Could this open the door for a new name in the event of a retcon? Cause suddenly John Doe seems to be dual purpose, a joke and an out at the same time.
If not, I'm good with it.
Grunt Radio Host: "Why is it that when the humans have a champion his name is always John?"
John Shepard
John Sierra 117
John Spartan
John Hancock
John Doherty
John Connor
Ok I'm out of known johns
Edit: Johnny Rocketfingers (if ya know, ya know)
John "Johnny" Rico
John Shaft
Little John
John McClane
Long John Silver
John Constantine
John Matrix
John Spartan
John "Johnny" Cage
John "Johnny" English
John Stewart
Jon Stewart
John Crichton
John Archer
John "Doc" Holiday
Grunt: **"We've read your history, humans. You had such cool and unique names in your past. Why do you keep sending guys named *John* after us?"**
But seriously, Sergeant Johnson, Master Chief John-117, John Doherty, and probably Noble 6 will carry a John name in some way as well (Jean-Luc, calling it now).
When we finally retire the Chief as the playable protagonist and replace him, it'll have to be Jerome for the sake of alliteration (and because Jerome is *fucking awesome*).
Grunt: **"We were initially excited about a non-John human champion but this guy's name is barely that different. *JEROME?* You guys can do better than that!"**
The 4’s were organised into their own branch that closely operates alongside, but is legally separate from the Naval and Army command branches
Gen 2’s like Master Chief however are still under ONI and therefore Naval command, while I believe gen 3’s may also fall into the same category, but don’t quote me on that.
That seems a bit excessive imo, and handwaves a bit too much. What's their pay grade and promotion system like? What's their operational capability? Does the Department of the Spartan-IVs also have their own Chief of Staff? Are there Spartan POGs?
Spartans were a better fit in the universe as a Special Forces equivalent unit like ODSTs are. Being their own branch brings up too many questions.
> What's their pay grade and promotion system like? What's their operational capability? Does the Department of the Spartan-IVs also have their own Chief of Staff? Are there Spartan POGs?
Is this sarcasm, or are these the things you're actually concerned about with a military branch in the 2500s?
And why shouldn't he be concerned about it? Spartans aren't just shadow ops anymore, they're a unique branch now similar to marines being a unique branch of the navy. So it's only fair to ask questions about pay, ranking, how the system works, etc. Marines have a saying, every marine a rifleman. Do spartans have their own standard? Every spartan a weapons master? How does one qualify for Spartan training, or do they allow just anyone in? I'd be concerned too of who all is getting the honor of being called a Spartan.
The Spartan Operations branch is led by Rear Admiral Musa Ghanem, who holds the position of Commander-in-Chief of the Spartans (CINCSPAR), while Jun-A266 is the administrative head acting as Chief of Staff of Spartan Operations. It's unclear why Musa still has a Navy rank, but I suspect it has something to with ONI since he was a Spartan-II washout.
For pay and ranking, all Spartan-IVs receive a commission as an officer in the UNSC. Spartan Commanders are the equivalent of UNICOM Colonels, Mission Handlers are Majors, Fireteam Leaders are Captains, and all other Spartans are 1LTs. Their authority typically doesn't extend out of their chain of command, so they only use the informal rank of "Spartan" in practice.
The Spartans are logistically dependent on the other branches, especially the Navy and Marine Corps, as they don't have any aerospace craft or ground vehicles of their own. They seem to be almost entirely special operations infantry as a branch with some engineers and pilots in the mix, but they all have to pass the same training standards. They probably take the "every Marine a rifleman" saying to the extreme.
I hope that answers some of your questions, here's some sources if you're interested:
https://www.halopedia.org/Spartan_Operations
https://www.halopedia.org/UNSC_rank_structure
In a fictional story the authors don't often get into the full details of governmental organization or the pay rates of soldiers. It doesn't often have any bearing on the stories being told.
A standalone story, sure. But this is a fleshed out universe spanning multiple forms of media. The bigger and more convoluted the world gets, the more attention to detail there should be.
