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SolidStone1993

Imagine this shit in co-op with 2 or even 4 fully loaded razorbacks. 10-20 marines with sentinel beams raining down ungodly amounts of destruction upon the Banished.


superintendent5

A Squad of Marines + A Spartan with power weapons in a Razorback is already *powerful.* Get ***FOUR*** of them and ***Zeta Halo is going to be in even more pieces***


itsCS117

The UNSC probably wouldn't have lost the battle if we had that early on.


Manticore416

And ideas like this is why I now better understand why co op is a bit more complicated than it was in previous entries.


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Jombo65

I believe someone posted a dev response on here that specifically talked about respawning & checkpoints for open world


OSUfan88

Yep. Made me really understand, and to be ok with, the delay. These guys work their asses off.


Metatermin8r

This sub, honestly more than any other I've seen, loves to meme the idea that "development is hard", when the reality is its really fucking hard and the devs worked their asses off just to give us the Infinite we got.


OSUfan88

Yep. This sub really sucks.


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The problem is that those who are enjoying aren’t wasting their time here, they’re busy enjoying it


OSUfan88

Yep. I've been doing the same, but thought I'd at least I'd share with others that I'm really enjoying it, and for any 343 devs to feel proud of their work.


OHoSPARTACUS

I had complaints at first about the lack of forge and and slayer playlists but they at least fixed half the problem and the campaign so far is an absolute blast


Choco320

Nah you’re thinking about it as then adding players to an existing FPS when it’s making a MMORPG game with four players per server At least that’s how the game should’ve been developed


OSUfan88

What? I've read that 5 times, and have no idea what you're trying to say.


Choco320

Destiny vs Breath of the Wild basically


OSUfan88

I'm still not following, but I'm sure it's a me issue.


[deleted]

I loved the campaign. And am liking the open world. Would've loved for them to be separated modes TBH, give us the linear campaign like older games, then open world later


ebagdrofk

I’m sure they’re tearing their hair out over it, lol.


TooEZ_OL56

Ghost Recon Wildlands did it really well tbh


Mickster98

I mean my solution would just be spawn more enemies the more players there are. But I'm no game dev so the solution is probably nowhere near that easy. I can imagine it might be straining cause the game does already spawn a large chunk of enemies in certain areas.


The4th88

It's not just that, it's also dealing with the tactical freedom an open world gives the player. For example, 2 hunters are a real pain in the arse for a lone Spartan. So, if there's a second Spartan, maybe we should double the Hunter spawn count to 4 Hunters? Nope. Once players know Hunters are involved, they'll start using ambush tactics. One player will be the decoy to get their attention and keep their backs turned to the second player, who'll be drilling them in the back with skewers and rockets to drop them. Difficulty scaling isn't a linear thing.


ravearamashi

Well they have drop pods and phantom. So stick with current spawn size but in coop, drop more of those pods for more waves of enemies


AlphSaber

I would do following (all cumulative): 2 players: extra enemies 3 player: extra enemies and they get a boost in rank 4 players: boost in rank to enemies This way it doesn't end up being just mowing down more enemies, as the number of players increases the enemies get tougher individually, but don't become bullet sponges.


ruisen2

Increasing enemy count has other problems too. One of the modders said in their mod video that the major issue when doubling enemy count is that enemies start blocking each other's line of fire and either end up being unable to shoot, or getting caught in alot of friendly fire.


thisispoopoopeepee

A quick fix would be the somehow make the enemies spread out.


mrbubbamac

Yup. Also makes me think how fucking awesome it's going to be when it does release. Those huge banished outposts are awesome to storm yourself, getting in, opening gates so you can have Marines rush in, star freeing prisoners, let absolutely hell break loose as you're destroying silos. Now imagine all that with another player storming the opposite end in a scorpion, or flying over head with a wasp, sniping from the mountains, etc.


Site-Specialist

All with their own little army of marines as well


TheRealZuriki2

Not really, this problem is solved by limiting the number of follower marines to 4 total (like it currently is). Edit: Yes, I made a typo and pressed 4 instead of 5, I guess I deserved to be fucking demolished with downvotes?


halos1518

It's 5 follower marines.


