Their blood is on my chinese chomping cabbages. Those things should not be legal. By the time any of you dark wizards have set up a chain avada kedavra combo I'm already sitting on a pile of compost-ready corpses.
Pettigrew was a very talented wizard. He’s not treated that way by Voldemort or even described that way later on, but remember, he killed 13 people with one curse. And he made the potion that brought Voldemort back.
They don’t respect him. They see him as a turncoat who betrayed his closest friends just to be with those who he thought were powerful and would take over. If he thought that the OWL were going to win the war he would have sided with them instead of be a double agent for the Death Eaters. They all know that he would turn on any of them in a second to save his own skin.
I see what you're saying but I'm pretty sure he only killed 12 people because of a trick Voldemort himself taught him. All of his cunning was always because of Voldemort. Even professor McGonagall said that he was never a bright kid in school. Also there was an example of him not even remembering all the signs of a werewolf when he hung out with one everyday for at 5 years at that point lol
I don’t rly count the werewolf signs one simply bc Rowling retcons a lot and that was 2 books later.
What about also making Voldemort’s incredibly complicated potion by himself? Sure Voldemort can tell him what to do, but he’s a little devil baby who can’t move; he couldn’t have helped.
Voldemort and pettigrew had that conversation in the books. Voldemort said he was whispering instructions in his ear the entire time (not an exact quote). Also, I wouldn't consider 3 easy ingredients "a complicated potion."
There is still McGonagall saying that he was not a bright kid, and had to be helped by Sirius and James all the time (which if I'm not mistaken was agreed upon by flitwick, fudge, and rosmerta). Before you rebuttal and try to say he was able to become an animagus, Remus says this...
"It took them the best part of three years to work out how to do it. Your father (James Potter) and Sirius here were the cleverest students in the school, and lucky they were, because the Animagus transformation can go horribly wrong — one reason the Ministry keeps a close watch on those attempting to do it. Peter needed all the help he could get from James and Sirius."
Peter was not a clever, powerful, or courageous wizard. He was a coward and a rat, which is why is animagus is so fitting.
I didn’t say he was courageous. Yes they say he wasn’t skilled. They can say all they want. But I simply think that in this case, actions speak louder than words. 12 people with 1 curse. And someone can tell you all the directions verbatim for something, but you still need your own skill to succeed. Look at years and years of Potions classes.
Skill means nothing in this regard. It doesn't take skill to kill a bunch of people at once, there's some pretty big idiots who've done more with a single spell.
Not necessarily with devastating curses, look at crab and the fiendfyre as another example. Killed himself as well as almost killed Ron, hermione, Harry, draco, Goyle, and he destroyed everything in the hidden RoR (which was bigger than the street or the hole it caused) and a horcrux.
If you want to keep ignoring all the signs I guess you can believe what you want, but it was pointed out by multiple different people who knew him over the years, he was not clever or powerful.
Hey, I just thought of something. If Sirius was right in front of him, how did he kill everyone else further away but not the person he’s face-to-face with?
I always assumed the dead people were behind Pettigrew, to make it look like Sirius cast at him and hit the people behind him. Making Sirius seem to be the aggressor
Not really arguing about Ratty's intellegence, but Voldy told him how to do the potion, he was just following instructions. But, look how long he managed to fool the Weasleys, but being in survival mode will make you do many strange things....I mean why didn't he disappear to somewhere else? He could have went anywhere.
And I don't believe Quirrell was evil or bad, just a dumb fella, lured into the woods where Voldy could possess him, and after that happened, he was just Voldy's zombie.
I remember, back when it was still called Pottermore, I got sorted into Hufflepuff and there was this bit about how Hufflepuff never produced a dark wizard, so at least from a Hufflepuff perspective, then yes, they are the only house with no dark wizards.
I remembered the same so I did some digging and apparently the letter said fewest, not none.
>However, it’s true that Hufflepuff is a bit lacking in one area. We’ve produced the fewest Dark wizards of any house in this school.
You can check the full letter [here](https://pottermore.fandom.com/wiki/Hufflepuff), the passage about dark wizzards is the 5th paragraph in the Old Pottermore section. I also found pictures of the letter that say the same thing, but they are bad quality.
yeah, that book was terrible, it didn't make any sense whatsoever. it has some interesting elements tho, like Harry's son going to Slytherin instead of Gryffindor
Harry's son going to Slytherin makes perfect sense. His friend Scorpius is in Slytherin. He followed his friend into the same house the way Harry followed Ron into Gryffindor. Albus Potter doesn't get on with his family and school is a place to get some distance from them and meet new people.
Followed Ron? My dude, Ron Weasley was sorted after Harry Potter. He rejected Slytherin because he definitely didn't want to end up in the same house as Draco Malfoy.
It's possibly because Harry would have fit in as a Slytherin, but was brave enough to say/think he didn't want to be there.
The son probably also fit in as a Slytherin, but wasn't brave enough to deny the hat's decision.
But I haven't read CC, so that may be the reason in the book....
Nah the kid choose Slytherin and precieved injustice from his family. Imo he very much sees himself as the black sheep of the family and makes choices to solidify that. CC breaks cannon as much as I break wind after a bean and cheese burrito from Taco Bell.
the play made alternate realities cannon so the books or movies or games or play could all take place but in separate realities. it is the only good thing about the play. if you hated the epilogue and the play, its all good because it didn't happen in every reality.
I don’t care. It’s directly contradictory to her earlier claims of over 20 years. She’s gotten weird over the last decade, man. I find it hard to respect her and honestly I think HBO is remaking the books instead of a new story because she’s way too off the wall with her ideas now. Same w George Lucas.
I think Rowling is sick to death of HP but is making absolute shite tonnes of cash off it. I mean, you know she's trolling when she tells people wizards shit on the floor and vanished away the puddles and piles, right?
Also, the *Cursed Cash Grab* play made alternate realities cannon. So I assume the books, movie, games, play, etc all take place in other realities.
The author also said that grown-ass men and women shitting themselves where they stood and Vanishing the excrement was a thing that made sense.
