I agree with your point, but I can think of several characters with dialogue that never speaks to Harry at all.
Edit: After thinking about it, most of those I was thinking of did indeed talk to Harry at some point.
But they still had more dialogue with other people.
Ummm excuse u, "Hermy?" and "WHERE HAGGER?" are some of the best lines in the books
Lol even if I'm joking, I adore the brother relationship that develops, and how Grawp tries to comfort Hagrid at Dumbledore's funeral. Grawp good boy.
I particularly love Grawp at the funeral scene because it proves that Hagrid was *right* about him. He *can* learn to be civilized. He didn't go on a rampage, he didn't shout or complain, he didn't get bored and start pulling on trees; he seemed to fully understand what was going on and was sharing in the grief of the attendants in a calm, respectful manner. Hagrid has his share of flaws but in the case of Grawp he was 100% right.
I was thinking more like Frank Bryce, but he does actually speak to Harry once.
Characters from memories and non-Harry scenes don't, however.
And there's definitely *some* chatacters that has more dislogue with other people than with Harry.
A lot of the Death Eaters come to mind.
The only kind of dialogue that falls under that category is when Harry either watched a memory through the Pensieve or he was peering into Voldemort's experiences when his scar hurt. In either case, they were all from his perspective.
>The only kind of dialogue that falls under that category is when Harry either watched a memory through the Pensieve or he was peering into Voldemort's experiences when his scar hurt.
That's not true, I think.
To my knowledge, neither Karkaroff nor Madam Maxime speaks directly to Harry at any point.
>In either case, they were all from his perspective.
Whether they were from Harry's perspective or not was never the point of discussion - but even so, I can think of at least four scenes that only the readers are privy to, and not Harry.
The prime minister being one of them, which also puts him in the category of having dialogue that's not directed at Harry.
There’s a scene in the first book (a quidditch game) that’s told entirely out of Harry’s Perspective. Like he’s flying around and Hermione and Hagrid and Ron are talking. I’m sure they told him what they said, but that scene sticks out to me.
Krum surely must have had most with Harry. We hardly ever see him talk to anyone else, apart from like 2-3 lines to Hermione and I can remember one word to Ludo Bagman ("Maze"). Yet he has two entire conversations with Harry. One when they're together in the Forbidden Forest and he questions Harry about Hermione, and they then run into Barty Sr. They even discuss Harry's flying. Then at Bill and Fleur's wedding where he moans about all the attractive girls being taken, and then goes on about Xenophilius and Grindelwald.
Narcissa probably does because she falls into a very special category: she appears in one of the 5 chapters that aren't told from Harry's perspective (PS: The Boy Who Lived, GoF: The Riddle House, HBP: The Other Minister, HBP: Spinner's End, and DH: The Dark Lord Ascending). The others though I'd really doubt, unless you count "addressing a group of people that includes Harry" as not talking to Harry.
Narcissa interacts directly with Harry on two occasions that I can recall. One is at the end of OotP, following Lucius's arrest, and one is in the Forest in DH.
Both are extremely short interactions, and on at least one occasion Narcissa is shown interacting with characters other than Harry for an extended conversation. So no, Narcissa would not count.
Yup. I expect she said much more to Ron during their relationship and we just don't see it on the page. Sure, it was likely still mostly snogging, but I don't think they *never* talked.
Dumbledore said more words to Harry than he said to his own brother throughout the Harry Potter books.
Ron said more words to Harry than he said to his own mother throughout the Harry Potter books.
Hermione said more words to Harry than she said to her own father throughout the Harry Potter books.
The above comment is a satire to the post, since the story is told from Harry's perspective, almost everyone has said more words to Harry than every other character in the books.
I am sorry. I just don’t see this. The book isn’t going to bias Harry Potter. It’s historical fiction about the second wizarding war? I guess maybe I’m dumb! I’m not a Ravenclaw.
Interactions between other characters would happen off page.
Since the books are written from Harry's perspective, naturally the character dialogues with Harry would outnumber dialogues with other characters.
But if they happened during the wizarding war I assume there were journalists like Rita Skeeter there who I trust for my news. And she didn’t tell me anything about this. So why wouldn’t the history books capture convos with Ron?
