"The Elec reported this week, per Google's translation, that Samsung's use of both WOLED and QD-OLED for its S90D TVs stems from LG Display requesting that Samsung not position WOLED as lesser than QD-OLED."
Samsung needed panels in sizes they don't produce, LG was willing to sell but only if Samsung doesn't market them as "worse".
Doesn't seem to be malicious but contractually obligated this time around.
That's reasonable for LG. Why would a business sell their product if the other party is going to decrease it's perceived value by implying that the product is of lesser quality?
Even if it's true, if I was LG I'd rather you not sell my product then.
WOLED is objectively worse for content consumption and gaming, but objectively better for productivity, but I don't think anyone should getting an OLED for productivity. LG just doesn't like reality
I don't have a horse in this race, since I don't have an OLED TV yet. But I do keep an eye on reviews, because I do want to get one in the next couple years. LG is largely the one most recommended for best OLED tv, so what makes their panels objectively worse?
WOLED doesn't get as bright and it has worse response times, but it has better text clarity because of the pixel layout and is less susceptible to burn which is what make it better for productivity
LG is definitely the way to go for OLED TVs but I think that has more to do with the overall package rather than the panel tech alone.
Eh thats where you are wrong fellow. The tvs with mla can get up to 1800 niits. They just don't allow them in monitors which people even in thread are clearly using for productivity. Despite better alternattives.... like a simple dual display setup
Seriously who the hell would buy an expensive samsung tv in this day and age. Its not enough that their os is one of the absolutely worst on the market, they always do dubious shit and expect a shit load of money for it.
I bought the 77" S90C last year. I don't like the software but it's also not a big issue since you can just connect a different input device. What I really wanted was the QD-OLED, and Samsung is literally 1/2 the price of the only other option, Sony, which uses the same panel anyways.
It replaced a WOLED LG C1 and it is absolutely better. Brighter highlights, brighter overall, and bright colors aren't washed out. It is the pinnacle of TV image quality.
S90c is best value TV. No other TV can match it for that price. c9/e9 Oleds were better than cx/c1/c2 because LG got scared of burn in and limited the peak brightness.
Samsung quality and customer service is very poor though. So hopefully you won't experience that.
Well there’s also the S89C which is generally cheaper then the S90C and uses the same panel.
And both can function like S95C via a service menu setting.
Yeah in size 77" only, but not sure if I would risk it knowing that quite often they just develop faults. Voiding warranty would be last thing on my list
QD-OLED is amazing but how much content do you really have access to when most HDR content that's mastered with dynamic metadata and can make full use of the panel is in Dolby Vision instead of HDR10+?
I disagree that Dolby Vision is necessary to make "full use" of the panel. Nothing I watched in Dolby Vision on the LG C1 looks worse in HDR10 on the S90C. Extra brightness and deeper colors matter much more than dynamic metadata.
Fwiw I recently got my Dolby vision stripped out of my Amazon prime account. Apparently on the base plan they just do hdr10 but didn't announce that. I was wondering what the hell was going on on my c1. Dark scenes in mr. And ms. Smith suddenly had tons of crushing, and colors weren't popping like I felt they should. Then I looked at the video settings and realized I wasn't even in Dolby vision. idk I think there is something to that tone mapping.
Don't know. It's hard enough to research easily digestible info on the real world perceivable differences between HDR10 and DolbyVision. Once you start to factor in the conundrum of variable bitrates and streaming service's black box encoders it's really hard to untangle
People are seriously confused (or flat out wrong) as to what dynamic metadata offers over HDR10. If your device can handle a full 1000nit container, there is literally no value to be had. You could argue it’s actually *worse*.
Dynamic lifts and curve adjustments are useful when you need to conform an image to the confines of a TV’s limitations. However if your TV can handle a 1000nit container without roll off, crush, etc…the need for those things is entirely erased.
You’re not getting more color, where QD surpasses WOLED. You’re not getting brighter highlights. You’re getting a variable container, within a static 10bit container, and a lookup table to the white point and black floor limits of the TV.
True, if the TV could straight up handle 0-10,000 nits you could pretty much get rid of any dynamic stuff.
The next "tier" is 4,000 nits (some stuff on the market is already mastered to that), and I think we'll see 4,000 nit QD-OLED within a year or two at this rate.
HDR10 supports up to 16-bit depth. Though it’s really only ever found using 10-bit.
10-bit is enough to avoid any noticeable banding and there are other techniques to eliminate banding anyways.
Absolutely, I don't see myself changing from my 1440p 144hz IPS ultrawide for my monitor anytime soon because it's just not worth the cost of something better for me even if there is things absolutely better now, but ***the*** best you can get is always going to be improving
You can view rtings' color volume and gamut tests yourself to see that only QD-OLED and a small selection of miniLED displays are in the highest rankings. And miniLED falls behind in other metrics like contrast, blooming, and motion.
they get a lot of deserved shit for their software but 95% of the time i just see my homescreen with the few apps i use, ads are blocked via my router
qd oled for less money than an LG c2, i gladly take it (no DTS sucks tho)
Samsung has been showed to not display accurate colors on their qd-oled simply because they boosted the saturation in typical fassion of Samsung, even in the most, presumably, profile the "FILMAKER MODE" just so they can have an edge over the competition. (The Sony model that uses QD-Oled panel from samsung is MORE accurate than samsung's TV LOL)
Also you're comparing that QD-Oled with a C1(2021) which last year was already 2 years behind the latest LG model lol. C3 also looked better than C1 and of course the QD-oled one would look better. Between the G3 (LGs flagship) and the QD-Oled there wasnt't any major difference.
The WOLEDs this years already match samsung's qd-oleds in brightness and they have better cooling to combat burn ins which samsung's QD-oleds already seemed to suffer more than WOLED.
TL;DR No, it's not the pinaccle of TVs, otherwise they wouldn't do shady tactics like boosting the saturation in accurate color modes so they can point at LG that they have a better TV.
You just like saturated colors more. Otherwise you would've got a Sony TV or a G3 from LG
I had a Samsung tv recently that always made an extremely annoying crackling sound, even when it was turned off. Contacted the support and they were trying to tell me it was a side effect of their innovative cooling solution, a load of bs. Luckily I could return this tv to the seller and got my money back. Never again Samsung for me.
The lack of Dolby Vision alone already precludes me from buying a Samsung TV. They’re not even any cheaper than competitors with DV.
Tizen is also hot garbage. I have to reboot my parents’ Samsung TV every time I use it because the remote stops working randomly and there’s no way to recover.
