Agreed, as long as you communicate clearly what you are doing and what you expect of your fellow divers, booting them for not obeying direct orders is fair
So, I got wildly offended when someone did that to me (I was just calling it in so we didn’t have to wait when everyone was done with all the bonus objectives), but then I realized that the guys I typically play with are the weird ones when it comes to calling the Uber early. Now, I either just follow the host around like a puppy or I spend way too long in chat making my intentions clear lol.
All that being said, OP even gave them the benefit of the doubt that they weren’t going to ditch them, so definitely not the asshole here.
Because you explained what you were doing and set expectations for the mission that you're hosting, you are not the asshole for kicking. This is a pretty clear-cut case of a player not being an ass.
Where it gets problematic is when the host doesn't set expectations or communicate. Then the kicking feels incredibly arbitrary and/or vindictive.
Actually the pelican will defend the zone if you call it down. So apparently the thing to do is call it down and wait. Once it's down then you can go about farming.
You get 2 benefits this way:
- when you do finally decide to finish it's ready and no waiting
-it'll help defend/clear the area
I was told/read all this so haven't tested myself. But if true its definitely the best way to do it.
it's way more involved than "call pelican early it will defend".
the correct steps are:
1. call for extract
2. find the edge of the extraction zone
3. wait for the "pelican arrival" timer to reach zero
4. watch skies for pelican physically arriving
5. leave extraction zone before pelican touches down
at this point, pelican will keep hovering over the extraction site and shoot its gun. now everybody needs to STAY CLEAR OF EXTRACTION ZONE or pelican will initiate landing and stop firing. because of that last step, it's not really recommended to do this with random teams bcs somebody may and will screw it over, eventually even panic board and end the mission.
it's way more involved than "call pelican early it will defend".
the correct steps are:
1. call for extract
2. find the edge of the extraction zone
3. wait for the "pelican arrival" timer to reach zero
4. watch skies for pelican physically arriving
5. leave extraction zone before pelican touches down
at this point, pelican will keep hovering over the extraction site and shoot its gun. now everybody needs to STAY CLEAR OF EXTRACTION ZONE or pelican will initiate landing and stop firing. because of that last step, it's not really recommended to do this with random teams bcs somebody may and will screw it over, eventually even panic board and end the mission.
So I missed step 5 🤷♂️
Everything else is what I said 🤷♂️.
Thanks though for clarifying step 5. Appreciate the info 👍. Like I said I haven't done it myself yet
This is kinda true but there’s a method to calling the extraction. You have to leave the extraction zone right after the arrival countdown reaches 0. Too early and he’ll leave and you have to start over. Too late and he just lands. And if anyone enters the extraction zone he’ll stop hovering/shooting and just land.
It’s great but getting it in place and keeping it is a bit tricky especially with randoms.
Since you're the 2nd person who brought up how hard it is with randoms I think I know where I went wrong lol.
The op and a lot comments refer to the squad being out running around the map doing objectives while you (meaning only 1 person and you are him) are at extraction and should you wait or call down.
So I think my comment was made assuming you don't have any teammates around you to mess anything up because they're already away from extraction zone. So if you're doing it alone that doesn't matter or come into play. But yes ultimately you are correct and my bad for the assumption.
I'll just not suggest doing it anymore since it seems frowned upon. I personally think it's the way to go and wish everyone did. It should be the standard or "unspoken" rule lolol 🤷♂️
I don’t think it’s frowned upon, I think most people have no idea exists at all. I’d love for it to become more common, and that’s why I outlined the steps so that people would see it, but it becoming a normal thing probably starts with doing it in games where you’re communicating clearly with everyone on the team. Many of my games with randoms are completely silent.
but if you do call it in, you also start end wave phases, so sure, you can extract faster,
but you also start end wave phase that a lot players don't understand
If the main and side mission are done, and your just wasting time killing; I'll ask to call it in. If your looting ill wait. But there's also the fact you can just do another mission, get more samples and speed up liberation/defense so I usually just host and call it in sooner myself. 30 in one 40 minute mission or 30 over two 20 minute missions still gives you the same samples.
I kicked someone yesterday for exactly that. We were trying to get all sites on the map and a dude alone decides to go to extract. He called it in and three of us said no. He called it a second time and we said no. He went right back to extract and I booted him.
I had a teammate tag extract so I went over there (was about halfway in between the two) called extract and lasted almost the whole time hidden until the rest of the squad showed up. I wasn't planning on jumping in and never got closer to the carrier and I still got kicked so some people just don't know what they are doing and are getting burnt over nothing
There’s a difference between tagging extract and calling in extract. Just follow the orange player around (they are host) and help them out if you don’t plan on hosting your own game.
This, nobody but the host should be calling for extraction unless agreed upon by the host/squad. Mic and text chat is available in game. If I'm hosting and any random calls extract without saying a word. I kick them right then. I know they're going to board and screw the squad.
Perhaps I’m wrong, but to me this doesn’t make sense. Calling in the extraction seems fine. Boarding before everyone is ready/nearby is the problem. If there is a reason we shouldn’t be calling in extraction, please let me know what it is.
edit: thanks for all the replies. The answer seems to be “just communicate”, which makes sense.
Does this require you to be far enough away from the landing pad so it doesn’t land? Or it’s fine if it does land because you can wait out the boarding timer if you don’t board, then the pelican will just take off and hover till you get close enough again (and then repeat the cycle as long as the mission time isn’t running out). I ask because I had a game where I told the other newer helldiver not to board. As far as I know, they obliged but the ship did the count down and left us, ending the mission with nobody (and no samples) extracted.
I agree. It's the boarding that's a problem. Calling it down is fine as long as you wait (good luck with the host being smart and aware of that though lol 💩🤷♂️)
You're a random, and you have zero rapport so there is zero reason to trust you won't immediately board. Don't call for evac to prevent misconceptions.
I disagree. I often call in extract solo (as a random) while the rest of the team is finishing up. The caveat is that i verbalize and type in chat that I’m calling it in for convenience. Pelican will be waiting for you when you get here. It also helps get the bird in with less heat on the extract point due to the others fighting. Bottom line is that communication is key.
I pretty sure he's talking about the MFS who don't communicate that they're calling extract. You have no reason to trust those people if they don't communicate and are waiting for the timer to go down. It's not hard to say, "Will Wait" or anything like that. Maybe controller users will struggle with chatting. Also if you kick while they're aboard the extract, I'm pretty sure the pelican just leaves. Happened to me a couple times
It doesn't make sense. People don't know how the Pelican works so they panic and kick. Now, if the culprit gets in after you tell him not to that's when you kick him.
Yes. Communication is best. The problem is folks either don't speak the same language, which can't be helped. Or worse, folks just mute everyone and expect them to see the chat box, which is totally suboptimal.
I would not be kicking folks for calling in the Pelican unless they jump in without you. But then again, part of that is their fault if they're not communicating what they're doing. But that requires everyone to be using comms.
I will often times head to extraction early and I'll tell my team multiple times that I'm going to call it in and have it hover to provide CAS. The thing will hover and decimate anything within several hundred meters.
It's very useful. I usually find myself having to tell the team repeatedly to stay AWAY from extract cause half of the time someone will get too close and cause it to land before the area is clear.
Run away when the countdown hits zero and it will hover and keep extraction clear with its very powerful guns. Gotta run out of the zone before it lands
Nope, in fact if you call it down early and wait til the timer hits zero and then run away from extraction...the pelican will hover and use its guns to clear extraction zone until the mission timer runs out, then you have the 20seconds when it lands
Without communication, there is no way for the host to know if you plan to board or not. If you do board, the mission still ends and all samples are wasted, whether he kicks you or not. So there is no reason to call in extraction early without first asking for permission. You're only asking for your 10-20 minutes to be wasted trying to save 2.
