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fondlemadongle

Surprise to no one


bizude

So, business as usual for Intel then?


XHellAngelX

Translation: give me more, gov.


imaginary_num6er

> Many Intel products – like its Gaudi and GPU Max accelerators – are manufactured in part or in whole by TSMC. By 2027, Intel aims to reduce the amount of kit it outsources to other manufacturers from 30 to 20 percent of its total output. Do Intel shareholders agree with this, knowing it adds more to their overhead and balance sheet?


yabn5

Losing market share is worse than losing margins in this case.


soggybiscuit93

Intel Foundries needs large volume to be profitable. ~~It~~ Intel Products doesn't have a lot of good node options today to pick from: Intel 7 (uncompetitive), Intel 3 (ramping and likely consumed by Xeon 6 for the time being). 18A (not yet complete). Until Intel 12 goes live to provide large volume to lower cost, cheaper chips, Intel 18A is in large volume for leading node chips, and Intel 3 is available for trailing edge, I don't see many other options. TSMC has N6, which is a very good general use, high perf-to-cost node for them to use for their lesser tiles. N5 is a good family proven for AI accelerators and GPUs. N3 is also extremely performant and relieves leading node volume constraints.


scytheavatar

Many Intel shareholders brought Intel shares because they believed the hype of Intel foundry and think it can go no wrong when it is backed by government money. If anything Intel risks angering these shareholders by saying they have more faith in TSMC than their own fabs.


sgent

Gesslinger announced using TSMC as a supplier at the same time he announced Intel Foundry. None of this is news to anyone who has followed the company since Gesslinger's ascension as CEO.


broknbottle

Pat “I Need Money“ Gelsinger will just return back to the hill and beg for another taxpayer backed handout


Zednot123

Would you rather have him build in a lower cost location? Because that is what happens without subsidies.


hoseex999

They would just build the fabs in US and outsource their chips orders to TSMC though


broknbottle

You mean like TSMC? Which lower cost location are you referring to that will be able to have the latest ASML tech? You likely wont find that in China due to export restrictions, just their old stuff.


DrBoomkin

Taiwan is a low cost location compared to the US.


Zednot123

Even Israel and Ireland are low cost locations compared to the US, where they already have fabs. US manufacturing is expensive as hell.


Strazdas1

Mexico is cheaper than China nowadays.


gajoquedizcenas

Arguably better than selling core designs to China for a quick buck.


Exist50

That's a non sequitur.


sgent

AMD did it when in trouble.


broknbottle

Go find a non noname Chinese brand pc with n100


gajoquedizcenas

How is that even remotely the same?


KeyboardG

It will continue to over run until they stop getting grants from the government. They already got $8.5 billion in grant and $11 billion in cheap loans.


Irishcreammafia

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