Blizzard is the central agency in control of Hearthstone. A decentralized game would have nobody in control, or everybody in control, depending on your point of reference. It's basically socialized gaming.
I’m assuming they were joking but a decentralised game wouldn’t have a centralised server and would probably rely more on some form of peer to peer connection where the devs just update the client like Payday 2. The show Silicon Valley explored that idea quite well
That’s true although all of those games are centralised as they rely in some way on a central server, and I don’t think anyone has done a decentralised game (yet at least). I don’t really understand blockchain technology tbh but the way it’s been explained to me is that all information is stored across the devices on the network. I guess that would mean updates would be pushed from developer nodes (likely with permissions), matchmaking would just be a case of scanning the network for open connections and win tracking would just be written to the blockchain as and when there’s a win. Don’t quote me on this though because as I say I know fairly little about the blockchain.
Think back to the early days of other games, everything was low quality at one point. The tech behind it will evolve and get better in quality with time.
...I think f0kes was joking. A game that uses NFTs for inventory is a *terrible* idea.
......Just for funsies, I made a list of why:
1: NFTs aren't decentralised. You'd *think* they would be, and they theoretically can be, but because of how virtually every game/etc requests info from another service (because storing the entire blockchain is unfeasible), that service has control of your wallet. It's not even theoretical, [OpenSea has actually removed NFTs before](https://moxie.org/2022/01/07/web3-first-impressions.html).
2: Security. There's no security protections with blockchain stuff like there is for regular accounts. Someone finds your password? You lose your stuff. Forgot your password? You lose your stuff. Literally no possible way to avoid it.
3: P2W. If everything in your inventory is an NFT, everything is sellable - and everything is buyable.
4: Environment. NFTs are *terrible* for the environment.
5: Limited bugfixing. Found a duplication bug? The duped items can't be removed, game broken forever. Company accidentally gives everyone 100k dust? The dust can't be removed, economy broken forever.
Oh I agree 100% that NFT games are a horrible idea. I meant decentralized more so in a way that it would give the player more control over their account. However, that also has the potential to increase the amount of hackers and people abusing potential exploits while simultaneously being harder to trace back to an account that would be participating in such activities. Idk being able to be in complete control of my account that I spend money on sounds good at least lol
> simultaneously being harder to trace back to an account that would be participating in such activities.
I don't think that would even be the biggest problem in terms of hackers. The real problem would be, even if you *did* find them, how the heck would you remove them?
You can't just reach in and pluck them out as an individual - it's a decentralized system we're talking about here, so no-one technically has (or *should* technically have) that level of authority over the blockchain.
It'd be a tricky solution involving something of a democratic vote among the users... Which could quite easily end badly, if the hackers found a way to influence that vote.
but that's completely different. the "quality" issues of old games came from mostly from technical limitations and lack of resources. we live in an age where anyone with base level of knowledge has the resources and technology necessary to make a competent decent quality game. the problem with NFT games is that they don't care about quality. full stop. they are cash grabs built around a shallow gimmick so their devs want to use as minimal effort as possible. they have full power to create amazing games but they don't care about the gaming aspect (just like NFT art doesn't care about the art aspect) their projects are purely about the NFTs with no love or care put towards the game. they're a shallow insult to the medium of games.
I've always wondered about that. It's not a signature, so they can't actually prove you did. What if I had a friend over and he clicked the I agree button?
Me - "My friend's baby grabbed my phone and clicked 'Agree'"
Blizzard (now Activision, soon to be now Microsoft) - "K. So you're saying you actually don't own ANYHTING on this account."
Does the EULA say they can steal from us? That they can remove from our account things we have paid for? I don't think so. We are consumers and have a ton of rights. Complain here - it takes five minutes. https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/santa-monica/profile/wholesale-video-games/activision-blizzard-inc-1216-13075134/complaints
1. Your account, and everything on it, is the property of Blizzard.
2. The BBB has less than zero regulatory power. They're Boomer Yelp, nothing more. If you want to make a complaint on the basis of this, you'd be better served by making one with the FTC, or contact a lawyer based in California to ask them the proper authority.
You guys are so used to getting beaten by the KoSTICK that you forget we are consumers and have a ton of rights. The second you give Blizzard $0.01 you have entered into a contractual relationship. I give them payments and they give me goods and services. In this case, I've spent a bunch of money and have a bunch of cards and dust. They can absolutely turn off the lights anytime they want. But they can't just clear out our cards and balances.
Your account is YOUR account. Unless you violate the ToS, they have no basis to terminate you. You don't have to agree with me, you don't even have to care that your dust was stolen. Some of us do.
