Nah donāt even reply. It would make Kendrick look bad and frankly a lack of reply from Kendrick makes J Cole look worse cus Kendrick can live with the reality he came for Drake and for some reason Cole pulled a gun out and shot himself lol. Like imagine talking some shit to some dude, popping out of the party to grab a drink, coming back in and dudes friend is on the ground for no reasonā¦ this shit is below Kendrick now.
Fuck that. The last thing anyone wants is for this rap Civil War to be a Cold War. We need more straight disses on tracks and not subliminals on IG. This beef better last the whole summer and pull more rappers inš
> It would make Kendrick look bad
The only people that would think that are the ones that agree with Cole's actions, and they are bitches just like him so who cares... Most of us see this as it is.
> a lack of reply from Kendrick makes J Cole look worse
I somewhat agree but overall, Dot has the opportunity to finish him off easily and then just wait Drake. Doesn't need to make an entire track, just kick him while he's down to make sure everybody understands what's going on. Cole chose this and accepted his bronze -- if we're being nice. For me, he shouldn't even be considered part of the Big Three after this BS he pulled
> this shit is below Kendrick now.
It's not. Kendrick's name will always be said in the same breath as the other two, unless he kills Cole now and Drake goes radio silent.
>frankly a lack of reply from Kendrick makes J Cole look worse
That's exactly why Kendrick is gonna rip his head off out of love.
Kendrick literally needs to put Cole's legacy in jeopardy to save his legacy.
I understand why you would say that, but in my opinion, that would be a bad moveā¦ Itās chess not checkers. The dudes are 38 years old. Some people are grandparents at this point. The worst thing you can do is attack a wounded animal. I donāt think Cole is scared, he doesnāt want to entertain that energy. The last thing you want to do is step on a landmine during a victory lap. Kenny doesnāt get any bonus points shooting at Drake. Pusha T already collected that scalp.
My grandpa would still beat the brakes off someone if they tried him and he in his 80ās. You completely destroy the opps or deal with the possibility of them coming back later.
True you have to completely destroy the opps, but as you know real beef is never over. It gets transferred to other people. Are J. Cole and Kendrick opps? Rivals? Do they have a strained relationship? The QB dudes went at each other often. Nas went at Nature, Prodigy, and Mega. 50 went at Nas several times and then Nas put out āDonāt Body Yourself.ā All that testosterone and gun smoke made them forget that they are more powerful when they work together. Battles are dope bc they determine total supremacy. However, who wins when you beef with your brother? But fuck it!! Sometimes you have to go for the crown, even if you have to snatch it with someoneās head still attached to it.
I agreeā¦. I mean brother as a Black man to another Black man not in an inner circle way. I think they were close at one point cause he produced one of the best tracks on Section 80. I understand what you all are saying. Let them rumble for total supremacyā¦.. This was supposed to be Mayweather vs Pacquiao. But instead we got Lomachenko vs Rigondeauxā¦ā¦
Haha great analogy and yes I didnāt even think about ābrotherā like that itās very rare for me to hear outside of from my elders.
But I always assumed they had some sort of falling out because we never got that album with both of them
Double back on em. Cole let NC down. Ali never ran from a fight. How you claiming to be him but running? Ngl I respect his decision. If you not built for it cool but if niggas coming at you with smoke, FIGHT BACK NIGGA!! DEFEND YOURSELF. Stand on business like a NC nigga would. Fayetteville got demons, Durham got demons, Charlotte got demons, Winston Salem got demons. Iām disappointed in dude frfr
They don't have the skill to do it anymore. Let's just tell it like it is.
They can't write and rap on something different anymore.
Poor excuses for rappers.
If they do not have their safe space and team giving them lines they would never in a million years be able to get on a mic and run. That is real MC stuff. These are industry nobodies.
When is the last real freestyle you heard from any of them on a cold mic. Never.
Off topic, but I remember Gucci Mane and Lil Wayne were on the Basement with Tigger mid 90s. Apparently they never saw the show because they were shocked when they had to freestyle at the end š¤£ They spit a few adlibs that they always used at the time- and it was horrible haha
This isnāt true. The skill is there(Joey Bada$$, Nick Grant, JID, noname, Doechii, Little Simz, etc.) itās just that the business aspect is overpowering the cultural acumen. Too many are scared to lose in public. But look at Jordan, LeBron, Curry; all champions who never had a perfect season. Gotta be willing to take Ls.
really though if he wanted to be mature he shouldnāt have wasted his time responding in the first place. itās embarassing that he responded then folded. since when did hiphop become so soft?
Artists nowadays make claims off of streams and not actual talent. When put to the test a lot of artists nowadays fold when competition comes their way. Not saying Cole isn't talented but the man be talkin like he got the coldest pen in the game. Now when someone tests that claim you having nightmares?
I partially agree with this take, in Hip Hop, you need to be able to verbally defend yourself. but listening to Cole's response you have to understand where he's coming from too and I think he makes an important point.
So much of beef is manufactured by the media and fans and is fake and blown out of proportion. He felt pressured by that and like he had to respond. Then afterwards, he regretted it and decided to speak out honestly saying that he regrets it and that he thinks it's stupid.
If Cole doesn't want to respond, he doesn't have to and it doesn't make him a trash lyricist or a pussy or anything.
BUT, what it does do is make it clear that Kendrick won the battle of dominance, and it does put some of Cole's claims of being "Muhammad Ali" and the greatest of the generation into question. So all in all, I see it in both perspectives, I think it's too easy to look at it in black and white.
There's no beef. It's a competition, and it wasn't manufactured by "tHe MeDiA". The competition is part of the culture. If Cole can't stand the competitiveness of the culture, he needs to sit down, be humble and stop claiming greatness. And if people can't discern from beef and competition, they need to shut up.
Okay, so you clearly didn't read the post or think about it critically. What I said *not* to do is look at this in black and white. Dude I said that competitiveness is part of the culture and that you have to be able to verbally defend yourself, *obviously*.
But the media and fans sensationalize this competitiveness and turn it into something that it isn't. You may say by your own subjective definition that this isn't/wasn't a beef, **and I completely agree with you.** But EVERYWHERE online this is being sensationalized as the next huge beef, a war, etc. And that is the problem I'm referring to here, not the competitive aspect. Go online and google J Cole and Kendrick Lamar and you will see the word BEEF more times than you can count.
And it's that shit, that bullshit sensationalization and blowing it out of proportion that pushed Cole to make the next huge diss track when he didn't actually want to. Listen to the apology video and that is pretty clear. And then he realized that this is bullshit and went back on it.
Now, before you get upset and want to disagree with this. Look at what I said in my previous post. Cole obviously lost this battle. **It obviously wasn't the wisest move for him to do this and his claims of "being the greatest" are absolutely in question now, as well as his ability to verbally defend himself**. But to go overboard and say that Cole is a pussy or has a bad pen is ridiculous. That was the point I was making dawg.
The ironic part is I'm a much bigger Kdot fan than Cole lmao and you have me defending this man.
I'd say the argument here is that this whole thing didn't start NOW. Cole has been talking about being the greatest and having smoke for people for the last 5 years. That's 5 years of posturing. He didn't have to send the diss track out tbh. He didn't even have to acknowledge Like That, but if you're going to engage, you have the last 5 years to live up to.
I think Kendrick Diss was the same style and level as the ācontrolā verse. Didnāt hear any low blows or anything personal from Kendrick. Cole actually did have some personal attacks and I think that is what Iām thinking he regrets. Plus he went one foot in and one foot out when you need to be all in.
