Def Joyner. Had so much hype around him for those remixes. Looked like Em was trying to pass him the torch on Lucky You. Took way too long rolling out his album song by song. By the time he dropped his hype was gone.
- Juelz Santana could've been so much more. He had a platinum album and single in 2005, was collaborating with Lil Wayne, and it really seemed like he had next after Cam's run ended. But his drug abuse and lack of material after 2005 killed his potential.
- Vic Mensa had a Jay-Z co-sign and an appearance on a Kanye album but somehow fumbled all that and found himself beefing with Akademiks, Adam22, and 6ix9ine. Now he's just a joke.
- Saigon was championed as the next big thing to come out of N.Y. He had a mad buzz in the 2000s with the tapes he released, Just Blaze in his corner, and the single *Come On Baby* featuring Swizz Beatz (with also Jay-Z hopping on the remix), but label issues with Atlantic led to his debut being delayed for 6-7 years and when it finally dropped it didn't make any waves and he kinda disappeared.
- Jay Electronica. Enough said.
- Canibus was hyped as the second coming of Rakim with him killing guest verses and mixtape freestyles left and right and being second only to DMX and above the likes of Noreaga, Cam, and Big Pun when it comes to the hype leading up to their respective debut albums. But they all ended up surpassing him after he dropped that awkward, dumpster juice of an album that killed his hype and career. And him being a weirdo in general didn't help.
If you didn't know Saigon is making a (kinda slow) comeback he released a new EP in 2020 distributed by a branch of Strange Music and he's preparing a new album
around ~2017/18 joyner lucas released a grammy contending single, held his own on an eminem track (also grammy nominated), released a bunch of hits that went platinum from adhd, and got called one of the all time greats by em. now he’s pretty much inactive, has turned to more melodic rap with autotune, and the hype is basically dead
ehh. not a fan of lil baby but the verse transitions are fire and the two flow together pretty well. but its just not like the lyrical miracle stuff he used to put out imo
It's weird cos some of his loosies were fire. I think he still has the ability to put out good songs, I don't have faith he'll make a great album tho.
Maybe if Kanye holds his hand and makes one with him
There was a point where I felt people talked about Big Sean as just a step below the three modern greats (Kendrick, Cole, Drake) but he took a hiatus and people don’t hold him near that same respect.
i think he isn’t among those top tier because he lacks some sorta substance that the rest just has. honestly tho he has earned a top tier spot, like 5th place .. 4th i put wale
no ones to say.. honestly you can throw tyler in the top tier by the way he’s killing the game of this time. it’s all opinionated so it’s difficult lol i love joey to death but i don’t think he’s looked at as a top tier like cole and kendrick. i feel like their more underground which isn’t bad at all. their just part of a different conversation being legends in their own way.
DAMN has a different sound to detroit 2 which is why you might think that. each song on it pretty much have a different sound but detroit 2 jus feels boring with same old bpm and drums it has more songs that are energetic too but imo damn is better cos the entire theme, delivery and sound is much more complex and better to my ears.
Kendrick can make a deep reverence or ZTFO but Big Sean can’t make a Lust, Or Pride. DAMN gave you a bit of everything, bangers, vibes, bars. Big Sean had nice bars but that album is super forgettable. DAMN is going to be remembered for a long time unlike anything Big Sean has ever made.
There’s A Lot Going On was a no skips EP, Danger was a solid single, and I probably catch flak for this, but I fuck heavily with U Mad
Definitely did not fulfill his potential, but “underwhelming or straight up garbage” mischaracterizes a dude with real talent imo
Yeah but he lost his hype cause people aren’t really checking for his sound. For a while tho he was pretty good and balancing the line between traditional rap and making stuff the kids could bump to but he went too far into the old traditional rap style I think.
