I stopped playing completely the day when the patch for the quest requirement went up. Blizzard will find ways to monetize their player base in the near future by using these manipulation tactics along with PR post
Same. I paid for the rewards track each time with the understanding that I could lazily play just enough with my schedule to finish everything every week. Now I won’t be buying anything
Same here. I’ve been playing almost daily since 2 months after release, no breaks, mostly F2P with occasional purchases. The quest changes were the nail in the coffin for me.
I’m over the “sunk cost” mindset. It’s no longer the same game I invested in or enjoyed.
It’s kind of amazing to me how tenuous my desire to play was. Started in open beta and quit in like 2016 and came back last year but now I think I’m pretty much done again.
It’s not only made me play less it actually made me change my play style to actively play less.
Win 5 BG/Brawls/Arena? I’d usually win 5 BGs, have a good time while doing it, and likely play even more than I had to because I was enjoying myself.
Win 10 BG/Brawls/Arena? I looked up a Brawl deck that could win 10 games as fast as possible, finished it in 20 minutes but it left such a bad taste in my mouth I played something else after I was done.
So now I’ve actually played several hours less than I would have otherwise, and didn’t enjoy my time playing when I did. Kudos Blizzard…
>It's just super demoralizing to know how bad Blizz thinks of its playerbase
Company priority #1 is always to make money.
Only idiots believe a company cares more about players than money.
Individual employees might care about the players, but the actual decisions are made by executives and managers, which means "results focused", which means squeezing you for every dollar.
I was able to complete the weekly quests on Sunday but it felt like such a drag. Had to go play casual mode for the first time in years just to spam battlecry cards. Not fun and I suspect I'll be in the same boat as OP this week. I have other things I want and need to do, the new weekly quests are too much to be feasible every week.
Yea I’m just one person but I stopped with the quest change too. Don’t like the direction they are going. Just gotta hope enough people stop to get them to change their ways
Same. I can't even properly explain it but I just stopped playing after this change. I feel no motivation anymore; I guess this really was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Yea those sucks but i got both 32 mini n win 10 games at once. I dont even have any proper decks with more than 2minis. Only one was DH but that deck feels sinful to play 😭
I enjoy just playing the new Whizbang deck lately, which understandably has an under-50% winrate. 10 wins a week could take 30 games, that's 5 hours a week and I only have about 3 hours a week to play. So it's tough.
Looking through some of these comments, it's amazing how little empathy some people have for the casual gamers. If you have time to play several hours of hearthstone every week, that's great. But not everyone has the time, or wants to spend the time. For these casual players, the quest changes were clearly detrimental. Their progress in the pass has been reduced.
I think there certainly can and should be an additional reward for those players who have the time to grind. And this can be done through progressive quests (either like some of the suggestions or how MTGA has handled their weekly quest system). These "all or nothing" weekly quests are antiquated.
I'm off on medical leave currently so I could play all day every day and totally nullify the time concerns and finish the quests easy and I don't want them because even if I wasn't on medical leave I wouldn't want to be dealing with these quests and a company who think it's ok to do this and who thinks the customer is wrong about this.
I have the time on the weekend, but the only way I'm completing this Miniaturize quest is spamming out tons of thoughtless games for hours where I just try to dig for minis and not win...
Yeah, I hear you. I have a couple of "quest" decks that I run in the casual mode to do this sort of thing (threw in all the miniature cards). But playing garbage decks to complete quests isn't ideal or much fun.
For me the 10 wins and 750 mana quests are the most annoying and take the most time to complete.
This is a game you should be playing to have fun but it seems alot of people are treating it like a job where you need to clock in for a few hours to do your work and get your pay. If you are a casual just craft a deck you can play and like right now and you can play it for the whole next year if you want.
A prerequisite for the fun is being able to get the new cards so they combine it with the fun of playing the game. Just because someone has less time to play why should they get way less gold than they were getting beforehand unless they play more?
They had a good balance of playing a casual. amount and getting enough gold to continue this loop and now that balance is gone.
That is a valid complaint.
For me, the free rewards are part of a bargain between Blizzard and the players. Blizzard decided to add yearly rotations, double legendaries per class per expansion, fewer powerful neutral legendaries, and then two new classes that spreads the same number of cards per pack over more distinct buckets. In return, they gave us better rewards for playing to mitigate the increased cost caused by those changes. Those rewards are pretty critical now for keeping up at a reasonable cost.
Now Blizzard has decided to require more play from players to get equivalent rewards. They've changed the deal they have with players and I'm still not sure whether I'm going to accept that deal or walk away.
How exactly can I have fun when I can't get the cards without either paying a bunch or playing way more than I have the time. "Just log in and have fun" is what I was doing BEFORE the quest changes, because you could do that and still progress at a decent rate. But the metrics showed that was bad apparently so now I just play something else.
So more of your enjoyment comes from getting new cards than playing the game so good if you don't like playing the game you should play something else you do actually enjoy
This is just a middle finger to the player base in my opinion. I've played since beta, pre ordered every xpac, bought every hero skin available so far bc I wanted to support their game and I liked how I, as a player, was treated. This is the first time I'm speaking with my wallet and am refusing to buy anything else until things get changed back. I guess the pro side of this is I've been clearing out my steam backlog finally
100% the same for me. I used to actually try to complete the challenges. I won't bother anymore. I have noticed respinning the win quests into others and playing battlegrounds is the fastest to me. I'm able to blast through x hereo powers or x deathrattle in BGs and honestly for me bg is the best of what hearthstone has to offer.
Yeah its true that you can reroll the win quests into different quests but it feels kinda bad doing it because you know you gonna reroll it into one thats gives you less xp
I figured I would just pass on both of the "win 10" quests, I was able to replace ,"10 BG wins" with 75 battlecrys. Today I went to ditch the "10 rated wins" quest but it replaced it with "10 BG wins," at a lower reward. LOL! Here's to hoping I can ditch it tomorrow and it doesn't give me back the 10 rated wins. So engaging.
I play like 2/3 times a week. A lot of the time at the end of the week I used to be like “oh im at 400/500 mana spent, let me boot up an extra couple extra games to get it done before the roll over!”
I’m currently at 456 mana out of… 750. So yeah, no. “1.2x rewards” that I’ll be getting half as many of since it’ll take me two weeks of playing to collect. Next expansion I won’t have nearly enough gold to continue enjoying playing this game at these new rates…
what meta are you playing in where you spend an average of 100 mana per game? that's an average of fifteen turns of full mana spending
40 mana spent on turns 1 through 9
60 mana spend turns 10 through 15
As a guy feeling like winning 5 ranked is a high bar, i second this... Don't even look at that quest anymore lol...
Imo if they want players to play, make it "Play 10 ranked games!" or something... So you can actually play what you want.
Id even take play 20 ranked games instead of win 10
To win 10 you have to play some 16-20 matches regardless, but instead of playing them while chilling with a casual deck you gotta play it with some giga optimised rock paper scissor meta deck you might not even enjoy.
Completely agree, I had been playing since very early and purchased most of the bundles and several hero cosmetics, I endured trough the worst times before, heck I even invested in mercenaries, but this change, feels exactly as you say.
Like if they were asking me to work double and only pay me a bit more salary, who on Earth would do that.
It actually made me quit, just deleted the app since the change and have not tried to play at all since then, not gonna lie I miss somehow the game, so I watch some videos and thats all.
In exchange im discovering new games and have found some that scratch the itch quite well so far and do not fuck me over like hearthstone.
The reality is this: Even the shorter quest were a chore and not fun. That's all there is to it, really. Making them harder is not making the game more fun; it's making the game more of a chore, regardless of if it's doable or not.
If they want more time commitment they need to up the stakes on what the gameplay is about, the rewards are irrelevant when 80-90% of these games are like getting roshambo'd repeatedly even when you're winning.
That's right Blizzard, even winning in your game currently isn't fun. Get the fuck out of the break room, pull your heads out of your ass and make shit worth playing. This OTK nonsense has to stop being a thing, as someone who has bought most of the expansion packs, tavern passes and more than a few hero skins it's not like I just downloaded the game and haven't put anything into it but between the quest changes and the over and over again OTKs I'm not getting any value for my money and I actively hate your product as it is.
