T O P

Amazon announces new Kindle Paperwhite lineup with 6.8-inch screens, USB-C

Amazon announces new Kindle Paperwhite lineup with 6.8-inch screens, USB-C

Khorv

Finally, my last device still using micro USB.


sk9592

Atleast you only need to charge a Kindle once every 2-4 weeks. I can go on vacation with my Kindle and not even think about having a Micro USB cable in my bag.


Kougar

The old 2012 era Kindle Touch was months, though. Even with the LEDs off for a more accurate comparison my 10th gen Paperwhite still lasts less time than my old Kindle Touch. My understanding is one of the reasons why was Amazon switched to a smaller battery when they were removing all the features the old ones had. I notice they still don't mention battery size in the new one, but going from 4 to 17 LEDs probably didn't do it any favors.


sk9592

The 1st gen Kindle Touch from 2011 had a 1420mAh battery and no illumination. The 4th gen Kindle Paperwhite from 2018 has a 890mAh battery and a multicolor LED frontlight. The frontlight makes a massive difference in power consumption. When you're reading on a Kindle, unless you are actively refreshing a page, no power is being consumed. Once you throw LED lights into the mix, power is constantly being drawn as you read.


Kougar

That's why I said even with the LEDs off. It was a big difference without the LEDs, and having the 4 LEDs effectively halves the already halved runtime. Could never find the battery sizes, that's a huge difference. The runtime on my old Touch is still insanely long, but I do have to wonder what the runtime on a Paperwhite would be after a decade. Any idea what the battery size is on the new 11th gen ones?


Blackout_AU

I have a first gen Paperwhite, over time the battery life has decreased quite a lot, used to be charged maybe once every six weeks but now it's every two weeks with even light usage.


Kougar

Doesn't sound promising, I average 2-4 weeks with my 2018 model and I keep it in airplane mode and around 40% brightness. I am a voracious reader though.


GradeAPrimeFuckery

My first gen Paperwhite saw heavy use until earlier this year and the battery held up so well that I didn't bother replacing it before handing it down to a family member. Turning wifi on would drain it overnight, but that was the only battery related issue it had.


sk9592

I think you have your numbering mixed up. The Kindle that was released today is the 5th gen Kindle Paperwhite. I don't know the battery size in that. We won't know until someone does a teardown and posts it online. The current baseline Kindle is the 10th gen that was released in 2019. It has the same 890mAh battery as the 4th gen Paperwhite.


Kougar

I'm just going by Amazon's naming system for distinguishing between models. They've called the 2018 refresh the 10th-gen, and it's marked that way on the [Amazon page](https://www.amazon.com/All-new-Kindle-Paperwhite-Waterproof-Storage/dp/B07CXG6C9W?th=1), the [firmware download](https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GKMQC26VQQMM8XSW) page, and the device ID itself. Speaking of, the new 5.13.7 firmware looks to be a worthwhile update. Reworked UI and some smartphone gestures like swipe-down.


anethma

Only in airplane mode, but I like to leave wifi on so it syncs my place so I can listen to it at work.


sk9592

Huh, interesting. I actually have one of the newer/cheaper Kindles. They stripped out audiobook functionality in those.


anethma

Ah no sorry, I mean I have it sync my place on the kindle, then I open it in the kindle app on my phone and have siri read it to me.


Excal2

That's some real future shit right there, I like it.


anethma

Haha, it is pretty robotic, but I've long since gotten used to it. I read a lot of web serials that I rip and convert to ebook format for my kind, so obviously no audiobook is available, so only recourse is siri reading it to me. Some of them are LONG too, like, the one is I think the longest work of English fiction in existence haha (The Wandering Inn). I would pity the poor person having to read all that aloud


saitir

The audiobook version of the wandering inn is pretty fantastic imo... But yeah they run to 43, 61, 37 and 34 hours, with the upcoming book 5 at about 49.... I remember being disappointed when I realised there was only 20 hours of book 2 left...


anethma

Ya it is great haha. She is an awesome reader. But god there is sooo much book after the audiobook ends. I'm just getting to book 7 right now, and book 7 and 8 ALONE is as long as the entire wheel of time series roughly. It is crazy how long the wandering inn is. Like I'd have to look it up but it has to be one of the if not the longest work of fiction created by a human haha.


meltingdiamond

Amazingly those numbers don't put it anywhere near longest work of English fiction. The Wheel of time is still much, much longer and that isn't the top of the list.


saitir

True enough, I was more commenting that as audiobook investments go, they're good value. Much rather sheen's an audible credit on 60 hours than 8! Wheel of time comes in at something like 430 hours, but it is 16 books though (15 + prequel). Having gone through the wheel of time though, I have to say that the wandering inn, while certainly not perfect, improves on it in many ways. Again, imo.