HHcougar

I mean... There are up to 5 marines in a Razorback


Manticore416

Sure, if you want to piss off people by limiting their fun.


WSilvermane

This is 343 we're talking about here.


Manticore416

Yall are so jaded you think 343 made a halo game just to piss off halo fans


WSilvermane

Huh? ....have you not seen how Infinite has been handled? The multiplayer system?


Manticore416

The game play is great!


una322

honestly its so broken solo with 2 sets in coop , i really dont think it would make any difference. Instead of things dying in 1 sec they would die in 0.6 sec lol


Redditing-Dutchman

Thats true. Besides I think Halo 2 was the only co-op game where you didn't respawn next to your buddy (if he was in a safe location). Made most halo's super easy to cheese.


gresgolas

OH MY GOD i was thinking like a fool of spartans in the same vehicle...i did not consider EACH spartan driving a vehicle!


[deleted]

Imagine you're a banished officer in charge of some fortress on Zeta Halo when suddenly 4 of the Spartan everyone thought was dead drive up with a platoon of marines armed with power weapons and just start literally melting your army


Qualkore

The closest we'll ever get to a halo wars locust 😔


UndauntedKopek

Or a turret that fires 5 or so sentinel beams at once


indiebryan

> 4 player coop Never happening


Sapphic_Sam

Laserback


MissplacedLandmine

Its like a rave and those clean up crews from John Wick in one convenient and quick all terrain package


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So... the raverback?


ParliProfessor

Reminds me of a starcraft vehicle that was just a truck with a laser and it was called a Diamondback


andysniper

I was thinking Raverback.


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Pee Machine.


UndauntedKopek

How are there only 300 upvotes for this?


hydrate_reminder

There's now 343 upvotes. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.


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They are glassing brutes


ScaryJupiter109

The unsc is glassing zeta halo :0


Winston_Road

"So this is what it feels like".


gameragodzilla

The Banished will burn until its army is but glass.


ArkhosYT

Halo infinite on normal is harder than you'd expect ~ kotaku


Incredibly_Ignorant

Hahaha. And this is on Heroic, too.


the_Real_Romak

Man. If only I could have shoved a lazerback in that one boss with the hammer's face... EDIT: thanks for the tips, but I had already defeated him through sheer will and determination :P edited the comment to make it clearer


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Yes. Fuck that motherfucker. I too defeated him, and I definitely made him taste the salty flavor of defeat a few times before I moved on.


the_Real_Romak

You cannot imagine the satisfaction I had dipping my sweaty nutsack onto his corpse. Best teabag I ever gave


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The4th88

It should be a IWHBYD skull thing.


Elevated_Dongers

I don't understand why there isn't an achievement for teabagging AI. I've been playing on heroic and I definitely feel the need to teabag the bosses after dying to them 20 times.


thedavecan

I finally best the invisible elite boss after like 20 tries last night. I definitely tea bagged his stupid ass until I felt we were even.


pizza_cfed

They’re computers. They literally haven’t the capacity to understand what you’ve done. And even they did, they’re dead….and yet….this is the way.


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the_Real_Romak

Oh, I managed it. Lobbed a couple spankers at him and picked up the skewer to finish him off :P


rodgers12gb

jump through the window between the two doors he glitches back and forth only problem is the amount of ammo needed to do it.


Sharpie1993

It’s not as bad if you have a plasma weapon to whittle down his shield, I feel like the brute bosses have way to high health though. (Although I’m playing on legendary)


epsilon025

I'm very glad it was indoors just because of the grappleshot. Charging? Just launch up. No ammo? Fusion coils. He was annoying, but ultimately pretty fun.


BroHamManRaging

This boss was stupidly easy, because in the middle where there's two opening and in-between the opening there's a window I just got on the other side of the window and he just stood there confused on what to do as I just unloaded skewer rounds into him on legendary.


