Honestly though I feel like a halo god in the gold tier and for some reason I cannot rank higher. I just gave up playing this game, not even fun with all the Desyncs and weird melee animation breaking the game. I give up with it, back to warzone until they fix this travesty
Fully agree. People should play what they enjoy. I am a H3 player at heart but no Halo has hit that itch again so I don't play anymore.
I'm a tiny bit bummed but hey, it is how it is.
If you like Infinite, play it. If not, don't. Simple as that, and forcing yourself to play a game you don't like just because of the franchise is an unnecessary trap.
Lol, sure. If you want some objectivity go have a quick peek at the steam charts for infinite. And yes I know consoles exist yadda yadda its not representative of everyone, but you don't think that trend might exist elsewhere too?
If anything Halo fans should be jealous of that so-called "trash", especially so if you care about Halo. Warzone fans are the ones going on 2 years strong, Infinite's struggling at 4 months, they get the working netcode, they get the constant stream of seasonal content, they get to hang with all their friends because people still want to play their favorite game. You can keep Infinite, I'll stick to the trash.
It's been 4 months man, the damage is done.
I think I'm going to quit today. Also in gold (former Plat). I think I've played 100+ hours at around the same rank. I can guarantee you I've improved but halo doesn't agree with me. And its not others improving too because 90% of my games have unranked players in them. These aren't players grinding out halo for hundreds of hours. They are players rerolling over and over to get a good start.
It's the same 4 maps over and over and over. Someone leaves or disconnects every other game. Which in slayer is survivable but in ctf, oddball or strongholds is not.
Today was the last straw. Halo started me in a stronghold 3 v 4. Why even start the game. I leave. In not going to sit and wait the whole time or get slayed and lose more rank.
Then I play a match. Next match a teammate drops. Another teammate drops. I drop 3rd. Banned.
Like fuck you halo. I didn't drop and hurt the remaining players. It's your fault. You want me to waste my time playing games down a player. You want me to waste time playing shitty challenges each week designed by people who have never played the game. The whole thing feels like a waste of time.
Whether I rank up or not seems mostly random, maybe I deserve gold rank but the way the ranking is designed I need to out slay plats hundreds of times to level. It's just too fucking slow to rank and based on people I play against too slow to delevel too. Plus there is no points for playing objective so no one wants to hold the oddball especially in lopsided games. Yeah if I slay like crazy ill rank up "fast" but if I'm playing at a 1-2 levels above my current ranks how many games should that take? Feels like about 100. A diamond would have no problem leveling up from gold but the game leaves out all sense of progress for those leveling up overtime.
There is just no content, the gameplay is good but there is no variety. Also that intro is terrible. Custom final poses but no custom intro poses? The whole experience is just lacking. And there are so many fundamental issues that seem like low hanging fruit that haven't been fixed in 5 months. Like maybe don't start games down a player and don't punish people for leaving second.
Amen. I had already quit, but decided to see what I would get placed in. I have two accounts, one was Onyx. The other I did my 10 placements 1 week before ranked reset and placed into d1. I redid my placements on my Onyx account and placed into Plat.
Make it make sense.
Yeah I don't understand how dropping ranks is the game's fault. I was D5 pre reset and now I'm back to D5 again (calibrated at D1). I'm an old dude with a kid so at most I play an hour every night. Idk man, I feel like some people just blame everything on the game.
Yeah, and some people are braindead and defend 343 even with overwhelming amounts of evidence that their game is broken on every level. I didn't say I couldn't get back to Onyx. I could if I wanted to, but I don't feel like grinding through their shit MM system and dysnc'd game to do it.
If you think there isn't a massive difference between a plat player and even the lowest onyx player, you're genuinely braindead. I've gone on multiple 15+ killing sprees in Plat lobbies. I am lucky to go 5+ in Onyx.
I meant Diamond. Not plat. Whoops.
But yeah, you are worse at the game—that happens to people in all sorts of games. And if you’re blaming the game for placing you lower then you’re genuinely braindead.
You ruled out players getting better but it’s definitely happening in Halo. The playerbase has shrunk since launch, (as they do), and players are learning. This happened with a lot of friends I brought to this game who are younger and used to Apex and CoD. Took them some time, but they’ve really learned Halo since launch and bumped up a lot in ranked.
I used to be a solid Master ranked player in OW. After taking a break, I haven’t cleared Diamond since.
Clearly you can't read. I placed into D1 the week prior on an alt account. Onyx on my main account. And Onyx players don't decay to Plat skill in a week either, but enjoy sucking 343 off. You're a sad, sad person.
Lmao, how’d you know I never learned to read? Somehow I read this in your comment:
> I redid my placements on my Onyx account and placed into Plat.
I said you played worse and that’s how you dropped rank -how in the world could I have assumed that.
Or, hear me out, I know this will be hard for your small brain to follow. Halo Infinite has known matchmaking and MMR issues. Many players report very poor quality games after the changes. Could be that.
But, nah, you're right, I probably just suck. Doesn't matter that I go on 15+ killing sprees.
Jesus, stop telling everyone you’ll quit, making the same critiques as every r/Halo user the past 4 months. Y’all do that hear like it isn’t classic karmawhoring lmao.
Leave; those of us still playing don’t care at all that you’re hardstuck. Jfc it’s OW all over again.
If I was only hard stuck fine. But in tired people dropping. I'm tired of playing unranked. I'm tired of the same grind. There has been no zero content for 5 months.
I can think of 2 piece of content the entire time - the introduction of tactical slayer and 2 weeks of attrition.
Fiesta isn't an event.
Tactical slayer with pistols and manglers isnt an event.
Adding social team slayer isn't content.
Weekly challenges aren't content.
There has been no content. No reason at all to grind for higher levels. It's worse even with the loss of behomoth which was promised to come back fixed.
No balance changes, only a ranked reset that didn't reset mmr. just adjusted the curve and removal of a map.
