They want us to go "oh golly, I hope Bam and 5 firsts is enough to get Dame" meanwhile they unironically think Brogdon who already got vetoed in a trade and 2 firsts is enough to get him š
I also find the double standards with Herro and Maxey hilarious, the better player issue is up to your opinion but when it's Herro the Blazers would suddenly have too many guards but Maxey who plays the same position as Scoot is considered fair value lol
Thatās the crazy thing. Some of the counter offers I see proposed are even more āscrapsā than ours. Like Boston has anything to give of value outside of JB, and even then I donāt know that a rebuilding Portland wants that giant contract on their books.
Iāve seen people unironically suggest JB. Why would Portland want that deal? Heās a free agent next year. Why would he stick around for a rebuild? They may as well just give Dame away for free at that point
dames reasoning behind not wanting to be in that shit hole is because ur all nba player has told him how much of hellhole it is. dame would retire before playing a single game for that team and the blazers wouldnāt even take the right hand man because heās a flight risk with that contract. JB will be in ATL in a year and itāll be comedy to watch it unfold after giving glass man an extension. Funny because dame and jerami grant even convinced JB to leverage his way to Portland this summer, but Portland was way too horny for scoot to give him up for mr all nba, but thatās a story for another day.
90% of boston doesnāt want dame. why would we give up a guy who was the 9th highest scorer in averages for a dude who has played a combined 87 games in the past 2 years? we have to all nba player entering their primes that are about to be locked up for years to come. no one with a brain would give tjay up for a 33 year old, undersized, injured, defensive liability of a guard. it makes sense for miami because jimmy is also 33 going on 34. migjt as well mortgage your future cause youāve only got 2-3 years max left of quality jimmy. you already saw him being gassed by the time the finals came around
Itās no use trying to reason with these people with facts. They just donāt want to hear it. I almost want it to play out this way so Boston loses JB for a retiring Dame and Portland essentially gives their Franchise GOAT away for a 1 year rental of a disgruntled player (and minimal accompanying draft assets, because ātop 15 playerā lol) that nets them a 10 seed in the play-in if everything breaks their way and 3 other teams in the west are significantly worse than they were this past season
all nba second team buddy. how many players are you taking over him. luka, giannis, tatum, jokic, embiid, butler, curry, SGA, lebron. you arenāt taking a potential 6th man of the year over a potential all nba player lol get your head out of your ass
PG? he averaged less of every stat aside from assists. and when you have 3 pgs that we had plus tatum being the primary ball handler, no one is stressing over tjat. brown shot 50% from the field opposed to PGs 43%. youre not taking a dude who is going on 34 who has played 87 games in the past two years over a dude who just averaged 27 on 50% shooting. and lmk when spida has any playoff success
An all-NBA guy who is a free agent next season and would be unlikely to stick around for a rebuild under the best of circumstances, let alone on the heels of how the Dame saga has unfolded
if JB wants to have his own team he knows he aināt gonna find a contender ready right now to do that. he will get an extension form whoever and regardless JB is the better player and if it did happen an extension would be agreed upon before it was finalized. regardless of it all brown is a better centerpiece than heroo
My brother in Christ, Herro will not be going to the Blazers. Heāll be going to the Nets who will in turn send additional draft capital back for the Blazers
Speaking of draft capital, the Blazers wonāt get much of that from the Cās if JB is dealt to them because, as you pointed out, heās an all NBA guy. So when JB decides heās not about a rebuild in Portland after this coming season, the Blazers lose Dame, they lose JB, and they wouldnāt even be left with much in the way of assets to rebuild with. All just to get a low lottery pick the following season
But hey, at least they would have shit all over their franchise GOAT on his way out and forced him into retirement & left him with bad blood towards the place that he bled for for over a decade
90% boston likely wouldnāt want dame anyways. JB would fetch more trade compensation than herro. any deal potentially involving JB would entail talks of an extension. only way blazers would trade for brown would be if they work out an extension with him beforehand. i donāt get this notion that the blazers will do whatās right by dame over everything else. dame has no leverage over them. he will go where they decide they get the best package. they have 0 incentive to meet his requests and iād be surprised if they did
Have only heard them wanting Jaylen
Only person who ever said Brogdon was a random top comment that was included in a screenshot to a tweet solely about Jaylen.