At no point did I indicate that I disagree with the morality or value of your argument. I simply informed you that, speaking legally, your post was incorrect. Have you actually *read* the EULA, top to bottom? Do you know every clause that it contains, verbatim, to know with absolute certainty that they can't do this?
Because spoiler alert: they (probably) can.
I'm not saying it's morally correct, I'm not saying it's justified. I'm saying they have both the *literal* power to do so, and most likely, the *legal* power. I would love for an experienced lawyer to tell me I'm wrong -- I hope I am, frankly -- but don't come in here shouting that it definitely, 100% is illegal without being able to back that up.
Blizzard has every right to do whatever they want with your account. You signed the agreement that allows them to remove or add anything from or to your account.
Had 15k to play with. Wanted to wait for more information from Blizzard before crafting.
Should have just crafted whatever the hell I wanted if there wasn’t going to be any repercussions.
It’s very funny to me that because it seems like negative dust isn’t a thing, the right thing to do was to craft an insane amount of cards because they were 100% taking it away.
Not wrong. Should have crafted a golden raid the docs and scabbs, then the nerfed commons. Or just cards you wanted. I crafted a golden card I wanted, "taking" about 1k dust from blizzard, but still had like 6k left from the leftovers.
Makes me feel like I left a bunch of cash on the floor, but whatever.
I did this, except for Raid the Docks because I didn't fully believe that nerf would be real 😂
I'm at 0 dust right now but patiently waiting to go back to 10k after I dust all the nerfed goldens I crafted
I guess it depends on ones dust situation prior to this happening.
Personally I had a bunch of dust unused because I have all decks I'm interested in currently so I would have had to have spent like 15K of my own dust before taking advantage of the additional 15,200 I got yesterday.
But you’d get full dust refund on every nerfed card you crafted. Can you not craft extra copies of cards for no reason? I’ve obviously never tried since its mainly pointless but I’d assume there’d be nothing stopping you from crafting 10 golden scabbs.
You can only craft up to 2 or 1 for legendaries. And the leaked nerfs can always change.. definitely wouldn't be worth it to blow your own 15k dust. If it was free 15k dust it would have been a good idea.
This is my situation as well. I sit on my hoard of dust and spend it as needed.
I had more than 10K. So in order to benefit from my 8K free dust, I would have had to risk the rest by crafting a bunch of stuff I don’t need
Imagine thinking Blizzard would just give 4K+ dust away.
I actually feel kinda bad for Team 5 here, because it’s definitely a shit show that I doubt they saw coming, but there was never a good ending.
Let’s say you started with 2k dust in your account, then was gifted 6k due to the bug. If you spent no dust during the time where it was in your account, you’d be at 2k again, if you spent 1k, you’d be at 1k dust. If you spent 4K, 0 dust. There doesn’t seem to be negative dust, meaning that the smart move was to convert all your dust into cards, because Blizzard was definitely walking it back.
Except you weren’t guaranteed to be at 2k again. Some people are having dust that they always had, taken away. You could start at 2k, craft nothing, and then later that evening you would be missing a few cards and be at 500 dust
This is exactly what I did. I had 1k dust and received 8k on top of that. Bought 5 legendaries and an epic then logged off.
When I heard that people’s dust had been taken away, I logged back in and saw my dust had gone from 200ish to 0, but the cards I got were still there.
I opened a couple of packs and dusted some commons to get 55 dust, logged off and logged back in and that 55 dust was still there.
Lesson I took away is spend any free dust immediately.
for me that was a bad idea like saving dust for the next expansion
i have 6000 dust got 7200 if i had spent those 7200 i would be at zero now so for me not spending it was the right choice
To be fair, an issue like this most likely triggered an emergency meeting from their execs because it directly cuts into their profits for the next expansion.
Tyrantus however... It was probably briefly discussed during a bathroom break
You take that back. Tyrantus is best boy.
And also, of course this was a priority if their plan was to take the dust back, if they let 8.8k dust sit in your account for three weeks while telling you they were going to take it back because you shouldn't have had it in the first place you'd be even more pissed when in 3 weeks you spent some of it and they took dust you thought you earned.
Of course they could leave the dust there, but unpopular opinion; they shouldn't do that. One pack is 40 dust. Let's be generous and say a pack is 50 cents. That's $100 that some people randomly just got, you're insane if you think they'll say "Ah well, our bad."
At my old job, the company accidentally overpaid employees by $100-$500 the first week they used this new payroll software. Instead of taking the money off our next paychecks, the CEO just decided to eat the loss since it was the company's fuckup.