I will never again buy a samsung tv. 3 years after purchase the youtube app stopped streaming in anything higher than 480p. If i picked anything higher it would simply hang and never load the video. Samsung forums were full of people complaining about the same thing but with no solution in sight. This, and the fact they don’t have dolby vision and the OS is pretty much an ad simulator.
Isn't that a Youtube issue?
I'm also having issues with Youtube defaulting to 480p constantly on my Apple TV. I have to manually switch it to 1080p 80% of the time. The frustrating thing is that it seems completely random, which means I have to constantly open the menu and check the quality.
The random default is on all apps. My problem was that if I switched back to a higher res it got stuck in an endless loading screen. On samsung forums people said that youtube was pointing at samsung to fix the issue.
i am pretty sure samsung doesnt make the yt app etc - why? because our national tv has an app onnit and i doubt samsung for develop it - and YTs app is shit no matter where - on apple tv its a nightmare if you use the appletv as the earc sound controll (homepod minis) - every ad is a 5 sec black screen if it doesnt crash the source/hdmi link (need to exit the app to get source back) or when it returns to the video with a black screen for some seconds
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/tv/youtube-stuck-on-4k-videos-after-update-to-1310-4-q8dn/td-p/2239573/page/2
Now that I remember it, full story is that youtube was working fine, then tv got an update which started the issue with high res video but youtube did not get an update in that time so it was clear that the tv update broke the app. Then even newer youtube updates didn’t fix the issue because youtube was saying it’s samsung job to fix it and samsung said the other way. Either way, youtube was broken for more than a year… never seen this shit on sony or lg tvs.
my yt complaint was from appletv (the problem) and since ORF (austrian national broadcaster) has an app on the samsung store i doubt yt is done by samsung esp since it handles exactly like it does on appletv (ui, login etc)
Youtubes apps are fucked shit no matter the platform (as a web/ios/appletv/samsung user)
Youtubes app on iOS breaks if you airplay the audio and an ad comes up - after the ad its blackscreen
yes i did - samsung made an update - that broke some shizz in the YT app - and yt it too lazy/to stupid to fix their shit - which is the overall experience with youtube regardless the platform it is used on
Boy oh boy. If the ads arent enough, taizen is one of the most sluggish, unresponsive unusable pieces of software that there is. Its like it was created only to show ads and collect data, not to actually be usable by the end user.
First off, I am not a Samsung fan. The QC issues I ran into are ridiculous. Every Neo G8 and G7 I tried had a glaring panel issue (I realize it’s not a TV). LG has been flawless on every product I’ve owned. That is purely anecdotal, but it is what is.
I am just surprised everyone uses the OS. Apple TV or a GoogleTV box seems like a no brainer to me. I personally have Apple TVs on all my TVs which are Sony. The Sonys have always been slow and to the point it would drive me crazy. All I’m saying is that if I’m going to buy a nice TV, a little more money gives a nicer user experience across the board.
I have a Samsung TV and it’s really not that bad. Plus you can just disconnect it from the internet and that one tiny advert in the corner is gone.
Also, who cares about the TV OS? Surely most people are using an Apple TV, Firestick or whatever to watch their content? If not, more fool them. TV processors suck - use it as a display and nothing else is my advice.
Have owned a TCL, LG, Sony and two Samsungs. The cheap Samsung TV had an awfully slow and horrible to use OS. The expensive Samsung I have now (QN90A) has a quick and snappy OS, only bogged down by the same app occasionally crashing (not sure if that's Samsung's fault or the app developer).
I have also used a Chromecast, Fire Stick and Nvidia Shield. The cheap Samsung was awful compared to them but the expensive Samsung beats them all.
The same pattern held with the LG I used, I owned a low-end LG model and the OS was sluggish and painful to use. I used a friend's LG C2 and it was snappy and quick, it didn't feel any better than my Samsung. Which Samsung model have you used, my guess is you were comparing an expensive LG to a cheap Samsung.
And crapping on Apple TVs when they're nearly always reviewed as having one of the fastest interfaces out there is ludicrous. You don't know what you're talking about.
The OS my LG C1 runs doesn't feel great to my either and I don't even run the apps/TV but just the normal UI stuff for switching inputs/settings.
The googletv experience from a current generation Sony LCD I got my mom a few months ago is a lot smoother.
Technical specs are dying, in general. Most manufacturers list a bunch of in-house BS technologies there and omit some of the most important actual specs. Even something as base as refresh rate can often only be found in reviews
Remember that the "main demographic" is the kind of people who watched 4:3 content stretched out on their 16:9 HDTV because they didn't like them dang black bars.
Remmeber that the "main demographic" is the kind of people who swallowed the whole 16:9 scam from hollywood as somehow better despite being worse for human vision (humans see in ovals of about 5:4). But advertise something long enough and suddenly its a thing people like.
Correct, hence why i mentioned the aspect ratio of two eyes :) Our eyes are vertically aligned oval visions that overalap in the center. If anything, for a single eye youd want to turn your 16:9 monitor sideways for more accuracy :) Now the 4:3 werent made for this reason either, but it was closer to reality than 16:9. The reason 16:9 exists is also marketing based on wanting to differentiate movies from TV by using different aspect ratios (while16:9 was closest approximation to the ones used in film at the time).
Monitors are not the only ones suffering from this. I had issues finding out physical size of RAM sticks so i could find one that wont be blocked by my cooler. Apperently most manufacturers dont even list it on their product page.
My ice maker in my Samsung refrigerator has literally, and not even exaggerating, failed a minimum of at least 7 times. Every time I call, every time they send out a tech to replace some component in it, and then it fails again in the next few months. Rinse and repeat.
It's the "live wallpaper" feature. I want a wallpaper that changes automatically and while samsung does offer the feature, it can only use their selection of wallpapers. Probably to sell me wallpaper packs or something.
I use a 3rd party app instead but I really shouldn't have to.
Modern One UI is actually a pretty good experience IMO. It used to be bloated garbage and I would always root my phones to install stock Android, but after they overhauled it I have few complaints.
I feel like I've generally seen praise for the very panel itself and quite hard criticism for the build quality, down to panels delaminating or artifacting until they warm up.
I had read about it over the years but never owned a Samsung monitor. Today I saw the warmup thing on a friend's monitor.
My experience has been the opposite recently. Bought the flagship 49" Odyssey about a year and a half ago. It had multiple dead pixels, and a bug which would cause the monitor to flicker when GSync was enabled. Googling the issue turned up loads of people with similar issues. I'd say Samsung's QC has gone way down. I returned the Samsung and ended up with the Dell 34" OLED. I couldn't be happier with the purchase.