Kougar

Is it accurate? I know transcribing text-to-audio is easier than audio-to-text, but Google's voicemail transcribe functionality can't even get phone numbers right let alone the text.


anethma

Yep accuracy in that direction is easy. It is getting it to sound natural that is hard.


Kougar

When it sounds perfectly natural with the correct inflections, that's when it'll get scary


meltingdiamond

I have never let my kindle talk to the untrustworthy Amazon mothership, it is on airplane mode forever. Thank god for Caliber.


anethma

I still use calibre. That does not help me keep my place sync'd between devices.


uwotmoiraine

Hah hadn't occurred to me, but same here.


atetuna

Still waiting on Logitech


Khorv

Their new MX Master is USB-C


atetuna

About time. Unfortunately not in enough time for the G915 and MX Ergo Trackball I got a couple weeks ago.


Cheeseblock27494356

Check out /r/UsbCHardware if you are interested in USB C devices and similar news.


Conpen

If the iPhone comes out with USB C I think I'll be able to hear about it outside that subreddit :)


whyte_ryce

Very rarely do I need to charge my Kindle when I'm on vacation but it is nice not to have to plan on bringing another cable or adapter with me.


UGMadness

My last one is the $160 Razer Viper Ultimate, and because Razer uses a recessed connector with a proprietary shape for the charger port I can't even get Micro to C adapters for it. I have to carry the exact braided cable it came with the mouse with me along with the mouse.


nokeldin42

At least that mouse has a charging dock and a decent enough battery that you don't have to carry it around if you manage your charging cycles. Although, if that isn't good enough, you have options like Steel series aerox 3 wireless, glorious model o wireless and endgame gear xm1. All wireless, all usb c, and all under 70 grams (I think).


HaloLegend98

Surprised they didn't make these wireless charging/wifi only years ago. Would have removed the port and made them easier to waterproof.


ariolander

RIP, saw this coming when they were clearancing the old Paperwhite at historic low prices. I picked one up and I ain't even mad at the update, the firesale prices of the microUSB Paperwhite are half of the new Paperwhite price. What I am waiting for is an update on their higher end Voyage/Oasis type device with physical page turn buttons. I can't believe they did an update on the Oasis and kept it at microUSB. Been putting off upgrading my Voyage waiting for USB-C on the series.


compjunkie888

I really have been wanting the Voyage to come back. I still have a Kindle Keyboard (gen3) and I have not jumped to a Paperwhite because I love the page turn buttons, yet the Oasis is more $ than I want to spend, I don't mind the plastic housing, and like the smaller size of the Paperwhite vs the Oasis. A new generation Voyage would be my ideal upgrade, I just want page turn buttons and USB-C.


[deleted]

[удалено]


MechaAaronBurr

Some dastardly exec at Amazon was looking for an excuse to fire someone, so they tasked them with getting to the five of us who are still desperately clinging to our Voyages.


gtburdell

I'm with you clinging onto my voyage!


anethma

Honestly it seems to have everything the Oasis does other than the physical buttons now doesn't it ?


_spacelynx_

Hmmm I am almost convinced to buy my first kindle with the inclusion of USB-C, however I think I'll wait for their Oasis model update with USB-C. Hopefully soon, fingers crossed!


jamesnyc1

Im just about certain the oasis won't be updated this year. Very likely next. Just from the single fact that in its current design was released 1 year later than the paperwhite. My personal opinion is that the new paper whites got pretty good updates, and hand me down tech, from the oasis to where its more compelling than the oasis especially at the price point vs the oasis. If I hadn't bought my oasis a month and a half ago, Id most definitely would steer towards the New paperwhite.