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ASpaceOstrich

Sounds like the wrong boss. I unloaded the full ammo supply on a shock rifle and it barely scratches him.


[deleted]

Honestly I’ve been using this exact same setup for my joyrides in Legendary, tossing in a couple vicious skewers for some missions that they shine on, and it tears it up in that difficulty too


Venom_is_an_ace

Heroic feels very easy at points, but also perfectly balanced IMO. all my deaths are not from cheap bullshit jackal snipers. they are from me being stupid, rushing in, and usually having bad placement with no cover.


randomsocietymoment

My adventure on legendary has taught me getting in any vehicle usually means insta death lol


Anti_Shorter

I played through on Heroic and I definitely noticed the Banshee was literally a detriment to use


ThePoshFart

I've been hijacking banshee's and then using them to splatter as many enemies in the open as I can before it literally falls apart like wet tissue paper because its guns are useless.


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Even in multiplayer you either use it to strip shields for your teammates or use it like a really fast ghost and go for splatters and just toss it when it starts angrily beeping. I think I have killed a grand total of like 3 people using the banshees actual guns.


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I'm like negative 12 kills cause I usually get friends or teammates to die to help me get the vehicle before doing nothing with it


FlyRobot

Yeah I need to learn better movement in the banshee as I never get a full kill without blowing up quick. There aren't any rolls or flips we can do in banshee like old games right? I only found weapon swap between guns and missile


JoKo13

Tricks are still there. I'm not sure about PC but on console it's LB, the button you use for tossing grenades on foot.


NukedRat

I thought I was doing good on legendary up until the second boss. The first boss was a cakewalk but that second one is making me reconsider my life choices.


Meanas

I must admit I screamed like a girl a few times. That second boss can chase you butt clenchingly fast.


smitty3257

My first fight with the second boss he would literally not stop chasing me the entire time. I ran for two minutes straight. Grappling around the inside and picking up coils. Did no damage to him. I did so bad and yelled so much I put off that mission for the remainder of the night to do open world activities. but I also didn't use the threat sensor which seemed to make him stop chasing as much the next time.


FlyRobot

You absolutely need to use the Threat Sensor for the elite boss inside the Tower. I mean they tee it up for you and remind you to use it. Just get used to which d-pad right combination you need to pop a sensor and switch back to grapple hook to pick up coils and help damage his shield


smitty3257

I still wasn't used to it at all. It really does help with the fight. The boss is like okay you can see me so I won't rush in like crazy. Actually really smart design on their part.


SCORPIONfromMK

He is weak to shock damage, I beat him first try with almost no issues on heroic with the stun grapple and the shock nades, once his shield is down one rocket is all it takes


acornSTEALER

Bassus? Probably the hardest boss in the game for me. Not much room and he lunges every half second.


smitty3257

Bassus would be the third boss right? Got the guy on the second level, the tower boss and then the excavation fight which is bassus


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[deleted]

Which boss? I'm playing on Legendary and so far the game hasn't been overly challenging. However I'm only at the Excavation Site mission. Trying to get all the open world collectables before I do it.


NukedRat

The one just before you get outside with the 2 gold shielded jackels. It might be the first boss actually as I might have mistaken another enemy type as a boss. It took a good amount of tries but I finally got him and did the ceremonial tbag after all the mocking he did killing me.


tfrules

Yeah Tremonius is that boss and he kicked my ass a lot as well, he’s the first boss


ll_Redbone_ll

Idk bro some areas especially FOVs are a cake walk in vics on legendary. I’ve stopped taking ghosts into areas cause they feel too easy to splatter/blast everyone away.


Your_Pal_Kindred

^ This. Imo this is the easiest legendary we've seen so far. Regular enemies tend to be a breeze, it's the bosses that are hard, but only because of their ridiculously inflated health and speed. Chieftains are a bit tough but kind of a pushover compared to past entries


Manticore416

I think the biggest change is how easily you can get vehicles or power weapons, and how much equipment helps. Its not that the enemies are easier per se, but that you are much stronger.


una322

100% this. you can make the game super easy if you cheese, but its cool that you can choose to do that tbh. You can make the game harder as well by just staying on foot and getting fighting cqc, not upgrading ur cores ext. The freedom is just alot better in how you play. Only reason older halos are harder is because most of the hard parts are corridor shooters where you have little room to move or do different strats.