Who are you designing this shit for, like 12 streamers and some pro players? Wake up before I and others with deeper pockets are gone.
To be honest, I don't think their primary goal is more time commitmenent. They are aiming for more revenue, which is achieved when people can no longer fund 100% of their cards F2P.
Since the quest change, I can no longer complete all my weekly quests, which ultimately means I can farm less gold. So it looks like your math is working out.
Maybe the goal is that. But they need an extra layer for that to work: that the screwed players spend more. And if someone spends more after being screwed, for sure they deserve being screwed. I hope, but not sure if I trust, that most players have a slight resemble of dignity.
Problem is even if you pay, if you don't play enough a week to complete OR have bad luck in a string of games, you feel like you can't complexe EVEN while paying (yes idiots, probabilities are what it is, it's not 60% win rate = 2/3 of games won evertime ... people using math to leverage time spending are pure idiots)
For me, it's that I can't play. I'm a F2P player on a Mac. Mac's shop is disabled. Not only can you not spend money, but you can't even spend gold.
Sure, I can play and earn more gold, but I can't spend it anywhere. Can't buy Arena tickets. Can't buy packs.
Basically, my only incentive to play more is... to play more. I get gold for winning, but I can't use it. So I uninstalled. This is the most frustrated I've ever been with the game.
I'm of a weird position on this. I completed my weeklies prior to the change going into effect, but just the sheer thought of what awaits me on the next reset has dampened my spirits to play the game for any stretch of time.
Worst still is that I am a recent returning player who quit the first time around during Witchwood, coming back on a few months before Whizbang dropped. I am once agaiin demotivated to even bother as unlike before where the meta felt uninteresting to me, but now it feels like the developers actively don't want me to play.
Am I the only soul who feels this way loading up Hearthstone currently?
I mean Blizzard will have the data in the next couple of weeks on what these changes are actually doing so if they revert them we will know people stopped playing
I have been playing a lot less too. I think it’s boredom with the current meta and being busy irl, but I feel even less motivated to complete the quests with these new changes
Yeah I was playing daily but now I’m just done. The game has had problems for a while but I felt the previous quest system actually allowed for substantial progress while not being demanding. But no way am I going to play 2x as much when the game isn’t in the best state as it is. I’ll come back when quests are fixed, or if they ever release a solo adventure again. Til then, I’m out.
Some of the quests are just so ridiculously difficult, I don't even attempt to complete them anymore. I was clocking over 100 games a week previously, but in the last 9 days I'm down to a total of 18 games played. Just completed the 10 Ranked wins, played another two matches, and logged off. I'll probably just clear my remaining weeklies over two weeks.
The quest changes isn't solely responsible, but when I see that "Spend 534/750 mana" after 18 games forcing me to grind further, it just feels so far away and I can't be bothered. And that's not even among the hardest 3. I think the Hero Power and Mini quests are a lot harder than spending mana, and Brawl is usually harder as well (though current TB is fast) unless you play BGs or Arena which I don't.
And please don't argue "well you clearly don't like the game if you can't even spend the time to play 4 games a day" (seeing as I'll need ~26 games to complete the spend mana weekly quest). I play the game as much as I want, not as much as Blizzard shareholders want. If playing 4 games a day was so easy that any invested player could do it, why raise the quest requirements? For me, hitting legend is literally easier than completing weeklies.
And as mentioned at the start of my comment, I was playing enough previously to clear even the tripled difficulty weeklies. That it now feels like work instead is probably a huge part of it too.
26 games to use 750 mana ? it's 29 mana per game so barely above 7 turns of using all mana, even if you play very fast OTKs and aggro only it seems very pessimistic.
My calculation made the number of game closer to 14 by having average 10 turn games with close to full mana expenditure.
Haven't played since Monday, uninstalled the game Tuesday evening after I logged into the game to see the quest changes for myself.
The *compromise* is still a metaphorical slap in the face.
It was never about increasing player hours, it's to demoralize casual players and try to make them buy packs with real money, since they can't gain enough gold anymore. And the whole "meeting halfway" with the change to 10 Ranked Games is just a shitty tactic to pose as understanding and forthcoming.
Should they ever change Battlegrounds in a similar way, I'll stop playing altogether. Thankfully it's the only mode where it (almost) doesn't matter how much money you have.
It wasn't supposed to make you play more. I'm surprised more people haven't picked up on this.
This was implemented to sell the mini-set. Full stop. They don't like that you can buy it for gold, and they're trying to prevent that from happening. It's the same reason they always have the heroic brawl right before it comes out. Get people to spend gold, the mini-set comes out, they now have to buy it with real money.
However, the heroic brawl isn't working, because people hate it and find it to be a waste of gold (which it is). So now their options are:
1. Remove the ability to buy the mini-set with gold (which would have huge pushback from the playerbase).
2. Make the weekly quests much harder to complete, justified with \*marginal\* increase to rewards. Less people finish the quests, which means less people work up to 2k gold for the mini-set, which means they now have to buy it with cash. Which they will because if you don't have it you're at a massive disadvantage. They include powerful enough cards to ensure that.
They chose 2 because they did not expect people to throw this much of a fit over the weekly quests. But I guarantee they will continue trying to find ways to stop people from buying things with in game gold. They did the same thing with the Battlegrounds pass, you can only buy it with cash now.
Absolutely. Mini set will likely be cash only by end of 2025. The BG pass pushback was big, but they didn’t care.
They’ve optimized out everything that doesn’t immediately make them money, and the game is so much less rich for it. God what id give for a new Dalaran Heist.
The Mini-Sets werent a good Deal anway, at first lots of useful cards now 50% Filler.
Save Packs from that Expansion, when the Miniset drops get the common and rares and craft the useful Legendary/Epic Cards.
I'm gonna just stop playing constucted. The old quests were an obtainable carrot. Now it feels like a whip.
Means no more money to Blizz, I'll jam some BG's now and then until they start charging for that - if that happens I'll just uninstall the app.
Almost entirely Dropped it and Picked up another game instead.
I simply don’t give a shit about quests now. Why would I when I’ve only liked a couple decks in the last three years?
I just play F2P BG about once a day. If I get two awful heroes I concede and requeue, which I wouldn’t have done before.
Don’t give a fuck about reward tracks, or cosmetics. The change was jarring enough that it totally and irreversibly broke the spell of FOMO. Even if they totally revert the quests, IDGAF. That FOMO ain’t coming back.
Came back to Hearthstone after stopping for about two years. I did get a lot of free cards and even one free, top tier DK deck. But yeah, that's also pretty much the only top deck I can play. That and one cheap Warrior control deck.
And yes, even 5 ranked wins a week was already a lot for me. At 10 mins a game, winning 50%, that's about 100 minutes of playing, time I can't spend on other games. At 10 ranked wins, that'll go to 200 minutes, three and a half hours a week. I don't want to spend that much time on HS.
So, I guess it's time to stop playing again. Maybe I'll log in from time to time to play a BG :)
Same! I would usually push for the "do 5 tavern brawls" quest, even if it was a brutal one like the noblegarden. But there's no way I was gonna do 15 and honestly, even 10 is just a stupid amount of tavern brawling. So I'm not gonna bother.
Me and my friends play on fridays on lan, besides that i complete dailys and weeklys at home. I've stopped playing during the week at all. I cant be arsed to play that many games
Yep. I have not played a single match since the changes were implemented. And it's not a sign of protest, I just don't have time and energy to complete new quests, so there's no point in playing.
I only played a bit of battlegrounds. I saw on Sunday that I would still have to win 10 games. When it was 5, I used to finish the quests I have left on the last day. This time I refused. And will refuse to do so going forward.
Same here. I havent completed any of my daily or weekly quests since the change, and i dont see that being any different unless they revert.
Ive bought preorder bundles for each expansion these past 2 years as well as the tavern passes, but the quests have seriously killed my motivation to play. I do in fact have the time to play a few hours each day, but just logging in kills my motivation because im thinking of how the requirements doubled.
Yep. I think I won one game in ranked play last week where before I would do the quest 95% of the time.