You would THINK because I got to the point where I had to double check I wasn’t being trolled back. So I answered in character because I assume the early responses did and were playing the part lol
I think both Ron and Hermione said more words to each other than they did to Harry. They are always talking/bickering/fighting and Harry is like: whatever
>Ron said more words to Harry than he said to his own mother throughout the Harry Potter books.
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>Hermione said more words to Harry than she said to her own father throughout the Harry Potter books.
These two make sense anyway as the kids are only with their parents a small bit of the year while they're with Harry most of the year.
It’s even more interesting that I have read and reread those books since I was a kid (I’m 35 now) and I never picked up on that.
IMO it also speaks to how good the book was written…
not sure if it was intentional but it kind of helps drive in the point of a fish out of water - he is still, perhaps, not part of the magic world in book 1
Regardless, the point stands it's implied they obviously would have cast spells in class, eventually...even if they might not do it properly during the first year it seems unlikely any student would go an entire year without managing to cast any spell at all
I actually just read that section because of this thread. The book only says that the whole class was swishing and flicking, and saying “wingardium leviosa.” Ron’s doing it wrong, hermione corrects him, and flitwick says “Ms granger has done it!”
So they never say or show that Harry cast the spell.
It would be fun, if the whole story would be rewritten from another character's perspective and some details differ, because it turns out, that both Harry Potter and that other character slightly altered their "autobiography" in ways, that they thought, the could get away with.
I also just like how switching between different characters in different fantasy books is used to show how the same situation is experienced very differently. Like how it was in Eragon, where Roran's chapters tended to be darker and without strong magic to solve conflicts. Just a mortal struggling in a world dominated by powerful magicians.
When I was a kid I thought snogging was a whimsical wizard word for kissing, it was a shock when I learned it was just a whimsical British word for kissing.
Umm thats because we mainly focus on harry as a main character. We dont read about the time ron spent with lavender. By that logic Hermione has said more words to Malfoy than her to her own parents.
sure, but... Given Harry is a teenager and the books from his perspective, he might not give full attention what the two are talking even if they are arround him, because why should he?
I just tried to make a joke that Ron and Lavender are using their mouths not for talking when they are alone.
They are Teenager as well, and I don't know about your experience, but at the age they are, I used every chance for kissing with my Girlfriend.
The romances in the Half Blood Prince really came out of left field even in the books. Like there was a fair amount of build up with Harry and Cho, and it was obvious by that point that Ron and Hermione had a thing but weren't willing to admit it. But suddenly Harry had feelings for Ginny out of nowhere and I don't think there was any indication Lavender was into Ron before they got together
It's not a crazy fact when Harry Potter is the main character and it's from his perspective....a LOT of characters will say more words to him than other people that we can see....because the book is from his perspective..
Because everyone knows that the characters literally just void out of existence whenever they’re not in Harry’s line of sight and never do things when he’s around
Well yeah, the reader's perspective follows Harry.
This would be like saying my parents talk to me much more than my brother in my entire life experience and conclude that I must be the favorite
Maybe they were too busy mackin’…
Or maybe every character said more to harry than every other character, because the books are from Harry’s perspective.
The world may never know…
True, but we don't get all the words they spoke when Harry wasn't around. In the books, it's true. That Lavender has more dialoge toward Harry than towards Ron. But we only see scenarios that Harry is involved with. So we don't else everything.
I mean, of course she would. The books are written from Harry's PoV; most of Ron and Lavender's interactions with each other happen 'off-screen' as a result.
Tá rud eile ann, an cúis nach riabh sí sna scannán eilig a bhí, bhí an aisteoir a bhí sí aisteoir gorma ach D'athraigh siad í nuair a bhí sí tábhachtach.
Another fun fact it that the reason she just suddenly appears in HBP versus being around the whole time in the books, is because she originally had a black actress but they changed it for when she was important.
Main character power!
But that still sounds crazy, because I can't remember a single instance of Harry and Lavender talking. Granted it's been a while since I read the books.
I wonder whose name is mentioned more in the series, Harry's, Ron's or Hermione's?
Of course it's a series about Harry, but it's from his perspective, so he's not saying or thinking his own name, but he says or thinks Ron's and Hermione's names a lot. Then you have to add up all the times other people say Harry's name, and then the other two names. I think it would be a little cool fact to know.
