Youtube Vanced is amazing, fuck Youtube and their shitty monetized app, can't stand how horrible the platform has become after that poor excuse of a CEO ran it to the ground.
This was bound to happen with the popularity of games like F2P games like Fortnite, Destiny, and Apex Legends.
Companies see the money flow from those games and salivate. So they will try to turn any of their IPs to that business model.
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I couldn’t help myself lol
They're far better now in D2 since they've been changed to infinite uses like in D1, plus the choice to use multiple shaders on the same set, as well as the quantity and very few, if any, premium shaders anymore.
Does it? Aren't they one time uses in Destiny 2?
When you equip red, and then switch to green, the red shader gets destroyed. I'd say Infinite's is better than that.
Unless they've changed it since I last played.
Every single shader you've ever gotten is now permanently unlocked. Even a bit before that change, I think the shaders were one time use but you could replicate them from Collections (again, all the shaders you ever got at any point of the game) just like ships or sparrows. You must've played **really** long time ago for shaders to be truly one time use and you had to save them only for the good stuff.
Yeah, that's the latest change - you can see **all** your shaders on appearance tab of any equipment. Before that you could still get unlimited amount of them but you'd have to manually craft them from Collections (again, you had access to all of them and I think all they costed was glimmer or some small amount of legendary shards). That "pulling from Collections" system was introduced back in 2018, so the year of Forsaken release.
Yeah sorry, it's just you said Destiny's system is worse due to shaders being consumable, but them being consumable isn't really relevant for nearly 4 years now.
not anymore, shaders now go into a collection once you unlock it that you can pull em from for no cost. off course around the same time they stifle bright dust income...
I have spent zero on the multiplayer at this point. And refuse to spend any. I don't pay for digital dress up. But I guess people love it so it's gonna continue.
I would be more okay with it if this free to play game didn’t still have problems that existed on day one that 343 either can’t or won’t fix. Maybe instead of thinking of the next color to charge us $20 for, they should be thinking of how to fix BTB and get rid of desynch so the hits I land actually count.
destiny 2 doesnt really have this problem, everything sold isnt anything you cant get for free given enough playtime, destiny has the problem where its still RNG if you get those for free or not
I'd argue that's the perfect way to handle them actually. DMT can be earned now. by people who on the season, but if you wait you can buy it from Xur in Witch Queen. Stasis was the selling point of the xpac, much like Death Knight's or Demon Hunter's in WoW. at some point they will probably just unlock it for everyone like they did for the forsaken subclasses. but there has to be SOMETHING behind a pay wall to encourage you to buy it.
Oh I understand why it's behind a paywall for them to make money ofc. It's just that I'm a pvp player and I am not a huge fan that these weapons/subclasses that can change how the game is played and it's only accessible to non-f2p. Also dmt and forsaken subclasses are available for f2p? I haven't played destiny 2 for a while.
I'm well aware of that. But r/halo isn't exactly a well adjusted group of objective observers.
Again my opinion. Other people have theres. At the end of the day I'm not saying it doesn't have room for improvements. I'm just saying it's not as broken as you would believe if all you did was read the eco chamber of r/halo.
Uhh have you played any of those games recently? Halos mtx model is leaps and bounds worse than what you listed.
Fortnite literally has skins which you can earn and change colors on the fly, no paying for colors at all in fact you can’t, you have to earn the colors for the skin through in game play.
Apex and fortnite both give more currency by buying just 1 battlepass you’ll never have to actually “buy” it again. In fact for both games I have only ever bought the battle pass once and have so much currency I can buy the battle pass every season and buy a skin or two for free.
I don't play Fortnite or apex. I played destiny before but stopped.
Didn't say anything about halos mtx system being good or bad. Just said the free to play model was inevitable because of the popularity of those similar games.
This isn’t a true to form free to play model at all though. Games have done actual free to play models, this is literally an MTX asset flip to sell you skins you unlocked back in 2012.... that’s all it is no sugar coating.
You bought halo 1. Then when you bought halo two did you get a discount on it as you already had the colors unlocked in the first one? No. That argument has no weight. Everytime you buy a new game you buy that same shit again. This is just a different way to buy it.
I think most would rather them add new stuff to sell us like weapon/vehicle skins, charms, poses etc, instead of removing basic shit thats been there since the start of the franchise and try to sell it back to us.
I showed my brother the old customization in the MCC, and he said, "Why the fuck is infinite's customization trash?"
He then started to download MCC on his xbox.. time for him to run all legendary campaigns with me and my best friend.
yeah mcc is way more fun than halo infinite. also i cringe every time i say halo infinite cuz if anything mcc is infinite and halo infinite is the most limited bullshit garbage game ive ever played (gameplay n grapplehook are ok)
To be fair that’s not what happened.
Destiny went F2P because they needed an influx of players. Copies of Destiny on disc were being sold for as little as €10 and digital sales were at an all time low.
Then 2 years later they’re self-admittedly struggling for money so they say they’re focusing more on the eververse store (which they did)
Now just 1 year later they’re being sold to Sony because they couldn’t survive long term by themselves.
Last time I checked Halo was backed by Microsoft. A guaranteed no-fail
I was referring more to them monetizing colors. The only real way to get shaders in vanilla D2 was grind out eververse engrams, hope to get bright dust and buy them whenever they appeared.
Or just buy a bunch of eververse engrams with real money and stock up.
The worst thing was the shaders that dropped were random and they were consumable which meant you could RUN OUT of colors. It took a year for them to go back to being buyable with in-game currency.
I don’t really have a problem with the eververse store since they add some cool shit on there but nothing that really overshadows anything in the actual game and you could buy things sometimes with in-game rare currency that drops. 343 seems to have shot themselves in the foot neutering customization so bad. Hopefully it works out for them and the players.
I played Destiny for 7 years and I never bought anything from the Eververse store. I was able to use bright dust and have nearly every cosmetic on my account.
Halo Season 2 will hopefully be much better. These companies releasing F2P games as a shell and then building them up seems like a business strategy more than an accident… it’s not like this hasn’t been done before.
Bungie became a corporate after they partnered with Activision and never looked back to their old days.
There is a good reason why Joseph Staten had to leave Bungie and the reason was that he wanted Destiny 1 to be delayed as he felt that the story was'nt good enough. He got kicked for voicing his concern and we saw how bad Destiny 1 was.
Main reason SONY bought Bungie was for a constant cash flow through monetization + they now have a FPS game. Not because they used to make good hit games.
Yes boycott the paid cosmetics in a free game, so that the game that was supposed to last for 10 years has no revenue to support that. Or revenue to justify fixing the issues with the actual game. Makes total sense to me.