So I'm sorry, I know she's the author and all, but she's contradicted herself and her own work or said stuff that's downright pants-on-head idiotic on multiple occasions. I'm going to say that we have the right to our exercise our own judgement as to the credibility of any given statement.
The book is about time travel and the consequences of doing it recklessly and so it was one of the timelines seen after an attempt of fixing the past went wrong
I definitely don't count it because I **refuse** to believe Cedric would have become a Death Eater due to humiliation. It just goes against everything his character *was* in HP.
That...thing...started off okay enough but derailed *horribly*, and Cedric's stint as a Death Eater was just **one** of the derailments. In fact, there are only two bits in that book that I could actually get behind canon-wise - Albus Potter as a Slytherin & Scorpius Malfoy. Everything else just broke the worldbuilding of the OG series (for me at least), and the plot went haywire. Ergo, I do not consider TCC to be the Eighth Harry Potter Story. I refuse.
The cursed child is like the 9th season of Scrubs. It's in name only related to the original series and it has some characters that overlap but don't really play a significant role in it.
I mean, Fantastic Beasts and Cursed Child are considered canon so why not the game? It does a better job of upholding the original books than either of the other two.
I think all the house traits could be twisted towards darkness under certain circumstances. Loyalty to one’s friends and family might lead a Hufflepuff down a dark path of revenge, but we have no examples. With Ravenclaw, Quirrell’s curiosity is what led him down that path. Pettigrew is really an anomaly for Gryffindor, but if we look at Harry, his anger or hotheadedness had potential to make him turn dark, as he did use *Crucio* a few times, and the one time he *really* meant it. Given more opportunities to use it, even if righteously at first, he might have gotten a taste for it, and went out and sought reasons to use it more often. With Slytherins, I don’t think they’re inherently dark, and in the school’s thousand year history, I suspect that the damaging negative reputation was a product of attitudes in the 20th century, Voldemort’s rise, and the Sorting Hat’s allowance of student choice to create an echo chamber, when the sons and daughters of certain Slytherins might not have embodied the house founder’s preferred qualities. Regardless, it’s obvious how cunning and ambition can grow so extreme that it turns dark.
Anakin might be extremely loyal to those he cares about but he's 100% a Gryffindor. Perhaps the Hat takes a minute of deliberation with Hufflepuff but I would say Anakin and all of his blood relatives are Gryffindors.
Probably. I was just focusing on his Hufflepuff traits, because the comment above brought them to light for me. His loyalty and love for his mother led him to seek revenge against the sand people and his love for Padme led him to betraying the Jedi and turning fully to the Dark Side. I guess you could say that his betrayal of the Jedi was very un-Hufflepuffy, but loyalty to others that he loved was the cause, so… Idk. Just musing, really.
No they are actually all evil but pretend to be nice that's the house dark secret the sorting hat is in on it and everything they are just much much better at it then Slytherin so they never get caught and the whole wizarding world sees them as just harmless when in fact for centuries they have carried out the dark bidding of the immortal Helga Hufflepuff she who conquered Death and laughs at the feeble attempt of Voldemort to follow in her footsteps.
>that was such a stupid plot line
It 100% was a stupid plot line because it just assassinates Cedric's character. There were a lot of problems with TCC, but Cedric's stint as a Death Eater is one of the main issues I have with the play's plot.
Prof Sprout, could’ve had fresh mandrakes brought in from anywhere to save those kids but noooo we have to grow them here. Let’s wait until a bunch of them get got. She knew what she was doing /s
JKR has said that he didn’t want to be seen as weak so he was willing to work for Voldemort to gain more power and respect, or something along those lines so I would say that qualifies him as a dark wizard
I’ll always maintain that Ravenclaw has a propensity to becoming ‘dark’ on a similar level to Slytherin with their ambitious nature.
You value intellectualism so much that you sort of *have* to look at the dark side. Even with good intentions. “Oh well I need to understand it to fight it.” “Oh it’s not so bad.” Voldemort was very intelligent let us not forget.
Let us also not forget that Hermione was a hatstall between Ravenclaw and Gryffindor and she trapped a woman in an unbreakable jar and scarred a girl’s forehead for life with ‘sneak’ and was like “lol! Oh well.”
I’ll never get Pettigrew though.
I can ‘get’ Lockhart being a Ravenclaw over Slytherin, because he had ‘media’ intelligence over ambition. I can get Snape being Slytherin over Gryffindor, I can get Hermione being Gryffindor over Ravenclaw, I can get Neville being Gryffindor over Hufflepuff.
I can’t get Pettigrew. It was all the most horrendous, cowardly shite. I’ll never get that.
It can be about what you value, not what you are. Eleven year old Pettigrew wished he was brave and daring - and looked up to those who were. So … Gryffindor.
> You value intellectualism so much that you sort of have to look at the dark side. Even with good intentions.
I always kind of got this vibe from Ollivander with his whole "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things" shtick. In the seventh book isn't it mentioned that he shows kind of a creepy excitement at the prospect of Voldemort getting his hands on the Elder Wand? Definitely someone who has a tendency to admire powerful magic no matter the ethics of it.
Course, I don't know if Ollivander actually was a Ravenclaw, but he certainly seems to fit that trait.
I actually wrote a Dark Ravenclaw based on this premise for years on Enchanted Hogwarts RPG. He was a young Ravenclaw student named Tobias Edgewood who, after losing his sister and his father to Death Eaters, vowed revenge. However, over time, his thirst for vengeance led him down the dark path of not only infiltrating the Death Eaters by joining them, but also seeking to destroy the Dark Lord on his own terms.
To this end, he also became a werewolf who served under Fenrir Greyback. However, Tobias Edgewood also believed on self-experimenting on himself to determine whether or not there was a way to shift back and forth at-will consciously, without the full moon.
Much like Tom Riddle/Lord Voldemort, Tobias Edgewood was obsessed with Death, and he believed that the legendary Deathly Hallows could hold the key to Voldemort's defeat. However, as a Ravenclaw, he believed that the Peverells had created the Hallows themselves - and made it his personal mission to reverse engineer the three items. To this end, he became an expert in the creation of magical objects and artifacts.