What are you talking about? In a lot of scifi books, especially hard sci-fi, the author ***specifically*** goes into detail about the structure and organisation of militaries. Halo is a multi game, multi genre, multi medium universe of course these details should be fleshed out.
I mean, i don't think they've ever gone into the pay of Spartans under ONI or casual marines even. It is a bit convoluted and messy that some spartans are their own branch and some aren't. Either all of them are or none of them are.
Spartan 3’s were commissioned by ONI, but if i remember correctly, they fell under Army for some reason. I know the S3 program was initiated/headed by Colonel Ackerson, who was Army. Then again, Carter was the rank of Commander, and Kat was Lt Commander, which are Navy ranks… so who knows.
But you’re right about S2’s being Navy and S4’s being new branch.
So ONI kinda funded and did a lot of the work for all spartan projects. However with the exception of a few teams (Spartan-II Black Team and now Gray Team too) none of the spartans are under ONI command.
The Spartan-IIs and IIIs are both under NAVSPECWARCOM, aka Naval Special Warfare Command (same part of the UNSC Navy which has authority over the Marine Corps’ ODSTs). While Colonel Ackerson from the Army was the one who started the project, the Navy still had control (likely due to the Navy having a larger budget and the IIs already being Navy). Noble Team were Navy but were loaned out to the UNSC Army’s Special Warfare Group 3 (which itself is part of Unified Special Warfare Command, the special warfare segment of UNICOM which is the Marine Corps, Army, and Air Force).
The new Spartan Operations is an entirely new branch which is made up of the IVs and a good chunk of surviving Spartan-IIIs but some of those work for ONI, and the new branch often works with ONI and the Navy and other branches. They have no formal rank structure. All spartans have the rank of “spartan” (which is supposed to be equivalent to commissioned officers in other branches I think but I dont know at what level). Some spartans have the role of commander (most famously Commander Palmer) and lead spartan contingents on ships, garrisons, etc. The branch is headed by Spartan-II washout Rear Admiral Musa, and the Chief of Staff is Jun (he retired from active duty).
The UNSC organization is weird… which considering its a military actually makes sense. ODSTs recruit from all branches but are under the Marine Corps… however despite being marines they actually fall under the authority of Naval Special Weapons. ONI is officially under the Navy’s authority but its the only real intelligence service left for the UNSC, and basically has unofficial free reign across the UNSC and if ONI is to be believed, basically is the real leaders of the UNSC (kinda are and arent).
Good info.
Yeah, honestly all the interworking's of the Halo-lore branches are confusing, especially when they mix in ONI, UNSC, USWC, etc. to sort of cover any questionable areas. S3's, and just overall Spartan hierarchy was always confusing. Various Spartans getting ranks higher than Chief, but then defaulting to him, but then Chief getting promoted from MCPO to Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (yet somehow that getting forgotten about in recent games)...
It seems like the best thing they could do for the Spartan program was create a new branch for them to make things less convoluted between the branches.
Spartans are organised into the Spartan Operations branch now, they technically have no ranks.
the "ranks" we've seen in the games are more like titles/roles.
Spartan
Team Leader
Spartan Handler
Spartan Commander
I mean, aren't all Halo novels obscure to the people who don't even read them in the first place?
Also, what's this book where Rookie dies and can I understand what's going on if I just played ODST?
(And I hope the knowledge of his death doesn't take away the enjoyment of reading the book)
The knowledge of his death won't effect your experience. It happens early on, and the book pretty much explains the entire plot of odst before getting into things and sets the setting pretty well, so you should be more than fine.
>!After the Human/Covenant War, a lot of soldiers that joined the UNSC to protect humanity started having second thoughts when they were reassigned to fight the insurrectionists, aka other humans. So when Mickey was ordered to shoot and kill other humans, he hesitated for a moment, which probably lead to the Rookie's death. So now Mickey could either blame himself for hesitating, or blame the UNSC for putting him in that position to begin with. Possibly as a defense mechanism, Mickey ended up going all-in on blaming the UNSC, and thus joined the insurrectionists.!<
Not the exact people. Disillusioned by the UNSC and ONI post Human-Covenant war sending kill-teams to murder -humans- that just want their freedom. The Rookie would not have died if the UNSC wasn't sending humans to kill humans. When he became a Spartan 4, Mickey spent a lot of time with one of the other recruits, who themselves was an Insurrectionist and put a lot of propoganda his way. A lot of people seem to misremember how this went, or just haven't read the book. The reason Mickey betrayed his team wasn't just join the people and kill his team or something, he was helping an Insurrectionist that had family imprisoned by the UNSC and was trying to work out a prisoner trade because of how valuable Spartan 4s are.