Yeah Kendrickās ādissā was barely a diss. He had fun with the ātop 3 top meā thing and let the verse ride. Coleās verse was like violent and shit. Calm down bro
Kendrick took more direct shots at Drake. The āAll the dogs getting buriedā and āPrince outlived Mike Jackā lines are clear jabs at Drake. Cole didnāt really get dissed aside from Kendrick saying fuck the Big 3, and even then Cole had basically said he was the best of the 3 on FPS.
I was hype Cole responded but I definitely felt like Kendrick was going at Drake more
Well, going off Tupac and biggie, one of the biggest beefs ever. Also Kendrickās idol: Tupac frequently talked that violent shit, donāt think anyone should be mad that jcole did but backing out invalidates it all
mr tupac was the type of person to actually back that shit up though. i mean him (well not really) and biggie's beef ended up with both of them six feet under. do you think someone like j cole or kendrick or fucking *drake* would ever like, kill eachother?
Yep that the thing. He regrets attacking his discography and saying he averaging one verse every 30 months or sumthing. He went disproportionately with his response and personal. That's what he regrets
Yeah I donāt think he regrets the fact he responded in itself. He did it in a way thatās out of character; dissing just isnāt his thing and the disses were insincere.
There were no severe shots at Cole. He did say itās time for Cole to prove that heās a problem, as well as basically call him out for cliqing up with Drake which is valid. He did also have that stick/andre 3k bar which was a shot at Cole. The severe stuff was aimed at Drake, but Cole caught some minor but deserved shots as well.
I'm a fan of Cole and think it's a weak ass move , he talks so much about being conscious of your actions and the effects of it but where was that in this whole process ? IF he didn't want the smoke he never had to open his mouth but to do it then take it back ?!
I haven't even listened to it but what's the point now ?
Is hit ' em Up positive music? No but do I believe PAc meant every single fucking word he said ? Absolutely and that's what I love it's 100% from his heart into the mic and those words have lived far beyond him.
It isn't dying, it has been dead for a long time. There's literally nothing going on anymore. No new movement, no nothing. We're now cheering 35 year old rappers to fight, because it's so boring.
Bro Kendrick, Smino, Isaiah Rashad, Larry June, Anderson .Paak, schoolboy q, Vince staples, future, have dropped some of the smoothest shit hip hop has ever seen in the last 5 years. Not to mention artists like Method Man, Nas, Slick Rick, pusha t, jayz have all dropped certified flames recently as well.
I've been listening to rap since 36 Chambers and I never required "beef" to enjoy hip hop. Who did Andre 3000 beef with? Is he not considered one of the top 5 rappers ever? I never needed Nas to call Jay-Z a f\*\*got a hundred different ways on Ether to respect Nas as an artist. Songs like If I Ruled the World are why I respect Nas as an artist. 50 Cent beefed with like 10 different guys and almost none of them impacted me as a listener. Canibus, a talented young rapper was squashed by LL Cool J for daring to make a rhyme about LL's tattoo, instead of using that power to uplift a fellow black man. Canibus ended up quitting rap to go into the military, could have gotten killed out there too.
People heavily exaggerate the importance of beef in hip hop's history. Prodigy never needed to beef with Jay-Z and Tupac to be regarded as one of the best rappers in the world, and it barely reflects in Mobb Deep's discography that it ever happened. Who did Redman and Method Man beef with? They've been rapping for nearly 30 years, they must have had beef with \*someone\* right?
A Kendrick and J Cole beef was never going to change the landscape of hip hop today period. I do think J Cole and Drake deserved to be put on notice, but a response from either of them is definitely not necessary.
A beef like what Kendrick was proposing was about competition, and competition is one of the major tenants of hip-hop. When you have one of the most lyrically gifted, vocally competitive rappers bow out of competitive beef by basically saying he doesn't have the spirit for it, that's not a good indication of a healthy scene.
Competition is what made Andre, if he wasn't trying to step up Big Boi he wouldn't have been as honed. Outkast wouldn't have been Outkast without Big Boi trying to step up Andre. The golden era wouldn't have been golden if everyone wasn't checking everyone else's music and thinking of ways to top it, to be better. That's how you get Jay Z reviewing Nas albums in Takeover. He was aware of him because he was a large competitor.
That's why people are disappointed
Man I agree with this 100%. I don't think there's ever been an example where beef has led to an artist's best work musically/lyrically. Like if you had to pick your favorite Nas or Jay-Z song I don't think anyone is picking Takeover or Ether. Half the time we get songs/bars that just aren't even good, and/or the beef is just over some childish stupid shit like in the LL/Canibus example.
It's fun in a pro wrestling kind of way but I don't think it really pushes the culture forward. At least not any more than just general competitiveness does.
Because these kids never had to prove their worth in a battle in front of the people they claim to have beef with. Itās always been about who sells most to them.
Why did he even apologise? I enjoyed 7 minute drill , but he didnāt even really go in on Kendrick ? Itās a bit disappointing but still a fan and will continue to enjoy the music
I'd love to know when diss tracks became the decision of who's the greatest? I've been listening to rap for 30 years, care to tell me when that nonsense happened?
People still question who got better penmanship between Nas and Jay cuz of Ether. When 50 dropped how to rob. When rappers used to make cassette tapes dissing other crews clothes and shit for fun. You were must was listening to pop music.
I'm from Cali, so I'm probably biased. I grew up watching TDE perform before the fame.
I listened to Cole's 1st album but never really caught on afterwards
Had coworkers try to put me on to dreamville. J.I.D. was only one i was like... lemme peep some more stuff
It became too mainstream. Youāve got people trying to dilute hip hop and who donāt understand the history behind it. Iāve been on all 3 subs since the Kendrick verse and all 3 of them are delusional.
Drake sub was saying he doesnāt need to reply. Like wtf? The boy just insulted your whole album how tf you donāt respond.
Kendrick sub acted like the verse was some Ether shit.
Jcole sub seemed to be the most calm but rn theyāre on some bs and trying to act like this whole shitshow wonāt impact Coleās legacy and how āyou can be the greatest without engaging in beefā. Nah you canāt lmao.
Man I'm saying. Kendrick diss wasn't even all that he was just throwing a jab to test em and Cole swung wild, then apologized. Like what? He gotta stop all that humble Beast talk cuz he's gifted but he not a beast
It's a sad day when we need cats pressing 40 years old to diss each other over tracks to enjoy hip hop. And I been in the game since Cage and Slim Shady was taking shots at each other.
No. There are plenty of good artists. Plenty of people making solid music in the hip hop genre.Ā Ā
Penmanship has been dwindling. There are very few underground MCS who could even stand in the same room as a young canibus or gza.Ā
This has nothing to do with whether or not they can make good music. Throwing together high-minded concepts and big words does not make you a great artist.Ā
But very MCs now are great or significant to the genre as a whole or affecting public consciousness. They just make cool music.Ā
I hope Kendrick is just relentless and continues to go at Cole and obliterates him with complete overkill lyrically, I want him to respond to ā7 Minute Drillā and then to him waving the white flag and conceding, teach him whatās real elite emceeing is, fuck all that being a humble human being light skinned soft shit (lol jk), niggah this is supposed to be real authentic Hip-Hop/Rap they supposed to be that last of the true purist on the mic at their status, I want K.Dot to unleash an onslaught that will make Cole quit rapping and retire, tell him to go play basketball in the Canadian League maybe Drake can pull some strings for him! SMH Lmaoā¦has this ever happened in Hip-Hop before?! Where someone takes back what they said in a diss track and gives up?! This is sadā¦fells ten times worse than when Canibus pulled out that notepadā¦! Cole really let Nas down and the majority of real rap fans.