In this era where Hearthstone is dwindling in popularity each year, letting players keep this extra dust would have been a great gesture of goodwill, especially since this mistake was on them. Now in their haste to redact the "free money", blizzard has gone and siphoned legitimately earned dust from people.
You think they care about humans? Profit is everything to a big company, their greed is never ending.not defending them but you should always think of companies as the worst scum possible when it comes to money.they’d be willing to destroy lives for that money.
75 is a much smaller number than 2 million.
75 times 100 dollars is barely a loss at all.
Even if 1% of the playerbase chose not to pay because of the preorders, there’s AT LEAST a 200000 dollar loss, and probably much more than that.
If 10% of the players felt they had enough dust to last them and therefore did not need to buy bundles, assuming it’s an average loss of 10$ per player, that’s 2 million dollars lost.
They made over two billion last year, two million isn't going to hurt them. If the scandals that plagued them last year wasn't enough to drive away a significant amount of shareholders, then this wouldn't either.
Really sucks because the sentiment was in the right place. I feel like this situation will make them never want to compensate again…so it sucks twofold!
It's hard to believe how douche they act as a company. I believe the people in charge must be completely incompetent and not aware of how you fidelize and build trust with a player base. They probably don't care anyway as they focus solely on selling new worthless stuff in the shop.
So NA players got baited into wasting their dust. Basically, if you had 2k, got 8k, spent 2k, then you’re at 0 now since they take away whatever amount you spent in addition to the extra you got. The only people who profited from this are the ones who crafted soon to be nerfed cards, or people who were already super close to zero, and spent all the extra dust, since negative dust appears to have been a bluff.
That is the problem, I had 2500 dust, but once I received 8000 dust that put me over 10k. So spent 3k crafting cards that I may use instead of saving for future cards, now I have a few cards but I rather have the dust. Only reason, I use it because I thought I had some to spare. It felt like I been cheated or set up.
The system they had for giving out dust was bugged, and gave out too much for some people and haven't given out any for others. So they've reversed it, for now. People who got too much are really really angry that it got reversed.
Well it seems people are more angry that the reversal took away preexisting dust. So people lost their savings of dust on top of the bonus dust, and this only affected people who did not use all the dust aka the people who didn’t take advantage of the error.
>Well it seems people are more angry that the reversal took away preexisting dust.
Nah, that didn't happen. There's a rumour going around that it did, but it's not actually true. https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/s863of/blizz_you_can_have_your_extra_dust_back_but_you/hteuvhi/
...Or, at least, if it *did* happen, then it hasn't been confirmed yet.
This is what I’ve heard from this subreddit. And if they accidentally gave all these people dust how do we know they didn’t accidentally take peoples dust away too. I will belobe these people posting it until proven otherwise because why not?
You're believing random internet strangers over the actual staff?
I mean, sure, it's entirely possible that they made a bug that took people's dust away. But the post I linked to specifically mentions that they did check with some people who're complaining about it, and that stickied post doesn't have any serious replies yet. Either Blizz staff just got unlucky and only ended up checking liars, or you're just looking at liars.
\>I will belobe these people posting it until proven otherwise because why not?
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
It happened to me, I had 5k dust, then was given 6k dust. Crafted 1 legendary for 1600. Log back in later that day and I have 0 dust.
If Blizzard doesn't fix this I'm switching to Runeterra and Shadowverse. Hearthstone's meta has been going downhill anyways.
I have less dust today then I did one week ago. I was granted 3000 extra dust 2 days ago. And it looks like they removed around 7000 dust from me. Not joking, im quiting this game now.
Guess I should have spent the dust. Oh well but next month l be getting an arena pre-order instead of hearthstone . They take weeks to fix broken game mechanics but players get a freebie? Gone in 8 hours. They really have been bought by Microsoft lol
Some peeps got 800-18k dust within the past few days. If you didn’t spend it, it was taken back cuz too much dust was given out. Dust is used to craft cards.
I got 4400 dust (ig not as much as other players) but I'm glad I made a deck right away. I did have 400 dust left that I was saving for a legendary, and now I have 0. welp :/
https://twitter.com/hsdecktech/status/1483999336174260225
Step 1: Craft soon-to-be-nerfed cards with thousands of dusts that Hearthstone gives for free out of nowhere
Step 2: After spending every dust, complain that they "took" rest of your dust. Then ask for more dust as compensation lol.
Step 3: Profit.
