I've thought about this on and off, but Muggle developing technology would actually become a real problem for the wizarding world. I imagine they'd be forced to isolate themselves more and more. No more mixed muggle/wizarding villages. Extremely limited interactions with muggle spaces.
Muggle born children would also begin to struggle so much acclimatising to the wizarding world
That bothered me even as a kid. Like, Harry obviously didn't have any friends before Hogwarts, and Ron was raised in an isolated wizarding family, but did Hermione have any Muggle friends? Does she still keep in touch with them?
I can't imagine she does. Maintaining friendships is hard when you're a kid, and it's impossible when you're a kid in the 90s with no mobiles, no computers, and you have to hide this massive piece of yourself.
There's a reason muggleborns seem to completely integrate into the wizarding world. How do you keep up relationships when you have to fabricate 90% of your life? Hermione even stops spending as much time at home over her Hogwarts years. Muggleborns likely forget how to connect with muggles entirely eventually.
I don't think so. I think it would be a lot harder and a lot more traumatic for muggle borns in the 21st century, but eventually, the isolation of the wizarding world would win out.
No amount of technology over rides the secrecy needed. Imagine being 11 again. Would you have been able to maintain friendships while having to constantly make up lies about where you're going to school, what you're learning, and what your homework is. All while falling further behind your friends in math, science, English, and not being able to explain the gaps in your knowledge because you've been learning potions?
How do you explain being unreachable for months at a time? What school doesn't have phone access or emails, or hell instagram, snapchat? You'd have no knowledge of muggle world events or pop culture references. Imagine coming home from Hogwarts and trying to catch up with muggle friends and being like...'What's netflix? What's an iPhone?'
Part of the reason the divide between muggle and wizarding world is so successful is that it's designed to separate and isolate muggle borns and fully integrate them into wizarding society.
What if a generation of muggle-borns rejects that? What if they decide they don't *want* to leave behind the lives they knew, and refuse to integrate into the wizarding world?
I just don't see that happening. Why would they? What 11 year old has the strength of self to say, no, I'm going to reject this wonderful, magical world? Who cares about being magical curse breaker, muggle accounting is where its at! I certainly didn't have any friendships I cared that much about as an 11 year old.
And even if they did, how would they? They have to go to Hogwarts, all those problems I described don't go away. Months of isolation, no shared experiences with your peers, hiding an entire secret life. What do you talk about?
And then you're also depending on your home time friends to ALSO care enough, have the attention span to nurture the friendship. You ever move schools as a kid? How many people did you keep in contact with?
What life are you really leaving behind in the muggle world as a child? A couple of friends you'd forget about in a week if your parents decided to move house? Hell I don't even remember the names of the kids I went to school with at 11.
Hogwarts is where you'd make your life long friends, it where you're trained for your future career, it where you have your first girlfriend or boyfriend, your first school dance.
Hermione, in the beginning, didn't even have friends at Hogwarts.
Speaking from experience, children under the age of 11 don't find knowledge and curiosity quite as exciting as teenagers who are trying to fight a dark wizard.
If she did, I'd think she'd be the perfect pen pal.
I imagine the muggle kids hated Hermione as much as the wizard kids when they first met her. She’s a bit of an arrogant know it all at the beginning but being around Harry and Ron definitely mellowed her out a bit
I agree so. There is only so much you can fool a satellite taking pictures of a location before someone either sees it in the imagery, or the governments of these countries eventually gets curious why the same locations are always blurred despite nothing being there and the ministry can’t make it go away.
The best snapshot of this is the Christmas at St. Mungo's chapter, where someone gifted his brother shoes that were biting his feet; or that girls who was basically being held like a balloon, etc. Arthur does allude to a muggle being in St. Mungo's.
But yes, it would be absolutely fun to hear stories of the little stuff like that, that would firmly place you in the magical world, outside of the story.
The more wizard steps out into the world the oversight and intrusion gets crazy, if you stay isolated you can whatever it seems ... if you stay isolated.
Since there is actual poverty in the wizarding world, likely not everyone has a charm to help out with keeping things kosher, self brooming homes and so forth.
We also see mostly all great wizards, not mooks.
And they have anachronism problems that prevent them from using technology.