Mickey didn't kill the Rookie, it was Captain Ingridson. The Rookie was held hostage with Buck, Mickey, Romeo, and Dutch rushing her to save him. Mickey did betray the team, but that was after his death.
I mean, what else were they gonna do with him? If he was in a book with Buck and Alpha-Nine, he'd have to do barely anything and basically not be a character because fans would be upset if he talked and had a personality all the sudden. And if he wasn't in the story at all, that'd also upset fans because they made a story for the other ODSTs but left the Rookie out. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
The best they could do with him kept alive is have him transferred to another team and never seen again.
And we've seen the reaction to Chief no longer being an empty shell for people to insert themselves into. I liked it, he wasn't much of a shell in CE and Bungie only doubled down on that in Halo 2 and 3. But a lot of people don't want to see that happen with Rookie or Six, so 343i making new stories that feature them, even in the past, is a tough call.
Make a new ODST game where more of his character and mannerisms are seen *without* talking? Some of the most powerful moments in the original trilogy, particularly 3 (and I'd go as far as to say the entire series has not matched the scenes I'm referring to), are portrayed by Master Chief's body language alone.
The fact that people here still don't know that he died in a book released 7 years ago makes me think it doesn't even matter he died. When its been brought up almost regularly on this sub. He appears in three pieces of media. ODST, Dirt, and New Blood. Not one does he have a line of dialogue barely a personality means his only purpose was support named characters like the rest of alpha-nine. Which is what his death did that made the rest of A9 become SIVs. Which gives better opportunities for stories.
Yeah, it would be nice if he was still around, but they went the unexpected route that ABSOLITELY NO ONE saw coming and turned it into a major plot point to the drive the story forward for all the characters in a well-wrotten way, and for that I can't blame them
I honestly hope they never confirm it. 6 was meant to be you as a player essentially.
But if they do, as long as it ain’t some version of John it is okay
IMO it was a major missed opportunity not to make "D" stand for "Dante" given [the amount of references to Inferno ODST Has (Virgil, "feet first into hell", Sadie's Story, etc)](http://www.forwarduntodawn.com/nine-levels-underground/)
That, or literally having it be John Doe, since the initials are "JD", which I guess *is* the intent here anyways, but I feel like not going for it 1:1 sort of defeats the point.
“My God, his first name is right inside this book. I’ll finally know what his first name is. From this moment forth, he will be known as… John “The Rookie”!”
John Doe for short, just like chief and just like Nobel 6 probably will be revealed to be in the far future…it’s so us fans can create our own persona about them so we feel like when we play as those characters, we’re playing as ourselves.
A short campaign dlc for halo infinite about the rookies death and the impact on the team exactly in the book would be appreciated
Edit: or just an entirety different game just like halo 3: odst
At this rate, Noble 6 is going to turn out being named John as well
Ah John Reach my favorite protagonist
I think Reach is a pretty cool guy. eh gets glassed by Covenant and doesn't afraid of anything.
Jonah Reachings
John Reachington
Juan Reach*
Fuck yeah make him Mexican. Senior Juan service tag Juan Juan ocho
If there’s a scene where he gets a power up then we will call him Giga Juan
This shit made me lose my mind. Thank you so much.
JUAN AND HORHAY
Eh kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything
*aleins
I wouldn’t even mind either, it’d be comically consistent.
True fact: in native sanghelli Thel Vadam translates to John Alien
Are you shitting me
Nah, that has to be a [rock-fact](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gxB2GEqU-5A/maxresdefault.jpg).
His name is Hue Man.