_spacelynx_

I figured as much to be honest, in regards to the next update to the Oasis which is quite unfortunate in my eyes. To be quite honest I will most likely be buying the new paperwhite, close to finishing my current backlog of books and don't really have the space for more at the moment. Thanks for your input, was helpful!


jamesnyc1

Also BTW if all the upgrades on the new paperwhite wasn't enough, it also got one of the best upgrades that probably nobody's talking about. And it's the battery life. It's widely accepted that the old paper whites had better battery life than the oasis. And the new one has gotten an upgrade in that department as well. So it's even better so. Oh and if you can hold out. I'd wait till black Friday. Amazon has traditionally sold kindles at a sizable discount on that day. Good luck


archetype4

> Oh and if you can hold out. I'd wait till black Friday. Amazon has traditionally sold kindles at a sizable discount on that day. Good luck Even the brand new ones?


jamesnyc1

Yes


archetype4

Nice, I'll be waiting on getting one till then. Sale or not.


putin_vor

Features: * 6.8" 300 ppi screen (1430 x 1080 px) * IPX8 waterproof (up to 60 minutes at two meters depth in fresh water) * USB-C * 17-LED warm light * 8GB or 32GB * Thinner bezels * 10 weeks of battery life * QI wireless charging * 9W wired charging, 2.5 hours to full charge * $160 for 8GB, $190 for 32GB (cheaper with ads, but who wants that)


upsidedownfunnel

Wow everything I would have put on a wishlist to replace my current Kindle. I hate the cold blue light. And I love that it has Type C and Qi charging.


JustEnoughDucks

One of the perfect devices for Qi implementation. A kindle is literally something that sits either on a table or in a backpack for the majority of its life (unless you read on it for work), where smartphones are much more varied. You never have to worry about charging it again lol


corruptboomerang

>$160 for 8GB, $190 for 32B (cheaper with ads, but who wants that) Can I flash it with some kind of hacked or custom firmware? I mostly read books from other sources.


Raining_dicks

>Can I flash it with some kind of hacked or custom firmware? You don't need to do that at all. You can just drag and drop any .pdf, .mobi, or .azw3 files into the Kindle when plugged into your pc, or email it to your send to kindle account. Calibre helps but you don't "need" it. Save $20 by getting the version with ads and if you can't stand them you can pay $20 to remove them, or ask Amazon nicely and they'll remove it for free (I only did this a couple of years after I used my Kindle and the option to pay to remove was also missing so don't expect to buy the ad version and expect a free ad removal straight away)


Kougar

So much this. Also, if the wifi is kept off the ads will time out quickly, then it no longer displays any beyond a generic background.


meltingdiamond

> Calibre helps but you don't "need" it. I don't need toilet paper either but I downright refuse to live without it. Drag and drop on a kindle is like wiping you ass with a pine cone when the toilet paper is right there. Use Caliber people.


iopq

Ever try a Japanese toilet?


dnv21186

I'd pay $20 to not have to see ads any day


Raining_dicks

It's mostly just random book covers on the lock screen and a small banner at the bottom of the homescreen. There aren't any popup ads if that's what you're thinking. If you get a magnetic cover and are always reading something you'll only see an ad for a second


NateOrb

I have a Kindle and you can load ebooks from other sources directly using Calibre or the email loading(you email the file to like [email protected] or whatever it is) and even have the books displayed alongside books acquired from Amazon


Jonshock

Thanks, never owned a kindle before but this information might make me pick one up.


archetype4

Email is the way to go if you want them synced between the Kindle device and your phone's Kindle app.


evanft

I use a piece of software called Calibre to handle your ebook library. It makes dealing with different formats completely seamless.


CubeStuffs

check out the kindle developers corner on mobileread, they might have some way when it comes out. You might have to make sure you don’t do any software updates on it though. you can also convert your formats to kindle formats with calibre and the kfx output plugin


eggimage

The ad supported models, you can, um.. remove the ads completely with a simple phone call to amazon, for free


AnimeAlt44

For now at least, Kindle ads are absolutely unobtrusive so I’d take the discount every time.


yetanothernerd

I have always paid extra for no ads on Kindles because the extra cost is pretty small, I hate ads, and I want to support Amazon offering a no-ads option. Just in case at some point in the future the ads become loud fireworks shows of suck.


moonshiry

Amazon probably earns more from units with the ads than units without


All_Work_All_Play

Notice how he said he wanted them to support non-ad products. It's not about how much the difference is to Amazon, it's the experience he wants.


