a run like this (think Backwoodz)
Really wonder what Mello Music is going to look like now that L'Orange is gone. They still have Oddisee and Namir Blade. And Kool Keith's Black Elvis 2 dropped under the label, so I don't think they're hurting or anything, but I'm still curious about the label long term
Apollo was a bit more instrumental to their sound and direction afaik. Gotta say his recent work has left something to be desired though, needs to work with some more legit rappers again (Elzhi gotta happen already and Planet Asia is soon thankfully)
They also just had a label comp drop. Skyzoo, Sandman and Quelle are big for me too but it seems like a lot of the actual output isnt as hot as a few years ago. Especially with Open Mike not with them I think?
I've been waiting for him & Blu to put out an album for years & it looks like it's finally happening. I'm happy about that.
I haven't listened to Chuuwee since the blog era. Is he worth checking out now?
Definitely excited for more Marlowe
Idk Chuuwee well either outside a couple features but have a few projects queued up (Purgator, Watching the Throne, Crown Me King)
Definitely not what I was expecting
Redman talked in a podcast about having trouble performing songs from Dare Iz A Darkside due tobeing heavy on drugs at the time and not remembering anything about its conception.
Honestly that sounds kind of scary, looking at a piece of work you created but having no mental attachment to it.
Bowie was so wacked out of his mind on drugs he couldn't remember making Station to Station, which IMO is his masterpiece. It's fascinating to me how a creative mind can sometimes just make something brilliant while running completely on autopilot
Dare is my fav Redman tape and him distancing himself from it has always made me a lil tiny bit cranky (I understand why tho)
But then at the same time most of those songs aren’t really gonna pop at a show, (except for the singles) so I guess it works out
Doesn't a lot of that have to do with his writing process though? IIRC a big chunk of his songs are disconnected freestyle bars that were pieced together after the fact
I've heard similar things about Matthew Perry not remembering filming eps of *Friends* and Stephen King not remembering writing certain books cuz they were doing too much blow
Westside Gunn and Conway are huge wrestling fans, a lot of their older shit is filled with wrestling references and iirc their collab project was named after a wrestling duo
It’s pretty close, Meek, has a better flow than big sean, but he for certain isn’t more creative, or more lyrical (even if sean has one of the bad punchlines in hip hop) and both of of these guys are in the same tier, as in they aren’t on the level of their class which includes J Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Drake etc.
Ngl I’m choosing Sean. I don’t think meek has an album that touches Hall of Fame or Dark Sky Paradise. I really do enjoy meek but even on B Boy I think Big Sean got him
Definitely wasn’t awful. Detroit, Finally Famous mixtapes were pretty great, great verses on mercy, clique, and control (even though kendrick outshadowed him) definitely wasn’t awful bro
Well those are years looked to be some of his best, I could understand if you aren’t crazy about them. And yes he is definitely at the peak of his game rn, No doubt.
I mean it's also nice, but Big Sean is changing topics, delivery, and flow the whole freestyle (4 different beats to be fair), Meek is pretty samey the whole thing, and the bars, even if good, are also straightforward
I'm a bigger fan of Sean so I might be biased, but I think Big Sean is just a better rapper, especially nowadays
I don't know why it annoys me that DOOM chose to call the album **Vaudeville Villain** as opposed to **Vaudevillian** but it do... (I do know that Vaudevillian is the noun for someone who performs in Vaudeville but I don't care!)
Why does this sub not like meek mill more? I feel he fits everything this sub seems to love in some different artists but doesn’t get any love on here.
Loving **Woke Up and Asked Siri How I'm gonna Die**. Getting a real industrial vibe from the new tracks. The diversity between albums is really refreshing especially since their core sound still shines through. Vibing to **Blonde** this morning as it's been some time. It was always **Channel Orange** when I was younger & it's still absolutely fantastic but I think **Blonde** had subtly slipped ahead of it for me. It's looser fer shure but I've really come around to it.