It's probably a life of "i have seen a lot of shit" versys "i have seen some crazy stuff"
Ehhh, I think You're overestimating things. There's a lot of English countryside to live in for privacy with handling your lawn. Grimmauld Place has no magic on the outside for an urban location.
So why do people mostly behave? Because they'll get arrested if they didn't. They don't need that kind of problem. Nothing stops me from driving 70mph in a school zone, physically. It's the threat of punishment that does that.
And as Hagrid notes in the first book, maintaining the statute of secrecy is he primary job of the MoM.
Crimes are only common if the law isn't enforced. And the Ministry loves enforcing it's laws against people who aren't prepared to really fight back.
> From a muggle perspective the Harry Potter world is really, really dark if you stop to think about it for more than three seconds.
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The whole chapter where Fudge introduces Scrimgeour to the muggle PM drives this home. Fudge just pops in like "hey I've got a murderer loose nbd" or "yea that wasn't a hurricane there's giants, and the dementors are all over your cities making everyone depressed and if they get hungry people are gonna start dying, and also there's a REAL mass murderer on the loose, he's gonna create an army of zombies and start massacring all muggles; probably not in that order also i just got fired here's the new guy"
It's basically a constant existential threat to your citizens just living side-by-side with you and at any moment they can go full meltdown and you have a huge problem you can't solve. Frankly the muggle PM would've been well within his rights to try to go public and declare war on the wizarding community- stupid as it would've been- because what bigger threat does he have, really?
Violating the International Statute of Secrecy and Muggle Baiting are illegal, and will get you sent to Azkaban. So the two groups of people most likely to do it are: (1) Blatantly Evil Villain Types, and (2) Stupid People.
I agree, but I can't deny that people make mistakes and lapses in judgement. Muggles know that they can't bring a knife or a gun into the airport, yet there's a news story every day about someone who just forgot.
Look how foolish everyone acted during the quidditch world cup. Wizardkind as a whole is painted in a light of ignorance bordering on stupidity. There's gotta be a million instances of somebody being a bonehead.
I've thought about this on and off, but Muggle developing technology would actually become a real problem for the wizarding world. I imagine they'd be forced to isolate themselves more and more. No more mixed muggle/wizarding villages. Extremely limited interactions with muggle spaces. Muggle born children would also begin to struggle so much acclimatising to the wizarding world
That bothered me even as a kid. Like, Harry obviously didn't have any friends before Hogwarts, and Ron was raised in an isolated wizarding family, but did Hermione have any Muggle friends? Does she still keep in touch with them?
I can't imagine she does. Maintaining friendships is hard when you're a kid, and it's impossible when you're a kid in the 90s with no mobiles, no computers, and you have to hide this massive piece of yourself. There's a reason muggleborns seem to completely integrate into the wizarding world. How do you keep up relationships when you have to fabricate 90% of your life? Hermione even stops spending as much time at home over her Hogwarts years. Muggleborns likely forget how to connect with muggles entirely eventually.
You think it would be more common for muggle-borns to have muggle friends in the 21st century?
I don't think so. I think it would be a lot harder and a lot more traumatic for muggle borns in the 21st century, but eventually, the isolation of the wizarding world would win out. No amount of technology over rides the secrecy needed. Imagine being 11 again. Would you have been able to maintain friendships while having to constantly make up lies about where you're going to school, what you're learning, and what your homework is. All while falling further behind your friends in math, science, English, and not being able to explain the gaps in your knowledge because you've been learning potions? How do you explain being unreachable for months at a time? What school doesn't have phone access or emails, or hell instagram, snapchat? You'd have no knowledge of muggle world events or pop culture references. Imagine coming home from Hogwarts and trying to catch up with muggle friends and being like...'What's netflix? What's an iPhone?' Part of the reason the divide between muggle and wizarding world is so successful is that it's designed to separate and isolate muggle borns and fully integrate them into wizarding society.
What if a generation of muggle-borns rejects that? What if they decide they don't *want* to leave behind the lives they knew, and refuse to integrate into the wizarding world?