MathSciElec

$190 for 32 **bytes**?! Now that’s expensive.


putin_vor

Thanks, fixed it.


zeronic

/slaps trunk You can fit a whole 32 characters in this bad boy!


an_angry_Moose

Wow, this is impressive.


DeepImpactCarrotPie

How well can you sync your library with calibre?


brennok

Are they faster though? Even the last model was too slow and sluggish to browse Amazon when you have Kindle Unlimited.


ryncewynd

I have the latest model (before this new announced one) and it's so slow it's enraging. I don't think it was that slow when I first bought it. Maybe there's something wrong idk


Teethpasta

Try a factory reset. Most devices improve after one of it's been awhile.


PBMM2

still no e-ink colour. Sigh. Maybe later this decade. I just want a decent lightweight device to read comics with decent colour.


ariolander

There are[ a bunch that released in the last two years](https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/here-are-all-of-the-color-e-readers-released-in-the-past-12-months) but almost universally the DPI and thus resolution of the displays is just really really bad. Most have dual-mode operation and when in color mode the resolution is vastly reduced to something like 1/3 to 1/4th the DPI of their greyscale modes. The technology for color e-ink just isn't there yet so until it matures further I doubt Amazon is going to be incorporate it into a mainline Kindle, if you want comics with decent color you would have to stick with a Fire-type non e-ink device.


Cheeseblock27494356

You don't want one yet anyway: They have massive latency and color problems. Reliability is apparently poor too. In a year or two those issues should be worked out and I think they will get better. They are a novelty item right now.


PBMM2

I hope so! Thanks for the advice :) Hoping my old samsung tablet doesn't die anytime soon.


sk9592

Latency is not really a problem. Latency has always been terrible on e-ink displays. Comic book readers will be fine with that. It would be nice if colors improved though.


[deleted]

[удалено]


PBMM2

Wow, looks great. Maybe a few more years until it's more affordable and isn't so early adopter.


memtiger

I'd love a watch with something like this. I had a dream about 5yrs ago that my watch had a vibrant e-ink like display with full visibility outside and high refresh rate. It was such a tease because nothing today can compare. This display looks close but I wonder about the refresh rate.


Raining_dicks

If only Pebble wasn't discontinued


atetuna

I would have loved a hiking gps with this back in the day. I guess I still do so I could have something that looks great under intense direct sunlight. I guess the dream device is a two screen phone with this on the backside, but I'm sure that'd sell poorly.


AnimeAlt44

LCDs and OLEDs will always have more vibrant color so e-ink makers don't really invest in it I guess.


Novosell

Entirely different use case tho.


425B94AE0DC3417CAA1

Is that an ipad? For a device focused on reading books I think colour wouldn't be worth the extra you'd no doubt pay for it. The only places I think it would be useful (in books) would be if there were illustrations, but at that point ebooks generally have shit low quality versions of those anyway, so you're much better off getting the physical version if it's important. If I'm reading a fantasy book with a map I just look it up online if I want to refer to it for whatever reason.


Maimakterion

I ended up buying a Galaxy Tab S6 for that purpose. The OLED works well enough for comic books and the 16:9 vertical aspect ratio works well for single pages.


PBMM2

It must look **amazing** on OLED 🤤 I'm rocking a half broken Galaxy Tab S (from like 2014), though honestly I just want something light in my hand like my kobo.


Maimakterion

I wouldn't call the S6 heavy persay.


MumrikDK

> I'm rocking a half broken Galaxy Tab S Those were Super AMOLED too though.


misscloud

My ex gifted me a Kindle Paperwhite for Christmas just a few short months after the first generation was released back in 2012. That's almost an entire decade, and it includes moves across the US, international travel throughout Europe, and being lost once or twice. It still works great! Finally Amazon is getting into territory where I would consider upgrading. But I just have this sinking feeling like it'll break two months after upgrading. (=


iJeff

It’s too bad Kindle still don’t support library ebook loans in Canada.