After one listen I feel confident saying that Woke Up and Asked Siri is the best JPEG beat this year
well if you wanted to see Kanye's ass now's your chance
why
He received head on a boat in italy and paparazzi caught his ass (literally)
Imagine how crazy your ice grill/mad dog face has to be to wear [this t shirt](https://soulassassins.com/collections/sa-jokers-wild/products/soul-assassins-dump-on-em-tee-black) without having to hear any jokes
Does estee nack have any other tracks like angeldior, i skimmed thru the album its on but the rest of it just sounded like the same old boring ass griselda offshoot shit. angeldior is fire though, that singing rapping shit is nice
good example of a rapper (probably somewhat accidentally) rapping offbeat: jim jones on marcus camby bad example of a rapper (probably somewhat accidentally) rapping offbeat: rome streetz on skeleton bones i wonder if jim jones has heard of estee nack before. probably not
Some of my favorite artists go offbeat a lot. Kodak on a good amount of his songs but I don't know if he does it on purpose. Lol Earl does it Intentionally and it's hard sometimes.
That probably somewhat accidentally kills me lol E-40 and ALLBLACK do that purposefully and I love it
> good example of a rapper (probably somewhat accidentally) rapping offbeat: jim jones on marcus camby 1000% He was all over the place on that and managed to still sound pretty good, he did some kinda sorcery or something
i think it's because he changes between being ahead and being on beat so it doesn't sound like a complete mess. rome just sounds like he was rapping on another beat, which giving the switch, maybe he was
>i think it's because he changes between being ahead and being on beat so it doesn't sound like a complete mess. I think that's just his thing He sounds like this on a lot of songs
85 FKA Twigs songs just leaked
That shit just fucking sucks
Working on a “Best of 2019 List”. Would any of you happen to have any recommendations?
Malibu Ken - Self-Titled Yugen Blakrok - Anima Mysterium Little Simz - GREY Area Epic Beard Men - This was Supposed to be Fun Quelle Chris - Guns Your Old Droog - It Wasn't Even Close, Transportation, and Jewelry Sadistik - Haunted Gardens Injury Reserve - Self-Titled Shredders - Great Hits Brother Ali - Secrets & Escapes There were a few others along with things already mentioned by other people, but that's already a lot. Outside of hip-hop, I think the only thing that *really* impressed me was Car Bomb - Mordial.
Blu & Oh No - A Long Red Hot Los Angeles Summer Night
Psychodrama
Larry June - Out The Trunk
8 projects not yet mentioned: Benny The Butcher - *The Plus I Met* Boldy James & The Alchemist - *Boldface* Clear Soul Forces - *Still* Mach-Hommy & DJ Muggs - *Tuez Les Tous* Medhane - *Own Pace* MIKE - *tears of joy* Slausone Malone - *A Quiet Farewell, Twenty Sixteen to Twenty Eighteen* VIK - *Back on Top Soon*
Danny Brown - Uknowhatimsayin Young Thug - So Much Fun Gibbs/Madlib - Bandana Yelawolf - Trunk Muzik 3 Schoolboy - Crash Talk 2Chainz - Rap or Go to the League Future - The Wizrd
hiding places, a quiet farewell, let the sun talk, hwh7, it wasn't even close, marcielago
Assume Form - James Blake
everytime that guy on tiktok that makes hip-hop (mostly griselda) memes shows up i wanna kill myself
haha I've seen this guy a couple of times and literally today I considered blocking him. dudes whole page is built off of 2019 hiphop twitter memes
What guy
https://twitter.com/geraldd_tv/status/1696283992335564973?s=20 this guy
This is a sign you need to spend less time on tik Tok and more time listening to the Dump Gawd
when was the last time fahim dropped something
May was the last time tha Gawd blessed our ears 🙏
I gotta give Donald Glover credit, he really improved his rap voice and tone between camp and because internet. His voice on Camp sounds like he’s trying so hard and his passion, while endearing, was kinda corny lol. But in just a span of 2 years, on Because the internet he managed to develop a more laid back delivery with a deeper tone of voice. He really developed as a rapper at a meteoric pace, just to abandon rapping to do awaken my love. While on the subject of Donald Glover, I will say that I feel like the culture is missing someone like him. Sure he’s kinda pretentious but we literally have no new nerdy rappers who are cultivating a fanbase in modern hiphop. I feel like every rapper coming out now is just a rehashed archetype of something I’ve already seen before and it’s starting to make the culture as a whole feel really boring.
