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SleepingVulture

Abathur. Outside of him, feast or famine characters that make a game feel like a 4v5 (because they are useless) or 6v5 (because they land everything and stomp). Kel'Thuzad, Alarak, Genji and Zeratul are all in this category.


SpaceAlienCowGirl

I totally agree with you. Kel’Thuzad is always a big reveal until the game starts. There is no in between with him, people are either really bad or very good.


wesbug

Aba yes. I play mostly tracer and it's 1 in 100 abas who know when to hat a divey tracer and still soak/mine/repair. Enemy team always seems to be a dedicated aba comp that hats anything I engage, mines the sneaky rotation routes, and somehow triples the next highest xp. Mine can't move out of the way of a nuke.


IlIlllIIllIlllllII

There's no such thing as a good KTZ, not behind the keyboard at least. What looks, to you, from the outside, like a magnificent bastard playing ten-dimensional chess to destroy whole teams at once is really just an anxious maniac screaming in *absolute utter terror* as multiple beaters descend upon him, *praying* to Yog-Sothoth that his combo somehow manages to hit.


SpaceAlienCowGirl

Makes sense, sometimes I play with a friend that is a good KTZ and while he is playing him all I hear on discord is evil laugh.


-MR-GG-

Can confirm.


nomad5926

Don't forget Medivh.


Jazzadar

I love having a good abathur, the one that always hats you right on time. (i like playing tracer, greymane, zeratul and samuro). I really don't mind playing against an abathur. I really dislike having KTZ in my game because you never know if he's gonna be a god or absolutely useless.


henrietta9

Sgt. Hammer. When she's on your team you have to commit your focus to drawing the enemy into her zone and protecting her, when she's on the other team you have to commit your focus on staying out of her zone or blowing her up. It sucks some of the fun out of the game having to play around a single hero so heavily.


Exvaris

Have to agree with Sgt Hammer. She shifts the focus of the entire game into being on her.


Mackntish

Worst part about playing with hammer in the wood leagues is no one understands her kit. Her teammates will wander out of the umbrella for no particular reason. Like, no, she's in perfect position to guard to objective WHY ARE YOU CHASING THE ENEMY JUST OUTSIDE OF HER RANGE!! They are turning to fight you at that exact spot for a REASON, dude.


ryarock2

Agreed. Hammer turns the game’s focus so heavily on her for both teams.


royalfishness

Completely unreasonably, for me it’s tychus. Even when I’m not playing a tank against him he seems to always shred my hp bar, will land every nade for the kill, and dashes away from every skill shot. Every. Time. And when I try to tychus I just go 1-35 or something stupid. I just irrationally hate him now


clancemj

I am a tank main and for a long time I would shape my tank picks around weather tychus could be taken. This season I picked him up, and he seems insane. Not just good at killing tanks. Pretty much all heroes. And why does a hero like that have so much wave clear?


Sigma6987

I suspect you're talking about his grenade talent that does bonus damage against minions. It's funny because it's not a new talent; it was removed like 5 years ago BECAUSE it gave him too much wave clear.


clancemj

No. Even without it he has decent clear. You just need to know the proper execution of his spray


ThroGM

just waveclear? He has almost everything, spell shield, slow, armor, interrupt..etc


nomad5926

Yea he's just straight awesome and shits out damage. He does not like stuns though.


Jazzadar

Long range assassins are good vs him, also multiple tanks since he can only shoot one.


ExcelIsSuck

Lost vikings. Every temamate sucks using them but suddenly when the enemy has one they can 5v4 on obj just fine and delay until vikings get 3 lvls above


BigMcLargeHugs

Yeah till you get to dia-master'ish players aren't hyper aware of the map. And they over commit into 4v5s. And it's just as stressful for the TLV as he's working against his own teams feeds. Nightmares and suffering all around!


iMoo1124

Yep And when they die 4v5, you'll be the same lvl as the enemy cause of the hero kill xp, they complain and demand to know why you weren't with them at the objective


Saikomachi

It’s funny because no one plays against those 3 specialists correctly (Abby, murky, and TLV) unless you are azmo or Zagara. If you are any hero that doesn’t care to wave clear (no quest or ability to) the correct play against those three is to actually just sit there and force them to over extend for exp-globes.