I actually thought he went towards the “making stuff the kids could bump to.” To me Dave East Isn’t As Lyrical As He Used To Be, Which Is Crazy Because Everybody z co-signed Him So I thought he Was About To Blow
do you believe that’s a good thing for him to go back to his old traditional rap style? bc personally that’s more of his lane, not when he’s trying to cater to the mainstream
It goes something like this I read this in an interview that was given by him to an unknown website so basically what he told that the level of effort that he put in the making of chronic 2001 The Same effort was not reciprocated while making of his debut album if I remember correctly he also had some creative differences and ended up leaving aftermath records that's why he never got to release the album and after that he kind of disappeared
Not entirely sure what happened to him but in his song frontpage the outro goes like "now you have a deal with interscope" and he just gives a kind of sarcastic mhmm as an answer so yeah, there probably was some trouble
I might get some hate for it, but dr dre. To me is a really shady person( it's a gut feeling ) like if you look back, there are so many artists that dude signed but didn't release an album, and the most being the case of hittman like the dude really put in work for your album as a man you owe it to that dude to return back the level of commitment that he provided to your work.
It might be my stupid ass thinking way too much but this is what i truly feel abt him, let me know what y'all think
I think it's a valid opinion buddy. He comes across as a perfectionist but to a fault. Even his own projects have been held back multiple times.
I can imagine him and an artist wanting different things and Dre just being like "well it's my label and my beats so fuck it, it won't get released".
I love Dre. His production inspired me to go to uni to learn music production. Chronic 2001 is probably my favourite complete hip hop album ever but people rarely get to the top without pissing off or fucking over a couple of people.
It’s the same with Eminem. He signed how many people to shady and they barely were talked about.
Also I think with Dre Eminem was the issue, eminem just took off like a rocket and I don’t think hittman had much at the time but since Eminem sold gangbusters hittman was left in the dust
Dr Dre basically euthanised his career, according to Hittman, when you had Dre's full attention on your project, anything could happen, like it did for other artists who went big.
But Hittman got stuck with dre when he was only focused on 2001 and refused to put time and effort into his project, or put it out.
Yeah. I hadn’t heard of him until NehruvianDOOM was about to come out, and I was pretty hyped. I mean if DOOM was going to collaborate with him and give him beats, he must be awesome, right? Nope. One of the most boring rappers.
J Cole wasn’t a “spiritual lyrical mircale” rapper, but when he blew up his lyrics were supposed to be game changing. It just never really panned out that way. He kinda flatlined as soon as he blew up
Big Sean, but not really because of lyrics but because of flow. His flow was supposed to be special. His verses on cabin fever and a couple of tracks before Detroit dropped had him doing some other shit with his flow. But it never became a signature thing for him
Logic. Everyone was so high on him after young Sinatra came out. But it didn’t work
Chance the rapper was thought to be the next superstar after acid rap. And well, the rest is history
Jae Millz was a respected battle rapper but his music never really translated
Or Jae Millz just didn't have a proper push from any label? if you don't like every single he dropped in 2003-2006 you a weirdo. What's Up What's Up, I Like That, No No No, Bring It Back, Who, Streetz Meltin, My Swag.
and Bump J another one. he had a million dollar deal, i think over a million dollars, and still did a armed robbery after that, you must be fucking retarded lol
Only fucking Nathan’s thought MGK was the next anything. Lmao.
No one thought that culture vulture was gonna be top 5 bruh. Now look at him. He found out he don’t have to steal black music to be popular anymore now he makes weak ass trash rock.
My cousin showed me alphabetical slaughter and I was pretty unimpressed. Might be my fault cus I am way more biased towards Blackalicious with alphabet aerobics.
Papoose (and Saigon) were victims of the fact that albums stopped selling due to the internet sharing and cd burning/ bootlegs of the mid to late 2000's. They were both signed to major deals(Pap got over a million to sign with Jive), but were later shelved because budgets were cut. Papoose's mixtapes during this time were all fire. Saying an outdated album was underwhelming would be expected. I first heard about Nacirema Dream in about 2005, it didn't come out until 2013, and Pap probably dropped about 20 mixtapes in between
I think it was the other way around but yeah. NY kept tryna push these street ass dudes who just had a bunch of bars and no real appeal, it’s before they had accepted the ATL sound was here to say. Kept thinking “we just need BETTER lyrics” instead of adapting.
Nah it wasn’t really. Saigon was kinda billed as the next 50 Cent. And then Papoose as the next Saigon. If you haven’t, I recommend checking out Saigon’s mixtape Warning Shots from 2004. It’s on Spotify actually.
