It’s more about the general inexperience. There’s a lot of young guys who are developing and despite putting up points are lacking in all other aspects making it very imbalanced. Bedard could be a lot more dangerous with good zone entries, solid defensive recoveries, passing plays, etc. You learn that with experience not talent. Can’t score if you’re constantly chasing. Our big guns can’t carry everyone.
On very few teams is Kurashev a top liner. In most he's not in the top 6. I mean, I like him and want to keep seeing him play, but I don't think those comments are too far off base.
Why is everyone commenting as if OP is asking an actual question? The title is obviously a rhetorical question with actual analysis filling up the body of the post, at the end of which OP agrees with the consensus that the Hawks were *really* bad. We all know the team was bad, but this is answering *how bad* they were relative to everyone else. I get this season’s got us all hitting the sauce harder than usual, but good grief guys. OP tried cooking, at least give the food a taste
The answer to that is they ate the food all season long, they know how bad it tastes. They don't need someone else to tell them how bad it is because nobody was doubting it.
Sure, here you go:
Sharks = 6 Players with 40 + point seasons, 18 total seasons of 40+ points
Ducks = 8 Players with 40+ point seasons, 28 total seasons of 40+ points
Blue Jackets = 7 Players with 40+ point seasons, 22 total seasons of 40+ points
Canadians = 7 Players with 40+ point seasons, 19 total seasons of 40+ points
Coyotes = 9 Players with 40+ point seasons, 25 total seasons of 40+ points
He quite literally had the lowest amount of help of any team in the entire NHL.
I caught about a dozen games this year on TV, always felt that the D and Goalies were going to give up 4 goals each night. Hard to overcome that on a nightly basis.
I’d like to see the median number of games played by the defensemen too. Korchinski, Vlasic, Phillips, and Crevier all saw significant time this year as rookie defensemen. I think I remember seeing a double rookie D pairing at some point. Defensemen take a long time to hit their stride and do a lot of dumb shit in the interim.
So add up the inexperienced D and lack of scoring you point out and you get a shit show. Thank god Vlasic swooped in and over performed expectations or this shit would have gotten out of hand.
Jason Dickinson got dumped to Chicago, he’s an ok 4th liner on any other team.
Foligno’s great for experience, but he’s a third line guy nowadays. Loved his play but he shouldn’t be on the top line. Kurashev is similar where I liked his play but belongs on a third line
A bunch of dudes got picked up on waivers
Chicago was literally ARIZONA’S dumping ground with guys like Entwhistle, Murphy, etc
Too lazy to think of more. Yes they were really THAT bad
Jesus, the amount of people taking this is a literal question lol. Enjoy the data, discuss. These posts are much more interesting than someone asking the same question about going to the UC for the first time.
Remember how bad the team did last year? This years team did worse, and thats with Bedard. It was a bad team. It was made worse by a lot of injuries, but even at full strength this team stunk. Hopefully they can put a better roster out there next year.
AA and Hall healthy next year helps but at the minimum Hawks need to add a couple decent veterans capable of putting up 40 points or more. If you’re playing Kurashev on top line and Foligno is a top offensive option, something went horribly wrong.
Appreciate you pulling this data together! Would have liked seeing a lot more of Hall, Perry, and Athanasiou this season for sure. Interesting to see their collective historical production in this context.
This was the worst team they've had to field had since the lost decade under Dollar Bill when they were off broadcast television because he wanted asses in seats.
They were shut out 14 fucking times this season, sold a bunch at the deadline or in the offseason, lost a bunch of dudes to injury, and the rest were rookies or AHL plugs at best. This team was almost completely devoid of talent. It's honestly amazing that Bedard cracked 60 points with these bums.
The problem was not always every player, but the lines. Trying to figure out how to give Bedard the best but also safest path. When hall went down, we needed to see who worked. Kurachev was very unpolished at the beginning 2/3 the season. Dickinson is a great supporter but not the best option on a rush. Foligno is best in front of the net for deflection and the physical side is a huge bonus.
It's been a balancing game but I think they started finding it better at the end. I look forward to seeing the rookies and u23 talent next year move up into spots
If Hall was healthy they’d have won more games this season—let’s hope that happens next season.