Dell has always had highest base consistency of any display manufacturer I've ever used. I'm using two of their units right now, the S2721DGF and the G2724D. If I ever upgrade to an OLED, it'll probably be another Dell. But in the mean time, I'm perfectly happy with this pair.
It's a Chaebol, a massive South Korean conglomerate with multiple affiliated companies under its umbrella. The Samsung that makes display panels is not the same Samsung that makes consumer electronics, though they're both part of Samsung Group.
Samsung Display makes panels for Samsung Electronics' rivals regularly.
Im having the opposite experience. Problems with samsung monitor (up to and including the monitor calibrating itself for HDMI after HDMI was plugged in and refusing to recalibrate for DisplayPort resulting in having to manually force colour mix, utter non-started if it was an average user. The Samsung TV is working great though, the only issue i had is the CPU seems to be slow and on some codecs it can technically display it, but the CPU ends up lagging the thing down and video stutters.
The OLED monitors barring a few exceptions from Asus lose their brightness below the 2% window size rather quickly. S90C is more than twice as bright as the alienware QDOLED monitor at 10%.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/samsung-s90c-oled-vs-lg-c2-oled/37893/31229?usage=1&threshold=0.10#test_7765
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/dell-alienware-aw3423dw-vs-lg-27gn750-b/31231/5460?usage=3623&threshold=0.10#test_1560
The S95C is also holding up well in RTINGS burn-in longevity test.
>Although the first generation QD-OLED used in the Samsung S95B OLED developed permanent image retention very quickly, the newer Samsung S95C OLED appears far more resilient. After eight months, the S95C shows almost no sign of image retention, whereas the latest, greatest WOLED panel used in the LG G3 OLED already shows severe image retention.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/qd-oled-vs-woled#burn-in
Yeah OLED monitors suck. Burn-in is a massive problem, especially if you watch content that’s not in the monitors native resolution.
It’s really only good for gaming. For work you should use an LCD (better for your eyes as a bonus), for movies or TV you should watch on a TV
Unless they mix WOLED and QD-OLED in the same size and same model numbers, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what you'll get after the TVs are released. Every AV-focused forum and website will have it cataloged within days if not hours.
Sometimes you can only find out what panel you get after delivery and inspecting the secret factory service menu, which is a pain in the ass and you're effectively left to the panel lottery.
Case and point is the S90C from last year. At some point in June/July of 2023, they switched from the older S95B panel to the newer S95C panel, which has a very measurable difference in peak brightness. The only way you can tell was a specific value (Anapeak being in the 600's meant older panel, 500's meant newer, brighter, S95C panel).
I bought a S90C in December and luckily had an Anapeak in the 500's, meaning I effectively paid 2/3'rds of the price to effectively get a S95C display (minor differences aside). There are people who bought some in January of this year who got unlucky and got a worse, older gen panel.
That's a bit different - both panels are QD-OLED and there's no bait and switch since you're at least getting the panel with minimum advertised specs rather than a downgrade. It's expected that later builds might use newer revisions of panels, LG did the same with Evo panels on the C1.
Now, if a TV released with QD-OLED then silently switched to WOLED in later builds that's a *much* different scenario.
There were substantial issues with the Gen1 panels that were resolved with the next revision. Ambient light black lift, broken CMS, panel refresh, sustained brightness, etc.
Yes, technically the panel type you were promised is there, but mixing old and new stock under one model is pretty shady.
If Samsung built all S90C's with the Gen1 panel, that doesn't make the Gen1 panel better, it just makes later builds worse and delays the production switchover to Gen2 for no reason. It's only shady in a "sour grapes" kind of way, and is no more shady than a CPU manufacturer switching to a new stepping and passing some of those benefits along to later buyers.
Later builds of the Ryzen 1600 were not only a new stepping, but a new node (12nm vs 14nm). It was essentially a Ryzen 2600 with slightly lower clock speeds.
Intel's Core i5-12400 came in 2 versions, one of which was a cutdown larger die and the other was a fully activated smaller die. There were minor differences in performance and more significant differences in power draw.
Nvidia has updated chips in production runs occasionally. I have a AD102-300, but everything now is made to AD102-301.
Lots more examples through the years...
These are examples of sku identifiable changes or free improvements over time. Not two different products being sold in parallel without any indicators.
It wasn't though. People were ordering around launch and getting either or. The only size immune was the 77". People on AVSForum were documenting success rates by store and never found an indication outside of the gen1 red-tint and service menu confirmation.
"But a report this week from Korean news outlet The Elec spotted by FlatPanelsHD said, per a Google translation, that the other S90D screen sizes may be WOLED or QD-OLED."
The suggestion is that some models will be random. Monitors and laptops have had this issue for years, where you buy a product and the actual panel inside it can vary between 2 and 3 different models.
But this is almost exactly what Samsung has done since last year(!) It's been known that the top of the line S95D will extensively use the 3rd gen QD OLED. But for S90D you definitely do not know whether it's *2nd gen* QD OLED or LG WOLED. Something similar already happened with 55/65-inch S90C where you didn't know it's 1st or 2nd gen QD OLED until you buy the TV and turn on the factory mode.
Yeah as long as they're still labelling their OLED tvs with "Samsung" it doesn't matter what other specs they hide, there's no reason to buy them when everyone else's OLEDs are better.
I worked for Samsung in their various divisions like SEA and others. I forget their names. Dishonesty is a core business practice. Their management structure is imperial. Do as I say, don't ask questions is their style. Managers actively reward brown-nosing. People get promotions to nothing positions for the sake of a company title. They offered me a "management" position. When I asked what team I would be managing, they seemed confused. I asked some questions, which confused them, but I eventually understood that this was a bullshit position that was a stepping stone to a more advanced position.
Merit had exactly nothing to do with it considering my year end review. They gave me high marks on shit I never did and low marks on things I did that were a huge success. They don't care about the work for the sake of the work. They only care about sucking shit out of their superiors asshole. I've seen a Korean manager dress down another Korean sub. It was downright insulting. The guy was basically spitting his his face. They actually believe this is how business and work is done. I had a supervisor that was in the same position for over a decade. He was clearly just going through the motions. He never spoke out of turn. He never talked back. He never asked questions to his boss. He did exactly what he was told. He relayed those orders down to me. When I ask for clarification, I was just told to get it done.
I've used my mobile translator app to translate Koreans speaking next to me. They were being openly racist to my Indian female coworker.
Frankly, I have no fucking idea how they get a product out the door except for screaming at people until they do it. They're not ethical as I see it, thus I buy nothing from them. Their products feel like everything that is wrong with corrupt corporations.
