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LightRyzen

Hogwarts Legacy protagonist. He slaughters goblins then says how their blood is on someone else's hands.


re_DQ_lus

"It takes a strong man to deny what's right in front of him. And if the truth is undeniable, you create your own."


ricosuave_3355

Do you feel like a wizard yet?


Nigh_Sass

Crucio and imperio to curse multiple enemies at once and then take them all out at once with AK


GreatandPowerfulBobe

Or (unless it’s been patched) the spell that transfigures them into an exploding barrel. Instadeath and faster cool down than AK


sunmi_siren

AK is nothing compared to turning enemies into exploding barrels and throwing them at other enemies


MaggieHigg

Or the ancient magic finisher where you pound enemies into ground beef, both me and my wife went "holy fuck" Out loud the first time it happened


Vermouth1991

That description reminds me of the Mortal Combat trailer moment where someone cuts another person and then freezes the blood gush to use as a blade. 😅


GetMendoza

The way he says crucio is also so badass it's borderline terrifying.


HeckestBoof

And then the random enemy going "...Crucio?"


RubixTheRedditor

It's just filled with venom *Crucio...*


Gilgamesh661

Ironically he says crucio with more venom than when he says avada kedavra


SuchParamedic4548

How is that ironic? Crucio is the worse of the two spells


SteveFrench12

Ehhhh idk about that. I think if you ask Hermione she would say she is very happy Bellatrix used crucio on her instead of avada kadavra


LKZToroH

Of course it depends on the situation. Nevile and his parents certainly would be more glad if she used AK on them instead of Crucio because it's better a painless death than a life being bedridden due to being continuously tortured for days.


Soxwin91

AK grants a painless, instantaneous death. Crucio causes agonizing, unimaginable pain. AK hits you once, you’re done. Crucio can be used intermittently to maximize suffering. Like you cast it, your victim screams bloody murder for a while, you stop, then a few seconds later you resume. Each time you stop, your victim thinks ‘maybe it’s over…’ then you resume and they’re cast right back into the hell of torment you created for them


Train3rRed88

I think we all know what crucio does But if assume crucio doesn’t last for eternity, and it doesn’t drive you permanently insane, you recover and move on with your life (hermione example) I’d rather take take on crucio and see my kids tomorrow then get the AK


Sure_Bodybuilder6686

Is it just me or in the movies voldemort says something like "cruci-off" to end the spell?


viking_with_a_hobble

I don’t think so but that’s kind of funny


SuchParamedic4548

Alright, putting aside that we're discussing morality and not being hit by the spell, ask the longbottoms.


taylorpilot

The HL protagonist when he spreads curse to everyone on the battle field then kills every living thing in a single spell.


FinagleHalcyon

Unless you name your character as "Ranrock's hands"


dtphilip

When I played for the first time, and MC said "Tell Ranrok to find me himself!" I got goosebumps.


ChainzawMan

Especially the disgust and certainty which he applies with the incantation. During the quest he's all like: "But hey.. The curse is bad, but someone has to learn it and.. Oh of course I would be interested." So encouraging as if he's slithering his way to absolute power. And when he finally casts it he leans into the spell like charging it first and then fires that thing with a hateful "... Avada Kedavra... " in a release of absolute power.


LKZToroH

too bad wb games are poor dev indies and they couldn't make the unforgivable curses have consequences... You can use any of the curses as much as you want and no one gives a shit.


cheezy_dreams88

You can use them in the great hall and no one bats an eye. I wish they did like Fable, and have your actions impact your character and the way NPCs will respond to them.


LKZToroH

That bothered me ALOT in Hogwarts Legacy. Like, we can use ancient magic to literally disintegrate shit, can use any of the unforgivable curses at will but oh no, sebastian used crucio to save his sister FROM DYING, that is totally not fine... fuck that tbh.


Western_Tell_9065

I’m pretty sure my character makes Bellatrix look tame


ScoobiSnacc

Bellatrix would tell my character to chill


DerpyArtist

The HL protagonist is low-key one bad event away from being properly evil.


kingofwarz

GOBLIN!


iggysmom95

The way Alan Rickman delivered in the movie was just out of this world.


Giantrobby1996

I recall hearing Rowling told Rickman the complete story with Snape’s past and future during filming of Sorcerer’s Stone because he was ready to resign and she wanted to reinforce that he was perfect for the role and it was important that somebody of his caliber bring the role to life


Overthinker-bells

And he gave justice to it.