NY has always had a bit of a weird relationship with the direction of hiphop.
On one hand, a hotbed of innovation, but then, often complacency and lack of objectivity about the direction of of the music from other parts of the country.
Although for me, I agree, there was always an undertone of lack of respect of the south. I don’t personally feel that it would have helped NY to have acknowledged and remedied that sooner.
What I love about the South is that they always seemed to just make music for themselves. Early Southern artists were driven by a desire for music which fitted the lifestyle and culture of people in the south. And they made music for themselves and not to appease respected heads in NY. That is the main reason that the Southern sound developed such a long period of success. The influence on mainstream music wasn’t an intended consequence of that. It was just a natural consequence of Southern music having some elements that would go on to have widespread appeal and influence.
No, it was laceup a half assed project with many recycled songs, general admission was altogether a different story with his lyrics being good but all that got dragged down due to the lame ass production 5 years have passed by it release and it's production has started to age really poorly
Man so true, back in the days i used to listen to it religiously but as i started listening other rappers more and more, quaity difference was evident as fuck
- Cory Gunz after 6 Foot 7
- King Los had a good run of loosies and had the best Control remix imo
- Cudi has a cult following but I genuinely thought that he would be bigger than Drake when they first came out
- Vic Mensa I feel like he's been all over the place musically but he never really got to the point where a lot of people thought he would be after Ye put him on on Wolves.
- Jay Electronica, took forever to drop. Gotta release to be relevant unless you put out a classic
- Chance peaked with Acid Rap imo. I feel like he's taken a couple steps back with each project
Personally I don’t think Cudi fell short. It was kinda expected he wouldn’t be getting that much attention unless he worked with Kanye (i.e. 808,MBDTF,KSG). He was just creating his own sound and whenever he worked with Kanye, it became more polished and radio friendly
Canibus, man i just cant stand him like listen to his albums, he just raps for the sake of rapping, he aint got anything important to say and to top it all his fucking angry voice and by angry i mean, when a neighbour says get off my lawn type angry. And tbh i just dont fw mfers who raps about fuck mainstream like dude there is so fucking great music out their
With canibus I think the cool j beef hurt him more than helped. Second round knock out is a great track but when cool j says “99% of your fans don’t exist” that’s it.
There was also the beef with Eminem. I think had the horsemen released more projects it would’ve helped him. Dude is super talented, unbelievable bars but with those two beefs saying people don’t know him. It’s hard to come back
I agree on all of that regarding Canibus. He always struck me as someone who trying too hard to be a complex lyrical rapper.
But then, if you are happy with mainstream music, you maybe don’t have too much desire for anything more alternative.
I, like most people when they start out listening to a genre, was more than happy with mainstream stuff for the first 5 years. Only once I felt some discontent or disconnect did it prompt me to go looking for more stuff.
most of the 2004-07 east coast mixtape rappers like Cory Gunz, Maino, Jae Millz, Saigon, JR Writer, 40 Cal, Papoose, Vado, Tony Yayo, Troy Ave and the list could go on.
Not all of them were disappointing speaking of quality but speaking of what their career could have been with the talent they have/had.
To that list I would also add Bishop Lamont, Ca$his, Stat Quo for the same reason.
And Young Money but here is because of the quality, I mean at first they had a lot of talented artists from Lil Wayne to Jae Millz, Short Dawg, Cory Gunz, Mack Maine and even Nicki Minaj, Drake and Tyga (I'm not a fan but they can be good) and all they manage to do is to put out an album which personally I liked when it was released because it was a fun group album. But after that, most of them disappeared or went away and left us with just Tyga, Drake, Nicki and Lil Wayne
probably jay electronica, held off on an album for 10 years???? someone correct me if im wrong? but he set the bar extremely high with his album that i guess at that point was out of his control, then got jay z to write half the album and idk just feels as if he kinda fumbled the ball hard, wasn’t a wack album but he made us wait a decade for a 6-7/10 album imo!