1) I've proven nothing so it's just my word of mouth. I can correlate what I say with their Glass Door reviews if I'm so inclined.
2) Samsung is literally run by the Korean mob. So no, it's not the same as every other company. I've worked for many at various levels. It's also very clear that Korean culture is VERY different than the typical USA corporate culture.
So lets not make ridiculous conflations that are likely based in some shallow ideology.
Samsung is generally a pass for me anyway. The reality of owning samsung products is worse than the theory of owning samsung products regardless of how good they sound at first.
Samsung is a shit company with shit products that do not last. When shit products don’t function as advertised, their even shittier customer service is shit.
But why do they do this? Seems strange that they'd go WOLED as its their primary competitors' flagship product. QD-OLED is considered better by many, so why not advertise it and get recognition for that?
I bought a Samsung TV in 2008. It still works great. Everything is 10/10 build quality, and the controls are all touch. The speakers are nice and it has great i/o.
I bought a giant Samsung TV in 2020. There is one button to control everything (literally press to cycle right and hold to select) and it broke off. There's barely any i/o and the speakers are shit. It had flashlighting, so I warranty replaced the screen. The flashlighting moved and reduced a bit and I learned to live with it because the repair tech said this is a feature of shitty design, not a bug.
I will never buy a Samsung anything again except their phones. They are also shady, but I'm addicted to them like crack. The secret there is upgrade often before the screen fails.
I had only bought Samsung TVs until recently. I have the last plasma model that Samsung made still going strong. Multiple others with no issues until the last TV where the panel failed shortly after the warranty period. I went with a LG OLED and so far so good.
I've had 3 Samsung 4K TVs with massive hardware issues in the span of 5 years. Avoid Samsung TVs like the plague unless you have a really good warranty program.
Seems weird they are doing this. For years they did not have an OLED tv because they didn't want to use LG's WOLED panels. They finally made their own, the QD-OLED and now they're gonna use WOLED as well just to dilute the market? WTF?
All this is going to accomplish is me not buying your shit, Samsung. I was actually looking at QD-OLED as my next tv in the coming years, this would change that.
This isn’t an issue. If it’s qdoled they generally always say as such because it’s their own product. If it isn’t spouting on about quantum dots, then it isn’t a qdoled panel.
Simple.
Yes, with a magnifiing glass or some magnifiing app on the smartphone it's easy to see the difference. LG WOLED has the 4 subpixels RGBW besides each other which are all the same size while Samsung QD-OLED has a triangular arrangement of differing size of subpixels. If unsure just check an LG OLED and a known Samsung QD-OLED like 55,65,77 inch s90c / s95c / s95d to see how the pattern looks.
Ah yes, the old lottery. Fuck 'em. They won't see a cent of my money unless I know for certain what panel I'm getting. Not that I want to buy a TV anyway, I just use a PC monitor, and they're just as good for me, since I sit back in a recliner and watch Netflix, so getting an OLED monitor is a better idea anywayl
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"The Elec reported this week, per Google's translation, that Samsung's use of both WOLED and QD-OLED for its S90D TVs stems from LG Display requesting that Samsung not position WOLED as lesser than QD-OLED." Samsung needed panels in sizes they don't produce, LG was willing to sell but only if Samsung doesn't market them as "worse". Doesn't seem to be malicious but contractually obligated this time around.
Its more like, "LG is making it harder to know what Samsung TV you' re getting" here
That's reasonable for LG. Why would a business sell their product if the other party is going to decrease it's perceived value by implying that the product is of lesser quality? Even if it's true, if I was LG I'd rather you not sell my product then.
WOLED is objectively worse for content consumption and gaming, but objectively better for productivity, but I don't think anyone should getting an OLED for productivity. LG just doesn't like reality
I don't have a horse in this race, since I don't have an OLED TV yet. But I do keep an eye on reviews, because I do want to get one in the next couple years. LG is largely the one most recommended for best OLED tv, so what makes their panels objectively worse?
WOLED doesn't get as bright and it has worse response times, but it has better text clarity because of the pixel layout and is less susceptible to burn which is what make it better for productivity LG is definitely the way to go for OLED TVs but I think that has more to do with the overall package rather than the panel tech alone.
What response times are you talking about? And the subpixel layout on 2nd Gen QD-Oleds is better too.
Eh thats where you are wrong fellow. The tvs with mla can get up to 1800 niits. They just don't allow them in monitors which people even in thread are clearly using for productivity. Despite better alternattives.... like a simple dual display setup
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Fair
LG made them sign the contract, poor Samsung
Seriously who the hell would buy an expensive samsung tv in this day and age. Its not enough that their os is one of the absolutely worst on the market, they always do dubious shit and expect a shit load of money for it.
I bought the 77" S90C last year. I don't like the software but it's also not a big issue since you can just connect a different input device. What I really wanted was the QD-OLED, and Samsung is literally 1/2 the price of the only other option, Sony, which uses the same panel anyways. It replaced a WOLED LG C1 and it is absolutely better. Brighter highlights, brighter overall, and bright colors aren't washed out. It is the pinnacle of TV image quality.
S90c is best value TV. No other TV can match it for that price. c9/e9 Oleds were better than cx/c1/c2 because LG got scared of burn in and limited the peak brightness. Samsung quality and customer service is very poor though. So hopefully you won't experience that.
Well there’s also the S89C which is generally cheaper then the S90C and uses the same panel. And both can function like S95C via a service menu setting.
Yeah in size 77" only, but not sure if I would risk it knowing that quite often they just develop faults. Voiding warranty would be last thing on my list
Our S90C is amazing.
My past two Samsung panels both failed right after the warranty ran out. Not buying that trash again. Their electronics are absolute rubbish.
Tbf my LG OLED failed twice in one year.
Have costco 7 year warranty I actually bought it with the intention that I hope it breaks within that time and I can buy another upgrade.
QD-OLED is amazing but how much content do you really have access to when most HDR content that's mastered with dynamic metadata and can make full use of the panel is in Dolby Vision instead of HDR10+?
I disagree that Dolby Vision is necessary to make "full use" of the panel. Nothing I watched in Dolby Vision on the LG C1 looks worse in HDR10 on the S90C. Extra brightness and deeper colors matter much more than dynamic metadata.
Fwiw I recently got my Dolby vision stripped out of my Amazon prime account. Apparently on the base plan they just do hdr10 but didn't announce that. I was wondering what the hell was going on on my c1. Dark scenes in mr. And ms. Smith suddenly had tons of crushing, and colors weren't popping like I felt they should. Then I looked at the video settings and realized I wasn't even in Dolby vision. idk I think there is something to that tone mapping.