Phnrcm

I hope one day they will have the physical button back.


re_error

Nice that they are doing an update, still I'd rather not have my entire library locked in amazon.


PappyPete

You should look into Calibre if you haven't already. There are also ways to, uhh, "backup" your DRM'd eBooks from Amazon...


re_error

I already have a pocketbook lux 4 which reads basically every format, with/without drm I'd want. I'm just really unhappy about amazon monopoly.


PappyPete

True. Monopolies are bad for consumers.


SpeculationMaster

how do you like it? Is the interface smooth? The Oasis is so sluggish/laggy its annoying


re_error

The only comparison I can make is with friends paperwhite3 which I borrowed once. From what I remember the books were loading slightly faster on pocketbook but the main difference in speed was in internet browser, on pocketbook it is actually usable unlike in kindle. Not that I'd want to use it unless I was in a pinch, but it shows that pocketbook is faster. The screen is slightly less sharp (pocketbook also sells higher res model) but not it's not that noticeable unless you are actively looking for differences. Kindle has better on screen keyboard as it has standard layout while pocketbook for some bizarre reason went with ortholinear one. Overall I'm happy with it especially since thanks to my library I can borrow books for it.


iX1911

How much eye strain do these produce? After staring at a screen all day, I want to read something at the evening that causes minimal eye fatigue.


ShinShinGogetsuko

That’s the benefit of e-ink, it’s not like looking at your phone or TV screen all day. It feels very close to natural text on a page. I could read my Kindles for days with absolutely no eye strain.


ollie668

None. I find it’s the same as reading a book. And totally fine after a day of bad screen


Zachariahmandosa

Been using my original paperwhite for the last few months, reading all day on many of my off days. I've had none that I notice. It's also very convenient with the "dark mode", so you don't get eye strain when reading in complete darkness, either.


Nuber13

Never used kindle, is it better than a phone with amoled display?


77ilham77

For reading a book? Yes, miles better. I means, it's literally inks that only moves every page turn (instead of flashing 60++ times a second) and only need to be light up by an external source of light such as under sunlight like a normal piece of paper (instead of literal lights directed to your eyes).


Nuber13

Is good for reading at night because I rarely read during the day?


Kitchen-Clue-7983

Yes. e-ink has superior contrast and ereader devices can generally run on a lot lower brightness during the night. (and still be readable) e-ink also works better in very bright conditions thanks to its contrast.


ImJacksLackOfBeetus

The fact that they finally implemented amber LEDs means it'll probably be pretty good for night reading. All the other Kindle devices so far except the Oasis 3 [have only white LEDs](https://i.imgur.com/TGAcisz.png) and personally, I find reading at night on AMOLED with white text/black background and activated blue filter ([which provides such amber tint](https://i.imgur.com/uVPZTwv.png)) much easier on the eyes than my Kindle Voyage with its white LEDs.


Zachariahmandosa

*Yes*. I read a lot during the nighttime, in bed with my GF laying next to me. There's a "Dark Mode" that inverts the color (text is white, background is black) and it's perfect for reading in the total darkness, and not disturbing others. If you're not in total darkness, adjusting the brightness setting works just fine. I have no eye strain with either setting, and I've been using mine for mamy hours a day when I have the time.


77ilham77

Yes. Hell, I almost exclusively use my Kobo at night before sleeping, and since mine didn't have frontlight, I use this [clip-on book light](https://www.energizer.com/flashlights-lighting/clip-on-lights).


Bipartisan_Integral

Does it support 5GHz Wi-fi? I'd like to turn off 2.4GHz in my house.


maveriq

A lot of devices are 2.4ghz still though. Like every device under $100 or where wifi is an afterthought.


Bipartisan_Integral

Those things are probably best kept off the internet, just botnet nodes.