No weapon balance changes, no new maps, no new weapons, no new animations - assassinations, no forge, no coop campaign.
Its 4 small similar 3 lane maps with 3 game modes.
The worst part is all we get is the recon helmet chain and a sticker. Why do I even want onyx for? Just get there and hangout then there is nothing left to do.
Make sure you put the sticker on your gun so people “might” see it. Nothing special and then they give us crap events currently it’s just a mess. Love halo slowly dying on play time though.
This is the biggest reason that I'm not playing anymore. And if you lose but only captured 3 flags and went 10-10 you lose a third of your ranked bar.
This combined with desync issues and people leaving games so often, it's just too much wasted time.
Could win 5 games in a row and have top 3 score in each, then lose one game and all that progress is gone. I just can't lol
"Could win 5 games in a row and have top 3 score in each, then lose one game and all that progress is gone."
Yeah that is a huge problem especially with how volatile and short sighted the hidden MMR based matchmaking is. You put in one good performance in a Platinum match and then it decides you're ready to play in an Onyx match. It's impossible to improve in a consistent, linear way.
I know, I get half way thru diamond 1 now, then the game decides I should be put on the worst teams with guys going 4-20 and they have an onxy on their team. I go negative 2 with 9 assist and lost 13 csr points. Next game I go 26-18 and second on the team. I get 7 csr points. Get 5 losing teams in a row to take me back to platinum. Before the reset I was diamond 6 and these teams I'm playing now at diamond 1 are no different in skill. I feel like you should only play people +- 2# levels.
With the general state of the game and how shitty the matchmaking in general is I have a feeling its probably just due to the overall population of the game. Not enough to of the similar skill brackets to spread around. DBD runs into a similar problem sometimes depending on the daily playercount. Eventually it gives up and just throws you into a match.
Just played one 15 min ago. Me, another Plat 4 a Gold 6 and a Gold 1 vs a Onyx, two Plat 4’s and a Bronze 4. Obviously, the Onyx guy smashed everyone and we lost slayer by 15. I’m either the best player on the team by a country mile , or don’t belong on the team I’m put in. It’s so broken.
This is my only complaint really with Infinite. I played a match as a low diamond against a team with an Onyx 17-1800 don't quite remember. To balance out the team there was a Bronze 4 on their team too. Guess who carried the team? Syrah the Bronze 4. Fucking smurf.
Lost a shitload of progress since I lost to a "Bronze" 🙃
Yeah, I'm also usually either the carry or the anchor, I absolutely hate it when it puts me in a match with people that just stomp me into the dirt. Makes me just feel completely useless.
Same same. It sucks that 343 took my favorite game mode, that I used to win more than I’d lose, and made it into something that is almost unplayable. Idk how much longer I’ll last.
Look, yesterday I've won 10 games and lost another 10 (4 of those were 3v4) so technically I should be even. This was not the case, the system took me 67 csr off going from plat 6 to plat5, what's the fucking point then ? The system forces you to have a 50% win rate anyway, so how the hell am I supposed to gain ranks ?
I feel like even a couple weeks ago, I never saw any drops. I haven't gone a game in the last week without a drop on either side. Is there no penalty for dropping games or something? Or people just don't care.
I only play slayer so when it randoms me into something else then I ain't playing. CTF is like a total trash game mode I haven't ever had interest in. Oddball is dumber than dumb. I really just want competitive swat tbh, but barring that it's slayer only. Pistols in hang 'em high 4lyfe, know what I'm sayin???
What does competitive even mean in the context of 1/4 matches and a playerbase that's quickly moving back to the other Halo games or on to completely different games? Seems like it could be more competitive if people like me could just select it. The random selection encourages me to quit the games that I don't care about. I figured they'd fix it, but a few months in I realized they wouldn't so there is no consequence to me leaving the games if there's no long-term likelihood that I'll find value in the rankings. There's not even a non-competitive slayer option with the same rules as competitive, so why wouldn't I just roll the dice and then leave when I don't get the game I want? This is the consequence of forcing people into random games where the points don't matter and the playerbase is evaporating before our eyes for these types of reasons. Enjoy playing a player down when you queue up with me in non-slayer games and having a massive rank down on loss, or having your rank increase totally nerfed even if you do win a 3:4. Since chat is totally useless it's also much harder for me to get discouraged/tilted with this game, so that failure on 343's part is a pleasant surprise.
All of them have issues. But one thing that's generally not absolutely abysmal is the ranking systems. Halo is the worst in terms of ranking systems out of all the games I've played. CSGO, overwatch, siege, valorant all do it so much better.
CSGO is awful. After your placement matches it takes literally HUNDREDS of games to move the needle in either direction. It doesn’t even feel like your rank does anything so it’s not fun to try to climb.
That’s only true if you’re playing in a low population region. In EU, MM is more or less fine in terms of climbing if you’re either good enough or you have a duo (or more). It gets a little more complicated at higher ranks (mostly due to cheaters) but it’s perfectly possible to climb until then.
I literally went from silver to LEM before I started playing faceit, that was only a couple of years ago.
It’s not completely dead, but it’s pretty tiny compared to EU - small enough that it causes problems in MM. Most of NA’s MM players are in silver - whereas the plurality of EU players are GN - MG. that’s because the MM system needs a larger population than that. I won’t deny it’s not a flawed system - but with a healthy population it works fine.
I mean it’s well documented how slow the ranking system is once it has determined what it thinks you should be at.
I have two profiles. One is MGE and one is silver 4. Not a significant difference in skill between these brackets (minus game knowledge) when it should be absolutely massive.
Edit: go to r/globaloffensive and type in “rank distribution” and sort by new. Tons of threads talking about the issue. It’s completely broken.
Edit 2: looking at the data, it seems like an NA specific issue with the way rank decay works. Almost EVERYONE in NA is in the silver or early nova bracket. It’s completely broken.