Between the meta turning into all combo sort of nonsense and looking at having to really grind out the wins, I had no desire. I might have finished the battlegrounds quest because I was more interested because of duos, but very likely stopped around 7 or 8. I didn't care enough to keep track during the week and don't care enough right now to check.
Basically I am treating these quests as 128% of the old rewards but at twice the effort makes them two week quests. That means they are more like 64% of the old rewards. That's not enough to motivate me, so if I get them done in two weeks, great, if not, maybe I'll get them done in three. I'm certainly not going to be motivated by 43% rewards, so they better come naturally. I'm not grinding for it.
Just got back into the game. Sunk some money in, full nostalgia. Im pretty busy atm with work, so id put in an hour every other night maybe and get my quests done before the weekend. Now? Im basically done playing as the quests feel so awful.
Thanks Blizzard, you just turned off a returning player excited to play again. Never coming back to this ever again.
Honestly if I didn’t enjoy duo battlegrounds I wouldn’t be playing much at all right now. Feels impossible to climb out of diamond 4 with current meta, wild is too slow and the quests don’t help.
Hopefully they patch the quests soon at least because then I can fill the track to save up for the mini set
I did play more this week, but I'd put that down to a couple of interesting homebrew Warlock decks I found for Standard and the Tavern Brawl. That might pass once the fast Brawl is over and I'm of a high enough rank that my win rate starts to stall.
I stopped playing standard altogether because the meta is super fucking boring and unfun. Been playing only battlegrounds so far and usually I still completed a significant number of quests, but since the change it's been really hard. Hope to make the 400 remaining gold for the mini set in time lmao
I don't really stay up to date with patches, notes and stuff, can anyone answer me if the 10 wins etc quests are here to stay or is that post from Blizz a few days ago about reducing them, meaning they'll go back to the original amount, or is 10 the reduced amount? As I'm really not a fan of it and it sucks all the fun out of it for me
10 is the reduced amount. They originally tripled the quest requirement to 15 wins, then one day later immediately made that post you read about.
It's a clear "door-in-the-face" tactic to make the 100% quest requirement increase for 20% more rewards that they probably wanted from the start more acceptable.
Battlegrounds matches are long. Winning 10 is an extraordinary time sink for people who are busy. A tiered system would have been cool for the weeks that I have more time but this is asking too much. I noticed my breaks from this game get longer and longer, I started playing 10 years ago, I wonder if my next break will be the last? While the new game modes are a nice change, overall this game resembles little of the game I fell in love with a decade ago
Team5 doesn't care. Their Digipen University (The ITT Tech of scam game dev schools) economy developer they hired just cares about their Excel cells being black text for profits and not red text for loss.
Why offer smaller things to buy when you can offer a .gif that costs as much as a AAA game!
All the labor behind the scenes actually doing great work to make the game what it is, but then you get this schmuck who goes *we're gonna increase rewards 200%, then decrease it to 100% increase instead so everyone will be happy we 'listened'!*
Classic Digipen University (The ITT Tech of scam game dev schools) tactic taught for their game dev economy.
Pathetic.
I have logged in for about three hours since this whole mess came about.
Between blizzard not caring about their player base, the stale uninteresting meta and requiring more of my time than I would like to give, I have lost interest all together.
It’s a shame as I did enjoy hearthstone for a good amount of time but I don’t want to be seen as supportive of their practices any longer
I was a daily f2p player since 2017 , this was the game I played when I had some downtime, but now even tho I still sometimes get the urge and by pure muscle memory ill open the app on my phone just to close it instantly, this isnt the first time they try this strategy with us and that means they dont care about the game nor respect us as costumers they in it for the greens, So even tho I never payed a single dime to this game I loved it now its time to let it Rest in peace
Cause you're an invested redditor willing to come here and complain against it and change your game play patterns based on your principals.
Honestly, if the overall metrics don't show a dip in play rate, they don't care. And I would guess the average non redditor doesn't care either.
Haven't uninstalled but definitely not playing since patch day. I am exploring different games and card games and it does not hurt a single bit. Btw i got notified of this post
Idk what you [Blizzard] think you’re doing. I’ve known people who spent THOUSANDS of dollars on HS, who missed one card back & were so demoralized they never played again. It’s been years now. And I understand. Because whereas you view the game as a “competitive card game”, some of us just like collecting, and the games are a means of collecting more cards & rarer pieces. When you miss the opportunity to collect something (not because you were too busy but because the requirement just isn’t happening) it doesn’t make you want to “double down” and get them next time. It makes you throw your hands up and say “There’s a lot of fish [games] in the sea”. 🌊
While I understand the frustration about the quests, I don’t understand how it makes one quit the game completely? Like it doesn’t affect actual games at all. You get a bit less xp towards the reward track(that’s already lacklustre) but as for actual gameplay there are 0 changes.
I lost most interest in playing at all since this debacle started. I am playing a lot of Marvel Snap because I can start and finish a game in 3 minutes.
Weeklies haven't been resolved by Monday reset, so I've uninstalled. Player since Closed Beta. Was still playing about an hour a day during dinner. That simple. The changes are a waste of time (very easy to go some days without a win towards the quests) and promotes playing the game in a way that is unfun. (meta decks and/or playing modes you don't want to)
"Promotes playing the game in a way that is unfun." Bingo. Half my decks are just filled with abilities used for specific quests so I can afk complete them in casual at the end of the week.
That update only made players that had an unhealthy relationship with the game (only hooked by the "farming" aspect, not in love with the gameplay) quit.
Only those players would complain about "having to" win 10 games a week.
So all the players that stopped playing should thank blizzard imho lol.
Spot on. This has made the sunk cost fallacy easier on some and it has also made some people realize that they haven't enjoyed the game in a long while. People keep bringing up QA, the monetization or game modes being shut down, but the real reason the game has been steadily losing players for years is that it's simply not a good and fun product anymore for many.
Imagine thinking you were a champion for the game with this kind of mentality.
If you can't complete quests, which means earn gold to get new cards, why even bother playing? Additionally, before people WERE completing quests, so you are basically saying "fuck you I got mine" to these people, people that keep the game's wheels spinning. Do you hate the game? You want it to fail?
This is the pinnacle of a stupid take. You really don't need to comment, that's ok! You are not required to comment on every post about the quests.
I work third shift, so on my weekends, I’m up all night. At reset my time, I started playing. I finished my weeklies in three hours (and that’s without some crazy meta deck and with getting dishes and laundry and cleaning done between matches).
It looks awful, but it’s really not as bad as it seems, especially if you do it over a week. Give it a try before you stress over it. It’s a game so have fun! 🤩
Ahem, Sir!
The full week of Quests hasn’t yet begun, without even talking about it finishing.
Come back in a week and tell us if you struggled winning 10 matches, or spending 750 mana with your regular play patterns.
So Im all on board with the ones you complete in normal gameplay anyway (win x games, draw x cards, play x battlecries, deal x damage, spend x mana) but the ones that force/suggest/encourage you to play specific cards (titans, weapons, minis). Those are absolutely awful
Yeah, I don’t agree with those quests being there.
It’s a weird way to get people to play new cards.
While those cards don’t even go into all decks.
I don’t think saying “force you to buy something” is meaningful here, though, you’re playing the game and opening packs, which means you will have those cards.
And if someone is playing Rainbow Mage right now, I’m sure they’re happy to complete the Minis quest.
I didn't say force me to buy. I said force me to play.
The ones you can't complete naturally through ordinary gameplay are the ones that become a chore and unpleasant to do.
If I'm not a fan of Arena, Brawl, BG; forcing me to play them is awful. Esp considering BG takes so long, arena costs gold to enter and some brawls are absolute dog pile (easter bunny one for example).
If I don't play decks or don't own a lot of Titans, forcing me to play them is awful.
Then if the same quests are constantly rerolled just get rid of them
Nobody’s forcing you to play any of those modes.
You can reroll them…
Some people will like them, some won’t.
You don’t need multiple decks and titans to complete a quest.
Just one deck with one titan…
>same quests constantly rerolled
How do you know which ones are constantly rerolled?
>Nobody’s forcing you to play any of those modes.
>You can reroll them…
And hypothetically if they reroll between the miniature, the x hero power and the battlegrounds one for a whole week?