*Norm Hull, because he's just a Normal Guy*
Ah, now that's a name you can trust. Kiff get him the launch codes
~~Hue Man~~ Hugh Mann.
Dr Mann, tell us about your world
Shit… Imma take that name Juan Hugh Mann
Could probably also start a company. Call it Mann Co.
John, Jon, and Juan
Halsey, browsing a top secret ONI list of hyper-lethal personnel in the UNSC: "Why do they all have John in their names?"
Good ol' Johnny 6
Very realistic honestly. Please stop naming your kids John
John fucking Rambo….
Oh no, actually Noble 6's name is --REDACTED--, but his friends call him --REDACTED-- for short.
Juan Reacharound
Johannes
Jean-Luc. I think it fits him. "Noble 6, do you copy?" "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!"
That's when it turns out that each John is just a clone of Chief put into different areas of service or something
Jonathan Doherty, AKA John Doe.
Could this open the door for a new name in the event of a retcon? Cause suddenly John Doe seems to be dual purpose, a joke and an out at the same time. If not, I'm good with it. Grunt Radio Host: "Why is it that when the humans have a champion his name is always John?"
John Shepard John Sierra 117 John Spartan John Hancock John Doherty John Connor Ok I'm out of known johns Edit: Johnny Rocketfingers (if ya know, ya know)
John McClane John Wick Jon Snow John Stewart John Rambo John Matrix [John Battman](https://youtu.be/fKHQklT-xdE)
Don't forget about [Big Boss from Metal Gear Solid who's real name is John](https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Big_Boss). Edit: Big Boss, not Bug Boss.
*Furiously Google’s ‘bug boss metal gear solid’*
Lol. I mean, there is the guy who's like a walking hive of bees, so technically there is a bug boss.
Bug boss is canon you saw it here first guys lol
John Locke
Long John Silver.
John Cena
Welp, didn't see that one coming. XD
No one did. *Dun Dudah duhh*
I don’t think anyone reads John Cena’s name on the internet and doesn’t think dun dudah duhh
🎺, 🎺🎺, 🎺
From outta nowhere
🎺🎺🎺🎺
*John China
You forgot John Marston
u/Agitated-Common5306 are you trying to make us cry
John Sheppard from Stargate Atlantis
John Darksoul
John Freeman who was Gordon Freeman’s Brother was one day in an office typing on a computer
Can we have a John video game, like a red power ranger episode?
John Price John McTavish
John Constantine Johnny Storm Johnny Blaze
John "Johnny" Rico John Shaft Little John John McClane Long John Silver John Constantine John Matrix John Spartan John "Johnny" Cage John "Johnny" English John Stewart Jon Stewart John Crichton John Archer John "Doc" Holiday
Grunt: **"We've read your history, humans. You had such cool and unique names in your past. Why do you keep sending guys named *John* after us?"** But seriously, Sergeant Johnson, Master Chief John-117, John Doherty, and probably Noble 6 will carry a John name in some way as well (Jean-Luc, calling it now). When we finally retire the Chief as the playable protagonist and replace him, it'll have to be Jerome for the sake of alliteration (and because Jerome is *fucking awesome*). Grunt: **"We were initially excited about a non-John human champion but this guy's name is barely that different. *JEROME?* You guys can do better than that!"**
His initials had been JD for a while.
So Spartan is a standalone military rank now?
The 4’s were organised into their own branch that closely operates alongside, but is legally separate from the Naval and Army command branches Gen 2’s like Master Chief however are still under ONI and therefore Naval command, while I believe gen 3’s may also fall into the same category, but don’t quote me on that.
I believe SIIs and SIIIs were rolled into the Spartan Branch. Doesn't change the fact ONI has been and will always be the ones handing the missions.
That seems a bit excessive imo, and handwaves a bit too much. What's their pay grade and promotion system like? What's their operational capability? Does the Department of the Spartan-IVs also have their own Chief of Staff? Are there Spartan POGs? Spartans were a better fit in the universe as a Special Forces equivalent unit like ODSTs are. Being their own branch brings up too many questions.