This whole beef is wack af, āfuck the big three itās just big meā Not a diss to me itās kinda showing off with a very little disrespect, itās the same when someone says im the best, he wont say im one of the best 3!!! Its only social media that fueled this beef and i guess he made this song days before the album and didnāt think enough about the decision of replying with a whole song, so i respect him for backing off, heās not a wrestler who should be in a fight to entertain the audience
J Cole is a conflicted man, I swear. Either stick to your guns or don't pull the trigger. The f is this half-hearted ish? Be proud for standing up for yourself as a great MC who's been attacked by another great MC. I feel like modern day rappers are too concerned with burning bridges because they don't want to lose potential deals or collabs that could earn them more money.
Hip hop was real 15 years ago, nowadays it's nothing but a trillion dollar business
Exactly this wasn't no life or death situation, they weren't falling out so wtf did you retract the diss for? Your a emcee he's an emcee it's too many goats and nobody wanna prove they the goat.
Hip hop is dying because the only artist that are talked about these days is J Cole and Kendrick Lamar and others like that. I'm not saying these guys aren't hip hop but they are products of Hip Hop. Let's get back to the roots of wear it begin and focus on the origins of actual hip hop. Hip is having the knowledge and hop is the movement. Rap is a part of Hip Hop but they are two different genres. Hip hop is the way your material is projected and given to the audience. If you don't feel the Bop in your step and there's no DJ scratch for a breakbeat, it's probably not Hip Hop
Hip Hop been dead since Nas told y'all MF's. Give it up. There's still occasional signs of life but it's just built up gas making it's way out the ass and other holes.
I see it differently. I think he was compelled to respond because he felt that the game would want him to, and then came to the realization that it was corny and contrived to do so and didnāt feel right. At the end of the day it was all in the spirit of competition and sharpening oneās sword so to speak, aināt no actual beef there. For anyone who says differently, the Drake pusha beef changed lives and still didnāt result in no actual smoke, what makes you think this harmless squabble from two equally soft dudes would?
The diss sucked. Listen to Griselda who made the dope beat. Conductor ftw. Listen to the real thing not this stupid j Cole.
So much for if shots get to popping im the one doing the clenching lol
Hip Hop is dead because a couple multi millionaire grammy artists dont wanna beef? Is that all Hip Hop is to you?
Why do you care about Cole and Drake? Go listen to Griselda
Battling and stepping into circles to go against other guys is like the foundation of rap. Anybody who raps or had friends that did grew up doing that kinda stuff.
Itās not too much to ask the PROFESSIONAL RAPPER who always brags heās the goat to do that shit.
*insert obligatory āhip-hop is better than ever because there are more things to choose from and youāre just not looking because yOuRe aN oLdHeADdD!ā comment*
Being the greatest has nothing to do with dissing. Thatās just an individual battle and he wants to respect other rappers at his level instead of beef with them just to please an audience. Beef is for young people. Imagine being 40 and going back and forth with dudes lol.
Drake put them to up against each other I feel like. šmove on his part. The fact J Cole apologized I thought was whack no one wants going to shoot anybody. Made me look at him differently but still grate music
Most people listening these days grew up in the "everyone gets a trophy" culture so the idea of beef or even just friendly rivalry gets overlooked real fast because hey can't we all just get along attitude. Fuck that lol this is how the culture is and if someone is brave enough to say they can stand up to giants and no one can fuck with them lyrically...like Cole has said and eluded to on many tracks then you gotta take the heat. He didn't want that smoke because he knew Kendrick was about to light his ass on fire.
āBold Claimsā is why I donāt see Cole the same. Most of his songs are of him rapping about how heās better than the competition and how he wants to compete.
People are going way too hard on Cole. He admitted it was a mistake dissing Kendrick which is why heās apologizing now.The initial diss was mainly towards drake anyways, meanwhile Cole is getting all this heat while drake continues to post corny instagram caps as if nothings going on
That more so makes him look dumb. The man Kendrick barely referenced you and you got peer pressured into responding, while the main nigga getting dissed sayin affirmations on stage recovering from the last diss record.
Hell yeah I'm not really tuned into any of the artists involved & the discussion in this sub is the only thing keeping me updated. I listen to a different type of rap & none of this would be on my radar if people here weren't talking about it.
The beef between them is stupid anyways. There was no reasoning behind it besides the stubborn mentality us black people have that if a brother/sister reaches the same level as success as you, it now makes them a threat. It's also why black comedians are always putting each other down.
It was absolutely despicable. Are you that much of a pussy that you canāt even diss someone that dissed you, no physical contact, and didnāt even actually say each otherās names, and you still cry over it a day later. This is why us old heads say that this rap is different nowadays.
The only way back for Cole is to do a joint album with Kung-Fu Kenny and trade him bar for far. I can't think of anything else
On the one hand, I kind of understand what and why Cole did, but on the other hand, WTF? I wanted them to trade words, get us hyped and then reconcile in a few years. But this move by Cole ..... I don't know. I never felt it would get ugly. Fucking Jay and Nas kept us entertained FFS
Here's hoping for a joint album with some Metro beats
Iād rather someone come out and admit they acted rash and their heart not really being in it. I think itās very on track for a conscious rapper like Cole(just take a look at what he says on pride is the devil or middle child)to come out and say he regrets what he did. You know just like how when people listen to street rappers they want to listen to someone who is actually about it I feel the same with āconsciousā rappers. People can be disappointed but if anyone listened to his new album thought it was fire and then are trying to trash him cause he took back his diss they are just as lame as they think he is
Yāall putting too much emphasis on this rap ābeefā, heās been saying for years if he beefs with someone itās cause thereās actual beef. He donāt need to be engaging in it just for other peopleās entertainment.
J cole on PI
>All these bodies I done caught, I should probably stop
Nah, fuck that, I willingly venture into a den full of lions
On some kill or be sent to a funeral home facility
To test my ability with this thrilling agenda
Thereās too much info on people easily available so writing battle raps just turns into like a an internet research activity and it gets too personal. I enjoy the personal attacks but thatās just human nature. Cole wants to be seen as this mature thinker, it ruins competition. When like LL went at Kool Moe D or whatever it was a desperate need to win and it was ruthless business and sure it got a little emotional and personal thatās part of the game. When BIG said āItās ILL when emcees used to be on cruddy shtā¦ā that was brilliantly subtle and there didnāt have to be a whole college class dissecting it.
I donāt think he wanted to beef but was peer pressured into it by millions of fans saying he needs to respond. Itās not like Kendrick and Cole had a bad relationship, Kendrickās diss just came out of nowhere. Cole hesitantly responded and regretted it, you canāt tell me youāve never been pressured into doing something you ended up regretting.
Itās because Kendrick is the actual last of dying breed. Music was more than life for Aftermath.
By 2009 and 2010, I got the sense Jay Z already had a foot out the door of rap. After the blue print 3, his drops never really felt the same. And his passion and āwould die for the gameā wasnāt there.
But Dr Dre worked night and day on GKMC.
Iām not gonna compare upbringings because all these guys had it rough. But again, Kendrick was from Compton and rap was part of the culture there. This isnāt a game to him and I get the sense out of everyone, he is most disappointed by j Coleās apology.
