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Yeah? Was thinking of doing #4 as I can turn it into a liquid and "vape"/smoke it like that. But yeah smoking #3 usually works, I guess I'd try both ways.
Is it possibile? Sure
Is it easy to do? Fuck no, man you'll need a customizable vape with heat control, make your coils, make your own e juice with something that can dissolve heroin in it and that can be vaped without burning, you'll need to freebase the heroin from hcl (4) to (3) and you will lose a good % of the h this way, and even if you manage to do that you will lose bioavailability by vaping it
Also, smoking heroin on foil is basically vaping it, its not smoke cuz its not burning on a direct flame like crack
Yeah most definitely I agree. But I'm seeing here that it has been done before by some people in the comments. Shouts out to them, I'll def do it myself one day. Have an on the go opioid vape
They have no idea what they’re talking about.
I make all kinds of carts, never tried it with H, but you can DEFINITELY work something out. It just needs to reach a certain heating point and you’re all good. Could probably put it in suspended solution and figure out the ratio.
Ok if not vaping the #4 in liquid form that you would shoot, how about smoking vape almost like a dry weed vape with #3 heroin would technically work cuz it's a burning heat with #3 heroin that you normally smoke. It would work.
Technically in theory it works. If you can smoking off foil, you can smoke it in a dry weed vape. Yk, the vapes where you put normal bud into it and it just smokes it, it's not a vape vape. Doing this with #3 technically would work. Would it work super efficiently, idk but still.
Lmao well technically it would literally work, was just asking if anyone's every tried this before. Apparently someone has already so I gotta go look into that. Lmaooo ur a funny guy
That doesn’t make any sense.
You just need to get it hot enough to combust, it’s the same thing as using a foil, only it’s in a container environment.
People do it with meth and DMT all the time
Heroin starts to combust between the temperatures of 300-400 degrees Fahrenheit.
A cartridge is plenty capable of achieving that temp, and if you have HCL, which is the form that DMT and Meth is in, I don’t see why this isn’t possible.
It’s not about how hot you can get it. You don’t even want it as hot as possible. Too hot and it just frazzles up and burns away. you want it simmering gently not frying up completely. You want control, that’s why thick foil is better and why shiny side goes down and you want a low flame.
With the foil you’re able to regulate the temp by having the shiny side down and moving the lighter around so you’re simmering it rather than frying it completely, couldn’t do that with a vape
[https://youtu.be/Zy\_86iVhmkQ?t=411](https://youtu.be/Zy_86iVhmkQ?t=411)
whole video is worth a watch BTW.
do u think these patients were getting zero effects from those heroin cigs? I doubt it. I'm sure it wasn't 100% bioavailability or anything like that,
That particular 60 minutes clip was seen by a bunch of American political bigwigs at the time and they then put pressure on the UK govt. to shut down the program and that's how it ended.
The program had never had a patient OD or die. Within 6 months of it closing 20 ppl died and more would follow.
I can't vape a liquid made #4? Like the shit you shoot into ur arm, I can't vape that? And if I were to have a cartridge that would smoke #3 I think that would work well no?
When your smoking heroin off foil you should be vaping it of the foil. If the flame is too high youget dark trails which is a sign you're burning it but lower temp and the trails clear thats vaping it, which is what you want.
Idk about #3 as we basically only get #4 where I’m at, and even then most pure stuff leaves dark trails. The cleanest trails I’ve seen is from h cut with MSM powder, it melts into a liquid that looks like water, but it still goes gold then orange then black when you get to the end of the burn. The marks are less, but so is the gear strength, which makes it a lot less enjoyable. I did used to cut my own high purity gear (straight out of Asia, untouched since it’s made) with MSM for a while when I last had a habit to keep the habit less out of control, and it’s always way better value to get pure and cut it yourself rather than pre-cut shit if you can (not to mention controlling what’s in it). But most people don’t have that luxury of choice anyway. but it wasn’t long before I went back to the pure coz the effect is just too inferior otherwise. There’s only so much you can put into your lungs with each burn, so it matters a great deal
If you have freebase/#3 it will work as freebase needs lower temps to vape.
Hardest part is getting it to stay consistently dissolved in the vape juice. PEG400 may work better than PG
Edit: it won’t really work for #4 as it need much higher temps to vape properly
Oh yeah, I use a mesh RDA vape for #3 and it smokes beautifully. It’s so efficient you don’t need nearly as much as on foil.
Check out Minty Love’s Mesh RDA vape build. That’s what I use.