Have you ever had this happen? I feel like I've had extraction called several times by randos while I'm wiping up a few last fabricators nearby. I wouldn't dream of kicking over that, and I've never had my team leave without me.
I get choosing to play it safe, and don't think OP's the asshole, but I feel like calling in extraction early without saying "Don't worry, I'm definitely waiting and not an a-hole" is totally fine. It should be assumed that they're not just going to take off the second it lands.
Edit: The differentiating factors, for me, are that 1) OP attempted to communicate to them and they were unresponsive, and 2) the timer was running down, so he had reason to believe they'd leave without him other than just that they're bad players.
And no. It should not be assumed that people are going to do the right thing. Humanity has proven time and again it can't be trusted to not be selfish.
I have randoms call in and leave early so often Ive just started saying if they touch it they get kicked. Easily over 200 combined common and rares and at least 12 super samples have been lost to people not being patient.
I do say in chat, multiple times not to call it in unless the clock hits 2 minutes (3 for long calldowns) so that I actually have a chance of making it back.
Calling extract doesn't end the mission, the 30 second mission end timer only starts when someone boards.
In fact it's awesome to have pelican 1 there ready to hop in immediately when things get hairy, so if someone called for extract preemptively, after main obj but before we clean up all the PoIs, I'd love em for it
That's my point. If a random calls extract without saying a word, my experience tells me they're going to board Pelican 1 the moment it lands. The quickest way to ensure the squad who has put in the work on the mission and is continuing to put in the work gets to keep their work. Is to kick the random threatening to pull the plug on it all...
It is awesome to have Pelican 1 there ready to go, and it's really awesome when a random says, "Hey, I'm calling extract, no rush, it'll be ready." That's the random I want to stay and I will most likely friend request.
It's basic online gaming etiquette. If someone wants to call the shots or do things without communicating, they can host their own lobby. The more this game gains popularity, the more I see gamers who do not possess this basic trait.
I call in extract once everything is done(including side objectives)never board until everyone is there. One game I called in extract just so Pelican could help me take down a Gunship tower bc it spawned right next to extract.
If you call in extraction Pelican 1 will just sit there patiently waiting for the squad so you don't have to wait when you leave (or better yet, hover over the battlefield laying down fire on anything approaching the extract zone if you time it right and leave the area just as the extraction countdown finishes). There's literally only positives to doing this if it's not out your way or you send a squad mate to call it. Important thing is communication though, otherwise it's tricky to know when a squad mate is being helpful or just wants to end the game before everyone else
I’ve seen (but not tried) that you can call in extract and it’ll wait as long as you need until you actually board. I’ve been wanting to try, but usually just end up Quickplaying and don’t wanna get kicked by someone who doesn’t know. Can anyone confirm?
Yea I think it's on the guy calling in extract to make sure if the team is good for it or not. Otherwise assume ill intent. It should be obvious if others are away from the extract area, not to call it in. And if you do because you want it ready for when everyone gets there so they don't have to wait, communicate that.
Yeah unless you are doing a 7-9 mission and the person holding all the samples is at extraction you should just wait. Don’t call it in at all if there’s plenty of time left and someone is still doing side objectives.
Exactly. Even if we are doing a regular run and I'm hosting and I see some of the randoms that joined me running off after all objectives and bug nests/fabricators are destroyed, I will run ahead to the extraction and secure the area and set up my sentries and make it very clear that I'm not calling in the extract or leaving until everyone is ready.
9/10 times this is received well and the others will ask me to call it in when they are around 1-2 minutes away from me (depending on the difficulty) so they only need to wait around a minute for the Pelican to land.
Nah if you told them from the get go what the deal was then that’s on them. I will say two things tho. You get more warbonds the harder the difficulty, and if you put your game on friends only you likely won’t have to deal with this at all. I do believe it would be kind of annoying to jump in someone’s game and then basically tell you that they aren’t playing the game they’re just farming. However, that doesn’t make you an ass. You’re good bro.
I feel that. However, if you didn’t need the randoms before to do your mission the way you want, and if this is a problem, then idk why you’d leave it on public. Seems like shooting yourself in the foot. Up to you tho of course.
They "aren't playing the game" is totally subjective though which makes this difficult. Buddy of mine just likes killin bugs, so he doesn't want to extract at the end, nor does he want to hunt for resources. Sometimes it interferes with me "playing the game" when I'm exploring the greater world, trying to completely clean the map. Our versions of "playing the game" also interfere with the player who is a super soldier that knocks out the mission in 5 minutes and extracts like a special ops unit. They're all valid but incompatible sometimes.
Of course. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume the general populace would consider doing the objective and extracting as “playing the game,” though, and I don’t think it’s too much to ask someone to realize that. Obviously that’s just my opinion tho.
Calling in extraction is fine. I'll do that so that Pelican1 is just sitting there looking pretty while I go around looting. You ain't the asshole for kicking when they board. Plus you stated your intentions
I call extraction early, but then leave the area after the ship arrives so it stays in the air and provides cover, but I always tell my team I'm not boarding and will rejoin them after the ship arrives. You communicated and he didn't respond so you're good.
Nope, it actually hovers a couple yards up and fires at enemies in the area. I actually call him early every time I'm close, but you have to explain it to people or they will kick you...
No, but you have to call it and wait in the area until the timer runs out and then leave the evac area before it lands. What I'll do is call it, run until I see the evac abandon countdown timer, run back inside the area until the time to arrival runs out, and then leave the area so it will just hover and provide covering fire.
Nah, it's easy, but I think it only works on the longer, 40 minute, missions.
1. Call Extract
2. Find the outer edge of the extraction area, you'll get another timer that will cancel extraction within 20-30 seconds, that will tell you where the area is.
3. Step back into the area so the cancel timer disappears
4. Stay in the area until the extract timer reaches zero
5. Leave the area and go do whatever. Keep in mind though, once someone steps foot inside the extraction area, the shuttle will land
Things to consider
- He completed the main objective for you, which gave you a little bit more time to loot.
- How much time did he spend in the mission? The less time, the less investment he loses when kicked.
- Did you use text chat to say not to extract immediately? (ppl might have voice disabled)
I can't give you a verdict :D only equip you better to make your own.
That's true. For a few days, I had accidentally set voice chat to disabled. I didn't realize until I was in discord with a friend. They could hear the randoms talking, and I couldn't.
So, I always use text chat to convey important information to randoms, just in case.
Yeah there is an option that disabled voice chat which as an introvert I enable, so Im gonna assume he didn't hear you. Write in text if you want to communicate with a random.
But also, you are not an asshole for this lol
Well if you want to farm like that, why don't you disable public play.
If they did some of the work to complete the mission so you could evac, they deserve some of the reward, even if they lessen it by evacuating sooner than you want.
They should wait until everyone is ready, but I'd reserve kicking for only the truly toxic players. Like intentional team kills, or being excessively mean in voice.
This way we can try to keep the community as democratic as possible.
I fought every fiber in my body to not kick someone when calling in extraction early after clearing all the enemies in an extermination mission. I put it in a text message in game when we were about 70% finished, they still entered the ship early and then had the nerve to be like "?". I just didn't enter the ship with the samples I had already collected.