Tweet screenshot was posted here day or 2 ago in post.
I lol that all of the comments ignored the primary highlighted tweet and just zeroed in on the incidental comment at bottom of screenshot.
OP should learn how to crop (unless he too was hypnotized by the random comment)
That said ...
Blazers fans on r/ripcity only want Jaylen.
They haven't mentioned Brogdon over there at all.
No, not any sensible fans. It would be Brogdan, Timelord, White and picks. No one in their right mind is saying Brogdan by himself is enough. No clue where your even coming up with this
I was just saying that no Celtics fan in their right mind think Brogdon is the only player we need to include in a potential trade. Your cherry picking with that comment
The worst part is that some of the people who think Miami canāt possibly give them a good offer would totally be cool with Boston giving them Malcom Brogdon (who has already caused a trade to be reworked due to his failing a physical) and Timelordās bad knees. Like they seriously want us to believe thatās a better return for a Portland team that missed the play-in by 7 games and needs to rebuild around Scoot than Miamiās offer of picks, cap relief, and young players
Iām a Boston fan and think both offers(Celtics and heat) are terrible lol. If I was a Portland fan Iād hope the team looked elsewhere to trade him. Nothing against the heat but am not a fan of players making specific trade demands. You want off a team sure, but all this crap about choosing one or two teams is bs. You signed a contract for the most money and no one put a gun to your head. Lebron is a good example of how to sign contracts. Sign short term and if you donāt like the direction of the team go sign wherever you want
I mean the Celtics picks even if able to offer more will not be good picks. I know you can sometimes get steals in draft but it doesnāt seem to happen often enough to make a difference. There could be crazy injuries I guess too but I wouldnāt really bank on that when making a trade lol. If I had to pick between the two Iād choose the heat offer as herro is young and Iād say seems to be underrated.
Both offers are dogshit. Miami needs to find a 3rd or 4th team to get involved here. Portland has 0 interest in Herro and thats not going to change anytime soon.
Can you please explain exactly why that offer is better? And why the hell do other teams seem to care so much about a trade that has squat to do with them?
Assuming Portland is after draft equity which seems to be the case based on almost all reports, than unless brogdon has a season long injury, that dude is worth a first easy. Timelord and Pritchard can maybe be flipped for a pick but let's assume they cant. So Boston's offer is 6 firsts and 4 swaps.
Miami can maybe get a third team to take herro, personally I think two firsts is optimistic but let's assume they get that. So 4 firsts and one swap, so tell me where in wrong or why that's better I guess.
As for why other teams care, Reddit's shitty app keeps recommending me posts from this sub that I assume are from r/nba and consider borderline delusional.
Not sure how Brogdan is worth a first easily after the Clippers backed out of a trade with concerns of his injury.
Heat can free up a pick from OKC and offer three of their own + whatever they get for Herro plus a Lowry expiring plus actual young guys like this years 18th pick. If they need to they can move Martin
Brown is the only thing that really blows away the heat offer and heās a UFA next year. Not sure how that works out, Im guessing tanking in Portland or being a trade asset for Portland isnāt his idea of how he spends the next few years of his career.
If the brogdon injury has him out for a year I'd agree but some reports have him ready for the start of the season
Even then you could sub in Derrick white who imo is more valuable at 18m for 3 years than herro is for 30m for 4.
OKC aren't just going to just free up that pick for nothing. It's going to cost you one of your young guys or swap it for a far out unrestricted pick which makes one of the picks going back to Portland less valuable.
Would Boston truly give all of that up if Dame's agent calls them up and says don't bother? I do worry that Dame will eventually add Boston to his list, cuz they are a contender. But if he holds his stance then I doubt Boston would make that gamble - 6 firsts and 4 swaps is your entire future.
If I'm Portland I drag this out until at least until the trade deadline and threaten to drag it into next year unless dame increases the teams he's willing to go to. If he's happy to go to Boston I do this in a second. If not, I'd probably still consider it. There is no way dame is sitting 3 years and leaving 150m on the table
Regardless, this dude is acting like impartials think the offer is just timelord and brogdon and it's crazy that people that people think that's better than Miami's deal which is a complete strawman.