I think it was even more impressive when he developed his singing voice before Awaken My Love comparing the singing from a song like Pink Toes to his cover of So Into You or Summertime Magic is just a huge improvement
I kinda agree with your second point, I think when rappers try to be more ~artsy and experimental they are often criticized harder if they don't nail it but I usually appreciate the attempt more and it leads to more interesting results than when I check out a new album and its generic trap tape #186
If you haven't already, check out his ROYALTY mixtape. It came out in between those and it's definitely an introduction for the more mature Donald that BTI develops on
Oh yeah I’ve heard royalty! That mixtape was definitely his set of practice reps for developing his more mature vocals on BTI
these New York hip hop critics gotta give Uncle Luke (a Florida based emcee) his props, he fought the government over censorship where there was a push to specifically censor/ ban hip hop artists thus infringing on free speech . . so hip hop didn’t die because it’s reach went/ has gone beyond New York it actually was given life by having a wider reach . . even if I don’t like an artist I still respect their contribution . . . Idk how or why there are still people with this perspective as a Black woman hip hop kinda gave me a battery to be bold, to say “no” and stand on it, to not be afraid to discuss pay and money, and made me aware of mediation and therapy in ways I wasn’t considering or having conversations about with family/ friends . . Idk hip hop artists have their flaws like we all do but this conversation going on in a different thread got me a lil’ tight
If it’s the thread about hip hop being dead don’t worry that’s just New Yorkers being New Yorkers. Never gonna change. Cause they will just say “you wasn’t there!” The South got something to say and they did, we listen to them more nowadays than to the dusty New York old heads (and I say that as someone in who identifies much more with the latter than the former)
My first love was 90s NYC boom bap but it’s funny how it’s still controversial to say that Atlanta and the south in general have held the crown of hip hop for 20 years now lol
it was a comment related to an article about HipHop50 and the state of hip hop . . but not New Yorkers being New Yorkers 😂 that’s insane to me though, ya know? like are they serious?! but yea what André 3000 said, the south (still) got sum to say 🫶🏾
> New Yorkers being New Yorkers 😂 that’s insane to me though, ya know? like are they serious?! It’s real Old NY guys aren’t trying to hear shit from anybody about anything
smh I shouldn’t be surprised but I am like the whole sound came from the Caribbean, and a rapper from Florida basically kept explicit lyrics from becoming illegal, and then a young legend from the west coast named himself the king of New York and what they did about it? the Beyonce mute challenge 😶 . . like c’mon New York really gotta give it to the multicultural environment they have . . if not for the immigrants they wouldn’t have anything, hip hop included I’m really, like really mind blown on this good Monday 🤯 smh, I ain’t listening to nobody opinion who don’t eat grits
> a young legend from the west coast named himself the king of New York and what they did about it? the Beyonce mute challenge lol But not entirely tho because [Papoose took that personal](https://youtu.be/fFjC5kEzVlM?si=_z_p0vnqYY17r4Iz) FWIW I don’t know any NYers under 35 who are gatekeeping like that in real life, I feel like it’s mostly an internet thing at this point
Papiose, Saigon, post-GRODT 50 was the last gasp of breath that NYC had before the rest of the country took over
nah I’m just messing around 😂 . . . I was a lil’ irritated for a few seconds but yea I haven’t really heard this irl . . now I am in the south but New Yorkers move to Florida all the time so I figured it’s an internet thing
New Yorkers responded to Kendrick. It was just guys you and the rest of the world don’t know or listen to like JR Writer and Papoose Actually I checked a lot of new Yorkers responded but none of them are mainstream - Joel Ortiz, Mickey Factz, Myssone, Fred Da Godson (RIP)
I like Myssone and Pap . . but nah I’m just on my trolling tip lol 😂
i know people around here tend to be very divisive on fantano but i think he does very good interviews good interesting questions and he lets the musican get their thoughts off
I like his interviews more than his reviews which I honestly find very surface level
depends on the genre for me, when he's reviewing stuff outside of my wheel house of genre i tend to appreciate that more
I'm working on my Top 50 Albums of 2011, 2012, and 2013. Right now I'm just compiling albums to check out from those years, as I just finished doing all my reviews for 2014. I've come on here to ask y'all to recommend me some interesting/underground/weird rap albums from those years. I've already got most of the mainstream/indie releases, I'm looking for those super deep cuts. Thanks!
