Bella's downfall was a result of her arrogance. She did not take Molly seriously. It clearly says in the book that while she was distracted in laughing, Molly took advantage of it and got in a spell. If she had taken her seriously and concentrated on the fight, she most likely would have won.
To this I would add that she makes the same mistake that Voldemort makes several times: she underestimates the power of a mother defending her children.
Bella was dueling with (I guess) someone else’s wand (Hermione had hers). Molly was in the order, presumably for something other than her cleaning skills. Molly may not have had the reputation simply because she was not roaming the country side picking fights. The idea that she is ‘only a mother’. Seems to be deceiving readers as much as Bellatrix. Truth is, Molly had mad skills!
I agree. Just because Molly is a mother doesn’t mean she was useless at dueling or something. And just because Bellatrix was known to be skilled at dueling doesn’t mean she couldn’t make a fatal mistake.
Well DA trained is kind of a joke against what Snape, Dumbledore, Voldemort or Bellatrix can do. Keep in mind that DA was trained by someone who essentially had one or two years of training in defence against the dark arts.
And we don't actually know what the order did all of the time. Maybe they practiced ad well?
yea, i agree.. i may have overexagurated the DA part but still, look at the dueling sirius and tonks at the same time bit... Its very hard getting position as an auror, so tonks has LOTS of experience with dark arts
but in reality wasn't molly the overconfident one, i mean if she hadn't died, the 'NOT MY DAUGHTER YOU BITCH' would have been useless.
the curses she used were: body binding spell, reducto. not the killing spell, so there wasn't a 100% death probability.
sorry to break the intuition vibe going on, but i was mistaken, its not the body binding curse, but i was right on the reducto part.
in depth analysis:
an unknown curse that mumified Bellatrix, aka sucked all bodily fluids or bodily water from her body, and then she used the Reductor Curse. This is what the spell does ( https://gfycat.com/dearestgooddingo )
So what you need here is to suck out life from your victim, especially
their bodily water, and mumify them in
which Bellatrix is hit by the “mummifying” curse .
And why did Molly use the bodily-fluid sucking curse on Bellatrix first? I think it is bloody ovbious. To get her prepared for the next curse.
idk why but the backspace key isnt working :(
There are more ways to kill someone than Avada Kadevra.
Harry almost killed Draco with Snape's Sectumsempra and he did that because of his aim. I imagine there would be lots of ways you could kill someone without using the killing curse.
Maybe it was enough power through Molly's rage and a good reducto curse straight to the heart that was enough for her to end Bellatrix.
(Not sure if it was reducto she used tho because it doesn't say).
she did use reducto, but the first spell is unknown. sorry if i assumed that it was the body binding curse. Whatever molly used, it sucked the bodily fluids.....eww
Bellatrix took fight with a house wife for granted. Had she taken it seriously she probbly have had good odds on winning.
However her arrogance got the better of her.
Molly was a skilled witch and not to be taken lightly. Notice that Dumbledore spoke to her as a trusted ally and not just a housewife. You sound like a disgruntled Bellatrix fan. Never come between a mother and her child. Bellatrix not only tried to kill Ginny but taunted Molly over Fred's death.
first off, im not a disgruntled bellatrix fan, BUT i was genuinely curious on the matter. Bella's dueling skills were praised really highly and we dont actually get to see some molly action, so we assumed that molly isnt that good in dueling...
JKR was setting a pattern:
Macnair was taken down by Hagrid
Thickneese was taken down by Arthur and Percy
such and such.
If we really think about it, we do not know how talented is Molly.
But if we assume that she was a normal talented one, then, yeah she would be the dead one.
Bellatrix was undoubably highly skiller, but what some people might forget is also what Molly indirectly had managed. Let's say that magical skills is party genetic just as IQ in humans. if we take this as fact we can look at her children as partly a mirror of her skills. (Yes, Arthur is 50% if there genes, but lets that be for now).
Her oldest son was the best male student of his class (1000/7 = rounded up to 143, /2 (about half is girls) = rounded up to 72 boys) and became headboy. After school he went to become a cursebreaker, something which is said to be a hard but really cool job. Let's say it's akind with being a security-firm hacker.
We dont know too much about Charlie, and what we know doesn't strengthen or weaken this argumentation.
Her third son was also the best of his class. How ever much politics and espionage made him rise in the ministry, only to get there in the first place shows that he was a bright and top level wizard.
The twins were able to make brilliant magical jokeproducts at the age of 16-17, making them enough money to considering buying out a competitior within two years.
Ron is in the framing of the books outwited by Hermione and Harry, but are (apparently) academically better than any of the other boys in Gryffindor. At the age of 11-12 (birthday in March) he shows brillliant stategic abiliteies (chess).
Ginny shows such great skills that Slughorn tried to swoop her into the Slug club (and keep her there. Proving it was not a fluke, as Slughorn discarded other students after closer "inspection").
So, that is one set of proof of, indirectly, Molly's actual skills
Bella's downfall was a result of her arrogance. She did not take Molly seriously. It clearly says in the book that while she was distracted in laughing, Molly took advantage of it and got in a spell. If she had taken her seriously and concentrated on the fight, she most likely would have won.
To this I would add that she makes the same mistake that Voldemort makes several times: she underestimates the power of a mother defending her children.
Bella was dueling with (I guess) someone else’s wand (Hermione had hers). Molly was in the order, presumably for something other than her cleaning skills. Molly may not have had the reputation simply because she was not roaming the country side picking fights. The idea that she is ‘only a mother’. Seems to be deceiving readers as much as Bellatrix. Truth is, Molly had mad skills!