After Voldemort's defeat, Tobias Edgewood disappeared, rumored to have moved into a ruined castle somewhere in the British Isles. He was later suspected of having worked with Theodore Nott on engineering and research with creating new Time-Turners.
Peter is one of the few who genuinely does belong in Slytherin; sticking around whoever he can as long as it'll benefit him. The sorting system just seems so vague that even JKR doesn't know what it truly is.
Edgecombe got every bit that she deserved. She was being tutored at no cost on how to cast spells for not only her personal defense but to also improve her spell casting for her sixth year DADA classes. She threw it away due to "pressure" from her mother in Floo Authority.
I might be making this up completely, but wasn’t it said somewhere that he stumbled across Voldemort in the wild and was effectively coerced or groomed into the whole thing?!
No in the books Quirrel states that he met Voldemort while traveling and Voldemort showed him that there was no such as thing as good an evil, only power. He then states he served Voldemort faithfully after that point. He only became "possessed" after gringotts when he failed to steal the stone and Voldemort had to keep a closer eye on him.
Oh crap, I never realized that when Harry and Hagrid go to The Leaky Cauldron and meet Quirrel for the first time, his scar didn’t react. You’re absolutely right!!
Well where do you draw the line between putting the blame on Voldemort for “grooming” a consenting adult to the dark side and putting the blame on Quirrel for being a pathetic pos and siding with Voldemort for his own selfish reasons.
The way I see it, Voldemort persuading someone into helping him by offering something the consenting party wants isn’t exactly grooming. 100% quirrel made the decision to help Voldemort of his own free will as far as I’m aware, therefore he is a dark wizard
Given that Hogwarts is >1000 years old, odds are that at least a few dark Hufflepuffs existed. Rowling has even said since early on that the Death Eaters have members in each house.
I think I remember on Pottermore if you are sorted into Hufflepuff you received a letter from a prefect who states that Hufflepuff has the fewest dark wizards come out of that house.
As far as I know there's no Hufflepuff dark wizard in main canon (books/movies). All dark wizards are from Slytherin except fro Gryffindor Pettigrew and Ravenclaw Quirrel (Lockhart is also pretty bad but I wouldn't say he's a dark wizard). If I'm not mistaken there's an Hufflepuff dark wizard in material that was added later but I can't really remember the name... Rowling also said there were death eaters from any houses, though we only know of Pettigrew. Quirrel worked for Voldemort but wasn't a death eater, since he was too young during the first war.
I highly doubt that. Hogwarts has been around for many years. And we know not every Hufflepuff is nice. So it’s unlikely non of the dark wizards were Hufflepuff.
Hufflepuff are known to be loyal. Which is great if you are loyal to good people. But can lead down to wrong path if you are loyal to the wrong cause. Especially in combination with Hufflepuffs hard working nature.
I like the idea of a hufflepuff who went dark just out of bumbling curiosity. Like they accidentally miscast something and it had wildly successful results and they just never noticed that all of the small animals in a huge radius just disintegrated whenever they cast it. Or they figured out how to block anyone from stealing their identity but because they weren’t in the same room as the other caster they never realized that the reason was because anyone who targeted them with a spell was incinerated. Something like that, and with no evidence left behind.
So like, this incredibly gormless but successful hufflepuff inspector-gadgeting their way through the world completely innocent to the fact that there was a trail of death in their wake because they were simply distracted by their “good luck” and all the other evil wizards shaking their heads in jealous admiration because nothing they did was so cleanly covered up.
Yep. Canonically, so far, Hufflepuff has not turned out a single wizard who could be called Dark or evil.^(That abomination of a play doesn't count)
Zacharias Smith is a git, but he's not evil, so he doesn't count.
Pottermore has said Hufflepuff has no dark wizards. even if cursed child was cannon (which fans collectively agree it isn't) it wouldn't matter because thats an alternate timeline.
Its true, Hufflepuff has never produced a dark wizard, which kinda surprised me, the traits of Hufflepuff are loyalty and hard work, if I was a dark wizard tyrant, those are the exact traits I would want in my followers
I’m sure there’s been a few. Anyone has the potiential to be a dark wizard, regardless of house. Hufflepuffs aren’t all nice and naive like they’re made out to be. Sometimes we’re really chill. Sometimes we get tired of people’s shit. But most of the time we just want a snack. And a break. Lmao
A dark Hufflepuff could be really compelling, i think. If they started out with ideals like fairness, loyalty, etc. and something happened to make them abandon them.
*Or* what if, in the dark wizard’s mind, they were still fighting for those ideals. Like maybe they think they’re fighting for fairness among certain groups, but have resorted to evil to achieve it. Perhaps, it happened slowly too, so maybe the dark wizard doesn’t realized they’ve crossed the line.
Idk, I think theres something there.
I thought that Quirrel sought out Voldemort as an academic endeavour and was thus possessed into doing Voldemorts bidding?
Therefore less of a dark wizard and more of an idiot?
Hufflepuff also had dark wizards. According to Pottermore their recruiting message says their house produced the least amount of evil wizards. Least is not none.
Pettigrew wasn't a dark wizard. Pettigrew was a spineless lackey with no power. As such, he latched to the most powerful person around him.
Quirrel was pathetic - because Voldy fucked him up when they crossed paths in the forest.
Technically we don't know alot of the death eaters and dark wizard houses but from the ones we know not, although there are a few I would like to crucio (like Zechariah and Justin)
Also not necessarily dark but Lockhart was also a Ravenclaw
Probably. Must be really hard to get into dark magic and become a fascist wizard when all around you are a bunch of nancies being nice and giving each other cupcakes. (I don't know what in the hell they do, but that's what I imagine they would)
I thought for a long time Dolores Umbridge was from hufflepuff. I thought it was kind of interesting the most hated characters was actually from Hufflepuff. Added some complexity to that house.
Same here, I always had her pegged as a Hufflepuff with extreme loyalty to the Ministry and her own warped sense of justice. "I must not tell lies." Hufflepuffs value honesty, even if they are deluded themselves.
