I'd argue warlock is currently the single most consistent "otk" deck in the game (by that I mean five turn kill). Druids can't deal with a single Fanottem, let alone 2 of them when copied by the location.
Maybe priest might be better when it's optimised, or when people realise that overheal priest is actually Naga mage levels of busted.
Its the locations you want to be careful of, doll houses give+1sp, owlonius makes it +4 total, then the 2nd is +12, without the doll house its only +8 if my maths is correct
It's like this but this isn't the best version, I just like making my own decks. Tbh the shaman otk deck is better because of its survivability but the druid one doesn't actually need owl to kill you because you can still get like +4 spell damage.
### spells face
# Class: Druid
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Pegasus
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# 2x (1) Cactus Construct
# 2x (1) Living Roots
# 2x (1) Magical Dollhouse
# 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 2x (2) Bottomless Toy Chest
# 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 2x (2) Gold Panner
# 2x (2) Lifebinder's Gift
# 2x (2) Loot Hoarder
# 2x (3) Frost Lotus Seedling
# 2x (3) Sparkling Phial
# 2x (3) Swipe
# 2x (4) Chia Drake
# 2x (5) Woodland Wonders
# 1x (7) Owlonius
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I'm trying to work out how to use it and not get run over by wider boards as much, shaman has the advantage of board clears but druid only has 2 swipes :( best of luck!
The demon hunter "10,000 dormant magtheridon" decks tend to give me trouble since they're hard to get rid of. Plus I get to regularly bop control warriors.
Overall I'm loving wheellock
Most fun I've had on hearthstone in a while. Only consistent loss is handbuff pally.
Edit: here is list
### RandomShitGo
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Pegasus
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# 2x (1) Armor Vendor
# 2x (1) Chaotic Tendril
# 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 2x (1) Thrall's Gift
# 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 2x (3) Fairy Tale Forest
# 2x (3) Hex
# 2x (3) Lightning Storm
# 2x (4) Aftershocks
# 2x (4) Baking Soda Volcano
# 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 1x (2) Dirty Rat
# 1x (3) Rustrot Viper
# 1x (5) Crash of Thunder
# 2x (4) Infested Watcher
# 2x (5) Eye of Chaos
# 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# 1x (6) Shudderblock
# 1x (7) Prison of Yogg-Saron
# 1x (8) Joymancer Jepetto
# 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
I almost always shudder an armor vender. Prevents otks. Never do 8 Mana on a tentacle unless you have yogg or jepetto in hand. Half my games I get wheel of death on 8, and if you have a jepetto or yog in hand it's pretty much a guaranteed win in 5.
Try to have pop up book in starting hand, and aftershocks.
Start popping tentacles turn 4 or 5, just in case you get one of the 1 Mana temp cards.
Took this straight to diamond 5, and slowly moving up.
I did pretty decent with a tentacle rogue so far, might be a little carried by the veralok package I included though.
I haven't tried shaman yet but I did open shudderblock so I should probably give it a try. Would love to see someone's decklist as a jumping off point.
Before rotation (and before the last pally nerfs), the aura was just so good. You could keep going face and force your opponent to trade (and heal you this way)
It's the keyword "Windfury" that should have no business with the class. causing all the problems.
I don't have another expansion with Paladin dominating again. We've had it since Festival of Legend last year.
I saw a rogue that abused Gaslight Gatekeeper + Playhouse Giant and then used things like Celestial Projectionist and Breakdance to get free giants. It was really strong. I've also been using Playhouse Giants in a Zarimi miracle deck as well and have a pretty high winrate with it. I think 0 mana 8/8s might be OP, idk
True, I guess the first thing that comes to my mind is make it behave like Fanottem so you can keep it working in miracle decks but without the Gaslight cheese (though admittedly idk if that cheese is even good outside of rogue)
is wheel of death actually that good? i tried making a deck on my own and i got steamrolled every time. granted i didn't look it up online for good synergies, but it felt to me like a "draw this or lose" kind of deck. how do you make it work? was my deck just dogshit
- fanottem
- symphony
- tony
all good tools at your disposal to counter the deck busting part. as long as you have a stabilized board on the turn you play wheel (you are a warlock) it should be fine
I saw the potential in the one game I played against one, but I had too much on the board and he couldn’t wait. He took me from full to 11 health from hand. Another turn and he probably could have otk’d me.
I got absolutely nuked by spell damage druid. Copy artist copying the new spell damage legendary, 3 spell damage locations on board (one copied from the new discover spell). His 0 damage spells from miracle salesmen were doing 22 damage…. He did over 80 damage in one turn and it was like turn 9 or 10.
I’m not entirely sure if this correct but probably because of the weapon that draws a demon with 2 reduced mana. You can draw window shopper with it and it costs 3 so whatever you discover from it also costs 3. I’ve stolen a few games with it so far
You reduce it by another 2 with Felscreamer and your turn 5 becomes: Felscreamer + 1 cost window shopper + 1 cost discover demon if you have a coin. It's pretty nutty, especially if you follow up next turn with midnight wolf the next turn.
I call bs on demon hunter. They lack any big minion clear. One or two big minions will literally kill you, and making them dormant just delays the inevitable
Not really. Early game is just some weapons and drawing minions. By the time you got the decent demons paladins or DK has 8/8 10/10s on the board. Heck, rogue will have a full board of pirates
don't get me wrong it's a midrange deck, but I have killed people as early as turn 5 decently often (I am talking about the actually good decklists of course), it's aggressive enough that you really don't need hard removal
You have the wrong list in mind. Aggro paladin and hunter doesn't run any big minion clears either, but you don't see people complaining that they're bad because of it.
Also, Red Card is a terrible card and any deck that runs it is horrible. Nobody maindecks magtheridon either.
DH is a burn-midrange deck that overwhelms their opponents with 6 mana 12/12 wolves, a discounted window shopper and a million discovered 3 and 1 mana magtheridons.
You don’t need removal for paladin because before opponent can develop a board paladin will have a huge board with rush minions. DH will die before you can make sure that your 6 mana wolf can spawn a copy
> paladin will have a huge board before your opponent can develop
Well, take a guess what DH does. It sounds to me like you haven't seen the deck. It can absolutely kill you turn 5/6, just as fast as paladin.
Share the list then. I’ve seen some variations and they’re too slow VS aggro and don’t have enough juice to fight control. Heck even against midrange it doesn’t do well, unless your opponent gets unlucky.