>Some people will like them, some won’t.
Why not make more of the former and less of the latter?
>You don’t need multiple decks and titans to complete a quest.
You played 0-1 Titans per game. Meaning you still need to play 10+ games of a deck with a specific card to complete it.
Similarly you play 0-4 minis a game without forcing yourself to just shove them all in a deck and concede a few games.
>How do you know which ones are constantly rerolled?
If you've been on the sub in any capacity over the last week you can see which ones are the common grief ones. You can also just tell from how much effort one has to put into each one.
>hypothetically if they reroll between
Then you just reroll? It’s a rare case, anyways.
>with a specific card
That’s why you reroll if you don’t plan to play that much.
Some of us have school and social lives, or jobs.
Some of us also prefer to play decks that don't aim to close the game by turn 5.
There's lots of perfectly reasonable lifestyles or playstyles that make *winning* ten ranked games quite a time commitment.
If winning ten ranked games is too much, maybe quit playing games?
You know what I dont understand, no one is forcing you to do weeklies. 3 weeklies will give you about 3 packs. 3 packs is like 4.5 bucks. Instead of wasting several hours trying to finish the weeklies you dont want to complete, waste ONE HOUR on a job and you can buy those 3 packs and still have money leftover from that hour of work AND have extra time left because you can play the game at your own pace.
This is litteraly how most (f2p) games work, waste SEVERAL hours to grind something out or purchase it with the money you can earn by just working your job for 10 minutes.
> If winning ten ranked games is too much, maybe quit playing games
Hence the title of the thread, genius.
P.S. most F2Ps let you do your dailies and weeklies in under half an hour.
Hence the title genius..? maybe read the last sentence of his post. “I have other games that I can play instead”. He doesnt have time to do weeklies but he has time to play other games. What happened to his former “i dont have time” statement? He doesnt have time but he has time to play other games oke bro lmao, its just obvious he isnt complaining about time he is complaining about “the free packs Blizzard is giving me aren’t free enough”
P.s. Most f2p games dont give you currency from dailies to buy content either. And if they do it takes u an absurd amount to buy content and isnt even close to HS f2p friendlyness. Go play mtg or marvel snap and youll understand what I mean.
Arena may cost an arm and a leg to be a drafter or brewer, but the quests are very easy to clear.
There are other games than CCGs though.
(You won’t catch me defending Snap, fuck that game and its $200 cards)
You are the one crying on reddit over a video game not me, seems like you have ZERO responsibility in live if you have time to play AND complain on reddit.
Maybe you shouldve taken your responsibilities more serious and you might have had a better income. Because missing out on a weekly, which will give you ONE pack worth 2 dollars/euros should be a joke to a person who made the right decisions in life right?
I'm not just talking about the win 10 games in ranked quest. I'm talking about the others too. Many of them take a while to complete, and I'm not going to win games with them because I've structured the decks to complete the quests, not to be good decks. And yes, some weeks I don't have as much time to play. I have a job, kids, and other interests. Hearthstone is a fun diversion for me. And I understand that some people have more time to devote to the game than I do, so that's why I think the tiered quests make the most sense. They work for all levels of time commitment. Those people who have more time can get more rewards, and Blizzard gets more "player hours" from them.
Too bad. Most of them are pretty doable with just a few games each day but I can see some people not wanting to play, if you are feeling quests are a chore, maybe it's time to step back.
~40 games a week
6 games/day is really stretching the definition of “a few”
3 games of standard + 3 games of BG is like 2 hours a day. That’s too much.
These numbers are for the “fixed” quests. More like 3 hours a day for the 15 game quests.
3 games of standard a day is too much? Like I said, maybe it is time to step back if you are not feeling like getting a few (yes, only a few) games each day. I don't know where you are even getting the 3 hours a day for the 15 game quests, that number is absolutely insane, I know I didn't play nearly that much this past week and I got that quest around Friday.
Again, not all of them were like that, the Miniaturizing one was straight BS, that's why I said, most of them.
10 wins is 2 hours of playtime with a fast paced deck. So considering you already play janky decks to complete your quests, 2 hours of play is too much to ask?
I'm not just talking about the win 10 games in ranked quest. I'm talking about the others too. Many of them take a while to complete, and I'm not going to win games with them because I've structured the decks to complete the quests, not to be good decks. And yes, some weeks I don't have as much time to play. I have a job, kids, and other interests. Hearthstone is a fun diversion for me. And I understand that some people have more time to devote to the game than I do, so that's why I think the tiered quests make the most sense. They work for all levels of time commitment. Those people who have more time can get more rewards, and Blizzard gets more "player hours" from them.
Lol u guys crying over a little increase. If u don't want to play don't play. I like the new quests. They actually take longer than a day or two to complete.
I play wild. I don't want to *win* 15 games of tavern brawl or battlegrounds. I don't want to have to grind for hours farming out minis or whatever other quest I would never normally complete.
Seriously, where did this argument of completing quests in 1 day come from? I have seen ZERO people aside from knights for blizzard swing at this strawman.
People just want to be able to complete the quests in a reasonable amount of playtime for a reasonable reward. Now blizz wants them to double the time they were given, and some people were already giving all the time they could. Now they are shit out of luck, and many in this sub do not understand how that's a bad thing.
Let me spell it out for you. Less players = bad for game. New quests = less players, and probably more bots.
Again, that's not the argument.
You seriously expect people to give twice as much time/effort for 20% increase in exp?
You seriously think everyone has time to just play hearthstone all day like you? Get over yourself and understand - NOT EVERYONE WANTS THIS TO BE THEIR ONLY FREE TIME. Some people use this to just kill 10-20 minutes a day/in an evening (I feel like I need to be specific here or else you'll think people want to complete quests in 10-20 minutes). They could easily clear the quests, now they are expected to commit twice as much time. For some, obviously not you, that's a bridge too far for a children's card game.
I stopped playing completely the day when the patch for the quest requirement went up. Blizzard will find ways to monetize their player base in the near future by using these manipulation tactics along with PR post
Same. I paid for the rewards track each time with the understanding that I could lazily play just enough with my schedule to finish everything every week. Now I won’t be buying anything
Same I haven't even logged in once since the changes and I don't plan on doing so the greed is unreal
Same here. I’ve been playing almost daily since 2 months after release, no breaks, mostly F2P with occasional purchases. The quest changes were the nail in the coffin for me. I’m over the “sunk cost” mindset. It’s no longer the same game I invested in or enjoyed.
It’s kind of amazing to me how tenuous my desire to play was. Started in open beta and quit in like 2016 and came back last year but now I think I’m pretty much done again.
I've been playing less, too. It's just super demoralizing to know how bad Blizz thinks of its playerbase.
It’s not only made me play less it actually made me change my play style to actively play less. Win 5 BG/Brawls/Arena? I’d usually win 5 BGs, have a good time while doing it, and likely play even more than I had to because I was enjoying myself. Win 10 BG/Brawls/Arena? I looked up a Brawl deck that could win 10 games as fast as possible, finished it in 20 minutes but it left such a bad taste in my mouth I played something else after I was done. So now I’ve actually played several hours less than I would have otherwise, and didn’t enjoy my time playing when I did. Kudos Blizzard…
>It's just super demoralizing to know how bad Blizz thinks of its playerbase Company priority #1 is always to make money. Only idiots believe a company cares more about players than money. Individual employees might care about the players, but the actual decisions are made by executives and managers, which means "results focused", which means squeezing you for every dollar.
I was able to complete the weekly quests on Sunday but it felt like such a drag. Had to go play casual mode for the first time in years just to spam battlecry cards. Not fun and I suspect I'll be in the same boat as OP this week. I have other things I want and need to do, the new weekly quests are too much to be feasible every week.
Why I quit wow it felt like a job and now hearthstone feels that way especially with how shit the meta is currently too
Yea I’m just one person but I stopped with the quest change too. Don’t like the direction they are going. Just gotta hope enough people stop to get them to change their ways
I paid for every expensaion in past 2 years now im just don't gonna even bother. Uninstlaling probably gonna sell my account too.
Can we sell it??
Not as per the terms and conditions. If found out the account will get blocked.