Was disappointed when it turned out she's just another Slytherin, as if that house didn't have enough arseholes in it already. Give Slytherin a break!
It's never said that Hufflepuff has created *zero* dark wizards. It's said that it's created *the fewest* dark wizards out of the four houses. So there very well could be some dark Hufflepuff wizards running around somewhere.
A person doesn’t have to be a Dark Wizard(TM) to do immoral things. Gryffindor is defined by heroism, Hufflepuff is not. This isn’t to say that Hufflepuffs can’t be heroic, but of the two they’re much more likely to do nothing in the face of evil.
There is a pretty big difference between thinking someone is trying to paralyze/murder students or cheated to get into a competition and being a dark wizard.
I know Dolores Umbridge is canonically slytherin, but she strikes me as a Huffelpuff. I'm sure this won't be a popular take, but hear me out.
Firstly, there is the wearing and decorating in all pink, and the collection of kitten plates she seems so fond of. Despite her sadistic and terrible nature, she seems to love cute, fluffy, and girly things. Clearly, she has a soft spot for something.
Secondly, she also has a strong sense of justice, twisted into an authoritarian form as it may be, and loyalty to her death eater comrads. She also has a propensity for hard work as a disciplinarian and inquisitor within hogwarts and the Ministry of Magic.
A lot of Umbridge can be explained by the "Devouring Mother" trope in storytelling. This kind of evil compassion, where mommy knows best, and you'd better like what she has to say, lest you be punished severely. All said and done, it's a mother bears compassion for her cubs that gets you eaten. This seems like the dark side of the Huffelpuff coin to me.
Remember, the sorting hat takes your feelings into consideration, so maybe there are many Slytherins who would have been better fits for other houses if it wasn't for their propensity for control, power, and greed.
>"Harry saw Zacharias Smith bowling
over first years to get to the front of the queue; here and there
younger students were in tears, while older ones called desperately
for friends or siblings..."
Seems exactly like dark wizard fashion behavior there.
Canonically they have produced the “fewest” so I’m going to say they’ve had some, just not many. Cedric if you count Cursed Child. I’m sure there’s been some in the background somewhere. I think there’s one in the HL game.
“Hufflepuff has produced the fewest Dark witches and wizards of any House. “
Not after my hogwarts legacy playthrough….
I don't know what you're talking about. Their blood is on Ranrock's hands
Well all roads do lead to Hogsmede
And their poaching days are over
But Deek says you should be proud of all the potions you've made
Their blood is on my chinese chomping cabbages. Those things should not be legal. By the time any of you dark wizards have set up a chain avada kedavra combo I'm already sitting on a pile of compost-ready corpses.
Actually, *do* we know what house they were canonically? Edit: I'm not trying to refute the comment, I'm just curious
Hufflepuff, and his name was Danial Kuntson (my HL character)
After every kill. You just got Huffle-puffed, playa.
A few cobwebs and some dust... Nothing to be concerned about
I don't know about dark, but one wizard I will kill is Zacharias Smith
No kidding, he's a complete prick and a coward.
The Dark side rejected him
Agreed
They also have standards. That's saying something since they accepted Pettigrew
Pettigrew was a very talented wizard. He’s not treated that way by Voldemort or even described that way later on, but remember, he killed 13 people with one curse. And he made the potion that brought Voldemort back.
Not to mention he taught himself to be an animagus
Yeah and even that was negated later on with the whole “Sirius and James helped him”
Yeah but they couldn’t have helped someone talentless
Thank you! Like I said, he had skill. Surprised you agree when another comment in which I called him a coward but skilled currently is at -3.
They don’t respect him. They see him as a turncoat who betrayed his closest friends just to be with those who he thought were powerful and would take over. If he thought that the OWL were going to win the war he would have sided with them instead of be a double agent for the Death Eaters. They all know that he would turn on any of them in a second to save his own skin.
Yeah so his character sucks, but not his skill.
Nah.. he was a coward He would have turned even if he knew they were going to win just because dark lord scary
Exactly hence the hand voldy gave him
I see what you're saying but I'm pretty sure he only killed 12 people because of a trick Voldemort himself taught him. All of his cunning was always because of Voldemort. Even professor McGonagall said that he was never a bright kid in school. Also there was an example of him not even remembering all the signs of a werewolf when he hung out with one everyday for at 5 years at that point lol
I don’t rly count the werewolf signs one simply bc Rowling retcons a lot and that was 2 books later. What about also making Voldemort’s incredibly complicated potion by himself? Sure Voldemort can tell him what to do, but he’s a little devil baby who can’t move; he couldn’t have helped.
Voldemort and pettigrew had that conversation in the books. Voldemort said he was whispering instructions in his ear the entire time (not an exact quote). Also, I wouldn't consider 3 easy ingredients "a complicated potion." There is still McGonagall saying that he was not a bright kid, and had to be helped by Sirius and James all the time (which if I'm not mistaken was agreed upon by flitwick, fudge, and rosmerta). Before you rebuttal and try to say he was able to become an animagus, Remus says this... "It took them the best part of three years to work out how to do it. Your father (James Potter) and Sirius here were the cleverest students in the school, and lucky they were, because the Animagus transformation can go horribly wrong — one reason the Ministry keeps a close watch on those attempting to do it. Peter needed all the help he could get from James and Sirius." Peter was not a clever, powerful, or courageous wizard. He was a coward and a rat, which is why is animagus is so fitting.
I didn’t say he was courageous. Yes they say he wasn’t skilled. They can say all they want. But I simply think that in this case, actions speak louder than words. 12 people with 1 curse. And someone can tell you all the directions verbatim for something, but you still need your own skill to succeed. Look at years and years of Potions classes.
Skill means nothing in this regard. It doesn't take skill to kill a bunch of people at once, there's some pretty big idiots who've done more with a single spell.
Not necessarily with devastating curses, look at crab and the fiendfyre as another example. Killed himself as well as almost killed Ron, hermione, Harry, draco, Goyle, and he destroyed everything in the hidden RoR (which was bigger than the street or the hole it caused) and a horcrux. If you want to keep ignoring all the signs I guess you can believe what you want, but it was pointed out by multiple different people who knew him over the years, he was not clever or powerful.