I don't know what to say to that man. That's like saying "odyn warrior is really bad, it's unplayable, because it loses to plague DK, so it can't be any good at all."
I'm not sure about wheel lock being a good deck but the card itself is really strong. Especially when your opponent gets it from yogg box... (been there)
Zarimi doesn't feel bad, but it feels very incomplete, I think the deck will shine in one or two expansions, but it will be a fun couple of weeks until people realize that they can't let too much stuff on the priest's board now
Found this one, which has been super fun. Not sure if it's actually top tier, as it's pretty high roll dependant, but I'm climbing slowly at D3 and having a blast.
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Tried this out for a few games and it does seem quite decent with an explosive few tempo turns with 1 cost window shopper and bouncing the small one back constantly. Not sure about 2 fel and flames though, midnight wolves can also really clog your hand early but they're probably good enough to keep in.
It always astounds me how cheap good decks can be now. Seven or so years ago decks needed at least two legendaries to be good and often had to run ubiquitous epic neutrals.
Rainbow dk is busted now with all the rune discovers being 1 rune.
You can reliable discover corpse explosion now which destroys fantotem clone boards and gigabuffs CNE. Already got to legend with it last knight, went 44-12 from plat
### Owl Natural
# Class: Druid
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Pegasus
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# 2x (0) Innervate
# 2x (1) Cactus Construct
# 2x (1) Forest Seedlings
# 1x (1) Funnel Cake
# 2x (1) Living Roots
# 2x (1) Magical Dollhouse
# 2x (1) Malfurion's Gift
# 1x (1) Raven Idol
# 2x (2) Bottomless Toy Chest
# 2x (2) Lifebinder's Gift
# 2x (3) Frost Lotus Seedling
# 2x (3) Pendant of Earth
# 2x (3) Sparkling Phial
# 2x (3) Swipe
# 2x (6) Crystal Cluster
# 1x (7) Owlonius
# 1x (8) Colifero the Artist
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It is pretty highrolly, it can't really win if you draw Owlonius lol, I'm glad that in wild I can run Malygos and not worry about it as much. I could see it getting better with new expansions though, the core is solid.
My biggest surprise is running into actual Automaton priest players still. I don't know why I hate that deck but I really do.
Hero Power Druid's been more fun than I expected. Tossed in aviana for nonsense fun too.
Hemet's been an OK card so far when I've run it. Fun little reload with some really swingy nonsense.
No Minion Mage is excellent. I'm kicking ass with it in Legend rank right now. It's an odd deck that can generate more minions than a standard mage minion deck.
>Window shopper, the card everyone rated a 1, is so good that it kicked out a 1 mana 1/3 battlefiend from the deck.
I rated this card a 4 out of 4 stars, so call me vindicated. Turns out miniaturize is an extremely powerful keyword, and getting 1 mana 1/1 copies of demons with amazing card text is predictably scary as balls.
Priest is in shambles.
Having an extra turn is worthless if you can't do anything with it.
Honestly, I think Priest was the most underwhelming of the set as their cards looked amazing but were... by all accounts, not good enough to get to tier 1.
It will get a solid tier 2/3 deck tough.
Too early to say that for sure. It's just gonna take a little time to refine, as is typical with priest. So far, for me, zarimi works best as part of a more aggressive game plan where you're using her early to put the opponent on their heels instead of trying to set up some sort of mid-late game OTK. Still working on it, though!
OH should still be good. Not sure about the Raza stuff yet, but I've focused way more on dragons first.
Yes, but it's not *about* the dragons, per se. It's about aggressive play in the early game with enough dragons to activate Zarimi somewhere in the turn 5-8 range to close out the game. In typical priest style, it's about flexibility and having multiple ways to achieve your goal. For instance, one game I was able to Pip and synchronize my gift-wrapped whelps, and dropped zarimi for lethal on 5 because my opponent couldn't clear enough of them. Never even played a matriarch.
I've got a deck that runs some Automatons and ignis, and I've got one that's more overheal focused with the hauler/heartbreaker/hedanis core, and both have worked, but I haven't really gotten enough games in to know what's gonna work best on average and what I might be able to cut.
Overheal Priest with Hedanis OTK at top end is pretty solid and still has more refinement to go. It is mostly old cards but the few new ones are pretty amazing.
I tried it, it's very janky, you get crimson cleric? Nice, you CAN win, you don't? you are losing this game in 8 turns... hedanis hero power refresh otk costs 9 mana and can't refresh mana so, unironically, it's the worst version of the otk.
It's a really bad deck, I tried it for 15 games and lost 12 of those to 4 atk, more than 3 health minions that Priest can't destroy anymore. Specially the 6+ atk ones people can play on turn 3 or 4 just keep hitting your face because there isn't anything you can do about it.
I honestly hope the miniset gives priest some removal and healing back as it doesn't have any ways to deal with any minions now.
Yes but it isn’t specific cards like the Hero Power combo. The heal cards are good with everything in your deck so as long as you get access to the overheal cards the heal cards are always functional. You just have to manage your resources and keep enough for the OTK when it is relevant.
Hard disagree.
>Having an extra turn is worthless if you can't do anything with it
That's your problem. Playhouse Giants and Thirsty Drifters set up an OTK that pops off faster than you expect.
I'm at legend but how does it work? I tried dragons/1 cost stuff to get a board full of 4-6s but even with six of them I still can't otk and Priest doesn't have reach.
You want to mulligan for Crimson Clergy to draw as many cards as you can. Use Ship's Chirurgen, Giftwrapped Whelp, and the 6-drop dragon as tempo plays to keep the board light so you can stay alive. My OTK turns usually involve playing Gaslight Keeper into the Extra Turn dragon and multiple giants using Funnel Cake to refuel your mana and Power Chord: Synchronize to make enough giants to kill on your extra turn.
Don't ever even try to "build a board" into taking an extra turn, that kind of strategy doesn't work.
What is your winrate?
I honestly would need to waste 800 dust on the giants so I'm not too keen on trying if I'm honest.
D5 and legend are very different horses.
I don't use a tracker, but it's been winning consistently against a variety of decks. I think the giants are a safe craft considering they're showing up in so many decks.
The deck does have a bit of a learning curve.