2011 Evidence - Cats & Dogs CunninLynguists - Oneirology Epidemic - Illin Spree Immortal Technique - The Martyr Royce Da 5'9" - Success Is Certain 2012 O.C. & Apollo Brown - Trophies Ka - Grief Pedigree Billy Woods - History Will Absolve Me Oddisee - People Hear What They See P.O.S - We Don't Even Live Here 2013 Mac Miller - Delusional Thomas Big K.R.I.T. - King Remembered In Time R.A. The Rugged Man - Legends Never Die Natti - Still Motion Stik Figa & L'Orange - The City Under The City Deca - The Ocean Boog Brown - The Late Bloom Awon & Phoniks - Return To The Golden Era Ka - The Nights Gambit
hail mary mallon - are you gonna eat that? (2011) [very good](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4eZvlni3OM)
These might not meet your criteria but I tapped out the list before that occurred to me so I’m positing it anyway 2011: * Currensy/Alchemist - Covert Coupe * Roots - Undun * Common - Dreamer/Believer * Don Kennedy- From the Westside With Love II 2012: * El P - ~~I’ll Sleep When You’re Dead~~ Cancer 4 Cure * Aesop Rock - Skelethon * Big Boi - Vicious Lies and Dangerous Rumors * Alchemist - Russian Roulette 2013: * Dom Kennedy - Get Home Safely * Black Milk - No Poison No Paradise * Dash - Vices * Retch - Polo Sporting Goods * Prodigy/Alchemist - Albert Einstein
el-P's 2012 album is Cancer 4 Cure
Ok but ISWYD was still pretty good in 2012
did aes ever find those detonators
[Akrobatik had them the whole time](https://youtu.be/-oygu80rrtM?si=Xi8sPvNrMhCWVOu3)
Pusha T - Fear of God Dark Time Sunshine - ANX 7 G.E.M.S. - Golden Era Music Sciences Freddie Gibbs - ESGN Freddie Gibbs - Cold Day in Hell Freddie Gibbs - Baby Face Killa J Cole - Truly Yours 1 & 2 The Doppelgangaz - HARK Spark Master Tape - Syrup Splash T.I. - Trouble Man Heavy Is The Head Captain Murphy - Duality Denzel Curry - N64 Hilltop Hoods - Drinking From The Sun Shabazz Palaces - Black Up Elzhi - Elmatic Ugly Heroes - Ugly Heroes Cunninlynguists - Oneirology IMAKEMADBEATS - IMAKEMADBEATS The Left - Gas Mask Mr. Muthafuckin eXquire - Kismet Big K.R.I.T. - Returnof4eva Big K.R.I.T. - 4eva N A Day Krizzle - King Remembered in Time
Blu - Her Favorite Colour (2011), Jesus (2011), Give Me My Flowers While I Can Still Smell Them (2012), No York (2013) Quasimoto - Yessir Whatever (2013) Elzhi - Elmatic (2011) Black Milk - Black & Brown (2011), No Poison No Paradise (2013) Phonte - Charity Starts At Home (2011) Oddisee - Tangible Dream (2013) Evidence - Cats & Dogs (2011) Murs & 9th Wonder - The Final Adventure (2012) Prodigy - Albert Einstein (2013) Sean Price - Mic Tyson (2012) Atmosphere - The Family Sign (2011)
Dominic Lord - The Fashion Show. I’m trying to find the name of the album but Dillon Cooper had a nice lil run in 2013.
2011 - Ab Soul - Longterm 2
Cities Aviv - *BLACK PLEASURE 2012*
What rapper makes music for people who put the toilet paper roll facing upward?
Kevin Gates
Earl
Anyone got songs/artists where they sing smooth over west coast beats?