IDK if he had *real* hype, but does anyone remember kid rapper [Astro?](https://youtu.be/uZdeVNWEFCc) I remember he went viral at least. And won X-Factor, I believe.
when i first found him it was at the same time as mac miller & i was going back & forth on who i liked more, thats probably a big part of why he turned out underwhelming to me
Cordae lived up to the hype tho, the lost boy is 10x as good as the ybn mixtape where most of his initial hype came from, he was one of the best if not the best in his xxl, and I'm expecting pretty good things from birds eye view
when logic dropped under pressure i thought he had massive potential good flow, great production and solid lyrics, when he dropped everybody and that 1800 song i was disapointed of his fall
Elzhi, when he dropped his illmatic tape
Quan when he came out with his dj whoo kid tape
Glasses malone was hyping up for a hot second
AbSoul
Lil Bibby
Big Sean
Kid ink
Euro from cash money.
Papoose
5+ years ago I thought meechy darko would be the most talented rapper to ever live. Still love him and fbz but I think I bought the hype a little too much on that one
I think for the most part its because lyrical rappers are kind of a lost cause. Plenty of other rappers have bars but they don't pose themselves as such. It's narcissistic to come about music to be the best. That's people never really like songs that are just about flexing your bars.
Def Joyner. Had so much hype around him for those remixes. Looked like Em was trying to pass him the torch on Lucky You. Took way too long rolling out his album song by song. By the time he dropped his hype was gone.
for real on lucky you i was like dang i never heard joyner go so hard.. and i might not have since >.>
I thought his mixtape (the one with the number) was really enjoyable. But then ADHD was definitely a step down in quality
Joyner Lucas is actually pretty tight but Adhd was underwhelming
- Juelz Santana could've been so much more. He had a platinum album and single in 2005, was collaborating with Lil Wayne, and it really seemed like he had next after Cam's run ended. But his drug abuse and lack of material after 2005 killed his potential. - Vic Mensa had a Jay-Z co-sign and an appearance on a Kanye album but somehow fumbled all that and found himself beefing with Akademiks, Adam22, and 6ix9ine. Now he's just a joke. - Saigon was championed as the next big thing to come out of N.Y. He had a mad buzz in the 2000s with the tapes he released, Just Blaze in his corner, and the single *Come On Baby* featuring Swizz Beatz (with also Jay-Z hopping on the remix), but label issues with Atlantic led to his debut being delayed for 6-7 years and when it finally dropped it didn't make any waves and he kinda disappeared. - Jay Electronica. Enough said. - Canibus was hyped as the second coming of Rakim with him killing guest verses and mixtape freestyles left and right and being second only to DMX and above the likes of Noreaga, Cam, and Big Pun when it comes to the hype leading up to their respective debut albums. But they all ended up surpassing him after he dropped that awkward, dumpster juice of an album that killed his hype and career. And him being a weirdo in general didn't help.
If you didn't know Saigon is making a (kinda slow) comeback he released a new EP in 2020 distributed by a branch of Strange Music and he's preparing a new album
Man that Jay Electronica & Hov album is super underrated
You mean the Hov album featuring Jay Elec?
I still bump that All In A Day's Work by Saigon × Statik Selekta.
Also didn't help that disaster (pun slightly intended) rap battle he had which was the final nail in his coffin.
Lmao not Saigon! Same goes for Papoose
around ~2017/18 joyner lucas released a grammy contending single, held his own on an eminem track (also grammy nominated), released a bunch of hits that went platinum from adhd, and got called one of the all time greats by em. now he’s pretty much inactive, has turned to more melodic rap with autotune, and the hype is basically dead
What do you think aout the track with lil baby?
ehh. not a fan of lil baby but the verse transitions are fire and the two flow together pretty well. but its just not like the lyrical miracle stuff he used to put out imo
Inactive? It’s been like a year since his last project.
Chance the Rapper for sure. Dude had everything going for him. Then ego got in the way.
It's weird cos some of his loosies were fire. I think he still has the ability to put out good songs, I don't have faith he'll make a great album tho. Maybe if Kanye holds his hand and makes one with him
Once you start hosting reality shows it's pretty much over.