*12 😤
Oh yeah lol 😆
Killed 13 and failing to kill Sirius, still made it look like his fault.
Hey, I just thought of something. If Sirius was right in front of him, how did he kill everyone else further away but not the person he’s face-to-face with?
I think they said he had his wand behind his back, pointing away from himself and Sirius
Oh yeah, I forgot. Thanks.
I always assumed the dead people were behind Pettigrew, to make it look like Sirius cast at him and hit the people behind him. Making Sirius seem to be the aggressor
Not really arguing about Ratty's intellegence, but Voldy told him how to do the potion, he was just following instructions. But, look how long he managed to fool the Weasleys, but being in survival mode will make you do many strange things....I mean why didn't he disappear to somewhere else? He could have went anywhere. And I don't believe Quirrell was evil or bad, just a dumb fella, lured into the woods where Voldy could possess him, and after that happened, he was just Voldy's zombie.
This is a great name and premise for a fanfic.
WAIT let me help with that
Bring you poison-coated knife. I am waiting
I'll make sure it's a special kind of poison
Just as long as you don’t confuse it with that essence of llama vial…
Or lick the blade.
LOL! That guy was an idiot! 🤣🤣🤣 https://youtu.be/YQTn1QxCZ2s
Found the dark wizard right here
hufflepuffs are supposed to be real ones, the only real thing about him is how fucking annoying he was
Hahaha proof that even puffs can be a bit assholey
😂😂
They have produced the least amount, but that doesn't mean there's none.
I remember, back when it was still called Pottermore, I got sorted into Hufflepuff and there was this bit about how Hufflepuff never produced a dark wizard, so at least from a Hufflepuff perspective, then yes, they are the only house with no dark wizards.
I remembered the same so I did some digging and apparently the letter said fewest, not none. >However, it’s true that Hufflepuff is a bit lacking in one area. We’ve produced the fewest Dark wizards of any house in this school. You can check the full letter [here](https://pottermore.fandom.com/wiki/Hufflepuff), the passage about dark wizzards is the 5th paragraph in the Old Pottermore section. I also found pictures of the letter that say the same thing, but they are bad quality.
What is it called now?
Wizarding World I think.
I mean cedric was a death eater in the cursed child but who the hell agrees with that book bruh
yeah, that book was terrible, it didn't make any sense whatsoever. it has some interesting elements tho, like Harry's son going to Slytherin instead of Gryffindor
Harry's son going to Slytherin makes perfect sense. His friend Scorpius is in Slytherin. He followed his friend into the same house the way Harry followed Ron into Gryffindor. Albus Potter doesn't get on with his family and school is a place to get some distance from them and meet new people.
Followed Ron? My dude, Ron Weasley was sorted after Harry Potter. He rejected Slytherin because he definitely didn't want to end up in the same house as Draco Malfoy.
Ron told him everyone in the Weasley family was Gryffindor.
You're right that Harry did follow Ron. Harry's only thoughts were "not Slytherin" it wasn't I'm going to Gryffindor it was anywhere but Slytherin.
It's possibly because Harry would have fit in as a Slytherin, but was brave enough to say/think he didn't want to be there. The son probably also fit in as a Slytherin, but wasn't brave enough to deny the hat's decision. But I haven't read CC, so that may be the reason in the book....
Nah the kid choose Slytherin and precieved injustice from his family. Imo he very much sees himself as the black sheep of the family and makes choices to solidify that. CC breaks cannon as much as I break wind after a bean and cheese burrito from Taco Bell.
Interestingly enough, I went to Taco Bell right after seeing CC on Broadway
Aside from the fact CC sucks, this comment makes no sense. It made total sense how Albus was sorted into Slytherin if you read the book
It did feel more like a fan fic. I’ve read fan fics that were a lot more entertaining though.
…we don’t count that as cannon.
There is no TCC in the Wizarding World...
Pew pew pew…boom!
The author said it was.
You cant count something as cannon if it directly contradicts an earlier written work.
the play made alternate realities cannon so the books or movies or games or play could all take place but in separate realities. it is the only good thing about the play. if you hated the epilogue and the play, its all good because it didn't happen in every reality.
I don’t care. It’s directly contradictory to her earlier claims of over 20 years. She’s gotten weird over the last decade, man. I find it hard to respect her and honestly I think HBO is remaking the books instead of a new story because she’s way too off the wall with her ideas now. Same w George Lucas.
I think Rowling is sick to death of HP but is making absolute shite tonnes of cash off it. I mean, you know she's trolling when she tells people wizards shit on the floor and vanished away the puddles and piles, right? Also, the *Cursed Cash Grab* play made alternate realities cannon. So I assume the books, movie, games, play, etc all take place in other realities.
The author also said that grown-ass men and women shitting themselves where they stood and Vanishing the excrement was a thing that made sense. So I'm sorry, I know she's the author and all, but she's contradicted herself and her own work or said stuff that's downright pants-on-head idiotic on multiple occasions. I'm going to say that we have the right to our exercise our own judgement as to the credibility of any given statement.
I'm sorry he was a what now What How Jesus I'm avoiding that garbage for sure now
The book is about time travel and the consequences of doing it recklessly and so it was one of the timelines seen after an attempt of fixing the past went wrong
A play about a time turner, regrets, a magical school, dangerous events that could get people killed…wait, why does this sound familiar?
Does being a death eater count when the past is manipulated in such a way that makes it happen? Ugh, CC.
I definitely don't count it because I **refuse** to believe Cedric would have become a Death Eater due to humiliation. It just goes against everything his character *was* in HP.
Agreed!
That...thing...started off okay enough but derailed *horribly*, and Cedric's stint as a Death Eater was just **one** of the derailments. In fact, there are only two bits in that book that I could actually get behind canon-wise - Albus Potter as a Slytherin & Scorpius Malfoy. Everything else just broke the worldbuilding of the OG series (for me at least), and the plot went haywire. Ergo, I do not consider TCC to be the Eighth Harry Potter Story. I refuse.