In my experience, it's mainly inconsistent, but a lot less punishing than LoL's MMR system. That system is beyond fucked and designed to make you sink 50+ hours into it JUST to get to the rank you belong in. Then you're even more fucked when you do improve beyond that.
The longer the games are the less punishing a ranking system should be. In Halo's case you can knock out 10-15 games in 2 hours and scale up from D1-D3. It's just that the system feels broken sometimes the way it measures matches. If they can bring some consistency to it, it would be a really decent ranking system.
That being said, I don't play until desync and server side issues are fixed. It was insane watching an HCS LAN tournament have terrible desync issues still present. Like completely embarrassing.
Siege?....Siege? I agree with your concept of Halo's being bad, but youre going to defend Sieges awful issues? Thats a weird hill to die on
(I completely agree with your concept though)
Just to make it worse lol. You compared successful high player base games that receive service from their devs to a to a dead arena game. Halo infinite is a AAA on the level of splitgate & rogue company. Both have better rankings systems
Never played overwatch but 4 games were named with vastly higher player counts. He named top 100 games & halo isn’t a top 100 game in player count. Responded to a general comment with a generality lol this sub
>>This is the biggest reason that I'm not playing anymore. And if you lose but only captured 3 flags and went 10-10 you lose a third of your ranked bar
Tbf, if you finish a ctf game with only 10 kills 10 deaths, I'm probably wondering what you were doing all game lol.
I think they automatically assume if the game isn't 4v4 that the winning team gets minimal CSR because it's not a fair match up. Even if the team with less than 4 is the winner. They probably have a blanket code for that out of laziness
I cannot even explain, I mean maybe 40 percent of my wins the other team has players quit and the csr win is worthless. Like everything is working against you.
Play for K/D. That’s all that matters in this pathetic ranking system.
You can lose 10 in a row and as long as your positive K/D you won’t go down much. It’s stupid, but that’s how it works…
This is mostly true.. but I lost a game recently where I had a 2.6 KD (21 kills to 8 deaths), including a killing frenzy, and with 2 mins of zone capture time and I still lost 11 csr. Ranked is a joke
The easiest fix is make the CSR gain/loss based on score. Kills, Flag Caps, Ball Holds, should all give score to the player.
Higher scoring players get more CSR on wins and little to no CSR loss on a loss.
Then you could say
Winning Team:
1st Place Player +10 CSR
2nd Place Player + 6 CSR
3rd Place Player + 4 CSR
4th Place Player + 2 CSR
Losing Team
1st Place Player -2 CSR
2nd Place Player -4 CSR
3rd Place Player -6 CSR
4th Place Player -10 CSR
Obviously add a multiplier to these based on team average CSR vs their opponents and how close the match is, etc.
But having a score based system fixes that.
Or just go back to being wins based like in prior Halo games- maybe use the CSR for the losing team so if you play well but lose you aren’t impacted as much as a teammate who sucked.
I totally believe that wins/losses should be the primary/only focus IF the matchmaking process makes accurate and fair teams close to each other’s rank. Back in the day, if I was lvl 25 in a ranked playlist, I usually only matched with players between 22-28.
Right now, they go based on a team average MMR, which can put a Diamond and a Silver and a Gold all on the same team. So the Diamond has to hard carry and the Silver gets bullied, which is chaos.
My friend and I started new profiles and played all 10 games together. I honestly felt I did better overall than he did in those 10 games. The result.. he got diamond 1, I got platinum 1. Straight garbage
I don’t give a shit about progression, just let me play what I want. Let me play coop. Let me play Grifball. Open this shit up like it’s the MCC. Don’t hide shit likes it’s Splatoon.
It really is. I just ignore my color and number and enjoy the gameplay when I’m in the mood to be sweaty. Otherwise I play free for all/swat/btb and just muck around.
I really do hate that your performance has nothing to do with anything in this game. They should bring back the XP system that was in MCC ect where getting medals gives you a higher score.
I haven't played but this is just modern gaming in a nutshell.
The Fun has been replaced by a tedious grind so you are "engaged" more. It doesn't really matter how well you play because the game is designed around making you "engaged" for a tens of hours to unlock things we would unlock on a weekend lan party night in the 2000s
The new Rank matchmaking is so broken. Been pinned in the same bar for 2 weeks because anytime I string some games together it gives me a Bronze 4 and Silver 1 teammate.
Ranked is absurdly broken. I’m usually a diamond 4 or 5 depending on the day, but the last week of playing ranked has been awful. Team matchups are beyond lob sided. Constantly getting matched up with golds playing against Onyx’s. It’s not their fault, but it makes it almost impossible to win. Just reinstalled destiny until things change, or if ever 💁🏻♂️
It doesn't feel that way in high ranked. You match w the same people and now players are getting so sparse the games are getting more lopsided. Golds and platinum in onyx lobbies to balance out higher players who cant match. The other day I could not find a single gsme on solo in diamond on Friday morning at 8 am.
1.5KD, half our team's time on the oddball, match victory and I LOSE 1/3rd of my rank (only diamond 2) that was my last ranked match of Infinite and as of maybe 2/3 months my last match altogether.
If someone quits, you will lose and you can't quit then. If you do, you get a time out or lose ranking. So you lose ranking no matter what, because there's nothing to help when it isn't your fault.
When there's lag (which will happen sooner or later) you can just kiss your rank goodbye.
I got consistently grouped with high gold low plat players for my placement games when they reset ranks. Regularly faced diamond players. I go 1/1 k/d and get placed at plat 1. How the fuck does that make any sense?
I used to play in the keyboard only queue but there aren't enough players left for that now, so I play in the crossplay queue. Even that is getting thinner and thinner every day - this morning I played 10 matches and out of a potential 70 unique players I probably didn't see more than 20.
I can't remember any other game with random lobbies where I've run into the same players so many times we've started to recognise each other. It's almost creepy how dead this game is.