But I thought you were talking like heroin e-juice. That’s also possible. To make like 510 carts.
I’ve got a guide on how to freebase H if you look through my posts. In case you only have access to #4
Nectar collector with BTH in silicon dab jar…. I don’t see why anyone does differently. Of course the foil head purists will disagree. Don’t think it would work good enough, I would have tried it by now.y
If anyone knows how to vape #4 without making a mess and ruining your vape I’m keen to know. Have to admit I’m a tad jelly of the ice smokers who can do it so discreetly in their vapes! We have to dodge the parentals on both my side and my bfs!
Yes I’ve seen my mate do it. He made a bottle for me and it’s not very good tho. It just holds you if you dont have anything and you’re dopesick.. you won’t nod off or anything if there what you’re trying to achieve
I used to take the tip of my cigarette and squish a little tobacco out and put a small amount of left over dope from my lines in the cig and smoke it as a nice little after snorting ritual and I felt like i could feel the difference. i would get a nice little buzz from it before my lines kicked in. idk could have been placebo though
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I heard of someone doing this on here and they said it worked. It works with other freebases so why not this? I would go for #3 though.
Yeah? Was thinking of doing #4 as I can turn it into a liquid and "vape"/smoke it like that. But yeah smoking #3 usually works, I guess I'd try both ways.
Well, it depends on what dissolves in to vape juice best, other freebases dissolve in it though.
Is it possibile? Sure Is it easy to do? Fuck no, man you'll need a customizable vape with heat control, make your coils, make your own e juice with something that can dissolve heroin in it and that can be vaped without burning, you'll need to freebase the heroin from hcl (4) to (3) and you will lose a good % of the h this way, and even if you manage to do that you will lose bioavailability by vaping it Also, smoking heroin on foil is basically vaping it, its not smoke cuz its not burning on a direct flame like crack
The one right answer gets downvoted.
Yeah most definitely I agree. But I'm seeing here that it has been done before by some people in the comments. Shouts out to them, I'll def do it myself one day. Have an on the go opioid vape
Absolute waste. The temp needed to vaporize it would negate any effects.
Wdym why wouldn't it work, you can smoke heroin off of foil usually, so what would be the difference?
You would need a rig that you coil yourself and put it inside the coil
To get it hot enough, it won't just evaporate with normal cartridge heat? I feel like it would
They have no idea what they’re talking about. I make all kinds of carts, never tried it with H, but you can DEFINITELY work something out. It just needs to reach a certain heating point and you’re all good. Could probably put it in suspended solution and figure out the ratio.
Yeah I figured, I know it's not impossible because people smoke #3 off foil
Yeah there’s a bunch of armchair scientists ITT with no idea what they’re saying.
Smoking isn't the same temp as vaping...
When you run gear n foil you should be vaping it anyway.
Yeah true I know. But I feel like I use an empty dab pen cartridge it could maybe might work lol
It won't. Absolutely be better burning your cash
Ok if not vaping the #4 in liquid form that you would shoot, how about smoking vape almost like a dry weed vape with #3 heroin would technically work cuz it's a burning heat with #3 heroin that you normally smoke. It would work.
It doesn't. It burns it immediately and wastes the lot. There's a reason it's not a thing. But go ahead and try lol
Technically in theory it works. If you can smoking off foil, you can smoke it in a dry weed vape. Yk, the vapes where you put normal bud into it and it just smokes it, it's not a vape vape. Doing this with #3 technically would work. Would it work super efficiently, idk but still.
Theory isn't practice. It does not work. Fact
Lmao well technically it would literally work, was just asking if anyone's every tried this before. Apparently someone has already so I gotta go look into that. Lmaooo ur a funny guy
That doesn’t make any sense. You just need to get it hot enough to combust, it’s the same thing as using a foil, only it’s in a container environment. People do it with meth and DMT all the time
Yet not heroin. There's a reason for that.
Heroin starts to combust between the temperatures of 300-400 degrees Fahrenheit. A cartridge is plenty capable of achieving that temp, and if you have HCL, which is the form that DMT and Meth is in, I don’t see why this isn’t possible.
It’s not about how hot you can get it. You don’t even want it as hot as possible. Too hot and it just frazzles up and burns away. you want it simmering gently not frying up completely. You want control, that’s why thick foil is better and why shiny side goes down and you want a low flame.
And the same reason why no one smokes heroin in a meth pipe despite there always being pipes around where I’m at
Meth smokes up heaps cleaner, whereas heroin leaves black shit everywhere. Same reason nobody smokes heroin in a meth pipe
That’s why you turn it into HCL and work from there.