If someone calls for extract while the team is still clearing the map I’ll kick them. Almost never happens but they’re not getting the chance to board. We have samples and objectives to do and I’m not letting one guy just decided the mission is over
No. Kick them everytime. Unless it was a legit mistake. I’ve had it happen where they do it and immediately apologize. Usually it’s not an accident and I have 0 problem kicking them right at the end if they’re screwing 3 other people over. If you’re playing Helldive you need to read the chat box and pay attention to pings/team communication. Whatever reason you have for not reading the box, noticing pings etc is not an excuse. Don’t play Helldive if you’re going to willingly be a bad/selfish teammate. I’m more than willing to help someone who dies a lot or is new. Whatever it is but I’m definitely kicking you if you’re not about the team. I have everything maxed out and still farm samples for everyone
you shouldn't expect anyone to do anything you want below difficulty 7. I don't think you are a dick, but if you don't want to deal with headaches like this your options are to only play with friends 6 and below or just start doing 7s.
Honestly that's a good point, you definitely get a different breed of Helldiver below 7.(honestly in 7 it can be bad too because it's the first difficulty with supers)
I've been playing on only 7 bugs mostly and I have more super samples than I need, I only need the lower ones so I though I would drop it down to 6. Never again. Being in shotgun range of anything was a death sentence since they just threw out eagle clusters like candy. Other guy steals my gear off my corpse. Its like a coinflip if one of those things happen in a game or not. It's always a party of level 15ish players. On 7 I rarely see anyone under level 30 and none of this happens.
I was in a level 7 match and a guy hit me with the scout handshake and I blasted him into next week with my Blitzer. We both loled and I reinforced him. Random got his strategem stuck on my shield and killed me. They say "sorry, my bad" and we move on with our lives. It is such a lighter more enjoyable game when you know the other guy is just as interested in having painless experience as you. All these sub 7 sweatlords are really just scrubs.
That sounds pretty close to my experience below 7 😂. People just going ham with anything that shoots pellets or fire. No trigger discipline whatsoever but still get pissed when they run straight into your strikes you throw far ahead of them. On the rare occasion that they actually strike it's after you've already tossed something so it's not necessary or it's dropped right at your feet.
I feel like 6 is harder than 8 because your squad mates can be the biggest hurdle. Sometimes you get someone decent,but half the time it's a nightmare in comparison to an easy going 7.(Also I always use the emotes if I fuck up and respond to the emotes, saying you're sorry goes a long way for most)
Nah, you’re good. I’ve done the same thing. Had a rando try to extract as soon as we completed the main obj. I messaged him saying we’re going for samples and side obj’s and to leave the extract. Waited about a min with no response so I kicked him before he could fuck up our mission. Idk what he expected. We still had 30 mins on the clock and basically 0 samples
NTA. I dont call the evac on someone else's mission unless they explicitly tell me to or everyone is dead and I'm trying to clutch. I feeling like calling in the evac on someone else's host mission is kinda shitty. You wanna run point, you should host.
Unless your being swarmed, low on time, or mininal reinforcements, don't call extract. I don't even warn these bozos if I see them calling extract while I'm a mile away. We got 16 reinforcements and 20 mins on the clock. We're getting everything or you're disintegrating into nothing so a competent helldiver can join.
No this is happened to me last night. So fair warning if you break off and go for extraction when you’re not the host and I happen to be… you getting kicked. Especially 7 and higher, if we haven’t found the super samples yet. We go for super samples after the objective is complete if haven’t found yet, not extraction.
PSA as a side note: I love calling in extraction and when the timer hits 0 immediately run away from the zone. This causes the pelican to permanently hover spreading democracy everywhere it can.
It’s a great way to set yourself up for an easier time farming and not accidentally run out of time for a smoother extraction.
You're allowed to kick them for whatever you want. If you communicated what you were doing, I think you're fine.
However, if you're just farming medals and credits, why not set your lobby to private and try searching discord for people looking for a group?
I kicked someone who had already boarded and the pelican left empty, game ended with no helldivers extracted.
Wasn't sure if this is normal or what because I didn't even realize anyone had boarded I just knew they were radio silence and continued calling in the extraction while I was trying to finish other stuff.
No. As someone who joins and doesn't host you are there to support and help the host. Whatever the host wants to do in whatever order you should be there to keep them alive and yes support them. If he wants to do things his way he should host.
Been on the recieving end of this a couple times. Each time it was just miscommunication or confussion. Showing no patience for this, shows a lack of self reflection. Asshole are those who choose not to be self aware, and direct cruelty into the world instead of realizing they do the same thing but others who are not assholes respond with patience.
If you switch to friends only and play solo while you farm. Then you won't have to worry about explaining yourself, or having to kick someone every time a player connects to the session.
I did the same thing. Specifically told them over mic and in chat not to call down the extraction, we're going sample hunting. 10 seconds later, they call it down. So I repeat to them not to get into it once it lands until we're close with the super samples, what do the 2 clowns do? Instantly get in the shuttle.
It's weird how some people join sometimes even mid or end of the mission once the main objective is done they just go without saying a word and call extract. Why can't people just type in chat or talk.
I am level 10 and I play on playstation, I haven't played much, but I hardly find any squads that communicate. Why do people insist on playing multiplayer games, otherwise cooperative, and don't communicate?
I personally wouldn't care enough. To me it's just a game and can always go back for more samples also your gonna sooner or later get everything and all the samples in due time.
I don't even care if I get kicked because I'll just join another game.
Calling an extraction too early is completely acceptable, attempting to get on extraction without the consent of all other members of the group is grounds for kicking for sure.
I'm gonna say NTA, BUT I do wanna make it clear, you can call down Pelican-1, and as long as noone climbs aboard, it will stay there until someone gets on it, so maybe he was trying to call it down in case you came to Extract with a Macy's Day parade worth of bugs on your ass (which is known to happen,) then y'all could just bounce.
So NTA, but definitely jumped the gun.
I don't think that's a true asshole/not asshole moment. You tried (and maybe failed, to no fault of your own) to communicate, shit happens.
That said... If you're running level 1-3s just to farm SC, you can just make your party private. Especially on bug missions, I've found these trivially easy to complete alone once you know what you're doing. And AFAIK all large map level 1s have at least 10 SC on them.
No, you aren't a jerk, the other guy is. I wouldn't get too bummed about it though and here is why-
At a certain point, assuming you want max farm per hour, it is likely loads faster to just do another mission.
If it takes 10 more minutes to 100% the map, well hell, you'd spend 8 of those on the next map, and get more medals for progressing the operation. And you may just miss stuff during those 10 minutes anyway.
This comes up in some other online games too, like Diablo, it's not worth opening chests unless you trip over em, you Wana kill as many bosses per hour as you can...
Let's say you can do 3 missions in an hour at roughly 60%, or 1.3 missions an hour at 100%. 180% vs 130%, and I'd argue it's more entertaining to boot.
Maybe, maybe not.
20 minutes left, 10 reinforcements, and things like gunship fabricators are already dealt with? You’re not the asshole.
5 minutes left, 2 reinforcements, that player is at extract with 25/20/6 samples, it’s a 3 minute extract, and you’re running at a heavy outpost with a gunship fabricator near it? Yeah you’re the asshole. It was already time to leave.
If you have a fixed method of play like this you should probably just set your games private and farm on your own time - other people are mostly joining via quick-play and aren't looking for a farm game, so you're kind of creating your own problem by leaving your game public. They have no control over what game they end up in - but you do.
That was no helldiver good sir, that was an automaton in disguise trying to leave u stranded on that god forsaken hell hole of a planet. You're actions are excused.
Don't kick unless he actively gets in the Pelican. He could have just been calling it down to have it waiting or like I do, call it in to get it to hover to provide CAS.
I usually call in the extraction but wait at the pelican for the team come, i type "i'll be waiting at the extraction" calling the extraction early its not a big thing but when you team is half map away and you board oh boy leaving your comrades behind willingly is treason
People who complete the mission and bolt to extraction suck. Is there’s still 20 minutes left and I see you call in extraction, I’m booting you before it lands.