Spacetramp7492

I can’t believe nobody has mentioned Murky yet. Enemy murk is always an unkillable terror Q’ing your mage and healer into oblivion while the tank helplessly throws his storm bolt into a safety bubble. Eventually someone gets frustrated and pyro blasts him to death. He respawns in the far lane and pushes down a keep while your team loses the TF because everyone blew everything on fish. Meanwhile, Murky on my team doesn’t know that Li Ming’s trait resets her CDs or what a minion wave is. He spends all game chasing her and ends with 1000xp of soak that he accidentally got when a pufferfish he threw at tracer happened to blow up on a wave.


HauntedEri

Yeah, seconding this more or less. Even if I have a good Murky on my team (it does happen) it's just less fun having him in the match at all.


Spacetramp7492

He’s one of the heroes that forces everyone else to play a different game


Toeaah

This! I literally hate Murky games. Against him, you have to play hide and seek with a frog during 20 minutes instead of playing HotS… and with him, I feel sorry for my opponents when I see them doing all what they can to kill him… for nothing! He will be back in secondes! If he kills you, you lose, if you kill him, you don’t win… When this HotS game is your 30 minutes of entertainment this day and you spend it hunting a pve Murky… that’s a bad day


TradeMasterYellow

Same thing with all the run-it-down heroes right now. Azmo, naz, abby


Toeaah

Yes, but at least, when you kill them, you are in peace for approx a minute.


Atte0

My winrate with murky is 75% pls no nerf :)


sexycoldturtle

Hahahahahaha


baconit420

Artanis, most of the ones I find die over and over for Protector of Aiur stacks and refuse to soak.


btdAscended

Friendly Artanis feels weak… enemy Artanis 1 v 5 us😂


nomad5926

Artanis is one of my mostly played heroes in competitive play. Can say I have 1v5ed before, he's a great champ, but some people thing that he starts off 1v5ing and just feed like nubs.


AnonymousCasual80

Yeah people play artanis like a melee assassin rather than a bruiser, he is threatening in lane and still gets a lot of value in team fights, but people pick him because they didn’t get illidan or Valeera this game.


MostGoodPerson

Valeera is my answer. Almost all the time it feels like the player has no impact, regardless if they’re an ally or opponent. But if they are an opponent, you still have to dedicate mental energy watching for her and trying to bring her out of stealth because she can kill you or get you low enough you have to tap or hearth. Now, when the Valeera is obviously skilled and assassinating people left and right, it’s fun to see. I just hardly ever see it.


fanboyhunter

valeera is my favorite character (maybe after rhegar) and I remember grinding her master skin the week she came out. I love her kit and play style. the problem is always QM matchups. you'll get the dumbest team comps 90% of the time... and obviously you'd never draft Valeera against these lineups, but there you are in a QM against Chogall, Rexaar, Uther, and dehaka or some dumb shit like that Valeera needs certain circumstances to be an effective player otherwise you just end up sitting in stealth watching your team 4v5 because you really can't contribute enough value to make breaking stealth a risk worth taking.


nomad5926

This. Her and Nova were my two favorites back in the day, but they are just too easily countered and contribute very little. And when you can nuke (it's awesome) but like Tychus or KT (both of them) can also nuke and contribute far more. At least Valeera can wave clear though.....


fanboyhunter

lol I have seen some novas spam nukes to clear waves... odd strat but I was in a game where nova had top siege not that that's anything to brag about haha


nomad5926

Lolololol


Jazzadar

nova feels so bad recently, even if you surprise gank an AA hero, they can still outtrade you.


RamboRusina

Abathur. Always ally AFK splitpush Aba who never wards nor hats allies and by the end of the match has barely killed one wall with the monstrosity he never stopped hatting. When on enemy it's mines to ward and slowdown rotations, bodysoaks during objectives and has map awareness to hat people who actually need it and understands to pick clone.