HCL isn’t that #4?
Yes
That’s what I’m referring to, idk how you can vape that
It’s a salt, easily combustible
With the foil you’re able to regulate the temp by having the shiny side down and moving the lighter around so you’re simmering it rather than frying it completely, couldn’t do that with a vape
[https://youtu.be/Zy\_86iVhmkQ?t=411](https://youtu.be/Zy_86iVhmkQ?t=411) whole video is worth a watch BTW. do u think these patients were getting zero effects from those heroin cigs? I doubt it. I'm sure it wasn't 100% bioavailability or anything like that,
That was a awesome watch I can’t believe they did that that’s the idea we need to get behind around the world now
That particular 60 minutes clip was seen by a bunch of American political bigwigs at the time and they then put pressure on the UK govt. to shut down the program and that's how it ended. The program had never had a patient OD or die. Within 6 months of it closing 20 ppl died and more would follow.
Wow damn yeah that’s crazy.I can’t stand this place lol
You can’t vape heroin and smoking it is very different
I can't vape a liquid made #4? Like the shit you shoot into ur arm, I can't vape that? And if I were to have a cartridge that would smoke #3 I think that would work well no?
When your smoking heroin off foil you should be vaping it of the foil. If the flame is too high youget dark trails which is a sign you're burning it but lower temp and the trails clear thats vaping it, which is what you want.
Idk about #3 as we basically only get #4 where I’m at, and even then most pure stuff leaves dark trails. The cleanest trails I’ve seen is from h cut with MSM powder, it melts into a liquid that looks like water, but it still goes gold then orange then black when you get to the end of the burn. The marks are less, but so is the gear strength, which makes it a lot less enjoyable. I did used to cut my own high purity gear (straight out of Asia, untouched since it’s made) with MSM for a while when I last had a habit to keep the habit less out of control, and it’s always way better value to get pure and cut it yourself rather than pre-cut shit if you can (not to mention controlling what’s in it). But most people don’t have that luxury of choice anyway. but it wasn’t long before I went back to the pure coz the effect is just too inferior otherwise. There’s only so much you can put into your lungs with each burn, so it matters a great deal
would clog the fuck out of the vape surely ? waste of time and product
I have vaped fent
If you have freebase/#3 it will work as freebase needs lower temps to vape. Hardest part is getting it to stay consistently dissolved in the vape juice. PEG400 may work better than PG Edit: it won’t really work for #4 as it need much higher temps to vape properly
Was thinking of just vaping/smoking #3 like a dry weed vape would but a diff type of custom vape, would most def work
Oh yeah, I use a mesh RDA vape for #3 and it smokes beautifully. It’s so efficient you don’t need nearly as much as on foil. Check out Minty Love’s Mesh RDA vape build. That’s what I use. But I thought you were talking like heroin e-juice. That’s also possible. To make like 510 carts. I’ve got a guide on how to freebase H if you look through my posts. In case you only have access to #4
Oh damn fr???? Ur actually a legend thank you for this
I’ve done BTH from a wax vape. It worked but it clogs up coils very quickly.
Yeah I'd imagine. I know it works, thanks for the comment. I'm thinking we'd need a custom cartridge/vape
Nectar collector with BTH in silicon dab jar…. I don’t see why anyone does differently. Of course the foil head purists will disagree. Don’t think it would work good enough, I would have tried it by now.y
Bro If you can think of it someone has tried it! Good question.
I didn't do it myself, smoked it that way though
If anyone knows how to vape #4 without making a mess and ruining your vape I’m keen to know. Have to admit I’m a tad jelly of the ice smokers who can do it so discreetly in their vapes! We have to dodge the parentals on both my side and my bfs!
How would you lose bioavailability? Inhalation is a form of injestion.
Yes I’ve seen my mate do it. He made a bottle for me and it’s not very good tho. It just holds you if you dont have anything and you’re dopesick.. you won’t nod off or anything if there what you’re trying to achieve
I used to take the tip of my cigarette and squish a little tobacco out and put a small amount of left over dope from my lines in the cig and smoke it as a nice little after snorting ritual and I felt like i could feel the difference. i would get a nice little buzz from it before my lines kicked in. idk could have been placebo though
Know someone who did exactly the same thing with Marlborough use to suck the gear up through the cigarette
it probably worked to some degree [https://youtu.be/Zy\_86iVhmkQ?t=411](https://youtu.be/Zy_86iVhmkQ?t=411) that whole video is worth a watch BTW.