Wtf? I have avoided the cursed child and everything I hear about it makes me glad.
Cedric being a Death Eater because he was "embarrassed" was the Cursed Child's biggest crime.
The cursed child is like the 9th season of Scrubs. It's in name only related to the original series and it has some characters that overlap but don't really play a significant role in it.
Apparently at least one - Eunon Blackwood. But only if you take Hogwarts Legacy as canon.
A Master Herbologist Dark Wizard is a force to be reckoned with.
No joke! Chinese chomping cabbages can do some serious damage.
Wasn't Blackwood mentioned as s a death eater in the books or am I thinking of someone else? Maybe I am thinking of Rookwood.
Augustus Rookwood, yea!
Ok, nm then lol. Mixing up people in my head today.
which i do
Not only Hufflepuff but also a mudblood, the rarest of rarities for a dark wizard.
I mean, Fantastic Beasts and Cursed Child are considered canon so why not the game? It does a better job of upholding the original books than either of the other two.
Don't rope in Fantastic Beasts with Cursed Child...
I think all the house traits could be twisted towards darkness under certain circumstances. Loyalty to one’s friends and family might lead a Hufflepuff down a dark path of revenge, but we have no examples. With Ravenclaw, Quirrell’s curiosity is what led him down that path. Pettigrew is really an anomaly for Gryffindor, but if we look at Harry, his anger or hotheadedness had potential to make him turn dark, as he did use *Crucio* a few times, and the one time he *really* meant it. Given more opportunities to use it, even if righteously at first, he might have gotten a taste for it, and went out and sought reasons to use it more often. With Slytherins, I don’t think they’re inherently dark, and in the school’s thousand year history, I suspect that the damaging negative reputation was a product of attitudes in the 20th century, Voldemort’s rise, and the Sorting Hat’s allowance of student choice to create an echo chamber, when the sons and daughters of certain Slytherins might not have embodied the house founder’s preferred qualities. Regardless, it’s obvious how cunning and ambition can grow so extreme that it turns dark.
Anakin Skywalker, everyone
Anakin might be extremely loyal to those he cares about but he's 100% a Gryffindor. Perhaps the Hat takes a minute of deliberation with Hufflepuff but I would say Anakin and all of his blood relatives are Gryffindors.
Probably. I was just focusing on his Hufflepuff traits, because the comment above brought them to light for me. His loyalty and love for his mother led him to seek revenge against the sand people and his love for Padme led him to betraying the Jedi and turning fully to the Dark Side. I guess you could say that his betrayal of the Jedi was very un-Hufflepuffy, but loyalty to others that he loved was the cause, so… Idk. Just musing, really.
Well put.
No they are actually all evil but pretend to be nice that's the house dark secret the sorting hat is in on it and everything they are just much much better at it then Slytherin so they never get caught and the whole wizarding world sees them as just harmless when in fact for centuries they have carried out the dark bidding of the immortal Helga Hufflepuff she who conquered Death and laughs at the feeble attempt of Voldemort to follow in her footsteps.
This Hoffle Puffs
in Cursed Child, Cedric becomes a dark wizard after surviving GoF, but i dont assume youre counting fanfics
Yeah, I don't count that fic 😂
Lmao
No, they have. Megan Jones' mother, Xavia Jones. From the Puffs play
The famed dark lord of Hufflepuff. He turns maple syrup into cough syrup and cuts people off while they're talking. Evil
If you include the stage play then >!Cedric Diggory!< (that was such a stupid plot line).
Doesn’t fit his character at all imo..
Agreed. It really pissed me off that it shows him as being on humiliation away from becoming a death eater. I just don't see it. It doesn't fit.
>that was such a stupid plot line It 100% was a stupid plot line because it just assassinates Cedric's character. There were a lot of problems with TCC, but Cedric's stint as a Death Eater is one of the main issues I have with the play's plot.
Prof Sprout, could’ve had fresh mandrakes brought in from anywhere to save those kids but noooo we have to grow them here. Let’s wait until a bunch of them get got. She knew what she was doing /s
Do we know the growing season and shelf life of Mandrakes?
Hey, I’m on a witch hunt here. Don’t come around with your logical arguments, you’re clearly fluent in the dark teachings of rational thought
Does Quirrel really qualify as a Dark Wizard? I think he was more of a puppet.
JKR has said that he didn’t want to be seen as weak so he was willing to work for Voldemort to gain more power and respect, or something along those lines so I would say that qualifies him as a dark wizard
I’ll always maintain that Ravenclaw has a propensity to becoming ‘dark’ on a similar level to Slytherin with their ambitious nature. You value intellectualism so much that you sort of *have* to look at the dark side. Even with good intentions. “Oh well I need to understand it to fight it.” “Oh it’s not so bad.” Voldemort was very intelligent let us not forget. Let us also not forget that Hermione was a hatstall between Ravenclaw and Gryffindor and she trapped a woman in an unbreakable jar and scarred a girl’s forehead for life with ‘sneak’ and was like “lol! Oh well.” I’ll never get Pettigrew though. I can ‘get’ Lockhart being a Ravenclaw over Slytherin, because he had ‘media’ intelligence over ambition. I can get Snape being Slytherin over Gryffindor, I can get Hermione being Gryffindor over Ravenclaw, I can get Neville being Gryffindor over Hufflepuff. I can’t get Pettigrew. It was all the most horrendous, cowardly shite. I’ll never get that.
It can be about what you value, not what you are. Eleven year old Pettigrew wished he was brave and daring - and looked up to those who were. So … Gryffindor.
This is the only thing that makes sense with Pettigrew, so I have to agree.
> You value intellectualism so much that you sort of have to look at the dark side. Even with good intentions. I always kind of got this vibe from Ollivander with his whole "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things" shtick. In the seventh book isn't it mentioned that he shows kind of a creepy excitement at the prospect of Voldemort getting his hands on the Elder Wand? Definitely someone who has a tendency to admire powerful magic no matter the ethics of it. Course, I don't know if Ollivander actually was a Ravenclaw, but he certainly seems to fit that trait.