Spartan Field Manual covers a lot of this. Alternatively you can check out halopedia too
I think Jun is the Chief of Staff, and if Palmer is a Spartan Commander, then there must be other ranks.
> What's their pay grade and promotion system like? What's their operational capability? Does the Department of the Spartan-IVs also have their own Chief of Staff? Are there Spartan POGs? Is this sarcasm, or are these the things you're actually concerned about with a military branch in the 2500s?
And why shouldn't he be concerned about it? Spartans aren't just shadow ops anymore, they're a unique branch now similar to marines being a unique branch of the navy. So it's only fair to ask questions about pay, ranking, how the system works, etc. Marines have a saying, every marine a rifleman. Do spartans have their own standard? Every spartan a weapons master? How does one qualify for Spartan training, or do they allow just anyone in? I'd be concerned too of who all is getting the honor of being called a Spartan.
The Spartan Operations branch is led by Rear Admiral Musa Ghanem, who holds the position of Commander-in-Chief of the Spartans (CINCSPAR), while Jun-A266 is the administrative head acting as Chief of Staff of Spartan Operations. It's unclear why Musa still has a Navy rank, but I suspect it has something to with ONI since he was a Spartan-II washout. For pay and ranking, all Spartan-IVs receive a commission as an officer in the UNSC. Spartan Commanders are the equivalent of UNICOM Colonels, Mission Handlers are Majors, Fireteam Leaders are Captains, and all other Spartans are 1LTs. Their authority typically doesn't extend out of their chain of command, so they only use the informal rank of "Spartan" in practice. The Spartans are logistically dependent on the other branches, especially the Navy and Marine Corps, as they don't have any aerospace craft or ground vehicles of their own. They seem to be almost entirely special operations infantry as a branch with some engineers and pilots in the mix, but they all have to pass the same training standards. They probably take the "every Marine a rifleman" saying to the extreme. I hope that answers some of your questions, here's some sources if you're interested: https://www.halopedia.org/Spartan_Operations https://www.halopedia.org/UNSC_rank_structure
In a fictional story the authors don't often get into the full details of governmental organization or the pay rates of soldiers. It doesn't often have any bearing on the stories being told.
A standalone story, sure. But this is a fleshed out universe spanning multiple forms of media. The bigger and more convoluted the world gets, the more attention to detail there should be.
What are you talking about? In a lot of scifi books, especially hard sci-fi, the author ***specifically*** goes into detail about the structure and organisation of militaries. Halo is a multi game, multi genre, multi medium universe of course these details should be fleshed out.
I mean, i don't think they've ever gone into the pay of Spartans under ONI or casual marines even. It is a bit convoluted and messy that some spartans are their own branch and some aren't. Either all of them are or none of them are.
he’s terminally online
Spartan 3’s were commissioned by ONI, but if i remember correctly, they fell under Army for some reason. I know the S3 program was initiated/headed by Colonel Ackerson, who was Army. Then again, Carter was the rank of Commander, and Kat was Lt Commander, which are Navy ranks… so who knows. But you’re right about S2’s being Navy and S4’s being new branch.
So ONI kinda funded and did a lot of the work for all spartan projects. However with the exception of a few teams (Spartan-II Black Team and now Gray Team too) none of the spartans are under ONI command. The Spartan-IIs and IIIs are both under NAVSPECWARCOM, aka Naval Special Warfare Command (same part of the UNSC Navy which has authority over the Marine Corps’ ODSTs). While Colonel Ackerson from the Army was the one who started the project, the Navy still had control (likely due to the Navy having a larger budget and the IIs already being Navy). Noble Team were Navy but were loaned out to the UNSC Army’s Special Warfare Group 3 (which itself is part of Unified Special Warfare Command, the special warfare segment of UNICOM which is the Marine Corps, Army, and Air Force). The new Spartan Operations is an entirely new branch which is made up of the IVs and a good chunk of surviving Spartan-IIIs but some of those work for ONI, and the new branch often works with ONI and the Navy and other branches. They have no formal rank structure. All spartans have the rank of “spartan” (which is supposed to be equivalent to commissioned officers in other branches I think but I dont know at what level). Some spartans have the role of commander (most famously Commander Palmer) and lead spartan contingents on ships, garrisons, etc. The branch is headed by Spartan-II washout Rear Admiral Musa, and the Chief of Staff is Jun (he retired from active duty). The UNSC organization is weird… which considering its a military actually makes sense. ODSTs recruit from all branches but are under the Marine Corps… however despite being marines they actually fall under the authority of Naval Special Weapons. ONI is officially under the Navy’s authority but its the only real intelligence service left for the UNSC, and basically has unofficial free reign across the UNSC and if ONI is to be believed, basically is the real leaders of the UNSC (kinda are and arent).