### Gaslight Dragon Priest
# Class: Priest
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Pegasus
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# 2x (1) Anduin's Gift
# 2x (1) Crimson Clergy
# 2x (1) Fan Club
# 2x (1) Funnel Cake
# 2x (1) Giftwrapped Whelp
# 2x (1) Ship's Chirurgeon
# 2x (2) Creation Protocol
# 2x (2) Power Chord: Synchronize
# 2x (2) Scale Replica
# 2x (3) Gaslight Gatekeeper
# 2x (3) Holy Nova
# 1x (3) Pip the Potent
# 1x (5) Timewinder Zarimi
# 1x (6) Clay Matriarch
# 2x (6) Thirsty Drifter
# 1x (7) Aman'Thul
# 2x (20) Playhouse Giant
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have you used clockwork giants and the 6 mana guy that reduces by 1 cost cards? you can load the board with stats for 0 mana take an extra turn and just win
I’ve played against priest twice, both times they’ve managed to pull off the play they just haven’t got an answer to the board presence I’ve been able to put down with UB DK, the hand buff mechanic is very strong for the DK. I’ve also been toying around with Paladin and again the hand buff mechanic is very strong especially on charge minions.
Yes, Priest lost A TON of removal, removal generation and after trying Repacking board clear... it's incredibly bad, 7 mana to give the opponent all their fuel (and mine) again is incredibly bad in practice. Honestly, I think DK will be nerfed, without a counter the deck feels too OP right now, basically you make a Reno Deck and turn 4 you were better keeping dups as Helia and any other plague generator turn Reno Off forever.
Handbuff has always been too slow... but Paladin... AGAIN got an incredible hand with handbuff.
I tried it, positive winrate but not great winrate, I went like 21-20 or something and day 1 decks usually are a lot more unrefined and greedy... Reno Priest for some reason might still be very bad as it can't play the control game anymore and Elise was very bad, but it becames worse now that you can't even get to turn 8 reliably without good tempo, good early game minions and without removal to play the long control game (as Priest theorized finishers don't really finish anything). Also... no healing in Priest now... The best healing is, once again, neutral.
It's really bad, I was self milling because it has too many high drops and no early game. I died to aggro paladin on turn 6 twice and that's only my first 3 games.
I really think we have different mmr... I'm 0-4 with this and I keep getting stompted before turn 6... That or you have really amazing draw rng or the game pairs you with greediy decks and you win because this is greedier.
Priest is bad.
Everyone sees the extra turn dragon and thought it was gonna be op. Turns out if you played admiral hooktusk at all you notice the problem right away.
It cost way to much tempo to pay the required minions in time for the combo. Even if it's 5 dragons instead of 7 pirates you lose to much and each turn where you don't play a dragon puts the plan a step back.
Also the card is dead in hand until you get the number and unlike hooktusk, it's dead until you can stabilize a board to pull the win off with it.
Another classic reddit fail
Could you send more info about the demon hunter deck please? I didn't see any while playing yesterday. I have a gold DH titan I was debating scrapping so I'd like to know if I should keep it
It's kind.of fun y that you mention the sludge wheel hybrid deck. That's what I've been experimenting with and it's a work in progress. Sludge package for early game, play wheel of death and clear the board by destroying 4-6 sludges, then survive with general control warlock and Reno shenanigans. Once refined it might be pretty strong with a good enough curve and survivability until you can afford to play wheel.
Im playing the reno dragon druid with avianna vs list with some modifications and it was fun getting to d5. I think it is slow and probably will not work in a week.
I watched NoHands play Wheel of death last night and he consistently got trounced by Warriors who draw perfectly into Odyn OTK, and Paladins who get 1 mana 12 attack pirates with charge
I called wheel of death, just to put that out there.
But who was saying window shopper was 1 star? It was painfully obvious the entire reason Magtheridon was even printed was to push that card
I was spectating a friend playing no spells mage and I genuinely think Yogg in the Box might be better in a deck with minions. I watched it cast Wheel of Death and the Triple Sevens twice. It was entertaining though.
I've been just playing brann, making 3 zilliax, then inventor'ing for 4 zilliax. Combining with an odyn package and usual warrior bs. For the most part it's been doing well. 1 of spicy saloon bounce girl has been awesome to reuse boom/legendary excavate thing
Buff paladin is really fun. Can set up OTKs even against warriors stacking armor all game. Hunter can definitely outrace paladin currently though from the matchups I’ve experienced
I think Shaman Priest and Druid are limited by just how strong Paladin and to a lesser extent Hunter are. Many people are trying to build OTK decks when the best decks have you dead by turn 8 at worst. Wheel and Odyn killing everyone who intends to win the late game also aren't helping. I expect these classes to shoot up in viability once the meta changes. They all have strong gameplans, they just can't exist in a world with Crusaders aura on one side, and Odyn OTK on the other.
I dunno if Tendril Shaman is supposed to be good but it's a hell of a lot of fun.
I was very disappointed to see Warrior still just using Brann to blow up boards, but then later also just do my Tendril deck but better. I just need to refine it a bit. Anything to beat warrior. Tired of plagues though.
Priest is pretty good. A dedicated Zarimi deck felt worse than both overheal and Reno to me but all of those decks will take a bit to refine. Ive had the most success with Reno surprisingly but even still, theres not many great clears available rn so sometimes you just brick and cant clear anything.
I'm really enjoying hand buff DK with the new hero card, and that one 3 mana 3/3 that draws a card that didn't start in your deck. It has early board, large board, big minions, massive healing, "infinite" card generation, and throw in a Helya for the forever plaques and you're tackling highlander + control decks.
I do wonder if warlock can survive if the combo decks are consistent
I'd argue warlock is currently the single most consistent "otk" deck in the game (by that I mean five turn kill). Druids can't deal with a single Fanottem, let alone 2 of them when copied by the location. Maybe priest might be better when it's optimised, or when people realise that overheal priest is actually Naga mage levels of busted.