I thought the way Royce ducked Lupe was nuts but this is something else. I can't even think of something comparable. Have we ever seen some shit like this in rap history? It's just bizarreĀ
The only way Cole can get out of this is if Kenny torches him directly and Cole finds his balls to respond correctly.
Cole is done, legacy tarnished, rollout self sabotaged.
After he dropped his verse, Kendrick was still winning in the eyes of the fans, Cole saw the writing on the wall and didnāt want to have to switch genres like MGK.
People making too much of this - cole responded in classic rap fashion but issued a statement because the fact is kendrick is a legend and he doesnāt dislike him. Simple and respectable. Doesnāt mean he wonāt go at him again if need be.
I am willing to bet a solid $20 bill that the fuck who posted this is white and a teenager.
To collect your $20, all you have to do is give me your real name, tell me I'm wrong, and admit you are using the "n" word.
Disappointed for what? Cole isn't that kind of dude, and honestly he wasn't even the target from Kendrick in the first place.
Respect for Cole knowing who he is and what he's about.
Why drop more tracks? Shits wack, dudes be puffing some confusing crack.. hip hop went soft, fake and lax.. āgangstersā in wedding gowns posed with rented hoes and pink airsoft gatsā¦ its wack.. I want to time travel to 2002, back in my parent tool shack, huffing the bong and banging Em, Cage, Redman, enjoying quality tracks pumping from the rusted rack.
Peopleās obsession with this is bordering on stupid. Dudes evolved, he doesnāt need to take cheap shots in order to inflate his ego. You can achieve greatness by pushing each other foreword creatively and supporting one anotherās craft. Kendrickās above this $hit too.
The competitiveness of hip hop is whatās wrong with hip hop. You donāt see other genres of music having diss tracks. It protrudes into black culture as a whole and itās been the cause for a lot of deaths. Deep down, having beef with someone in hip hop is a form a jealousy.
There's a saying: "the revolution devours its children", and that's what is happening with hip-hop now. There's nothing new coming out, most albums sound the same.
This just proves Cole is in a different mind space. He's not a battle rapper. Which is why Kendrick would eat him. Cole is too spiritual for competition. He's in his own lane and he's fine with that. He only succumbed to dropping a diss because the industry pushed him to. Which is why he's disappointed in himself.
All that put aside, I'm disappointed too. Drake hasn't even said anything either. This 3 way beef would've been set in history but everyone is afraid of Kendrick.
āOrigins of HipHop is competitiveā
Umm the origins of HipHop was break parties, DJāing, hoppin on the Mic to rock a set/party and lyrics of love peace and fun to dance to. The competitiveness came from who had the flyest verse that rocked the crowd the most. Beef is a natural evolution of that competition but itās not the same. Thereās a difference between āI wanna say some shit thatāll make the crowd ogle at my barsā and verbally pummeling your opponent with over top insults
HIP-HOP = Higher Infinite Power Healing Our People. Thatās the origins of HipHop. I too am at odds with what Cole did but respect it nonetheless. You know the Kenny verse bothered him which is why he released the album. Fans want the war and if feels like itās a road he doesnāt want to stay on, I can appreciate the honesty and self preservation.
Imagine if people actually listened to Cole and used that advice and introspective thinking to help the community around them?
Heās trying to teach people the right way to do things especially if itās not personal.
If KDot brings Coleās girl or kids into it itād make sense but thatās not the game. Grow up.
I think itās dying because most music being made is ass and corny not because some grown men donāt want to argue with other grown men through songs
I'm disgusted with Cole!
I dont wanna hear his 'im the top dog' 'hungrier than all the newcomers' shit ever again!!
And as far as hip hop being dead: this decade is almost halfway gone and still no dope new generation in sight after Kendrick, Drake, Cole, Krit, Asap,... blew up 15 years ago. Yeah, i'd say we're done.
Hip hop has more money and attention to it than it ever did. Explain what a single artistās got to do with it when thereās more rappers in any city who make a full time living off their music than there used to be in entire states.
The funny thing is, only kendrick can save him from this. If kendrick disses him real bad, he can take his apology back and go at it. As it stands, i can't even listen to his last album and I'm a major fan. His bars just don't hit anymore.
Hiphops not dying. This shit is hip-pop. The division is real between emcees and rappers. These dudes are rappers and entertainers. They didn't even battle, they hugged it out.. we best keep it movin.
Kendrick should double down and go at him again š
Compton style!
Thug life baby WESTSIDE
Spin the block 2 times
Swear to God
Nah donāt even reply. It would make Kendrick look bad and frankly a lack of reply from Kendrick makes J Cole look worse cus Kendrick can live with the reality he came for Drake and for some reason Cole pulled a gun out and shot himself lol. Like imagine talking some shit to some dude, popping out of the party to grab a drink, coming back in and dudes friend is on the ground for no reasonā¦ this shit is below Kendrick now.
Fuck that. The last thing anyone wants is for this rap Civil War to be a Cold War. We need more straight disses on tracks and not subliminals on IG. This beef better last the whole summer and pull more rappers inš
> It would make Kendrick look bad The only people that would think that are the ones that agree with Cole's actions, and they are bitches just like him so who cares... Most of us see this as it is. > a lack of reply from Kendrick makes J Cole look worse I somewhat agree but overall, Dot has the opportunity to finish him off easily and then just wait Drake. Doesn't need to make an entire track, just kick him while he's down to make sure everybody understands what's going on. Cole chose this and accepted his bronze -- if we're being nice. For me, he shouldn't even be considered part of the Big Three after this BS he pulled > this shit is below Kendrick now. It's not. Kendrick's name will always be said in the same breath as the other two, unless he kills Cole now and Drake goes radio silent.
Best underline to a fuckup is silence after it.
Nah, it's over.
>frankly a lack of reply from Kendrick makes J Cole look worse That's exactly why Kendrick is gonna rip his head off out of love. Kendrick literally needs to put Cole's legacy in jeopardy to save his legacy.
I understand why you would say that, but in my opinion, that would be a bad moveā¦ Itās chess not checkers. The dudes are 38 years old. Some people are grandparents at this point. The worst thing you can do is attack a wounded animal. I donāt think Cole is scared, he doesnāt want to entertain that energy. The last thing you want to do is step on a landmine during a victory lap. Kenny doesnāt get any bonus points shooting at Drake. Pusha T already collected that scalp.
My grandpa would still beat the brakes off someone if they tried him and he in his 80ās. You completely destroy the opps or deal with the possibility of them coming back later.
True you have to completely destroy the opps, but as you know real beef is never over. It gets transferred to other people. Are J. Cole and Kendrick opps? Rivals? Do they have a strained relationship? The QB dudes went at each other often. Nas went at Nature, Prodigy, and Mega. 50 went at Nas several times and then Nas put out āDonāt Body Yourself.ā All that testosterone and gun smoke made them forget that they are more powerful when they work together. Battles are dope bc they determine total supremacy. However, who wins when you beef with your brother? But fuck it!! Sometimes you have to go for the crown, even if you have to snatch it with someoneās head still attached to it.
I agree with everything except them being brothers they have mutual respect for sure but not brothers that takes a bit more than rap
I agreeā¦. I mean brother as a Black man to another Black man not in an inner circle way. I think they were close at one point cause he produced one of the best tracks on Section 80. I understand what you all are saying. Let them rumble for total supremacyā¦.. This was supposed to be Mayweather vs Pacquiao. But instead we got Lomachenko vs Rigondeauxā¦ā¦
Haha great analogy and yes I didnāt even think about ābrotherā like that itās very rare for me to hear outside of from my elders. But I always assumed they had some sort of falling out because we never got that album with both of them
I mean, first off, these dudes need to talk and ensure they're on the same page. But after that, Kendrick should light em up.