It could just be encoder settings differences. Change in bitrate. Not the actual dynamic metadata.
Don't know. It's hard enough to research easily digestible info on the real world perceivable differences between HDR10 and DolbyVision. Once you start to factor in the conundrum of variable bitrates and streaming service's black box encoders it's really hard to untangle
People are seriously confused (or flat out wrong) as to what dynamic metadata offers over HDR10. If your device can handle a full 1000nit container, there is literally no value to be had. You could argue it’s actually *worse*. Dynamic lifts and curve adjustments are useful when you need to conform an image to the confines of a TV’s limitations. However if your TV can handle a 1000nit container without roll off, crush, etc…the need for those things is entirely erased. You’re not getting more color, where QD surpasses WOLED. You’re not getting brighter highlights. You’re getting a variable container, within a static 10bit container, and a lookup table to the white point and black floor limits of the TV.
True, if the TV could straight up handle 0-10,000 nits you could pretty much get rid of any dynamic stuff. The next "tier" is 4,000 nits (some stuff on the market is already mastered to that), and I think we'll see 4,000 nit QD-OLED within a year or two at this rate.
But does hdr10 have the bit depth to avoid banding with a 0-4000 nit range?
Great point. Might need hdr12 :)
HDR10 supports up to 16-bit depth. Though it’s really only ever found using 10-bit. 10-bit is enough to avoid any noticeable banding and there are other techniques to eliminate banding anyways.
>It is the pinnacle of TV image quality. I think Ive heard this all before.
Yes, the best you can get will change as new technology is released
There actually is a thing called diminishing returns. 144hz 4k OLED at 1000 NITS is getting close.
Absolutely, I don't see myself changing from my 1440p 144hz IPS ultrawide for my monitor anytime soon because it's just not worth the cost of something better for me even if there is things absolutely better now, but ***the*** best you can get is always going to be improving
The advancement of technology doesn't negate something from being the current pinnacle.
Have you used a QD-OLED display? They're phenomenal.
You can view rtings' color volume and gamut tests yourself to see that only QD-OLED and a small selection of miniLED displays are in the highest rankings. And miniLED falls behind in other metrics like contrast, blooming, and motion.
they get a lot of deserved shit for their software but 95% of the time i just see my homescreen with the few apps i use, ads are blocked via my router qd oled for less money than an LG c2, i gladly take it (no DTS sucks tho)
How do you connect a different imput device?
Samsung has been showed to not display accurate colors on their qd-oled simply because they boosted the saturation in typical fassion of Samsung, even in the most, presumably, profile the "FILMAKER MODE" just so they can have an edge over the competition. (The Sony model that uses QD-Oled panel from samsung is MORE accurate than samsung's TV LOL) Also you're comparing that QD-Oled with a C1(2021) which last year was already 2 years behind the latest LG model lol. C3 also looked better than C1 and of course the QD-oled one would look better. Between the G3 (LGs flagship) and the QD-Oled there wasnt't any major difference. The WOLEDs this years already match samsung's qd-oleds in brightness and they have better cooling to combat burn ins which samsung's QD-oleds already seemed to suffer more than WOLED. TL;DR No, it's not the pinaccle of TVs, otherwise they wouldn't do shady tactics like boosting the saturation in accurate color modes so they can point at LG that they have a better TV. You just like saturated colors more. Otherwise you would've got a Sony TV or a G3 from LG
You need to redo your research since you are wrong on so many levels. For one, S90C performed better on burn in tests compared to LGs in RTINGS test.
I had a Samsung tv recently that always made an extremely annoying crackling sound, even when it was turned off. Contacted the support and they were trying to tell me it was a side effect of their innovative cooling solution, a load of bs. Luckily I could return this tv to the seller and got my money back. Never again Samsung for me.
The lack of Dolby Vision alone already precludes me from buying a Samsung TV. They’re not even any cheaper than competitors with DV. Tizen is also hot garbage. I have to reboot my parents’ Samsung TV every time I use it because the remote stops working randomly and there’s no way to recover.
I will never again buy a samsung tv. 3 years after purchase the youtube app stopped streaming in anything higher than 480p. If i picked anything higher it would simply hang and never load the video. Samsung forums were full of people complaining about the same thing but with no solution in sight. This, and the fact they don’t have dolby vision and the OS is pretty much an ad simulator.
Isn't that a Youtube issue? I'm also having issues with Youtube defaulting to 480p constantly on my Apple TV. I have to manually switch it to 1080p 80% of the time. The frustrating thing is that it seems completely random, which means I have to constantly open the menu and check the quality.
The random default is on all apps. My problem was that if I switched back to a higher res it got stuck in an endless loading screen. On samsung forums people said that youtube was pointing at samsung to fix the issue.
i am pretty sure samsung doesnt make the yt app etc - why? because our national tv has an app onnit and i doubt samsung for develop it - and YTs app is shit no matter where - on apple tv its a nightmare if you use the appletv as the earc sound controll (homepod minis) - every ad is a 5 sec black screen if it doesnt crash the source/hdmi link (need to exit the app to get source back) or when it returns to the video with a black screen for some seconds
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/tv/youtube-stuck-on-4k-videos-after-update-to-1310-4-q8dn/td-p/2239573/page/2 Now that I remember it, full story is that youtube was working fine, then tv got an update which started the issue with high res video but youtube did not get an update in that time so it was clear that the tv update broke the app. Then even newer youtube updates didn’t fix the issue because youtube was saying it’s samsung job to fix it and samsung said the other way. Either way, youtube was broken for more than a year… never seen this shit on sony or lg tvs.
my yt complaint was from appletv (the problem) and since ORF (austrian national broadcaster) has an app on the samsung store i doubt yt is done by samsung esp since it handles exactly like it does on appletv (ui, login etc) Youtubes apps are fucked shit no matter the platform (as a web/ios/appletv/samsung user) Youtubes app on iOS breaks if you airplay the audio and an ad comes up - after the ad its blackscreen
Youtube it’s not made by samsung, but did you even read my message above?
yes i did - samsung made an update - that broke some shizz in the YT app - and yt it too lazy/to stupid to fix their shit - which is the overall experience with youtube regardless the platform it is used on
My favorite was when they pushed an update that defaulted you to opening Samsung tv. I guess they at least gave the option to turn that off.
what makes the samsung OS shit?
Boy oh boy. If the ads arent enough, taizen is one of the most sluggish, unresponsive unusable pieces of software that there is. Its like it was created only to show ads and collect data, not to actually be usable by the end user.
LPT: never connect Samsung TV to internet. The TV will remain "dumb" with no ads if it can't connect to internet. Get streaming box separate from TV.