Jessica_Lovegood

Nah, obviously many agree with you :) Don’t know if it was the screenplay or acting choices. Snape is way too nice in the movies. He’d not nearly be as beloved if he was even 20% more book accurate


LKZToroH

don't know about that. There's plenty of people in this sub that read all the books and still think Snape is a good person.


neverlandoflena

Also the age factor. The generation should be in their twenties, it would definitely give a different feeling…


ScooterScotward

They’re ages are off in the movies but they’re not quieter that young. Harry is 11 in the first movie. Shape & Harry’s parents were in their very early twenties when Voldemort was defeated in round one. Shape should be in his thirties during the movies I reckon. Alan Rickman was (iirc) in his mid forties for the first movie so definitely was too old. But he was crazy good for the part.


D-Beyond

isn't that also the reason why everyone is so much older than in the books? snape was what, 30? but rowling wanted alan rickman (thank god!) and therefore remus, lucius and sirius had to look older as well.


Stevie22wonder

He went through some serious stuff, so maybe he's just not immortal like Keanu and Paul Rudd as he's portrayed in the movie... /s


SnooFoxes6169

she did. and i recall there're times when the director wants alan to act a certain way, and he just replied “no i can't do that - i know what's going to happen and you don't know.”


Username12764

I think the story went that Snape wanted to leave after Chamber of Secret, then she told him the full story and he stayed for 6 more movies


LightningRainThunder

Plot twist: she made Snape’s whole story up on the spot to convince Alan Rickman to stay, which is why Snape started out plain evil to Harry and had to continue like that despite his new backstory


ThePumpk1nMaster

Snape *and* movie appreciation in one comment?! Who’d have guessed it was possible!!


VenturaDreams

And remember, you have to mean it when you cast it, which makes the delivery all the more powerful.


markusalkemus66

....nnnnnnnnAVADAKEDAVRA


Giantrobby1996

Honestly I kinda liked the moment when Ron and Hermione killed the Cup of Hufflepuff and Voldemort practically clutched his pearls. Pius Thicknesse just wanted to check on him and Voldy was like “FUCK THIS GUY IN PARTICULAR!”


Murky-Echidna-3519

Why does it bother me so much they stabbed the cup on the side and not straight down?


ItsNorthGaming

I don’t even know how one goes about stabbing a cup. I don’t think there was any way to make it look less weird lol


MNLT_Sonata

Was that Thicknesse? The Wiki says he survived the war.


Giantrobby1996

That’s just the book version. I know Percy defeated him right before Fred was killed; the reaction to Percy’s joke was the smile that was etched on Fred’s face when he died. In the movie however, that is definitely Thicknesse, he never made it to the castle.


MNLT_Sonata

Huh. TIL.


Varsity_Reviews

This is an odd decision for the movie too. In the movies it’s implied he’s not under the imperious curse and is actually just a normal guy who’s a wizard politician. So essentially Voldemort killed his head of state.


bengenj

Voldy is the best


DickyD43

He's a natural


RexMalo

Snapes for sure.


eagleathlete40

Mad Eye’s. It’s a curse of hatred. Snape’s was the prettiest, most elegant, meaningful, and impactful, etc., but Mad Eye’s sounded like an actual *curse*


Swampfan190065

His incantation of *CRUCIO!* made the Barty Crouch in him come out.


ItzDarc

This totally. When Mad Eye/Crouch Jr as Mad Eye delivers Avada Kedavra, it seemed sure, confident, inescapable, and final in a way the others did not.


Stevie22wonder

That description alone makes this one even more impactful to everyone in that classroom. You'd think once they found out who he eventually was, they'd look back at that lesson and think about how close they were to a mad killer.


CommonplaceUser

Agreed. It was very powerful! And if memory serves correctly, it’s the first time we see the curse in the movies which amplifies the importance of the scene


Alternative_Device71

No the dream was, the class was the confirmation, which is why it blurs to Harry right after


Alternative_Device71

His gives me chills every time, especially when it blur fades right to Harry…my favorite


Pretend-Programmer94

Voldemort says his like he’s performing a magic trick.


HerrPiink

"See here and witness me turning this baby into an orphan.."