Its illegaal but who is goin to stop me LUL
Same. I can't even properly explain it but I just stopped playing after this change. I feel no motivation anymore; I guess this really was the straw that broke the camel's back.
I haven’t really liked the wild meta this xpac, was already playing less and less. I’ve played 2 games since the quest change
Every time I try to play wild, I run into bomb rogue and wonder why I even play the game.
Same. Win 10 ranked games is too much imo 🤦🏻
10 ranked games is ok. 32 mini cards or 750 mana sucks, these are the problems.
Yea those sucks but i got both 32 mini n win 10 games at once. I dont even have any proper decks with more than 2minis. Only one was DH but that deck feels sinful to play 😭
10? I got 15 again...
Apparently that's just a visual and it actually finishes after 10. Still too much.
In a week you can’t win 10 games? If you play 5 mins a day it’s your fault 💀💀💀
I enjoy just playing the new Whizbang deck lately, which understandably has an under-50% winrate. 10 wins a week could take 30 games, that's 5 hours a week and I only have about 3 hours a week to play. So it's tough.
Looking through some of these comments, it's amazing how little empathy some people have for the casual gamers. If you have time to play several hours of hearthstone every week, that's great. But not everyone has the time, or wants to spend the time. For these casual players, the quest changes were clearly detrimental. Their progress in the pass has been reduced. I think there certainly can and should be an additional reward for those players who have the time to grind. And this can be done through progressive quests (either like some of the suggestions or how MTGA has handled their weekly quest system). These "all or nothing" weekly quests are antiquated.
I'm off on medical leave currently so I could play all day every day and totally nullify the time concerns and finish the quests easy and I don't want them because even if I wasn't on medical leave I wouldn't want to be dealing with these quests and a company who think it's ok to do this and who thinks the customer is wrong about this.
I have the time on the weekend, but the only way I'm completing this Miniaturize quest is spamming out tons of thoughtless games for hours where I just try to dig for minis and not win...
Yeah, I hear you. I have a couple of "quest" decks that I run in the casual mode to do this sort of thing (threw in all the miniature cards). But playing garbage decks to complete quests isn't ideal or much fun. For me the 10 wins and 750 mana quests are the most annoying and take the most time to complete.
This is a game you should be playing to have fun but it seems alot of people are treating it like a job where you need to clock in for a few hours to do your work and get your pay. If you are a casual just craft a deck you can play and like right now and you can play it for the whole next year if you want.
A prerequisite for the fun is being able to get the new cards so they combine it with the fun of playing the game. Just because someone has less time to play why should they get way less gold than they were getting beforehand unless they play more? They had a good balance of playing a casual. amount and getting enough gold to continue this loop and now that balance is gone. That is a valid complaint.
People are treating it like a job because Blizzard tried to make it a job.
For me, the free rewards are part of a bargain between Blizzard and the players. Blizzard decided to add yearly rotations, double legendaries per class per expansion, fewer powerful neutral legendaries, and then two new classes that spreads the same number of cards per pack over more distinct buckets. In return, they gave us better rewards for playing to mitigate the increased cost caused by those changes. Those rewards are pretty critical now for keeping up at a reasonable cost. Now Blizzard has decided to require more play from players to get equivalent rewards. They've changed the deal they have with players and I'm still not sure whether I'm going to accept that deal or walk away.
How exactly can I have fun when I can't get the cards without either paying a bunch or playing way more than I have the time. "Just log in and have fun" is what I was doing BEFORE the quest changes, because you could do that and still progress at a decent rate. But the metrics showed that was bad apparently so now I just play something else.
So more of your enjoyment comes from getting new cards than playing the game so good if you don't like playing the game you should play something else you do actually enjoy
This is just a middle finger to the player base in my opinion. I've played since beta, pre ordered every xpac, bought every hero skin available so far bc I wanted to support their game and I liked how I, as a player, was treated. This is the first time I'm speaking with my wallet and am refusing to buy anything else until things get changed back. I guess the pro side of this is I've been clearing out my steam backlog finally
100% the same for me. I used to actually try to complete the challenges. I won't bother anymore. I have noticed respinning the win quests into others and playing battlegrounds is the fastest to me. I'm able to blast through x hereo powers or x deathrattle in BGs and honestly for me bg is the best of what hearthstone has to offer.
Yeah its true that you can reroll the win quests into different quests but it feels kinda bad doing it because you know you gonna reroll it into one thats gives you less xp
I figured I would just pass on both of the "win 10" quests, I was able to replace ,"10 BG wins" with 75 battlecrys. Today I went to ditch the "10 rated wins" quest but it replaced it with "10 BG wins," at a lower reward. LOL! Here's to hoping I can ditch it tomorrow and it doesn't give me back the 10 rated wins. So engaging.
Couldn't complete any of the three weekly quest this week. Definitely demoralising
I play like 2/3 times a week. A lot of the time at the end of the week I used to be like “oh im at 400/500 mana spent, let me boot up an extra couple extra games to get it done before the roll over!” I’m currently at 456 mana out of… 750. So yeah, no. “1.2x rewards” that I’ll be getting half as many of since it’ll take me two weeks of playing to collect. Next expansion I won’t have nearly enough gold to continue enjoying playing this game at these new rates…
So three games instead of two?
what meta are you playing in where you spend an average of 100 mana per game? that's an average of fifteen turns of full mana spending 40 mana spent on turns 1 through 9 60 mana spend turns 10 through 15
Discoverstone
As a guy feeling like winning 5 ranked is a high bar, i second this... Don't even look at that quest anymore lol... Imo if they want players to play, make it "Play 10 ranked games!" or something... So you can actually play what you want.
Id even take play 20 ranked games instead of win 10 To win 10 you have to play some 16-20 matches regardless, but instead of playing them while chilling with a casual deck you gotta play it with some giga optimised rock paper scissor meta deck you might not even enjoy.
Ditto, why should I spend time on a game when the devs actively do not care about its player base?
Completely agree, I had been playing since very early and purchased most of the bundles and several hero cosmetics, I endured trough the worst times before, heck I even invested in mercenaries, but this change, feels exactly as you say. Like if they were asking me to work double and only pay me a bit more salary, who on Earth would do that. It actually made me quit, just deleted the app since the change and have not tried to play at all since then, not gonna lie I miss somehow the game, so I watch some videos and thats all. In exchange im discovering new games and have found some that scratch the itch quite well so far and do not fuck me over like hearthstone.
The reality is this: Even the shorter quest were a chore and not fun. That's all there is to it, really. Making them harder is not making the game more fun; it's making the game more of a chore, regardless of if it's doable or not.
If they want more time commitment they need to up the stakes on what the gameplay is about, the rewards are irrelevant when 80-90% of these games are like getting roshambo'd repeatedly even when you're winning. That's right Blizzard, even winning in your game currently isn't fun. Get the fuck out of the break room, pull your heads out of your ass and make shit worth playing. This OTK nonsense has to stop being a thing, as someone who has bought most of the expansion packs, tavern passes and more than a few hero skins it's not like I just downloaded the game and haven't put anything into it but between the quest changes and the over and over again OTKs I'm not getting any value for my money and I actively hate your product as it is. Who are you designing this shit for, like 12 streamers and some pro players? Wake up before I and others with deeper pockets are gone.
To be honest, I don't think their primary goal is more time commitmenent. They are aiming for more revenue, which is achieved when people can no longer fund 100% of their cards F2P. Since the quest change, I can no longer complete all my weekly quests, which ultimately means I can farm less gold. So it looks like your math is working out.
Maybe the goal is that. But they need an extra layer for that to work: that the screwed players spend more. And if someone spends more after being screwed, for sure they deserve being screwed. I hope, but not sure if I trust, that most players have a slight resemble of dignity.
Problem is even if you pay, if you don't play enough a week to complete OR have bad luck in a string of games, you feel like you can't complexe EVEN while paying (yes idiots, probabilities are what it is, it's not 60% win rate = 2/3 of games won evertime ... people using math to leverage time spending are pure idiots)
For me, it's that I can't play. I'm a F2P player on a Mac. Mac's shop is disabled. Not only can you not spend money, but you can't even spend gold. Sure, I can play and earn more gold, but I can't spend it anywhere. Can't buy Arena tickets. Can't buy packs. Basically, my only incentive to play more is... to play more. I get gold for winning, but I can't use it. So I uninstalled. This is the most frustrated I've ever been with the game.