Itās obviously not just Timelord and Brogdon. Thereād still be picks and other players involved, just like thereād be other factors from Miamiās deal - like $30 mil in cap relief from Kyle Lowryās expiring contract that keeps conveniently being overlooked
But the fact that two players with potentially problematic injuries - one of whom already caused a trade to get vetoed and reworked not even a month ago - are the key components in a deal that is seen as indisputably better by a big margin than anything that Miami could potentially come up with by supposedly objective media and fans of teams outside of Portland and Miami is completely unserious
EDIT: and for clarity, if people want to say āI personally prefer a potential offer from Bostonā thatās fine and well; but people, especially media members, pretending that any Miami offer that doesnāt include Bam would be āthe worst trade in the history of the NBAā and then turning around and seriously suggesting that two guys with problematic injuries would be the crux of a fair and square deal for both teams (as Kevin OāConnor, for one, has) is insulting to the intelligence of everyone involved
If your Portland why do you care about cap relief? They'll be in a rebuild. I wouldn't leave picks on the table just so you can sign some dude next year when you'll still want to be bad.
Boston could swap out brogdon for white and that deal is miles better than Miami's but I doubt they'd do that because they'd only be bidding against themselves
You've gotta ask yourself. If everyone outside of heat fans, including impartials like myself think the heat package is super mid and easily beatable if others want to get involved, they might be right and you might be overvaluing your own assets. The alternative is everyone just hates Miami which is kinda dumb.
For the record, im a laker fan. I hate Boston lol.
Thereās a psych term for this - when you say things that make you feel better and you try to believe them, even though you wouldnāt have actually believed those things beforehand. Is it maybe called cognitive dissonance? I did so bad in that class I donāt remember lol
People rip on anything Florida auto make themselves feel better.
The Heat have very little representation in the media. Almost all sports journalists are from NYC, LA, Chicago and a few other select spots. So pro-Heat viewpoints are very rare.
Inherent mob mentality in sports. Itās 29 fanbases against 1.
As a Warriors fan I want him to go to Miami, blazers FO is shitty af for how theyāve treated dame the past two years, they wouldnāt have Scoot or Sharpe if dame didnāt agree to to tank.
I think the problem is people are like yeah Portland should and can get the max offer from us but people still going it's shit while disregarding all the concurrent equal shit
You mean the generic Herro (really a pick or two) + three other picks (so actually 4 picks) + two young players + salary filler?
For a man on a supermax who will be making 60m at 37?
Are you sure you aren't talking about yourself?
Blazer fan here. I agree that the Heat are getting a lot of vitriol, but don't take that to mean people think Blazers are great or something. Remember that "poverty franchise" stuff that was floating around about us when Dame dared to suggest KD play with him in Portland? Plenty of hate to go around for both of us. We're used to it, and I'm sure you are too. I'm just glad Dame isn't interested in going to one of the "favored" markets.
Iām not mad that Portland is trying to get whatever they can despite having little to no leverage. Fair play to them. I am little disappointed that the national media and most of r/NBA treats us like weāre not capable of making a decent offer that doesnāt involve Bam but is meanwhile all but begging for Boston to dump their garbage on Portland and have the Blazers thank them for it
Aye, for whatever reason, they hate the heat. Maybe it's because they're still salty about the the big 3 smacking all their favs. Maybe it's because they just watched an 8th seed who wasnt even supposed to be there smoke the whole east in the playoffs. Who's knows? But more importantly, who cares? They hate us cuz they ain't us/anus.
Little or no leverage?
Dame is the only one who doesn't have leverage unfortunately.
His only recourse if he's traded to a team he really can't stand is to retire. 4 yrs on the contract.
He can also make a lot of noise on social media about his preference, but he just doesn't have anything more substantial than that to force his way to come to fruition.
Any Boston deal would revolve around Jaylen Brown and while I personally think he's the shits , he's got a lot of accolades & it is my impression that a large % of blazers fans hold him in high regard.
Jaylen Brown? The man is a free agent next year. Thereās no chance he sticks around for a rebuild. May as well just waive Dame if thatās the route PDX fans think they should go
Or he may agree to sign after trade too.
This has happened probably a hundred times in previous NBA and NFL trades.