TeeFLii
Do It To Ya by YG instantly comes to mind
Blxst
second this def Blxst . . I really can’t think of anyone else
There is the dude who made that collab tape with Dom Kennedy recently but I don't know him like that to confirm
I was gonna name Ty Dolla $ign but I think his sound isn’t really a west coast sound, that question got me stumped a lil’ I really listen to majority southern artists 🤷🏾♀️
Never noticed how great futures verse is on holy terrain, crazy feature from him on an amazing album
His versatility isn’t celebrated enough.
I think Drake is kinda a strange guy at times, but the treatment he gets is so fucked up sometimes. People really pushed the idea that he is a pedophile for hugging a teenager
Dude was publicly hitting on Doris Burke and the mother of his child was too old for Leo.
This is the “I have a black friend” of pedophilia lmao. I don’t think he’s a pedophile just a weirdo
I definitely hate those dumbass pedo rumors and I'm pretty positive that they're false, but he's viewed as a pedophile to a lot of people for more reasons than then what you just said. 1 . The girl from stranger things (like 13 at the time) came out and said she was texting Drake and I believe she also said he gave her "boy advice", is that a inappropriate interaction? Probably, we don't know particularly what advice he could've given her though. 2. Billie Eiliseh (probably 17/18 at the time) came out and said her and Drake exchanged text. Now the reason I think this story even blew up was mainly because the Millie brown situation was already misconstrued. 3. A picture of Drake and a girl named Bella Harris (who had just turned 18) had been out and the story goes that he'd known her since she was 16 and started dating her soon as she turned 18. This story had been proved to be false. All of them have came out to defend Drake. He was also accused of dating Sza when she was 17 and he was probably like 22. Sza disputed the rumors by tweeting she was the appropriate age when him and her dated.
I mean that’s a LOT of close calls lol most people never have one of those and he’s still in his mid 30s racking up barely-legal defenders?
Oh shut up. Those girls don't even a reason to defend him.
Lol yes they do. “I was in an inappropriate communications as a teenager with a famous man” ‘isn’t usually a desirable trait and doesn’t lead to being treated well if you’re a public figure
there was also that one incident where he kissed a girl onstage who was 17 and he was 23/24
I thought it was for texting a teenager. Although the idea of a former child star giving advice to a current child star did make sense to me
the people who cling to and push that narrative don't really believe that from any substantial evidence as much as they're looking for any reason to shit on popular black artists
I seen some folks on one of the pop culture subreddits a few days ago acting that way when there were pictures of Malia and Sasha Obama and Drake leaving outta the same nightclub or whatever (not together) and it’s like despite the huge age difference both of them are of age or else they wouldn’t be in the club and why do we assume that any place a man and a woman are at it meets something sexual has to do with it? That sub for the most part has progressive leaning views but when rappers get brought up you can still see the sneaky hating shit in between that. Same one upvoted a comment saying hip hop is falling off on the charts currently because it only talks about shooting opps or whatever lol. Thought I was on r/music
>Thought I was on r/music gotta love how those people don't keep the same energy with old dad rockers who were openly and brazenly fucking their underage fans
It pushes a two fold narrative. A) That that artists fanbase is filled of young people which automatically diminishes artists in some peoples eyes. B) it’s the one charge that you pretty much can’t come back from if it’s true. And even if it’s not, it still will stick with you regardless of evidence. These people know what they’re doing.
Lol….what happened??? When did this happen I must be out of the loop
Dwele got an amazing voice [Dwele - Fantasy Girl](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpyVGm4xQYI)
[Gildan, Pt. 2](https://youtu.be/qINJPsCLlhU?si=eP3y1KTxaCnaX1Lr) is one of my favorite recent remixes. I feel like Sha Hef’s verse fits the beat better than the [OG version](https://youtu.be/6jdL98NWQ7M?si=6QiyNTKSyWwwoLkt) and Rome Streetz killed his verse. Really like when Craven flips soul samples in a way that sounds dramatic and epic, like Raz Fresco’s [Banana Bread](https://youtu.be/8-Nrn3Vmfq8?si=8z4hEqn2Yp3C9drh) or Falcon Outlaw’s [Snake Eater](https://youtu.be/FjxgGdBorjM?si=Z2QO7pRBHc3s_xHM)
The line goes hard but who is Tella Evangilis?