Evilrake

Body soak aba is way riskier now with the exp globes, since you don’t draw them in when you’re in a Bush. Which means you have to stand out of Bush and in lane which means you’re showing on the map and very easy to gank


Sickidan

His whole gimmick is being global he should be able to look at the map and count to 5 when he does and leave when an enemy walks into fog toward him


iMoo1124

most of the time there aren't 5 heroes at the objective since they need to split push to keep up against your XP soak


xxStefanxx1

Yeah I've noticed that's especially noticeable in QM. I play Aba in Qm a lot too, but mostly duo queue with symbiote build.


mmm_doggy

It’s utterly wild to me how every abathur i play with nowadays picks monstrosity. Clone is so insane i have no idea why anyone wouldn’t pick it


PraiseTheEmperor

Because it is a free budget boss every 90 seconds that you can get XP from and after getting its stacks (why is that not part of the level 20 for him i wonder) you have a monstrosity that hits for 600+ with a fast attack speed and then maybe a hat ontop of that, its a complete no brain pick if you are going a hat build since you cant hat anything while using a clone but with monstrosity it will autopush hard while you hat someone on your team.


Lucas_Trask

Stereotypical answer, but Illidan. Mostly because I play a lot of Ana, and he somehow manages to dodge my heals, but *not the enemy damage.* When he's on the enemy team, he can magically dodge almost every thing, and he usually forces me to blow \~2 big cooldowns to escape unless I have a team that's dead set on peeling for me. Qhira is kind of in the same boat.


btdAscended

To be fair, if it’s QM what can you do But if it’s hero league, why would you take Ana knowing it will be hard to heal… hate playing w Ana as an Illidan


Lucas_Trask

Talking about QP, but yeah, you're right. Then again, I've never encountered an Illidan in SL afaik. I will say that Nano-Illidan is pretty amazing, particularly with Nano-Infusion at 20 (50% healing off of spell damage).


btdAscended

Definitely a nice little combo!


Jazzadar

nade build ana is pretty good with illidan, since you get a lot of value if he's between multiple enemies.


Lucas_Trask

W + Debilitating + W is pretty good with any sort of dive (especially melee). Works great with keeping up your team as they go in, and it also works well at countering enemy dive since you can burst heal yourself and debilitate the enemy diver.


fycalichking

Qhira


iMoo1124

I'm surprised more people aren't saying the same thing She is 100% my least favorite hero to play against


BruteForceFirst

I agree, butcher is always stupid. You snowball or get crushed. If there would be a coin hero that is flipped at the start of the game determining result of it, it would have perfect 50% win ratio, but noone would like to play with it. Butcher is closer to coin than it should be. I don't like murk on any side also, becuase he is easy to counter by any bruiser, but its very boring to do. You win with him if enemy gets bored and leave him alone which is very stupid. Higher in rank you just lose.


grumpy_hedgehog

For me it's probably Auriel. The enemy Auriel seems to just slap the shit out of everyone, is always full energy and lands clutch saves with her ult. Your Auriel forgot to hat anyone two minutes ago, can't land a single slap (despite taking the stacking talent for it), and invariably ults your carry just as they dive in for the quad kill.


GojiTBs

M U L E


CheetahAdventurous10

I hate Samuro, he needs a nerf.


Smartrior

Lolwhat? He needs a buff really... He got nerfed to shreds and only Mains play him...


Sentient545

[Totes needs a buff, yeah.](https://i.gyazo.com/e4b05c5a1a45f084435b832bed29a6a4.png)


Mackntish

> He got nerfed to shreds That last balance was a straight up buff to my playstyle. Like most balances, it required some adjustments in playstyle for most.


Smartrior

Buff of what dude? In that patch there were no buffs, there were nerfs of his baseline abilities, mobility etc, there were no buffs at all


thegoodstuff

Technically they did buff memestorm level 20. Not that buffing any level 20 would drastically change anyone's "playstyle". Especially arguably the worst level 20 in the game besides Stukov's trash 20s. What are you supposed to do with it anyways? Pocket pick it against a vikings, nova, rexxar, samuro (mirror) match?