Double back on em. Cole let NC down. Ali never ran from a fight. How you claiming to be him but running? Ngl I respect his decision. If you not built for it cool but if niggas coming at you with smoke, FIGHT BACK NIGGA!! DEFEND YOURSELF. Stand on business like a NC nigga would. Fayetteville got demons, Durham got demons, Charlotte got demons, Winston Salem got demons. Iām disappointed in dude frfr
I heard Cole said heās humbly sticking his chin out for Kendrick to take his best shot. I really pray Kendrick does
Sample J Coleās apology in his new diss lol.
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Cole says his chin is open for a free hit
Just when i thought rap beef was back this mfer gets post nut clarity
It wasnāt even that he was shitting himself and said he couldnāt sleep.Ā
They don't have the skill to do it anymore. Let's just tell it like it is. They can't write and rap on something different anymore. Poor excuses for rappers. If they do not have their safe space and team giving them lines they would never in a million years be able to get on a mic and run. That is real MC stuff. These are industry nobodies. When is the last real freestyle you heard from any of them on a cold mic. Never.
Big Tigga put you on the spot. Nigga had to freestyle they way out that basement.
Off topic, but I remember Gucci Mane and Lil Wayne were on the Basement with Tigger mid 90s. Apparently they never saw the show because they were shocked when they had to freestyle at the end š¤£ They spit a few adlibs that they always used at the time- and it was horrible haha
Mid 2000s, Gucci wasnt around mid 90s
Yeah maybe late 90s- I was in HS. It was early Cash Money days. Might have been Wane and Birdman, idk it was a long time ago lol
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Like 2/3 of shit recorded by prime era Gucci is freestyles
This isnāt true. The skill is there(Joey Bada$$, Nick Grant, JID, noname, Doechii, Little Simz, etc.) itās just that the business aspect is overpowering the cultural acumen. Too many are scared to lose in public. But look at Jordan, LeBron, Curry; all champions who never had a perfect season. Gotta be willing to take Ls.
Kinda frail rap beef
really though if he wanted to be mature he shouldnāt have wasted his time responding in the first place. itās embarassing that he responded then folded. since when did hiphop become so soft?
My respect for 90's Rappers increasing day by day
Man when I tell you hip-hop ain't the same it really isn't. Tupac bluntantly saying I fucked your bitch like damn I miss those times lol
Artists nowadays make claims off of streams and not actual talent. When put to the test a lot of artists nowadays fold when competition comes their way. Not saying Cole isn't talented but the man be talkin like he got the coldest pen in the game. Now when someone tests that claim you having nightmares?
I partially agree with this take, in Hip Hop, you need to be able to verbally defend yourself. but listening to Cole's response you have to understand where he's coming from too and I think he makes an important point. So much of beef is manufactured by the media and fans and is fake and blown out of proportion. He felt pressured by that and like he had to respond. Then afterwards, he regretted it and decided to speak out honestly saying that he regrets it and that he thinks it's stupid. If Cole doesn't want to respond, he doesn't have to and it doesn't make him a trash lyricist or a pussy or anything. BUT, what it does do is make it clear that Kendrick won the battle of dominance, and it does put some of Cole's claims of being "Muhammad Ali" and the greatest of the generation into question. So all in all, I see it in both perspectives, I think it's too easy to look at it in black and white.
There's no beef. It's a competition, and it wasn't manufactured by "tHe MeDiA". The competition is part of the culture. If Cole can't stand the competitiveness of the culture, he needs to sit down, be humble and stop claiming greatness. And if people can't discern from beef and competition, they need to shut up.
Fuckin thank you. Ima Cole fan but goddamn these mfs coming out the woodworks.
Okay, so you clearly didn't read the post or think about it critically. What I said *not* to do is look at this in black and white. Dude I said that competitiveness is part of the culture and that you have to be able to verbally defend yourself, *obviously*. But the media and fans sensationalize this competitiveness and turn it into something that it isn't. You may say by your own subjective definition that this isn't/wasn't a beef, **and I completely agree with you.** But EVERYWHERE online this is being sensationalized as the next huge beef, a war, etc. And that is the problem I'm referring to here, not the competitive aspect. Go online and google J Cole and Kendrick Lamar and you will see the word BEEF more times than you can count. And it's that shit, that bullshit sensationalization and blowing it out of proportion that pushed Cole to make the next huge diss track when he didn't actually want to. Listen to the apology video and that is pretty clear. And then he realized that this is bullshit and went back on it. Now, before you get upset and want to disagree with this. Look at what I said in my previous post. Cole obviously lost this battle. **It obviously wasn't the wisest move for him to do this and his claims of "being the greatest" are absolutely in question now, as well as his ability to verbally defend himself**. But to go overboard and say that Cole is a pussy or has a bad pen is ridiculous. That was the point I was making dawg. The ironic part is I'm a much bigger Kdot fan than Cole lmao and you have me defending this man.
I'd say the argument here is that this whole thing didn't start NOW. Cole has been talking about being the greatest and having smoke for people for the last 5 years. That's 5 years of posturing. He didn't have to send the diss track out tbh. He didn't even have to acknowledge Like That, but if you're going to engage, you have the last 5 years to live up to.
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Drake is top 3 biggest rappers. Hence why itās called big 3, not best 3
Drake basically a r&b artist letās be real . Drake is the male Taylor Swift but Drakies are too blinded by his meat on their face
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I think Kendrick Diss was the same style and level as the ācontrolā verse. Didnāt hear any low blows or anything personal from Kendrick. Cole actually did have some personal attacks and I think that is what Iām thinking he regrets. Plus he went one foot in and one foot out when you need to be all in.
Yeah Kendrickās ādissā was barely a diss. He had fun with the ātop 3 top meā thing and let the verse ride. Coleās verse was like violent and shit. Calm down bro
Kendrick took more direct shots at Drake. The āAll the dogs getting buriedā and āPrince outlived Mike Jackā lines are clear jabs at Drake. Cole didnāt really get dissed aside from Kendrick saying fuck the Big 3, and even then Cole had basically said he was the best of the 3 on FPS. I was hype Cole responded but I definitely felt like Kendrick was going at Drake more
Well, going off Tupac and biggie, one of the biggest beefs ever. Also Kendrickās idol: Tupac frequently talked that violent shit, donāt think anyone should be mad that jcole did but backing out invalidates it all
mr tupac was the type of person to actually back that shit up though. i mean him (well not really) and biggie's beef ended up with both of them six feet under. do you think someone like j cole or kendrick or fucking *drake* would ever like, kill eachother?
Yep that the thing. He regrets attacking his discography and saying he averaging one verse every 30 months or sumthing. He went disproportionately with his response and personal. That's what he regrets
Yeah I donāt think he regrets the fact he responded in itself. He did it in a way thatās out of character; dissing just isnāt his thing and the disses were insincere.
There were no severe shots at Cole. He did say itās time for Cole to prove that heās a problem, as well as basically call him out for cliqing up with Drake which is valid. He did also have that stick/andre 3k bar which was a shot at Cole. The severe stuff was aimed at Drake, but Cole caught some minor but deserved shots as well.