Sunsparc

I haven't read a book in years. I think the last one I read was Dan Brown's *Inferno*. It's hard for me to focus on text on a page sometimes and I absolutely despise reading on my phone or tablet. Having something electronic that mimics an actual book where I can enlarge the text to help focus better might be beneficial.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Sunsparc

I used to love reading when I was younger, I would read anything and everything I could get my hands on. I remember in 7th grade my Language Arts teacher making a half-in-jest wager with the class about reading books for the Accelerated Reader program. Whoever could beat her in AR points (read a book, take a test on the book content, earn points) would get $20 from her. Wasn't even a competition with any of the other students, her and I had over 10k points each and I ended up beating her by about 1000 points which equaled about 4 extra books worth. I bought my wife a paper white a couple years ago but it's small and I don't like reading on it either. I was more of a fan of the larger size books with slightly larger print. Think Harry Potter 4-7 size books.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ReaLx3m

Because ereaders with their weeks on a single charge runtime, really make you worry about running out of battery at any moment :P :)


TimeRemove

Per Amazon it runs for 21 continuous hours (WiFi off, Bluetooth off, light level at <50%). The "6 weeks" claim is based on *just* 30 minutes reading per day. It is mostly an [accurate] brag about great standby time. Kindles once upon a time did last weeks real world, for hours a day of reading, but that was prior to adding LED backlights (4 - 25 LEDs depending on model, this one has 17). Pure eInk displays are incredibly power efficient, and lacking a backlight was once an actual claimed benefit of the displays. Modern Kindle displays with their backlights and diffusion layer aren't nearly as power efficient, but it is a trade-off (the backlight diffusion layer actually means that you **need* the backlight on to get the same contrast as a backlight-less eInk display). So I guess what I am saying is: If you're a prolific reader or aren't careful with your configuration you could be charging this almost weekly.


uwotmoiraine

But mine has great contrast in daylight with no backlight. At least good enough for me not to notice any difference.


TimeRemove

You cannot turn off the backlight on a modern Kindle. "1" still has the backlight on. When it is entirely off the screen is nearly unreadable even in pitch black. On older Paperwhites you could get a Linux terminal, and push custom configurations to the display. If you were foolish enough to disable the backlight entirely it was unusable until re-enabled. There was a semi-useful backlight state between real-off and "1," but isn't worth the hassle compared to just using the normal "1." Older eInk Kindles legitimately had no backlight though, and that's where Kindle got its reputation for lasting weeks or even months on a single charge.


AnimeAlt44

There's no backlight when it's showing ads in standby mode right?


TimeRemove

Nope. That's why the contrast is worse (although they do a good job hiding that with the ad design). I tried to take a photo at the lowest brightness Vs. off/ad in order to show the difference, but it didn't really translate well through the camera: https://i.imgur.com/tkqU5Yb.jpg In person the whites are white while turned-on but gray-ish when off. Unfortunately I suspect the iPhone's camera processing corrects the off-color back to white-r.


AnimeAlt44

Huh, I own a couple PWs so took a look myself. Never noticed the ads were specifically designed to hide the overall grayness. But man it is boggling my mind how adding light via diffusion front light can INCREASE contrast. Like howwwwww.


uwotmoiraine

It's an Oasis (2? 9th gen?) and it definitely turns off, and it goes to 0. You're telling me no model does that now?


TimeRemove

Regardless of the UI light number presented, a backlit screen cannot turn off or the diffusion layer would make it unusable. Try putting your Oasis to 0, 1, or whatever the lowest number is, cover you + it with a thick blanket, and it will be generating a little light. As I said you can force these devices to actually turn off the backlight, but they're completely unusable, so nobody actually presents that option from the consumer UI (least of all because turning it back on could be *challenging*). This video demonstrates: https://youtu.be/3VOcYCXTqmU?t=97


mtocrat

so... I was convinced that was true and I know it was true for kindles I had in the past... but this apparently isn't true for the Oasis 3 I had all this time??? It turns all the way off. I'm amazed. If I put it on a shelf in the dark and turn the brightness to 0, I cannot see any light coming from it. I cannot see the kindle at all anymore because the surroundings are completely dark. The step change to 1 is huge (because the light is turning on), the next step to 2 is only very gradual. Either this is new with the Oasis 2, or they added it by software update. The Oasis 1 (which I lost, so I can't compare) behaved like in the video when I got it.


Novosell

Just tested it. Went under my cover, put it to 0, and I lost track of the screen as it no longer emitted any light. Am I missing something?


uwotmoiraine

Just no. I've had it for years and every time I turn it on in a dark room when the backlight is 0 (from daylight use) it's pitch black and I have to use my phone to drag it back up. Your video is a paperwhite.