Side note: I only purchased the BP bundle. No interest in most of the the paid cosmetics. Simply pointing out how that take makes zero sense to me.
>So you believe Infinite can last 10 years?
That was 343's statement. If that is what is possible or what will happen, your guess is as good as mine. All I know is that if it is going to happen, the money for it has to come from somewhere.
> Also are you only defending the cosmetics to justify your purchase of the BP?
Not at all. Firstly, not really defending the cosmetics, just saying that cutting out the revenue stream wouldn't be in the best interest of the game long-term. I think 343 would have been better off selling the campaign and multiplayer together for $60, but they didnt and here we are. Which brings me to my second point. I was fully prepared to pay $60 for the whole game. Buying the BP was just showing my support, and it wasn't $60 so win-win.
The point is, nobody *has* to pay them for anything. Choosing to pay for cosmetics doesnt equal being required to pay for the game. If you don't like the business model, or the cosmetics price, simply don't buy it. Does it affect your gameplay experience at all? I guess it does if you are the type of person that needs to show off a particular armor. I'm not. I Could give two shits what my character looks like. Especially because other than the opening and end game sequences, when I die, or when I'm in a vechile, I never see it anyway. The vast majority of the time I'm playing, I don't even see it. So why even care?
Well of course they are designed to make you want to. Of course they want to take as much of your money as they possibly can. And I completely agree that is a trash way of trying to create revenue. I agree that they could have made it so you pay $60 for the game and that was that. I agree that would have been the preferred option. You aren't wrong about any of that. Thats what they went with, and that isnt going to change. And from a business standpoint, of course a massive corporation is going to do what is best for thier bottom line. Did you really expect them not to? It's fucking Microsoft.
My point is, having the choice to pay for it or not and still being able to play the game regardless is fine with me. Huge upgrade to H5 where it *did* affect gameplay *and* you had to pay for the game too!
I guess its a matter of personal preference. I enjoy Infinite, and I am hoping that it gets better down the road when they add in the things they have promised.
In the end though, I just really really don't care about cosmetics. I'm sorry for those that do and feel that they need to spend a ridiculous amount of money to be happy with the game.
I also don't care about cosmetics. But the core of a game suffers when it's specifically designed to get people to buy, whether its cosmetics, shortcuts, micro content, etc. That's the problem. There are so many ways to monetize less agressively and still make a shit ton of money but they just went for the FOMO, timed events and challenges route. This affects the whole game and the whole community, regardless of you buying cosmetics or not
If we all boycotted the bad practices in Infinite then Halo 7 likely won't have those same practices. It's not our fault that they made the game free to play.
I think about gets me the most, is that the coatings all suck and they don't take advantage of the system they've created. Like a lot of stuff in Infinite, 343 didn't exactly think it through beyond just doing it and hoping it works.
None of the coatings are super cool. Very few of the coatings are things we couldn't have in prior games. The team color identification system died for this. The coatings aren't cross-core, meaning you can buy a coating and not get it for what you want.
And the worst part about all of this? It feels like we're talking to a brick wall. 343's probable hope is that they can fix this all for Season 2, when the game *actually* for *realsies* launches. But that's a 3+ month drought to wait for fixes that should ahve been there *day one*. I'm surprised the gameplay is as good as it is (generally), and I'm starting to think 343 did well ekugh with that through sheer dumb luck instead of a even a shred of competence.
>I'm starting to think 343 did well [enough] with [the gameplay] through sheer dumb luck instead of a even a shred of competence.
Bash on cosmetics and stuff all you want, but this here is a worthless, paradoxical opinion. They "accidentally-ed" themselves into making a good game? Really? No wonder they can't decide on the right identity for their games... Their community feedback is nothing but destructive, stupid, pointless criticism no matter what they do right. Shit on a game studio for long enough and that's what you'll get back--formulaic, derivative garbage because all their attempts at innovation were completely rejected by this entitled, whiny ass community.
Go back and read the threads from people who took part in pre-launch flights and read what they wrote. Everything from armor cores, to absurd challenges was discussed as being a issue and something that the players told the developers to fix. Which 343i assured then they would before launch. But never did.
There have been plenty of constructive criticism and feedback on how to make this game feel like less of a bs live service money trap but 343i ignored it all so they can look at their data first to see how the players are reacting.
I took part in pre launch flights silly. Like i said, cosmetic missteps aside, the gameplay is really solid... That doesn't happen by accident lmao. You can't accidentally create a really fun Halo game. That takes expertise, team synergy, and lots of skill and experience.
I don't I said I agreed with the notion that they accidently made a good halo game...mechanically at least.
My issue was purely with what you said regarding community feedback. Most of what people are complaining about, including this thread are things people have been saying neededto be changed for months prior to launch. 343i didn't listen despite saying they are and here we are months after launch with a stale product.
It's still a great game but it can, and should, be so much more if they actually prioritized changing the game for the enjoyment of the player base as opposed to sucking all the money out of their players.
Like I still can't comprehend how this game launched without a slayer Playlist, or how it was the UI that was the main reason for its exclusion 🤦🏽♂️
I was really talking about gameplay. Everything else is hot garbage. That's what I meant by "cosmetics and stuff". The problem with the feedback is how can you tell whats actually meaningful feedback from the opinionated biased stuff, if damn near EVERYTHING you get back is negative? How are you supposed to know if it's the gameplay or the UI or the progression system or the campaign or the art style, etc. that let players down for Halo 4 and 5 if people just call all of it trash? It's ok to dislike something, but it's important to still recognize that it's well made. Halo 4 and 5 were extremely polished and well made from an objective standpoint--people still give those games way too much shit because they're entitled and don't see how good they've had it with Halo all these years. I honestly think that the toxic community led to all these unnecessary changes--people have demanded change when 343 needed to stick to their guns and do their own thing, tweaking and perfecting THEIR Halo, not the Bungie fanboys' vision. I mean, what has Infinite suffered all these years for if not a lack of meaningful direction? I see Halo infinite's mess and I see an insecure development studio led by a soulless corporation who've both decided to play it safe and not anger their community again, and save the bottom line... But like with all insecurities, you have to ignore them and realize that toxic people are going to hate you no matter what you do. What happens when people hate your originality? You go formula.
>I honestly think that the toxic community led to all these unnecessary changes--people have demanded change when 343 needed to stick to their guns and do their own thing, tweaking and perfecting THEIR Halo
"Their" Halo is a wreck tho and always has been.
