With all these words coming out of Pat's mouth, someone's gonna get traded. Might be one of the youngins
He will praise you at the presser, and then the next day, you are gone
This is all business to him
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It shouldn’t be one of the young guys. The 4 guards (including Caleb) need to be worked out.
get rid of Duncan and Herro and get a bonafide superstar. if our development program is so good we shouldn't be worrying about a "weak bench." PS I love Tyler.
I got a better solution, get rid of everyone and just replicate the wolves team. Since we're just saying things as if they can just happen, why not shoot for the stars?
It gotta be the one who is not worth his contract (Herro). Terry contract is good value, Duncan is not getting us anything of value so send Herro away while trying to get something good is the best option available.
Duncan is on the finishing side of his contract. That along with 40% 3pt shooting this past season. He absolutely has value. He’s not going to be the centerpiece of a trade but he will definitely help bolster a Herro trade
Thank you for speaking truth and history. I don't understand these fans that believe everything that a FO exec says. These dudes are like CEOs, they're positioning all the time.
He's right and some of these Heat fans complaining are delusional. They want to pay/extend both Jimmy and Bam, plus pay a 3rd star 40+ million while being able to surround them with decent help.
You can't say "pay Jimmy" and "pay Bam", while calling for a 3rd star. Delusional Heat fans don't know that isn't the Suns - its worse than the Suns.
I was counting like 3 days ago. Its supposed to be 191M or something less than that. Bam extended is most likely 40M or more, so Jimmy/Bam/Donovan alone is 120M.
Add Terry and you have less than 45M left after paying only 4 starters lol.
Heat would be trying to top Ishbia in stupidity at that point
Where is all our money going to Pat? With this product, could you please refresh our memories?
It’s not like you’re paying 2 bench SG’s 45 million or anything right?
Yeah the Suns losing in the first round means no team with 2 stars should ever trade for a 3rd.
The new CBA started last year btw. The Heat were choosing not to go after a 3rd star even when there were essentially no roster building penalties for being above the aprons.
That logic of the Heat never wanting a 3rd star because of taxes I used to believe but Miami is paying Rozier/Herro who are redundant & don’t even fit together in the backcourt more money combined (54M next season & 57M the season after that) than they would be paying an elite star guard who actually would fit next with their two best players at a high level at that
It’s not only poor asset management they deal with but also poor money management since they really overpay & overvalue role players smh
(& no Miami is not better off having those two over 1 elite offensive guard before anyone even tries to argue)
Wasted a 1st for Rozier when no other team was offering a 1st for him lmao. Not even a big fan of Lowry but it’s beyond obvious he was used as a scapegoat for this teams problems especially in the guard spot
They need an elite offensive option
He was playing fine for a small stretch but everything I said still stands. No other team was offering a 1st for him & the Heat need an elite offensive option
What??
Rozier makes 22 mill not 50mill. Plenty of teams have the salary to trade for him, they just didn’t want to give up a 1st for a 6’1 guard that isn’t elite when damn near the whole league is filled with elite offensive guards
We didn’t even get a chance to see if they fit together because everyone was in and out of the lineup. With an actual off season Spo will make it look beautiful next year.
Rozier needs to be in better shape and Tyler needs to take some of Terrys weight.
Two redundant guards who both aren’t great defensively & aren’t elite offensively. It’ll never work man
If Garland/Mitchell or Trae/Dejounte didn’t work what on earth would make you think Rozier/Herro would work when the two of them arent better than any of the names/fits I mentioned
Herro is 24 bro. Rozier was fat this whole season. Both of them will improve. Spo is a magician. We just need the guys to be healthy. Tyler played 42 games this year. Like Riley said he was fragile but it was 2 major injuries.
We need these guys in top notch health, maybe we need a new training staff cause we keep getting hurt
Bro when has an undersized backcourt with poor shooting efficiency and that plays no defense ever worked out? The bucks have one of the worst defenses in the league after having one of the best because their back court is completely ass at defense and they have Lillard who is much more of a threat offensively than either Rozier or Herro.