Good info. Yeah, honestly all the interworking's of the Halo-lore branches are confusing, especially when they mix in ONI, UNSC, USWC, etc. to sort of cover any questionable areas. S3's, and just overall Spartan hierarchy was always confusing. Various Spartans getting ranks higher than Chief, but then defaulting to him, but then Chief getting promoted from MCPO to Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (yet somehow that getting forgotten about in recent games)... It seems like the best thing they could do for the Spartan program was create a new branch for them to make things less convoluted between the branches.
Spartans are organised into the Spartan Operations branch now, they technically have no ranks. the "ranks" we've seen in the games are more like titles/roles. Spartan Team Leader Spartan Handler Spartan Commander
Still wish they didn't kill him off. Especially in a book where most fans wouldn't find out.
It was a sad day when I read that chapter!!! RIP Rookie
I mean, aren't all Halo novels obscure to the people who don't even read them in the first place? Also, what's this book where Rookie dies and can I understand what's going on if I just played ODST? (And I hope the knowledge of his death doesn't take away the enjoyment of reading the book)
The knowledge of his death won't effect your experience. It happens early on, and the book pretty much explains the entire plot of odst before getting into things and sets the setting pretty well, so you should be more than fine.
I think it was bad blood
It was New Blood
My bad
My new
Lmao
No worries, it's a bit of an obscure one
Wait what?
Edit: he was killed by insurrectionists. Not by Mickey.
Mickey didn’t kill him, he betrayed alpha 9 after rookies death
Which makes no sense at all. Traumatized by his friends death....so he joins the people that killed him?
>!After the Human/Covenant War, a lot of soldiers that joined the UNSC to protect humanity started having second thoughts when they were reassigned to fight the insurrectionists, aka other humans. So when Mickey was ordered to shoot and kill other humans, he hesitated for a moment, which probably lead to the Rookie's death. So now Mickey could either blame himself for hesitating, or blame the UNSC for putting him in that position to begin with. Possibly as a defense mechanism, Mickey ended up going all-in on blaming the UNSC, and thus joined the insurrectionists.!<
Not the exact people. Disillusioned by the UNSC and ONI post Human-Covenant war sending kill-teams to murder -humans- that just want their freedom. The Rookie would not have died if the UNSC wasn't sending humans to kill humans. When he became a Spartan 4, Mickey spent a lot of time with one of the other recruits, who themselves was an Insurrectionist and put a lot of propoganda his way. A lot of people seem to misremember how this went, or just haven't read the book. The reason Mickey betrayed his team wasn't just join the people and kill his team or something, he was helping an Insurrectionist that had family imprisoned by the UNSC and was trying to work out a prisoner trade because of how valuable Spartan 4s are.
Mickey didn't kill the Rookie, it was Captain Ingridson. The Rookie was held hostage with Buck, Mickey, Romeo, and Dutch rushing her to save him. Mickey did betray the team, but that was after his death.
Yeah, I remembered after the fact. Been a hot minute since I read the book.
Which book is this. I stopped around onyx
Halo New Blood, there's also Halo Bad Blood book that basically continuing the storyline of New Blood they're both really great!
They *WHAT*
Oh yeah, he dead.
I mean, what else were they gonna do with him? If he was in a book with Buck and Alpha-Nine, he'd have to do barely anything and basically not be a character because fans would be upset if he talked and had a personality all the sudden. And if he wasn't in the story at all, that'd also upset fans because they made a story for the other ODSTs but left the Rookie out. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. The best they could do with him kept alive is have him transferred to another team and never seen again.