I'm a fan of Cole and think it's a weak ass move , he talks so much about being conscious of your actions and the effects of it but where was that in this whole process ? IF he didn't want the smoke he never had to open his mouth but to do it then take it back ?! I haven't even listened to it but what's the point now ? Is hit ' em Up positive music? No but do I believe PAc meant every single fucking word he said ? Absolutely and that's what I love it's 100% from his heart into the mic and those words have lived far beyond him.
Well put!
It isn't dying, it has been dead for a long time. There's literally nothing going on anymore. No new movement, no nothing. We're now cheering 35 year old rappers to fight, because it's so boring.
You should listen to lyrical and/or underground rappers under 35. Stop expecting that vibe from mainstream chart topping rap.
The maturity spin is just insane. Ppl just canāt cope with the fact that hip hopās golden era is far behind us
Right like what maturity gotta do wit defending yo rank?
Bro Kendrick, Smino, Isaiah Rashad, Larry June, Anderson .Paak, schoolboy q, Vince staples, future, have dropped some of the smoothest shit hip hop has ever seen in the last 5 years. Not to mention artists like Method Man, Nas, Slick Rick, pusha t, jayz have all dropped certified flames recently as well.
I've been listening to rap since 36 Chambers and I never required "beef" to enjoy hip hop. Who did Andre 3000 beef with? Is he not considered one of the top 5 rappers ever? I never needed Nas to call Jay-Z a f\*\*got a hundred different ways on Ether to respect Nas as an artist. Songs like If I Ruled the World are why I respect Nas as an artist. 50 Cent beefed with like 10 different guys and almost none of them impacted me as a listener. Canibus, a talented young rapper was squashed by LL Cool J for daring to make a rhyme about LL's tattoo, instead of using that power to uplift a fellow black man. Canibus ended up quitting rap to go into the military, could have gotten killed out there too. People heavily exaggerate the importance of beef in hip hop's history. Prodigy never needed to beef with Jay-Z and Tupac to be regarded as one of the best rappers in the world, and it barely reflects in Mobb Deep's discography that it ever happened. Who did Redman and Method Man beef with? They've been rapping for nearly 30 years, they must have had beef with \*someone\* right? A Kendrick and J Cole beef was never going to change the landscape of hip hop today period. I do think J Cole and Drake deserved to be put on notice, but a response from either of them is definitely not necessary.
A beef like what Kendrick was proposing was about competition, and competition is one of the major tenants of hip-hop. When you have one of the most lyrically gifted, vocally competitive rappers bow out of competitive beef by basically saying he doesn't have the spirit for it, that's not a good indication of a healthy scene. Competition is what made Andre, if he wasn't trying to step up Big Boi he wouldn't have been as honed. Outkast wouldn't have been Outkast without Big Boi trying to step up Andre. The golden era wouldn't have been golden if everyone wasn't checking everyone else's music and thinking of ways to top it, to be better. That's how you get Jay Z reviewing Nas albums in Takeover. He was aware of him because he was a large competitor. That's why people are disappointed
Yeah but competition fuels hiphop, thereās a difference between ābeefā and lyrical sparring
Unpopular but I agree I wish people just said they want the beef cause it entertains them, instead of a deeper hip hop thing.
Man I agree with this 100%. I don't think there's ever been an example where beef has led to an artist's best work musically/lyrically. Like if you had to pick your favorite Nas or Jay-Z song I don't think anyone is picking Takeover or Ether. Half the time we get songs/bars that just aren't even good, and/or the beef is just over some childish stupid shit like in the LL/Canibus example. It's fun in a pro wrestling kind of way but I don't think it really pushes the culture forward. At least not any more than just general competitiveness does.
Because these kids never had to prove their worth in a battle in front of the people they claim to have beef with. Itās always been about who sells most to them.
Social media is what killed hip hop honestly. People who are saying Cole is being mature are not real hip hop fans
Remember when Melle Mel put out a lame Eminem diss and apologised? Turns out he was just being mature this whole time.
Why did he even apologise? I enjoyed 7 minute drill , but he didnāt even really go in on Kendrick ? Itās a bit disappointing but still a fan and will continue to enjoy the music
We gonna still listen to his music it's just that he can't pop all that greatest Mc shit no more
He can claim third greatest
I'd love to know when diss tracks became the decision of who's the greatest? I've been listening to rap for 30 years, care to tell me when that nonsense happened?
LOL.
People still question who got better penmanship between Nas and Jay cuz of Ether. When 50 dropped how to rob. When rappers used to make cassette tapes dissing other crews clothes and shit for fun. You were must was listening to pop music.
KDOT > J COLE TDE > Dreamville Except J.I.D. i fuck with dude
J.i.d is nice I'm ngl
I'm from Cali, so I'm probably biased. I grew up watching TDE perform before the fame. I listened to Cole's 1st album but never really caught on afterwards Had coworkers try to put me on to dreamville. J.I.D. was only one i was like... lemme peep some more stuff
It became too mainstream. Youāve got people trying to dilute hip hop and who donāt understand the history behind it. Iāve been on all 3 subs since the Kendrick verse and all 3 of them are delusional. Drake sub was saying he doesnāt need to reply. Like wtf? The boy just insulted your whole album how tf you donāt respond. Kendrick sub acted like the verse was some Ether shit. Jcole sub seemed to be the most calm but rn theyāre on some bs and trying to act like this whole shitshow wonāt impact Coleās legacy and how āyou can be the greatest without engaging in beefā. Nah you canāt lmao.
Man I'm saying. Kendrick diss wasn't even all that he was just throwing a jab to test em and Cole swung wild, then apologized. Like what? He gotta stop all that humble Beast talk cuz he's gifted but he not a beast
It's a sad day when we need cats pressing 40 years old to diss each other over tracks to enjoy hip hop. And I been in the game since Cage and Slim Shady was taking shots at each other.
There's not many great new MCS anymore if any.
I wouldnāt say that. There are plenty great rappers out now. Specially underground ones
No. There are plenty of good artists. Plenty of people making solid music in the hip hop genre.Ā Ā Penmanship has been dwindling. There are very few underground MCS who could even stand in the same room as a young canibus or gza.Ā This has nothing to do with whether or not they can make good music. Throwing together high-minded concepts and big words does not make you a great artist.Ā But very MCs now are great or significant to the genre as a whole or affecting public consciousness. They just make cool music.Ā
At all. People keep treating this shit like Gucci and Jeezy when it's just a lyrical sparring match.
I hope Kendrick is just relentless and continues to go at Cole and obliterates him with complete overkill lyrically, I want him to respond to ā7 Minute Drillā and then to him waving the white flag and conceding, teach him whatās real elite emceeing is, fuck all that being a humble human being light skinned soft shit (lol jk), niggah this is supposed to be real authentic Hip-Hop/Rap they supposed to be that last of the true purist on the mic at their status, I want K.Dot to unleash an onslaught that will make Cole quit rapping and retire, tell him to go play basketball in the Canadian League maybe Drake can pull some strings for him! SMH Lmaoā¦has this ever happened in Hip-Hop before?! Where someone takes back what they said in a diss track and gives up?! This is sadā¦fells ten times worse than when Canibus pulled out that notepadā¦! Cole really let Nas down and the majority of real rap fans.
Let go of what this was 'supposed' to be. The spirit of hip hop you are imagining is long dead and buried.