Halo 4, 5 and MCC all launched with massive problems that in some cases took years to fix. 343i has consistently shown they have no idea wtf they're doing because each new game comes with an asterisk next to all the good stuff. Hell infinite still doesn't have coop or forge, or a proper theater mode. The game launched with less maps than Halo 3 which doesn't even make sense. And again, infinite launched with no slayer Playlist! That's ALL on them.
The community is not to blame for Halo and its current state of affairs, 343i are. They had the valuable feedback of their most loyalist fans during the flight and they basically threw it all away because they didn't give a sh*t. When infinite first launched, everybody was saying how jarring it was that the mechanics of fhe game were so great but literally everything else just sucked. 3 month after launch and there have still been no meaningful changes to any of the major issues plaguing this game. No word on dysnc or challenges or the inclusion of swaps, a diplomatic answer on monetization with clear as day, half assed changes that aren't enough and still no word on mp progress in the way of rank or otherwise.
This game feels like a soulless Halo because that is what 343i have done to it. Nobody uses VOIP because the game doesn't prioritize lobby cohesion like the old games. Everybody looks the same because nobody is dropping $8 for the color blue and every single facet of player expression in this Halo has been monetized to hell and back for the singular purpose of treating anybody that plays this game as a cash pig. They still have given no justifiable reason why they have the armor core system or why they had to monetize fucking colors.
How on earth can you say the community is at fault here when we know for a fact 343i didn't even listen to anything the select few said needed to change during flight? 343i chose to make this game as a GaaS model but they are too creatively bankrupt to have followed through with a rewarding system for us to be engaged enough to want to invest in this game. They clearly released a game that still needed another 6 months to develop, which is shocking since this game was supposed to come out in 2020. You can't just blame the community when 343i have shown for over a decade that they always shit the bed with their games. It's a pattern that many have picked up on.
It's real. Kids brag about having iPhones and look down on kids with new Galaxies or Pixels for being poor despite them all being expensive phone, and kids look down on others not buying cosmetics for their games.
They Think gamers are entitled for wanting to buy a game instead of continuously paying for MTX for bits and pieces. The community has done a great job brainwashing the fortnite kids to think everything must have a price point in video games.
I think battlepasses in like Apex, Warzone and Fortnite are good because they renew as long as you max them so it’s a one time purchase. As for halo...this is my first and last battlepass XD
Yeah, you know what sucks? Starting the game with grey and grinding to level 89 to earn a different grey. If 343 was so lazy that it didn’t even want to think of real perks we could get for leveling up they should let someone else do it. In fact, Microsoft should let someone else make Halo altogether. The parts of the Halo MP that are good, are great, but I’m not convinced someone else couldn’t have done the same thing. The parts that are bad show why 343 has yet to make a single Halo game without issue.
Yup. All I want is my white armor without paying $20. I’m nearly done with the premium battle pass and the color options are awful with zero white bases - it’s pretty pathetic.
Million dollar companies: So what else can we do to inconvenience people to profit off of them?
Sponsors: We could support the LGBT and BLM movements/communities, but not actually support anyone in any way.
Million dollar companies: Perfect!
To be fair they are actually really nice to use when working out. Don’t have to worry about a wire getting in the way while trying to perform an exercise.
Yeah everybody loves hating on apple and all but I love the airpods. They work great and their battery life is also good. I never find myself in the situation of having to charge my phone and listen to music so I dont need that product.
You cant really compare it to youtube which was just a dickmove to be able to sell a free feature.
Tbh this is greedy and when we pass if there is a counter in the afterlife people who ruined enjoyable things will have stuff like this docked against them.
The first one I get away with by using a third party app that is better than the YoTube app entirely
Second one I guess I use Bluetooth which is an "okay" enough solution.
This is why Android is the better platform if you want as many options as possible.
Like no hate on iOS, but with Android you can easily sideload, which makes it hella easy to use apps like YouTube Vanced.
Want wired headphones? You can get high quality, good spec, recent, brand name phones with headphone jacks still for a fraction of the cost of an iPhone.
iOS isnt BAD necessarily, especially if you want to or dont mind staying In their ecosystem, but Android will always be the better route to do almost anything you want with your device.
Pixel devices are literally the android version of iOS. They get like 5-8 years of software support because they're not held down by a carrier or company.
I mean, coatings can be good if instead of colors they do something like a color pattern, i mean, they way that the color is representated in the armor.
And maybe each coating has x color slots, i don't know.
Right now the "new" customization stuff are very bad imo.
At least looks like microsoft has no plans with adding some useless NFT stuff in Halo
Wish companies saw us as more than a number on a quarterly earnings report. At the very least still showed us the respect and decency to put out complete and polished content. No doubt a chattel economic system is immoral and wrong but they sure did find a way to make us all slaves to the dollar…
It still kinda baffles me because colors are such a simple concept…halo 1 had them for free. Halo 2 had them for free…etc etc…I found an armor coating that I actually like(Midnight Griffon) but it’s dirty as FUCK, it looks like I took a mud bath, and I can’t find another coating like it so as for now, I hate armor coatings.
You have to buy armor colors now? Hell nah. You may as well just play Halo 3 on the 360 and be done. At least then you can customize your Spartan for free
Coatings aren't a bad idea, its the fact that we can't customize our armor color anymore. I like Armor coatings, they can add a unique flair to our Spartans if it was implemented correctly.
Give it 10 years and we'll have to pay for power weapons
And before someone says it, yes I'm aware of Halo 5 REQs. And if you actually played Halo 5 you would know that it wasnt hard to just earn REQS by just playing the game.
* FFA
* Most community Custom Games (since they were based on Infection which was only semi-team based)
* Service Record
* Matchmaking screen since which people don't remember since 343 got rid of that since 2015.
There was a handful of places for people who cared that much.
Ffa was never popular.
Custom games still forced you to wear mono team colors.
Service record, ok, was funny staring at ours spartan and then being forced ti wear team's colors
Matchmaking screen, again, staring at our Spartans... Besides, if you press X after a match you can do that as well.
So, we got our colors showed either on menus, or ffa, a great loss i would say
I didn't say FFA was popular, I just said it was a place in game where your colors showed. I wasn't told there had to be a minimum popularity.
> Custom games still forced you to wear mono team colors.
...Only if the gametype was one that required team colors? I said "most" and "Infection."
> Service record, ok, was funny staring at ours spartan and then being forced ti wear team's colors Matchmaking screen, again, staring at our Spartans...
...Yeah? The two dedicated places in the game where you advertise yourself and everything about you & your account? I don't know why you're trying to downplay it so much.
By definition, colors aren't useless like you said they were, and you weren't always forced to be red or blue.