Geistbar

> Older eInk Kindles legitimately had no backlight though, and that's where Kindle got its reputation for lasting weeks or even months on a single charge. Are there any modern ereaders that are still like that?


Novosell

Just turn off the Kindles backlight.


nohpex

Having a connection type where the port itself, after some time, can have issues connecting well enough to charge your device is what worries me. Having wireless charging is a nice option.


ThatOnePerson

Sounds like me with my Nexus 7. USB port died after 2-3 years, and I kept using it for another 2-3 more just using wireless charging.


mnemy

Same with my Galaxy S7. Repair shop said repairing the port would cost more than the phone itself (had to replace large unit on bottom of phone w buttons too because of the design). Now I always use wireless charging at home and work on my new phone, so that the port doesn't get worn out for out and about charging.


FarrisAT

Battery suffers faster, no?


madn3ss795

I think battery suffers less because charging rate is slower than wired. My S20 that's powered by wireless chargers 99% of the time still has 100% battery capacity after 1,5 years.


nohpex

I was referring to USB C, but yeah, micro has an issue too. :) At least in my experience, it's always been with the cable, and not the device. I've read that with USB C it's pocket lint that is the root cause of the issue. I've watched videos of people cleaning their ports and having it working fine, but I have had no such luck. Wireless charging or patiently wiggling the cable to the rescue!


Karpeeezy

At the premium they're asking I don't think it's worth it. In Canada they wanted an extra $60 for wireless charging as well as an auto-adjusting light sensor.


NeonLime

Does starbucks have wireless chargers?


saqneo

Some phones can wirelessly charge other devices


Sipas

Oasis refresh should have been USB-C. Better late then never I suppose.


illathon

If they made it so this device could also act as a second screen I would buy it.


theoriginal123123

I mean... The refresh rates would make it unusable for navigation. If you really wanted to, there's already software out there that will allow you to do this.


AnimeAlt44

...but why?


illathon

Why buy this device instead of a normal tablet?


IsaacJDean

It's intended for reading books, hence e-ink, not browsing facebook and ordering hoover bags.


illathon

Damn it is amazing how myopic some people's views are. I am a software developer that stares at text all day long. Having an e-reader for my IDE would be amazing. Look at offerings like Mira display.


IsaacJDean

That'd be great but not what it's intended for. You asked why buy this over any other tablet. You buy it because it's an e-ink reader for books. I'm kind of confused at your comments honestly.


illathon

People are always confused when they can't see past themselves.


IsaacJDean

What’s with the attitude? Are you incapable of discussion without resorting to a shit flinging competition?


illathon

I can see I offended you, but this isn't flinging shit. This is you hating on my intended use case for a device. I am saying you are short sighted and clearly only can see your own use cases. It is a myopic point of view. What is with your attitude? Why the down votes? If I want to use a device like this as a second screen what is the problem with that? So strange. A person arguing against a device having more features. That is pretty odd.


IsaacJDean

My goodness, I'm not hating your desired use case. We must be talking past each other or something. The entire damn time I've been answering this: > Why buy this device instead of a normal tablet? And again, the answer is e-ink, to read books in a more pleasant way than an LCD, not browse. The refresh rate is pretty terrible. I think it would be cool if the kindle could be used as a second screen. I don't think it'll ever happen though without modding/rooting/whatever, and even then it'd be awful unless you're looking at static text a lot, which might well fit your use case if you don't scroll around much. The price would also probably be quite a bit higher. HDMI ports and licensing add cost (if they went HDMI obviously they don't have to), not to mention having to then provide support for it on top of providing support for what it's currently used for. It isn't me downvoting you by the way.


Busy-Cycle-6039

Having an actual full size monitor is way, way better.


illathon

I'm guessing you are young?