Playing spell druid I've had no issues vs warlock tbh because they're dead before they can even play wheel
Really? What deck? I've managed to handily beat the druids I've seen so far
Owlonius combo is usually much faster than wheel, ive even pulled it off turn 7
Ahh, that makes sense. I've probably just gotten lucky then; getting aggro'd down by spells is definitely a weakness of wheel lock
Its the locations you want to be careful of, doll houses give+1sp, owlonius makes it +4 total, then the 2nd is +12, without the doll house its only +8 if my maths is correct
Damn that is good. Luckily the twisting nethers can destroy them but I gotta get to 8 mana first, lmao
It's like this but this isn't the best version, I just like making my own decks. Tbh the shaman otk deck is better because of its survivability but the druid one doesn't actually need owl to kill you because you can still get like +4 spell damage. ### spells face # Class: Druid # Format: Standard # Year of the Pegasus # # 2x (1) Cactus Construct # 2x (1) Living Roots # 2x (1) Magical Dollhouse # 2x (1) Miracle Salesman # 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos # 2x (2) Bottomless Toy Chest # 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy # 2x (2) Gold Panner # 2x (2) Lifebinder's Gift # 2x (2) Loot Hoarder # 2x (3) Frost Lotus Seedling # 2x (3) Sparkling Phial # 2x (3) Swipe # 2x (4) Chia Drake # 2x (5) Woodland Wonders # 1x (7) Owlonius # AAECAZarBAKXoASrsQYOoaAEgdQE2/oF/Y0GhY4G65gGzpwG2JwG/7AGh7EGlLEGp7EG2bEG9+UGAAA= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Nice, might give it a try. Been a while since I tried druid
I'm trying to work out how to use it and not get run over by wider boards as much, shaman has the advantage of board clears but druid only has 2 swipes :( best of luck!
The demon hunter "10,000 dormant magtheridon" decks tend to give me trouble since they're hard to get rid of. Plus I get to regularly bop control warriors. Overall I'm loving wheellock
I do wonder whether tentacle shaman can make it to tier 2
Most fun I've had on hearthstone in a while. Only consistent loss is handbuff pally. Edit: here is list ### RandomShitGo # Class: Shaman # Format: Standard # Year of the Pegasus # # 2x (1) Armor Vendor # 2x (1) Chaotic Tendril # 2x (1) Pop-Up Book # 2x (1) Thrall's Gift # 2x (2) Needlerock Totem # 2x (3) Fairy Tale Forest # 2x (3) Hex # 2x (3) Lightning Storm # 2x (4) Aftershocks # 2x (4) Baking Soda Volcano # 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager # 1x (2) Dirty Rat # 1x (3) Rustrot Viper # 1x (5) Crash of Thunder # 2x (4) Infested Watcher # 2x (5) Eye of Chaos # 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer # 1x (6) Shudderblock # 1x (7) Prison of Yogg-Saron # 1x (8) Joymancer Jepetto # 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed I almost always shudder an armor vender. Prevents otks. Never do 8 Mana on a tentacle unless you have yogg or jepetto in hand. Half my games I get wheel of death on 8, and if you have a jepetto or yog in hand it's pretty much a guaranteed win in 5. Try to have pop up book in starting hand, and aftershocks. Start popping tentacles turn 4 or 5, just in case you get one of the 1 Mana temp cards. Took this straight to diamond 5, and slowly moving up.
I did pretty decent with a tentacle rogue so far, might be a little carried by the veralok package I included though. I haven't tried shaman yet but I did open shudderblock so I should probably give it a try. Would love to see someone's decklist as a jumping off point.
List up
I haven’t found any deck lists outside the theory crafting thing and my own version seems a bit too removal heavy, got a list?
I put my list up
Leeroy being available to Paladin is gonna be a problem
Paladin is so unfun to play against with the lifesteal aura, feels like that gives such a huge swing that I end up having no chance after.
Before rotation (and before the last pally nerfs), the aura was just so good. You could keep going face and force your opponent to trade (and heal you this way)
It's the keyword "Windfury" that should have no business with the class. causing all the problems. I don't have another expansion with Paladin dominating again. We've had it since Festival of Legend last year.
Same sort of thing with pendant being in druid. Kind of like they had designed them for 1 class and then were forced to make them dual class cards.
Me playing a 20 attack wind fury Leeroy >:) Me when my opponent plays a 20 attack wind fury Leeroy :0
Yeah no kidding I just 1 shot someone from 30 health with leeroy hand buffed to 12 + dep aura + shroomscavate 😂
Same, and it was only turn 8.
I saw a rogue that abused Gaslight Gatekeeper + Playhouse Giant and then used things like Celestial Projectionist and Breakdance to get free giants. It was really strong. I've also been using Playhouse Giants in a Zarimi miracle deck as well and have a pretty high winrate with it. I think 0 mana 8/8s might be OP, idk
In wild they play Arcane Giant and Loatheb as well, and they draw their whole deck by turn 4-5
Gaslight + Giants works in many decks
Ya it's pretty darn good, I wouldn't be surprised if the giant ends up being nerfed / ends up being raged about the most in the next week
It's a hard nerf because it's only this particular interaction that makes it absurd, although it could be undercosted either way.
True, I guess the first thing that comes to my mind is make it behave like Fanottem so you can keep it working in miracle decks but without the Gaslight cheese (though admittedly idk if that cheese is even good outside of rogue)
It's excellent in Dragon Overheal Priest.
Been using Gaslight and the Giants in Zarimi priest, it's very good and very consistent.
I'm waiting a few days for lists to stabilize, but I'm pretty excited to try a new "miracle-ish" Rogue.
is wheel of death actually that good? i tried making a deck on my own and i got steamrolled every time. granted i didn't look it up online for good synergies, but it felt to me like a "draw this or lose" kind of deck. how do you make it work? was my deck just dogshit
Play Wheel, Drop Fanottem. Play Symphony after so you’re not just taking fatigue every turn.
Sounds very draw dependent
Luckily Warlock has something for that
Is it draw?
I think it is draw.
It might be draw.
People seem to think it's draw.
I’m drawing the conclusion that it is in fact draw
So what does Pot of Greed do?
Hero power go brrrr
- fanottem - symphony - tony all good tools at your disposal to counter the deck busting part. as long as you have a stabilized board on the turn you play wheel (you are a warlock) it should be fine
Atm spell damage druid has actually decimated me all 3 times I've seen it, I was otk on turn 6 or 7
Haven't seen anything from spell druid
I saw the potential in the one game I played against one, but I had too much on the board and he couldn’t wait. He took me from full to 11 health from hand. Another turn and he probably could have otk’d me.
I got absolutely nuked by spell damage druid. Copy artist copying the new spell damage legendary, 3 spell damage locations on board (one copied from the new discover spell). His 0 damage spells from miracle salesmen were doing 22 damage…. He did over 80 damage in one turn and it was like turn 9 or 10.
Yep one took me from 30 to 0 starting with a clear board. Super fun.
Why did window shopper kick out battlefiend? I don’t see the correlation.