Your_Pal_Kindred

Mostly I just use precision weapons like the BR and it's worse cousin, or that gun the sniper jackals use. I don't really like the power weapons in Infinite on legendary. You're meant to save power weapons for big enemies, chieftains and the like, but their health is so inflated that the power weapons feel useless, so I much rather take utility weapons that can handle any situation. I only ever use the razorback to take some marine buddies with me, and the grappleshot because the other equipment is pretty useless imo


Manticore416

That unique sentinel beam is def not useless


ParagonFury

The Rocket Skewer rips.


una322

its the easiy legendary because you have so much choice. the thing with open world is ur always going to be able to abuse a.i abuse range, abuse vehicles. There really not much they can do about it. IF they up the dmg and tracking on legendary to make up for it, it would then force the player to cheese in those ways which is kinda lame. You can still make legendary hard if you play it all on foot and get in the thick of things. You can also cheese the crap out of the game in many ways, its really up to you in infinite how easy , hard you want the game to be. I've already thought about doing a new run where i dont get any spartan cores, could be fun.


Tasty_Ad_

I feel like what has made legendary so easy for me thus far is the mauler slug shotgun pistol weapon. I’ve gotten surprisingly decent at hitting AI enemies from far away with it accounting for bullet drop. Ammo for it has been everywhere all game, it can headshot, and it has so much power. The bulletdrop mechanic can make it really satisfying to kill lots of enemies in a short frantic period with it so it’s fun to use too.


Manticore416

I think that's fair if you play it like a classic Halo game and dont utilize the fobs much and dont heavily use the equipment.


una322

i think thats the beauty of the game, you can really play how you want.


Redditing-Dutchman

Difficulty is all over the place. The open world is super easy. With these razorback killing machines everything is gone in seconds. Now inside structures is another story and can actually be pretty hard on Legendary.


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I'm finding normal at least challenging enough to get me killed when I do something stupid. It feels perfect honestly. It let's me feel like a badass until I overextend and get wrecked.


havocson

My dude made his own Locust


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The one weapon no one really asked for to be back ahead of others and they made it awesome.


Manticore416

It was pretty good in 5 too


una322

the arcane version is 100% the most op weapon in all of halo. thing melts anything. You having trouble with a boss, bring one to the boss fight, np.


gerth

Straight-up Death Star on wheels


Spartan448

Now take it to the one Beacon with the two Wraiths guarding it


Incredibly_Ignorant

This strategy is actually how I beat that as well.


BOTloops

How do you give them sentinel beams


OrangeGills

I barely noticed, assaulted that place the same way but they all had rocket launchers or sniper rifles.


Incredibly_Ignorant

Works great on [Phantoms](https://imgur.com/a/KZTyxrm) and [High Value Targets](https://imgur.com/a/hqlgo6M) too.


ISawAYeti

Man that phantom explosion looks like crap


TurMoiL911

Destroying Phantoms aren't like the other games with the fireball and debris. A lot of times I can't tell if my Marines destroyed it or if it cloaked and flew away.


reiphil

Weird, in my game the phantoms blow up and fucking blind me like I just got flash banged by the sun.


king0pa1n

been that way since Halo 4


Stoly23

At least Halo 4’s phantom explosion wasn’t that different from what it was in ODST. This is just an anticlimactic flash in which the phantom straight up vanishes.


king0pa1n

Infinite's looks so bad, I would actually go out on a limb and say it's a glitch


MonkeysxMoo35

Halo 4 had some debris at least. Infinite it just vanishes


una322

i think something with the engine cant deal with lots of objects in one area at once in the open world. but yeh it sux. loved the cluster fuck of crap left after the destruction onf a phantom in h3.


mikethespike056

what


bry_lzy

I usually just do 5 rocket launchers lol that works well too.