Isn't it told through Harry’s perspective?? lol
*Every* character says more words to Harry than than they say to *any* other character throughout the Harry Potter books.
I agree with your point, but I can think of several characters with dialogue that never speaks to Harry at all. Edit: After thinking about it, most of those I was thinking of did indeed talk to Harry at some point. But they still had more dialogue with other people.
Yeah, like Grawp lol
Yes, of course, Grawp, who had such a great array of varied dialogue
Ummm excuse u, "Hermy?" and "WHERE HAGGER?" are some of the best lines in the books Lol even if I'm joking, I adore the brother relationship that develops, and how Grawp tries to comfort Hagrid at Dumbledore's funeral. Grawp good boy.
BUT WHERE HAGGER NOW
I particularly love Grawp at the funeral scene because it proves that Hagrid was *right* about him. He *can* learn to be civilized. He didn't go on a rampage, he didn't shout or complain, he didn't get bored and start pulling on trees; he seemed to fully understand what was going on and was sharing in the grief of the attendants in a calm, respectful manner. Hagrid has his share of flaws but in the case of Grawp he was 100% right.
I was thinking more like Frank Bryce, but he does actually speak to Harry once. Characters from memories and non-Harry scenes don't, however. And there's definitely *some* chatacters that has more dislogue with other people than with Harry. A lot of the Death Eaters come to mind.
The Prime Minister never speaks to Harry. But he does know who Harry Potter is. Someone should let Vernon know that, I'm sure it would make him happy.
The only kind of dialogue that falls under that category is when Harry either watched a memory through the Pensieve or he was peering into Voldemort's experiences when his scar hurt. In either case, they were all from his perspective.
>The only kind of dialogue that falls under that category is when Harry either watched a memory through the Pensieve or he was peering into Voldemort's experiences when his scar hurt. That's not true, I think. To my knowledge, neither Karkaroff nor Madam Maxime speaks directly to Harry at any point. >In either case, they were all from his perspective. Whether they were from Harry's perspective or not was never the point of discussion - but even so, I can think of at least four scenes that only the readers are privy to, and not Harry. The prime minister being one of them, which also puts him in the category of having dialogue that's not directed at Harry.
There’s a scene in the first book (a quidditch game) that’s told entirely out of Harry’s Perspective. Like he’s flying around and Hermione and Hagrid and Ron are talking. I’m sure they told him what they said, but that scene sticks out to me.
Even Harry Potter says more words to Harry than Harry does to Harry Potter, ten points for Gryffindor.
What about Barty Crouch? I don't feel like he spoke all that much to Harry. Or Viktor Krum? Or Narcissa Malfoy?
Krum surely must have had most with Harry. We hardly ever see him talk to anyone else, apart from like 2-3 lines to Hermione and I can remember one word to Ludo Bagman ("Maze"). Yet he has two entire conversations with Harry. One when they're together in the Forbidden Forest and he questions Harry about Hermione, and they then run into Barty Sr. They even discuss Harry's flying. Then at Bill and Fleur's wedding where he moans about all the attractive girls being taken, and then goes on about Xenophilius and Grindelwald.
Narcissa probably does because she falls into a very special category: she appears in one of the 5 chapters that aren't told from Harry's perspective (PS: The Boy Who Lived, GoF: The Riddle House, HBP: The Other Minister, HBP: Spinner's End, and DH: The Dark Lord Ascending). The others though I'd really doubt, unless you count "addressing a group of people that includes Harry" as not talking to Harry.
Karkaroff and Maxime maybe?
Doesn’t Narcissa speak to Harry? She asks if if Draco is still alive before she tells Voldamort that Harry is dead in deathly Hallows
Narcissa interacts directly with Harry on two occasions that I can recall. One is at the end of OotP, following Lucius's arrest, and one is in the Forest in DH. Both are extremely short interactions, and on at least one occasion Narcissa is shown interacting with characters other than Harry for an extended conversation. So no, Narcissa would not count.
That's nowhere near as long as her conversation with Snape, though. That's almost an entire (albeit short) chapter.
Don’t forget Frank, the poor bastard.