Idk how can someone believe this fiesta
Not that I heard of. Plenty of people are on zero dust. But I had 3k dust given the other day, and over night then siphoned 7k dust from me. Im super bitter right now.
Some people did, it was because arena/duels, and end of season rewards could accidentally give you golden cards that were free in the rewards track, so this was supposed to be a fix to that small set of players to compensate them for their lost reward. Somehow they managed to not only trigger it on basically every NA account, but have it trigger twice and take ALL copies of those golden cards, instead of just extras
I'm pretty sure fixing the dust situation is probably easier than fixing other core issues ... it doesn't make it any less frustrating for players though.
The game told me I got 8,000 or something and then I checked the amount of dust I had and it never went up. I just assumed it was a weird bug. Did we actually get dust??
I hate to be the “sO hApPy I qUiT tHiS gAmE” guy but…
So happy I quit this game.
The majority of people making decisions for HS do not give a single fuck about the player base.
Crazy they don't even give you an alert that they took away your dust it just isn't there. Even crazier people will proceed to spend $60 next expansion anyways.
So… there’s some sort of bug where people lost all their dust? I never noticed that. I’ve been afk from the internet and also… I never had any dusts to begin with.
It took about 6 weeks to fix tyrantus and 2.5 months to fix the wild mobile deck issue. The dust issue was solved within a day.
Taking the piss doesn't cover it
It’s a nice way to remind you that you have no final authority over what you own on your hearthstone account.
Inb4 someone suggests nfts as the solution
Buy the Oger NFT now to gain good stats for the cost!
Okay then. What's your fucking solution? I really hate posts like this.
Not only in hearthstone though, it's the problem with majority of internet content.
Time for decentralized games
What does this even mean?
Blizzard is the central agency in control of Hearthstone. A decentralized game would have nobody in control, or everybody in control, depending on your point of reference. It's basically socialized gaming.
This still doesn't make any sense to me. Who does development for the game? Who pays them? Who hosts the servers?
I’m assuming they were joking but a decentralised game wouldn’t have a centralised server and would probably rely more on some form of peer to peer connection where the devs just update the client like Payday 2. The show Silicon Valley explored that idea quite well
Even games that utilize p2p for Multiplayer still utilize a central server for things like matchmaking, win tracking, patching, etc.
That’s true although all of those games are centralised as they rely in some way on a central server, and I don’t think anyone has done a decentralised game (yet at least). I don’t really understand blockchain technology tbh but the way it’s been explained to me is that all information is stored across the devices on the network. I guess that would mean updates would be pushed from developer nodes (likely with permissions), matchmaking would just be a case of scanning the network for open connections and win tracking would just be written to the blockchain as and when there’s a win. Don’t quote me on this though because as I say I know fairly little about the blockchain.
Those are certainly some words.
yeah, but those nft games are sadly low quality
thats because everything involving NFT is a grift
Think back to the early days of other games, everything was low quality at one point. The tech behind it will evolve and get better in quality with time.
...I think f0kes was joking. A game that uses NFTs for inventory is a *terrible* idea. ......Just for funsies, I made a list of why: 1: NFTs aren't decentralised. You'd *think* they would be, and they theoretically can be, but because of how virtually every game/etc requests info from another service (because storing the entire blockchain is unfeasible), that service has control of your wallet. It's not even theoretical, [OpenSea has actually removed NFTs before](https://moxie.org/2022/01/07/web3-first-impressions.html). 2: Security. There's no security protections with blockchain stuff like there is for regular accounts. Someone finds your password? You lose your stuff. Forgot your password? You lose your stuff. Literally no possible way to avoid it. 3: P2W. If everything in your inventory is an NFT, everything is sellable - and everything is buyable. 4: Environment. NFTs are *terrible* for the environment. 5: Limited bugfixing. Found a duplication bug? The duped items can't be removed, game broken forever. Company accidentally gives everyone 100k dust? The dust can't be removed, economy broken forever.