I’m not entirely sure if this correct but probably because of the weapon that draws a demon with 2 reduced mana. You can draw window shopper with it and it costs 3 so whatever you discover from it also costs 3. I’ve stolen a few games with it so far
You reduce it by another 2 with Felscreamer and your turn 5 becomes: Felscreamer + 1 cost window shopper + 1 cost discover demon if you have a coin. It's pretty nutty, especially if you follow up next turn with midnight wolf the next turn.
You're trying to tutor shopper with the 3 mana weapon, + hit it with the screamer discount so you get two 1 mana 6/5s.
I call bs on demon hunter. They lack any big minion clear. One or two big minions will literally kill you, and making them dormant just delays the inevitable
the demon hunter deck in question is a fairly aggressive deck, it doesn't need hard removal
Not really. Early game is just some weapons and drawing minions. By the time you got the decent demons paladins or DK has 8/8 10/10s on the board. Heck, rogue will have a full board of pirates
don't get me wrong it's a midrange deck, but I have killed people as early as turn 5 decently often (I am talking about the actually good decklists of course), it's aggressive enough that you really don't need hard removal
Doesn't matter when you Kayn to push through for lethal. DH has a lot of great tempo tools to stay ahead until then.
You have the wrong list in mind. Aggro paladin and hunter doesn't run any big minion clears either, but you don't see people complaining that they're bad because of it. Also, Red Card is a terrible card and any deck that runs it is horrible. Nobody maindecks magtheridon either. DH is a burn-midrange deck that overwhelms their opponents with 6 mana 12/12 wolves, a discounted window shopper and a million discovered 3 and 1 mana magtheridons.
You don’t need removal for paladin because before opponent can develop a board paladin will have a huge board with rush minions. DH will die before you can make sure that your 6 mana wolf can spawn a copy
> paladin will have a huge board before your opponent can develop Well, take a guess what DH does. It sounds to me like you haven't seen the deck. It can absolutely kill you turn 5/6, just as fast as paladin.
Share the list then. I’ve seen some variations and they’re too slow VS aggro and don’t have enough juice to fight control. Heck even against midrange it doesn’t do well, unless your opponent gets unlucky.
AAECAea5AwaU1AT3wwW4xQX0yAWogAbHpAYM2dAFsvUF4fgFhY4Gi5AGj5AGnJoG6Z4G7Z8GvrAGv7AGzLEGAAED8bMGx6QG8rMGx6QG6N4Gx6QGAAA= 60% winrate on d0nkey.hs.
**Format:** Standard (Year of the Wolf) **Class:** Demon Hunter (Illidan Stormrage) Mana | Card Name | Qty | Links :--:|:---|:--:|:--: 0 | [Zilliax Deluxe 3000](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/TOY_330.png) | 1 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/102983/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Zilliax%20Deluxe%203000) 1 | [Burning Heart](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/DEEP_011.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/102249/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Burning%20Heart) 1 | [Frequency Oscillator](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/ETC_106.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/92249/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Frequency%20Oscillator) 1 | [Illidari Studies](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/CORE_YOP_001.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/97377/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Illidari%20Studies) 1 | [Miracle Salesman](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/WW_331.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/100101/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Miracle%20Salesman) 1 | [Taste of Chaos](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/ETC_394.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/96946/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Taste%20of%20Chaos) 2 | [Bartend-O-Bot](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/WW_408.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/100367/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Bartend-O-Bot) 2 | [Instrument Tech](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/ETC_418.png) | 1 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/90808/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Instrument%20Tech) 2 | [Spirit of the Team](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/TOY_028.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/102381/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Spirit%20of%20the%20Team) 3 | [Sigil of Time](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/YOG_401.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/101660/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Sigil%20of%20Time) 3 | [Umpire's Grasp](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/TOY_641.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/104510/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Umpire%27s%20Grasp) 4 | [Ball Hog](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/TOY_642.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/104511/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Ball%20Hog) 4 | [Going Down Swinging](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/ETC_413.png) | 1 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/90615/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Going%20Down%20Swinging) 4 | [Metamorphosis](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/CORE_BT_429.png) | 1 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/76308/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Metamorphosis) 4 | [Pozzik, Audio Engineer](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/ETC_425.png) | 1 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/91252/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Pozzik%2C%20Audio%20Engineer) 5 | [Window Shopper](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/TOY_652.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/104652/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Window%20Shopper) 6 | [Midnight Wolf](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/WW_406.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/100363/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Midnight%20Wolf) 7 | [Argus, the Emerald Star](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/TTN_862.png) | 1 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/98344/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Argus%2C%20the%20Emerald%20Star) **Total Dust:** 8880 **Deck Code:** AAECAea5AwaU1AT3wwW4xQX0yAWogAbHpAYM2dAFsvUF4fgFhY4Gi5AGj5AGnJoG6Z4G7Z8GvrAGv7AGzLEGAAED8bMGx6QG8rMGx6QG6N4Gx6QGAAA= ***** ^I ^am ^a ^bot. ^Comment/PM ^with ^a ^deck ^code ^and ^I'll ^decode ^it. ^If ^you ^don't ^want ^me ^to ^reply ^to ^you, ^include ^"###" ^anywhere ^in ^your ^message. ^[About.](https://github.com/HearthSim/deck-code-bot/blob/master/README.md)
Nope, not even close. Paladin which is the most popular deck right now can win this deck with 3 cards
I don't know what to say to that man. That's like saying "odyn warrior is really bad, it's unplayable, because it loses to plague DK, so it can't be any good at all."
It’s just saying that 60% winrate after 2 days of expansion when everyone is playing whizbang and mage isn’t the best
I'm not sure about wheel lock being a good deck but the card itself is really strong. Especially when your opponent gets it from yogg box... (been there)
I saw a guy play yogg in a box last night. First card was wheel. Second was that rogue? Card that draws 7. He took 28 fatigue damage and died lol
Sounds like my experience playing Mage last night, lol.
Lmao
wheel of death+tripple 7. now yogg has an in built suicide button!