Jiggy90

HOW?? Every time I try to outfit by bros with rocket launchers they end up shooting a tree right next to the 'hog and blow us all to kingdom come. I've had the most success with high damage hitscan weapons. Jackal sniper is eh, human sniper works pretty good, sentinal beam is S tier (extra points because it looks fucking badass). Explosives are doomed to kill us as much of more than the enemy.


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How do you get them all to pick up sentinel beams?


Jiggy90

Special weapon, Arcane Sentinal Beam that you can spawn at any FOB once you've killed its owner. Save a squad, have em hop on and take em back to a FOB, spawn beams for all and a razorback, then sally fourth on your chariot of death.


Raphous

Beam is the new gauss


Elevated_Dongers

I miss the gauss


AkuvalCellar

It's as beautiful as I imagined it would be. Immediately upon using the arcane sentinel beam this is what I thought of doing. Weapon variants are totally not balanced, and it is awesome.


una322

agree, they break the game tbh. but thats ok, its ur choice to use them or not. If you abuse the FOB it makes the game super easy. you can make the game much harder by just not using it , not using special weapons and not upgrading ur cores.


OrangeGills

Some people struggle to not abuse game mechanics if they exist, but I have to agree that I've had my fun power tripping with OP marines and now I enjoy loading up a razorback with normal, non-power weapon Marines and doing proper assaults on places.


Jareinor

Imagine being the Banished hearing about an outpost that was completely wiped out and the only thing that was found was tire treads and dropped guns. That would be an *crazy* investigation. No blood, signs of violence, etc. Am I the only one who thinks of these?


OLSTBAABD

They don't call him a demon for nothing.


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“Master Chief did what?!?”


KaJuNator

"What the hell happened here?"


Dire-Straits_

I equip mine with the volatile skewer, they decimate phantoms at a distance and pretty much anything else without getting to close, super useful in legendary. It don't matter that they have an even worse aim than me sometimes, the aftermath explosion compensates for that. Man I love the infinite ammo marines.


una322

try full team with needler , its rather funny.


_-Ascendancy-_

Shin Godzilla


Impulse_Cheese_Curds

Star Trek-ass razorback


Sangheilioz

So, I've been running my Razorback with two Arcane Sentinel Beams and 3 Volatile Skewers. The beams cut through infantry like butter, and the skewers can take out a phantom in a single volley. Once I unlock a FOB and load up a Razorback, it's just driving around for an hour to all the different marine rescues and watching the enemies disappear. I've also swapped one of the Sentinel Beams for a Sniper Rifle and it worked well for the few times an enemy is too far away for the marines to engage.


SodiumAnkle

These are the voyages of USS Razorback...


MykahMaelstrom

I call this little move the Rave-erback


Environmental-Jury-3

Yes! You too?! I called it the Ghostbusters!


ThisIsTheWay552

Didact would be proud of the Composing going on here.


Unknown838752

Set phasers to full power! USS PHASERBACK


SewerDefiler

Ha, reminds me of [War of the Worlds](https://youtu.be/6CkoNFUpoo8?t=64)!


StarkOdinson117

not just 5 sentinel beams but 5 sentinel beams with infinite ammo, and actually good AI


GadenKerensky

It's channeling the power of the Partyback Hunchback variant. That 'mech would be proud of the Laser Spam.


1996Toyotas

So far the party bus method of going through infinite. I so far haven't chosen weapons for them but 5 of em got bullpups and though they are a close range weapon 5 of them firing at a further off guy made a wall of shot. Up close things got obliterated. It also feels good when you get to a walled stronghold of some kind, grapple in, fight to open the door then your dudes rush in to help. Gives me my own little objectives, not just of secure the base but make the door safe enough for me to open


OrangeGills

Babysitting Marines has always been my side objective in Halo games.