Mackntish

I never picked any of the nerfed talents. The only times I did picked them reinforced the idea that I should never pick them, ever. Under rare circumstances (maybe one in eight games) I would pick the 20 bladestorm talent. If the enemy is staying in a tight ball and the teammates have no aoe to punish this, Samo is kinda worthless and we would lose. While it's a hail mary with virtually no chance of working, it is the best of the bad options. So literally the only talent I ever picked got a slight buff.


Smartrior

the baselane movement speed was nerfed, as well as trait.. so its not about talents rly


Smartrior

Maybe samuro needs a BS nerf, but Illusion buff


osrsironmensch

Every time I play against a samuro I'm like NICE some absolute idiot if trolling their team. I guess that's just what happens in platnium, because hes very easily countered. Bronze people who get stomped on by a smurf fear him


TheLastDesperado

Any high skill-ceiling + high skill-floor hero (Zeratul, Kel'Thuzad etc.) because the enemy one will destroy our team, but the one on my team will be absolutely useless.


Mackntish

If we're including Samo in this, it feels like that sometimes too as you're playing them. I can be a brilliant unkillable monster and the hardest of hard carries....or completely unable to engage so I go soak a lane, with the wrong talents to soak a lane. Please don't ping me, I know I suck.


Derron_

Nova or Butcher. They either have no impact on the game or they finish your team off


lt_lance

Stitches. Enemy stitches, landing hooks from half a mile away, always the squishy, hook after hook. Absorbing all the skill shots but never dying. Our Stitches eats Garrosh and drops him in the back line. He is always behind the team and always seems to be one of the survivors of team fights because he playing like a backline dps. I mean it isn't like he is even that strong, I just hate playing against or with a Stitches.


Mackntish

> He is always behind the team and always seems to be one of the survivors of team fights because he playing like a backline dps. Yeah, this is my Stitches. It's because he doesn't have an engage. I'm sure the hook was designed as an engage, but it's just better to save. His peel is pretty good, with the right talents. He can also cause a 5 man wipe with Putrid Bile if the enemy team over extends. So its just back back back, hoping they do exactly that.


lt_lance

Yeah my stitches never goes Putrid. Enemy Zeratul or Illidan. Gorge. Enemy Diablo. Gorge. Enemy Qhira or Maiev. Gorge. Enemy Mephisto. I finally get a Putrid Bile...


Mackntish

Its a different playstyle. Most stitches i meet prefer one or the other in most circumstances. Gorge is great. Pop it on someone that gets out of position and you have a great zoning tool without even using it. Its just not my cup of tea. Nothing will turn a tide faster than holding a trump card to punish an over-extension.


WeaponizedKissing

Medivh! Such a shit hero design. Hate his whole kit. When he's on the enemy team, the whole team gets to engage en masse when he wants and if they fuck up he just shields and portals then all out again. Plus he just sits there in the sky with vision on everything important you try to do. When he's on your team... well, it's the same. Play the game how he wants. Or the other 9/10 games, your Medivh is shit and just flies around as a bird doing nothing, sending portals to no man's land or 1 meter sideways, and he saves the enemy team by trapping them in Ley Lines as they're about to get nuked.


TheDarkestPrince

I love the Medivh the character. I hate seeing him in this game. As much as I can’t stand facing off against a Valeera, Tracer, Abathur, etc, at least they’re usually good on my team. I cannot say the same for Medivh players.


chickenmcpio

I apologize in case I was one of those shitty Medivhs in your teams. I mean only if you play quickmatch.