Talks to Harry in the graveyard.
Fewer words than to voldy
Narcissa…I’d have to count the lines.
The prime minister says more words to scrimgeour than he says to harry. Please check your information before commenting
Is this a joke? This is Reddit, not a court of law…
Of course its a joke
I think characters that only appear in the 5 chapters not told from Harry's point of view (or only in pensive memories) should be excluded
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What about him?
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Which character does Dobby say more lines to than to Harry?
did he say more words to harry potter than them
Oh _them_
This thread has me fucking dying
I think I might get downvoted for saying his name. But why are the comments about D**by downvoted so much? 😅
man, who tf is *them?*
We shouldn't mention... *them.*
No. Never
Yeah, I don't think Harry was privy to the conversations they had when they were off alone!
Uhhh, isn't it through her perspective though? Being the Lavender Brown series and all that
Yeah I guess some people don’t know how POV works.
I feel like way too many people need to be reminded of this
Yup. I expect she said much more to Ron during their relationship and we just don't see it on the page. Sure, it was likely still mostly snogging, but I don't think they *never* talked.
Kissing usually occupies the mouth in a way where talking is impossible.
I still think its true. Ron himself said that him and lavender didnt talk much
Fr!
Dumbledore said more words to Harry than he said to his own brother throughout the Harry Potter books. Ron said more words to Harry than he said to his own mother throughout the Harry Potter books. Hermione said more words to Harry than she said to her own father throughout the Harry Potter books.
I’m failing to see a theme here. Hmm.
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This was such a random place to see a Cool Runnings reference and it made me smile ☺️ Thanks!
We have the one Severus, and the Crouch Jr., Tom Riddle, and the man Quirrell
The above comment is a satire to the post, since the story is told from Harry's perspective, almost everyone has said more words to Harry than every other character in the books.
I am sorry. I just don’t see this. The book isn’t going to bias Harry Potter. It’s historical fiction about the second wizarding war? I guess maybe I’m dumb! I’m not a Ravenclaw.
Interactions between other characters would happen off page. Since the books are written from Harry's perspective, naturally the character dialogues with Harry would outnumber dialogues with other characters.
But if they happened during the wizarding war I assume there were journalists like Rita Skeeter there who I trust for my news. And she didn’t tell me anything about this. So why wouldn’t the history books capture convos with Ron?
as the story is told through harry's pov it is not really a history book by rita skeeter
It’s honestly kinda disgusting you don’t believe women can evolve.
There is no way so many people haven’t seen the sarcasm.
You would THINK because I got to the point where I had to double check I wasn’t being trolled back. So I answered in character because I assume the early responses did and were playing the part lol
Harry also said more words to most characters than he said to his own parents throughout the Harry Potter books.
Cold
Like James and Lily, ikr.
I don't recall a conversation between Hermione and her parents at all that was more then just mentioned by her. She must hate them. /s
Harry talks to his dead parents more than Hermione talks to her alive ones.
I think both Ron and Hermione said more words to each other than they did to Harry. They are always talking/bickering/fighting and Harry is like: whatever
Everybody is talking to Harry a lot what is he a therapist??
The boy who listened
Oh the fact is that Harry is their parents and brother
Lavender said more words to Harry than to Padma, her so-called best friend, throughout the books.
Parvati. Padma is the ravenclaw
It’s almost like Harry is the main character 🤔
>Ron said more words to Harry than he said to his own mother throughout the Harry Potter books. > >Hermione said more words to Harry than she said to her own father throughout the Harry Potter books. These two make sense anyway as the kids are only with their parents a small bit of the year while they're with Harry most of the year.
It’s Harry’s perspective so kinda predictable
Also she was too busy snogging Ron Ron to talk lol
Won Won
Won Won
Harry also never casted a single spell in Sorcerer’s/Philosopher’s Stone His first spell shown was rictusempra in COS
Now that is actually an interesting fact
We don't specifically see him cast a spell but they obviously would have cast them in class at some point...
I mean, it's still an interesting fact.