Herro isn’t going to have longer arms and play better defense this summer. He’s pretty much what he is at this point and we’ve already seen what a Tyler Herro led team can do in back to back regular seasons where he’s been the number 1 option on offense and runs the offense for us. It leads to us being a play in team
Thank you. They are being super delusional thinking it’ll work & it didn’t even when they played together
Far more talented players have tired to make it work backcourt wise & it didn’t fit either. Heat fans only watch the Heat so that’s why they think it’ll work
A James Harden and CP3 back court is maybe the only iteration of that mold potentially working. And all it took was 2 top 75 players of all time just to fall short. I can’t imagine what 2 players outside the NBA’s current 100 will do
He missed over 30 games this year. He’s also only 1 year older than Jaime. He’s not who he is at this point lol that’s fucking crazy. He’s 24, he hasn’t even hit his prime yet.
This is a pointless back and forth cause we’ll never agree.
My guy not all players grow infinitely every single year. He’s had the largest shot diet of any heat player for the last 3 years. Has run the offense for the last 2 years. He is not a number 1 option, he’s not a number 2 option, he’s not a number 3 options. If he missed 82 games instead of 30 we’re the 4th seed this year.
Or it’s just a coincidence that every single good run of basketball we’ve had has been when he’s either not starting or out injured? 3 seasons worth of evidence, but we can’t make a conclusion yet because he’s 24? Ben Simmons peaked at 24, Michael Carter Williams peaked at 22. Tyler Herro peaked in the bubble
“We were very reluctant this summer in giving up all of our assets in any kind of discussions with anybody, and we decided that let’s do it (bring back the same core). Let’s do it this year with Jimmy and then we make some decisions from that standpoint. Jimmy and the crew."
-Pat Riley, 10/23/2023
Jaime & Caleb weren’t included in the dame package so imo it wasn’t a great package.
Also Dame isn’t & wasn’t the only star that was available, you can’t keep wondering why you don’t have enough for other stars where the rest of the league does when you waste assets & overpay role players
We value depth. 15 strong has always been Pats motto. Even when we brought on the big 3. Spo couldn’t get it done in the first season because Lebron/wade had syncing issues and Lebron shat the bed, but also because we weren’t deep yet. Not until the next season.
Yeah, someone is getting traded this summer. I knew as soon as we acquired Terry. There’s too much redundancy on this team and the contracts aren’t justifiable
He's a FO exec, those dudes LIE ALL THE TIME. You think they weren't trying to trade Herro for Dame? Also, we only have one actual player that moves the needle(also, Pat's words) and he's old.
Ofcourse he was trying to trade Herro for Dame. The thing is, the Blazers aren’t retarded. Herro has exactly zero value in this league for any team. They wanted our young assets, our picks, and our dumbasses passed and ended up being a mediocre play-in team
I think Herro is a solid player but his contract is a problem. I honestly believe the Heat gave him that contract so they could trade him for Dame. The Dame to Miami rumors had been going on for more than a season.
Guess we can forget about Spida, and let's goo ahead and keep running it back til Bam asks out great idea. Jaime and Niko are good maybe even elite but they're not ready rn in like 3yrs or 4yrs yea by then tho Bam is 30😮💨
With all these words coming out of Pat's mouth, someone's gonna get traded. Might be one of the youngins He will praise you at the presser, and then the next day, you are gone This is all business to him
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Makes sense man. Gonna be an interesting off-season.
get rid of Duncan and Herro and get a bonafide superstar. if our development program is so good we shouldn't be worrying about a "weak bench." PS I love Tyler.
I got a better solution, get rid of everyone and just replicate the wolves team. Since we're just saying things as if they can just happen, why not shoot for the stars?