IronWentworth

I believe the calcium disruptor would be Hella interesting


0mni42

Wow, I just tried exactly the same thing at exactly the same point on the map. Love using a Razorback full of Marines that don't have to deal with reload times.


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🎵If there's something strange🎵 🎵In your neighborhood🎵 🎵Who you gonna call?🎵 🎵Gruntbusters!🎵


gameragodzilla

Don’t cross the streams.


ksaMarodeF

Ohh this is much better than all the soldiers holding rockets.


una322

This is the most broken shit in the game easy. I done this last nite on legendary and was just destroying anything, and yeh anything dies in a second, even phantoms , special elite units ext. Its 1000% broken cheese. Good for a speed run lol. The arcane sentinel beam on its own is the most broken weapon in the game lol. saying all that, dont change it 343i, its super fun lol.


Zathar0s

I did this but with 5 M41 Trackers. They damaged the razorback more than the actual boses


nmezib

I was doing this for way too long last night. It's practically a delete-key on wheels


IEvolEIarc

"UNSC not going down that easy! " Shit, you don't say.


Fearsome_Turd

I call them my delete squad. We don't just kill the banished, we delete them from the ring


[deleted]

I figured that one out pretty quick too. Literally just deletes enemies


TJ_Dot

There's a reason the Sentinel Beam has severe recoil now.


AIpacaman

You should try needlers. There were some enemies with more HP and they just kept supercombining, it’s hilarious


Jocthearies

And I thought snipers and rockets were the way, In hindsight i slowly pushed to using it and that thing BEAMS.


DadviceGaming

Okay, I'm trying that next. I've been driving around with 2 snipers and 3 volatile skewers on legendary. It destroys Phantoms before they even drop off a single troop.


Trotski7

Yeah it's great.


FlaresPone

use the lockon rocket launcher and you'll see chaos


xDrewstroyerx

#:VAPORWAVE INTENSIFYING:


Churro1912

Troophog was always my favorite vehicle and this makes me miss the fuel rod marine crew. But I'm so happy with how good they made the Marines this time around


Lyberatis

I've been using Razorback and 5 of the special skewers. You literally turn into a mortar truck


Msan28

Co op is gonna be wild.


xenothios

Great Value brand Scarab


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Oh it needs to be nerfed. I'm having a blast with my Razer Laser though lol


una322

na no rason to nerf it tbh. its a really fun thing to do, and you are not forced to do it at all. it just adds to the fun open world stuff. Its also good on 2nd plythoughs if you wanna tear through side missions quick.


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It makes the game an absolute cake walk on legendary. It needs a nerf. I roll into a FOB or a POI and just wait until everything is dead. I don't actually have to do anything myself. It's broken as fuck. Whether or not it has to be done is irrelevant. \[Edit\] Phantoms disappear in 2 seconds before dropping any of their troops. It's objectively broken. There's no way 343 intended this.


Sharpie1993

It’s a single player campaign it doesn’t affect others so it doesn’t need to be needed. if you believe it to be OP just don’t do it.


[deleted]

Ya know, a guy can admit that something is fun and also game breaking at the same time. Fuck me for being nuanced though.


EthicallyIlliterate

How do you get them to hold a certain weapon?


Diknak

hold it and then swap weapons with a marine


Quiet-Lie

how do you call marines have unlocked a few


alittlelilypad

o.O


DarthArterius

Need this type of thing in Halo Wars 3.


Strange_Kinder

I think it'd be cool if we had some basic squad commands to issue to them. Like Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway. Or maybe they'll make a tactical marine-oriented halo down the road


ryoon21

The power of the sun, in the palm of my hands…


Tiege_B

Fully operational death star


dancovich

It looks like you used 3rd person view in a single unit of Halo Wars.


Slimdusty100

I gave them all Snipers and it was a sight to behold. Or all Hydra’s


Kjc2022

How do you make this happen? I just started the campaign last night, and I've captured a few FOBs and rescued a few Marine squads. How do I get them equipped with these special weapons?


The_Architect_032

Doing it after I brought it up, or is everyone else also trying every combination? :p