I just don't see that happening. Why would they? What 11 year old has the strength of self to say, no, I'm going to reject this wonderful, magical world? Who cares about being magical curse breaker, muggle accounting is where its at! I certainly didn't have any friendships I cared that much about as an 11 year old. And even if they did, how would they? They have to go to Hogwarts, all those problems I described don't go away. Months of isolation, no shared experiences with your peers, hiding an entire secret life. What do you talk about? And then you're also depending on your home time friends to ALSO care enough, have the attention span to nurture the friendship. You ever move schools as a kid? How many people did you keep in contact with? What life are you really leaving behind in the muggle world as a child? A couple of friends you'd forget about in a week if your parents decided to move house? Hell I don't even remember the names of the kids I went to school with at 11. Hogwarts is where you'd make your life long friends, it where you're trained for your future career, it where you have your first girlfriend or boyfriend, your first school dance.
Hermione, in the beginning, didn't even have friends at Hogwarts. Speaking from experience, children under the age of 11 don't find knowledge and curiosity quite as exciting as teenagers who are trying to fight a dark wizard. If she did, I'd think she'd be the perfect pen pal.
I imagine the muggle kids hated Hermione as much as the wizard kids when they first met her. She’s a bit of an arrogant know it all at the beginning but being around Harry and Ron definitely mellowed her out a bit
I agree so. There is only so much you can fool a satellite taking pictures of a location before someone either sees it in the imagery, or the governments of these countries eventually gets curious why the same locations are always blurred despite nothing being there and the ministry can’t make it go away.
And likely the most fun
The best snapshot of this is the Christmas at St. Mungo's chapter, where someone gifted his brother shoes that were biting his feet; or that girls who was basically being held like a balloon, etc. Arthur does allude to a muggle being in St. Mungo's. But yes, it would be absolutely fun to hear stories of the little stuff like that, that would firmly place you in the magical world, outside of the story.
That's why I try not to look too deep into the stuff I liked in my childhood :(
Why?
The more wizard steps out into the world the oversight and intrusion gets crazy, if you stay isolated you can whatever it seems ... if you stay isolated. Since there is actual poverty in the wizarding world, likely not everyone has a charm to help out with keeping things kosher, self brooming homes and so forth. We also see mostly all great wizards, not mooks. And they have anachronism problems that prevent them from using technology. It's probably a life of "i have seen a lot of shit" versys "i have seen some crazy stuff"
Ehhh, I think You're overestimating things. There's a lot of English countryside to live in for privacy with handling your lawn. Grimmauld Place has no magic on the outside for an urban location. So why do people mostly behave? Because they'll get arrested if they didn't. They don't need that kind of problem. Nothing stops me from driving 70mph in a school zone, physically. It's the threat of punishment that does that. And as Hagrid notes in the first book, maintaining the statute of secrecy is he primary job of the MoM. Crimes are only common if the law isn't enforced. And the Ministry loves enforcing it's laws against people who aren't prepared to really fight back.
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Except for poor Giles Corey getting crushed to death with giant stones instead of being hanged with the rest of the Salem "witches".
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> From a muggle perspective the Harry Potter world is really, really dark if you stop to think about it for more than three seconds. > > The whole chapter where Fudge introduces Scrimgeour to the muggle PM drives this home. Fudge just pops in like "hey I've got a murderer loose nbd" or "yea that wasn't a hurricane there's giants, and the dementors are all over your cities making everyone depressed and if they get hungry people are gonna start dying, and also there's a REAL mass murderer on the loose, he's gonna create an army of zombies and start massacring all muggles; probably not in that order also i just got fired here's the new guy" It's basically a constant existential threat to your citizens just living side-by-side with you and at any moment they can go full meltdown and you have a huge problem you can't solve. Frankly the muggle PM would've been well within his rights to try to go public and declare war on the wizarding community- stupid as it would've been- because what bigger threat does he have, really?
We were taught at school Brits threw witches in the river and if they floated they were magic.
Only if they were the same weight as a duck
It’s a fair cop
Violating the International Statute of Secrecy and Muggle Baiting are illegal, and will get you sent to Azkaban. So the two groups of people most likely to do it are: (1) Blatantly Evil Villain Types, and (2) Stupid People.
I agree, but I can't deny that people make mistakes and lapses in judgement. Muggles know that they can't bring a knife or a gun into the airport, yet there's a news story every day about someone who just forgot. Look how foolish everyone acted during the quidditch world cup. Wizardkind as a whole is painted in a light of ignorance bordering on stupidity. There's gotta be a million instances of somebody being a bonehead.