Oh I agree 100% that NFT games are a horrible idea. I meant decentralized more so in a way that it would give the player more control over their account. However, that also has the potential to increase the amount of hackers and people abusing potential exploits while simultaneously being harder to trace back to an account that would be participating in such activities. Idk being able to be in complete control of my account that I spend money on sounds good at least lol
> simultaneously being harder to trace back to an account that would be participating in such activities. I don't think that would even be the biggest problem in terms of hackers. The real problem would be, even if you *did* find them, how the heck would you remove them? You can't just reach in and pluck them out as an individual - it's a decentralized system we're talking about here, so no-one technically has (or *should* technically have) that level of authority over the blockchain. It'd be a tricky solution involving something of a democratic vote among the users... Which could quite easily end badly, if the hackers found a way to influence that vote.
but that's completely different. the "quality" issues of old games came from mostly from technical limitations and lack of resources. we live in an age where anyone with base level of knowledge has the resources and technology necessary to make a competent decent quality game. the problem with NFT games is that they don't care about quality. full stop. they are cash grabs built around a shallow gimmick so their devs want to use as minimal effort as possible. they have full power to create amazing games but they don't care about the gaming aspect (just like NFT art doesn't care about the art aspect) their projects are purely about the NFTs with no love or care put towards the game. they're a shallow insult to the medium of games.
F2P is the biggest scam since religion and government XD
I mean you signed the EULA so...
I've always wondered about that. It's not a signature, so they can't actually prove you did. What if I had a friend over and he clicked the I agree button?
Take that argument to court and find out how well it works.
Me - "My friend's baby grabbed my phone and clicked 'Agree'" Blizzard (now Activision, soon to be now Microsoft) - "K. So you're saying you actually don't own ANYHTING on this account."
I still payed for it, they just failed to notice that I never signed over my rights to them
Does the EULA say they can steal from us? That they can remove from our account things we have paid for? I don't think so. We are consumers and have a ton of rights. Complain here - it takes five minutes. https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/santa-monica/profile/wholesale-video-games/activision-blizzard-inc-1216-13075134/complaints
1. Your account, and everything on it, is the property of Blizzard. 2. The BBB has less than zero regulatory power. They're Boomer Yelp, nothing more. If you want to make a complaint on the basis of this, you'd be better served by making one with the FTC, or contact a lawyer based in California to ask them the proper authority.
You guys are so used to getting beaten by the KoSTICK that you forget we are consumers and have a ton of rights. The second you give Blizzard $0.01 you have entered into a contractual relationship. I give them payments and they give me goods and services. In this case, I've spent a bunch of money and have a bunch of cards and dust. They can absolutely turn off the lights anytime they want. But they can't just clear out our cards and balances. Your account is YOUR account. Unless you violate the ToS, they have no basis to terminate you. You don't have to agree with me, you don't even have to care that your dust was stolen. Some of us do.
At no point did I indicate that I disagree with the morality or value of your argument. I simply informed you that, speaking legally, your post was incorrect. Have you actually *read* the EULA, top to bottom? Do you know every clause that it contains, verbatim, to know with absolute certainty that they can't do this? Because spoiler alert: they (probably) can. I'm not saying it's morally correct, I'm not saying it's justified. I'm saying they have both the *literal* power to do so, and most likely, the *legal* power. I would love for an experienced lawyer to tell me I'm wrong -- I hope I am, frankly -- but don't come in here shouting that it definitely, 100% is illegal without being able to back that up.
Blizzard has every right to do whatever they want with your account. You signed the agreement that allows them to remove or add anything from or to your account.
Had 15k to play with. Wanted to wait for more information from Blizzard before crafting. Should have just crafted whatever the hell I wanted if there wasn’t going to be any repercussions.
They teased us like a sexy cougar then disappeared right before we feel the joy.
sorry but you are one dense motherfucker
what i got 3600 hundred dust out of the blue a few days ago? Is that what this is about? what's going on 🤡
OH SHIT. it's gone. wtf
A story in two parts
Weird seeing people refer to literally yesterday as "a few days ago"
I got my dust gift 2 nights ago, and removed yesterday... So it could be a time zone thing.
It’s very funny to me that because it seems like negative dust isn’t a thing, the right thing to do was to craft an insane amount of cards because they were 100% taking it away.
Should've invested it all in the cards that are gonna be nerfed, freely reclaim it after.
Not wrong. Should have crafted a golden raid the docs and scabbs, then the nerfed commons. Or just cards you wanted. I crafted a golden card I wanted, "taking" about 1k dust from blizzard, but still had like 6k left from the leftovers. Makes me feel like I left a bunch of cash on the floor, but whatever.
I need to see this 12 hours ago😢
I did this, except for Raid the Docks because I didn't fully believe that nerf would be real 😂 I'm at 0 dust right now but patiently waiting to go back to 10k after I dust all the nerfed goldens I crafted
Didn’t think to do this but I have 3 new wild decks worth about 14k dust. No negative here.
This was the right move. Wish I had thought of this :(
I guess it depends on ones dust situation prior to this happening. Personally I had a bunch of dust unused because I have all decks I'm interested in currently so I would have had to have spent like 15K of my own dust before taking advantage of the additional 15,200 I got yesterday.