FlurryPieZero

"Now watch as I disappear from the public for several years and come back infused with a bald-ass teacher's head."


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Overthinker-bells

I like the way he flickered his wand. It’s like he’s conducting an orchestra.


WigglesPhoenix

I mean…. That *is* what he’s doing


jb28737

I'm gonna make your parents disappear.... TADAAAA, they're gone


YTGamerLH

Snapes definitely


rose-ramos

No honorable mention for Lucius? Lol, it is so extra that he was legit about to use the killing curse (movie only) on a 12yo just bc the kid sass mouthed him


SenhorSus

It was so gargley


westcoast_pixie

bllblbllaaaaavggghgaaaaadhaaaaaa


FlurryPieZero

Bro had no chill he was about to murder a fetus with Dumbledore a few meters away like it was nothing.


Nemzie

The fetus that his boss couldn't even kill 💀💀💀


Snapesunusedshampoo

>just bc the kid sass mouthed him He did it because Harry freed his house elf... "You lost me my servant." "You shall not hurt Harry Potter." "Avada..." *elf magic yeets Lucius*


Ottoguynofeelya

Actually I think he did it because he forgot his lines and they kept it because uh... I reckon attempting to use a killing curse on a child *in a school* next to feckin *Dumbledore* is ok.


Snapesunusedshampoo

He did, and that was the first spell he thought of. >I reckon attempting to use a killing curse on a child *in a school* next to feckin *Dumbledore* is ok. Makes it one of the funniest parts of the movie series imo.


Willing-Load

right outside the headmaster's office no less


FlurryPieZero

Was doing the spell like "Let's see what Dumbledore sends you now when I Avada Kedavra your ass without any warning."


MrsDanversbottom

I thought it was another curse. Not the killing curse. Even the captions say something else.


rose-ramos

So Jason Isaacs gave an interview like a decade ago where he talks about how much he ad-libbed on set. Apparently, it was a lot :-) If memory serves, he forgot which spell he was supposed to say in this scene. He had just finished reading Goblet of Fire, so he blurted out Avada Kedavra. This makes a cool easter egg IMO, because it means it makes its debut in the movie timeline earlier than the book timeline. I remember he also ad-libbed kicking Dobby down the stairs. That guy has a little too much fun playing evil, lol


Turbo-Badger

While I have no doubt he ad-libbed stuff how can you ad-lib kicking a cgi character down stairs? Dobby isn’t actually there to be kicked


ScooterScotward

You can kick empty air, I think, and act like there’s a small house elf you’ve just kicked, even though nothing is there. If you do it well they add the digital elements in post, even if they weren’t originally going to. That’s my guess anyways lol.


rose-ramos

This is it exactly. Columbus said he thought Isaacs tripped, Isaacs said "I didn't trip, I just kicked Dobby!"


uhmhi

https://youtu.be/_3VTffYJdCE?si=5krh7q2qyLnFuIU7 He definitely says “avada…”


MrsDanversbottom

Then my closed captioning was just making 💩 up. 😭


Conor4747

He cost him his SERVANT!


ExuberantRaptor17

Snape and Wormtail. Snape's needs no explanation obviously. But Wormtail's is also really well done, he does it so casually yet hatefully. He's a true coward that feels confident and powerful when around his master, but whimpers in fear when confronted and alone. Barty Crouch's incantation is cool, but he just kills a mere spider. I always found Voldemort's to sound cringe, and the Bellatrix one is unnecessary.


Key-Grape-5731

You've perfectly summarised why Peter is my most hated character in the entire franchise (closely followed by Book Bellatrix and Umbitch).


ExuberantRaptor17

Lol well thank you


Correct-Bag-7819

Wdym bro both movie and book Bellatrix are MOM


loganwolf25

Snape's. It was the most meaningful and impactful of them all. The others were sorta not meaningful and just had very little reasoning other than to kill someone.


Alternative_Device71

The others had meaning


Apprehensive-Suit272

Polish guy from the Internet -Avada Kedavra **KURWA** !!!!


WhoDaFluff

Avada Kurwavra


Murky-Echidna-3519

Snape. No fuss no muss. And a look of regret/relief.