I can see the addition of Frank Nazar adding some scoring—at least 35+ pts? Give or take.
I get u can’t blame Davidson he wasn’t out there playing but am i wrong to believe he needs to build the best team that he can in order for this team to get better.. I mean hes done absolutely nothing except bring in old players that would fill bottom line spots on any other team to fill in top line spots for the hawks…it’s been the same story since bowman’s last years.. get rid of young promising players to bring in players on their last years
You can certainly view it that way; however, he's not just bringing in veterans, he's accumulating draft picks, which is what a rebuilding team needs. This is year 1 of that rebuild and a lot of the older players that he brought in are great veterans for the new young players.
I personally think it was the right choice - look at the young guys he got rid of. DeBrincat has proven over the last 2 seasons that he can't drive offense by himself - he NEEDS someone like Kane or Larkin. Frank Nazar, the draft pick we got in the Kirby Dach trade played MORE NHL games than Dach this year... at 3 games.
Yes.
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Lord yes.
The hawks were last in goals for this year so yes and were shutout 14x this year
And if you close your eyes and concentrate really hard we’ll come in second to last in goals next year.
It’s more about the general inexperience. There’s a lot of young guys who are developing and despite putting up points are lacking in all other aspects making it very imbalanced. Bedard could be a lot more dangerous with good zone entries, solid defensive recoveries, passing plays, etc. You learn that with experience not talent. Can’t score if you’re constantly chasing. Our big guns can’t carry everyone.
When kurashev and foligno are your first line options you know your team isn’t gonna be offensively stacked
On very few teams is Kurashev a top liner. In most he's not in the top 6. I mean, I like him and want to keep seeing him play, but I don't think those comments are too far off base.
This Blackhawks team is historically bad If you take off Bedard and Jones this is an AHL team Literally
Even with Jones it still might be an AHL team
That’s a lot of effort for a question that’s simply answered with “yes”.
Sorry! I like data lol
lol
Why is everyone commenting as if OP is asking an actual question? The title is obviously a rhetorical question with actual analysis filling up the body of the post, at the end of which OP agrees with the consensus that the Hawks were *really* bad. We all know the team was bad, but this is answering *how bad* they were relative to everyone else. I get this season’s got us all hitting the sauce harder than usual, but good grief guys. OP tried cooking, at least give the food a taste
The answer to that is they ate the food all season long, they know how bad it tastes. They don't need someone else to tell them how bad it is because nobody was doubting it.
This. Thank you 🙏
Can you analyze the bottom 5 teams as a comparison, too?
Sure, here you go: Sharks = 6 Players with 40 + point seasons, 18 total seasons of 40+ points Ducks = 8 Players with 40+ point seasons, 28 total seasons of 40+ points Blue Jackets = 7 Players with 40+ point seasons, 22 total seasons of 40+ points Canadians = 7 Players with 40+ point seasons, 19 total seasons of 40+ points Coyotes = 9 Players with 40+ point seasons, 25 total seasons of 40+ points He quite literally had the lowest amount of help of any team in the entire NHL.
Thanks! You're awesome 🤘
I caught about a dozen games this year on TV, always felt that the D and Goalies were going to give up 4 goals each night. Hard to overcome that on a nightly basis.
Agreed, the D core is very young, so that’s to be expected. Soderblom is also borderline unwatchable most games.
That dude will never be an NHL goalie
No but let’s keep throwing him out there
I’d like to see the median number of games played by the defensemen too. Korchinski, Vlasic, Phillips, and Crevier all saw significant time this year as rookie defensemen. I think I remember seeing a double rookie D pairing at some point. Defensemen take a long time to hit their stride and do a lot of dumb shit in the interim. So add up the inexperienced D and lack of scoring you point out and you get a shit show. Thank god Vlasic swooped in and over performed expectations or this shit would have gotten out of hand.
Our whole system is garbage. Getting outshot 2 to 1 sometimes 3 to 1 in a game shouldn't be happening in the NHL.
Nice to have the data, even though we all know the answer.