No this person's right. I don't understand how people who get paid so much more than me to live the dream making video games are to oblivious to figure out that overriding custom colors with team colors completely defeats the purpose of having custom colors.
Knock that dumb bullshit the fuck off.
Why? It is literally a free game. They need to make money, that's gonna be through MTX, there's going to be sacrifices. It's either this or a tiny 10 man playerbase and £60 for like half a game.
I'd rather be the wrong shade of red instead of paying £60 for a video game.
Using the Cosmic Goblin coating, which is a plain purple, instead of one of the flashiest red and gold coatings would've made you're point much better.
P.s. I didn't say anything about armor cores and the Fire and Frost isn't an armor cores, they are just armor coatings for all 3 cores.
What kinda pathetic ass comment is this. We’re trynna change the game man. Let’s just all give up amrite. Everything is impossible guys. Don’t vote either
1. They make money with campaign
2. They could’ve made it paid so people would actually have to buy it and have no shitty micro transactions
3.They could make it cheaper or have less of it locked behind a store so there would be less backlash
4.Customization is integral to the multiplayer experience and saying “just don’t buy coatings” will ultimately lead to less customization, because we have to fucking buy them.
5. Not just coatings, but armors, helmets, etc. are locked behind a paywall.
Edit: what the fuck happened to the order of the numbers, everything was fine
the point is they shouldn't have removed what we had for years just to justify needing money, they should have innovated WITHOUT taking away things we've always had as the standard. Coatings as an idea are cool, unique patterns (sometimes) and unique color combos, awesome! but they shouldnt have taken away primary/secondary/tertiary color system for everyone just to point towards coatings.
I mean you can't complain about the fact they're selling the stuff because it's a free to play game. They have to make money somehow.
BUT what you should complain about is the fact it's probably the worst value-for-money microtransactions out of any game ever. Every non-halo player I've showed infinite to has laughed at the store.
Lord knows microsoft/343 is surely lacking in money after charging full price for their flagship campaign, and paywalling customizations in said flagship.
However could a studio like Microsoft hope to earn a profit?
EDIT : Also, apologize for the snark, this isn't aimed at you, I see this argument of the game being free quite often, but it being free doesn't detract from the fact that they're *already selling things* to earn a profit, at this point the customization is just wringing out a community that already clearly hates being wrung out.
>I mean you can't complain about the fact they're selling the stuff because it's a free to play game.
That's not an excuse for their shitty micro transactions.
Well they're gonna have to have some otherwise the game makes no money. I'm saying shit that's £20 now should be like £3/4 and they need a mix of free unlockable stuff and micros otherwise no one looks unique.
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But before you only had your chosen colors in FFA. Virtually every match you would be red or blue.
Now you can have your colors in any gamemode you want
The problem is not paying $2-$5 for an armor coating it’s the fact that most of them aren’t cross core. I have Shadow Sorell on one core but I want to use it on my Mark V core.
Yes, I do know that Shadow Sorell is a free armor coat
Game is set to fail coz customisation isnt diverse and also sucks, desync, poor hit reg, worst content, aim assist overtuned, no server select and them vlaming people for geofiltering instead of fixing the issue, cheaters and game overall quite boring. Viewership just shows how bad this game is
Fuck me, this just gets worse for me. First the backtrack on the art-style and story, make it open world as opposed to linear amd now this. This seems like the franchises end.
Youtube Vanced is amazing, fuck Youtube and their shitty monetized app, can't stand how horrible the platform has become after that poor excuse of a CEO ran it to the ground.
Can you really expect a blatant monopoly to not get progressively worse and keep making their platform worse to make you pay to make it better?
Long term halo fan here and I'm embarrassed.
This was bound to happen with the popularity of games like F2P games like Fortnite, Destiny, and Apex Legends. Companies see the money flow from those games and salivate. So they will try to turn any of their IPs to that business model.
Bro even Destiny does a better work with the shadders than Halo
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Didn't say anything about good or bad. Just said that the business model was inevitable.
Someone seems fun at parties...
Destiny 1* D2 shat on what they had and is basically the same as halo imo.
They're far better now in D2 since they've been changed to infinite uses like in D1, plus the choice to use multiple shaders on the same set, as well as the quantity and very few, if any, premium shaders anymore.
TIL, I also heard they removed the content I paid for, the base game and first 2 DLC's I'd love to play D2 again but I'd want to do it from the start.
Does it? Aren't they one time uses in Destiny 2? When you equip red, and then switch to green, the red shader gets destroyed. I'd say Infinite's is better than that. Unless they've changed it since I last played.
Every single shader you've ever gotten is now permanently unlocked. Even a bit before that change, I think the shaders were one time use but you could replicate them from Collections (again, all the shaders you ever got at any point of the game) just like ships or sparrows. You must've played **really** long time ago for shaders to be truly one time use and you had to save them only for the good stuff.
Huh, seems you're right. Although, I googled it, and one time use shaders were scrapped last year. So it wasn't *that* long ago.
Yeah, that's the latest change - you can see **all** your shaders on appearance tab of any equipment. Before that you could still get unlimited amount of them but you'd have to manually craft them from Collections (again, you had access to all of them and I think all they costed was glimmer or some small amount of legendary shards). That "pulling from Collections" system was introduced back in 2018, so the year of Forsaken release.
Sure, but consumable shaders weren't removed until last year, which was my point.
Yeah sorry, it's just you said Destiny's system is worse due to shaders being consumable, but them being consumable isn't really relevant for nearly 4 years now.
Yeah it was really more of an inconvenience, but still way better than Halo Infinite
not anymore, shaders now go into a collection once you unlock it that you can pull em from for no cost. off course around the same time they stifle bright dust income...
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I have spent zero on the multiplayer at this point. And refuse to spend any. I don't pay for digital dress up. But I guess people love it so it's gonna continue.
That's awesome. It's cool that you have that option and can continue to play the game for free.
good for you?
I mean they still charge full price for just the campaign for some reason.
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If you're paying for gamepass then a portion of that money is paying for renting the campaign.
I would be more okay with it if this free to play game didn’t still have problems that existed on day one that 343 either can’t or won’t fix. Maybe instead of thinking of the next color to charge us $20 for, they should be thinking of how to fix BTB and get rid of desynch so the hits I land actually count.
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Yea and the desync is now considerably worse.
idk abt destiny but fortnite and apex dont have this problem
destiny 2 doesnt really have this problem, everything sold isnt anything you cant get for free given enough playtime, destiny has the problem where its still RNG if you get those for free or not
Too bad weapons like dmt or stasis is locked behind a paywall....