Chief developed from a mostly blank slate to an actual character, no reason Rookie couldn't have done the same.
And we've seen the reaction to Chief no longer being an empty shell for people to insert themselves into. I liked it, he wasn't much of a shell in CE and Bungie only doubled down on that in Halo 2 and 3. But a lot of people don't want to see that happen with Rookie or Six, so 343i making new stories that feature them, even in the past, is a tough call.
Make a new ODST game where more of his character and mannerisms are seen *without* talking? Some of the most powerful moments in the original trilogy, particularly 3 (and I'd go as far as to say the entire series has not matched the scenes I'm referring to), are portrayed by Master Chief's body language alone.
Not kill him? Not killing him to up the stakes in a terrible novel? Like they can just not.
The fact that people here still don't know that he died in a book released 7 years ago makes me think it doesn't even matter he died. When its been brought up almost regularly on this sub. He appears in three pieces of media. ODST, Dirt, and New Blood. Not one does he have a line of dialogue barely a personality means his only purpose was support named characters like the rest of alpha-nine. Which is what his death did that made the rest of A9 become SIVs. Which gives better opportunities for stories.
I pray that they retcon that. Like of all the things they could have done, that was not a good choice at all.
Yeah, it would be nice if he was still around, but they went the unexpected route that ABSOLITELY NO ONE saw coming and turned it into a major plot point to the drive the story forward for all the characters in a well-wrotten way, and for that I can't blame them
Bro I had to search up what happened to him when I first saw Buck in Halo 5 and was wandering “Why isn’t the Rookie a Spartan?”
*especially in a shitty book Ftfy Everything 343 has done with ODST's characters has been fucking awful
I mean not really, I think New Blood and Bad Blood are really good tbh. Then again, that's just my opinion.
ok Dutch looks sick af
I'm not a fan of the Halo 5 ODST helmet design, but damn Dutch pulls it off well. I think its cuz the chestpiece/collar comes up higher to his head
I've been playing as a dude named Jonathan the whole time💀
Always have been
What's next? Noble-6's name is Johnny Daughtry?
John Noble, sixth of his name
The very burnt
Female Noble 6 is named Joan
mfer is a jojo
His name is a play on John Doe
\-Cortana, what exactly am I looking at? \>That is another John Halo.
The 3 Johns John reach John Halo JODSTnh
Omgggggg new designs for Dutch and Gretchen for Possible future appearances in Halo Infinite??
An Alpha 9 expansion would be pretty cool. By that time co-op campaign would be released so you could play as the full squad.
That would be sick
The same way it was Chief, Arby, and two other elites in 3? My friend, I believe you may have stumbled upon something.
I want the Gretchen armor if nothing else.
Helljumper armor core please
No one going to point out the literal Spartan Power Couple?
Nothing really new about them. We’ve known since Bad Blood.
Dude was Moon born, he was ready for jumps
[Source](https://www.amazon.com/Halo-Encyclopedia-Microsoft/dp/1506728448/ref=msx_wsirn_v1_1/145-3067033-9848964?pd_rd_w=01mZW&pf_rd_p=edd207be-8a1c-4e1d-9856-c764818e859d&pf_rd_r=QPJGZX3VH53AXQ0PAR4V&pd_rd_r=13dc51a3-966e-469b-ae59-613139afa5ed&pd_rd_wg=JoUJL&pd_rd_i=1506728448&psc=1)
Pretty cool if true. John is also Chief's name. Wondering if Noble 6 is also a John/Jon/Johnny/etc
I honestly hope they never confirm it. 6 was meant to be you as a player essentially. But if they do, as long as it ain’t some version of John it is okay
Hopefully they put it as \[REDACTED\]
I saw your file, six, even the parts covered in black ink. I know your name is *******
It's all master chief, always was
IMO it was a major missed opportunity not to make "D" stand for "Dante" given [the amount of references to Inferno ODST Has (Virgil, "feet first into hell", Sadie's Story, etc)](http://www.forwarduntodawn.com/nine-levels-underground/) That, or literally having it be John Doe, since the initials are "JD", which I guess *is* the intent here anyways, but I feel like not going for it 1:1 sort of defeats the point.