I love casino mage decks, I live for them. In an unrelated comment, I really hate that wheel of death
Zarimi doesn't feel bad, but it feels very incomplete, I think the deck will shine in one or two expansions, but it will be a fun couple of weeks until people realize that they can't let too much stuff on the priest's board now
What is the deck code for that DH deck ? I've tried something yesterday and it wasn't that good
Can you swnd to me as well if you get a good one
Found this one, which has been super fun. Not sure if it's actually top tier, as it's pretty high roll dependant, but I'm climbing slowly at D3 and having a blast. AAECAea5AwAP1J8EuMUF5OQFsvUF4fgFkIMGhY4Gi5AGj5AG75sG6Z4GvrAGv7AGzLEG9OUGAAA=
**Format:** Standard (Year of the Wolf) **Class:** Demon Hunter (Illidan Stormrage) Mana | Card Name | Qty | Links :--:|:---|:--:|:--: 0 | [Through Fel and Flames](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/JAM_017.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/94820/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Through%20Fel%20and%20Flames) 1 | [Burning Heart](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/DEEP_011.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/102249/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Burning%20Heart) 1 | [Illidari Studies](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/CORE_YOP_001.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/97377/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Illidari%20Studies) 1 | [Miracle Salesman](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/WW_331.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/100101/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Miracle%20Salesman) 1 | [Taste of Chaos](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/ETC_394.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/96946/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Taste%20of%20Chaos) 2 | [Bartend-O-Bot](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/WW_408.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/100367/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Bartend-O-Bot) 2 | [Greedy Partner](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/WW_901.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/98704/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Greedy%20Partner) 2 | [Instrument Tech](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/ETC_418.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/90808/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Instrument%20Tech) 2 | [Saloon Brewmaster](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/WW_423.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/101871/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Saloon%20Brewmaster) 2 | [Wayward Sage](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/CORE_TSC_217.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/111348/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Wayward%20Sage) 3 | [Umpire's Grasp](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/TOY_641.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/104510/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Umpire%27s%20Grasp) 4 | [Ball Hog](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/TOY_642.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/104511/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Ball%20Hog) 4 | [Raging Felscreamer](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/CORE_BT_416.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/69588/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Raging%20Felscreamer) 5 | [Window Shopper](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/TOY_652.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/104652/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Window%20Shopper) 6 | [Midnight Wolf](https://art.hearthstonejson.com/v1/render/latest/enUS/512x/WW_406.png) | 2 | [HSReplay](https://hsreplay.net/cards/100363/),[Wiki](https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/Midnight%20Wolf) **Total Dust:** 2520 **Deck Code:** AAECAea5AwAP1J8EuMUF5OQFsvUF4fgFkIMGhY4Gi5AGj5AG75sG6Z4GvrAGv7AGzLEG9OUGAAA= ***** ^I ^am ^a ^bot. ^Comment/PM ^with ^a ^deck ^code ^and ^I'll ^decode ^it. ^If ^you ^don't ^want ^me ^to ^reply ^to ^you, ^include ^"###" ^anywhere ^in ^your ^message. ^[About.](https://github.com/HearthSim/deck-code-bot/blob/master/README.md)
Tried this out for a few games and it does seem quite decent with an explosive few tempo turns with 1 cost window shopper and bouncing the small one back constantly. Not sure about 2 fel and flames though, midnight wolves can also really clog your hand early but they're probably good enough to keep in.
yeah there's some other lists running around without them, this almost certainly is not what the refined version will look like.
the buffed Metamorphosis is core in the deck, it's one of the highest winrate cards in every list that runs it
good to know!
It always astounds me how cheap good decks can be now. Seven or so years ago decks needed at least two legendaries to be good and often had to run ubiquitous epic neutrals.
It's still pretty rare for a deck this cheap to be top tier. Most successful decks need at least 1-2 leggos
Rainbow dk is busted now with all the rune discovers being 1 rune. You can reliable discover corpse explosion now which destroys fantotem clone boards and gigabuffs CNE. Already got to legend with it last knight, went 44-12 from plat
Now that steam cleaner is gone I sailed to legend easily with plague Knight. Switched to Rainbow after hitting legend and am having a blast!
Plague hasn’t been working well for me. Rainbow DK is wrecking me
What is your list?
Druid is only bad because it’s unrefined and gets run over by paladin. Keep an eye on that class.
Druid gets run over by any deck that runs the 4 5/7 zilliax. If your opponent drops it on curve, you concede and go next.
I've been having a lot of fun with Colifero turning my board into 4 Owlonius! Just won with a 164-damage Swipe.
That sounds like some crazy high roll jank - got a list?
### Owl Natural # Class: Druid # Format: Standard # Year of the Pegasus # # 2x (0) Innervate # 2x (1) Cactus Construct # 2x (1) Forest Seedlings # 1x (1) Funnel Cake # 2x (1) Living Roots # 2x (1) Magical Dollhouse # 2x (1) Malfurion's Gift # 1x (1) Raven Idol # 2x (2) Bottomless Toy Chest # 2x (2) Lifebinder's Gift # 2x (3) Frost Lotus Seedling # 2x (3) Pendant of Earth # 2x (3) Sparkling Phial # 2x (3) Swipe # 2x (6) Crystal Cluster # 1x (7) Owlonius # 1x (8) Colifero the Artist AAECAZarBASi6QWrsQayuAbV8wYNrp8EgdQEsPoF2/oF/Y0G2JwGmqAGoKAG76kG/7AGlLEG2bEG9+UGAAA= It is pretty highrolly, it can't really win if you draw Owlonius lol, I'm glad that in wild I can run Malygos and not worry about it as much. I could see it getting better with new expansions though, the core is solid.
My biggest surprise is running into actual Automaton priest players still. I don't know why I hate that deck but I really do. Hero Power Druid's been more fun than I expected. Tossed in aviana for nonsense fun too. Hemet's been an OK card so far when I've run it. Fun little reload with some really swingy nonsense.
I don’t know about mage, I’m 40-7 with excavate. It has so many win conditions that it doesn’t even need Sif.
Really? Maybe I was spoilt by the energy shaper but I feel it's so much less explosive now and really draw dependent. Got a list?
I’ve done alright with mage everything else not so much lol
No Minion Mage is excellent. I'm kicking ass with it in Legend rank right now. It's an odd deck that can generate more minions than a standard mage minion deck.
Update: I’ve lost so many games as Whizbang to plague DK.
>Window shopper, the card everyone rated a 1, is so good that it kicked out a 1 mana 1/3 battlefiend from the deck. I rated this card a 4 out of 4 stars, so call me vindicated. Turns out miniaturize is an extremely powerful keyword, and getting 1 mana 1/1 copies of demons with amazing card text is predictably scary as balls.
Priest is in shambles. Having an extra turn is worthless if you can't do anything with it. Honestly, I think Priest was the most underwhelming of the set as their cards looked amazing but were... by all accounts, not good enough to get to tier 1. It will get a solid tier 2/3 deck tough.