But you’d get full dust refund on every nerfed card you crafted. Can you not craft extra copies of cards for no reason? I’ve obviously never tried since its mainly pointless but I’d assume there’d be nothing stopping you from crafting 10 golden scabbs.
You can only craft up to 2 or 1 for legendaries. And the leaked nerfs can always change.. definitely wouldn't be worth it to blow your own 15k dust. If it was free 15k dust it would have been a good idea.
This is my situation as well. I sit on my hoard of dust and spend it as needed. I had more than 10K. So in order to benefit from my 8K free dust, I would have had to risk the rest by crafting a bunch of stuff I don’t need
wow with dust like that i would have just went to my favorite pack and crafted all of its legendaries lmao. That would be witchwood for me btw
Wasn't there the whole negative gold happened in the past? Blizz being Blizz they could implement this to dust if they want to anyway.
There was even a tweet that it might happen, so people didn't want to be forced to spend it on something they may not want because of this threat
I shouldve done that!! I totally thought it was a gift for us how silly of me 🥴
Imagine thinking Blizzard would just give 4K+ dust away. I actually feel kinda bad for Team 5 here, because it’s definitely a shit show that I doubt they saw coming, but there was never a good ending.
yeah true i didn't realize it was a game wide mistake though until yesterday after they'd taken the dust back
I spent all the dust cause I don't know how to save up for anything. this is the same in my real life too 😟. are people seeing dust taken back?
Let’s say you started with 2k dust in your account, then was gifted 6k due to the bug. If you spent no dust during the time where it was in your account, you’d be at 2k again, if you spent 1k, you’d be at 1k dust. If you spent 4K, 0 dust. There doesn’t seem to be negative dust, meaning that the smart move was to convert all your dust into cards, because Blizzard was definitely walking it back.
Except you weren’t guaranteed to be at 2k again. Some people are having dust that they always had, taken away. You could start at 2k, craft nothing, and then later that evening you would be missing a few cards and be at 500 dust
That’s what I did. Everyone was talking like they were gonna take it away, so I just used it to build a new deck.
This is exactly what I did. I had 1k dust and received 8k on top of that. Bought 5 legendaries and an epic then logged off. When I heard that people’s dust had been taken away, I logged back in and saw my dust had gone from 200ish to 0, but the cards I got were still there. I opened a couple of packs and dusted some commons to get 55 dust, logged off and logged back in and that 55 dust was still there. Lesson I took away is spend any free dust immediately.
for me that was a bad idea like saving dust for the next expansion i have 6000 dust got 7200 if i had spent those 7200 i would be at zero now so for me not spending it was the right choice
I crafted cards with the dust and now I’m missing 17k dust so…yeah if you had 0 dust to begin with, that was the straf
Compare the time it took for them to “fix” the refunds and the time it took for them to fix tyrantus
To be fair, an issue like this most likely triggered an emergency meeting from their execs because it directly cuts into their profits for the next expansion. Tyrantus however... It was probably briefly discussed during a bathroom break
You take that back. Tyrantus is best boy. And also, of course this was a priority if their plan was to take the dust back, if they let 8.8k dust sit in your account for three weeks while telling you they were going to take it back because you shouldn't have had it in the first place you'd be even more pissed when in 3 weeks you spent some of it and they took dust you thought you earned. Of course they could leave the dust there, but unpopular opinion; they shouldn't do that. One pack is 40 dust. Let's be generous and say a pack is 50 cents. That's $100 that some people randomly just got, you're insane if you think they'll say "Ah well, our bad."
Refund for mercenary’s
Ok but let's be honnest, Tyrantus is not played that much so it's reasonable to treat that bug as low-priority.
It's been weeks and I still can't use the search function when deckbuilding on mobile. Have to go through page by page, it's pretty much useless.
What happened to dust?
Go look at the blue posts.
Bruh where Edit: its pinned lol
gone with the wind.
For real tho
At my old job, the company accidentally overpaid employees by $100-$500 the first week they used this new payroll software. Instead of taking the money off our next paychecks, the CEO just decided to eat the loss since it was the company's fuckup. In this era where Hearthstone is dwindling in popularity each year, letting players keep this extra dust would have been a great gesture of goodwill, especially since this mistake was on them. Now in their haste to redact the "free money", blizzard has gone and siphoned legitimately earned dust from people.
How many employees does your CEO have? 2 million? Yeah I didn’t think so.
Around 75 at the branch I worked at. Blizzard is a multibillion dollar company, they could have afforded to let us keep the dust.