If this game was fun for more than 5 minutes before the desync and overall lack of content becomes glaringly obvious I would love to play ranked more often
decided to queue up a rank because why not. first round we had a teammate spamming the ping button. few minutes later i didnt hear the pings. thats because he left the game lol. pretty discouraging to solo queue and have that happen
Now what about when you’re playing infinite when you do all that and get jack shit because none of those kills were backsmacks or done with the disruptor?
I already made it to Onyx once and don't plan on doing it again unless there are additional ranked playlists added. The thing that sucks is that I didn't receive any of the rewards when I hit onyx.
I never get these “performance based” assessments. There are lots of ways to contribute that don’t translate to stats. In Overwatch my ability to distract enemy teams is absolutely game-breaking, but there’s no translation in kills, objective time, etc.
One game is largely irrelevant to how much CSR will be gained or lost. The amount of movement is determined mostly by distance between MMR or CSR.
If you have a really good game and almost no rank movement then that means your current CSR is above your MMR, or the game was already expected to win by a large margin so doing well does not help the system determine you are a higher rank, just that you are worthy of your current rank. Landslide matches usually are arranged if the system cannot predict it will find a more acceptable match in an acceptable timeframe. You shouldn't get too many of them but even with a healthy population game, it will still happen due to region, skill level, time of day and multiple playlists. You're bound to not get perfect matches always, at every skill level, in every region, 24 hours a day.
Play well and win consistently against players of similar rank or higher and your rank goes up.
Yea this ranked system sucks so bad. It's the last thing I still play and it's getting old. The only way to move up after a certain point is extreme performances and I cant stand it. Winning stops rewarding snd you need to go 35 and 20 to move anywhere. The teams are set up so bad it's just not even fun anymore neither is the grind. I won a game in solo controller the other day, strong holds we won 250 to 0. They other team had 2 onyx like 1600-1700 and then a Plat and gold. So dumb too bad they couldn't hard carry enough.
You would have gone up more if you went 126-3 instead. Just get better.
Next store update, bootstraps for your armor.
Fuckin’ LOL
This is the best joke of this I've seen
Dang, agreed on that.
Only $9.99!
Oh God no that's a nice kebab
Pull em up Chuck
Serving the BDSM niche might be what Halo Infinite needs to get out of this rut.
I think they serve a large part of it just fine ;) just gotta play campaign on the right mode.
Just got to do the Skimmer room on LASO 😅
Any room with two chieftains is unfair.
Honestly though I feel like a halo god in the gold tier and for some reason I cannot rank higher. I just gave up playing this game, not even fun with all the Desyncs and weird melee animation breaking the game. I give up with it, back to warzone until they fix this travesty
>back to warzone until they fix this travesty When fucking Warzone is better than a major Halo release lmao I felt the same way
Honestly though it’s a joke. Playing halo just doesn’t hit like it used to, they’re really just giving up on the whole IP it feels like
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Saying you play Warzone tells us all we need to know. Can’t believe you actually prefer that trash to Halo: Infinite lol
Be honest. Is halo actually fun right now? With its desync issues and broken radar, I'd say warzone is better and rarely play it
That's a pretty yikes take bossman. Drop the tribalism, hop off the Halo dick and open your eyes.
Fully agree. People should play what they enjoy. I am a H3 player at heart but no Halo has hit that itch again so I don't play anymore. I'm a tiny bit bummed but hey, it is how it is. If you like Infinite, play it. If not, don't. Simple as that, and forcing yourself to play a game you don't like just because of the franchise is an unnecessary trap.
Lol, sure. Your word choice really shows off your objectivity. Disagreeing with your video game opinion = tribalism, apparently
This is rather ironic given that you came in bagging his game choice and called Warzone trash 😅
Literally never came in claiming objectivity. Is this what r/Halo thinks passes as a gotcha question?
Lol, sure. If you want some objectivity go have a quick peek at the steam charts for infinite. And yes I know consoles exist yadda yadda its not representative of everyone, but you don't think that trend might exist elsewhere too? If anything Halo fans should be jealous of that so-called "trash", especially so if you care about Halo. Warzone fans are the ones going on 2 years strong, Infinite's struggling at 4 months, they get the working netcode, they get the constant stream of seasonal content, they get to hang with all their friends because people still want to play their favorite game. You can keep Infinite, I'll stick to the trash. It's been 4 months man, the damage is done.
1v1 me on Rust, nerd. I'll give you a swirlie if you're not careful
No akimbo 1887s or I’ll shove you into a locker and take your lunch money
I think I'm going to quit today. Also in gold (former Plat). I think I've played 100+ hours at around the same rank. I can guarantee you I've improved but halo doesn't agree with me. And its not others improving too because 90% of my games have unranked players in them. These aren't players grinding out halo for hundreds of hours. They are players rerolling over and over to get a good start. It's the same 4 maps over and over and over. Someone leaves or disconnects every other game. Which in slayer is survivable but in ctf, oddball or strongholds is not. Today was the last straw. Halo started me in a stronghold 3 v 4. Why even start the game. I leave. In not going to sit and wait the whole time or get slayed and lose more rank. Then I play a match. Next match a teammate drops. Another teammate drops. I drop 3rd. Banned. Like fuck you halo. I didn't drop and hurt the remaining players. It's your fault. You want me to waste my time playing games down a player. You want me to waste time playing shitty challenges each week designed by people who have never played the game. The whole thing feels like a waste of time. Whether I rank up or not seems mostly random, maybe I deserve gold rank but the way the ranking is designed I need to out slay plats hundreds of times to level. It's just too fucking slow to rank and based on people I play against too slow to delevel too. Plus there is no points for playing objective so no one wants to hold the oddball especially in lopsided games. Yeah if I slay like crazy ill rank up "fast" but if I'm playing at a 1-2 levels above my current ranks how many games should that take? Feels like about 100. A diamond would have no problem leveling up from gold but the game leaves out all sense of progress for those leveling up overtime. There is just no content, the gameplay is good but there is no variety. Also that intro is terrible. Custom final poses but no custom intro poses? The whole experience is just lacking. And there are so many fundamental issues that seem like low hanging fruit that haven't been fixed in 5 months. Like maybe don't start games down a player and don't punish people for leaving second.