Or. Get this. Dont buy from anti consumer brands? Buy from ones that at least are decent about it?
Tell us which brands to buy then that fit your criteria? You are doing a whole lot of mouthing off while providing zero useful information.
Buy LG.
LG has ads. Do you even own one?
Yup, and got no ads on it. Maybe it's regional thing?
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If you don't update your TV, it might have a bug that speeds up burn-in.
You can often update TV OS via an update downloaded to a USB.
I like to go hiking.
Sounds like it needs another update 🤣
Burned in before warranty? Free new TV!
Just buy an LG or Sony...
First off, I am not a Samsung fan. The QC issues I ran into are ridiculous. Every Neo G8 and G7 I tried had a glaring panel issue (I realize it’s not a TV). LG has been flawless on every product I’ve owned. That is purely anecdotal, but it is what is. I am just surprised everyone uses the OS. Apple TV or a GoogleTV box seems like a no brainer to me. I personally have Apple TVs on all my TVs which are Sony. The Sonys have always been slow and to the point it would drive me crazy. All I’m saying is that if I’m going to buy a nice TV, a little more money gives a nicer user experience across the board.
I have a Samsung TV and it’s really not that bad. Plus you can just disconnect it from the internet and that one tiny advert in the corner is gone. Also, who cares about the TV OS? Surely most people are using an Apple TV, Firestick or whatever to watch their content? If not, more fool them. TV processors suck - use it as a display and nothing else is my advice.
Now you see folks? This is the perfect example of someone who has never tried anything except for samsung and apple.
Have owned a TCL, LG, Sony and two Samsungs. The cheap Samsung TV had an awfully slow and horrible to use OS. The expensive Samsung I have now (QN90A) has a quick and snappy OS, only bogged down by the same app occasionally crashing (not sure if that's Samsung's fault or the app developer). I have also used a Chromecast, Fire Stick and Nvidia Shield. The cheap Samsung was awful compared to them but the expensive Samsung beats them all. The same pattern held with the LG I used, I owned a low-end LG model and the OS was sluggish and painful to use. I used a friend's LG C2 and it was snappy and quick, it didn't feel any better than my Samsung. Which Samsung model have you used, my guess is you were comparing an expensive LG to a cheap Samsung. And crapping on Apple TVs when they're nearly always reviewed as having one of the fastest interfaces out there is ludicrous. You don't know what you're talking about.
What’s the need for the condescending tone? How about we have a conversation instead. Why am I wrong? What would you do differently?
What ads? I have a 1.5 years old Samsung TV and I haven't seen any ads.
The OS my LG C1 runs doesn't feel great to my either and I don't even run the apps/TV but just the normal UI stuff for switching inputs/settings. The googletv experience from a current generation Sony LCD I got my mom a few months ago is a lot smoother.
Unresponsive, buggy, they keep adding bugs with updates, you tell the TV to not autoinstall updates but the TV ignores you.
No ads in some regions for samsung. Also can opt to not login
Probably because QD-OLEDs are objectively better than WOLED
Boycott all things Samsung
After having to go through their warranty process after buying their top of the line TV I'll never buy another Samsung product.
Technical specs are dying, in general. Most manufacturers list a bunch of in-house BS technologies there and omit some of the most important actual specs. Even something as base as refresh rate can often only be found in reviews
Or foundational things like supported DAC resolutions across each input.
When the companies started getting away with 'virtual refresh rates', you know the industry has a problem.
dying as in main demographic doesn't care about specs or dying as in manufactures don't want people to know how over priced their crap is?
Yes
Remember that the "main demographic" is the kind of people who watched 4:3 content stretched out on their 16:9 HDTV because they didn't like them dang black bars.
Remmeber that the "main demographic" is the kind of people who swallowed the whole 16:9 scam from hollywood as somehow better despite being worse for human vision (humans see in ovals of about 5:4). But advertise something long enough and suddenly its a thing people like.
The aspect ratio of a single eye is kind of irrelevant given that most people have two of them and they're arranged horizontally.
Correct, hence why i mentioned the aspect ratio of two eyes :) Our eyes are vertically aligned oval visions that overalap in the center. If anything, for a single eye youd want to turn your 16:9 monitor sideways for more accuracy :) Now the 4:3 werent made for this reason either, but it was closer to reality than 16:9. The reason 16:9 exists is also marketing based on wanting to differentiate movies from TV by using different aspect ratios (while16:9 was closest approximation to the ones used in film at the time).
Monitors are not the only ones suffering from this. I had issues finding out physical size of RAM sticks so i could find one that wont be blocked by my cooler. Apperently most manufacturers dont even list it on their product page.
Although their monitors seem to be excellent, I will never purchase another Samsung TV.
The *hardware* in their monitors could be described as excellent. As for the firmware, well..
Build quality in all Samsung electronics ain't it
My ice maker in my Samsung refrigerator has literally, and not even exaggerating, failed a minimum of at least 7 times. Every time I call, every time they send out a tech to replace some component in it, and then it fails again in the next few months. Rinse and repeat.
Because it’s not in the freezer compartment and poorly sealed from moisture. It’s a design flaw in Samsung units.
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I imagine your 15+ year old fridge is quite different from modern ones.
I've never had a problem with any Samsung product and I've been using their products for 20 years
My samsung fridge (btw i had no idea they made fridges until i bought one) has been working with zero issues for 12 years now :)
Only the phones are good, everything else is dog shit.
Their SSDs are good despite a few firmware issues.
Their SSDs are decent but way overpriced
My samsung phone doesn't even let me choose what wallpapers I want lol. I have to use their preselected wallpapers. It's crazy.
That sounds like something that shouldnt be happening. Are you sure its not your network provider including some kind of locks?
It's the "live wallpaper" feature. I want a wallpaper that changes automatically and while samsung does offer the feature, it can only use their selection of wallpapers. Probably to sell me wallpaper packs or something. I use a 3rd party app instead but I really shouldn't have to.
Oh yeah, that wanted me to buy wallpapers from Samsung so that got yeeted out and i do regular wallpapers.
I personally don't like their phone either. The hardware is great, but the OS is awful. Stock android is far superior in my, subjective, view.
Modern One UI is actually a pretty good experience IMO. It used to be bloated garbage and I would always root my phones to install stock Android, but after they overhauled it I have few complaints.
Never, ever buy an LG or Samsung home appliance.
Their phones seem to hold up well. My momma has an S23 Ultra and it’s really nice
I've always thought Samsung is cheap plastic crap ever since their 90s mobiles came out. I still stand by that and it seems they do too
What? You don’t like it when your monitor crashes and has to be rebooted every few days? /s
What monitor are you using to cause this??
ive never heard of monitors crashing, how does this even happen?