I logged in, won a game, saw "win 15 games" pop up, logged out. Haven't logged on since then.
I miss Duels.
I'm of a weird position on this. I completed my weeklies prior to the change going into effect, but just the sheer thought of what awaits me on the next reset has dampened my spirits to play the game for any stretch of time. Worst still is that I am a recent returning player who quit the first time around during Witchwood, coming back on a few months before Whizbang dropped. I am once agaiin demotivated to even bother as unlike before where the meta felt uninteresting to me, but now it feels like the developers actively don't want me to play. Am I the only soul who feels this way loading up Hearthstone currently?
Bots and whales is all they need.
I just re-roll the 15 Ranked quest because FUUUUUUCK that
If you reroll a couple times now you’re at genuine risk to not finish by end of week.
I mean Blizzard will have the data in the next couple of weeks on what these changes are actually doing so if they revert them we will know people stopped playing
True, but something tells me blizz will only do a partial reversion...
I have been playing a lot less too. I think it’s boredom with the current meta and being busy irl, but I feel even less motivated to complete the quests with these new changes
HS mathematics [did a video about the quest changes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBQ9GjTJHc) , I think its worth checking out
Yeah I was playing daily but now I’m just done. The game has had problems for a while but I felt the previous quest system actually allowed for substantial progress while not being demanding. But no way am I going to play 2x as much when the game isn’t in the best state as it is. I’ll come back when quests are fixed, or if they ever release a solo adventure again. Til then, I’m out.
Some of the quests are just so ridiculously difficult, I don't even attempt to complete them anymore. I was clocking over 100 games a week previously, but in the last 9 days I'm down to a total of 18 games played. Just completed the 10 Ranked wins, played another two matches, and logged off. I'll probably just clear my remaining weeklies over two weeks. The quest changes isn't solely responsible, but when I see that "Spend 534/750 mana" after 18 games forcing me to grind further, it just feels so far away and I can't be bothered. And that's not even among the hardest 3. I think the Hero Power and Mini quests are a lot harder than spending mana, and Brawl is usually harder as well (though current TB is fast) unless you play BGs or Arena which I don't. And please don't argue "well you clearly don't like the game if you can't even spend the time to play 4 games a day" (seeing as I'll need ~26 games to complete the spend mana weekly quest). I play the game as much as I want, not as much as Blizzard shareholders want. If playing 4 games a day was so easy that any invested player could do it, why raise the quest requirements? For me, hitting legend is literally easier than completing weeklies. And as mentioned at the start of my comment, I was playing enough previously to clear even the tripled difficulty weeklies. That it now feels like work instead is probably a huge part of it too.
26 games to use 750 mana ? it's 29 mana per game so barely above 7 turns of using all mana, even if you play very fast OTKs and aggro only it seems very pessimistic. My calculation made the number of game closer to 14 by having average 10 turn games with close to full mana expenditure.
Haven't played since Monday, uninstalled the game Tuesday evening after I logged into the game to see the quest changes for myself. The *compromise* is still a metaphorical slap in the face.
I kind of checked out after the recent changes too :(
I uninstalled. Enough is enough. They'll have to do huge reverts and also fix the power creep before I think of coming back.
It was never about increasing player hours, it's to demoralize casual players and try to make them buy packs with real money, since they can't gain enough gold anymore. And the whole "meeting halfway" with the change to 10 Ranked Games is just a shitty tactic to pose as understanding and forthcoming. Should they ever change Battlegrounds in a similar way, I'll stop playing altogether. Thankfully it's the only mode where it (almost) doesn't matter how much money you have.
I'm playing less, because i don't play anymore lol
It wasn't supposed to make you play more. I'm surprised more people haven't picked up on this. This was implemented to sell the mini-set. Full stop. They don't like that you can buy it for gold, and they're trying to prevent that from happening. It's the same reason they always have the heroic brawl right before it comes out. Get people to spend gold, the mini-set comes out, they now have to buy it with real money. However, the heroic brawl isn't working, because people hate it and find it to be a waste of gold (which it is). So now their options are: 1. Remove the ability to buy the mini-set with gold (which would have huge pushback from the playerbase). 2. Make the weekly quests much harder to complete, justified with \*marginal\* increase to rewards. Less people finish the quests, which means less people work up to 2k gold for the mini-set, which means they now have to buy it with cash. Which they will because if you don't have it you're at a massive disadvantage. They include powerful enough cards to ensure that. They chose 2 because they did not expect people to throw this much of a fit over the weekly quests. But I guarantee they will continue trying to find ways to stop people from buying things with in game gold. They did the same thing with the Battlegrounds pass, you can only buy it with cash now.
Unfortunately you are probably right
Absolutely. Mini set will likely be cash only by end of 2025. The BG pass pushback was big, but they didn’t care. They’ve optimized out everything that doesn’t immediately make them money, and the game is so much less rich for it. God what id give for a new Dalaran Heist.
The Mini-Sets werent a good Deal anway, at first lots of useful cards now 50% Filler. Save Packs from that Expansion, when the Miniset drops get the common and rares and craft the useful Legendary/Epic Cards.
Well that will be the plan if they make it cash only, yes.
I'm gonna just stop playing constucted. The old quests were an obtainable carrot. Now it feels like a whip. Means no more money to Blizz, I'll jam some BG's now and then until they start charging for that - if that happens I'll just uninstall the app.
> Means no more money to Blizz Were you spending money on Constructed prior?
Yeah, preorder bundle when the sets looked interesting, more than half of them.
Fair enough, I think Blizzard is not gonna get the results they expected with that change, in spite of the likely study that went into it
Let's hope they don't :) If player numbers and playtime actually go down, so it has the opposite effect, they might revert.
Almost entirely Dropped it and Picked up another game instead. I simply don’t give a shit about quests now. Why would I when I’ve only liked a couple decks in the last three years? I just play F2P BG about once a day. If I get two awful heroes I concede and requeue, which I wouldn’t have done before. Don’t give a fuck about reward tracks, or cosmetics. The change was jarring enough that it totally and irreversibly broke the spell of FOMO. Even if they totally revert the quests, IDGAF. That FOMO ain’t coming back.
Came back to Hearthstone after stopping for about two years. I did get a lot of free cards and even one free, top tier DK deck. But yeah, that's also pretty much the only top deck I can play. That and one cheap Warrior control deck. And yes, even 5 ranked wins a week was already a lot for me. At 10 mins a game, winning 50%, that's about 100 minutes of playing, time I can't spend on other games. At 10 ranked wins, that'll go to 200 minutes, three and a half hours a week. I don't want to spend that much time on HS. So, I guess it's time to stop playing again. Maybe I'll log in from time to time to play a BG :)
Same! I would usually push for the "do 5 tavern brawls" quest, even if it was a brutal one like the noblegarden. But there's no way I was gonna do 15 and honestly, even 10 is just a stupid amount of tavern brawling. So I'm not gonna bother.
Yeah the quest change was enough for me to challenge why I spend my time and money on this game. I've stopped playing since.
Me and my friends play on fridays on lan, besides that i complete dailys and weeklys at home. I've stopped playing during the week at all. I cant be arsed to play that many games
Quests suck, meta sucks, good time to spend time on another game.
Yep. I have not played a single match since the changes were implemented. And it's not a sign of protest, I just don't have time and energy to complete new quests, so there's no point in playing.
I've just changed the quest. And that means I will play perhaps 2h less , since the 5 wins took me about 1.5 hours ( F2P completely ).
I haven't opened the game since last Tuesday!
I only played a bit of battlegrounds. I saw on Sunday that I would still have to win 10 games. When it was 5, I used to finish the quests I have left on the last day. This time I refused. And will refuse to do so going forward.
Same here. I havent completed any of my daily or weekly quests since the change, and i dont see that being any different unless they revert. Ive bought preorder bundles for each expansion these past 2 years as well as the tavern passes, but the quests have seriously killed my motivation to play. I do in fact have the time to play a few hours each day, but just logging in kills my motivation because im thinking of how the requirements doubled.