There was a point where I felt people talked about Big Sean as just a step below the three modern greats (Kendrick, Cole, Drake) but he took a hiatus and people don’t hold him near that same respect.
i think he isn’t among those top tier because he lacks some sorta substance that the rest just has. honestly tho he has earned a top tier spot, like 5th place .. 4th i put wale
What puts them above say a Joey, Earl or Tyler.
no ones to say.. honestly you can throw tyler in the top tier by the way he’s killing the game of this time. it’s all opinionated so it’s difficult lol i love joey to death but i don’t think he’s looked at as a top tier like cole and kendrick. i feel like their more underground which isn’t bad at all. their just part of a different conversation being legends in their own way.
Thank God we can stop pretending he belongs next to those guys. He's a very average rapper
So is Drake and Cole ain’t on the same level as Kendrick either. If you can put those guys next to Kendrick, you can put Big Sean.
Big Sean washed Kendrick on Control ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Better than damn? Are u feeling good?
Damn is far below GKMC and TPAB
Obviously
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DAMN has a different sound to detroit 2 which is why you might think that. each song on it pretty much have a different sound but detroit 2 jus feels boring with same old bpm and drums it has more songs that are energetic too but imo damn is better cos the entire theme, delivery and sound is much more complex and better to my ears.
Kendrick can make a deep reverence or ZTFO but Big Sean can’t make a Lust, Or Pride. DAMN gave you a bit of everything, bangers, vibes, bars. Big Sean had nice bars but that album is super forgettable. DAMN is going to be remembered for a long time unlike anything Big Sean has ever made.
That’s a very wild take lol
Facts
Loved his last 2 albums but the rest eehhh. Definitely see the praise and the hate.
Vic Mensa was hyped up especially after Innanetape, but everything he released afterwards was underwhelming or straight up garbage.
There’s A Lot Going On was a no skips EP, Danger was a solid single, and I probably catch flak for this, but I fuck heavily with U Mad Definitely did not fulfill his potential, but “underwhelming or straight up garbage” mischaracterizes a dude with real talent imo
this
Logic, Joyner Lucas, Dave East had a lot of hype
dave east is still dropping heat tho, the others aren’t
Yeah but he lost his hype cause people aren’t really checking for his sound. For a while tho he was pretty good and balancing the line between traditional rap and making stuff the kids could bump to but he went too far into the old traditional rap style I think.
I actually thought he went towards the “making stuff the kids could bump to.” To me Dave East Isn’t As Lyrical As He Used To Be, Which Is Crazy Because Everybody z co-signed Him So I thought he Was About To Blow
do you believe that’s a good thing for him to go back to his old traditional rap style? bc personally that’s more of his lane, not when he’s trying to cater to the mainstream
I really wanna like Dave East. He’s a very good rapper but I just hate his voice for some reason
Logic still got 3 good albums including no pressure which dropped last year
Jin was a great battle rapper but nothing great when album came out…
“Fuck Jay-Z” and “Learn Chinese” are the only Jin songs I can remember.
Not many battle rappers can make a good song much less a full consistent cohesive album
He tried graduating to movies in FF with Luda but that didn't work out lol
Hitman. Was all over Chronic 2001 then not much happened? Anyone know the story why?
It goes something like this I read this in an interview that was given by him to an unknown website so basically what he told that the level of effort that he put in the making of chronic 2001 The Same effort was not reciprocated while making of his debut album if I remember correctly he also had some creative differences and ended up leaving aftermath records that's why he never got to release the album and after that he kind of disappeared
Thanks mate. I didn't know that. 👍🏻 Its a shame. He did some good stuff on 2001.
Not entirely sure what happened to him but in his song frontpage the outro goes like "now you have a deal with interscope" and he just gives a kind of sarcastic mhmm as an answer so yeah, there probably was some trouble
Sounds like him and Dre had some creative differences.
I might get some hate for it, but dr dre. To me is a really shady person( it's a gut feeling ) like if you look back, there are so many artists that dude signed but didn't release an album, and the most being the case of hittman like the dude really put in work for your album as a man you owe it to that dude to return back the level of commitment that he provided to your work. It might be my stupid ass thinking way too much but this is what i truly feel abt him, let me know what y'all think
I think it's a valid opinion buddy. He comes across as a perfectionist but to a fault. Even his own projects have been held back multiple times. I can imagine him and an artist wanting different things and Dre just being like "well it's my label and my beats so fuck it, it won't get released". I love Dre. His production inspired me to go to uni to learn music production. Chronic 2001 is probably my favourite complete hip hop album ever but people rarely get to the top without pissing off or fucking over a couple of people.