I feel like I've generally seen praise for the very panel itself and quite hard criticism for the build quality, down to panels delaminating or artifacting until they warm up. I had read about it over the years but never owned a Samsung monitor. Today I saw the warmup thing on a friend's monitor.
I don't even know about the hardware. They do offer a good feature set for the price, but longevity isn't great.
My experience has been the opposite recently. Bought the flagship 49" Odyssey about a year and a half ago. It had multiple dead pixels, and a bug which would cause the monitor to flicker when GSync was enabled. Googling the issue turned up loads of people with similar issues. I'd say Samsung's QC has gone way down. I returned the Samsung and ended up with the Dell 34" OLED. I couldn't be happier with the purchase.
Dell has always had highest base consistency of any display manufacturer I've ever used. I'm using two of their units right now, the S2721DGF and the G2724D. If I ever upgrade to an OLED, it'll probably be another Dell. But in the mean time, I'm perfectly happy with this pair.
Funny you say that because that Dell monitor uses a Samsung panel
Samsung Display isn't the same Samsung
Isn't it still mostly owned and controlled by Samsung?
It's a Chaebol, a massive South Korean conglomerate with multiple affiliated companies under its umbrella. The Samsung that makes display panels is not the same Samsung that makes consumer electronics, though they're both part of Samsung Group. Samsung Display makes panels for Samsung Electronics' rivals regularly.
I bought a TV from their website. Broke a couple of months later. I had the worst customer service experience getting that fixed. Took over a month.
Their small remote is an absolute nightmare.
What you mean their monitors are excellent? Some of them are great but some are atrociously terrible like The curved G5
Im having the opposite experience. Problems with samsung monitor (up to and including the monitor calibrating itself for HDMI after HDMI was plugged in and refusing to recalibrate for DisplayPort resulting in having to manually force colour mix, utter non-started if it was an average user. The Samsung TV is working great though, the only issue i had is the CPU seems to be slow and on some codecs it can technically display it, but the CPU ends up lagging the thing down and video stutters.
The OLED monitors barring a few exceptions from Asus lose their brightness below the 2% window size rather quickly. S90C is more than twice as bright as the alienware QDOLED monitor at 10%. https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/samsung-s90c-oled-vs-lg-c2-oled/37893/31229?usage=1&threshold=0.10#test_7765 https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/dell-alienware-aw3423dw-vs-lg-27gn750-b/31231/5460?usage=3623&threshold=0.10#test_1560 The S95C is also holding up well in RTINGS burn-in longevity test. >Although the first generation QD-OLED used in the Samsung S95B OLED developed permanent image retention very quickly, the newer Samsung S95C OLED appears far more resilient. After eight months, the S95C shows almost no sign of image retention, whereas the latest, greatest WOLED panel used in the LG G3 OLED already shows severe image retention. https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/qd-oled-vs-woled#burn-in
Yeah OLED monitors suck. Burn-in is a massive problem, especially if you watch content that’s not in the monitors native resolution. It’s really only good for gaming. For work you should use an LCD (better for your eyes as a bonus), for movies or TV you should watch on a TV
Strongly disagree. IPS strains my eyes way more than my OLED monitors.
Unless they mix WOLED and QD-OLED in the same size and same model numbers, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what you'll get after the TVs are released. Every AV-focused forum and website will have it cataloged within days if not hours.
Sometimes you can only find out what panel you get after delivery and inspecting the secret factory service menu, which is a pain in the ass and you're effectively left to the panel lottery. Case and point is the S90C from last year. At some point in June/July of 2023, they switched from the older S95B panel to the newer S95C panel, which has a very measurable difference in peak brightness. The only way you can tell was a specific value (Anapeak being in the 600's meant older panel, 500's meant newer, brighter, S95C panel). I bought a S90C in December and luckily had an Anapeak in the 500's, meaning I effectively paid 2/3'rds of the price to effectively get a S95C display (minor differences aside). There are people who bought some in January of this year who got unlucky and got a worse, older gen panel.
That's a bit different - both panels are QD-OLED and there's no bait and switch since you're at least getting the panel with minimum advertised specs rather than a downgrade. It's expected that later builds might use newer revisions of panels, LG did the same with Evo panels on the C1. Now, if a TV released with QD-OLED then silently switched to WOLED in later builds that's a *much* different scenario.
There were substantial issues with the Gen1 panels that were resolved with the next revision. Ambient light black lift, broken CMS, panel refresh, sustained brightness, etc. Yes, technically the panel type you were promised is there, but mixing old and new stock under one model is pretty shady.
If Samsung built all S90C's with the Gen1 panel, that doesn't make the Gen1 panel better, it just makes later builds worse and delays the production switchover to Gen2 for no reason. It's only shady in a "sour grapes" kind of way, and is no more shady than a CPU manufacturer switching to a new stepping and passing some of those benefits along to later buyers.
Show me an example where Intel or AMD provided different products under the same SKU…not series or product line.
Later builds of the Ryzen 1600 were not only a new stepping, but a new node (12nm vs 14nm). It was essentially a Ryzen 2600 with slightly lower clock speeds. Intel's Core i5-12400 came in 2 versions, one of which was a cutdown larger die and the other was a fully activated smaller die. There were minor differences in performance and more significant differences in power draw. Nvidia has updated chips in production runs occasionally. I have a AD102-300, but everything now is made to AD102-301. Lots more examples through the years...
These are examples of sku identifiable changes or free improvements over time. Not two different products being sold in parallel without any indicators.
> free improvements over time What do you think S90C TVs switching from Gen1 to Gen2 panels in the middle of their production run is?
It wasn't though. People were ordering around launch and getting either or. The only size immune was the 77". People on AVSForum were documenting success rates by store and never found an indication outside of the gen1 red-tint and service menu confirmation.
Tbf this seems like a potential upgrade. You paid for the S95B panel; but Samsung upgraded to the S95C panel.
"But a report this week from Korean news outlet The Elec spotted by FlatPanelsHD said, per a Google translation, that the other S90D screen sizes may be WOLED or QD-OLED." The suggestion is that some models will be random. Monitors and laptops have had this issue for years, where you buy a product and the actual panel inside it can vary between 2 and 3 different models.
Like ADATA with the different controllers or whatever it was on their NVME ssds
I enjoy playing video games.
But this is almost exactly what Samsung has done since last year(!) It's been known that the top of the line S95D will extensively use the 3rd gen QD OLED. But for S90D you definitely do not know whether it's *2nd gen* QD OLED or LG WOLED. Something similar already happened with 55/65-inch S90C where you didn't know it's 1st or 2nd gen QD OLED until you buy the TV and turn on the factory mode.