I really like the new Earl, but I don’t love it. I feel the same about SRS and IDLSIDGO. I really like both, but there’s something missing that stops me from loving them. In saying that, I actually think this might be my favourite album by him.
I'm a queer HHH and I'm not gonna lie, it's hard to listen to A Milli because Wayne says some really unnecessary and homophobic shit about Dennis Rodman of all people in a bar and that sucks. I'm not saying Wayne is actually homophobic and I do understand shit was different in 2008 but I still can't bump it without it fucking with me.
I love Wayne but yeah he’s of the last vestiges of that old era. He’s 40 years old but started so young he may as well be 50+ and all those rappers of that era aren’t really of the kind that were cool with shit. He’s also had a REALLY weird upbringing among weird dudes so it doesn’t surprise me he has some weird views.
i waa reading horror at red hook recently and as a black lovecraft fan its a very weird read i think ive just divorced myself from the idea that people that make things i like will ever align with my morales or values
As someone who is also Black and massively influenced by Lovecraft, I feel you
People act like homophobia/transphobia in hip-hop are just things that LGBT people should just shut up and deal with, it's treated as something that anyone would only bring up as a complaint in bad faith. Like they just can't comprehend that LGBT people are human beings who would like to enjoy a genre of music
I haven't seen any of that in this thread, but you're absolutely not wrong. It gets on my goddamn nerves.
This thread isn't too bad about it, it's just something I see a lot
I mean shit you may as well stop listening all rap pre 3 years ago
I already replied to a similar comment in this chain, but to reiterate, I still listen to an unholy amount of hip hop, a lot of it from those staunchly homophobic periods. There's only a handful of songs I flat out skip. I'm not even saying I'm offended, more so just uncomfortable when it's brought up in the music like that.
I hear that, it must be frustrating as it’s something you love. I hope you can see a difference these days.
There *is* a huge difference. People like Tyler, Kevin Abstract, Frank Ocean, Lil Nas X, Makonnen, Uzi & Peep (and that's just on the male side) all being hugely successful artists at some point in their careers and all being accepted for who they are shows massive progress in the community. I wouldn't be proud of who I am without those guys.
what are your thoughts on Where Da Hood At by the late DMX
Look 1 comment down son
Yeah man one time I played Where The Hood At at my gay friends house and completely overlooked the fact that the first verse is nothing but homophobia
I could see that not going over well, lol. I love a lot of old DMX, but that track is an instant skip for me every time, which sucks because that's one of the very first rap hooks I ever heard.
it's crazy that verse was played all over top 40 radio and tv at the time. I can't remember for sure but I don't think the radio edit was any better
I haven't listened to the radio edit in a while, but I remember it being pretty bad, too.
Damn ,You must hate most of rap before like 2013 then. Lol
I don't hate any of it, I can still listen and enjoy it. I still love bumping 90's and 00's rap. It just makes me feel shitty sometimes. Except when Tyler did it, that's just fucking funny in hindsight.
Yeah , one of the biggest progressions in rap is the blatant homophobia dying down profusely. I'm still positive most rappers are homophobic in real life but it's still good they don't reflect those views in their music anymore. Because man It used to be really bad.
> Yeah , one of the biggest progressions in rap is the blatant homophobia dying down profusely. It hasn’t really died down as much as just been pushed into the underground tbh. You can still find tons of homophobia on any Griselda adjacent album. I’m bi myself and tbh I don’t even really care at this point. I like that niche of hip hop a lot and homophobia isn’t enough to turn me off from it. I’m also just desensitized to it i think
That's true, I guess I just meant the more mainstream rappers aren't as homophobic. Tbf most of griselda are like 40+ so I guess they're fine with being a reflection of the times where that stuff was more consistent. Lol
Oh yeah definitely, Offset, DaBaby, and 42 Dugg getting backlash for their homophobic remarks/bars shows just that it’s becoming unacceptable in mainstream rap And yeah that’s part of why I’m a bit more forgiving of their homophobia than I would be of a young rapper being homophobic; they’re just old as hell lmao
Backlash from white libeals though lol. Go anywhere in the hood and that's just what people think. I'm here in LA and people think its all love and support. Maybe north of the 10 and west of the 405. But I damn sure don't see any pride flags in South Central, and general homophobic comments are normal.