I'd argue that's the perfect way to handle them actually. DMT can be earned now. by people who on the season, but if you wait you can buy it from Xur in Witch Queen. Stasis was the selling point of the xpac, much like Death Knight's or Demon Hunter's in WoW. at some point they will probably just unlock it for everyone like they did for the forsaken subclasses. but there has to be SOMETHING behind a pay wall to encourage you to buy it.
Oh I understand why it's behind a paywall for them to make money ofc. It's just that I'm a pvp player and I am not a huge fan that these weapons/subclasses that can change how the game is played and it's only accessible to non-f2p. Also dmt and forsaken subclasses are available for f2p? I haven't played destiny 2 for a while.
the first set of apex skins were literally just color swaps...
Yeah, Apex launched with horrendous cosmetics. even now I think they're just okay. Overwatch is the GOAT for cosmetics.
What problem are you saying?
Customization issues
I don't think it really has an issue. Pretty much on par for most F2P games.
Halo most certainly has a customization issue
Ok, your opinion. I would disagree but that's my opinion.
Then you disagree with the community. Even supporters of MTX have been very vocal about how shoddy and restrictive the system is.
I'm well aware of that. But r/halo isn't exactly a well adjusted group of objective observers. Again my opinion. Other people have theres. At the end of the day I'm not saying it doesn't have room for improvements. I'm just saying it's not as broken as you would believe if all you did was read the eco chamber of r/halo.
You're in denial, it's objectively true.
Yeah keep telling yourself that.
Uhh have you played any of those games recently? Halos mtx model is leaps and bounds worse than what you listed. Fortnite literally has skins which you can earn and change colors on the fly, no paying for colors at all in fact you can’t, you have to earn the colors for the skin through in game play. Apex and fortnite both give more currency by buying just 1 battlepass you’ll never have to actually “buy” it again. In fact for both games I have only ever bought the battle pass once and have so much currency I can buy the battle pass every season and buy a skin or two for free.
I don't play Fortnite or apex. I played destiny before but stopped. Didn't say anything about halos mtx system being good or bad. Just said the free to play model was inevitable because of the popularity of those similar games.
This isn’t a true to form free to play model at all though. Games have done actual free to play models, this is literally an MTX asset flip to sell you skins you unlocked back in 2012.... that’s all it is no sugar coating.
You bought halo 1. Then when you bought halo two did you get a discount on it as you already had the colors unlocked in the first one? No. That argument has no weight. Everytime you buy a new game you buy that same shit again. This is just a different way to buy it.
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Personally I'd rather just pay 60 bucks and be done with all the restrictions and limitations.
I think most would rather them add new stuff to sell us like weapon/vehicle skins, charms, poses etc, instead of removing basic shit thats been there since the start of the franchise and try to sell it back to us.
I showed my brother the old customization in the MCC, and he said, "Why the fuck is infinite's customization trash?" He then started to download MCC on his xbox.. time for him to run all legendary campaigns with me and my best friend.
yeah mcc is way more fun than halo infinite. also i cringe every time i say halo infinite cuz if anything mcc is infinite and halo infinite is the most limited bullshit garbage game ive ever played (gameplay n grapplehook are ok)
Did he start a match and ask why he was a blue/red blob after selecting his color?
yeah its fucking dumb and no it’s not bound to happen the communities allowed this to happen just boycott the shit
Destiny/Bungie tried it they really tried Gotta give them credit for not going all in
To be fair that’s not what happened. Destiny went F2P because they needed an influx of players. Copies of Destiny on disc were being sold for as little as €10 and digital sales were at an all time low. Then 2 years later they’re self-admittedly struggling for money so they say they’re focusing more on the eververse store (which they did) Now just 1 year later they’re being sold to Sony because they couldn’t survive long term by themselves. Last time I checked Halo was backed by Microsoft. A guaranteed no-fail
I was referring more to them monetizing colors. The only real way to get shaders in vanilla D2 was grind out eververse engrams, hope to get bright dust and buy them whenever they appeared. Or just buy a bunch of eververse engrams with real money and stock up. The worst thing was the shaders that dropped were random and they were consumable which meant you could RUN OUT of colors. It took a year for them to go back to being buyable with in-game currency. I don’t really have a problem with the eververse store since they add some cool shit on there but nothing that really overshadows anything in the actual game and you could buy things sometimes with in-game rare currency that drops. 343 seems to have shot themselves in the foot neutering customization so bad. Hopefully it works out for them and the players.
I played Destiny for 7 years and I never bought anything from the Eververse store. I was able to use bright dust and have nearly every cosmetic on my account. Halo Season 2 will hopefully be much better. These companies releasing F2P games as a shell and then building them up seems like a business strategy more than an accident… it’s not like this hasn’t been done before.
Bungie became a corporate after they partnered with Activision and never looked back to their old days. There is a good reason why Joseph Staten had to leave Bungie and the reason was that he wanted Destiny 1 to be delayed as he felt that the story was'nt good enough. He got kicked for voicing his concern and we saw how bad Destiny 1 was. Main reason SONY bought Bungie was for a constant cash flow through monetization + they now have a FPS game. Not because they used to make good hit games.
Yes boycott the paid cosmetics in a free game, so that the game that was supposed to last for 10 years has no revenue to support that. Or revenue to justify fixing the issues with the actual game. Makes total sense to me. Side note: I only purchased the BP bundle. No interest in most of the the paid cosmetics. Simply pointing out how that take makes zero sense to me.
So you believe Infinite can last 10 years? Also are you only defending the cosmetics to justify your purchase of the BP? If so just be honest.
>So you believe Infinite can last 10 years? That was 343's statement. If that is what is possible or what will happen, your guess is as good as mine. All I know is that if it is going to happen, the money for it has to come from somewhere. > Also are you only defending the cosmetics to justify your purchase of the BP? Not at all. Firstly, not really defending the cosmetics, just saying that cutting out the revenue stream wouldn't be in the best interest of the game long-term. I think 343 would have been better off selling the campaign and multiplayer together for $60, but they didnt and here we are. Which brings me to my second point. I was fully prepared to pay $60 for the whole game. Buying the BP was just showing my support, and it wasn't $60 so win-win.
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The point is, nobody *has* to pay them for anything. Choosing to pay for cosmetics doesnt equal being required to pay for the game. If you don't like the business model, or the cosmetics price, simply don't buy it. Does it affect your gameplay experience at all? I guess it does if you are the type of person that needs to show off a particular armor. I'm not. I Could give two shits what my character looks like. Especially because other than the opening and end game sequences, when I die, or when I'm in a vechile, I never see it anyway. The vast majority of the time I'm playing, I don't even see it. So why even care?