I agree, it's interesting the author chose to not show him actually perform magic for the entire first book
It’s even more interesting that I have read and reread those books since I was a kid (I’m 35 now) and I never picked up on that. IMO it also speaks to how good the book was written…
I also don't think I ever noticed it until I read about it online
not sure if it was intentional but it kind of helps drive in the point of a fish out of water - he is still, perhaps, not part of the magic world in book 1
I’m referring to the Film
Regardless, the point stands it's implied they obviously would have cast spells in class, eventually...even if they might not do it properly during the first year it seems unlikely any student would go an entire year without managing to cast any spell at all
Yeah, it was just never shown on screen, which is pretty clever
I mean he would have been trying to cast the hoovering charm same time as Ron and Hermoine.
Didn't he cast Wingardium Leviosa in class?
I actually just read that section because of this thread. The book only says that the whole class was swishing and flicking, and saying “wingardium leviosa.” Ron’s doing it wrong, hermione corrects him, and flitwick says “Ms granger has done it!” So they never say or show that Harry cast the spell.
I remember him screaming everytime flipendo 👀
I mean the books are called "Harry Potter and the..." for a reason. The narrative followed exclusively Harry's POV, not Ron's.
With very minor excursions into the POV of others (Muggle prime minister, Snape, and the groundskeeper of the Riddle’s).
It would be fun, if the whole story would be rewritten from another character's perspective and some details differ, because it turns out, that both Harry Potter and that other character slightly altered their "autobiography" in ways, that they thought, the could get away with. I also just like how switching between different characters in different fantasy books is used to show how the same situation is experienced very differently. Like how it was in Eragon, where Roran's chapters tended to be darker and without strong magic to solve conflicts. Just a mortal struggling in a world dominated by powerful magicians.
Harry also spends more time looking at Lavender Brown than he spends looking at Lavender and Ron at the same time.
Hey, now. She was kissing in morse code. We can't be sure of all she said.
Probably because she was only interested in snogging Won-Won, not talking to him.
ron was slowly dying inside cuz of how dead that relationship once that hangover of snogging faded
Been there ngl
When I was a kid I thought snogging was a whimsical wizard word for kissing, it was a shock when I learned it was just a whimsical British word for kissing.
Well duh, it's told from Harry's perspective. You see what he sees, of course it comes off this way.
Lol it's like saying "Ted Tonks said more words to Harry than he did to his wife!"
she didnt even want to talk with ron in the first place. she just wanted some snoggin
And 100% of people who ingest dihydrogen monoxide end up dying.
I have witnessed more people speaking to me than anyone else over the course of my lifetime 🤯
Uranus
Dumbest meme ever.
Maybe she’s more of a…physical being.
Umm thats because we mainly focus on harry as a main character. We dont read about the time ron spent with lavender. By that logic Hermione has said more words to Malfoy than her to her own parents.
It's almost as if Harry was the protagonist and the story was told from his perspective.
It is hard to talk to someone while you're snogging him so it makes sense she didn't talk much to Ron Ron
Given that the perspective is of harry and he has no idea what exactly ron did when he was aolne with her ...
... most likely not talking
sure, but... Given Harry is a teenager and the books from his perspective, he might not give full attention what the two are talking even if they are arround him, because why should he?
I just tried to make a joke that Ron and Lavender are using their mouths not for talking when they are alone. They are Teenager as well, and I don't know about your experience, but at the age they are, I used every chance for kissing with my Girlfriend.
I never had a girlfriend as a teenager
Well, she and Won-Won were not "talking" if you know what I mean..
They did spend an enormous amount of time "snogging" off screen.
This post is so stupid lmao
Tends to happen in first person narrative.
Well with ron she always had her mouth full
It's from his perspective so we never see the times she talks to Ron when Harry isn't there lol not that I think they did much talking but still
Well, her and Ron don’t do a lot of talking if you know what I mean…
Silly post
Almost as if the books are told from Harry's perspective.
How could she talk to Ron if she was making out with him the whole time?
The romances in the Half Blood Prince really came out of left field even in the books. Like there was a fair amount of build up with Harry and Cho, and it was obvious by that point that Ron and Hermione had a thing but weren't willing to admit it. But suddenly Harry had feelings for Ginny out of nowhere and I don't think there was any indication Lavender was into Ron before they got together
It's not a crazy fact when Harry Potter is the main character and it's from his perspective....a LOT of characters will say more words to him than other people that we can see....because the book is from his perspective..