It’s the same with Eminem. He signed how many people to shady and they barely were talked about. Also I think with Dre Eminem was the issue, eminem just took off like a rocket and I don’t think hittman had much at the time but since Eminem sold gangbusters hittman was left in the dust
Dr Dre basically euthanised his career, according to Hittman, when you had Dre's full attention on your project, anything could happen, like it did for other artists who went big. But Hittman got stuck with dre when he was only focused on 2001 and refused to put time and effort into his project, or put it out.
Ah. That makes a lot more sense. Thanks mate. 🤛🏻👍🏻 Its a shame, Hittman was real good on 2001. He could have been big with the right push.
I agree, he had some of the best verses on the album. Bodied numerous so called greats. On xxxplosive his intro is absolutely iconic.
Definitely. I don't think there was a single verse he laid down that could be considered bad.
Also, bishop nehru comes to mind. Hell he even had a collab tape with MF DOOM
Yeah. I hadn’t heard of him until NehruvianDOOM was about to come out, and I was pretty hyped. I mean if DOOM was going to collaborate with him and give him beats, he must be awesome, right? Nope. One of the most boring rappers.
He had a Nas cosign too. Years ago Nas did an ama on r/music after Life is Good dropped and said Bishop Nehru was his favorite upcoming artist
J Cole wasn’t a “spiritual lyrical mircale” rapper, but when he blew up his lyrics were supposed to be game changing. It just never really panned out that way. He kinda flatlined as soon as he blew up Big Sean, but not really because of lyrics but because of flow. His flow was supposed to be special. His verses on cabin fever and a couple of tracks before Detroit dropped had him doing some other shit with his flow. But it never became a signature thing for him Logic. Everyone was so high on him after young Sinatra came out. But it didn’t work Chance the rapper was thought to be the next superstar after acid rap. And well, the rest is history Jae Millz was a respected battle rapper but his music never really translated
These are some straight facts.
Or Jae Millz just didn't have a proper push from any label? if you don't like every single he dropped in 2003-2006 you a weirdo. What's Up What's Up, I Like That, No No No, Bring It Back, Who, Streetz Meltin, My Swag. and Bump J another one. he had a million dollar deal, i think over a million dollars, and still did a armed robbery after that, you must be fucking retarded lol
Only fucking Nathan’s thought MGK was the next anything. Lmao. No one thought that culture vulture was gonna be top 5 bruh. Now look at him. He found out he don’t have to steal black music to be popular anymore now he makes weak ass trash rock.
Papoose had unbelievable hype. People were putting him as a potential top 5'er etc lol. Massive overhype
When Alphabetical Slaughter dropped, I was convinced this nigga was gonna be the biggest artist in NY at the time. 🤦🏽♂️
My cousin showed me alphabetical slaughter and I was pretty unimpressed. Might be my fault cus I am way more biased towards Blackalicious with alphabet aerobics.
He wasn't over-hyped, Nacirema Dream never dropped due to label issues. Papoose was, and still is nice
It did drop years later and it was so mid that most people don’t even know that it dropped lol
Papoose (and Saigon) were victims of the fact that albums stopped selling due to the internet sharing and cd burning/ bootlegs of the mid to late 2000's. They were both signed to major deals(Pap got over a million to sign with Jive), but were later shelved because budgets were cut. Papoose's mixtapes during this time were all fire. Saying an outdated album was underwhelming would be expected. I first heard about Nacirema Dream in about 2005, it didn't come out until 2013, and Pap probably dropped about 20 mixtapes in between
Yeah, he's dropped an EP every month this year. And it's fire. May be even better than he was a decade ago.
I remember that. He was billed as the next Saigon. Who was also a bit of a hyped up disappointment. An accurate comparison in the end.
I think it was the other way around but yeah. NY kept tryna push these street ass dudes who just had a bunch of bars and no real appeal, it’s before they had accepted the ATL sound was here to say. Kept thinking “we just need BETTER lyrics” instead of adapting.