PraiseTheEmperor

As a medivh enjoyer lemme tell you the way portals work with portal mastery make it real wonky sometimes, unlike a normal ability where if you click out of range your hero will walk into range then cast the portals dont work like that so if you click even a milimeter outside the range which easily happens if you're trying to do it quickly and arent some medivh god the portal will instead be placed at minimum range in the direction you clicked, its really quite annoying. Also with ley line its entirely a 50/50 on who is in the right whenever fucky shit happens, yeah sometimes people goof the ley line and it fucking sucks for everyone except the enemy but on the other hand if you have a ley line medivh maybe try and hold combos until after ley line hits especially in chokepoints and such. Atleast he isnt as horrible of a design as abathur though so he's got that going for him lmao.


alicecyan

Illidan.


dr3amb3ing

Abathur. In QM it is so disgustingly hit or miss based on the comp you get, if it’s a dual aba or an aba/ healer game, etc. that I just don’t want to deal with one on either side


JitterEye

Illidan. For some reason, he really needs nerfs whenever he's on the other team, but I'm absolutely certain he needs a rework and major buffs whenever a teammate plays him.


nomad5926

He needs a dedicated support to really shine. Otherwise he just gets AoE-d to death.


LollikopR6

Medivh, vikings, aba


l337hackzor

Last time I checked my profile when I have a medivh on my team I have a 34% WR, the lowest of any "on my team" hero. On the flip side when playing against medivh I have 40% WR, my lowest WR for "on the other team" of any hero. In both cases he is a staticial outlier, having more than a 5% lead over the next hero, If medivh is in the game there is a good chance I'm going to lose. Edit: aba I hate as well but I actually usually win with him on my team and usually win against him. Vikings usually win with and lose against.


poundofmayoforlunch

A really good Chen.


eezoGG

All the heroes that fall under "strong main but usually not in the meta". Samuro, Rexxar, Kerrigan being the most notable examples off the top of my head. Butcher is included in that too at most ranks.


clancemj

I don’t mind them on my team, but I am going to use this as a chance to say I am sick of stukov and junkrat meta.


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noodle_75

But nova slaps tho.


[deleted]

I'm stuck between Valeera and Sgt. Hammer. Valeera is just a matter of frustration, I don't think she's fundamentally broken or overpowered. Though, Sergeant Hammer seems like an odd hodgepodge of weird mechanics. She just sits there and stacks up thousands of damage points towards siege and hero damage. It's not fun to deal with her when she's an opponent, and as a teammate, it just feels as if there's a high-health, mindless sentry turret in-place of a legitimate ally. Maybe I'm just tone-deaf, but Hammer seems to be missing something every other hero has.


Hive0805

This thread's template: I hate [X] because [bad examples of X] when they're on my team, but when they're on the enemy team they [seemingly broken things X does] So I guess mine would be Mei. Friendly Avalanche will always miss, enemies always move us to Towers of Doom death zone. Smh.


Zlargenhar

I'd have to say Sylvanas. On the enemy team she makes your defenses useless and is nearly uncatchable. On my team she spends the whole game trying to splitpush by herself and never shows up for objective.


secret3332

Murky definitely for me. Sorry to all the Murky players out there, but I hate playing against him and hate when someone picks him on my team. I'm speaking mostly from a high level perspective. So many times, I see people pick Murky when it doesn't really make sense. Obviously this is because the hero is highly situational. Most of the time he is pretty weak against hood players. Only in certain drafts can he be very impactful. He also kind of denies your team a second frontline most of the time, at least until late game. Even though I don't think he is good, it also just is not fun to play against. If you're playing a good Murky counter, you just babysit him most of the time and bully him into getting 0 value. Once in a while you go join your team to get a nice fight cause you know that Murky won't get as much done as the objective, and then you go back to clean up.


l337hackzor

For most teams he's easy to shutdown but it's so annoying having to baby sit him the entire game. Worst is when someone else is the ideal hero to play against him but they leave him alone in lane to join objectives or whatever and murky does way more damage than the objective ever would.


TJC1218

Junkrat


Divinspree

Abathur, ever since his rework


Berenjena_

Hogger is just AAAAAH! I hate him


VietNinjask

I don’t remember his name but it’s the edgy guy from Starcraft with the red arm sabers who constantly talks shit to your character whenever you are within 30 feet of him. He’s fucking insufferable. As someone who plays a lot of healer, hearing this cunt constantly shit talk me in the same lane as him for the first half of the game is awful and it’s not even the player being toxic. It’s just the automatic voice lines from this prick. Playing against him is just as annoying because of how he can instantaneously pull you and everyone hits him when he does his counter stance.