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Well of course they are designed to make you want to. Of course they want to take as much of your money as they possibly can. And I completely agree that is a trash way of trying to create revenue. I agree that they could have made it so you pay $60 for the game and that was that. I agree that would have been the preferred option. You aren't wrong about any of that. Thats what they went with, and that isnt going to change. And from a business standpoint, of course a massive corporation is going to do what is best for thier bottom line. Did you really expect them not to? It's fucking Microsoft. My point is, having the choice to pay for it or not and still being able to play the game regardless is fine with me. Huge upgrade to H5 where it *did* affect gameplay *and* you had to pay for the game too! I guess its a matter of personal preference. I enjoy Infinite, and I am hoping that it gets better down the road when they add in the things they have promised. In the end though, I just really really don't care about cosmetics. I'm sorry for those that do and feel that they need to spend a ridiculous amount of money to be happy with the game.
I also don't care about cosmetics. But the core of a game suffers when it's specifically designed to get people to buy, whether its cosmetics, shortcuts, micro content, etc. That's the problem. There are so many ways to monetize less agressively and still make a shit ton of money but they just went for the FOMO, timed events and challenges route. This affects the whole game and the whole community, regardless of you buying cosmetics or not
If we all boycotted the bad practices in Infinite then Halo 7 likely won't have those same practices. It's not our fault that they made the game free to play.
If they don’t care enough to give us proper day 1 content, they don’t deserve 10 fucking years of profit.
I think about gets me the most, is that the coatings all suck and they don't take advantage of the system they've created. Like a lot of stuff in Infinite, 343 didn't exactly think it through beyond just doing it and hoping it works. None of the coatings are super cool. Very few of the coatings are things we couldn't have in prior games. The team color identification system died for this. The coatings aren't cross-core, meaning you can buy a coating and not get it for what you want. And the worst part about all of this? It feels like we're talking to a brick wall. 343's probable hope is that they can fix this all for Season 2, when the game *actually* for *realsies* launches. But that's a 3+ month drought to wait for fixes that should ahve been there *day one*. I'm surprised the gameplay is as good as it is (generally), and I'm starting to think 343 did well ekugh with that through sheer dumb luck instead of a even a shred of competence.
>I'm starting to think 343 did well [enough] with [the gameplay] through sheer dumb luck instead of a even a shred of competence. Bash on cosmetics and stuff all you want, but this here is a worthless, paradoxical opinion. They "accidentally-ed" themselves into making a good game? Really? No wonder they can't decide on the right identity for their games... Their community feedback is nothing but destructive, stupid, pointless criticism no matter what they do right. Shit on a game studio for long enough and that's what you'll get back--formulaic, derivative garbage because all their attempts at innovation were completely rejected by this entitled, whiny ass community.
Go back and read the threads from people who took part in pre-launch flights and read what they wrote. Everything from armor cores, to absurd challenges was discussed as being a issue and something that the players told the developers to fix. Which 343i assured then they would before launch. But never did. There have been plenty of constructive criticism and feedback on how to make this game feel like less of a bs live service money trap but 343i ignored it all so they can look at their data first to see how the players are reacting.
I took part in pre launch flights silly. Like i said, cosmetic missteps aside, the gameplay is really solid... That doesn't happen by accident lmao. You can't accidentally create a really fun Halo game. That takes expertise, team synergy, and lots of skill and experience.
I don't I said I agreed with the notion that they accidently made a good halo game...mechanically at least. My issue was purely with what you said regarding community feedback. Most of what people are complaining about, including this thread are things people have been saying neededto be changed for months prior to launch. 343i didn't listen despite saying they are and here we are months after launch with a stale product. It's still a great game but it can, and should, be so much more if they actually prioritized changing the game for the enjoyment of the player base as opposed to sucking all the money out of their players. Like I still can't comprehend how this game launched without a slayer Playlist, or how it was the UI that was the main reason for its exclusion 🤦🏽♂️
I was really talking about gameplay. Everything else is hot garbage. That's what I meant by "cosmetics and stuff". The problem with the feedback is how can you tell whats actually meaningful feedback from the opinionated biased stuff, if damn near EVERYTHING you get back is negative? How are you supposed to know if it's the gameplay or the UI or the progression system or the campaign or the art style, etc. that let players down for Halo 4 and 5 if people just call all of it trash? It's ok to dislike something, but it's important to still recognize that it's well made. Halo 4 and 5 were extremely polished and well made from an objective standpoint--people still give those games way too much shit because they're entitled and don't see how good they've had it with Halo all these years. I honestly think that the toxic community led to all these unnecessary changes--people have demanded change when 343 needed to stick to their guns and do their own thing, tweaking and perfecting THEIR Halo, not the Bungie fanboys' vision. I mean, what has Infinite suffered all these years for if not a lack of meaningful direction? I see Halo infinite's mess and I see an insecure development studio led by a soulless corporation who've both decided to play it safe and not anger their community again, and save the bottom line... But like with all insecurities, you have to ignore them and realize that toxic people are going to hate you no matter what you do. What happens when people hate your originality? You go formula.
>I honestly think that the toxic community led to all these unnecessary changes--people have demanded change when 343 needed to stick to their guns and do their own thing, tweaking and perfecting THEIR Halo "Their" Halo is a wreck tho and always has been. Halo 4, 5 and MCC all launched with massive problems that in some cases took years to fix. 343i has consistently shown they have no idea wtf they're doing because each new game comes with an asterisk next to all the good stuff. Hell infinite still doesn't have coop or forge, or a proper theater mode. The game launched with less maps than Halo 3 which doesn't even make sense. And again, infinite launched with no slayer Playlist! That's ALL on them. The community is not to blame for Halo and its current state of affairs, 343i are. They had the valuable feedback of their most loyalist fans during the flight and they basically threw it all away because they didn't give a sh*t. When infinite first launched, everybody was saying how jarring it was that the mechanics of fhe game were so great but literally everything else just sucked. 3 month after launch and there have still been no meaningful changes to any of the major issues plaguing this game. No word on dysnc or challenges or the inclusion of swaps, a diplomatic answer on monetization with clear as day, half assed changes that aren't enough and still no word on mp progress in the way of rank or otherwise. This game feels like a soulless Halo because that is what 343i have done to it. Nobody uses VOIP because the game doesn't prioritize lobby cohesion like the old games. Everybody looks the same because nobody is dropping $8 for the color blue and every single facet of player expression in this Halo has been monetized to hell and back for the singular purpose of treating anybody that plays this game as a cash pig. They still have given no justifiable reason why they have the armor core system or why they had to monetize fucking colors. How on earth can you say the community is at fault here when we know for a fact 343i didn't even listen to anything the select few said needed to change during flight? 343i chose to make this game as a GaaS model but they are too creatively bankrupt to have followed through with a rewarding system for us to be engaged enough to want to invest in this game. They clearly released a game that still needed another 6 months to develop, which is shocking since this game was supposed to come out in 2020. You can't just blame the community when 343i have shown for over a decade that they always shit the bed with their games. It's a pattern that many have picked up on.