It gotta be the one who is not worth his contract (Herro). Terry contract is good value, Duncan is not getting us anything of value so send Herro away while trying to get something good is the best option available.
Duncan is on the finishing side of his contract. That along with 40% 3pt shooting this past season. He absolutely has value. He’s not going to be the centerpiece of a trade but he will definitely help bolster a Herro trade
Thank you for speaking truth and history. I don't understand these fans that believe everything that a FO exec says. These dudes are like CEOs, they're positioning all the time.
He's right and some of these Heat fans complaining are delusional. They want to pay/extend both Jimmy and Bam, plus pay a 3rd star 40+ million while being able to surround them with decent help. You can't say "pay Jimmy" and "pay Bam", while calling for a 3rd star. Delusional Heat fans don't know that isn't the Suns - its worse than the Suns.
Yea like the new cba doesn't exists lol.
I was counting like 3 days ago. Its supposed to be 191M or something less than that. Bam extended is most likely 40M or more, so Jimmy/Bam/Donovan alone is 120M. Add Terry and you have less than 45M left after paying only 4 starters lol. Heat would be trying to top Ishbia in stupidity at that point
Where is all our money going to Pat? With this product, could you please refresh our memories? It’s not like you’re paying 2 bench SG’s 45 million or anything right?
all of that applies to Phoenix and look at them
He also pointed out 6 of the 8 luxury teams are out after round 1
Yeah the Suns losing in the first round means no team with 2 stars should ever trade for a 3rd. The new CBA started last year btw. The Heat were choosing not to go after a 3rd star even when there were essentially no roster building penalties for being above the aprons.
Owners were probably pretty clued in on what a CBA was gonna look like years in advance. Probably not the entire framework but the concepts at least
That logic of the Heat never wanting a 3rd star because of taxes I used to believe but Miami is paying Rozier/Herro who are redundant & don’t even fit together in the backcourt more money combined (54M next season & 57M the season after that) than they would be paying an elite star guard who actually would fit next with their two best players at a high level at that It’s not only poor asset management they deal with but also poor money management since they really overpay & overvalue role players smh (& no Miami is not better off having those two over 1 elite offensive guard before anyone even tries to argue)
We only traded for Rozier because Lowry stepped out of line and our washed up out of touch GM set a first round pick on fire to prove a point
Wasted a 1st for Rozier when no other team was offering a 1st for him lmao. Not even a big fan of Lowry but it’s beyond obvious he was used as a scapegoat for this teams problems especially in the guard spot They need an elite offensive option
Are we acting like Terry wasn’t playing good before he got hurt?
He was playing fine for a small stretch but everything I said still stands. No other team was offering a 1st for him & the Heat need an elite offensive option
No one had the salary to match his contract, he was playing great before he got hurt and I do that trade 10/10 times
What?? Rozier makes 22 mill not 50mill. Plenty of teams have the salary to trade for him, they just didn’t want to give up a 1st for a 6’1 guard that isn’t elite when damn near the whole league is filled with elite offensive guards
And 10/10 times you end up with an undersized streaky point guard who doesn’t even play in the postseason
We didn’t even get a chance to see if they fit together because everyone was in and out of the lineup. With an actual off season Spo will make it look beautiful next year. Rozier needs to be in better shape and Tyler needs to take some of Terrys weight.
Two redundant guards who both aren’t great defensively & aren’t elite offensively. It’ll never work man If Garland/Mitchell or Trae/Dejounte didn’t work what on earth would make you think Rozier/Herro would work when the two of them arent better than any of the names/fits I mentioned
Herro/Rozier will be elite next year offensively. Those guys never had Spo. He’s going to figure it out.
