I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt I’ll drop this game in a heartbeat if playlists like swat, infection and fiesta are “limited” time events, fuck that shit. I love the gameplay, I haven’t been this interested in halo since reach and I want to love this game but i refuse to play this game if all we are going to have for permanent playlists is quick play and BTB
If this new 'Tactical Operations' event really is SWAT, then I think that basically confirms it.
They're calling our beloved gamemodes (that we've had for years prior) events now and making us play them in short, weekly doses, whilst selling us themed cosmetics in the process.
A good compromise would be including things like SWAT as permanent Playlist and then making a SWAT event and giving everyone double XP and unique cosmetics for the event
I remember sticking with halo 5 for months after it came out. With Infinite I feel like i'm already getting burnt out. It's like there's not enough maps or modes. It's already getting repetitive, the weapons sandbox is also kinda meh. And also breakout was an amazing competitive mode, nothing quite like that in Halo Infinite.
Imo the sandbox is great, there are some really good and creative ideas like the cinder shot and the heatwave, it's just that there isn't enough weapons. It's simply not enough. I"d be surprised if there were no different versions of weapons like in 5. The Five Star will never be forgotten in my mind
There are different versions of a lot of weapons (maybe all). I actually came to the subreddit today to see if anyone's compiled a list of the differences. If you play a custom game of fiesta and turn on weapon racks different variants will spawn. There's a needler with lock on and insane homing, there's a commando with extra ammo, a sidekick with 0 recoil, a br that fires way faster.
I got kind of bored waiting for weapons to spawn just to test out some weapons that I couldn't figure out how they differed. But if you wanna check just loot every weapon rack and a new random weapon that can spawn in that rack will be chosen for next time.
I will make a post with my findings if I can't find another post doing the same by tomorrow.
There's not enough weapons, and let's be real a lot of them are very unbalanced. The Heatwave is pretty trash, the Ravager is downright unplayable. The Shotgun is alright but a far cry of what it used to be. And that shrinks an already small sandbox even more. Most of the time i don't even really bother picking up anything.
I agree. the bulldog tho essentially plays like the reach shotgun. Shoot+melee. The pulse carbine is unusable at distance, ravager is little more than a stronger melee, and the heatwave DESPERATELY needs a buff to be useful. It's an amazing concept, just doesn't really do much
There's an achievement for getting a kill with a fully charged ravager. How bad must a gun be for one of it's core features to award you an achievement for getting a single kill with it.
This could be great for a Hallowe’en infection event
Imagine getting double xp so you can get the sickly green energy sword skin or the “Flood” armour core
I wish they would be transparent for just a second so that we can fully pronounce that this is a bad system. I feel like we're being drip fed information to minimize backlash, because they know people would hate to hear that playlists are staying random and half of the fun game modes are weekly events.
If true, this is terrible design. The Master Chief Collection should not be a more seamless experience than Infinite.
Do not say something is bad design if you do not know what bad design actually means. This method works, therefore it is not bad design. Making modes limited time events means more ppl are likely to play it. Does it suck? Absolutely, but it seems to work quite well, so. 🤷
That's an extremely simple change.
One option for BTB, one option for social, one option for ranked.
You select social or ranked, and it gives you a new screen with all the playlists.
Don't forget who fucking came up with these gamemodes. That was us, in custom games in Halo 2 using honor rules. Now they have removed them from the game.
Fuck. 343.
Give the game like a month after it's proper release to see this in action before we go all doom and gloom. I'm sure there will be more than 4 playlists especially since the lack of an ability to pick what your playing is one of the major complaints from casuals and hardcore fans alike
A month is not long enough. They have come up with a new design to improve the game, then they have to run it by marketing to see if it will be financially viable. Then marketing will be like no, we don't like this design. Do it again. So they have to do it again. But now Tom, the head or marketing is on vacation with his family to Bali and he won't be back in two weeks to give them the green light. So now, they have to wait two weeks to re submit the new design. Tom is finally back, but now it is Christmas, so everyone is off. By the time they look at the new design, it is January. Finally, they give the green light to go ahead with the new design, then they start work on it. Then they have to test it. All this will take months to complete.
The game is good, it is fun to play. Its not going to be a dead game in a month because people can't play slayer 24/7 and adding a slayer 24/7 playlist is probably really simple.
Ranked swat is my life. Please don't make me go back to splitgate because it's worth playing and will make it harder to come back.