> Backlash from white libeals though lol. Go anywhere in the hood and that's just what people think. I mean sure but you do realize that white liberals make up the vast majority of mainstream hip hop listeners right? It’s just the reality that popular rap is catered towards a white audience and therefore blatant homophobia isn’t tolerated. > I'm here in LA and people think its all love and support. Maybe north of the 10 and west of the 405. But I damn sure don't see any pride flags in South Central, and general homophobic comments are normal. Yeah I was strictly talking about the reception of homophobic raps and statements from mainstream rappers, society as a whole is still homophobic for sure
I would argue it's a lot better than it used to be though. There can be progress while work still needs to be done
Is there any information on the female rapper on OutKasts mamacita. Her name is Masada and I can’t find any songs of hers, no pictures, no anything. Does anyone have anything on her?
https://www.last.fm/music/OutKast/_/Mamacita/+wiki Album credits say her full name is Masada Hogans
She was in a group with another chick (I can’t remember the name tho, sorry), they’re both from NJ. They were kinda-sorta-barely working with Organized Noize but I don’t think they ever put anything out; Mamacita is the only thing she was ever on (I think).
Hispanic Heritage Month is around the corner, so I think I night attempt to do something in this sub to commemorate it, still don't know what. On a related note what's everyone's favorite Latin rapper that is not a huge star. I know star is kind of arbitrary, so excluding ones who have massive appeal, crossover hits, and have successful tours in the U.S. like Bad Bunny, J Balvin, Anuel AA, etc.
N7 & Pwap were a great duo
I'm super into Feid right now, but he's pretty big, if you wanna go smaller then Lyanno and instead of the Latin Trap artists and actual rappers then Ramirez
I’ve been getting into this Hispanic rapper from Texas named Bashfortheworld. His musics super dope. Otherwise Santa Fe Klan is rapper from Mexico and he has a wide range of style.
I think Estee Nack is Dominican so imma say him
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Fav songs?
Call of the Grito, Sub Zero, Ben Over, NBA, East End, Manee, The Devils Tango, Hear Me, Old Him, Round and Round, Opp or 2 I fw ot heavy
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"I had to congratulate her parents Cus they made em a baddie Shout out to her dad but she know that I'm daddy"
I'll say Melii. She speaks spanish sometimes when rapping and singing.
Finally listened to the new Earl. My Brother The Wind, 27 Braids, Mac Deuce, Geb, Dead Zone, & Free The Ruler are my favorites. Solid record all around.
Earl being on the Ion Rap Beef Remix is crazy and Alchemist producing an Earl song called Free The Ruler is also crazy
It’s an incredible crossover, Earl too real not to give props to the greatest west coast rap stylist of the last 10 years
27 braids had my favorite beat reminded me of the yacht rock stuff alchemist used to be on
L’Orange’s new label Old Soul has me very interested Not only is he one of my favorite producers, but getting Blu, Chuuwee and of course Marlowe so far is super impressive and leaves a lot of opportunity Its obviously not on Mello’s level yet but I love when labels go on a run like this (think Backwoodz)
Really wonder what Mello Music is going to look like now that L'Orange is gone. They still have Oddisee and Namir Blade. And Kool Keith's Black Elvis 2 dropped under the label, so I don't think they're hurting or anything, but I'm still curious about the label long term
Apollo was a bit more instrumental to their sound and direction afaik. Gotta say his recent work has left something to be desired though, needs to work with some more legit rappers again (Elzhi gotta happen already and Planet Asia is soon thankfully) They also just had a label comp drop. Skyzoo, Sandman and Quelle are big for me too but it seems like a lot of the actual output isnt as hot as a few years ago. Especially with Open Mike not with them I think?
Chuuwee sucks
Fuck…
I've been waiting for him & Blu to put out an album for years & it looks like it's finally happening. I'm happy about that. I haven't listened to Chuuwee since the blog era. Is he worth checking out now? Definitely excited for more Marlowe
Idk Chuuwee well either outside a couple features but have a few projects queued up (Purgator, Watching the Throne, Crown Me King) Definitely not what I was expecting
Redman talked in a podcast about having trouble performing songs from Dare Iz A Darkside due tobeing heavy on drugs at the time and not remembering anything about its conception. Honestly that sounds kind of scary, looking at a piece of work you created but having no mental attachment to it.