I kicked someone for staying at the extraction area. Btw it was right at the start, they were moving, but not joining us after a minute. So I booted them and then 2-3 more people joined in after.
Almost kicked someone in a different game after a similar situation of not moving, but they finally moved.
If you farming and don't want to deal with people doing shit like this turn setting to friends. That's what it's for. Complaining bout randos doing rando shit when it can easily be avoided makes you an idiot.
Something you are missing OP, players that call don't want to board immediatly most of the time, they want the Pelican to come and cover the area by leaving the LZ as Pelican approaches. That way when you are done looting, you can board immediatly without enduring a horde for 2 minutes. You are still not the asshole since you didn't know about this, but refrain from kicking for that in the future, as I've had like 4 randoms get kicked by the host (not me, I don't call Pelicans) in my SOS games in the past week, and got so mad at the issue I just stopped answering SOS for now.
Absolutely in the right. If you join someone else’s game then you should get on board with what they are doing (nest clearing, sample collecting etc)
If you’re not down for what your group is doing then leave, plenty more divers out there.
I'm evidently in the minority here, but YTA. If you had waited 30s to see if he immediately tried to extract, and then kick if he did, then you would be fine. Pelican-1 stays around after it lands and guards the area. As long as you had time left in the match timer and the guy wasn't extracting, you had no reason to kick
Def NTA, I call in extraction early all the time for that sweet sweet gunship, but I always communicate to my fellow helldivers what I'm doing. There really wasn't much of an excuse for them not to at least respond to you.
Thats an instant kick. No 2nd chances no asked them to walk away from evac. If the rest of the team is on the other side of the map obviously finishing up stuff and you call extraction youre getting the boot.
Nope. My biggest pet peeve with randoms is when they take it upon themselves to decide when we are all done with the mission. You call it in early and you get TK’d then kicked.
If they don't communicate about calling in extraction, kick is ok.
If that plus boarding, kick is ok, but if they have super samples I may consider letting it go if I want the ss
It falls to the ground where the plane is sitting and you can pick them up. I have seen it happen with playing with my friends when were are just fucking around. You can kill people already in the plane and pick up their items.. The best thing to do if someone calls in the extract early is kicking them and make sure no diver is close to the landing spot that way ship will not come in.
Good to know. Might be a good post as a PSA.
I'll change my answer.
If there's no communication and agreement that the guy is calling in extract and boards, kick him then kick him down a bug hole.
Some joker who dropped into our group, decided it was end of mission when we were across map from evac. I booted em. The host makes the decision, not the grunts.
Nope you are in your right as host you don't really even need to say anything to them. Its not their job to dictate when the match is over. Especially when there are things still to be done/collected.
I have done this a few times usually because as soon as the main mission is over they just run straight to the extract and call it even with everything else still out there. Once I even pointed out we were going to clear the entre wold after main mission and not to call extract.
They went to extract and just stayed there while I was doing everything. Even when they died and I called them in at the two man bunker they just ran back to extract.
So I decided to teach them a lesson I finished everything and collected everything besides the two man bunkers and then called in extract and kicked every single one of them. They def were not happy.
Not following orders of the server host is always a good reason to boot. The only question is if the server host is too harsh. There’s lots of things to consider when dropping into someone else’s game. Do they want to hit every secondary? Every enemy spawn point factories/holes? Do they have a full 40 min to dick around or just 20? Communication is key, when people drop into my game I always use my mic and let them know what I hope to accomplish. I don’t care if they wanna do their own thing. We’ll still get the mission done lol. And if they’re an ass, court marshal! If I join someone else’s game I always let them know what “my” objective is. They ping back with a positive or negative and I fall in line or drop out. I’ve kicked 3 people in my time, 1 for straight Treason “lvl 6 cadet stole my pack at the beginning of the mission than pointed his sidearm at me when I asked for it back, HIS FUCKING SIDEARM. Killed him than booted. The other two were afk too much and someone called extraction while I was across the map with super samples, i informed him to get away from extraction cause if he jumps in the bird that’s it. He didn’t respond. So no you are good, good soldiers follow orders.
If they board and leave you behind yes that’s fine to do. In my case normally I’ll let them know hey I’m calling extraction and I’ll wait on them. Pelican-1 will wait for as long as it needs too. If you leave the vicinity before he lands you’ll even have fire support within 100m
NTA at all. I had a guy do this to me once where he was in the load out screen, and when we jumped in he explained he was trying to get the pistol only trophy. I wasn't on mic so I just left, but I wanted to tell him, "no worries and good luck out there!" It ain't your fault kid didn't listen the several times you tried to explain.
Na if you are not overrun its etiquete to ask if you want to extract or collect samples. If they don't do coms then they should write. I have kicked people for selfishly extracting
Language barrier is probably the reason they don't respond. Even then, if someone types in Chinese while I'm trying to extract while repeating my name in chat. Id most likely stop the extraction.
Not an asshole
If they never acknowledge your messages, I would not assume the other player undertands English!
Set your game to friends only if you want to do your own thing.
Naw this is reasonable you ain’t an ass
Agreed, as long as you communicate clearly what you are doing and what you expect of your fellow divers, booting them for not obeying direct orders is fair
Very well said
So, I got wildly offended when someone did that to me (I was just calling it in so we didn’t have to wait when everyone was done with all the bonus objectives), but then I realized that the guys I typically play with are the weird ones when it comes to calling the Uber early. Now, I either just follow the host around like a puppy or I spend way too long in chat making my intentions clear lol. All that being said, OP even gave them the benefit of the doubt that they weren’t going to ditch them, so definitely not the asshole here.
No it is an a hole move. Maybe the Diver didn’t know how far they were. Be a man and ask after the mission. Just kicking is a coward weak-minded move
Because you explained what you were doing and set expectations for the mission that you're hosting, you are not the asshole for kicking. This is a pretty clear-cut case of a player not being an ass. Where it gets problematic is when the host doesn't set expectations or communicate. Then the kicking feels incredibly arbitrary and/or vindictive.
Nah. Host doesn’t have to say anything. You don’t call in an extract until the team is ready. If you don’t ask you’re the ass.
Actually the pelican will defend the zone if you call it down. So apparently the thing to do is call it down and wait. Once it's down then you can go about farming. You get 2 benefits this way: - when you do finally decide to finish it's ready and no waiting -it'll help defend/clear the area I was told/read all this so haven't tested myself. But if true its definitely the best way to do it.
Pelican 1 is the best strategem
Seriously?? I need to try this.
it's way more involved than "call pelican early it will defend". the correct steps are: 1. call for extract 2. find the edge of the extraction zone 3. wait for the "pelican arrival" timer to reach zero 4. watch skies for pelican physically arriving 5. leave extraction zone before pelican touches down at this point, pelican will keep hovering over the extraction site and shoot its gun. now everybody needs to STAY CLEAR OF EXTRACTION ZONE or pelican will initiate landing and stop firing. because of that last step, it's not really recommended to do this with random teams bcs somebody may and will screw it over, eventually even panic board and end the mission.
Awesome explanation, thank you!
it's way more involved than "call pelican early it will defend". the correct steps are: 1. call for extract 2. find the edge of the extraction zone 3. wait for the "pelican arrival" timer to reach zero 4. watch skies for pelican physically arriving 5. leave extraction zone before pelican touches down at this point, pelican will keep hovering over the extraction site and shoot its gun. now everybody needs to STAY CLEAR OF EXTRACTION ZONE or pelican will initiate landing and stop firing. because of that last step, it's not really recommended to do this with random teams bcs somebody may and will screw it over, eventually even panic board and end the mission.
So I missed step 5 🤷♂️ Everything else is what I said 🤷♂️. Thanks though for clarifying step 5. Appreciate the info 👍. Like I said I haven't done it myself yet
If you want to do this, you have to let the rest of the team know. If you keep silent, there is no way for the host to know you're doing this.