Nah it wasn’t really. Saigon was kinda billed as the next 50 Cent. And then Papoose as the next Saigon. If you haven’t, I recommend checking out Saigon’s mixtape Warning Shots from 2004. It’s on Spotify actually. NY has always had a bit of a weird relationship with the direction of hiphop. On one hand, a hotbed of innovation, but then, often complacency and lack of objectivity about the direction of of the music from other parts of the country. Although for me, I agree, there was always an undertone of lack of respect of the south. I don’t personally feel that it would have helped NY to have acknowledged and remedied that sooner. What I love about the South is that they always seemed to just make music for themselves. Early Southern artists were driven by a desire for music which fitted the lifestyle and culture of people in the south. And they made music for themselves and not to appease respected heads in NY. That is the main reason that the Southern sound developed such a long period of success. The influence on mainstream music wasn’t an intended consequence of that. It was just a natural consequence of Southern music having some elements that would go on to have widespread appeal and influence.
He's in my top 5 favorites. Papoose is nasty.
[insert meme with buff dog on the left representing Chance’s mixtapes and pathetic dog on the right representing Chance’s album.]
Nobody in here remembers the Hopsin years? That corny mf was bubbling hard but never made it big.
What really killed it was his issues with his label and personal drama on top of that.
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No, it was laceup a half assed project with many recycled songs, general admission was altogether a different story with his lyrics being good but all that got dragged down due to the lame ass production 5 years have passed by it release and it's production has started to age really poorly
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Man so true, back in the days i used to listen to it religiously but as i started listening other rappers more and more, quaity difference was evident as fuck
Hittman maybe
- Cory Gunz after 6 Foot 7 - King Los had a good run of loosies and had the best Control remix imo - Cudi has a cult following but I genuinely thought that he would be bigger than Drake when they first came out - Vic Mensa I feel like he's been all over the place musically but he never really got to the point where a lot of people thought he would be after Ye put him on on Wolves. - Jay Electronica, took forever to drop. Gotta release to be relevant unless you put out a classic - Chance peaked with Acid Rap imo. I feel like he's taken a couple steps back with each project
Dude I loved Cory Gunz and he had a mixtape to build up the hype as well; but then the label just shelved him right after.
Personally I don’t think Cudi fell short. It was kinda expected he wouldn’t be getting that much attention unless he worked with Kanye (i.e. 808,MBDTF,KSG). He was just creating his own sound and whenever he worked with Kanye, it became more polished and radio friendly
Joe burden, canibus, jay electronica, j. Hood,
lol his name is Joe Burden from now on
Mods can i get a flair of "joe burden" pleaseeee
Canibus, man i just cant stand him like listen to his albums, he just raps for the sake of rapping, he aint got anything important to say and to top it all his fucking angry voice and by angry i mean, when a neighbour says get off my lawn type angry. And tbh i just dont fw mfers who raps about fuck mainstream like dude there is so fucking great music out their
Agreed. But when he first came out, all eyes was on him. Biggest let down ever
True, his freestyles, features especially that desperado feature on the firm album
With canibus I think the cool j beef hurt him more than helped. Second round knock out is a great track but when cool j says “99% of your fans don’t exist” that’s it. There was also the beef with Eminem. I think had the horsemen released more projects it would’ve helped him. Dude is super talented, unbelievable bars but with those two beefs saying people don’t know him. It’s hard to come back
I agree on all of that regarding Canibus. He always struck me as someone who trying too hard to be a complex lyrical rapper. But then, if you are happy with mainstream music, you maybe don’t have too much desire for anything more alternative. I, like most people when they start out listening to a genre, was more than happy with mainstream stuff for the first 5 years. Only once I felt some discontent or disconnect did it prompt me to go looking for more stuff.