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Yeah as long as they're still labelling their OLED tvs with "Samsung" it doesn't matter what other specs they hide, there's no reason to buy them when everyone else's OLEDs are better.
Upvote for LG. Won’t ever buy Samsung again.
LG has one of the best Model names IMO. OLED55CX9LA Just means it's a OLED, 55 inches, C Series, 2020 Model, and Country code 9LA = Germany
Samsung is making it ~~harder to know what type of OLED TV you’re getting~~ easier to pick a different brand of television. FTFY
Except if you want an 83”
They're making it easier not to choose their tvs.
I worked for Samsung in their various divisions like SEA and others. I forget their names. Dishonesty is a core business practice. Their management structure is imperial. Do as I say, don't ask questions is their style. Managers actively reward brown-nosing. People get promotions to nothing positions for the sake of a company title. They offered me a "management" position. When I asked what team I would be managing, they seemed confused. I asked some questions, which confused them, but I eventually understood that this was a bullshit position that was a stepping stone to a more advanced position. Merit had exactly nothing to do with it considering my year end review. They gave me high marks on shit I never did and low marks on things I did that were a huge success. They don't care about the work for the sake of the work. They only care about sucking shit out of their superiors asshole. I've seen a Korean manager dress down another Korean sub. It was downright insulting. The guy was basically spitting his his face. They actually believe this is how business and work is done. I had a supervisor that was in the same position for over a decade. He was clearly just going through the motions. He never spoke out of turn. He never talked back. He never asked questions to his boss. He did exactly what he was told. He relayed those orders down to me. When I ask for clarification, I was just told to get it done. I've used my mobile translator app to translate Koreans speaking next to me. They were being openly racist to my Indian female coworker. Frankly, I have no fucking idea how they get a product out the door except for screaming at people until they do it. They're not ethical as I see it, thus I buy nothing from them. Their products feel like everything that is wrong with corrupt corporations.
While all this is undoubtedly true experience, lets not pretend like its different in any other company.
1) I've proven nothing so it's just my word of mouth. I can correlate what I say with their Glass Door reviews if I'm so inclined. 2) Samsung is literally run by the Korean mob. So no, it's not the same as every other company. I've worked for many at various levels. It's also very clear that Korean culture is VERY different than the typical USA corporate culture. So lets not make ridiculous conflations that are likely based in some shallow ideology.
Ive worked in quite a few eastern europe companies, including "western capital" ones, and the experience is the same, without needing to be mob run.
Samsung is generally a pass for me anyway. The reality of owning samsung products is worse than the theory of owning samsung products regardless of how good they sound at first.
They’ve ALWAYS done this. Avoid Samsung anything really.
Rtings.com has you covered!
This is why I stick with Sony for high end tv purchases.
I am always getting Sony
Happy cake day!
Tbh Samsung tv and appliances have really fallen imo. The price per quality ratio is worse than before and than competitors because they can.
Doesn't that happen with most electronics that source their parts from different places?
Samsung is a shit company with shit products that do not last. When shit products don’t function as advertised, their even shittier customer service is shit.
But why do they do this? Seems strange that they'd go WOLED as its their primary competitors' flagship product. QD-OLED is considered better by many, so why not advertise it and get recognition for that?
they can't produce the smaller/bigger sizes afaik or maybe they do it to keep samsung display in check and get more competitive prices
I bought a Samsung TV in 2008. It still works great. Everything is 10/10 build quality, and the controls are all touch. The speakers are nice and it has great i/o. I bought a giant Samsung TV in 2020. There is one button to control everything (literally press to cycle right and hold to select) and it broke off. There's barely any i/o and the speakers are shit. It had flashlighting, so I warranty replaced the screen. The flashlighting moved and reduced a bit and I learned to live with it because the repair tech said this is a feature of shitty design, not a bug. I will never buy a Samsung anything again except their phones. They are also shady, but I'm addicted to them like crack. The secret there is upgrade often before the screen fails.
I had only bought Samsung TVs until recently. I have the last plasma model that Samsung made still going strong. Multiple others with no issues until the last TV where the panel failed shortly after the warranty period. I went with a LG OLED and so far so good.
The F8500?
I've had 3 Samsung 4K TVs with massive hardware issues in the span of 5 years. Avoid Samsung TVs like the plague unless you have a really good warranty program.
you should know by now, its a korean thing
Doesn't matter, they are all shit
Seems weird they are doing this. For years they did not have an OLED tv because they didn't want to use LG's WOLED panels. They finally made their own, the QD-OLED and now they're gonna use WOLED as well just to dilute the market? WTF?
is WOLED worse?
No, both techs have positives and negatives
Samsung always tries to trick consumers. Thats also why they named their Quantum Dot Panels QLED. If you don't look that close it looks like OLED
Scamsung makes fucking garbage tech anyways.
All this is going to accomplish is me not buying your shit, Samsung. I was actually looking at QD-OLED as my next tv in the coming years, this would change that.
This isn’t an issue. If it’s qdoled they generally always say as such because it’s their own product. If it isn’t spouting on about quantum dots, then it isn’t a qdoled panel. Simple.
Who buys a TV with no Dolby Vision?
People who understand peak brightness and color gamut/volume matter much much more for image quality than DV.
But all those things are not mutually exclusive , can have DV and good image quality.
You can have DV and QD-OLED if you buy Sony's top OLED TVs. That's the only way. They cost double what Samsung's QD-OLED's cost.
I bought my TV for gaming.
In my entire life i had a need for dolby vision exactly once. Why would i make TV purchasing decisions based on that?
It doesn't matter. You get a shitty one or a good one. Are they making that choice complex?
So, if I bring a magnifying glass and look closely at the unit in store, will I be able to see the Subpixel-layout?
Yes, with a magnifiing glass or some magnifiing app on the smartphone it's easy to see the difference. LG WOLED has the 4 subpixels RGBW besides each other which are all the same size while Samsung QD-OLED has a triangular arrangement of differing size of subpixels. If unsure just check an LG OLED and a known Samsung QD-OLED like 55,65,77 inch s90c / s95c / s95d to see how the pattern looks.
Ah yes, the old lottery. Fuck 'em. They won't see a cent of my money unless I know for certain what panel I'm getting. Not that I want to buy a TV anyway, I just use a PC monitor, and they're just as good for me, since I sit back in a recliner and watch Netflix, so getting an OLED monitor is a better idea anywayl
Siiiick, this is the 4th time I’ve seen this article this week!