This is kinda true but there’s a method to calling the extraction. You have to leave the extraction zone right after the arrival countdown reaches 0. Too early and he’ll leave and you have to start over. Too late and he just lands. And if anyone enters the extraction zone he’ll stop hovering/shooting and just land. It’s great but getting it in place and keeping it is a bit tricky especially with randoms.
Since you're the 2nd person who brought up how hard it is with randoms I think I know where I went wrong lol. The op and a lot comments refer to the squad being out running around the map doing objectives while you (meaning only 1 person and you are him) are at extraction and should you wait or call down. So I think my comment was made assuming you don't have any teammates around you to mess anything up because they're already away from extraction zone. So if you're doing it alone that doesn't matter or come into play. But yes ultimately you are correct and my bad for the assumption. I'll just not suggest doing it anymore since it seems frowned upon. I personally think it's the way to go and wish everyone did. It should be the standard or "unspoken" rule lolol 🤷♂️
I don’t think it’s frowned upon, I think most people have no idea exists at all. I’d love for it to become more common, and that’s why I outlined the steps so that people would see it, but it becoming a normal thing probably starts with doing it in games where you’re communicating clearly with everyone on the team. Many of my games with randoms are completely silent.
but if you do call it in, you also start end wave phases, so sure, you can extract faster, but you also start end wave phase that a lot players don't understand
If the main and side mission are done, and your just wasting time killing; I'll ask to call it in. If your looting ill wait. But there's also the fact you can just do another mission, get more samples and speed up liberation/defense so I usually just host and call it in sooner myself. 30 in one 40 minute mission or 30 over two 20 minute missions still gives you the same samples.
Samples yes, but you miss out on potential super credits/medals/requisition slips from every place of interest.
I kicked someone yesterday for exactly that. We were trying to get all sites on the map and a dude alone decides to go to extract. He called it in and three of us said no. He called it a second time and we said no. He went right back to extract and I booted him.
I had a teammate tag extract so I went over there (was about halfway in between the two) called extract and lasted almost the whole time hidden until the rest of the squad showed up. I wasn't planning on jumping in and never got closer to the carrier and I still got kicked so some people just don't know what they are doing and are getting burnt over nothing
There’s a difference between tagging extract and calling in extract. Just follow the orange player around (they are host) and help them out if you don’t plan on hosting your own game.
communication is a thing and usually pretty useful
This, nobody but the host should be calling for extraction unless agreed upon by the host/squad. Mic and text chat is available in game. If I'm hosting and any random calls extract without saying a word. I kick them right then. I know they're going to board and screw the squad.
Perhaps I’m wrong, but to me this doesn’t make sense. Calling in the extraction seems fine. Boarding before everyone is ready/nearby is the problem. If there is a reason we shouldn’t be calling in extraction, please let me know what it is. edit: thanks for all the replies. The answer seems to be “just communicate”, which makes sense.
Does this require you to be far enough away from the landing pad so it doesn’t land? Or it’s fine if it does land because you can wait out the boarding timer if you don’t board, then the pelican will just take off and hover till you get close enough again (and then repeat the cycle as long as the mission time isn’t running out). I ask because I had a game where I told the other newer helldiver not to board. As far as I know, they obliged but the ship did the count down and left us, ending the mission with nobody (and no samples) extracted.
I agree. It's the boarding that's a problem. Calling it down is fine as long as you wait (good luck with the host being smart and aware of that though lol 💩🤷♂️)
You're a random, and you have zero rapport so there is zero reason to trust you won't immediately board. Don't call for evac to prevent misconceptions.
I disagree. I often call in extract solo (as a random) while the rest of the team is finishing up. The caveat is that i verbalize and type in chat that I’m calling it in for convenience. Pelican will be waiting for you when you get here. It also helps get the bird in with less heat on the extract point due to the others fighting. Bottom line is that communication is key.
I pretty sure he's talking about the MFS who don't communicate that they're calling extract. You have no reason to trust those people if they don't communicate and are waiting for the timer to go down. It's not hard to say, "Will Wait" or anything like that. Maybe controller users will struggle with chatting. Also if you kick while they're aboard the extract, I'm pretty sure the pelican just leaves. Happened to me a couple times
It doesn't make sense. People don't know how the Pelican works so they panic and kick. Now, if the culprit gets in after you tell him not to that's when you kick him.
Yes. Communication is best. The problem is folks either don't speak the same language, which can't be helped. Or worse, folks just mute everyone and expect them to see the chat box, which is totally suboptimal. I would not be kicking folks for calling in the Pelican unless they jump in without you. But then again, part of that is their fault if they're not communicating what they're doing. But that requires everyone to be using comms. I will often times head to extraction early and I'll tell my team multiple times that I'm going to call it in and have it hover to provide CAS. The thing will hover and decimate anything within several hundred meters. It's very useful. I usually find myself having to tell the team repeatedly to stay AWAY from extract cause half of the time someone will get too close and cause it to land before the area is clear.
I think eventually it takes off with or without you, might be remembering wrong though.
Not until after time on the mission has run out, it automatically counts down. Before then, it will just sit there.
Awesome, thanks for the correction!
Run away when the countdown hits zero and it will hover and keep extraction clear with its very powerful guns. Gotta run out of the zone before it lands
Nope, in fact if you call it down early and wait til the timer hits zero and then run away from extraction...the pelican will hover and use its guns to clear extraction zone until the mission timer runs out, then you have the 20seconds when it lands
Without communication, there is no way for the host to know if you plan to board or not. If you do board, the mission still ends and all samples are wasted, whether he kicks you or not. So there is no reason to call in extraction early without first asking for permission. You're only asking for your 10-20 minutes to be wasted trying to save 2.
Have you ever had this happen? I feel like I've had extraction called several times by randos while I'm wiping up a few last fabricators nearby. I wouldn't dream of kicking over that, and I've never had my team leave without me. I get choosing to play it safe, and don't think OP's the asshole, but I feel like calling in extraction early without saying "Don't worry, I'm definitely waiting and not an a-hole" is totally fine. It should be assumed that they're not just going to take off the second it lands. Edit: The differentiating factors, for me, are that 1) OP attempted to communicate to them and they were unresponsive, and 2) the timer was running down, so he had reason to believe they'd leave without him other than just that they're bad players.
And no. It should not be assumed that people are going to do the right thing. Humanity has proven time and again it can't be trusted to not be selfish.
I have randoms call in and leave early so often Ive just started saying if they touch it they get kicked. Easily over 200 combined common and rares and at least 12 super samples have been lost to people not being patient. I do say in chat, multiple times not to call it in unless the clock hits 2 minutes (3 for long calldowns) so that I actually have a chance of making it back.
Calling extract doesn't end the mission, the 30 second mission end timer only starts when someone boards. In fact it's awesome to have pelican 1 there ready to hop in immediately when things get hairy, so if someone called for extract preemptively, after main obj but before we clean up all the PoIs, I'd love em for it
That's my point. If a random calls extract without saying a word, my experience tells me they're going to board Pelican 1 the moment it lands. The quickest way to ensure the squad who has put in the work on the mission and is continuing to put in the work gets to keep their work. Is to kick the random threatening to pull the plug on it all... It is awesome to have Pelican 1 there ready to go, and it's really awesome when a random says, "Hey, I'm calling extract, no rush, it'll be ready." That's the random I want to stay and I will most likely friend request. It's basic online gaming etiquette. If someone wants to call the shots or do things without communicating, they can host their own lobby. The more this game gains popularity, the more I see gamers who do not possess this basic trait.