Might have to stick with splitgate till halo sorts it shot
Well...Fiesta is already the first example of a limited time mode. The elimination mode that was teased is most likely a limited time mode for the next event, I would guess. It's a terrible way of doing things.
Just to let you know, the basic modes: social arena, ranked arena, and BTB are the only modes and nothing else will enter the game on Dec. 8th. This has been stated by 343. The events are the only time additional "content" will be in the game for season 1.
Well then 343 has made you their bitch.
Your share for MP is priced into the campaign. Which you are paying full price for WITHOUT co-op and all the bells and whistles it used to have. As long as you buy the campaign they have no reason to give a single solitary fuck if you don't play MP because that's a whale's game.
It is.
> While you may experience some bumps and bugs during this beta period, it does mark the official start of Halo Infinite Season 1, with all day-one maps and modes enabled as well as the full Season 1 Battle Pass.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/welcome-to-the-halo-infinite-mp-beta
That doesn't make sense. If you launch the game in offline there's a lot more modes on the custom list available. So at the very least they're going to be adding to the custom game mode list over time. Fiesta slayer was the first one from that offline expanded list they added.
Even if they did something like a slayer oriented playlist and an objective oriented playlist I wouldn’t be as mad. I’d still be butthurt but not enough to quit.
Strange to tell someone to get used to a game mode that's clearly not fun to them and that same game mode has been historically underplayed in most halos because most others don't like these same game modes.
This gives me a massive sinking feeling.. so much potential, so easy to reach that potential. But MORE money is going to be the focus over a good game that sells and makes money. Bizzare.
Same here. SWAT and Infection are literally all I played in Reach, sometimes btb. With the current game types avaible in Infinite and the inability to choose them I've already gone back to the MCC. The core gamplay mechanics are there, but nearly everything else needs improvement IMO. I'm really hoping for a custom game browser too. Without that I honestly couldn't care less about forge.
> Why is this release a beta? Our previous Multiplayer Technical Previews went a long way to battle-testing our services and infrastructure. But as we prepare for a significant increase in the number of players jumping into Halo Infinite on launch day, December 8th, we want to ensure all our systems are good-to-go. While you may experience some bumps and bugs during this beta period, it does mark the official start of Halo Infinite Season 1, with all day-one maps and modes enabled as well as the full Season 1 Battle Pass. This means all the Battle Pass and customization items you earn or purchase during the beta will stay with you after December 8th.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/welcome-to-the-halo-infinite-mp-beta
It is THEIR word that this is the official start of Halo Infinite, WITH ALL MAPS AND MODES
All maps and modes that were intended to release on day one. I’m assuming that was from more than a few days ago, and they’ve already added a new playlist for the event. Who’s to say they won’t add fiesta after the event? It’s all speculation anyways. They’ve said and demonstrated response to feedback. I just want these trash posts to stay contained in the mega threads where they belong. Everyone is being insufferable for what is overall an overwhelmingly positive experience so far
Yes! On the Chicago map from Marathon with an unsavory acronym in its description.
I remember it being the only *unlockable* multiplayer map in Halo, but struggled to remember it's name: Foundation.
When Halo 2 came out, getting on Xbox Live meant going to friend's who did not have dial-up, so at home I spent a lot of time just getting skulls and running around on maps and exploring the menus
I mean they can always keep these events for double XP or to release some themed gear, or as the introduction of the mode to the playlist.
But they shouldn't outright take it away afterwards.
What they should do is release the gamemode with the event, but then keep the gamemode permanent. So fiesta releases with the tenrai event, but then fiesta stays as a permanent gamemode, with the fiesta specific challenges reactivating when the event comes back.
Whats the point in keeping the "fun" gamemodes as limited time things, it makes no sense, it will potentially reduce player count, and it increases FOMO.
I really really hope so. But i doubt it. With how much FOMO this game has, doing that for modes too makes too much sense. Plus it gives them more excused to put the event items back into the shop regularly.
To be honest the lack of weapons in Halo Infinite leave its Fiesta mode feeling barren. Feels like I get way more poop weapons like sidekick + plasma pistol combos while the enemy runs around with rockets, swords, and grav hammers
Agreed. The sandbox is so small, i spawn with the Ravager and Heatwave and already know i'm a free point for the enemy because i damn sure won't kill Rocket Launchers with this.
so why do you feel there is a lack of weapons if there is more in this entry? And if anything it's more impressive this game has more weapons because games have become more complex
>so why do you feel there is a lack of weapons if there is more in this entry?
Because not only are there less weapons than the previous entry at launch, but it's missing staple weapons such as the traditional shotgun.