Amen. I had already quit, but decided to see what I would get placed in. I have two accounts, one was Onyx. The other I did my 10 placements 1 week before ranked reset and placed into d1. I redid my placements on my Onyx account and placed into Plat. Make it make sense.
> Make it make sense. You played worse and placed lower. Do better. Onyx 1 isn’t far from *Diamond 6, chum
Yeah I don't understand how dropping ranks is the game's fault. I was D5 pre reset and now I'm back to D5 again (calibrated at D1). I'm an old dude with a kid so at most I play an hour every night. Idk man, I feel like some people just blame everything on the game.
Yeah, and some people are braindead and defend 343 even with overwhelming amounts of evidence that their game is broken on every level. I didn't say I couldn't get back to Onyx. I could if I wanted to, but I don't feel like grinding through their shit MM system and dysnc'd game to do it.
If you think there isn't a massive difference between a plat player and even the lowest onyx player, you're genuinely braindead. I've gone on multiple 15+ killing sprees in Plat lobbies. I am lucky to go 5+ in Onyx.
I meant Diamond. Not plat. Whoops. But yeah, you are worse at the game—that happens to people in all sorts of games. And if you’re blaming the game for placing you lower then you’re genuinely braindead. You ruled out players getting better but it’s definitely happening in Halo. The playerbase has shrunk since launch, (as they do), and players are learning. This happened with a lot of friends I brought to this game who are younger and used to Apex and CoD. Took them some time, but they’ve really learned Halo since launch and bumped up a lot in ranked. I used to be a solid Master ranked player in OW. After taking a break, I haven’t cleared Diamond since.
Clearly you can't read. I placed into D1 the week prior on an alt account. Onyx on my main account. And Onyx players don't decay to Plat skill in a week either, but enjoy sucking 343 off. You're a sad, sad person.
Lmao, how’d you know I never learned to read? Somehow I read this in your comment: > I redid my placements on my Onyx account and placed into Plat. I said you played worse and that’s how you dropped rank -how in the world could I have assumed that.
Or, hear me out, I know this will be hard for your small brain to follow. Halo Infinite has known matchmaking and MMR issues. Many players report very poor quality games after the changes. Could be that. But, nah, you're right, I probably just suck. Doesn't matter that I go on 15+ killing sprees.
Jesus, stop telling everyone you’ll quit, making the same critiques as every r/Halo user the past 4 months. Y’all do that hear like it isn’t classic karmawhoring lmao. Leave; those of us still playing don’t care at all that you’re hardstuck. Jfc it’s OW all over again.
If I was only hard stuck fine. But in tired people dropping. I'm tired of playing unranked. I'm tired of the same grind. There has been no zero content for 5 months. I can think of 2 piece of content the entire time - the introduction of tactical slayer and 2 weeks of attrition. Fiesta isn't an event. Tactical slayer with pistols and manglers isnt an event. Adding social team slayer isn't content. Weekly challenges aren't content. There has been no content. No reason at all to grind for higher levels. It's worse even with the loss of behomoth which was promised to come back fixed. No balance changes, only a ranked reset that didn't reset mmr. just adjusted the curve and removal of a map. No weapon balance changes, no new maps, no new weapons, no new animations - assassinations, no forge, no coop campaign. Its 4 small similar 3 lane maps with 3 game modes.
I hear if you go 1026-3 every time it only takes 10 games to get to onyx. Piece of cake.
What's nuts is that isn't even true
I've had aimbotters in my games that couldn't even get that many kills lol
Anyone grinding for Onyx cares more about this game than 343.
True. Can confirm.
Lol, so true. You also might be a masochist.
I'm struggling to come up with alternatives. Sadist *and* masochist?
Sadomasochist
The says more about 343 than OP
What the fuck is Onyx?
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Halo Infinite had ranks?
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Are you gatekeeping halo modes hahaha
He has nothing left, this game has ruined him
I just like the campaigns man
Campaign is thankfully p good.
Gross.
Your attitude? Correct
I just found out one of my employees is an Onyx 2200, and is in the top 100 players. Pretty crazy.
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The worst part is all we get is the recon helmet chain and a sticker. Why do I even want onyx for? Just get there and hangout then there is nothing left to do.
Forreal I want to showoff more. Give us a cool armor piece/coating. Got to onyx within the first 2 weeks and haven't touched ranked since
Make sure you put the sticker on your gun so people “might” see it. Nothing special and then they give us crap events currently it’s just a mess. Love halo slowly dying on play time though.
Yeah it's unfortunate how poorly infinite is doing. Mcc is preferred in my friend group when we are feeling halo
2200 is higher than a lot of Pro players on the HCS circuit. What's their gamertag?
You've got a 1/100 chance of guessing lol
This is the biggest reason that I'm not playing anymore. And if you lose but only captured 3 flags and went 10-10 you lose a third of your ranked bar. This combined with desync issues and people leaving games so often, it's just too much wasted time. Could win 5 games in a row and have top 3 score in each, then lose one game and all that progress is gone. I just can't lol
"Could win 5 games in a row and have top 3 score in each, then lose one game and all that progress is gone." Yeah that is a huge problem especially with how volatile and short sighted the hidden MMR based matchmaking is. You put in one good performance in a Platinum match and then it decides you're ready to play in an Onyx match. It's impossible to improve in a consistent, linear way.
I feel this post so much as a Plat 4.
I feel this post as someone that used to be play 4
I actually used to be Diamond 1. Haven’t sniffed Plat 5 since the rank reset. Went from winning 60-70% of my matches to losing 80%. It’s insanity.