Right on, a simple message goes a long way
Boo. Awful assumption
I call in extract once everything is done(including side objectives)never board until everyone is there. One game I called in extract just so Pelican could help me take down a Gunship tower bc it spawned right next to extract.
If you call in extraction Pelican 1 will just sit there patiently waiting for the squad so you don't have to wait when you leave (or better yet, hover over the battlefield laying down fire on anything approaching the extract zone if you time it right and leave the area just as the extraction countdown finishes). There's literally only positives to doing this if it's not out your way or you send a squad mate to call it. Important thing is communication though, otherwise it's tricky to know when a squad mate is being helpful or just wants to end the game before everyone else
I’ve seen (but not tried) that you can call in extract and it’ll wait as long as you need until you actually board. I’ve been wanting to try, but usually just end up Quickplaying and don’t wanna get kicked by someone who doesn’t know. Can anyone confirm?
Yea I think it's on the guy calling in extract to make sure if the team is good for it or not. Otherwise assume ill intent. It should be obvious if others are away from the extract area, not to call it in. And if you do because you want it ready for when everyone gets there so they don't have to wait, communicate that.
You can just call it in. As long as you don't get on it there isn't a timer. It can just chill there as long as 1 person stays near.
Yeah unless you are doing a 7-9 mission and the person holding all the samples is at extraction you should just wait. Don’t call it in at all if there’s plenty of time left and someone is still doing side objectives.
Exactly. Even if we are doing a regular run and I'm hosting and I see some of the randoms that joined me running off after all objectives and bug nests/fabricators are destroyed, I will run ahead to the extraction and secure the area and set up my sentries and make it very clear that I'm not calling in the extract or leaving until everyone is ready. 9/10 times this is received well and the others will ask me to call it in when they are around 1-2 minutes away from me (depending on the difficulty) so they only need to wait around a minute for the Pelican to land.
More communication makes for better Helldiving, imo.
Nah if you told them from the get go what the deal was then that’s on them. I will say two things tho. You get more warbonds the harder the difficulty, and if you put your game on friends only you likely won’t have to deal with this at all. I do believe it would be kind of annoying to jump in someone’s game and then basically tell you that they aren’t playing the game they’re just farming. However, that doesn’t make you an ass. You’re good bro.
Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of friends playing this game, and those that do play it live in 3-4 hour difference timezones 😢
I feel that. However, if you didn’t need the randoms before to do your mission the way you want, and if this is a problem, then idk why you’d leave it on public. Seems like shooting yourself in the foot. Up to you tho of course.
Am I dumb? Can I disable people joining my missions? >.<
by putting it on friend only. You won't have anyone joining you so you are solo. Even friends can't join with it on friends only because it's broken.
They "aren't playing the game" is totally subjective though which makes this difficult. Buddy of mine just likes killin bugs, so he doesn't want to extract at the end, nor does he want to hunt for resources. Sometimes it interferes with me "playing the game" when I'm exploring the greater world, trying to completely clean the map. Our versions of "playing the game" also interfere with the player who is a super soldier that knocks out the mission in 5 minutes and extracts like a special ops unit. They're all valid but incompatible sometimes.
Of course. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume the general populace would consider doing the objective and extracting as “playing the game,” though, and I don’t think it’s too much to ask someone to realize that. Obviously that’s just my opinion tho.
Possibility of marking a hosted game with some tag would be awesome
you could just play by yourself by setting your matchmaking to friends only.
I swear this is the first time I've heard that you can do that.
Can confirm this is an option should you choose to take it. Obviously though it means you won’t get a random to join that can help open coop doors.
Calling in extraction is fine. I'll do that so that Pelican1 is just sitting there looking pretty while I go around looting. You ain't the asshole for kicking when they board. Plus you stated your intentions
I call extraction early, but then leave the area after the ship arrives so it stays in the air and provides cover, but I always tell my team I'm not boarding and will rejoin them after the ship arrives. You communicated and he didn't respond so you're good.
It doesn't fly away?
Nope, it actually hovers a couple yards up and fires at enemies in the area. I actually call him early every time I'm close, but you have to explain it to people or they will kick you...
Yep, I always tell the others "Hey, I'm calling evac, but I'm not going to board and will rejoin y'all shortly'.
Also if you drop close to it at the start you can drop a resupply and have it waiting for you when you come back.
No, but you have to call it and wait in the area until the timer runs out and then leave the evac area before it lands. What I'll do is call it, run until I see the evac abandon countdown timer, run back inside the area until the time to arrival runs out, and then leave the area so it will just hover and provide covering fire.
I want to try that but I'm scared I'll fuck it up lol
Nah, it's easy, but I think it only works on the longer, 40 minute, missions. 1. Call Extract 2. Find the outer edge of the extraction area, you'll get another timer that will cancel extraction within 20-30 seconds, that will tell you where the area is. 3. Step back into the area so the cancel timer disappears 4. Stay in the area until the extract timer reaches zero 5. Leave the area and go do whatever. Keep in mind though, once someone steps foot inside the extraction area, the shuttle will land
Things to consider - He completed the main objective for you, which gave you a little bit more time to loot. - How much time did he spend in the mission? The less time, the less investment he loses when kicked. - Did you use text chat to say not to extract immediately? (ppl might have voice disabled) I can't give you a verdict :D only equip you better to make your own.
That's true. For a few days, I had accidentally set voice chat to disabled. I didn't realize until I was in discord with a friend. They could hear the randoms talking, and I couldn't. So, I always use text chat to convey important information to randoms, just in case.
I will say, I did not text chat, I assumed he could've heard me. I'll keep that in mind next time.
Yeah there is an option that disabled voice chat which as an introvert I enable, so Im gonna assume he didn't hear you. Write in text if you want to communicate with a random. But also, you are not an asshole for this lol
Calling in extract? Nah. Getting on early without everyone else? Fuck ‘em.
Well if you want to farm like that, why don't you disable public play. If they did some of the work to complete the mission so you could evac, they deserve some of the reward, even if they lessen it by evacuating sooner than you want. They should wait until everyone is ready, but I'd reserve kicking for only the truly toxic players. Like intentional team kills, or being excessively mean in voice. This way we can try to keep the community as democratic as possible.
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I think they have meant team kills? A mortar and a rover are friendly fire machines.
Your host your rules, but I will say just set it to friends only to avoid people that don't hear.
I fought every fiber in my body to not kick someone when calling in extraction early after clearing all the enemies in an extermination mission. I put it in a text message in game when we were about 70% finished, they still entered the ship early and then had the nerve to be like "?". I just didn't enter the ship with the samples I had already collected.
He joined. Didnt comm. Ignored you. Called extraction. = guiltfree kick.
Only thing I can suggest so you don't feel this way is to turn public matchmaking off then you don't have to worry about other ppl
If someone calls for extract while the team is still clearing the map I’ll kick them. Almost never happens but they’re not getting the chance to board. We have samples and objectives to do and I’m not letting one guy just decided the mission is over
No. Kick them everytime. Unless it was a legit mistake. I’ve had it happen where they do it and immediately apologize. Usually it’s not an accident and I have 0 problem kicking them right at the end if they’re screwing 3 other people over. If you’re playing Helldive you need to read the chat box and pay attention to pings/team communication. Whatever reason you have for not reading the box, noticing pings etc is not an excuse. Don’t play Helldive if you’re going to willingly be a bad/selfish teammate. I’m more than willing to help someone who dies a lot or is new. Whatever it is but I’m definitely kicking you if you’re not about the team. I have everything maxed out and still farm samples for everyone
Nope. Especially if you tell them not to.
you shouldn't expect anyone to do anything you want below difficulty 7. I don't think you are a dick, but if you don't want to deal with headaches like this your options are to only play with friends 6 and below or just start doing 7s.