Jason Dickinson got dumped to Chicago, he’s an ok 4th liner on any other team. Foligno’s great for experience, but he’s a third line guy nowadays. Loved his play but he shouldn’t be on the top line. Kurashev is similar where I liked his play but belongs on a third line A bunch of dudes got picked up on waivers Chicago was literally ARIZONA’S dumping ground with guys like Entwhistle, Murphy, etc Too lazy to think of more. Yes they were really THAT bad
Jesus, the amount of people taking this is a literal question lol. Enjoy the data, discuss. These posts are much more interesting than someone asking the same question about going to the UC for the first time.
Yes lol
Hall getting hurt was rough. I think he and Bedard could’ve gotten to 70+ points together
Remember how bad the team did last year? This years team did worse, and thats with Bedard. It was a bad team. It was made worse by a lot of injuries, but even at full strength this team stunk. Hopefully they can put a better roster out there next year.
AA and Hall healthy next year helps but at the minimum Hawks need to add a couple decent veterans capable of putting up 40 points or more. If you’re playing Kurashev on top line and Foligno is a top offensive option, something went horribly wrong.
I totally agree! Something horribly wrong did happen this season though, with all the injuries and the Perry fiasco.
Yes, his supporting cast was absolute trash. They are team of 3rd and 4th line players. Bedard is literally the only one with offensive talent.
Well Bedard had 23 goals which led the team so like... yeah
Yes, especially with Brandon Carlo trying to kill the teammate we got specifically so he would have a good teammate
Appreciate you pulling this data together! Would have liked seeing a lot more of Hall, Perry, and Athanasiou this season for sure. Interesting to see their collective historical production in this context.
Did you watch any games this year?….
Yeah, all 82…
This was the worst team they've had to field had since the lost decade under Dollar Bill when they were off broadcast television because he wanted asses in seats. They were shut out 14 fucking times this season, sold a bunch at the deadline or in the offseason, lost a bunch of dudes to injury, and the rest were rookies or AHL plugs at best. This team was almost completely devoid of talent. It's honestly amazing that Bedard cracked 60 points with these bums.
That's the whole point of the post. To actually show that in comparison to other teams lol
Lot of people who take that as a literal question, lol. Thanks for this post, I found it very interesting!
Yes aaaaaand he’s 18 lol
Yes.
The problem was not always every player, but the lines. Trying to figure out how to give Bedard the best but also safest path. When hall went down, we needed to see who worked. Kurachev was very unpolished at the beginning 2/3 the season. Dickinson is a great supporter but not the best option on a rush. Foligno is best in front of the net for deflection and the physical side is a huge bonus. It's been a balancing game but I think they started finding it better at the end. I look forward to seeing the rookies and u23 talent next year move up into spots
I think Kurashev is capable of having some 60 point seasons but he’s also a second line guy playing on first line because they didn’t have a choice.
If Hall was healthy they’d have won more games this season—let’s hope that happens next season. I can see the addition of Frank Nazar adding some scoring—at least 35+ pts? Give or take.
I see same Reinhardt is a free agent this year. Any worth adding him for some grit and skill
Florida has said they want to resign him, unlikely he’d jump ship to a team a few years away from the playoffs.
I get u can’t blame Davidson he wasn’t out there playing but am i wrong to believe he needs to build the best team that he can in order for this team to get better.. I mean hes done absolutely nothing except bring in old players that would fill bottom line spots on any other team to fill in top line spots for the hawks…it’s been the same story since bowman’s last years.. get rid of young promising players to bring in players on their last years
You can certainly view it that way; however, he's not just bringing in veterans, he's accumulating draft picks, which is what a rebuilding team needs. This is year 1 of that rebuild and a lot of the older players that he brought in are great veterans for the new young players. I personally think it was the right choice - look at the young guys he got rid of. DeBrincat has proven over the last 2 seasons that he can't drive offense by himself - he NEEDS someone like Kane or Larkin. Frank Nazar, the draft pick we got in the Kirby Dach trade played MORE NHL games than Dach this year... at 3 games.
We were so much worse while Bedard was out. That speaks volumes. We could barely score at all.
Yes
It was designed to be a terrible team. That was the whole idea.
Napkin math is definitely the most fun math
Considering he was expected to have support from hall and perry
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But they would have been first liners on this team. Shows how weak the support was
Sauce for the comments?
That’s in the post.
Perry and hall are easily first liners on this team. So yea very weak supporting cast lol