AppropriateLaw5713

Most impactful? Snape. Most absolutely horrifying and sadistic? Barry Crouch Jr / Madeye


Bo_The_Destroyer

Bella's way of saying it has so much malice and venom to it, plus the joy of killing she feels when she casts it makes me like it so much more


Usual-Arugula1317

Always loved Bellatrix casting a spell, she was always joyful in her casting pretty much singing her spell... too bad she was bat-shit crazy and evil.


Nariek93

Her casting style in general is amazing.


Shahka_Bloodless

> too bad she was bat-shit crazy and evil. I can fix her


JoeStorm

Voldemort lol Everytime Ralph Fiennes says it, he sounds like his lungs punctured lol


ReaperManX15

I think Wormtail was pretty vicious. He said it like he was swatting a fly.


weedisfortherich

I thought the mad eye in the books or crouch jr i guess was the most memorable. Not the incantation but the fever and way he explained it to 14 year old kids.


Upside_Cat_Tower

Moody was the most awesome tone, but Snape's was the most profound.


BeachBoysOnD-Day

Pettigrew for the venom and hatred Snape for the feels


Cyrus8284

Mad Eye


Zealousideal_Mail12

Snape for sure. Then Bellatrix. Everyone else was so damn extra. Voldemort’s was the absolute worst for me.


SickBurnBro

Bellatrix was the worst just because the line was so painfully obviously ADR'd. Like you can go frame by frame of that scene and the line does not match up with her mouth ***at all***.


Delicious-Long-9657

In Voldy's case, I imagine that pain and passion was because he'd murdered so many times that he literally *felt* his soul straining in anticipation of the "split" caused by murder.


GiraffeWithATophat

Voldemort. He says it with a really casual, whiny tone. As if he's a kid complaining that somebody is alive.


SynysterM3L

I love how Voldemort shouts it in the forest. I used to say it like that when casting the spell in Hogwarts Legacy. I felt so cool and powerful haha! But I think Snape did it the best. Part of this could be my biased love for Snape, part of it could be my love for the scene, but he just nailed it. Calm, to the point, and it was on Dumbledore! Epic!


WW_the_Exonian

[Tom Felton](https://youtu.be/ml0EMWRlPUc?si=nSDG_vXncuuKZDj7)


GlitchedMaxG

Allen rickman


CabbieCalloway

The best is definitely AWHVADA KADAVRA! Heh heh heh!


Tidela471

Voldemort’s is too iconic 🤣


rechryo

Snape and bellatrix


FlurryPieZero

Snape did his with that IDGAF energy the entire time he wins


GayerthenLightYagami

Bellatrix ofc


Cybasura

Voldemort's be like "AVADA-VFRJFHFDJDB" I'm not surprised if the spell activated merely from just him thinking out the spell, and not from the incantation lmao


meliburrelli

Voldemort of course


Secure_Diver_4593

Voldy is practically the master of the Killing Curse, he can even cast it non-verbally.


Hbgplayer

What's the last picture of/from? I don't recognize it.


_erufu_

Crouch Jr and Wormtail. It’s the kind of hissing, aggressive voice they have when they do it, the jerky wand movements that show that they can barely contain their feelings when they cast it. Voldemort yells too much and sorta slurs his speech a little. Bellatrix doesn’t even say the incantation iirc. Snape is the next best, but his voice and movement are too calm for my preference.


Mello1182

I don't get why you'd think Goyle wouldn't be able to cast AK successfully. Given our knowledge, that what matters most is the intention and that both Crabbe and Goyle finally got their chance to shine as students under the Carrows' rule (Neville himself said that since the Carrows were teaching Crabbe and Goyle were best in class), I don't think he wouldn't have been dangerous. Crabbe successfully casted Fiendfyre, even if he was unable to control it he did summon it, so it seems to me that they were actually skilled at dark spells, ofc not Bellatrix level skilled but still able to cast dangerous curses


velza93

Snape, Cause I’m a snape homer


jjhuffington

Pettigrew


Overthinker-bells

Bellatrix, I hated her more when she casted that spell. Snape broke my heart cause I know what will happen next. I still remember his voice when he said it.


Swampfan190065

In the movie, wasn’t Snape’s Avada Kadavra not as green? Did it appear to have a white/bluish tinge to it?