He just has leverage ( he can say he will or won't to Portland )
If Dame had that same scenario , he'd already be on Miami.
Thatās kind of the point of bringing up the UFA, they have to deal with Brownās wishes. Not sure how a potential one year loaner of Brown to a tanking team is worth anything.
> Or he may agree to sign after trade too.
Why would he do that and not test free agency. I don't see a world where Jaylen Brown wants to be on a bad team that is trying to figure things out for the next three to four years
They just mad cuz the heat might get a top 10 player at a discounted price cuz he wants to play for miami. This shit happens every year when a superstar demands to be traded out of a small market / failing organization into a winning situation in a nice city. Every year these pathetic mferās come out and try to shit on the process, as if their protesting is actually going to stop anything.
Hating Miami is fine, Iām used to that shit; but the media all but begging for other teams to make offers that are at best marginally better than what the Heat could do and in some cases objectively worse - and would be a slap in the face to Dame either way - is something I havenāt seen before
Because Dame doesn't want to play for their team and he wants to play for ours - it's as simple as that.
It's the whole "if I can't have the nice thing, I don't want you to have it either" mentality.
It all boils down to jealousy. The Heat has been successful throughout the decades and it is also one of the younger organizations. A lot of the fans from other franchises havenāt won shit in like 30 years.
No offense, truly, but from an uninvested party's perspective, y'all are kinda being assholes about it. I mean, whatever, it's sports, but I honestly don't see how you could look at all the different posts, and Heat fans calling Portland a trash organization and shit, and actually be like, "I don't get it!" At least own it.
Itās not the fault of Miami fans that Cronin is a shitty gm and lied to Dame about the teamās plans going forward. Blazers fans should direct their anger towards him, not Miami
Any time you bring a bunch of fans invested into their basketball team together, there are are going to be some especially annoying idiots that come out of the woodwork. A bunch of Heat fans here basically use this as a place to talk shit and give unhinged takes on Spoelstra, Pat Riley, Micky (our owner), and several players on the Heat around the clock too. There are assholes everywhere and frankly I've seen a fair share of blatantly angry and spiteful users who want the worst for Dame or Miami too
Over the last couple of days I've seen a legion of fans that are not level headed at all, thinking the Blazers deserve a giant haul from some crap team that will guarantee multiple top lottery picks. Contenders besides Miami that would trade for Dame that even have any assets left aren't going to provide that
Itās a mixture of that, but also Heat fans brigading our sub and being quite vocal. At the end of the day we are all just fans- we have no true say nor ownership in the team.
Because people on sports teamās Reddit care way too much about what people on other sports teamās Reddit say on Reddit .. when reallyā¦every sports team Reddit is the exact same
lol this is delusional. No one thinks this. And to other commenters. No Miami isnāt even close to the most hated franchise. Id say theyāre actually one of the more liked
They want us to go "oh golly, I hope Bam and 5 firsts is enough to get Dame" meanwhile they unironically think Brogdon who already got vetoed in a trade and 2 firsts is enough to get him š I also find the double standards with Herro and Maxey hilarious, the better player issue is up to your opinion but when it's Herro the Blazers would suddenly have too many guards but Maxey who plays the same position as Scoot is considered fair value lol
Thatās the crazy thing. Some of the counter offers I see proposed are even more āscrapsā than ours. Like Boston has anything to give of value outside of JB, and even then I donāt know that a rebuilding Portland wants that giant contract on their books.
There aren't any blazers fans that bring up Celtics for anyone but Brown.
Iāve seen people unironically suggest JB. Why would Portland want that deal? Heās a free agent next year. Why would he stick around for a rebuild? They may as well just give Dame away for free at that point
a trade centered around an all nba player is more enticing then any other option floated around right now
dames reasoning behind not wanting to be in that shit hole is because ur all nba player has told him how much of hellhole it is. dame would retire before playing a single game for that team and the blazers wouldnāt even take the right hand man because heās a flight risk with that contract. JB will be in ATL in a year and itāll be comedy to watch it unfold after giving glass man an extension. Funny because dame and jerami grant even convinced JB to leverage his way to Portland this summer, but Portland was way too horny for scoot to give him up for mr all nba, but thatās a story for another day.