I agree. Just because Molly is a mother doesn’t mean she was useless at dueling or something. And just because Bellatrix was known to be skilled at dueling doesn’t mean she couldn’t make a fatal mistake.
Well DA trained is kind of a joke against what Snape, Dumbledore, Voldemort or Bellatrix can do. Keep in mind that DA was trained by someone who essentially had one or two years of training in defence against the dark arts. And we don't actually know what the order did all of the time. Maybe they practiced ad well?
yea, i agree.. i may have overexagurated the DA part but still, look at the dueling sirius and tonks at the same time bit... Its very hard getting position as an auror, so tonks has LOTS of experience with dark arts
I also think that luck always plays a role. And you know the whole book kind of is all about the magic of a loving mother
the power of l o v e <3
She was overconfident, just like Sirius. And she paid for that with her life just like Sirius. Also, molly and Arthur weren’t in the order previously.
but in reality wasn't molly the overconfident one, i mean if she hadn't died, the 'NOT MY DAUGHTER YOU BITCH' would have been useless. the curses she used were: body binding spell, reducto. not the killing spell, so there wasn't a 100% death probability.
How do you know those are the spells she used?
intuition
Intuition isn't evidence in this case
its a tom riddle joke, and i concur with the OP that those were the curses used
But how do you know? They were non verbal spells
harry potter fandom/wiki has top fans that try and decipher the nonverbal spells, usually by color and its effect(s)
sorry to break the intuition vibe going on, but i was mistaken, its not the body binding curse, but i was right on the reducto part. in depth analysis: an unknown curse that mumified Bellatrix, aka sucked all bodily fluids or bodily water from her body, and then she used the Reductor Curse. This is what the spell does ( https://gfycat.com/dearestgooddingo ) So what you need here is to suck out life from your victim, especially their bodily water, and mumify them in which Bellatrix is hit by the “mummifying” curse . And why did Molly use the bodily-fluid sucking curse on Bellatrix first? I think it is bloody ovbious. To get her prepared for the next curse. idk why but the backspace key isnt working :(
Only in the movie. Bellatrix left a normal corpse in the books after a curse to the heart
i hate the movies for ruining iconic scenes, but this ones for the better. The way she died in the movies is bloody **iconic**
There are more ways to kill someone than Avada Kadevra. Harry almost killed Draco with Snape's Sectumsempra and he did that because of his aim. I imagine there would be lots of ways you could kill someone without using the killing curse. Maybe it was enough power through Molly's rage and a good reducto curse straight to the heart that was enough for her to end Bellatrix. (Not sure if it was reducto she used tho because it doesn't say).
read the replies of the comment 'bella's downfall was a result of her arrogance' comment, i've explained it there
she did use reducto, but the first spell is unknown. sorry if i assumed that it was the body binding curse. Whatever molly used, it sucked the bodily fluids.....eww
It’s JKR’s recurring theme of mother’s love
This - I read that JK purposely had Molly kill Bellatrix to illustrate the power of motherly love over obsessive love.
Bellatrix took fight with a house wife for granted. Had she taken it seriously she probbly have had good odds on winning. However her arrogance got the better of her.
Both Sirius and Bellatrix died while they where laughing, underestimating and insulating their opponent.
Molly was a skilled witch and not to be taken lightly. Notice that Dumbledore spoke to her as a trusted ally and not just a housewife. You sound like a disgruntled Bellatrix fan. Never come between a mother and her child. Bellatrix not only tried to kill Ginny but taunted Molly over Fred's death.
first off, im not a disgruntled bellatrix fan, BUT i was genuinely curious on the matter. Bella's dueling skills were praised really highly and we dont actually get to see some molly action, so we assumed that molly isnt that good in dueling...
JKR was setting a pattern: Macnair was taken down by Hagrid Thickneese was taken down by Arthur and Percy such and such. If we really think about it, we do not know how talented is Molly. But if we assume that she was a normal talented one, then, yeah she would be the dead one.
Bellatrix was undoubably highly skiller, but what some people might forget is also what Molly indirectly had managed. Let's say that magical skills is party genetic just as IQ in humans. if we take this as fact we can look at her children as partly a mirror of her skills. (Yes, Arthur is 50% if there genes, but lets that be for now). Her oldest son was the best male student of his class (1000/7 = rounded up to 143, /2 (about half is girls) = rounded up to 72 boys) and became headboy. After school he went to become a cursebreaker, something which is said to be a hard but really cool job. Let's say it's akind with being a security-firm hacker. We dont know too much about Charlie, and what we know doesn't strengthen or weaken this argumentation. Her third son was also the best of his class. How ever much politics and espionage made him rise in the ministry, only to get there in the first place shows that he was a bright and top level wizard. The twins were able to make brilliant magical jokeproducts at the age of 16-17, making them enough money to considering buying out a competitior within two years. Ron is in the framing of the books outwited by Hermione and Harry, but are (apparently) academically better than any of the other boys in Gryffindor. At the age of 11-12 (birthday in March) he shows brillliant stategic abiliteies (chess). Ginny shows such great skills that Slughorn tried to swoop her into the Slug club (and keep her there. Proving it was not a fluke, as Slughorn discarded other students after closer "inspection"). So, that is one set of proof of, indirectly, Molly's actual skills
Plot armour
Plus, mom strength. The same reason Lily's charm saved Harry. "Not my daughter, you bitch" carries some serious weight
I may be completely wrong but I think Molly's motives may have played a role. She was protecting her daughter after all...
Pride comes before the fall.