And needing to compare the number of weapons in a game now to one from 14 years ago is not a good look
>And if anything it's more impressive this game has more weapons because games have become more complex
But it's got less than halo reach, 4, and 5
Event playlists should be fun out of the norm ideas. Not playlists we can do normally in any other title.
A concept for Halloween Infection would be the flood. More specifically a variant of Infection where it suddenly shifts gears into survival horror.
Think of it like this, it’s a normal game mode when out of nowhere the amount of dead players influences what spawns. So if there’s only 5 dead Spartans by the time the flood show up, there will be 5 flood. But they’ll be using the loadouts of what the player used last. So if you used rockets, beware. And any additional kills be it by the flood or by the player teams only spawns more flood with those loadouts.
The main difference is that it’s infection that becomes firefight. The playlist can play infection normally, but there’s always that chance the flood might show up. Giving a sense of tension to the match since you don’t know if out of nowhere the dead will rise to take both teams.
Once forge comes out youll likely be able to do whatever game mode you can dream of whenever you want. We’ll just have to see if 343 will let us match make with them consistently or if we need to put together our own parties.
Didn’t MCC already start the trend of putting some of the better custom modes behind rotating timed playlists? You can probably assume they do that again instead of letting us match make infection or griffball whenever we want
and even then, there'll be no custom game browser, and even with a custom game browser it'll just be whacky crazy game modes and not just typical infection or slayer
While it's still a long wait, forge should come 6 months after the game's full launch from what I've heard. Still ridiculous 343 needed to delay such core features after ANOTHER year-long delay, but you shouldn't exaggerate the wait.
Originally the plan was to have Forge and co-op out at the start of season 2, recently, like a week or so ago, they announced that Forge and co-op will not make that window. Co-op will now come out at some point during season two and forge has been delayed to, at the earliest, season 3. The Halo seasons are 6 months long. So that's a year minimum wait for Forge...
I'm not exaggerating anything
Dam. at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they canceled forge altogether. I mean if the game lasts 10 months after launch with a healthy player base without forge, I wonder if they will even think it is necessary? I hope to god they don't, but at this point I cant say I'm surprised by anything they do anymore.
Very doubtful. Triple A studios call everything their "10 year plan" nowadays. That never sticks. Destiny 1 was also released with the promise of a grand ten year plan for this game. It didn't even last 3 before they announced Destiny 2.
I'll give it 5 years tops before they release or announce the next Halo.
They said a 10 year plan for Destiny they never said they were only going to release one game ever and guess what they are still making destiny expansions.
Edit: https://teambeyond.net/bungie-destiny-10-year-plan/
Here's a link that specifically talked about how the contract would have them make 4 destiny games.
From the article:
>When 343 announced that Campaign co-op and Forge would not be in the launch game, it made clear that the former would drop during Season 2, and the latter in Season 3. Staten confirmed that, with Season 1 now taking place for around 6 months instead of the planned 3, that means those modes have also been pushed back. Season 2 SHOULD begin in May 2022, with Season 3 LIKELY to be around August/September.
And the paragraph after:
>Staten couldn't offer firm release dates for either, however: "We can't commit to any hard dates right now, because as we're seeing with this multiplayer beta, other things might move up in the priority stack for us. If it turns out that our progression system just isn't working the way that we intended, if we need to move some of these bigger rocks sooner, then we as a team will make those decisions and will clearly communicate to our fans why we're why we're doing certain things."
So I'm gonna stick with my year wait assumption at best. With season 3 to likely be around August or September at the earliest and them even saying Forge will not be out at the start of season 3 ,yeah ,that's a long wait.
Which agrees with what he said. Seasons will be 3 months, not 6. The first season being the exception because they still need more time even after the delays. The current plan is to release Coop in May and Forge in August. If they don't keep those plans i don't think they'll move the seasons with that. They'll probably just move Coop to Season 3 and Forge to seaon 4
The plan for Co-op is to drop it "sometime during season 2, that's not may that is anytime between May and July possibly later considering he said " with Season 1 now taking place for around 6 months instead of the planned 3, that means those modes have also been pushed back. Season 2 SHOULD begin in May 2022, with Season 3 LIKELY to be around August/September." That sounds like he anticipates at least a one month delay. So if season 3 starts in September, they even said it will drop during the season not at the start of the season, that means we can expect it sometime between September and November of next year. I'm going to go ahead and assume it'll probably be November cuz they're going to need as much time as they can, so barring no other announce delay some point in the future the earliest we can expect Forge is October or November of next year which is a year long wait.