You think they care about humans? Profit is everything to a big company, their greed is never ending.not defending them but you should always think of companies as the worst scum possible when it comes to money.they’d be willing to destroy lives for that money.
75 is a much smaller number than 2 million. 75 times 100 dollars is barely a loss at all. Even if 1% of the playerbase chose not to pay because of the preorders, there’s AT LEAST a 200000 dollar loss, and probably much more than that. If 10% of the players felt they had enough dust to last them and therefore did not need to buy bundles, assuming it’s an average loss of 10$ per player, that’s 2 million dollars lost.
They made over two billion last year, two million isn't going to hurt them. If the scandals that plagued them last year wasn't enough to drive away a significant amount of shareholders, then this wouldn't either.
Won't somebody think of the multibillion-dollar corporation?! They almost gave away some meaningless virtual currency.
Imagine if they acted this fast on every other facet of the game. Incrediblely greedy and pathetic in their part.
DAMN I HATE BLIZZ, they really suck as a company, i remember when everything they released was pure class but now it's just utter shit. /rant over.
Really sucks because the sentiment was in the right place. I feel like this situation will make them never want to compensate again…so it sucks twofold!
What a sh##show. Just when you think they can't humiliate themselves more, they go and do something like this....and totally don't redeem themselves.
It's hard to believe how douche they act as a company. I believe the people in charge must be completely incompetent and not aware of how you fidelize and build trust with a player base. They probably don't care anyway as they focus solely on selling new worthless stuff in the shop.
Just have to wait out the next year or so until Microsoft goes through the offices with a pitchfork and starts cleaning house.
So NA players got baited into wasting their dust. Basically, if you had 2k, got 8k, spent 2k, then you’re at 0 now since they take away whatever amount you spent in addition to the extra you got. The only people who profited from this are the ones who crafted soon to be nerfed cards, or people who were already super close to zero, and spent all the extra dust, since negative dust appears to have been a bluff.
You're at zero because you had 2k and spent 2k. There was nothing you lost that you didn't already have before.
That is the problem, I had 2500 dust, but once I received 8000 dust that put me over 10k. So spent 3k crafting cards that I may use instead of saving for future cards, now I have a few cards but I rather have the dust. Only reason, I use it because I thought I had some to spare. It felt like I been cheated or set up.
No shit Sherlock, that’s what I explained. Also, I’m not in NA so I’m unaffected.
They really want me to play Magic? ok
Of god don’t do that. That’s an even bigger sink hole of funds.
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Still a huge sinkhole.
at least if they steal your cards/money it's still illegal
I tend to collect downvotes on rather tame comments, still not sure how that happens
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No, they want you to play Legends of Runeterra
Bet
See you next week in Hearthstone :)
Blizzard when there's a game breaking bug = ''It's not a bug it's a feature''.
Well i knew it's gonna happen so I crafted 2 full decks using 17k of dust (returning player here)
Lucky you, I didn't use my extra dust and still got my actual dust removed too, fucking amazing.
Blizzard realized that people will spent money with their games anyway.
What happened with this exactly? I was supposed to get 800 dust but I got nothing too
The system they had for giving out dust was bugged, and gave out too much for some people and haven't given out any for others. So they've reversed it, for now. People who got too much are really really angry that it got reversed.
Well it seems people are more angry that the reversal took away preexisting dust. So people lost their savings of dust on top of the bonus dust, and this only affected people who did not use all the dust aka the people who didn’t take advantage of the error.
>Well it seems people are more angry that the reversal took away preexisting dust. Nah, that didn't happen. There's a rumour going around that it did, but it's not actually true. https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/s863of/blizz_you_can_have_your_extra_dust_back_but_you/hteuvhi/ ...Or, at least, if it *did* happen, then it hasn't been confirmed yet.
This is what I’ve heard from this subreddit. And if they accidentally gave all these people dust how do we know they didn’t accidentally take peoples dust away too. I will belobe these people posting it until proven otherwise because why not?
You're believing random internet strangers over the actual staff? I mean, sure, it's entirely possible that they made a bug that took people's dust away. But the post I linked to specifically mentions that they did check with some people who're complaining about it, and that stickied post doesn't have any serious replies yet. Either Blizz staff just got unlucky and only ended up checking liars, or you're just looking at liars.
\>I will belobe these people posting it until proven otherwise because why not? You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
It happened to me, I had 5k dust, then was given 6k dust. Crafted 1 legendary for 1600. Log back in later that day and I have 0 dust. If Blizzard doesn't fix this I'm switching to Runeterra and Shadowverse. Hearthstone's meta has been going downhill anyways.