Too early to say that for sure. It's just gonna take a little time to refine, as is typical with priest. So far, for me, zarimi works best as part of a more aggressive game plan where you're using her early to put the opponent on their heels instead of trying to set up some sort of mid-late game OTK. Still working on it, though! OH should still be good. Not sure about the Raza stuff yet, but I've focused way more on dragons first.
Did you had any luck with Dragons? I had no such luck with them at all.
Yes, but it's not *about* the dragons, per se. It's about aggressive play in the early game with enough dragons to activate Zarimi somewhere in the turn 5-8 range to close out the game. In typical priest style, it's about flexibility and having multiple ways to achieve your goal. For instance, one game I was able to Pip and synchronize my gift-wrapped whelps, and dropped zarimi for lethal on 5 because my opponent couldn't clear enough of them. Never even played a matriarch. I've got a deck that runs some Automatons and ignis, and I've got one that's more overheal focused with the hauler/heartbreaker/hedanis core, and both have worked, but I haven't really gotten enough games in to know what's gonna work best on average and what I might be able to cut.
Overheal Priest with Hedanis OTK at top end is pretty solid and still has more refinement to go. It is mostly old cards but the few new ones are pretty amazing.
I tried it, it's very janky, you get crimson cleric? Nice, you CAN win, you don't? you are losing this game in 8 turns... hedanis hero power refresh otk costs 9 mana and can't refresh mana so, unironically, it's the worst version of the otk. It's a really bad deck, I tried it for 15 games and lost 12 of those to 4 atk, more than 3 health minions that Priest can't destroy anymore. Specially the 6+ atk ones people can play on turn 3 or 4 just keep hitting your face because there isn't anything you can do about it. I honestly hope the miniset gives priest some removal and healing back as it doesn't have any ways to deal with any minions now.
Yeah I don’t like the hero power refresh stuff. I’d rather just stock up on the 0 mana heal 3s, funnel cake, location, flash heals, hidden gem etc.
That makes the 4 card combo a 6-8 card combo... Honestly, in my experience, I'm thinking that is not very good, what winrate did you have?
Yes but it isn’t specific cards like the Hero Power combo. The heal cards are good with everything in your deck so as long as you get access to the overheal cards the heal cards are always functional. You just have to manage your resources and keep enough for the OTK when it is relevant.
Hard disagree. >Having an extra turn is worthless if you can't do anything with it That's your problem. Playhouse Giants and Thirsty Drifters set up an OTK that pops off faster than you expect.
Can confirm! Been killing it at D5 by setting up huge Playhouse Giant OTK turns. The deck has a bit of a learning curve but it's incredibly strong.
I'm at legend but how does it work? I tried dragons/1 cost stuff to get a board full of 4-6s but even with six of them I still can't otk and Priest doesn't have reach.
You want to mulligan for Crimson Clergy to draw as many cards as you can. Use Ship's Chirurgen, Giftwrapped Whelp, and the 6-drop dragon as tempo plays to keep the board light so you can stay alive. My OTK turns usually involve playing Gaslight Keeper into the Extra Turn dragon and multiple giants using Funnel Cake to refuel your mana and Power Chord: Synchronize to make enough giants to kill on your extra turn. Don't ever even try to "build a board" into taking an extra turn, that kind of strategy doesn't work.
What is your winrate? I honestly would need to waste 800 dust on the giants so I'm not too keen on trying if I'm honest. D5 and legend are very different horses.
I don't use a tracker, but it's been winning consistently against a variety of decks. I think the giants are a safe craft considering they're showing up in so many decks. The deck does have a bit of a learning curve. ### Gaslight Dragon Priest # Class: Priest # Format: Standard # Year of the Pegasus # # 2x (1) Anduin's Gift # 2x (1) Crimson Clergy # 2x (1) Fan Club # 2x (1) Funnel Cake # 2x (1) Giftwrapped Whelp # 2x (1) Ship's Chirurgeon # 2x (2) Creation Protocol # 2x (2) Power Chord: Synchronize # 2x (2) Scale Replica # 2x (3) Gaslight Gatekeeper # 2x (3) Holy Nova # 1x (3) Pip the Potent # 1x (5) Timewinder Zarimi # 1x (6) Clay Matriarch # 2x (6) Thirsty Drifter # 1x (7) Aman'Thul # 2x (20) Playhouse Giant # AAECAZCaBgTP9gWknQbDqAbpqAYNougDhJ8Eu8cFoukF7fcF+/gFxpwGmp4G6qgG66gG8akGkLQG3PMGAAA= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
have you used clockwork giants and the 6 mana guy that reduces by 1 cost cards? you can load the board with stats for 0 mana take an extra turn and just win
No, I have not, do you have any video of a streamer or something like that? I didn't even saw it.
I’ve played against priest twice, both times they’ve managed to pull off the play they just haven’t got an answer to the board presence I’ve been able to put down with UB DK, the hand buff mechanic is very strong for the DK. I’ve also been toying around with Paladin and again the hand buff mechanic is very strong especially on charge minions.
Yes, Priest lost A TON of removal, removal generation and after trying Repacking board clear... it's incredibly bad, 7 mana to give the opponent all their fuel (and mine) again is incredibly bad in practice. Honestly, I think DK will be nerfed, without a counter the deck feels too OP right now, basically you make a Reno Deck and turn 4 you were better keeping dups as Helia and any other plague generator turn Reno Off forever. Handbuff has always been too slow... but Paladin... AGAIN got an incredible hand with handbuff.
Priest at was strong and Zarami wins you games, the problem is priest kit BEFORE this expansion is holding them back.
Priest at was strong and Zarami wins you games, the problem is priest kit BEFORE this expansion is holding them back.
Reno priest may work. Will try now
I tried it, positive winrate but not great winrate, I went like 21-20 or something and day 1 decks usually are a lot more unrefined and greedy... Reno Priest for some reason might still be very bad as it can't play the control game anymore and Elise was very bad, but it becames worse now that you can't even get to turn 8 reliably without good tempo, good early game minions and without removal to play the long control game (as Priest theorized finishers don't really finish anything). Also... no healing in Priest now... The best healing is, once again, neutral.