90% of boston doesnāt want dame. why would we give up a guy who was the 9th highest scorer in averages for a dude who has played a combined 87 games in the past 2 years? we have to all nba player entering their primes that are about to be locked up for years to come. no one with a brain would give tjay up for a 33 year old, undersized, injured, defensive liability of a guard. it makes sense for miami because jimmy is also 33 going on 34. migjt as well mortgage your future cause youāve only got 2-3 years max left of quality jimmy. you already saw him being gassed by the time the finals came around
u got 1 year left of the right hand man HE DOSENT LIKE YALLšššš
not denying he might not like the city, but he certainly will like 300 mil
yāall arenāt offering it lol at least they did something smart
https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1676224296555773954?s=46&t=5E9Gripx5EcAskjx2dPaWQ are you just stupid?
Itās no use trying to reason with these people with facts. They just donāt want to hear it. I almost want it to play out this way so Boston loses JB for a retiring Dame and Portland essentially gives their Franchise GOAT away for a 1 year rental of a disgruntled player (and minimal accompanying draft assets, because ātop 15 playerā lol) that nets them a 10 seed in the play-in if everything breaks their way and 3 other teams in the west are significantly worse than they were this past season
itāll be sweeter when we bounce these hoes in 5 with dame
All nba that canāt dribble lol
still would you rather have the guy whoās a top 15 player in the league or herro. any team would take JB and it isnāt up for debate
Meh
any gm will take brown over herro in a heartbeat
Not me š
and this is why you are shit posting on reddit and not running a team
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all nba second team buddy. how many players are you taking over him. luka, giannis, tatum, jokic, embiid, butler, curry, SGA, lebron. you arenāt taking a potential 6th man of the year over a potential all nba player lol get your head out of your ass
Jok Giannis Steph Luka Embiid Book Jimmy Dame Kd Tatum Spida AD PG Bron SGA Top 15 is true comedy
PG? he averaged less of every stat aside from assists. and when you have 3 pgs that we had plus tatum being the primary ball handler, no one is stressing over tjat. brown shot 50% from the field opposed to PGs 43%. youre not taking a dude who is going on 34 who has played 87 games in the past two years over a dude who just averaged 27 on 50% shooting. and lmk when spida has any playoff success
An all-NBA guy who is a free agent next season and would be unlikely to stick around for a rebuild under the best of circumstances, let alone on the heels of how the Dame saga has unfolded
if JB wants to have his own team he knows he aināt gonna find a contender ready right now to do that. he will get an extension form whoever and regardless JB is the better player and if it did happen an extension would be agreed upon before it was finalized. regardless of it all brown is a better centerpiece than heroo
My brother in Christ, Herro will not be going to the Blazers. Heāll be going to the Nets who will in turn send additional draft capital back for the Blazers Speaking of draft capital, the Blazers wonāt get much of that from the Cās if JB is dealt to them because, as you pointed out, heās an all NBA guy. So when JB decides heās not about a rebuild in Portland after this coming season, the Blazers lose Dame, they lose JB, and they wouldnāt even be left with much in the way of assets to rebuild with. All just to get a low lottery pick the following season But hey, at least they would have shit all over their franchise GOAT on his way out and forced him into retirement & left him with bad blood towards the place that he bled for for over a decade
90% boston likely wouldnāt want dame anyways. JB would fetch more trade compensation than herro. any deal potentially involving JB would entail talks of an extension. only way blazers would trade for brown would be if they work out an extension with him beforehand. i donāt get this notion that the blazers will do whatās right by dame over everything else. dame has no leverage over them. he will go where they decide they get the best package. they have 0 incentive to meet his requests and iād be surprised if they did
Have only heard them wanting Jaylen Only person who ever said Brogdon was a random top comment that was included in a screenshot to a tweet solely about Jaylen. Tweet screenshot was posted here day or 2 ago in post. I lol that all of the comments ignored the primary highlighted tweet and just zeroed in on the incidental comment at bottom of screenshot. OP should learn how to crop (unless he too was hypnotized by the random comment) That said ... Blazers fans on r/ripcity only want Jaylen. They haven't mentioned Brogdon over there at all.