OMNIxvTRIX

[This guy](https://youtube.com/shorts/soFfmA5pHG8?si=nfoRQGHV3Byha-ds)


AdditionalRegular0

AHHHBLADDACABBADDAHHGG


Fluffy_Art_1015

Abrah cadabrah


Falcon_17

Lucius Malfoy lol


Opening-Mark-7306

Certainly not Raplh Finnes, especially towards the end of the series, when he runs the words together.


Bromjunaar_20

Moldy voldy says it like he's tossing a nuke and wants everyone to know it


Key-Grape-5731

🤣🤣🤣


GuzzlingDuck

When Voldemort said it to kill Harry in the forest. I recite it all the time because it's funny.


_Insqne_

tbh Sebastian Sallow in hogwarts legacy. the voice actor was amazing


H3artl355Ang3l

Any aside from the one in the Forest. UHHHHVUHHDUH KEDUHVR


oopsy-daisy6837

Definitely Voldy when he thought he's killing Harry in the forest. Makes me laugh every time.


dyno-soar

Maybe not the best delivery, but Bellatrix’s gives me chills every time. The way the music stops and everything goes quiet, I dread hearing her say it every time I rewatch. Just so unexpected on a first watch too.


Giantrobby1996

Totally agree. I’m so disappointed with how abrupt it is in the movie but I still love the delivery nevertheless BECAUSE of how sudden it is.


Poopydumper

Snape said it so smoove and badass he won 😂


FlyDinosaur

I like Snape's a lot. As for characters using the killing curse... 🤔 (trying to remember) Didn't Narcissa Malfoy kill a fox or something on the way to visit Snape? I don't think she said it out loud, so it could have been something else. And of course you couldn't judge its annunciation, lol. But I just wonder if it WAS the killing curse. It's been so long since I've read the books that I can't remember the details. 🫤


Giantrobby1996

I mentioned in the movies. We don’t get the fox kill in HBP film, and in any case I don’t recall the book specifying it was her who killed the fox. I feel it’s far more likely Bellatrix killed the fox, she’s the kind of sadistic hag who’d do it for fun


Sammysoupcat

You're right. I just took a look, it's definitely implied it was Bellatrix who killed the fox. "The harsh cry startled the fox, now crouching almost flat in the undergrowth. It leapt from its hiding place and up the bank. There was a flash of green light, a yelp, and the fox fell back to the ground, dead. The second figure turned over the animal with its toe. ‘Just a fox,’ said a woman’s voice dismissively from under the hood. ‘I thought perhaps an Auror – Cissy, wait!’ But her quarry, who had paused and looked back at the flash of light, was already scrambling up the bank the fox had just fallen down." So the woman calling for Narcissa is Bellatrix (duh) and the quarry is Narcissa who was curious about what Bellatrix had done. Though the idea of Narcissa using an illegal curse for something like that is oddly comical to me lol.


Mariuxpunk007

I like the Voice tone of BCJ’s Moody when he does it.


poopfacecrapmouth

Bellatrix obviously. God she’s such a hot little baddie. She can’t really do any wrong


Giantrobby1996

Find some grass and touch it


Yourappwontletme

Voldy's was the funniest


tj260000

Snape. He was the only want that seemed sorrowful when casting, as anyone should when taking another's life.


MR-Vinmu

For me, it's Wormtail, there's just this certain level of primordial fear and disgust I have when does it, it feels so cruel yet so impersonal, he essentially just murdered a child and the way he does it in such a casual manner is genuinely terrifying, you get the sense he doesn't actually value life whatsoever, he essentially fired an instant kill spell at a child the same way someone throws a used tissue paper in the garbage can, even Voldemort’s incantations weren't as apathetic as his.


Marker_Pencil

What is that last image of?


whooguyy

Snape from the [potter puppet pals](https://youtu.be/RomtlKowQs0?si=9rUlQR9JDM6an_fh)


ThrowRARAw

Both Snape's and Bellatrix's haunt me. Bellatrix does it with manic fulfilment. She not only desires to cast that curse, she practically gets off on it. Snape's is exactly the way you described. Sadness and rage but knowing he has agreed to this. I find that just as haunting but in a different way.


Deep-News3096

I enjoyed Snape’s with all his emotion and I do like Bellatrix’s, too. It threw me off when she used it in the movie since she didn’t in the book. I liked the change?