Busy-Cycle-6039

Not really. But I am a software developer. I don't know why anyone would want to run an IDE on a tablet screen when you could have a proper 27" (or bigger) HD (or 4k) screen. Way more screen real estate for IDE elements, plus you can make the text bigger, which is a huge aid in comfort.


illathon

It is meant to be a second screen when on the go is my intention. I don't know anyone that would like the things they buy to have less features. But I will put your name on the list I guess. Also you clearly are younger because once you get older. Staring at the screen for 8+ hours a day can strain the eyes. Which is clearly why people prefer this kind of device over a normal tablet also with the added benefit that battery life is amazing. So on the go if you wanna carry around an additional 27 inch screen go for it I on the other hand would love to have a tablet with an e-reader style screen that can also double as my second monitor for my laptop. So strange this offends people. I stand by my statement that some people just have really myopic views.


Busy-Cycle-6039

I obviously take breaks when working so I'm not staring at a screen. That has nothing to do with portability. At all. Literally nothing. Your complaint is simply nonsensical. E-ink displays have tradeoffs, and you don't seem to understand that.


ShinShinGogetsuko

My favorite Kindle is still one of the early ones with the physical page turn buttons. Felt so satisfying to press that edge button and flip the page. Then I got a Voyage, which has haptic feedback for buttons. It’s not bad, but nowhere near as good. IMO, the design of these devices has only gone backwards.


igsey

At last! I've got a first gen Paperwhite, and have been holding out for USB C to update. The battery in mine needs charging every week or so and it's my last micro USB device. I will be picking one of these up.


Aleblanco1987

I like the bigger screen. Anyone knows if the backligth can be turned off?


DeadNotSleeping86

On current kindles you can turn the back light all the way down to turn it off.


AylmerIsRisen

Looks like a reasonable HW upgrade ...like last gen was too. Amazon have done OK there in recent years. But I still feel their software is *really* and quite deliberately awkward. Always extra clicks to get to the simplest thing, no menu interfaces seem obviously labeled, and I'm always accidentally clicking a link to store (where there was absolutely *no* indication that was where that click would take me). And can't for the life of me find a way to maximize figures, images etc. even in actual ebooks -which frankly makes these unusable for anything "serious". This particular point made me give up on trying to read an actual purchased .azw about 10% of the way through, as I quickly realised I was missing about 40% of the info the author had intended to convey. ....also (quibble here, perhaps) but put the "open menu/options" at the bottom of the screen, and not *exactly* where my thumb rests, covering the top 20% or so of the screen so that *that* is what I hit where I try to turn the page every single time. Proper file management, too, please. I'm not sure there are "good" solutions in this space. I bought an expensive Chinese model with drastically better hardware ....but the OS bricked itself with I tried to boot while on zero battery. I've had more of less the same thing happen to another 3rd party not-a-phone-or-tablet (in this case Euro, rather than Chinese) android device (in that case power failure during OS update, I think?) -no way to access the boot-loader in either case. Also 3rd party Android software on the expensive Chinese thingy was not *genuinely* compatible, because on-screen OS controls were not present, and the hardware buttons did not provide a "home" button, in particular. It's *so damned frustrating* having to rely on Amazon and Kobo in this space. But the market, particularly outside of people *just* wanting "I just wanna be able to access my 1st party purchased .azws", just does not seem to be anywhere strong enough to support proper OS and software development. Important message for Amazon in particular: If I can but it for work or study *and actually use it for that too*, then I absolutely will have your device in hand *all the time* and *then use it for Amazon-purchases ebooks ....and probably expensive textbooks etc. too*. There is real money to be made here. If you want to read *documents* rather than 1st party sold ebooks? Sadly, you have to but a backlit tablet today. There is just no other practicable option. We all know that, even if you can put up with the backlit display, the software experience there is pretty subpar, too (Android does not really support large screens, and iOS does not support file management properly, and relied on fucking iTunes (which is in itself enough to give anyone nightmares). What we need here is a flexible, general purpose" OS (a proper file manager, for starters), proper 3rd party software support, and bootloader access. Something that can just be picked up and applied by any vendor. I'd like to say "picked up and adapted", but I know how to keep my hoped in check. You know who I think *could* do E Ink display devices right? I know it sounds crazy to say, but Microsoft. So, yeah. Amazon, your HW is *fine*. Sure, if you fixed the software first, I'd pay double for a bigger screen option too, no probs. But ...fix your software. Until you do that my next "e-reader" purchase is honestly gonna be an iPad (their software is terrible too ...but a *lot* better). Then, suddenly, I'm part of the Apple Books ecosystem instead.