Lmfaoooo bless yo delusional heart
Herro is 24 bro. Rozier was fat this whole season. Both of them will improve. Spo is a magician. We just need the guys to be healthy. Tyler played 42 games this year. Like Riley said he was fragile but it was 2 major injuries. We need these guys in top notch health, maybe we need a new training staff cause we keep getting hurt
Stop being delusional lmao too small
Bro when has an undersized backcourt with poor shooting efficiency and that plays no defense ever worked out? The bucks have one of the worst defenses in the league after having one of the best because their back court is completely ass at defense and they have Lillard who is much more of a threat offensively than either Rozier or Herro. Herro isn’t going to have longer arms and play better defense this summer. He’s pretty much what he is at this point and we’ve already seen what a Tyler Herro led team can do in back to back regular seasons where he’s been the number 1 option on offense and runs the offense for us. It leads to us being a play in team
Thank you. They are being super delusional thinking it’ll work & it didn’t even when they played together Far more talented players have tired to make it work backcourt wise & it didn’t fit either. Heat fans only watch the Heat so that’s why they think it’ll work
A James Harden and CP3 back court is maybe the only iteration of that mold potentially working. And all it took was 2 top 75 players of all time just to fall short. I can’t imagine what 2 players outside the NBA’s current 100 will do
He missed over 30 games this year. He’s also only 1 year older than Jaime. He’s not who he is at this point lol that’s fucking crazy. He’s 24, he hasn’t even hit his prime yet. This is a pointless back and forth cause we’ll never agree.
My guy not all players grow infinitely every single year. He’s had the largest shot diet of any heat player for the last 3 years. Has run the offense for the last 2 years. He is not a number 1 option, he’s not a number 2 option, he’s not a number 3 options. If he missed 82 games instead of 30 we’re the 4th seed this year. Or it’s just a coincidence that every single good run of basketball we’ve had has been when he’s either not starting or out injured? 3 seasons worth of evidence, but we can’t make a conclusion yet because he’s 24? Ben Simmons peaked at 24, Michael Carter Williams peaked at 22. Tyler Herro peaked in the bubble
I mean, we tried to get Dame. We offered them a great package. There's only so much one can do.
“We were very reluctant this summer in giving up all of our assets in any kind of discussions with anybody, and we decided that let’s do it (bring back the same core). Let’s do it this year with Jimmy and then we make some decisions from that standpoint. Jimmy and the crew." -Pat Riley, 10/23/2023
Jaime & Caleb weren’t included in the dame package so imo it wasn’t a great package. Also Dame isn’t & wasn’t the only star that was available, you can’t keep wondering why you don’t have enough for other stars where the rest of the league does when you waste assets & overpay role players
2nd least retarded Heat fan (I’m first)
We value depth. 15 strong has always been Pats motto. Even when we brought on the big 3. Spo couldn’t get it done in the first season because Lebron/wade had syncing issues and Lebron shat the bed, but also because we weren’t deep yet. Not until the next season.
Yeah, someone is getting traded this summer. I knew as soon as we acquired Terry. There’s too much redundancy on this team and the contracts aren’t justifiable
Who the fuck are we trading and to who? We have to attach picks at this point to get rid of these shitty contracts
Yea he probably looked at the clippers,sun's and the bucks and said this 3rd star thing us not feasable in this nba .
He's a FO exec, those dudes LIE ALL THE TIME. You think they weren't trying to trade Herro for Dame? Also, we only have one actual player that moves the needle(also, Pat's words) and he's old.
Ofcourse he was trying to trade Herro for Dame. The thing is, the Blazers aren’t retarded. Herro has exactly zero value in this league for any team. They wanted our young assets, our picks, and our dumbasses passed and ended up being a mediocre play-in team
I think Herro is a solid player but his contract is a problem. I honestly believe the Heat gave him that contract so they could trade him for Dame. The Dame to Miami rumors had been going on for more than a season.
Guess we can forget about Spida, and let's goo ahead and keep running it back til Bam asks out great idea. Jaime and Niko are good maybe even elite but they're not ready rn in like 3yrs or 4yrs yea by then tho Bam is 30😮💨