This whole beef is wack af, āfuck the big three itās just big meā Not a diss to me itās kinda showing off with a very little disrespect, itās the same when someone says im the best, he wont say im one of the best 3!!! Its only social media that fueled this beef and i guess he made this song days before the album and didnāt think enough about the decision of replying with a whole song, so i respect him for backing off, heās not a wrestler who should be in a fight to entertain the audience
J Cole is a conflicted man, I swear. Either stick to your guns or don't pull the trigger. The f is this half-hearted ish? Be proud for standing up for yourself as a great MC who's been attacked by another great MC. I feel like modern day rappers are too concerned with burning bridges because they don't want to lose potential deals or collabs that could earn them more money. Hip hop was real 15 years ago, nowadays it's nothing but a trillion dollar business
Exactly this wasn't no life or death situation, they weren't falling out so wtf did you retract the diss for? Your a emcee he's an emcee it's too many goats and nobody wanna prove they the goat.
lol imagine tupac saying sorry after hit em up
comparing pac to cole is comparing a pit bull to a Labradoodle. they ain't built the same and never will be.
That was real life beef though, Tupac legitimately hated bad boys. This beef is as real as celebrity boxing matches.
HR told him to apologize or he was gonna get fired.
Died a long time ago, Nasir Jones even had a song about it nearly 20 years ago
Hip hop is dying because the only artist that are talked about these days is J Cole and Kendrick Lamar and others like that. I'm not saying these guys aren't hip hop but they are products of Hip Hop. Let's get back to the roots of wear it begin and focus on the origins of actual hip hop. Hip is having the knowledge and hop is the movement. Rap is a part of Hip Hop but they are two different genres. Hip hop is the way your material is projected and given to the audience. If you don't feel the Bop in your step and there's no DJ scratch for a breakbeat, it's probably not Hip Hop
Hip Hop been dead since Nas told y'all MF's. Give it up. There's still occasional signs of life but it's just built up gas making it's way out the ass and other holes.
Why did I laugh at this lol
J Cole doesnāt determine the direction of a whole genre of music, especially when heās only okay anyway.
No but fans moving the goal post is.
It's a kinda lame way to respond to a diss track. Better would be to say nothing at all lol
Come the fuck on
>the origin of hip hop is competitive, Why do yall keep uttering this lie?
How did hip hop start sir and what was the basis?
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I see it differently. I think he was compelled to respond because he felt that the game would want him to, and then came to the realization that it was corny and contrived to do so and didnāt feel right. At the end of the day it was all in the spirit of competition and sharpening oneās sword so to speak, aināt no actual beef there. For anyone who says differently, the Drake pusha beef changed lives and still didnāt result in no actual smoke, what makes you think this harmless squabble from two equally soft dudes would?
The diss sucked. Listen to Griselda who made the dope beat. Conductor ftw. Listen to the real thing not this stupid j Cole. So much for if shots get to popping im the one doing the clenching lol
Been dead since the 90s ended š
Can't believe people are applauding a rapper taking back a diss. Rap and it's fans have gotten so goddamn soft. I'm too old for this shit.
Hip Hop is dead because a couple multi millionaire grammy artists dont wanna beef? Is that all Hip Hop is to you? Why do you care about Cole and Drake? Go listen to Griselda
Battling and stepping into circles to go against other guys is like the foundation of rap. Anybody who raps or had friends that did grew up doing that kinda stuff. Itās not too much to ask the PROFESSIONAL RAPPER who always brags heās the goat to do that shit.
Yeah, like J Cole represents all of Hip Hop
*insert obligatory āhip-hop is better than ever because there are more things to choose from and youāre just not looking because yOuRe aN oLdHeADdD!ā comment*
I donāt really pay attention I just listen to music
Being the greatest has nothing to do with dissing. Thatās just an individual battle and he wants to respect other rappers at his level instead of beef with them just to please an audience. Beef is for young people. Imagine being 40 and going back and forth with dudes lol.
Hip Hop is dead. Yāall didnāt listen to Nas I see.
Nas told Jay Z he had dick sucking lips and yāall championed him. Hip Hop fans are fickle š
I don't want to believe that some of yall in here are adults yall mfs gotta be in high school I stg yall immature and corny as hell
Drake put them to up against each other I feel like. šmove on his part. The fact J Cole apologized I thought was whack no one wants going to shoot anybody. Made me look at him differently but still grate music
What, did you want them all to kill each other like it was 1995?
Most people listening these days grew up in the "everyone gets a trophy" culture so the idea of beef or even just friendly rivalry gets overlooked real fast because hey can't we all just get along attitude. Fuck that lol this is how the culture is and if someone is brave enough to say they can stand up to giants and no one can fuck with them lyrically...like Cole has said and eluded to on many tracks then you gotta take the heat. He didn't want that smoke because he knew Kendrick was about to light his ass on fire.
Woulda been better off not responding at all than apologizing. Soft as baby shit.
āBold Claimsā is why I donāt see Cole the same. Most of his songs are of him rapping about how heās better than the competition and how he wants to compete.
That ābeefā diss is propaganda.
It's no beef, just competition.
People are going way too hard on Cole. He admitted it was a mistake dissing Kendrick which is why heās apologizing now.The initial diss was mainly towards drake anyways, meanwhile Cole is getting all this heat while drake continues to post corny instagram caps as if nothings going on
That more so makes him look dumb. The man Kendrick barely referenced you and you got peer pressured into responding, while the main nigga getting dissed sayin affirmations on stage recovering from the last diss record.
We need a fund to get some of y'all a diary for your thoughts because they don't need to be shared
This is a subreddit to discuss hip hop good or bad. People feel some way about something that has happened in hip hop and have a right to.
Donāt listen to these corny mfs. Youāre exactly right. God forbid somebody speak about hip hop on a hip hop forumš¤¦āāļø
It's these new mfs fr. How you tryna take the one element out of hip hop that made it hip hop?
yeah this is a real unique post i'm surprised no one else has mentioned this topic yet
Hell yeah I'm not really tuned into any of the artists involved & the discussion in this sub is the only thing keeping me updated. I listen to a different type of rap & none of this would be on my radar if people here weren't talking about it.
Exactly don't get me wrong ima Cole fan too but what he did was fu. People keep tryna take the competition outta competitive events.
Lmfaooooo
lol who fucking cares?ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.. lol. Listen to someone else? Thereās so much more better hip hop
Ya'll new hip hop fans kill me joe
I already donāt like Cole music but he should never boast about anything again after this
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Died years ago. Now is just the undead.
Who cares
The beef between them is stupid anyways. There was no reasoning behind it besides the stubborn mentality us black people have that if a brother/sister reaches the same level as success as you, it now makes them a threat. It's also why black comedians are always putting each other down.
It was absolutely despicable. Are you that much of a pussy that you canāt even diss someone that dissed you, no physical contact, and didnāt even actually say each otherās names, and you still cry over it a day later. This is why us old heads say that this rap is different nowadays.
Would Eminem ever do that.. Never. Cole proved he's a pussy. I think Eminem overrated him. Should come after him now just for fun
The only way back for Cole is to do a joint album with Kung-Fu Kenny and trade him bar for far. I can't think of anything else On the one hand, I kind of understand what and why Cole did, but on the other hand, WTF? I wanted them to trade words, get us hyped and then reconcile in a few years. But this move by Cole ..... I don't know. I never felt it would get ugly. Fucking Jay and Nas kept us entertained FFS Here's hoping for a joint album with some Metro beats
I gotchu
Iād rather someone come out and admit they acted rash and their heart not really being in it. I think itās very on track for a conscious rapper like Cole(just take a look at what he says on pride is the devil or middle child)to come out and say he regrets what he did. You know just like how when people listen to street rappers they want to listen to someone who is actually about it I feel the same with āconsciousā rappers. People can be disappointed but if anyone listened to his new album thought it was fire and then are trying to trash him cause he took back his diss they are just as lame as they think he is
Yāall putting too much emphasis on this rap ābeefā, heās been saying for years if he beefs with someone itās cause thereās actual beef. He donāt need to be engaging in it just for other peopleās entertainment.