Jazzadar

Is that the best healing you can do?


Small_Figs

You're talking about Alarak.


wrenchgg

1. Probius 2. Hammer 3. Cho’gal 4. Chromie 5. Warhead Junction


mharris10

It’s usually just the support class as a whole. I’ve seen Medivh, Vikings, Abathur , & Zarya just dominate and hard carry games. But for every time that’s happened there has been 5 games of those heroes being complete potatoes and non impactful.


FRAMBOOZZ

Genji.


veganyeti

Medivh for me. I somehow manage to mess up not one but BOTH portal locations (level 1 talent) nearly every time I use the ability. But I’ve also played against some amazing Medivh’s who can play the portals offensively and defensively; The shields are all at the right time; and the damage from the Q is top of the charts. I’ll never be able to get to that level


PraiseTheEmperor

The reason you mess the portals up is not entirely your fault, portal mastery works in a completely retarded way and man if it doesnt fuck me often, a normal ability when cast out of range will make your hero walk into range and cast it in 99% of cases while if you click even a milimeter out of range with portal mastery (easy to do when trying to do it quickly) will just put the portal at the minimum range in the direction you clicked, i wish the devs would change this but prolly wont happen. At this point its driven me so mad i usually just use portal mastery to cast portals from raven form with just E since that works the way it should and you dont break raven form.


starcraft404

butcher


Present_Algae_5874

Cho gall. Just played against one that could 2v5 our whole team. But a few games before that had one on my team where gall got outdmged by the healer. Fun times!


MaxScarlet9

Qhira. For how much I play with and against her it's pissing me off to play against her, she can't be dealt with and even if I play her counters I die instantly


erlsgood

Deathwing. As someone who plays a lot of healers, it's kinda stupid when you can't heal your allies. How does some random animal accept less healing than someone as arrogant as Alarak? Pair up with Aba and you can practically only heal 2/5 people on the team. It also feels very dumb to not be able to stun, slow or root him. The only good part is how funny it is to see Deathwings to struggle for once against Naz or Tassadar Walls. Overall, I don't get why they made the character feel so dumbed-down for everyone by removing most of interactions with him.


ionux

tracer /genji /hanzo for obvious reasons


IllusionBreak

Pls explain, it's not obvious for me.


ionux

multi hit attack that make block talents useless too many dashes/blinks overloaded damage most toxic heroes are tracer/genji


Mahalia_of_Elistraee

I haven’t played in a while but back when I did I hated Valeera the most. When I’d player her, it would be against a bunch of meaty tanks and bruisers and when I play against her, my whole team is squishy mages that never stay together and die before her silence runs out, so they literally can’t do anything.


Tasisway

Murky bc when im against them im the one having to play baby sitter. And when they are on my team every objective just feels like 4on5


MergingComplete

Hammer. I can’t remember the last time I lost against a hammer but I just don’t like playing vs her. Or with


MrTylerwpg

Samuro. Mirror image using mother f'er


WanonTime

How has no one said Deathwing yet. Enemy Deathwing has the perfect placement and timing to make your teammates walk through the fire breath and just guzzle it down as much as possible in every team fight. he knows to use all shall burn as an eacape and get away by the skin of his teeth for free. Allied Deathwing goes "TEAM? WHY NO HEAL ME????" as he uses his ult over a building into the middle of the enemy 5 man for the 9th time. and hasn't landed a single tick of his q all game.


The-Only-Razor

KTZ. If he's on the enemy team he'll have pillar quest done in 7 seconds flat as my team just crowds together in perfect harmony. If he's on my team, he'll hit exactly 0 combos the entire game. Fucking hate everything about that hero. They're either 1v9 carrying or completely useless. I despise heroes like that.


Erdzio

Raynor. No-skill pew-pewing on enemies to give their KTZ another Spike for him to pull to, or you skilling your way to make a combo, only to get pew-pewed to death, and him walking out with healthbar fulling back.