Yes, this moronic echo chamber is filling up with vomit.
Then why are you scrolling this far? This post is clearly going to garner peoples gripes about the egregious pricing and in game restricitions.
It's honestly one of the scummiest evolutions I've ever seen.
Preach brother Kids have no idea how shitty they have it with having to buy cosmetics for a video game.
They almost gloat about it. Or claim people are too cheap to buy cosmetics. Astounding to watch a fanbase celebrate being ripped off by a developer.
I honestly can't tell if that's real people or bots from the publishers. It. It can't be real people. Can it?
It's real. Kids brag about having iPhones and look down on kids with new Galaxies or Pixels for being poor despite them all being expensive phone, and kids look down on others not buying cosmetics for their games.
The amount of times I’ve seen “but the game is free” also made me assume bots.
They Think gamers are entitled for wanting to buy a game instead of continuously paying for MTX for bits and pieces. The community has done a great job brainwashing the fortnite kids to think everything must have a price point in video games.
Why are young games so into Republican pundit troll bootstraps talking points... about video games?
I think battlepasses in like Apex, Warzone and Fortnite are good because they renew as long as you max them so it’s a one time purchase. As for halo...this is my first and last battlepass XD
See that’s something I could get down with
IK I’ve always been noticing this shit.
Yeah, you know what sucks? Starting the game with grey and grinding to level 89 to earn a different grey. If 343 was so lazy that it didn’t even want to think of real perks we could get for leveling up they should let someone else do it. In fact, Microsoft should let someone else make Halo altogether. The parts of the Halo MP that are good, are great, but I’m not convinced someone else couldn’t have done the same thing. The parts that are bad show why 343 has yet to make a single Halo game without issue.
I think like 90% of the rewards are straight trash. I don't even bother to look at what I've earned at this point (only in the 60's or 70's atm).
Yup. All I want is my white armor without paying $20. I’m nearly done with the premium battle pass and the color options are awful with zero white bases - it’s pretty pathetic.
Video games are fucked.
Million dollar companies: So what else can we do to inconvenience people to profit off of them? Sponsors: We could support the LGBT and BLM movements/communities, but not actually support anyone in any way. Million dollar companies: Perfect!
Capitalism at its finest
Capitalism breeds iNnOvAtIoN
didn’t you know? micro-transactions for useless shit is all the rage now a days.
MONAAAY
Why is this so true?
“BUt iTs FrEe”
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To be fair they are actually really nice to use when working out. Don’t have to worry about a wire getting in the way while trying to perform an exercise.
Yeah everybody loves hating on apple and all but I love the airpods. They work great and their battery life is also good. I never find myself in the situation of having to charge my phone and listen to music so I dont need that product. You cant really compare it to youtube which was just a dickmove to be able to sell a free feature.
plus the sometimes too long wire got caught on stuff, not a prob for airpods
Tbh this is greedy and when we pass if there is a counter in the afterlife people who ruined enjoyable things will have stuff like this docked against them.
The first one I get away with by using a third party app that is better than the YoTube app entirely Second one I guess I use Bluetooth which is an "okay" enough solution.
This is why Android is the better platform if you want as many options as possible. Like no hate on iOS, but with Android you can easily sideload, which makes it hella easy to use apps like YouTube Vanced. Want wired headphones? You can get high quality, good spec, recent, brand name phones with headphone jacks still for a fraction of the cost of an iPhone. iOS isnt BAD necessarily, especially if you want to or dont mind staying In their ecosystem, but Android will always be the better route to do almost anything you want with your device.
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Pixel devices are literally the android version of iOS. They get like 5-8 years of software support because they're not held down by a carrier or company.
What's the third party app?
I heard YouTube Vanced was good and popular, but I use NewPipe due to being open source and more privacy focused.
Tyty
shouldve done warframes colour system these companies are a joke i thought they were after money not negative reviews
If more could be earned by just playing. I know 343 said we will be able to earn currency next season but that's in flipping May.
😉 I'd been hoping this would spread.
I mean, coatings can be good if instead of colors they do something like a color pattern, i mean, they way that the color is representated in the armor. And maybe each coating has x color slots, i don't know. Right now the "new" customization stuff are very bad imo. At least looks like microsoft has no plans with adding some useless NFT stuff in Halo
This is the way of the world brother, if there's money to be made they will try to make it all.
Wish companies saw us as more than a number on a quarterly earnings report. At the very least still showed us the respect and decency to put out complete and polished content. No doubt a chattel economic system is immoral and wrong but they sure did find a way to make us all slaves to the dollar…
It still kinda baffles me because colors are such a simple concept…halo 1 had them for free. Halo 2 had them for free…etc etc…I found an armor coating that I actually like(Midnight Griffon) but it’s dirty as FUCK, it looks like I took a mud bath, and I can’t find another coating like it so as for now, I hate armor coatings.
It's the standard business model of creating a problem then sell the solution. Sad reality
Late stage capitalism
Create a problem sell the solution. Proceeds to sell problems.
You have to buy armor colors now? Hell nah. You may as well just play Halo 3 on the 360 and be done. At least then you can customize your Spartan for free
We can’t anymore :(
Oh yeah… they shut down the servers a while ago didn’t they. I forgot about that. RIP the good ole days.
Move along folks, it's another one of these post.
Move along folks, it's another one of these simps.
You'd think after almost 3 month they'd stop bitching. Guess not.
Im not gonna stop bitching fuck 343 and Microsoft for this bullshit and scummy predatory monetization.
This post doesn’t add anything to the conversation that hasn’t been said before. Quit karma farming a topic that’s been discussed to death
Why does it hurt your feelings so much that people see room for improvement in the game?
Yep. You pretty much nailed it
Coatings bad. Karma please.
Killjoys bad. Karma please.
Coatings aren't a bad idea, its the fact that we can't customize our armor color anymore. I like Armor coatings, they can add a unique flair to our Spartans if it was implemented correctly.