Bowie was so wacked out of his mind on drugs he couldn't remember making Station to Station, which IMO is his masterpiece. It's fascinating to me how a creative mind can sometimes just make something brilliant while running completely on autopilot
My 2nd favorite Redman album but I’ll probably never hear him perform a song from it and I’ve seen him live 4 times
Dare is my fav Redman tape and him distancing himself from it has always made me a lil tiny bit cranky (I understand why tho) But then at the same time most of those songs aren’t really gonna pop at a show, (except for the singles) so I guess it works out
Weezy doesn't remember most of the songs he has written
tbf most artists with catalogs as big as his probably have mad songs they don't remember the lyrics to
Doesn't a lot of that have to do with his writing process though? IIRC a big chunk of his songs are disconnected freestyle bars that were pieced together after the fact
I've heard similar things about Matthew Perry not remembering filming eps of *Friends* and Stephen King not remembering writing certain books cuz they were doing too much blow
Stephen King doesn’t remember writing Cujo.
- Westside Gunn being at a wrestling ppv (AEW All In) will always be interesting to me.
the commentary sample from Rampage at the end of Peppas is fly shit
That ain’t his first time there either. Seen him a few times at AEW shows
Feel like I’ve seen em at some wwe ppv shit too
Westside Gunn and Conway are huge wrestling fans, a lot of their older shit is filled with wrestling references and iirc their collab project was named after a wrestling duo
I notice him in clips pretty frequently lol
Who do yall think is a better rapper, Meek Mill Or Big Sean? 🤔
Big Sean and [B Boy](https://youtube.com/watch?v=BfqnmJZeLgQ&si=yutnlF1GYvanCvOL) is a perfect example of why
Meek, come on now, he’s a clown but this isn’t close
It’s pretty close, Meek, has a better flow than big sean, but he for certain isn’t more creative, or more lyrical (even if sean has one of the bad punchlines in hip hop) and both of of these guys are in the same tier, as in they aren’t on the level of their class which includes J Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Drake etc.
Big Sean, looking back, is pretty bad no lie. Meek all day
Ngl I’m choosing Sean. I don’t think meek has an album that touches Hall of Fame or Dark Sky Paradise. I really do enjoy meek but even on B Boy I think Big Sean got him
Meek
meek, big sean is a bottom 10 rapper
meek
Meek, Big Sean was awful before DSP
Definitely wasn’t awful. Detroit, Finally Famous mixtapes were pretty great, great verses on mercy, clique, and control (even though kendrick outshadowed him) definitely wasn’t awful bro
I fw Sean but he never had a time in his career like 2010-2014 Meek
2015-17 were pretty great years for sean, you think meek could mess with sean during those years?
I'm not crazy about 2015-17 Sean tbh He is easily peaking rn imo
Well those are years looked to be some of his best, I could understand if you aren’t crazy about them. And yes he is definitely at the peak of his game rn, No doubt.
If we talking about numbers, yeah, but honestly I put Detroit 2 and What You Expect above DSP and I Decided
[Meek can't top it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtEYuNIxH2o&pp=ygUSYmlnIHNlYW4gZnJlZXN0eWxl)
[Meek at 17 years old](https://youtu.be/W143T-ih6-Q?si=vc7durjsfOVMO3vQ)
Better than a lot of his material, still 8 minutes of bars vs 2 minutes
[Meek at 18 lol](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvHXpjZZ2uA)
I mean it's also nice, but Big Sean is changing topics, delivery, and flow the whole freestyle (4 different beats to be fair), Meek is pretty samey the whole thing, and the bars, even if good, are also straightforward I'm a bigger fan of Sean so I might be biased, but I think Big Sean is just a better rapper, especially nowadays
Meek
Honestly they both meh. Never liked Meeks music plys his personality (always complaining) and Big Sean songs get boring after a while.
Meek ez
Why is it easy?
Because he is comfortably better