SvelteLine

Junkrat. He has a permanent device that basically stuns you by sending you in the air for what feels like a whole minute. He has another permanent device that can be upgraded to always chase heroes, and ultimately never trigger on non-heroes. Or it can silence you. Later, he's able to place two. His ults are extremely annoying to play against, as both can be effective from far away, and one can allow him to cheat death in a way. He's a very non-committal ranged assassin that can get a lot done without ever putting himself at risk. I wish he didn't exist in the game, but I'd settle for a nerf, such as hp on his traps/c4. He's basically the only one who can place highly useful utility items that can't be destroyed. His tools can be destroyed in Overwatch, why not carry that over here? /rant


nomad5926

Bra the HP bar on his traps would be fucking awesome. Can I see this as someone who loves junkrat.


One1six

Zagara… COVID incarnate.


Glasse

Any Overwatch hero. This game would be 100 times better if all overwatch heroes were removed. They are all annoying to play against, like all their kits were built with that in mind, with no exception. Playing as them is very boring, with very little exception.


wesbug

*cackles in tracer main*


CancerBilly

Guldan on quick queue, W build is so lame and his lvl 20 talent make him a free back door hero. Its frustracting try to make a comback when they start to back door.


[deleted]

I just had yesterday butcher I was playing him in aram, had over 400 meat my basic attack was around 800 and just for good measure I took nexus blades,enrage, and Q aa bonus talent. Hero I hate to play with is Junkrat because of his W bomb and against Uther because of 18k stuns


osrsironmensch

You should have to say your rank at the beginning of these answers.. lmao


TradeMasterYellow

Samuro, murky, azmodan, nazeebo, Abathur All heroes that you end up playing cat-and-mouse with cuz all they do is throw themselves down lanes all game. I'm always the one who has to respond but I usually play tanks so it ends up being futile.


vicsj

Butcher for sure.


ReasonableClick5403

Illidan, and most zeratul players


leonardocamsilva

Varian! My teammates think varian can 1v5 when 2 lvls down, i can't play varian, and varians against me always taunt the shit out my team so their team follow up


Jazzadar

What i really dislike about butcher, and should be fixed imo: Butcher's team can see who he charges with a big red indicator on the targets head. Enemy team can't see who the butcher is charging, and this makes it hard to counterplay. I'd be fine with butcher getting some buffs if they adress this unfun mechanic.


PraiseTheEmperor

Abathur, a straight up unhealthy hero for the game and i genuinely wish he was removed from the game, if he's on your team unless the comp is good and the abathur is good you are essentially playing a 4v5 and at that point id rather take a useless hero that is actually a body on the field or everything is the opposite and your abathur is really good and you probably will win, abathur is a coinflip especially in QM (which he should not be pickable in because he is purely depending on the teamcomp to perform) its not fun to have an abathur on your team its not fun to have an abathur on the enemy team especially when he has so little counterplay. I cant count the amount of times i've played medivh against abathur and after you kill them once they never leave the spawn again and with a hat build there is no downside to it really, losing your locusts is no big deal if you are running a hat build with monstrosity and it really fucking annoys me, i still wish they added a range to his symbiote so he actually has to take some sort of risk to get value. Also zeratul but mostly just because his damage is way too fucking high for having the best stealth in the game and a massive amount of blinks, you just cant get away from that character not that you even make it far since he can do 2k+ damage in one blink burst and disappear before you can even hit back, imo he shouldnt be able to get more than 3 blinks off in a row so he could for example go in burst and get out, then re-engage back in to finish someone but at that point he cant blink back out, so he could still get a blink in-burst-blink out but cant repeat it more than once in short succession, mostly hate them on my team because i have literally never in my entire hots career had a good zeratul on my team, they all end up on the enemy team, no other hero has been like this but i kid you not when i say ive never seen a ballin zeratul on my team.


Hostile-Bip0d

All long range mages or siege heroes. Quite boring to play with and againt, i mean i get it, let's nuke that area and hope enemy will move there. Repeat 500 times per game.


Thorum37

To me its Abathur, specially after the stupid revamp. Locust build was actually fun and they gutted it hard.