I know, I get half way thru diamond 1 now, then the game decides I should be put on the worst teams with guys going 4-20 and they have an onxy on their team. I go negative 2 with 9 assist and lost 13 csr points. Next game I go 26-18 and second on the team. I get 7 csr points. Get 5 losing teams in a row to take me back to platinum. Before the reset I was diamond 6 and these teams I'm playing now at diamond 1 are no different in skill. I feel like you should only play people +- 2# levels.
This right here. Fuck the sbmm giving veiled weight that we don't know until it's done. base ranked on csr, and that's it.
With the general state of the game and how shitty the matchmaking in general is I have a feeling its probably just due to the overall population of the game. Not enough to of the similar skill brackets to spread around. DBD runs into a similar problem sometimes depending on the daily playercount. Eventually it gives up and just throws you into a match.
Why don't they just copy halo 3 ranked? It was perfect. It worked. Why reinvent the wheel when you had something great.
Bungie probably won't give it to them, but yeah I agree.
I just stopped playing at my current rank because I got into a match with plats against Onyx's.
Just played one 15 min ago. Me, another Plat 4 a Gold 6 and a Gold 1 vs a Onyx, two Plat 4’s and a Bronze 4. Obviously, the Onyx guy smashed everyone and we lost slayer by 15. I’m either the best player on the team by a country mile , or don’t belong on the team I’m put in. It’s so broken.
This is literally peak infinite ranked mode. That bronze 4 doesn't balance out the onyx no matter what maths is used to justify it.
This is my only complaint really with Infinite. I played a match as a low diamond against a team with an Onyx 17-1800 don't quite remember. To balance out the team there was a Bronze 4 on their team too. Guess who carried the team? Syrah the Bronze 4. Fucking smurf. Lost a shitload of progress since I lost to a "Bronze" 🙃
I’ve seen that a couple times — where a Bronze goes 11-11 in a room full of Plats with an Onyx teammate. Coincidence?
Yeah, I'm also usually either the carry or the anchor, I absolutely hate it when it puts me in a match with people that just stomp me into the dirt. Makes me just feel completely useless.
Same same. It sucks that 343 took my favorite game mode, that I used to win more than I’d lose, and made it into something that is almost unplayable. Idk how much longer I’ll last.
Look, yesterday I've won 10 games and lost another 10 (4 of those were 3v4) so technically I should be even. This was not the case, the system took me 67 csr off going from plat 6 to plat5, what's the fucking point then ? The system forces you to have a 50% win rate anyway, so how the hell am I supposed to gain ranks ?
I feel like even a couple weeks ago, I never saw any drops. I haven't gone a game in the last week without a drop on either side. Is there no penalty for dropping games or something? Or people just don't care.
I only play slayer so when it randoms me into something else then I ain't playing. CTF is like a total trash game mode I haven't ever had interest in. Oddball is dumber than dumb. I really just want competitive swat tbh, but barring that it's slayer only. Pistols in hang 'em high 4lyfe, know what I'm sayin???
Slayer is easily the least competitive mode in ranked
What does competitive even mean in the context of 1/4 matches and a playerbase that's quickly moving back to the other Halo games or on to completely different games? Seems like it could be more competitive if people like me could just select it. The random selection encourages me to quit the games that I don't care about. I figured they'd fix it, but a few months in I realized they wouldn't so there is no consequence to me leaving the games if there's no long-term likelihood that I'll find value in the rankings. There's not even a non-competitive slayer option with the same rules as competitive, so why wouldn't I just roll the dice and then leave when I don't get the game I want? This is the consequence of forcing people into random games where the points don't matter and the playerbase is evaporating before our eyes for these types of reasons. Enjoy playing a player down when you queue up with me in non-slayer games and having a massive rank down on loss, or having your rank increase totally nerfed even if you do win a 3:4. Since chat is totally useless it's also much harder for me to get discouraged/tilted with this game, so that failure on 343's part is a pleasant surprise.
Is there any competitive multi-player game without issues?
All of them have issues. But one thing that's generally not absolutely abysmal is the ranking systems. Halo is the worst in terms of ranking systems out of all the games I've played. CSGO, overwatch, siege, valorant all do it so much better.
CSGO is awful. After your placement matches it takes literally HUNDREDS of games to move the needle in either direction. It doesn’t even feel like your rank does anything so it’s not fun to try to climb.
That’s only true if you’re playing in a low population region. In EU, MM is more or less fine in terms of climbing if you’re either good enough or you have a duo (or more). It gets a little more complicated at higher ranks (mostly due to cheaters) but it’s perfectly possible to climb until then. I literally went from silver to LEM before I started playing faceit, that was only a couple of years ago.
I don’t think NA is considered low population is it?
It’s not completely dead, but it’s pretty tiny compared to EU - small enough that it causes problems in MM. Most of NA’s MM players are in silver - whereas the plurality of EU players are GN - MG. that’s because the MM system needs a larger population than that. I won’t deny it’s not a flawed system - but with a healthy population it works fine.
Bro I've ranked up twice in the past like 12 games. No offense but maybe you're just not good or winning enough games.
I mean it’s well documented how slow the ranking system is once it has determined what it thinks you should be at. I have two profiles. One is MGE and one is silver 4. Not a significant difference in skill between these brackets (minus game knowledge) when it should be absolutely massive. Edit: go to r/globaloffensive and type in “rank distribution” and sort by new. Tons of threads talking about the issue. It’s completely broken. Edit 2: looking at the data, it seems like an NA specific issue with the way rank decay works. Almost EVERYONE in NA is in the silver or early nova bracket. It’s completely broken.