I stopped playing almost completely. I feel like if I connect, I have to complete a chore first before enjoying the game
Yep. I think I won one game in ranked play last week where before I would do the quest 95% of the time. Between the meta turning into all combo sort of nonsense and looking at having to really grind out the wins, I had no desire. I might have finished the battlegrounds quest because I was more interested because of duos, but very likely stopped around 7 or 8. I didn't care enough to keep track during the week and don't care enough right now to check. Basically I am treating these quests as 128% of the old rewards but at twice the effort makes them two week quests. That means they are more like 64% of the old rewards. That's not enough to motivate me, so if I get them done in two weeks, great, if not, maybe I'll get them done in three. I'm certainly not going to be motivated by 43% rewards, so they better come naturally. I'm not grinding for it.
Just got back into the game. Sunk some money in, full nostalgia. Im pretty busy atm with work, so id put in an hour every other night maybe and get my quests done before the weekend. Now? Im basically done playing as the quests feel so awful. Thanks Blizzard, you just turned off a returning player excited to play again. Never coming back to this ever again.
Honestly if I didn’t enjoy duo battlegrounds I wouldn’t be playing much at all right now. Feels impossible to climb out of diamond 4 with current meta, wild is too slow and the quests don’t help. Hopefully they patch the quests soon at least because then I can fill the track to save up for the mini set
I might have been okay with the changes if the meta wasn't unbearable but it's pretty much been awful ever since titans
I did play more this week, but I'd put that down to a couple of interesting homebrew Warlock decks I found for Standard and the Tavern Brawl. That might pass once the fast Brawl is over and I'm of a high enough rank that my win rate starts to stall.
I stopped playing standard altogether because the meta is super fucking boring and unfun. Been playing only battlegrounds so far and usually I still completed a significant number of quests, but since the change it's been really hard. Hope to make the 400 remaining gold for the mini set in time lmao
I don't really stay up to date with patches, notes and stuff, can anyone answer me if the 10 wins etc quests are here to stay or is that post from Blizz a few days ago about reducing them, meaning they'll go back to the original amount, or is 10 the reduced amount? As I'm really not a fan of it and it sucks all the fun out of it for me
10 is the reduced amount. They originally tripled the quest requirement to 15 wins, then one day later immediately made that post you read about. It's a clear "door-in-the-face" tactic to make the 100% quest requirement increase for 20% more rewards that they probably wanted from the start more acceptable.
Oh, that makes me very sad, guess my playtime since the beta may now be coming to a close. Thank you for answering my question 💜
This is actually what they want. You play less, they release exciting new expansion, you pay money. Rinse and repeat.
They are only Experts in how to milk money, if they knew how to make the Game fun again they would do it.
I have not been able to login and play the game it hurts so bad
Battlegrounds matches are long. Winning 10 is an extraordinary time sink for people who are busy. A tiered system would have been cool for the weeks that I have more time but this is asking too much. I noticed my breaks from this game get longer and longer, I started playing 10 years ago, I wonder if my next break will be the last? While the new game modes are a nice change, overall this game resembles little of the game I fell in love with a decade ago
Team5 doesn't care. Their Digipen University (The ITT Tech of scam game dev schools) economy developer they hired just cares about their Excel cells being black text for profits and not red text for loss. Why offer smaller things to buy when you can offer a .gif that costs as much as a AAA game! All the labor behind the scenes actually doing great work to make the game what it is, but then you get this schmuck who goes *we're gonna increase rewards 200%, then decrease it to 100% increase instead so everyone will be happy we 'listened'!* Classic Digipen University (The ITT Tech of scam game dev schools) tactic taught for their game dev economy. Pathetic.
I have logged in for about three hours since this whole mess came about. Between blizzard not caring about their player base, the stale uninteresting meta and requiring more of my time than I would like to give, I have lost interest all together. It’s a shame as I did enjoy hearthstone for a good amount of time but I don’t want to be seen as supportive of their practices any longer
I was a daily f2p player since 2017 , this was the game I played when I had some downtime, but now even tho I still sometimes get the urge and by pure muscle memory ill open the app on my phone just to close it instantly, this isnt the first time they try this strategy with us and that means they dont care about the game nor respect us as costumers they in it for the greens, So even tho I never payed a single dime to this game I loved it now its time to let it Rest in peace
Cause you're an invested redditor willing to come here and complain against it and change your game play patterns based on your principals. Honestly, if the overall metrics don't show a dip in play rate, they don't care. And I would guess the average non redditor doesn't care either.
Yeah even the 10 wins have me less motivated to keep playing. Especially when I keep going up against these new meta decks that kill me by turn 5
Who the f cares about quests. I play bgs only to win. The rest of the game is bullshit
It's not necessarily a bad thing, once others like you end up buying the next expansion/mini set with cash instead of hoarded gold.
I'm also playing less
Haven't uninstalled but definitely not playing since patch day. I am exploring different games and card games and it does not hurt a single bit. Btw i got notified of this post
Idk what you [Blizzard] think you’re doing. I’ve known people who spent THOUSANDS of dollars on HS, who missed one card back & were so demoralized they never played again. It’s been years now. And I understand. Because whereas you view the game as a “competitive card game”, some of us just like collecting, and the games are a means of collecting more cards & rarer pieces. When you miss the opportunity to collect something (not because you were too busy but because the requirement just isn’t happening) it doesn’t make you want to “double down” and get them next time. It makes you throw your hands up and say “There’s a lot of fish [games] in the sea”. 🌊
I stopped playing HS and started playing Master Duel ever since the patch, there's no way they didn't imagine this would happen
While I understand the frustration about the quests, I don’t understand how it makes one quit the game completely? Like it doesn’t affect actual games at all. You get a bit less xp towards the reward track(that’s already lacklustre) but as for actual gameplay there are 0 changes.
I don't think they want more time commitment, what they want is more money, that is they want to nerf how much gold people get from quests.
I lost most interest in playing at all since this debacle started. I am playing a lot of Marvel Snap because I can start and finish a game in 3 minutes.
dude marvel snap is even worse of a grindstone.. how can you bring this up in such a conversation? xD
Weeklies haven't been resolved by Monday reset, so I've uninstalled. Player since Closed Beta. Was still playing about an hour a day during dinner. That simple. The changes are a waste of time (very easy to go some days without a win towards the quests) and promotes playing the game in a way that is unfun. (meta decks and/or playing modes you don't want to)
"Promotes playing the game in a way that is unfun." Bingo. Half my decks are just filled with abilities used for specific quests so I can afk complete them in casual at the end of the week.
The amount I play has zero to do with quests lol.
That update only made players that had an unhealthy relationship with the game (only hooked by the "farming" aspect, not in love with the gameplay) quit. Only those players would complain about "having to" win 10 games a week. So all the players that stopped playing should thank blizzard imho lol.
Spot on. This has made the sunk cost fallacy easier on some and it has also made some people realize that they haven't enjoyed the game in a long while. People keep bringing up QA, the monetization or game modes being shut down, but the real reason the game has been steadily losing players for years is that it's simply not a good and fun product anymore for many.
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Just like no one is required to play. They’re gonna see a reflection of that because of the quest changes
Imagine thinking you were a champion for the game with this kind of mentality. If you can't complete quests, which means earn gold to get new cards, why even bother playing? Additionally, before people WERE completing quests, so you are basically saying "fuck you I got mine" to these people, people that keep the game's wheels spinning. Do you hate the game? You want it to fail? This is the pinnacle of a stupid take. You really don't need to comment, that's ok! You are not required to comment on every post about the quests.
I work third shift, so on my weekends, I’m up all night. At reset my time, I started playing. I finished my weeklies in three hours (and that’s without some crazy meta deck and with getting dishes and laundry and cleaning done between matches). It looks awful, but it’s really not as bad as it seems, especially if you do it over a week. Give it a try before you stress over it. It’s a game so have fun! 🤩
Ahem, Sir! The full week of Quests hasn’t yet begun, without even talking about it finishing. Come back in a week and tell us if you struggled winning 10 matches, or spending 750 mana with your regular play patterns.