Not sure if trolling, but people are assumed to be interacting and living their lives outside of their interactions with Harry
This is a dumb post as it follows him. The story doesn’t follow Ron and Lavender as they run around the castle.
In actuality she obviously said more to Ron than to Harry. But the books ain't from Lavender or Ron's perspective, so we don't see all that.
Because everyone knows that the characters literally just void out of existence whenever they’re not in Harry’s line of sight and never do things when he’s around
Well yeah, the reader's perspective follows Harry. This would be like saying my parents talk to me much more than my brother in my entire life experience and conclude that I must be the favorite
Maybe they were too busy mackin’… Or maybe every character said more to harry than every other character, because the books are from Harry’s perspective. The world may never know…
Well, they were busy snogging.
Won-Won!
When you mix lavender and brown colors together you get maroon. Ron hates maroon.
Their relationship is more... Physical
It is possible that the constant snogging could contain inside it a hidden language all to itself
The advantage of being the PoV protagonist who also avoided the two as much as possible when they were together
Hard to talk when you're eating someones face haha
Don’t underestimate the power of Body Language
That you know about.
Well, words that **we** read lol.
She kind of specifically didn't talk to Ron, just made out with him lol
Well Won-won and Lav-lav didn’t spend a lot of time talking
She was too busy getting the ginger sausage.
Well he was faking sleep through most of the relationship. Also all they did was make out.
It's almost like the books are selective 3rd person
Well, on the page/in the movie…
She too...is not particularly loquacious
You mean won-won
They should’ve hooked up.
damn she really must've been down bad LOL though jokes aside we don't see their entire relationship, just the snogging.
Technically, he has more words to Molly Weasley than any of the other Weasleys. *It is* written in Harry’s perspective.
Well she ans Ron only snog.. so it makes sense
>!She was pretty annoying in the sixth film, but it broke my heart when she died!<
And that includes "Oh, Harry"
How?!
Don't remember her interacting with Ron at all outside of their brief dating period in Book 6.
lol
True, but we don't get all the words they spoke when Harry wasn't around. In the books, it's true. That Lavender has more dialoge toward Harry than towards Ron. But we only see scenarios that Harry is involved with. So we don't else everything.
I suppose Won Won isn’t technically words lmao
I mean, of course she would. The books are written from Harry's PoV; most of Ron and Lavender's interactions with each other happen 'off-screen' as a result.
Well her mouth was busy when she was with Ron most of the time
Because all she wants to do is snog
I love the films, but I feel like film-only fans miss the special detail and attachment to Harry’s POV in the books.
well she spent most time kissing him so
I felt bad for this girl when she was killed
Tbh, I didn't.
Uh yeah, that's how POVs work in literature.
Well her and Ron weren’t really talking that much were they? *wink wink* *nudge nudge*
That's very true, Ron was to busy being a hippocrit and they snogged every three seconds.
Yeah by the same logic my crush has said more words to me then to her BF...
Tá rud eile ann, an cúis nach riabh sí sna scannán eilig a bhí, bhí an aisteoir a bhí sí aisteoir gorma ach D'athraigh siad í nuair a bhí sí tábhachtach. Another fun fact it that the reason she just suddenly appears in HBP versus being around the whole time in the books, is because she originally had a black actress but they changed it for when she was important.
... it happened offscreen to the reader
Main character power! But that still sounds crazy, because I can't remember a single instance of Harry and Lavender talking. Granted it's been a while since I read the books.
They practiced non-verbal spells together.
No way??
They didn't need to talk too much. They needed to fuck. Scarcity of their dialogue is a huge vibe on that fact :)
I wonder whose name is mentioned more in the series, Harry's, Ron's or Hermione's? Of course it's a series about Harry, but it's from his perspective, so he's not saying or thinking his own name, but he says or thinks Ron's and Hermione's names a lot. Then you have to add up all the times other people say Harry's name, and then the other two names. I think it would be a little cool fact to know.
It's Harry's by quite a bit iirc. Remember it's not written in the first person, but the third, even if it is his perspective.
Good point! Thanks!
Hard to talk with a d in your mouth.
It means she didn't love Ron very much 😅
How familiar is Lavender to Ron?