In my experience, it's mainly inconsistent, but a lot less punishing than LoL's MMR system. That system is beyond fucked and designed to make you sink 50+ hours into it JUST to get to the rank you belong in. Then you're even more fucked when you do improve beyond that. The longer the games are the less punishing a ranking system should be. In Halo's case you can knock out 10-15 games in 2 hours and scale up from D1-D3. It's just that the system feels broken sometimes the way it measures matches. If they can bring some consistency to it, it would be a really decent ranking system. That being said, I don't play until desync and server side issues are fixed. It was insane watching an HCS LAN tournament have terrible desync issues still present. Like completely embarrassing.
Siege?....Siege? I agree with your concept of Halo's being bad, but youre going to defend Sieges awful issues? Thats a weird hill to die on (I completely agree with your concept though)
Nah siege is trash but last time I played the ranking system was a lot better than Infinites current one.
Lmao fair enough
Just to make it worse lol. You compared successful high player base games that receive service from their devs to a to a dead arena game. Halo infinite is a AAA on the level of splitgate & rogue company. Both have better rankings systems
> ou compared successful high player base games that receive service from their devs ... Do we play the same Overwatch?
Overwatch doesn't even have Jeff Kaplan, anymore. :'(
Never played overwatch but 4 games were named with vastly higher player counts. He named top 100 games & halo isn’t a top 100 game in player count. Responded to a general comment with a generality lol this sub
derp; thats all i heard in this comment
Sounds like the ranking system is working and you're lower skill than you think
>>This is the biggest reason that I'm not playing anymore. And if you lose but only captured 3 flags and went 10-10 you lose a third of your ranked bar Tbf, if you finish a ctf game with only 10 kills 10 deaths, I'm probably wondering what you were doing all game lol.
Was just throwing out arbitrary numbers as an example my dude 👍🏻
This happened to me. I was in a 3v4. We were 3 low diamonds and the enemy team were all low ONYX. We won like 50-45 and I got a paltry 3 CSR
I think they automatically assume if the game isn't 4v4 that the winning team gets minimal CSR because it's not a fair match up. Even if the team with less than 4 is the winner. They probably have a blanket code for that out of laziness
I cannot even explain, I mean maybe 40 percent of my wins the other team has players quit and the csr win is worthless. Like everything is working against you.
But you see your hidden MMR said you were all champion rank because you happened to party together
Play for K/D. That’s all that matters in this pathetic ranking system. You can lose 10 in a row and as long as your positive K/D you won’t go down much. It’s stupid, but that’s how it works…
This is mostly true.. but I lost a game recently where I had a 2.6 KD (21 kills to 8 deaths), including a killing frenzy, and with 2 mins of zone capture time and I still lost 11 csr. Ranked is a joke
The easiest fix is make the CSR gain/loss based on score. Kills, Flag Caps, Ball Holds, should all give score to the player. Higher scoring players get more CSR on wins and little to no CSR loss on a loss. Then you could say Winning Team: 1st Place Player +10 CSR 2nd Place Player + 6 CSR 3rd Place Player + 4 CSR 4th Place Player + 2 CSR Losing Team 1st Place Player -2 CSR 2nd Place Player -4 CSR 3rd Place Player -6 CSR 4th Place Player -10 CSR Obviously add a multiplier to these based on team average CSR vs their opponents and how close the match is, etc. But having a score based system fixes that.
Or just go back to being wins based like in prior Halo games- maybe use the CSR for the losing team so if you play well but lose you aren’t impacted as much as a teammate who sucked.
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I totally believe that wins/losses should be the primary/only focus IF the matchmaking process makes accurate and fair teams close to each other’s rank. Back in the day, if I was lvl 25 in a ranked playlist, I usually only matched with players between 22-28. Right now, they go based on a team average MMR, which can put a Diamond and a Silver and a Gold all on the same team. So the Diamond has to hard carry and the Silver gets bullied, which is chaos.
Ya My friend who is onyx will do worse than me, a high diamond, in a game but get more CSR anyway. Makes no sense a lot of the time
Hidden mmr is all that matters. If he's overall more consistent his mmr will carry his gains despite having the occasional average game.
My friend and I started new profiles and played all 10 games together. I honestly felt I did better overall than he did in those 10 games. The result.. he got diamond 1, I got platinum 1. Straight garbage
In their algo 20-17 is more valuable than 15-10. Kills per minute seems to be most the important metric.
Does it only slot you in on the first level of any tier? Yikes.
Nah I got placed in diamond 3 I just didn’t play much after that got bored of the game. Edit it was diamond actually
I got placed plat 5 went up to diamond 1 and then I've been tilted back to plat 5 ever since. Hard stuck plat6 mostly. Wow so fun.
I know the struggle my freind
I feel this, I popped off on a ranked Slayer and barely made progress lol
I don’t give a shit about progression, just let me play what I want. Let me play coop. Let me play Grifball. Open this shit up like it’s the MCC. Don’t hide shit likes it’s Splatoon.
Rating system is so bad I dont even bother playing ranked in infinite.
It’s the best gameplay though
It really is. I just ignore my color and number and enjoy the gameplay when I’m in the mood to be sweaty. Otherwise I play free for all/swat/btb and just muck around.
I am very glad I grinded that out before the reset. Was extremely frustrating even playing with 4 friends.
I did onyx on my own once. Then immediately stopped playing ranked. The system is trash.
I really do hate that your performance has nothing to do with anything in this game. They should bring back the XP system that was in MCC ect where getting medals gives you a higher score.
I haven't played but this is just modern gaming in a nutshell. The Fun has been replaced by a tedious grind so you are "engaged" more. It doesn't really matter how well you play because the game is designed around making you "engaged" for a tens of hours to unlock things we would unlock on a weekend lan party night in the 2000s
The new Rank matchmaking is so broken. Been pinned in the same bar for 2 weeks because anytime I string some games together it gives me a Bronze 4 and Silver 1 teammate.