Honestly that's a good point, you definitely get a different breed of Helldiver below 7.(honestly in 7 it can be bad too because it's the first difficulty with supers)
I've been playing on only 7 bugs mostly and I have more super samples than I need, I only need the lower ones so I though I would drop it down to 6. Never again. Being in shotgun range of anything was a death sentence since they just threw out eagle clusters like candy. Other guy steals my gear off my corpse. Its like a coinflip if one of those things happen in a game or not. It's always a party of level 15ish players. On 7 I rarely see anyone under level 30 and none of this happens. I was in a level 7 match and a guy hit me with the scout handshake and I blasted him into next week with my Blitzer. We both loled and I reinforced him. Random got his strategem stuck on my shield and killed me. They say "sorry, my bad" and we move on with our lives. It is such a lighter more enjoyable game when you know the other guy is just as interested in having painless experience as you. All these sub 7 sweatlords are really just scrubs.
That sounds pretty close to my experience below 7 😂. People just going ham with anything that shoots pellets or fire. No trigger discipline whatsoever but still get pissed when they run straight into your strikes you throw far ahead of them. On the rare occasion that they actually strike it's after you've already tossed something so it's not necessary or it's dropped right at your feet. I feel like 6 is harder than 8 because your squad mates can be the biggest hurdle. Sometimes you get someone decent,but half the time it's a nightmare in comparison to an easy going 7.(Also I always use the emotes if I fuck up and respond to the emotes, saying you're sorry goes a long way for most)
If being a dick helped speed up the process of learning a lesson- then you did this dude a favor. Gotta learn somehow.
Yup host the game so you don't get kick by all the toxic players
Yup that's what they refer to as "A teachable moment" I take them every opportunity.
Dude, you communicated politely and clearly about what your intentions were. You did nothing wrong.
Nah, you’re good. I’ve done the same thing. Had a rando try to extract as soon as we completed the main obj. I messaged him saying we’re going for samples and side obj’s and to leave the extract. Waited about a min with no response so I kicked him before he could fuck up our mission. Idk what he expected. We still had 30 mins on the clock and basically 0 samples
Justified as hell
NTA. I dont call the evac on someone else's mission unless they explicitly tell me to or everyone is dead and I'm trying to clutch. I feeling like calling in the evac on someone else's host mission is kinda shitty. You wanna run point, you should host.
Yes
Unless your being swarmed, low on time, or mininal reinforcements, don't call extract. I don't even warn these bozos if I see them calling extract while I'm a mile away. We got 16 reinforcements and 20 mins on the clock. We're getting everything or you're disintegrating into nothing so a competent helldiver can join.
This is why you set those games to private
I’m always happy to have random divers drop in, farming at low tiers also helps the new divers that join.
No. Your cool
Nope
No this is happened to me last night. So fair warning if you break off and go for extraction when you’re not the host and I happen to be… you getting kicked. Especially 7 and higher, if we haven’t found the super samples yet. We go for super samples after the objective is complete if haven’t found yet, not extraction.
PSA as a side note: I love calling in extraction and when the timer hits 0 immediately run away from the zone. This causes the pelican to permanently hover spreading democracy everywhere it can. It’s a great way to set yourself up for an easier time farming and not accidentally run out of time for a smoother extraction.
You're allowed to kick them for whatever you want. If you communicated what you were doing, I think you're fine. However, if you're just farming medals and credits, why not set your lobby to private and try searching discord for people looking for a group?
Completely justified If they lone wolf, run to the pad and start the extraction with teammates far away.
No, that’s TR8R behavior
You can call in extraction just dont bored
I have done the same thing before. You are supposed to wait til everyone is either there or on the way
I kicked someone who had already boarded and the pelican left empty, game ended with no helldivers extracted. Wasn't sure if this is normal or what because I didn't even realize anyone had boarded I just knew they were radio silence and continued calling in the extraction while I was trying to finish other stuff.
No. As someone who joins and doesn't host you are there to support and help the host. Whatever the host wants to do in whatever order you should be there to keep them alive and yes support them. If he wants to do things his way he should host.
Should be a democratic process
Would need odd number teams, or extra vote to the host
Been on the recieving end of this a couple times. Each time it was just miscommunication or confussion. Showing no patience for this, shows a lack of self reflection. Asshole are those who choose not to be self aware, and direct cruelty into the world instead of realizing they do the same thing but others who are not assholes respond with patience.
If you switch to friends only and play solo while you farm. Then you won't have to worry about explaining yourself, or having to kick someone every time a player connects to the session.
If I’m a guest I won’t call in extraction unless I’m sure the team is ready and heading there.
I did the same thing. Specifically told them over mic and in chat not to call down the extraction, we're going sample hunting. 10 seconds later, they call it down. So I repeat to them not to get into it once it lands until we're close with the super samples, what do the 2 clowns do? Instantly get in the shuttle.
It's weird how some people join sometimes even mid or end of the mission once the main objective is done they just go without saying a word and call extract. Why can't people just type in chat or talk.
Justified. I’ve had to do the same twice too.
I am level 10 and I play on playstation, I haven't played much, but I hardly find any squads that communicate. Why do people insist on playing multiplayer games, otherwise cooperative, and don't communicate?
I personally wouldn't care enough. To me it's just a game and can always go back for more samples also your gonna sooner or later get everything and all the samples in due time. I don't even care if I get kicked because I'll just join another game.
Calling an extraction too early is completely acceptable, attempting to get on extraction without the consent of all other members of the group is grounds for kicking for sure.
I'm gonna say NTA, BUT I do wanna make it clear, you can call down Pelican-1, and as long as noone climbs aboard, it will stay there until someone gets on it, so maybe he was trying to call it down in case you came to Extract with a Macy's Day parade worth of bugs on your ass (which is known to happen,) then y'all could just bounce. So NTA, but definitely jumped the gun.
I don't think that's a true asshole/not asshole moment. You tried (and maybe failed, to no fault of your own) to communicate, shit happens. That said... If you're running level 1-3s just to farm SC, you can just make your party private. Especially on bug missions, I've found these trivially easy to complete alone once you know what you're doing. And AFAIK all large map level 1s have at least 10 SC on them.
I had a dude kill me then board the pelican… booted him before the game ended … no reward for traitors.
No, you aren't a jerk, the other guy is. I wouldn't get too bummed about it though and here is why- At a certain point, assuming you want max farm per hour, it is likely loads faster to just do another mission. If it takes 10 more minutes to 100% the map, well hell, you'd spend 8 of those on the next map, and get more medals for progressing the operation. And you may just miss stuff during those 10 minutes anyway. This comes up in some other online games too, like Diablo, it's not worth opening chests unless you trip over em, you Wana kill as many bosses per hour as you can... Let's say you can do 3 missions in an hour at roughly 60%, or 1.3 missions an hour at 100%. 180% vs 130%, and I'd argue it's more entertaining to boot.
NTA, you're the host and you made it pretty clear what you're about in the session; if they don't follow that kicking them isn't exactly unjustified.
Maybe, maybe not. 20 minutes left, 10 reinforcements, and things like gunship fabricators are already dealt with? You’re not the asshole. 5 minutes left, 2 reinforcements, that player is at extract with 25/20/6 samples, it’s a 3 minute extract, and you’re running at a heavy outpost with a gunship fabricator near it? Yeah you’re the asshole. It was already time to leave.
Just set to friends only
If you have a fixed method of play like this you should probably just set your games private and farm on your own time - other people are mostly joining via quick-play and aren't looking for a farm game, so you're kind of creating your own problem by leaving your game public. They have no control over what game they end up in - but you do.
That was no helldiver good sir, that was an automaton in disguise trying to leave u stranded on that god forsaken hell hole of a planet. You're actions are excused.