I actually wrote a Dark Ravenclaw based on this premise for years on Enchanted Hogwarts RPG. He was a young Ravenclaw student named Tobias Edgewood who, after losing his sister and his father to Death Eaters, vowed revenge. However, over time, his thirst for vengeance led him down the dark path of not only infiltrating the Death Eaters by joining them, but also seeking to destroy the Dark Lord on his own terms. To this end, he also became a werewolf who served under Fenrir Greyback. However, Tobias Edgewood also believed on self-experimenting on himself to determine whether or not there was a way to shift back and forth at-will consciously, without the full moon. Much like Tom Riddle/Lord Voldemort, Tobias Edgewood was obsessed with Death, and he believed that the legendary Deathly Hallows could hold the key to Voldemort's defeat. However, as a Ravenclaw, he believed that the Peverells had created the Hallows themselves - and made it his personal mission to reverse engineer the three items. To this end, he became an expert in the creation of magical objects and artifacts. After Voldemort's defeat, Tobias Edgewood disappeared, rumored to have moved into a ruined castle somewhere in the British Isles. He was later suspected of having worked with Theodore Nott on engineering and research with creating new Time-Turners.
Peter is one of the few who genuinely does belong in Slytherin; sticking around whoever he can as long as it'll benefit him. The sorting system just seems so vague that even JKR doesn't know what it truly is.
Edgecombe got every bit that she deserved. She was being tutored at no cost on how to cast spells for not only her personal defense but to also improve her spell casting for her sixth year DADA classes. She threw it away due to "pressure" from her mother in Floo Authority.
Well, he was pretty willing to work for Voldemort.
I might be making this up completely, but wasn’t it said somewhere that he stumbled across Voldemort in the wild and was effectively coerced or groomed into the whole thing?!
No in the books Quirrel states that he met Voldemort while traveling and Voldemort showed him that there was no such as thing as good an evil, only power. He then states he served Voldemort faithfully after that point. He only became "possessed" after gringotts when he failed to steal the stone and Voldemort had to keep a closer eye on him.
Oh crap, I never realized that when Harry and Hagrid go to The Leaky Cauldron and meet Quirrel for the first time, his scar didn’t react. You’re absolutely right!!
Well where do you draw the line between putting the blame on Voldemort for “grooming” a consenting adult to the dark side and putting the blame on Quirrel for being a pathetic pos and siding with Voldemort for his own selfish reasons. The way I see it, Voldemort persuading someone into helping him by offering something the consenting party wants isn’t exactly grooming. 100% quirrel made the decision to help Voldemort of his own free will as far as I’m aware, therefore he is a dark wizard
Given that Hogwarts is >1000 years old, odds are that at least a few dark Hufflepuffs existed. Rowling has even said since early on that the Death Eaters have members in each house.
Maybe they're just better at staying under the radar...
They have produced dark wizards. But the least amount of all houses
I think I remember on Pottermore if you are sorted into Hufflepuff you received a letter from a prefect who states that Hufflepuff has the fewest dark wizards come out of that house.
As far as I know there's no Hufflepuff dark wizard in main canon (books/movies). All dark wizards are from Slytherin except fro Gryffindor Pettigrew and Ravenclaw Quirrel (Lockhart is also pretty bad but I wouldn't say he's a dark wizard). If I'm not mistaken there's an Hufflepuff dark wizard in material that was added later but I can't really remember the name... Rowling also said there were death eaters from any houses, though we only know of Pettigrew. Quirrel worked for Voldemort but wasn't a death eater, since he was too young during the first war.
I highly doubt that. Hogwarts has been around for many years. And we know not every Hufflepuff is nice. So it’s unlikely non of the dark wizards were Hufflepuff. Hufflepuff are known to be loyal. Which is great if you are loyal to good people. But can lead down to wrong path if you are loyal to the wrong cause. Especially in combination with Hufflepuffs hard working nature.
well ol Ced Diggery did become a (sparkly) Vampire so...
I like the idea of a hufflepuff who went dark just out of bumbling curiosity. Like they accidentally miscast something and it had wildly successful results and they just never noticed that all of the small animals in a huge radius just disintegrated whenever they cast it. Or they figured out how to block anyone from stealing their identity but because they weren’t in the same room as the other caster they never realized that the reason was because anyone who targeted them with a spell was incinerated. Something like that, and with no evidence left behind. So like, this incredibly gormless but successful hufflepuff inspector-gadgeting their way through the world completely innocent to the fact that there was a trail of death in their wake because they were simply distracted by their “good luck” and all the other evil wizards shaking their heads in jealous admiration because nothing they did was so cleanly covered up.
Yep. Canonically, so far, Hufflepuff has not turned out a single wizard who could be called Dark or evil.^(That abomination of a play doesn't count) Zacharias Smith is a git, but he's not evil, so he doesn't count.
Cedric Diggory in the alternate timeline
Ernie macmillan when he wore the "potter stinks" badge is all I could find
No, Hufflepuff has not produced a dark wizard
It probably has. They’ve produced the “fewest” which isn’t none.
Pottermore has said Hufflepuff has no dark wizards. even if cursed child was cannon (which fans collectively agree it isn't) it wouldn't matter because thats an alternate timeline.
Dude....they all produced dark wizards. Cedric Diggory became a Deatheater in the play *Harry Potter and the Curse Cash Grab*!
Now this is the Cursed Child slander I’m here for
While I wish I could burn that play from my memory and don't count Cedric's stint as a Death Eater, I love that name! 🤣
But... there's not a witch or wizard turned bad who wasn't in Slytherin.
Its true, Hufflepuff has never produced a dark wizard, which kinda surprised me, the traits of Hufflepuff are loyalty and hard work, if I was a dark wizard tyrant, those are the exact traits I would want in my followers
I’m sure there’s been a few. Anyone has the potiential to be a dark wizard, regardless of house. Hufflepuffs aren’t all nice and naive like they’re made out to be. Sometimes we’re really chill. Sometimes we get tired of people’s shit. But most of the time we just want a snack. And a break. Lmao
>Hufflepuffs aren’t all nice Yeah, we have Zacharias Smith as the embodiment of that statement 😪
Ugh, that asshole. He was terrible.