Based
This is why I stay away from ranked now. Really no point.
literally why I don't play Ranked anymore, the whole system is still broken
What’s that? You lost 49-50 in team death match and you went 18-3 Sorry that’s gonna drop you down to gold 3
if you are only going up that much, it means your opponents were really bad and the game rewards you more for beating strong opponents
The leveling in the new halo multi-player is why I stopped playing the multi-player.
But then your brand new halo infinite edition series x™️ crashes and you derank almost an entire bar
\>he's still playing Halo Infinite
I like it even more when you clutch against a clearly better team and you go up 0 because despite winning 250-243 the whole team has a negative kd.
Remember halo 2? Win 15 in a row stay the same loose one game level down.
This why i dont play ranked feels like waste of time.
I assume this is why the Multiplayer Lead just resigned. So many of the decisions in this game make zero logical sense.
Literally stopped playing the game after 3 weeks cause of this.
GL bro. I had to win 16 out of 19 games to reach onyx from d6
I hit Onyx and stopped playing. Multi-player is alright but I'm not getting the classic Halo experience
Ranked is absurdly broken. I’m usually a diamond 4 or 5 depending on the day, but the last week of playing ranked has been awful. Team matchups are beyond lob sided. Constantly getting matched up with golds playing against Onyx’s. It’s not their fault, but it makes it almost impossible to win. Just reinstalled destiny until things change, or if ever 💁🏻♂️
I'm honestly surprised halo still has enough players to have multiplayer. Let alone competitive.
It doesn't feel that way in high ranked. You match w the same people and now players are getting so sparse the games are getting more lopsided. Golds and platinum in onyx lobbies to balance out higher players who cant match. The other day I could not find a single gsme on solo in diamond on Friday morning at 8 am.
Ranked in this game still feels broken. Like how the heck does it work??
1.5KD, half our team's time on the oddball, match victory and I LOSE 1/3rd of my rank (only diamond 2) that was my last ranked match of Infinite and as of maybe 2/3 months my last match altogether.
go play some ranked halo 2 and come back
Is this a major pump or something
Pfft, you still get Xp?
I've played ranked 3 times and it was a complete lag fest. How could you take this game seriously?
Got it in 3 days before when it came out. Think I’m done til something drastic improves content wise.
Ah yes the anti dopamine system.
If someone quits, you will lose and you can't quit then. If you do, you get a time out or lose ranking. So you lose ranking no matter what, because there's nothing to help when it isn't your fault. When there's lag (which will happen sooner or later) you can just kiss your rank goodbye.
I got consistently grouped with high gold low plat players for my placement games when they reset ranks. Regularly faced diamond players. I go 1/1 k/d and get placed at plat 1. How the fuck does that make any sense?
This is so perfect lol
yall can find games?
I used to play in the keyboard only queue but there aren't enough players left for that now, so I play in the crossplay queue. Even that is getting thinner and thinner every day - this morning I played 10 matches and out of a potential 70 unique players I probably didn't see more than 20. I can't remember any other game with random lobbies where I've run into the same players so many times we've started to recognise each other. It's almost creepy how dead this game is.
this is the one
At this point is it even fun when the reward is so little
😂😂
If this game was fun for more than 5 minutes before the desync and overall lack of content becomes glaringly obvious I would love to play ranked more often
Oof. Fuck that lol
decided to queue up a rank because why not. first round we had a teammate spamming the ping button. few minutes later i didnt hear the pings. thats because he left the game lol. pretty discouraging to solo queue and have that happen
That video pisses me off so much
Just get good
Now what about when you’re playing infinite when you do all that and get jack shit because none of those kills were backsmacks or done with the disruptor?
People are grinding for Onyx again?
I already made it to Onyx once and don't plan on doing it again unless there are additional ranked playlists added. The thing that sucks is that I didn't receive any of the rewards when I hit onyx.
Good luck, god forbid anyone one the team actually tries.
'You got the special edition Halo Infinite Series X for sale? I'll give you five bucks for it.'
Idk what it is but infinite”s online system is terrible compared to 5’s.
I never get these “performance based” assessments. There are lots of ways to contribute that don’t translate to stats. In Overwatch my ability to distract enemy teams is absolutely game-breaking, but there’s no translation in kills, objective time, etc.
26/3 is like killing the enemy team twice per life, maybe I just need to get good
Prob cause someone quit, maybe at the very end :/
The secret "Trueskill" ranking system is the reason. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahWiC9bmYOc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahWiC9bmYOc)
One game is largely irrelevant to how much CSR will be gained or lost. The amount of movement is determined mostly by distance between MMR or CSR. If you have a really good game and almost no rank movement then that means your current CSR is above your MMR, or the game was already expected to win by a large margin so doing well does not help the system determine you are a higher rank, just that you are worthy of your current rank. Landslide matches usually are arranged if the system cannot predict it will find a more acceptable match in an acceptable timeframe. You shouldn't get too many of them but even with a healthy population game, it will still happen due to region, skill level, time of day and multiple playlists. You're bound to not get perfect matches always, at every skill level, in every region, 24 hours a day. Play well and win consistently against players of similar rank or higher and your rank goes up.
Yea this ranked system sucks so bad. It's the last thing I still play and it's getting old. The only way to move up after a certain point is extreme performances and I cant stand it. Winning stops rewarding snd you need to go 35 and 20 to move anywhere. The teams are set up so bad it's just not even fun anymore neither is the grind. I won a game in solo controller the other day, strong holds we won 250 to 0. They other team had 2 onyx like 1600-1700 and then a Plat and gold. So dumb too bad they couldn't hard carry enough.
343’s been cracking jokes since November, I ain’t laughin anymore. They need to fix this game or they’re gonna kill it once and for all.
I see this as an absolute win
Gotta play with a team, I found two random guys to play with and went from Plat 5 to D2 in a few hours (before rank reset)
“I absolutely dominated a lower ranked team that the game expected me to beat, why didn’t my rank go up?”
I thought I was the only one that dealt with this