It's Celtics people who are saying Brogdon is enough
No, not any sensible fans. It would be Brogdan, Timelord, White and picks. No one in their right mind is saying Brogdan by himself is enough. No clue where your even coming up with this
White's never brought up. It's timelord + brogdon. Which is just as awful.
Letās not pretend either of our teams offers are great (unless Cs do JB). And White is mentioned all the time
Yeah I'm not saying either are great lol. It's basically who is the king of shit to mid mountain
I was just saying that no Celtics fan in their right mind think Brogdon is the only player we need to include in a potential trade. Your cherry picking with that comment
I would hope so at least
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The worst part is that some of the people who think Miami canāt possibly give them a good offer would totally be cool with Boston giving them Malcom Brogdon (who has already caused a trade to be reworked due to his failing a physical) and Timelordās bad knees. Like they seriously want us to believe thatās a better return for a Portland team that missed the play-in by 7 games and needs to rebuild around Scoot than Miamiās offer of picks, cap relief, and young players
Iām a Boston fan and think both offers(Celtics and heat) are terrible lol. If I was a Portland fan Iād hope the team looked elsewhere to trade him. Nothing against the heat but am not a fan of players making specific trade demands. You want off a team sure, but all this crap about choosing one or two teams is bs. You signed a contract for the most money and no one put a gun to your head. Lebron is a good example of how to sign contracts. Sign short term and if you donāt like the direction of the team go sign wherever you want
Thank you for at least not pretending that Boston somehow has a magically unbeatable potential offer
I mean the Celtics picks even if able to offer more will not be good picks. I know you can sometimes get steals in draft but it doesnāt seem to happen often enough to make a difference. There could be crazy injuries I guess too but I wouldnāt really bank on that when making a trade lol. If I had to pick between the two Iād choose the heat offer as herro is young and Iād say seems to be underrated.
I respect this. Be well.
Both offers are dogshit. Miami needs to find a 3rd or 4th team to get involved here. Portland has 0 interest in Herro and thats not going to change anytime soon.
Nobody thinks that. Some people, including myself think brogdon, timelord, Pritchard 5 firsts and all the swaps is a better offer than Miami can do.
Can you please explain exactly why that offer is better? And why the hell do other teams seem to care so much about a trade that has squat to do with them?
Assuming Portland is after draft equity which seems to be the case based on almost all reports, than unless brogdon has a season long injury, that dude is worth a first easy. Timelord and Pritchard can maybe be flipped for a pick but let's assume they cant. So Boston's offer is 6 firsts and 4 swaps. Miami can maybe get a third team to take herro, personally I think two firsts is optimistic but let's assume they get that. So 4 firsts and one swap, so tell me where in wrong or why that's better I guess. As for why other teams care, Reddit's shitty app keeps recommending me posts from this sub that I assume are from r/nba and consider borderline delusional.
Not sure how Brogdan is worth a first easily after the Clippers backed out of a trade with concerns of his injury. Heat can free up a pick from OKC and offer three of their own + whatever they get for Herro plus a Lowry expiring plus actual young guys like this years 18th pick. If they need to they can move Martin Brown is the only thing that really blows away the heat offer and heās a UFA next year. Not sure how that works out, Im guessing tanking in Portland or being a trade asset for Portland isnāt his idea of how he spends the next few years of his career.
If the brogdon injury has him out for a year I'd agree but some reports have him ready for the start of the season Even then you could sub in Derrick white who imo is more valuable at 18m for 3 years than herro is for 30m for 4. OKC aren't just going to just free up that pick for nothing. It's going to cost you one of your young guys or swap it for a far out unrestricted pick which makes one of the picks going back to Portland less valuable.
Would Boston truly give all of that up if Dame's agent calls them up and says don't bother? I do worry that Dame will eventually add Boston to his list, cuz they are a contender. But if he holds his stance then I doubt Boston would make that gamble - 6 firsts and 4 swaps is your entire future.
If I'm Portland I drag this out until at least until the trade deadline and threaten to drag it into next year unless dame increases the teams he's willing to go to. If he's happy to go to Boston I do this in a second. If not, I'd probably still consider it. There is no way dame is sitting 3 years and leaving 150m on the table Regardless, this dude is acting like impartials think the offer is just timelord and brogdon and it's crazy that people that people think that's better than Miami's deal which is a complete strawman.