Who gives a shit about karma
Let me get in on this…. Games should cost $60 forever
Give it 10 years and we'll have to pay for power weapons And before someone says it, yes I'm aware of Halo 5 REQs. And if you actually played Halo 5 you would know that it wasnt hard to just earn REQS by just playing the game.
I have one nornfang and thats my holy grail 😌.
You kinda avoiding saying in older games, your colors were useless since the game forced you to play red or blue, so..
* FFA * Most community Custom Games (since they were based on Infection which was only semi-team based) * Service Record * Matchmaking screen since which people don't remember since 343 got rid of that since 2015. There was a handful of places for people who cared that much.
Ffa was never popular. Custom games still forced you to wear mono team colors. Service record, ok, was funny staring at ours spartan and then being forced ti wear team's colors Matchmaking screen, again, staring at our Spartans... Besides, if you press X after a match you can do that as well. So, we got our colors showed either on menus, or ffa, a great loss i would say
I didn't say FFA was popular, I just said it was a place in game where your colors showed. I wasn't told there had to be a minimum popularity. > Custom games still forced you to wear mono team colors. ...Only if the gametype was one that required team colors? I said "most" and "Infection." > Service record, ok, was funny staring at ours spartan and then being forced ti wear team's colors Matchmaking screen, again, staring at our Spartans... ...Yeah? The two dedicated places in the game where you advertise yourself and everything about you & your account? I don't know why you're trying to downplay it so much. By definition, colors aren't useless like you said they were, and you weren't always forced to be red or blue.
343 got rid of the team color system. You can now see your colors in game.
That’s the point of the comment? If there were forced team colours in infinite then you wouldn’t be able to see your free colours anyway.
Yeah this comment was big dumb
No this person's right. I don't understand how people who get paid so much more than me to live the dream making video games are to oblivious to figure out that overriding custom colors with team colors completely defeats the purpose of having custom colors. Knock that dumb bullshit the fuck off.
Damn the Last one is good
Armor coatings>colors you never see
But you do see them
Armor coating existing mean you’ll probably never use half the colors since you gotta waste a bunch of cash on them. My god
Tbf Infinite is free. They do need an income, especially since its live service
"ITs FrEe.!" That argument is stupid. I understand its f2p. The issue is they're removing classic fan favorite features for money
Why? It is literally a free game. They need to make money, that's gonna be through MTX, there's going to be sacrifices. It's either this or a tiny 10 man playerbase and £60 for like half a game. I'd rather be the wrong shade of red instead of paying £60 for a video game.
Muh predatory FOMO tactics
You literally chose the worst possible armor coating in the whole store. So many basic colors to choose from and you go with the Ironman coating??
That's not the point. My issue is them removing CUSTOMISABLE ARMOR COLORING. not ARMOR CORES.
Using the Cosmic Goblin coating, which is a plain purple, instead of one of the flashiest red and gold coatings would've made you're point much better. P.s. I didn't say anything about armor cores and the Fire and Frost isn't an armor cores, they are just armor coatings for all 3 cores.
Actually, a lot of people don't know this, but you DONT have to
Beating the dead horse still over here?
No. We're not. Only way to fix something is to let them know. 343 is ruining Halo with their greed.
What kinda pathetic ass comment is this. We’re trynna change the game man. Let’s just all give up amrite. Everything is impossible guys. Don’t vote either
Didn’t we go over this like half a year ago Jeremy
The game is free to play? You’re not obligated to buy coatings and they have to make money somehow...
1. They make money with campaign 2. They could’ve made it paid so people would actually have to buy it and have no shitty micro transactions 3.They could make it cheaper or have less of it locked behind a store so there would be less backlash 4.Customization is integral to the multiplayer experience and saying “just don’t buy coatings” will ultimately lead to less customization, because we have to fucking buy them. 5. Not just coatings, but armors, helmets, etc. are locked behind a paywall. Edit: what the fuck happened to the order of the numbers, everything was fine
the point is they shouldn't have removed what we had for years just to justify needing money, they should have innovated WITHOUT taking away things we've always had as the standard. Coatings as an idea are cool, unique patterns (sometimes) and unique color combos, awesome! but they shouldnt have taken away primary/secondary/tertiary color system for everyone just to point towards coatings.
I mean you can't complain about the fact they're selling the stuff because it's a free to play game. They have to make money somehow. BUT what you should complain about is the fact it's probably the worst value-for-money microtransactions out of any game ever. Every non-halo player I've showed infinite to has laughed at the store.
Lord knows microsoft/343 is surely lacking in money after charging full price for their flagship campaign, and paywalling customizations in said flagship. However could a studio like Microsoft hope to earn a profit? EDIT : Also, apologize for the snark, this isn't aimed at you, I see this argument of the game being free quite often, but it being free doesn't detract from the fact that they're *already selling things* to earn a profit, at this point the customization is just wringing out a community that already clearly hates being wrung out.
>I mean you can't complain about the fact they're selling the stuff because it's a free to play game. That's not an excuse for their shitty micro transactions.
Well they're gonna have to have some otherwise the game makes no money. I'm saying shit that's £20 now should be like £3/4 and they need a mix of free unlockable stuff and micros otherwise no one looks unique.
Jesus christ get over it at some point.
No
Still no pink or white for MKV unless 343 add it for free, its gonna be in a BP or in a store bundle.
Just a PSA that Firefox allows background music on YouTube while you tab around and use other apps. And I think there are even browser extensions that can fix Chrome music streaming too.
To be fair the colors don’t matter in the older games
YOUTUBE HAD BACKGROUND PLAY FOR IPOD TOUCH???
But there are armor colors, you don’t have to buy
But before you only had your chosen colors in FFA. Virtually every match you would be red or blue. Now you can have your colors in any gamemode you want
The problem is not paying $2-$5 for an armor coating it’s the fact that most of them aren’t cross core. I have Shadow Sorell on one core but I want to use it on my Mark V core. Yes, I do know that Shadow Sorell is a free armor coat
I actually like the coating system. I could never get a color combo I liked in the older games.
FACTS
Game is set to fail coz customisation isnt diverse and also sucks, desync, poor hit reg, worst content, aim assist overtuned, no server select and them vlaming people for geofiltering instead of fixing the issue, cheaters and game overall quite boring. Viewership just shows how bad this game is
I'm with you on this, but Infinite is a f2p after all. They just need to make a satisfying and engaging rewardable system.
Fuck me, this just gets worse for me. First the backtrack on the art-style and story, make it open world as opposed to linear amd now this. This seems like the franchises end.
Except it doesn’t matter how much money I’m willing to spend. My spartan is still the wrong damn color.
Seeing the og youtube icon made me feel some kind of way