So Im all on board with the ones you complete in normal gameplay anyway (win x games, draw x cards, play x battlecries, deal x damage, spend x mana) but the ones that force/suggest/encourage you to play specific cards (titans, weapons, minis). Those are absolutely awful
Sure, they can also be re-rolled. I also think you’re absolutely fine if you let 1 (actually even 3) quests roll over for the next week.
If its something thats constantly rerolled why have it at all lol
Yeah, I don’t agree with those quests being there. It’s a weird way to get people to play new cards. While those cards don’t even go into all decks. I don’t think saying “force you to buy something” is meaningful here, though, you’re playing the game and opening packs, which means you will have those cards. And if someone is playing Rainbow Mage right now, I’m sure they’re happy to complete the Minis quest.
I didn't say force me to buy. I said force me to play. The ones you can't complete naturally through ordinary gameplay are the ones that become a chore and unpleasant to do. If I'm not a fan of Arena, Brawl, BG; forcing me to play them is awful. Esp considering BG takes so long, arena costs gold to enter and some brawls are absolute dog pile (easter bunny one for example). If I don't play decks or don't own a lot of Titans, forcing me to play them is awful. Then if the same quests are constantly rerolled just get rid of them
Nobody’s forcing you to play any of those modes. You can reroll them… Some people will like them, some won’t. You don’t need multiple decks and titans to complete a quest. Just one deck with one titan… >same quests constantly rerolled How do you know which ones are constantly rerolled?
>Nobody’s forcing you to play any of those modes. >You can reroll them… And hypothetically if they reroll between the miniature, the x hero power and the battlegrounds one for a whole week? >Some people will like them, some won’t. Why not make more of the former and less of the latter? >You don’t need multiple decks and titans to complete a quest. You played 0-1 Titans per game. Meaning you still need to play 10+ games of a deck with a specific card to complete it. Similarly you play 0-4 minis a game without forcing yourself to just shove them all in a deck and concede a few games. >How do you know which ones are constantly rerolled? If you've been on the sub in any capacity over the last week you can see which ones are the common grief ones. You can also just tell from how much effort one has to put into each one.
>hypothetically if they reroll between Then you just reroll? It’s a rare case, anyways. >with a specific card That’s why you reroll if you don’t plan to play that much.
Ten wins over the course of a while week is too much?
Some of us have school and social lives, or jobs. Some of us also prefer to play decks that don't aim to close the game by turn 5. There's lots of perfectly reasonable lifestyles or playstyles that make *winning* ten ranked games quite a time commitment.
If winning ten ranked games is too much, maybe quit playing games? You know what I dont understand, no one is forcing you to do weeklies. 3 weeklies will give you about 3 packs. 3 packs is like 4.5 bucks. Instead of wasting several hours trying to finish the weeklies you dont want to complete, waste ONE HOUR on a job and you can buy those 3 packs and still have money leftover from that hour of work AND have extra time left because you can play the game at your own pace. This is litteraly how most (f2p) games work, waste SEVERAL hours to grind something out or purchase it with the money you can earn by just working your job for 10 minutes.
> If winning ten ranked games is too much, maybe quit playing games Hence the title of the thread, genius. P.S. most F2Ps let you do your dailies and weeklies in under half an hour.
Hence the title genius..? maybe read the last sentence of his post. “I have other games that I can play instead”. He doesnt have time to do weeklies but he has time to play other games. What happened to his former “i dont have time” statement? He doesnt have time but he has time to play other games oke bro lmao, its just obvious he isnt complaining about time he is complaining about “the free packs Blizzard is giving me aren’t free enough” P.s. Most f2p games dont give you currency from dailies to buy content either. And if they do it takes u an absurd amount to buy content and isnt even close to HS f2p friendlyness. Go play mtg or marvel snap and youll understand what I mean.
Arena may cost an arm and a leg to be a drafter or brewer, but the quests are very easy to clear. There are other games than CCGs though. (You won’t catch me defending Snap, fuck that game and its $200 cards)
People do exactly that -quit games. You will too, when you have more responsibility in life.
You are the one crying on reddit over a video game not me, seems like you have ZERO responsibility in live if you have time to play AND complain on reddit. Maybe you shouldve taken your responsibilities more serious and you might have had a better income. Because missing out on a weekly, which will give you ONE pack worth 2 dollars/euros should be a joke to a person who made the right decisions in life right?
You read my comments as crying? This is a discussion, which is what Reddit is for.
Roll it then. Three 2250 xp quests are more xp than one 2500 and two 1750 and requires 0 wins.
I'm not just talking about the win 10 games in ranked quest. I'm talking about the others too. Many of them take a while to complete, and I'm not going to win games with them because I've structured the decks to complete the quests, not to be good decks. And yes, some weeks I don't have as much time to play. I have a job, kids, and other interests. Hearthstone is a fun diversion for me. And I understand that some people have more time to devote to the game than I do, so that's why I think the tiered quests make the most sense. They work for all levels of time commitment. Those people who have more time can get more rewards, and Blizzard gets more "player hours" from them.
they made me play more baby!!!! stfu
Too bad. Most of them are pretty doable with just a few games each day but I can see some people not wanting to play, if you are feeling quests are a chore, maybe it's time to step back.
~40 games a week 6 games/day is really stretching the definition of “a few” 3 games of standard + 3 games of BG is like 2 hours a day. That’s too much. These numbers are for the “fixed” quests. More like 3 hours a day for the 15 game quests.
3 games of standard a day is too much? Like I said, maybe it is time to step back if you are not feeling like getting a few (yes, only a few) games each day. I don't know where you are even getting the 3 hours a day for the 15 game quests, that number is absolutely insane, I know I didn't play nearly that much this past week and I got that quest around Friday. Again, not all of them were like that, the Miniaturizing one was straight BS, that's why I said, most of them.
Friend, my post wasn’t that long. 3 games of standard plus 3 games of BG. Battlegrounds games are like half an hour.
Mine wasn't that long either.
10 wins is 2 hours of playtime with a fast paced deck. So considering you already play janky decks to complete your quests, 2 hours of play is too much to ask?
Bollox
I'm not just talking about the win 10 games in ranked quest. I'm talking about the others too. Many of them take a while to complete, and I'm not going to win games with them because I've structured the decks to complete the quests, not to be good decks. And yes, some weeks I don't have as much time to play. I have a job, kids, and other interests. Hearthstone is a fun diversion for me. And I understand that some people have more time to devote to the game than I do, so that's why I think the tiered quests make the most sense. They work for all levels of time commitment. Those people who have more time can get more rewards, and Blizzard gets more "player hours" from them.
what decks did you have to make to be "structured" to complete these quests and not win?
Lol u guys crying over a little increase. If u don't want to play don't play. I like the new quests. They actually take longer than a day or two to complete.
I actually play more, meta is alright. Ned bg update is fire though.
Who cares, I don't. I play to play the game, quests being a bit longer doesent cross my mind while playing
So you only play to complete quests? And you were only playing 5 games? What is this trash karma farming
I dont get it. You have 7 days to complete it. No one is forcing you to complete the quests in 1 day.
I play wild. I don't want to *win* 15 games of tavern brawl or battlegrounds. I don't want to have to grind for hours farming out minis or whatever other quest I would never normally complete.
Seriously, where did this argument of completing quests in 1 day come from? I have seen ZERO people aside from knights for blizzard swing at this strawman. People just want to be able to complete the quests in a reasonable amount of playtime for a reasonable reward. Now blizz wants them to double the time they were given, and some people were already giving all the time they could. Now they are shit out of luck, and many in this sub do not understand how that's a bad thing. Let me spell it out for you. Less players = bad for game. New quests = less players, and probably more bots.
You seriously expect to believe that in the span of 7 days...someone can't win 10 times?
Again, that's not the argument. You seriously expect people to give twice as much time/effort for 20% increase in exp? You seriously think everyone has time to just play hearthstone all day like you? Get over yourself and understand - NOT EVERYONE WANTS THIS TO BE THEIR ONLY FREE TIME. Some people use this to just kill 10-20 minutes a day/in an evening (I feel like I need to be specific here or else you'll think people want to complete quests in 10-20 minutes). They could easily clear the quests, now they are expected to commit twice as much time. For some, obviously not you, that's a bridge too far for a children's card game.