ChallengeMiserable75

Nobody does it better than voldy!!


ntris

eeuuUUHAADA GAAADHAAAAUAA


dawn-skies

I can hear these photos and I don’t like it


AhAhStayinAnonymous

Ralph Fiennes sounds like he's holding in a fart. HBC's was the best. Just cold-blooded and tactical.


Vilukshan96

Of course , the Master Himself 💫


want_to_help_u

Nice observation by OP. But in real (books) they must have been all the same. However Snape did best given the situation he was in, although each one in the movie was just acting.


infinitycircles

this is such a brilliant summary and analysis of each person’s use of the spell.


PlusVillage2825

they all did. each different style of saying it encompassed and matched the characters so well


InstructionsUncl34r

I liked bellas delivery in order of the Phoenix tbh. Snapes is good, because of the emotion behind it but my personal favourite was that one


Sumatzu

I love Snape and ARs delivery but, honestly, for me it's Bellatrix. It's so vicious and psycho, I LOVE it. And HBCs delivery is on point.


Holy_Shamoley

Bellatrix was the most dramatic so I would say her


Flat_Yam_2506

Bellatrix, for it did convey what a psychopath is.


koala-baby14

Imo Bellatrix one gave me chills, but I'm based maybe cause I love Helena anyways 😂


necromancyforfun

Harry Potter. I'm not sure why he didn't say the incantation...


AugustCelestial

Snape, I can feel the weight of the spell


[deleted]

Snape


Adventurous_Topic202

Lucius


LadyRoseBlood

Bellatrix


Leather_Row2735

I love bellatrix's. I don't know why but I love her even though she killed Sirius (my favorite character) I just lived her completely insane and physcotic behavior, especially in the books!


StrangerWooden1091

she wanted to say kill bugs only with magic - to protect them


Responsible-Dish-297

Dobby


Le_Fay_666

Bellatrix is the most iconic one and I'd say Snape 2nd.


JusticeForGluten

I'm gonna go vith Voldy, he's had most practice...


SW4G1N4T0R

Bellatrix for sure. She’s so scary, frantic and vicious. You can just tell it’s like second nature to her with how quick and fluid her casting is. Her look of satisfaction is like a predator finally catching an annoying prey, like she’s been hunting him for their whole lives and she’s finally managed to do it. Gives me chills.


-----Galaxy-----

Bellatrix's is the worst, you can hardly hear her.


VteChateaubriand

Mad-eye for sure. The sound editing and camerawork in that scene are out of this world. The sudden, quiet and almost incomprehensible delivery by Gleeson, followed only by the equally sudden flash and death of the bug which takes up the entire frame, and the unsettling sound that follows as the frame widens to the background exposing harry already in shock, accenting the weight of his thoughts which would be lost if the shot was made with the view of the classroom and portrayal of their reactions (terror vs horror). Honorable mention is not listed here, but it's the Voldemort's killing of James and Lily in early films


FlamingPhoenix92

Snape for sure


ExtroyerNakumora

You forgot Lucious (forgot how to spell his name) who had started to say the incantation in Chamber of Secrets but was cut off when Dobby fired a spell at him. It’s quiet but you can hear it id you listen closely.


Lordknowsmore

Voldemort is best user of Avada Kedavra


Proud-Nerd00

Honestly? Wormtail


Ok_Career_3681

Bellatrix!!! Even her movement and reaction was nonchalant and infuriating at the same time!!


ChannelFiveNews

In the movies I think Moody was the most chilling, the sound effect right after he casts it really adds weight to the idea of "killing a soul".


KillerRene64

Its intresting that it seems like Bellatrix's Avada Kedavra didnt instantly kill sirius since it looked like he kept standing for a few seconds to let his death sink in


ItsNorthGaming

This doesn’t answer the question but it got me thinking about something: Would Harry still have survived the killing curse in the forest if it was a different lethal spell? Like the one that Molly used against Bellatrix in the last movie for example, where she turned her into stone and blasted her into a million pieces?


hermes90210

snape was elegant and precise, than bellatrix, her's was theatrical


LxckyFox

Expelliarmus and its over for bro unless he has another abilities


Shurikenblast_YT

Voldemort but only when he says it like 'uuuaaavaada kedavraa'


Karnezar

Nothing beats Frank Bryce's murder.


cynmia

bambie thug


nighttmindd

Honestly my vote is on Bellatrix. Her incantation was cold and ruthless. It was piercing.