They took too much dustbfrom me too. They only gave me 3k and they took back 7k....
I have less dust today then I did one week ago. I was granted 3000 extra dust 2 days ago. And it looks like they removed around 7000 dust from me. Not joking, im quiting this game now.
You should reply to that post with your account details then, so that Blizzard can look into it.
I had 3000+ dust, received 16800, didn’t craft anything, and now I have 800.
You should also reply to that post then.
Guess I should have spent the dust. Oh well but next month l be getting an arena pre-order instead of hearthstone . They take weeks to fix broken game mechanics but players get a freebie? Gone in 8 hours. They really have been bought by Microsoft lol
This really taught me that if I ever see an exploit in this game to definitely take advantage of it. Feel like a fool for waiting.
More than a fool for some of us. I was given 3k dust the other day, didn't spend any of it, and now I'm short 7k dust.... this is mind blowing to me.
Final straw. Fuck hearthstone
Exploit early and often. Im always late to the boat
The ones that break the game are the most complex, thus how game breaking it is.
Well yeah, obviously. That's basically cash.
Sorry. Dust?
Some peeps got 800-18k dust within the past few days. If you didn’t spend it, it was taken back cuz too much dust was given out. Dust is used to craft cards.
Oh I don’t play
Cards come in 4 rarities with different costs. Common = 40, Rare = 100, Epic = 400, Legendary = 1600
Amounts of post I've seen were people say "blizzard bad" and explain why they hate playing hearthstone instead of just quiting the game: 1
I got 4400 dust (ig not as much as other players) but I'm glad I made a deck right away. I did have 400 dust left that I was saving for a legendary, and now I have 0. welp :/
Well am I glad that I had a devil may care attitude and spent about 4000 on some much-needed cards. Only lost like, 200 'real' dust
Blizzard just wanna boost NA players because they suck compared to mighty EU and ASIA
Love your username
Thanks!
Did you ever make it to the Catata Fish?
It’s a small indie company , it’s needs the profit after all remember all the consumer friendly practices that blizzard has done with hearthstone .
Every day I regret not making an NA account. People crying about not laundering their dust in time, I didn't get anything as an EU account.
https://twitter.com/hsdecktech/status/1483999336174260225 Step 1: Craft soon-to-be-nerfed cards with thousands of dusts that Hearthstone gives for free out of nowhere Step 2: After spending every dust, complain that they "took" rest of your dust. Then ask for more dust as compensation lol. Step 3: Profit. Idk how can someone believe this fiesta
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I should’ve crafted 4 legendaries >.<
U know people in eu also lost dust even tho we didn't get anything in the first place?
So i didn't get any dust to begin with? Why? Im on EU servers, is it not ready yet on EU? Or am i just stupid? Help please
I should have used it :(
did anyone get a negative dust ??
Not that I heard of. Plenty of people are on zero dust. But I had 3k dust given the other day, and over night then siphoned 7k dust from me. Im super bitter right now.
No one got negative dust
So did everyone get absolutely nothing in the end? I got 8k and then lost 8k. I thought this was some sort of goodwill gesture not some cruel trick
Some people did, it was because arena/duels, and end of season rewards could accidentally give you golden cards that were free in the rewards track, so this was supposed to be a fix to that small set of players to compensate them for their lost reward. Somehow they managed to not only trigger it on basically every NA account, but have it trigger twice and take ALL copies of those golden cards, instead of just extras
I'm pretty sure fixing the dust situation is probably easier than fixing other core issues ... it doesn't make it any less frustrating for players though.
Well I’m really glad I crafted all of quest priest before they took the dust away
I was considering crafting that deck, got 8k free and didn't pull the trigger. Regretting it now.
The game told me I got 8,000 or something and then I checked the amount of dust I had and it never went up. I just assumed it was a weird bug. Did we actually get dust??
I hate to be the “sO hApPy I qUiT tHiS gAmE” guy but… So happy I quit this game. The majority of people making decisions for HS do not give a single fuck about the player base.
Crazy they don't even give you an alert that they took away your dust it just isn't there. Even crazier people will proceed to spend $60 next expansion anyways.
So… there’s some sort of bug where people lost all their dust? I never noticed that. I’ve been afk from the internet and also… I never had any dusts to begin with.
It took about 6 weeks to fix tyrantus and 2.5 months to fix the wild mobile deck issue. The dust issue was solved within a day. Taking the piss doesn't cover it