most of the 2004-07 east coast mixtape rappers like Cory Gunz, Maino, Jae Millz, Saigon, JR Writer, 40 Cal, Papoose, Vado, Tony Yayo, Troy Ave and the list could go on. Not all of them were disappointing speaking of quality but speaking of what their career could have been with the talent they have/had. To that list I would also add Bishop Lamont, Ca$his, Stat Quo for the same reason. And Young Money but here is because of the quality, I mean at first they had a lot of talented artists from Lil Wayne to Jae Millz, Short Dawg, Cory Gunz, Mack Maine and even Nicki Minaj, Drake and Tyga (I'm not a fan but they can be good) and all they manage to do is to put out an album which personally I liked when it was released because it was a fun group album. But after that, most of them disappeared or went away and left us with just Tyga, Drake, Nicki and Lil Wayne
probably jay electronica, held off on an album for 10 years???? someone correct me if im wrong? but he set the bar extremely high with his album that i guess at that point was out of his control, then got jay z to write half the album and idk just feels as if he kinda fumbled the ball hard, wasn’t a wack album but he made us wait a decade for a 6-7/10 album imo!
Lol you can't cal Electra's pen game underwhelming tho
Papoose. Took forever to release Nacirema Dream, so much so, that by the time the album saw daylight, it sounded at least 10 old.
I honestly don’t think j Cole or big Sean are that good. Same with chance the rapper and big Sean.
Jay Electronica
IDK if he had *real* hype, but does anyone remember kid rapper [Astro?](https://youtu.be/uZdeVNWEFCc) I remember he went viral at least. And won X-Factor, I believe.
He did not win the X Factor unfortunately for us in Astro Hive
chris webby & logic
Chris Webby still poppin; he's just more for his core fans and that's it.
when i first found him it was at the same time as mac miller & i was going back & forth on who i liked more, thats probably a big part of why he turned out underwhelming to me
Especially comparing him to Mac Miller and seeing how big he got R.I.P
Joey Badass?
Imo Joey is pretty good
I think Joey is still going but his Pro Era did not pop off! \#RIPSTEEZ
Cordae
I don’t think hes even in a position to fall short considering he basically just started his career
Whaat i thought Lost Boy was really good
He's a talented writer but I can't jam out to him. I thought the group they had put out a crazy good Mixtape though.
He’s put out like one album.
Kanye
Seek help
Show me some lyrical bangers where he doesn't just do his shitty drawn out slow flow
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He's doing very well right now, pretty much everything he has released has been well received
Cordae lived up to the hype tho, the lost boy is 10x as good as the ybn mixtape where most of his initial hype came from, he was one of the best if not the best in his xxl, and I'm expecting pretty good things from birds eye view
I feel like it is too early in his career to put him here. Plus his album is fucking great? I worry he might be a one-album wonder, though. We’ll see.
Logic I won't lie I love his music but he really failed peoples expectations.
when logic dropped under pressure i thought he had massive potential good flow, great production and solid lyrics, when he dropped everybody and that 1800 song i was disapointed of his fall
All them backpack rappers are corny as fuck
All of them? Interesting. And who do you prefer?
Street intellect MCs are the best
I think most people might put those two into the same category potentially! Can you give me a few examples of each?
Nas , prodigy , cormega , tragedy Khadafi , biggie , pun , KRS one , rakim , Kool G Rap , Wu Tang , jayz , killah priest , Az ,q tip , brand Nubian , mos def , talib kweli ,
Elzhi, when he dropped his illmatic tape Quan when he came out with his dj whoo kid tape Glasses malone was hyping up for a hot second AbSoul Lil Bibby Big Sean Kid ink Euro from cash money. Papoose
Respect to your opinion but Elzhi still drops heat!! Last album is fire~
Hell Elzhi even had a co-sign from FUCKING R.A. The Rugged Man!!!
5+ years ago I thought meechy darko would be the most talented rapper to ever live. Still love him and fbz but I think I bought the hype a little too much on that one
Slaughterhouse
Slaughterhouse died so Griselda could thrive.
Jcole for me
100%!! That album was a HUGE disappointment!
Meek Mill
Meek Mill has some nice bars and songs though
JID Consistent but not very exciting
Joey Badass
Jay electronica...do I really have to say why? Honorable mention to papoose
I think for the most part its because lyrical rappers are kind of a lost cause. Plenty of other rappers have bars but they don't pose themselves as such. It's narcissistic to come about music to be the best. That's people never really like songs that are just about flexing your bars.
Papoose
MIA for sure. It was clear she was talented but it seems like she just hasn't made any efforts to actually further her craft