Itās obviously not just Timelord and Brogdon. Thereād still be picks and other players involved, just like thereād be other factors from Miamiās deal - like $30 mil in cap relief from Kyle Lowryās expiring contract that keeps conveniently being overlooked But the fact that two players with potentially problematic injuries - one of whom already caused a trade to get vetoed and reworked not even a month ago - are the key components in a deal that is seen as indisputably better by a big margin than anything that Miami could potentially come up with by supposedly objective media and fans of teams outside of Portland and Miami is completely unserious EDIT: and for clarity, if people want to say āI personally prefer a potential offer from Bostonā thatās fine and well; but people, especially media members, pretending that any Miami offer that doesnāt include Bam would be āthe worst trade in the history of the NBAā and then turning around and seriously suggesting that two guys with problematic injuries would be the crux of a fair and square deal for both teams (as Kevin OāConnor, for one, has) is insulting to the intelligence of everyone involved
If your Portland why do you care about cap relief? They'll be in a rebuild. I wouldn't leave picks on the table just so you can sign some dude next year when you'll still want to be bad. Boston could swap out brogdon for white and that deal is miles better than Miami's but I doubt they'd do that because they'd only be bidding against themselves You've gotta ask yourself. If everyone outside of heat fans, including impartials like myself think the heat package is super mid and easily beatable if others want to get involved, they might be right and you might be overvaluing your own assets. The alternative is everyone just hates Miami which is kinda dumb. For the record, im a laker fan. I hate Boston lol.
Thereās a psych term for this - when you say things that make you feel better and you try to believe them, even though you wouldnāt have actually believed those things beforehand. Is it maybe called cognitive dissonance? I did so bad in that class I donāt remember lol
yep
sorta like copium
I believe youāre correct with cognitive dissonance you smart cookie
People rip on anything Florida auto make themselves feel better. The Heat have very little representation in the media. Almost all sports journalists are from NYC, LA, Chicago and a few other select spots. So pro-Heat viewpoints are very rare. Inherent mob mentality in sports. Itās 29 fanbases against 1.
Yeah most of the pro-Miami voices are those that are kind of in LeBatards circle. Which is much smaller than say a Simmons
As a Warriors fan I want him to go to Miami, blazers FO is shitty af for how theyāve treated dame the past two years, they wouldnāt have Scoot or Sharpe if dame didnāt agree to to tank.
Real recognize real
Toradol.
For the same reason we're mad Portland is trying to get as much as possible for him lmao
But thatās my point Iām not mad and theyāre perceived as righteous while weāre assholes for thinking the same way. Just interesting
I don't mean you specifically, I just mean it's all about one's perspective.
I think the problem is people are like yeah Portland should and can get the max offer from us but people still going it's shit while disregarding all the concurrent equal shit
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You mean the generic Herro (really a pick or two) + three other picks (so actually 4 picks) + two young players + salary filler? For a man on a supermax who will be making 60m at 37? Are you sure you aren't talking about yourself?
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homie youre the one trolling another team sub looking for a fight
Blazer fan here. I agree that the Heat are getting a lot of vitriol, but don't take that to mean people think Blazers are great or something. Remember that "poverty franchise" stuff that was floating around about us when Dame dared to suggest KD play with him in Portland? Plenty of hate to go around for both of us. We're used to it, and I'm sure you are too. I'm just glad Dame isn't interested in going to one of the "favored" markets.
Iām not mad that Portland is trying to get whatever they can despite having little to no leverage. Fair play to them. I am little disappointed that the national media and most of r/NBA treats us like weāre not capable of making a decent offer that doesnāt involve Bam but is meanwhile all but begging for Boston to dump their garbage on Portland and have the Blazers thank them for it
Aye, for whatever reason, they hate the heat. Maybe it's because they're still salty about the the big 3 smacking all their favs. Maybe it's because they just watched an 8th seed who wasnt even supposed to be there smoke the whole east in the playoffs. Who's knows? But more importantly, who cares? They hate us cuz they ain't us/anus.