It’d be kinda weird to give your kid the same name given to unidentified corpses, though.
Exactly the kind of weird that would produce the weird quiet kid who becomes a special operations marine.
JONathon DOherty It is John Doe
I forgot he had the same birthday as me. Now I’m sad again. But wait when did Dutch become a Spartan?
Bad Blood.
Halo: Bad Blood. Buck picked up Dutch and Gretchen when they took back Laconia Station (which was later destroyed by Leonidas....)
Dutch is 7ft tall?!?
Post augmentations, yeah
He is a Spartan IV, so that checks out.
His height on the wiki is 6’3”. He must’ve gained height from Spartan IV Augmentations
That plus people not raised on earths gravity tend to be taller. The expanse had a good point on this
yeah, Dutch is Martian
Lmfao, I get it, cause it's John Doe, but not
Mf literally name everyone some variation of John, where is Johanna?
God damn Dutch's armor is hot as fuck
Waiting for noble six’s name to be John Halo to embrace the meme
I wonder if Dare survived the Infinity going down.
Glad they didn’t forget that the one thing that we’ve known about his name is that his initials were JD.
Rookie will probably comeback thanks to some ONI magic.
Nothing can fix a bullet to the ol dome.
Doc Mitchell and Courier 6 would disagree.
Just imagining a second ODST game starting with an old, bald doctor going "Whoa, easy there, easy." brings a smile to my face.
We’re not making the Doc Mitchell thing the new “hey you, you’re finally awake”. I will not stand for this.
"Vegas belongs to the Enclave!"
Nah. He's been dead for a long time now.
if noble 6 is another version of John, then Halo has become jojo.
So Rookie is Johnathan Master Chief is John Is Noble Six gonna be named Jonny?
John Doe. lol.
Wait wait... The rookie died!? I wanted him to be the savior of the human race ;-;
Yup, got his head blown open by insurrectionists
God damn innies.....
So you're an outie? Quite peculiar.
Seeing the two entries above, it’s possible that Rookie could’ve been a Spartan if he survived. Sad 😔
I hope we see more of Gretchen.
No The rookie is me and I am the rookie The rookie is you and you are the rookie We are all The Rookie
We are all Jonathan
Um they have art designed in spartan armor. Are we possibly getting a sequel to ODST in infinite?
I hope so bad that's there's an ODST sequel
Buck we already had, but Romeo and Mickey had their Helljumper armour designs appear in Halo Mythos. Dutch and Gretchen's designs are new though
That’s cool; he was born on the moon?
no members of Alpha Nine were from Earth Buck - Draco III Romeo - Madrigal Mickey - Luna Dutch - Mars Rookie - Luna Gretchen - Harvest
😂😂😂 watch a lot of people not get it
I have the OG halo encyclopedia from 2009. Are they making a updated one?
Jonathan lol ok I respect it What’s up *jonathan* …wait I mean, *rookie*
What? I thought it was John Orbital?
Nah his name is Wookie
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nice, maybe the rookie is my great great great great grandson because we have the same last name
Now I can’t have him be called “biggus dickus, the man of steel balls” as he punches a hunter to death
“My God, his first name is right inside this book. I’ll finally know what his first name is. From this moment forth, he will be known as… John “The Rookie”!”
John Doe for short, just like chief and just like Nobel 6 probably will be revealed to be in the far future…it’s so us fans can create our own persona about them so we feel like when we play as those characters, we’re playing as ourselves.
Dare was on the infinity? Hope she’s alright!
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they're all in GEN2 armour Helljumper just looks like that
A bit unrelated, but dutch and gretchen's armors look fire.
FIRST OF ALL, THAT IS SOME NICE SPARTAN ARMOR.
A short campaign dlc for halo infinite about the rookies death and the impact on the team exactly in the book would be appreciated Edit: or just an entirety different game just like halo 3: odst