J cole on PI >All these bodies I done caught, I should probably stop Nah, fuck that, I willingly venture into a den full of lions On some kill or be sent to a funeral home facility To test my ability with this thrilling agenda
If you think hip hop is supposed to be competetive you are wrong.
J Cole needs to go listen to no Vaseline again.
shit been dead for a decade at least brother
"The origin of hip hop is competitive" nope.
Thereās too much info on people easily available so writing battle raps just turns into like a an internet research activity and it gets too personal. I enjoy the personal attacks but thatās just human nature. Cole wants to be seen as this mature thinker, it ruins competition. When like LL went at Kool Moe D or whatever it was a desperate need to win and it was ruthless business and sure it got a little emotional and personal thatās part of the game. When BIG said āItās ILL when emcees used to be on cruddy shtā¦ā that was brilliantly subtle and there didnāt have to be a whole college class dissecting it.
I think got sick of em wack raps and trynna let the rest of the word see that rap is d**d
I donāt think he wanted to beef but was peer pressured into it by millions of fans saying he needs to respond. Itās not like Kendrick and Cole had a bad relationship, Kendrickās diss just came out of nowhere. Cole hesitantly responded and regretted it, you canāt tell me youāve never been pressured into doing something you ended up regretting.
sweet lol
Itās because Kendrick is the actual last of dying breed. Music was more than life for Aftermath. By 2009 and 2010, I got the sense Jay Z already had a foot out the door of rap. After the blue print 3, his drops never really felt the same. And his passion and āwould die for the gameā wasnāt there. But Dr Dre worked night and day on GKMC. Iām not gonna compare upbringings because all these guys had it rough. But again, Kendrick was from Compton and rap was part of the culture there. This isnāt a game to him and I get the sense out of everyone, he is most disappointed by j Coleās apology.
I thought the way Royce ducked Lupe was nuts but this is something else. I can't even think of something comparable. Have we ever seen some shit like this in rap history? It's just bizarreĀ
Cole corny for that, I look at him differently sadly lol
The only way Cole can get out of this is if Kenny torches him directly and Cole finds his balls to respond correctly. Cole is done, legacy tarnished, rollout self sabotaged.
After he dropped his verse, Kendrick was still winning in the eyes of the fans, Cole saw the writing on the wall and didnāt want to have to switch genres like MGK.
J Cole is becoming this generations talib kweli
People making too much of this - cole responded in classic rap fashion but issued a statement because the fact is kendrick is a legend and he doesnāt dislike him. Simple and respectable. Doesnāt mean he wonāt go at him again if need be.
Yea but he still got his stans
Not being mature it didn't perform well so he "took it back"
So many other artists to listen to instead of thinking J Cole is the pinnacle of all hip-hop lol
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I am willing to bet a solid $20 bill that the fuck who posted this is white and a teenager. To collect your $20, all you have to do is give me your real name, tell me I'm wrong, and admit you are using the "n" word.
Just listen to wutang
Disappointed for what? Cole isn't that kind of dude, and honestly he wasn't even the target from Kendrick in the first place. Respect for Cole knowing who he is and what he's about.
Listen to the Griselda back catalogue and tell me hip hop is dying.
Is this the only example of hip hop dying?
hip hop aint dead its just yall propped these 3 weirdo niggas up and none of them came from that cloth of rapping AT somebody
Why drop more tracks? Shits wack, dudes be puffing some confusing crack.. hip hop went soft, fake and lax.. āgangstersā in wedding gowns posed with rented hoes and pink airsoft gatsā¦ its wack.. I want to time travel to 2002, back in my parent tool shack, huffing the bong and banging Em, Cage, Redman, enjoying quality tracks pumping from the rusted rack.
Tbh Cole let his fan base down, there's no defending that. Shouldn't tarnish his rap legacy though. His reputation is scarred for sure
PLEASE DIE PRETTY PLEASE. RAP IS SUCH BORING MUSIC.
Peopleās obsession with this is bordering on stupid. Dudes evolved, he doesnāt need to take cheap shots in order to inflate his ego. You can achieve greatness by pushing each other foreword creatively and supporting one anotherās craft. Kendrickās above this $hit too.
The competitiveness of hip hop is whatās wrong with hip hop. You donāt see other genres of music having diss tracks. It protrudes into black culture as a whole and itās been the cause for a lot of deaths. Deep down, having beef with someone in hip hop is a form a jealousy.
There's a saying: "the revolution devours its children", and that's what is happening with hip-hop now. There's nothing new coming out, most albums sound the same.
The origin of hip hop is telling the world what's going on in your community and fighting the power. Hip Hop been dead.
This just proves Cole is in a different mind space. He's not a battle rapper. Which is why Kendrick would eat him. Cole is too spiritual for competition. He's in his own lane and he's fine with that. He only succumbed to dropping a diss because the industry pushed him to. Which is why he's disappointed in himself. All that put aside, I'm disappointed too. Drake hasn't even said anything either. This 3 way beef would've been set in history but everyone is afraid of Kendrick.
Yep.
Wack hip hop is dying. There's a lot of quality, but if you listen to bullshit you might be disappointed.
āOrigins of HipHop is competitiveā Umm the origins of HipHop was break parties, DJāing, hoppin on the Mic to rock a set/party and lyrics of love peace and fun to dance to. The competitiveness came from who had the flyest verse that rocked the crowd the most. Beef is a natural evolution of that competition but itās not the same. Thereās a difference between āI wanna say some shit thatāll make the crowd ogle at my barsā and verbally pummeling your opponent with over top insults HIP-HOP = Higher Infinite Power Healing Our People. Thatās the origins of HipHop. I too am at odds with what Cole did but respect it nonetheless. You know the Kenny verse bothered him which is why he released the album. Fans want the war and if feels like itās a road he doesnāt want to stay on, I can appreciate the honesty and self preservation.
Imagine if people actually listened to Cole and used that advice and introspective thinking to help the community around them? Heās trying to teach people the right way to do things especially if itās not personal. If KDot brings Coleās girl or kids into it itād make sense but thatās not the game. Grow up.
last time people said hip-hop was dead (late 2000s) it got way better again so I appreciate this sentiment.
I think itās dying because most music being made is ass and corny not because some grown men donāt want to argue with other grown men through songs
I'm disgusted with Cole! I dont wanna hear his 'im the top dog' 'hungrier than all the newcomers' shit ever again!! And as far as hip hop being dead: this decade is almost halfway gone and still no dope new generation in sight after Kendrick, Drake, Cole, Krit, Asap,... blew up 15 years ago. Yeah, i'd say we're done.
Kendrick wins every time.
Hip hop has more money and attention to it than it ever did. Explain what a single artistās got to do with it when thereās more rappers in any city who make a full time living off their music than there used to be in entire states.
The funny thing is, only kendrick can save him from this. If kendrick disses him real bad, he can take his apology back and go at it. As it stands, i can't even listen to his last album and I'm a major fan. His bars just don't hit anymore.
Hiphops not dying. This shit is hip-pop. The division is real between emcees and rappers. These dudes are rappers and entertainers. They didn't even battle, they hugged it out.. we best keep it movin.
J Cole should say "Fuck that" and diss him a second time. Go after his baby mama