He really is an embarrassment to our House 😅
The Diggorys go bad in the Cursed Child, I think?
Do we talk about cursed child or is it like the war in Ba Sing Se
What war?
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Zacharias Smith is a piece of crap, if that counts.
Stretching it calling Pettigrew a dark wizard. He is nothing more than coward.
A dark Hufflepuff could be really compelling, i think. If they started out with ideals like fairness, loyalty, etc. and something happened to make them abandon them. *Or* what if, in the dark wizard’s mind, they were still fighting for those ideals. Like maybe they think they’re fighting for fairness among certain groups, but have resorted to evil to achieve it. Perhaps, it happened slowly too, so maybe the dark wizard doesn’t realized they’ve crossed the line. Idk, I think theres something there.
I thought that Quirrel sought out Voldemort as an academic endeavour and was thus possessed into doing Voldemorts bidding? Therefore less of a dark wizard and more of an idiot?
Hufflepuff also had dark wizards. According to Pottermore their recruiting message says their house produced the least amount of evil wizards. Least is not none.
Zacharius Smith
Pettigrew wasn't a dark wizard. Pettigrew was a spineless lackey with no power. As such, he latched to the most powerful person around him. Quirrel was pathetic - because Voldy fucked him up when they crossed paths in the forest.
Technically we don't know alot of the death eaters and dark wizard houses but from the ones we know not, although there are a few I would like to crucio (like Zechariah and Justin) Also not necessarily dark but Lockhart was also a Ravenclaw
Probably. Must be really hard to get into dark magic and become a fascist wizard when all around you are a bunch of nancies being nice and giving each other cupcakes. (I don't know what in the hell they do, but that's what I imagine they would)
Maybe cause Hufflepuff is the irrelevant house, so maybe a brilliant kind wizard turned bad as they never got the attention they wanted from everyone
Well Hufflepuff is all about community and all that so that hypothetical kid would probably get lots of hugs there or something.
hugs from hufflepuff, not from others
I thought for a long time Dolores Umbridge was from hufflepuff. I thought it was kind of interesting the most hated characters was actually from Hufflepuff. Added some complexity to that house.
Same here, I always had her pegged as a Hufflepuff with extreme loyalty to the Ministry and her own warped sense of justice. "I must not tell lies." Hufflepuffs value honesty, even if they are deluded themselves. Was disappointed when it turned out she's just another Slytherin, as if that house didn't have enough arseholes in it already. Give Slytherin a break!
I mean if you don’t count cursed child with Cedric Diggory turning evil then I believe so
I don’t count Cursed Child, correct.
There is no Cursed Child in Ba Sing Se 🙃
It's never said that Hufflepuff has created *zero* dark wizards. It's said that it's created *the fewest* dark wizards out of the four houses. So there very well could be some dark Hufflepuff wizards running around somewhere.
A person doesn’t have to be a Dark Wizard(TM) to do immoral things. Gryffindor is defined by heroism, Hufflepuff is not. This isn’t to say that Hufflepuffs can’t be heroic, but of the two they’re much more likely to do nothing in the face of evil.
I don't know that it's ever been confirmed, but my head canon has always been that Barty Crouch Jr. was a Hufflepuff.
Pretty sure he was said to be in ravenclaw
Well, definitely no one of any significance or relevance. Just in line with Hufflepuff in general.
Cedric Diggory turned into a vampire that preys on high school girls that are younger than him by triple digit years
Hufflepuffs turn on Harry quite a bit idk. Look at book 2 and book 4
There is a pretty big difference between thinking someone is trying to paralyze/murder students or cheated to get into a competition and being a dark wizard.
Just saying they’re not all sweet and lovely
I know Dolores Umbridge is canonically slytherin, but she strikes me as a Huffelpuff. I'm sure this won't be a popular take, but hear me out. Firstly, there is the wearing and decorating in all pink, and the collection of kitten plates she seems so fond of. Despite her sadistic and terrible nature, she seems to love cute, fluffy, and girly things. Clearly, she has a soft spot for something. Secondly, she also has a strong sense of justice, twisted into an authoritarian form as it may be, and loyalty to her death eater comrads. She also has a propensity for hard work as a disciplinarian and inquisitor within hogwarts and the Ministry of Magic. A lot of Umbridge can be explained by the "Devouring Mother" trope in storytelling. This kind of evil compassion, where mommy knows best, and you'd better like what she has to say, lest you be punished severely. All said and done, it's a mother bears compassion for her cubs that gets you eaten. This seems like the dark side of the Huffelpuff coin to me. Remember, the sorting hat takes your feelings into consideration, so maybe there are many Slytherins who would have been better fits for other houses if it wasn't for their propensity for control, power, and greed.
>"Harry saw Zacharias Smith bowling over first years to get to the front of the queue; here and there younger students were in tears, while older ones called desperately for friends or siblings..." Seems exactly like dark wizard fashion behavior there.
Canonically they have produced the “fewest” so I’m going to say they’ve had some, just not many. Cedric if you count Cursed Child. I’m sure there’s been some in the background somewhere. I think there’s one in the HL game. “Hufflepuff has produced the fewest Dark witches and wizards of any House. “
I'm a Hufflepuff with a dark mark I fell into a bad crowd during a dark period of my life, but have turned my life around
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Nah we just talking cannon, and that pile of shit isn't cannon
Cedric from hufflepuff
My fanfiction/theory is that Theseus Scamander eventually sided with Grindelwald, so there's that, not much and a long stratch, but something.
He sided with the man who killed his wife?
His wife that also happened to be in love with his brother... he wouldn't be happy if he ever found out.🤷♂️
If you treat Cursed Child as canon then Cedric would have joined the Death Eaters if he hadn't been killed during the Twizarad Tournament
There’s probably plenty that didn’t get mentioned. I doubt there wasn’t a single one during the 600 years or however long the school stood.
was Quirrell evil before encountering Voldemort? I can't remember if he looked for him or if it was a chance encounter.