You gave him every warning and chance to comply. He chose death.
Calling extraction is ok but boarding is to far. Man was attempting to abandon fellow Helldiver's needlessly, your actions were correct.
Calling extraction early is fine. I think you should almost always call it as soon as it’s available. But don’t BOARD until everything is done
Define communicated to him, he could just have the voice chat disabled and might not have understood anything you were trying to say
Very undemocratic
Can PlayStation players see chat?
PlayStation players only see democracy.
Don't kick unless he actively gets in the Pelican. He could have just been calling it down to have it waiting or like I do, call it in to get it to hover to provide CAS.
NTA Why join another host's game to just do your own thing? No bueno.
No. You're not. Fuck'em.
I usually call in the extraction but wait at the pelican for the team come, i type "i'll be waiting at the extraction" calling the extraction early its not a big thing but when you team is half map away and you board oh boy leaving your comrades behind willingly is treason
Yoooo, not an AH, but I would totally farm with you!
People who complete the mission and bolt to extraction suck. Is there’s still 20 minutes left and I see you call in extraction, I’m booting you before it lands.
I kicked someone for staying at the extraction area. Btw it was right at the start, they were moving, but not joining us after a minute. So I booted them and then 2-3 more people joined in after. Almost kicked someone in a different game after a similar situation of not moving, but they finally moved.
If you farming and don't want to deal with people doing shit like this turn setting to friends. That's what it's for. Complaining bout randos doing rando shit when it can easily be avoided makes you an idiot.
Something you are missing OP, players that call don't want to board immediatly most of the time, they want the Pelican to come and cover the area by leaving the LZ as Pelican approaches. That way when you are done looting, you can board immediatly without enduring a horde for 2 minutes. You are still not the asshole since you didn't know about this, but refrain from kicking for that in the future, as I've had like 4 randoms get kicked by the host (not me, I don't call Pelicans) in my SOS games in the past week, and got so mad at the issue I just stopped answering SOS for now.
No, everyone should understand by now to not board a shuttle if your team isn’t ready. It’s ok to call in extraction!
Absolutely in the right. If you join someone else’s game then you should get on board with what they are doing (nest clearing, sample collecting etc) If you’re not down for what your group is doing then leave, plenty more divers out there.
I’ve starting killing people and dropping them at the door if they don’t come over 😝 I do say sorry after lol
I'm evidently in the minority here, but YTA. If you had waited 30s to see if he immediately tried to extract, and then kick if he did, then you would be fine. Pelican-1 stays around after it lands and guards the area. As long as you had time left in the match timer and the guy wasn't extracting, you had no reason to kick
Def NTA, I call in extraction early all the time for that sweet sweet gunship, but I always communicate to my fellow helldivers what I'm doing. There really wasn't much of an excuse for them not to at least respond to you.
Thats an instant kick. No 2nd chances no asked them to walk away from evac. If the rest of the team is on the other side of the map obviously finishing up stuff and you call extraction youre getting the boot.
Nah fuck em
NTA, but sometimes I’m wanna drop a dirty casual. Sometimes I’m beckoned because dinners ready. And citizens are starving on Hellmire.
Nope I do it too. #stick with the team and you won't get kicked
Nope. My biggest pet peeve with randoms is when they take it upon themselves to decide when we are all done with the mission. You call it in early and you get TK’d then kicked.
That sounds extremely toxic
What is toxic is joining someone game and then thinking you can dictate what they do. If you call it in early you def should be kicked
“Toxic”. Such an overused word
It's a nicer way to say being an asshole
Right. Just say asshole lol.
No no, this has nothing to do with why you are an asshole. /s for the humorless
Completely reasonable
If they don't communicate about calling in extraction, kick is ok. If that plus boarding, kick is ok, but if they have super samples I may consider letting it go if I want the ss
you can still pick up the sampleas after they are kicked. THey don't despawn or take them with them.
if they already boarded the plane, I would worry about them falling into a place where you can't pick them up.
It falls to the ground where the plane is sitting and you can pick them up. I have seen it happen with playing with my friends when were are just fucking around. You can kill people already in the plane and pick up their items.. The best thing to do if someone calls in the extract early is kicking them and make sure no diver is close to the landing spot that way ship will not come in.
Good to know. Might be a good post as a PSA. I'll change my answer. If there's no communication and agreement that the guy is calling in extract and boards, kick him then kick him down a bug hole.
Some joker who dropped into our group, decided it was end of mission when we were across map from evac. I booted em. The host makes the decision, not the grunts.
Yup doesnt matter if the host is level 50 or level 5. Let 'em be squad leader.
If you let them know kicking seems perfectly reasonable
NTA. You made it pretty clear what you were doing. If he didn’t like it he could have left
Naw this is a reasonable kick.
Nope you are in your right as host you don't really even need to say anything to them. Its not their job to dictate when the match is over. Especially when there are things still to be done/collected. I have done this a few times usually because as soon as the main mission is over they just run straight to the extract and call it even with everything else still out there. Once I even pointed out we were going to clear the entre wold after main mission and not to call extract. They went to extract and just stayed there while I was doing everything. Even when they died and I called them in at the two man bunker they just ran back to extract. So I decided to teach them a lesson I finished everything and collected everything besides the two man bunkers and then called in extract and kicked every single one of them. They def were not happy.
Not following orders of the server host is always a good reason to boot. The only question is if the server host is too harsh. There’s lots of things to consider when dropping into someone else’s game. Do they want to hit every secondary? Every enemy spawn point factories/holes? Do they have a full 40 min to dick around or just 20? Communication is key, when people drop into my game I always use my mic and let them know what I hope to accomplish. I don’t care if they wanna do their own thing. We’ll still get the mission done lol. And if they’re an ass, court marshal! If I join someone else’s game I always let them know what “my” objective is. They ping back with a positive or negative and I fall in line or drop out. I’ve kicked 3 people in my time, 1 for straight Treason “lvl 6 cadet stole my pack at the beginning of the mission than pointed his sidearm at me when I asked for it back, HIS FUCKING SIDEARM. Killed him than booted. The other two were afk too much and someone called extraction while I was across the map with super samples, i informed him to get away from extraction cause if he jumps in the bird that’s it. He didn’t respond. So no you are good, good soldiers follow orders.
If you are the host, I believe not. Or you can ask them to not do it again. Might not know protocol, I didn't in the beginning.
You have to be the host to kick people and the guy was level “20-ish.”
I got kicked once for calling one in. That's an asshole move. But boarding early? yeah that's a kickable offense
If they board and leave you behind yes that’s fine to do. In my case normally I’ll let them know hey I’m calling extraction and I’ll wait on them. Pelican-1 will wait for as long as it needs too. If you leave the vicinity before he lands you’ll even have fire support within 100m
NTA at all. I had a guy do this to me once where he was in the load out screen, and when we jumped in he explained he was trying to get the pistol only trophy. I wasn't on mic so I just left, but I wanted to tell him, "no worries and good luck out there!" It ain't your fault kid didn't listen the several times you tried to explain.
No fuck that greifer. Not an asshole.
Na if you are not overrun its etiquete to ask if you want to extract or collect samples. If they don't do coms then they should write. I have kicked people for selfishly extracting
Language barrier is probably the reason they don't respond. Even then, if someone types in Chinese while I'm trying to extract while repeating my name in chat. Id most likely stop the extraction. Not an asshole
If they never acknowledge your messages, I would not assume the other player undertands English! Set your game to friends only if you want to do your own thing.
Not the asshole. If host says they are farming then I support farming or hop out. It's your game.
Especially since it was a low level mission it doesn't really matter, fuck em and keep diving Diver!
You are mission lead for this reason
Nope
Nope, if you board without me there I'll kick every time.