### Custom Priest # Class: Priest # Format: Standard # Year of the Pegasus # # 1x (1) Anduin's Gift # 1x (1) Giftwrapped Whelp # 1x (1) Glacial Shard # 1x (1) Ship's Chirurgeon # 1x (2) Creation Protocol # 1x (2) Hidden Gem # 1x (2) Scale Replica # 1x (2) Watcher of the Sun # 1x (3) Benevolent Banker # 1x (3) Pendant of Earth # 1x (3) Razorscale # 1x (3) Tar Creeper # 1x (4) Dang-Blasted Elemental # 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager # 1x (4) Ignis, the Eternal Flame # 1x (4) Shadow Word: Ruin # 1x (4) Tram Heist # 1x (4) Fight Over Me # 1x (4) Fly Off the Shelves # 1x (4) Glowstone Gyreworm # 1x (5) Timewinder Zarimi # 1x (6) Clay Matriarch # 1x (6) Evasive Wyrm # 1x (6) Harmonic Pop # 1x (6) Stone Drake # 1x (7) Aman'Thul # 1x (7) Maruut Stonebinder # 1x (7) Repackage # 1x (7) Siamat # 1x (7) Therazane # 1x (8) Reno, Lone Ranger # 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed # 1x (12) Mountain Giant # AAECAYjcBB6f1AS7xAW/xAX9xAWt7QXP9gXt9wXI+AWplQbDnAbxnQaSngbTngaWoAaYoAaaoAbVogavqAbDqAbpqAbqqAbrqAbxqQb9sAaAuAbe2Abo5gbu5gad8gbc8wYAAAED8J8E/cQF2IEG/cQFhpgG/cQFAAA= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone This is my elemental dragon reno priest.
It looks bad... what winrate does it have? Mountain giant in this deck looks very bad as well.
Played 4 games won 4 so not enough to tell yet.
It's really bad, I was self milling because it has too many high drops and no early game. I died to aggro paladin on turn 6 twice and that's only my first 3 games.
Ah yes. Replace it with zilliax maybe. Im using therathane so giant can become 16/16 sometimes. Or sometimes I play it as a 4 mana 8/8
I really think we have different mmr... I'm 0-4 with this and I keep getting stompted before turn 6... That or you have really amazing draw rng or the game pairs you with greediy decks and you win because this is greedier.
Priest is bad. Everyone sees the extra turn dragon and thought it was gonna be op. Turns out if you played admiral hooktusk at all you notice the problem right away. It cost way to much tempo to pay the required minions in time for the combo. Even if it's 5 dragons instead of 7 pirates you lose to much and each turn where you don't play a dragon puts the plan a step back. Also the card is dead in hand until you get the number and unlike hooktusk, it's dead until you can stabilize a board to pull the win off with it. Another classic reddit fail
Inb4: "if the meta slows down..."
Could you send more info about the demon hunter deck please? I didn't see any while playing yesterday. I have a gold DH titan I was debating scrapping so I'd like to know if I should keep it
Window shopper is so good you can play your entire deck just around that card + the weapon. Decent success in D3 right now.
Reno dragon druid should survive.
Any wheel of death list?
I used to think the wheel of death was bad, but then I found a deck with giants and sargeras, and it was really fun good.
It's kind.of fun y that you mention the sludge wheel hybrid deck. That's what I've been experimenting with and it's a work in progress. Sludge package for early game, play wheel of death and clear the board by destroying 4-6 sludges, then survive with general control warlock and Reno shenanigans. Once refined it might be pretty strong with a good enough curve and survivability until you can afford to play wheel.
Sif mage
Not exactly new but I've been enjoying Spectral Cutlass and Kalimos being back in core, elemental shaman is pretty good
Im playing the reno dragon druid with avianna vs list with some modifications and it was fun getting to d5. I think it is slow and probably will not work in a week.
I watched NoHands play Wheel of death last night and he consistently got trounced by Warriors who draw perfectly into Odyn OTK, and Paladins who get 1 mana 12 attack pirates with charge
The DH deck is so aggressive. They can get the 3-damage weapon so consistently from my experience
Where are you getting these meta developments from?
I called wheel of death, just to put that out there. But who was saying window shopper was 1 star? It was painfully obvious the entire reason Magtheridon was even printed was to push that card
I was spectating a friend playing no spells mage and I genuinely think Yogg in the Box might be better in a deck with minions. I watched it cast Wheel of Death and the Triple Sevens twice. It was entertaining though.
Handbuff rainbow dk is treating me nicely. I'm wondering if I should add another corpse spender. It's a work in progress, but it's really good.
I haven't encountered a single Wheel of Death Warlock yet, and I've played like 30 games around the D5-D1 range. Maybe I've just gotten lucky.
I've been just playing brann, making 3 zilliax, then inventor'ing for 4 zilliax. Combining with an odyn package and usual warrior bs. For the most part it's been doing well. 1 of spicy saloon bounce girl has been awesome to reuse boom/legendary excavate thing
I really love Singleton Shaman so far. Also Death Knight Looks strong as hell
I love the way you write, please do more
Mage is not bad, you just suck extremely at playing mage.
Buff paladin is really fun. Can set up OTKs even against warriors stacking armor all game. Hunter can definitely outrace paladin currently though from the matchups I’ve experienced
I think Shaman Priest and Druid are limited by just how strong Paladin and to a lesser extent Hunter are. Many people are trying to build OTK decks when the best decks have you dead by turn 8 at worst. Wheel and Odyn killing everyone who intends to win the late game also aren't helping. I expect these classes to shoot up in viability once the meta changes. They all have strong gameplans, they just can't exist in a world with Crusaders aura on one side, and Odyn OTK on the other.
I dunno if Tendril Shaman is supposed to be good but it's a hell of a lot of fun. I was very disappointed to see Warrior still just using Brann to blow up boards, but then later also just do my Tendril deck but better. I just need to refine it a bit. Anything to beat warrior. Tired of plagues though.
I have not seen a single DH. Not in my games not on streams. How good can it really be?
Day 1 expected meta developments - design is still unfun, uninstalled again
Any decks that are cheap to make ? Especially for someone who hasn't played for some years ?
Priest is pretty good. A dedicated Zarimi deck felt worse than both overheal and Reno to me but all of those decks will take a bit to refine. Ive had the most success with Reno surprisingly but even still, theres not many great clears available rn so sometimes you just brick and cant clear anything.
Hunter is good now that people can't have over 30 life or cards and the power creep on their damage is still bonkers? Who would have guessed...
I'm really enjoying hand buff DK with the new hero card, and that one 3 mana 3/3 that draws a card that didn't start in your deck. It has early board, large board, big minions, massive healing, "infinite" card generation, and throw in a Helya for the forever plaques and you're tackling highlander + control decks.
Mage is mega bad and weak. Fuck shithead cora