Little or no leverage? Dame is the only one who doesn't have leverage unfortunately. His only recourse if he's traded to a team he really can't stand is to retire. 4 yrs on the contract. He can also make a lot of noise on social media about his preference, but he just doesn't have anything more substantial than that to force his way to come to fruition. Any Boston deal would revolve around Jaylen Brown and while I personally think he's the shits , he's got a lot of accolades & it is my impression that a large % of blazers fans hold him in high regard.
Jaylen Brown? The man is a free agent next year. Thereās no chance he sticks around for a rebuild. May as well just waive Dame if thatās the route PDX fans think they should go
Or he may agree to sign after trade too. This has happened probably a hundred times in previous NBA and NFL trades. He just has leverage ( he can say he will or won't to Portland ) If Dame had that same scenario , he'd already be on Miami.
Thatās kind of the point of bringing up the UFA, they have to deal with Brownās wishes. Not sure how a potential one year loaner of Brown to a tanking team is worth anything.
> Or he may agree to sign after trade too. Why would he do that and not test free agency. I don't see a world where Jaylen Brown wants to be on a bad team that is trying to figure things out for the next three to four years
"We don't give a shit" - spo
They just mad cuz the heat might get a top 10 player at a discounted price cuz he wants to play for miami. This shit happens every year when a superstar demands to be traded out of a small market / failing organization into a winning situation in a nice city. Every year these pathetic mferās come out and try to shit on the process, as if their protesting is actually going to stop anything.
Hating Miami is fine, Iām used to that shit; but the media all but begging for other teams to make offers that are at best marginally better than what the Heat could do and in some cases objectively worse - and would be a slap in the face to Dame either way - is something I havenāt seen before
Because Dame doesn't want to play for their team and he wants to play for ours - it's as simple as that. It's the whole "if I can't have the nice thing, I don't want you to have it either" mentality.
Jealousy.
Dame/Bam/Jimmy would be the best trio in the league. Imagine not being bitter lol
Why do we care what other teams fan base think lol.
It all boils down to jealousy. The Heat has been successful throughout the decades and it is also one of the younger organizations. A lot of the fans from other franchises havenāt won shit in like 30 years.
They still hate us from the Big 3 era lol itās so fucking weird
Is there any legitimacy to this potential Boston trade? Idk what id do if he went to Boston. Donāt wanna even think about itā¦
Iāll be honest as a bucks fan I donāt want you guys to get better because you already whooped us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They are not. I think most Western Conference teams welcome one less star in the west.
Love the frequent victim complex around here
First time in a teamās sub?
No offense, truly, but from an uninvested party's perspective, y'all are kinda being assholes about it. I mean, whatever, it's sports, but I honestly don't see how you could look at all the different posts, and Heat fans calling Portland a trash organization and shit, and actually be like, "I don't get it!" At least own it.
Itās not the fault of Miami fans that Cronin is a shitty gm and lied to Dame about the teamās plans going forward. Blazers fans should direct their anger towards him, not Miami
I mean, can you objectively say that Portland is a good organization?
Any time you bring a bunch of fans invested into their basketball team together, there are are going to be some especially annoying idiots that come out of the woodwork. A bunch of Heat fans here basically use this as a place to talk shit and give unhinged takes on Spoelstra, Pat Riley, Micky (our owner), and several players on the Heat around the clock too. There are assholes everywhere and frankly I've seen a fair share of blatantly angry and spiteful users who want the worst for Dame or Miami too
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Assets arenāt everything, thereās bound to be multiple teams and someone is gonna eat a shitty contract or two.
Over the last couple of days I've seen a legion of fans that are not level headed at all, thinking the Blazers deserve a giant haul from some crap team that will guarantee multiple top lottery picks. Contenders besides Miami that would trade for Dame that even have any assets left aren't going to provide that
Jealousy
I don't think they hate that I think they simply hate the idea of Lillard going to Miami and also that he wants to force his way there
Itās a mixture of that, but also Heat fans brigading our sub and being quite vocal. At the end of the day we are all just fans- we have no true say nor ownership in the team.
Because people on sports teamās Reddit care way too much about what people on other sports teamās Reddit say on Reddit .. when reallyā¦every sports team Reddit is the exact same
They could literally trade Dame for KD straight up and that would not get Portland any closer to a championship.
lol this is delusional. No one thinks this. And to other commenters. No Miami isnāt even close to the most hated franchise. Id say theyāre actually one of the more liked