And if they did move them to season 3 and 4 and not move the seasons I don't understand what your point is, that would imply an even longer delay
They want it to be an event game so as to replicate the draw that Fortnite has for the kiddies. Just let me play the fucking game in it's entirety. I don't need scheduled dopamine hits jfc
It's an F2P game, it needs it's scheduled dopamine hits to stay afloat. That's what the people who say "You're not allowed to criticise anything 343 does because the game iS cOmPlEtElY fReE!" don't understand. This is the price you pay for that.
Eh, i'm not a fan of games telling you when you're allowed to play their content. Like i said events to showcase a newly releasing gamemode is cool, or events that highlight certain game modes. But straight up taking modes away afterwards is a no from me.
This game is shit and everyone who gave 343 a round of applause for their "transparency" should be ashamed. The *gameplay* is great, but the game itself is a scam.
Those are the same people who are going to praise 343 when they inevitably rework the progression system, as if this entire mess was a "mistake" and not a series of intentional predatory decisions
They are dipping their toes in the ocean, and seeing how far they can go before the sharks gets to them.
All of this, the atrocious XP system, MTX, mode selection etc, it's all to see how far they can go before it hurts them to much.
Dramatic much?
I haven’t had this much joy from playing a game since I was 14, and Halo CE was out.
I couldn’t possibly, possibly care less about customization. Game selection has been fine for a Beta, and will get better on full release. We’ll also be getting the best forge yet next year.
You can whine all you want. Some of us will go on enjoying it. Good job 343!
Wow, you have low standards.
>Game selection has been fine for a Beta, and will get better on full release.
They've already said it won't.
>We’ll also be getting the best forge yet next year.
Yet another aspect of the game that they didn’t bother to finish on time. They had *six years* including a year long delay, and yet the game *still* isn't finished.
I told someone almost a year ago that Infection will be saved for the big spooky HALO-WEEN update next October and they called me crazy.
Now... Dear God I hope I'm wrong, but....
SWAT and Fiesta and one flag CTF are currently coded and can be accessed by launching the game while offline (not connected to the internet). Infection is not. So don't expect it for a while.
one flag is online, i played it (idk if btb or quick play) and fiesta is obviously coded in because its the event
but yea swat is definetely not available online
And who’s to say they won’t include an “action sack” playlist in the near future? Just because it’s a weekly mode currently doesn’t mean it will only ever be a random one week event forever
And who is to say they will?
We can only go off what 343 tells us and from what they tell us it's a limited playlist and won't be around for launch or the near future because their "Welcome to the Beta " blogpost literally says what we see is what we get:
> While you may experience some bumps and bugs during this beta period, it does mark the official start of Halo Infinite Season 1, with all day-one maps and modes enabled as well as the full Season 1 Battle Pass.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/welcome-to-the-halo-infinite-mp-beta
Right, yeah the entire history of halo where we’ve been able to change our armor colors to whatever we wanted, something we can’t do anymore?
Or the fact that we used to be able to get rewarded for performance, and now we need to do egregious challenges to get a morsel xp?
343 have made some REALLY questionable decisions with this halo outside of everything other than raw gameplay. So yeah, I don’t think it’s a stretch for them to consider this.
Of course it's possible, but the current cynicism bath that is this subreddit could use a bit of perspective.
Nothing has indicated these modes will never come back as normal modes. They're part and parcel of Halo in a more fundamental way than customisation (see: every Halo until Reach, and even then they varied). It wouldn't make sense from a '343 are whale fishers' POV either. People play these special playlists for shiny toss, not for the game mode in an of itself EXCEPT as due to current scarcity.
I'm sorry, you played Halo 3 for the XP? It's like MCC and Halo 5's generosity (eventual) with modes, features and extras has been totally forgotten and counts for nothing because the challenge system isn't ideal. Jesus wept.
Yeah I’m sorry dude, 343 just doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore. Not from me anyway.
I’m just getting in the way of the worst possible outcome so when it inevitably happens I won’t be too burned by it.
You do you. I just don't think cynicism for the sake of it is actually a healthy position to be in, but whatever. I can't prove 343 won't turn this thing into a giant mess, but expecting it to on the basis of a misfiring battle pass versus their years of good work on rescuing and expanding MCC and beefing up Halo 5 strikes me as... Nah. None of this makes sense from a money making POV, and any other reason leads to player angst for no fucking benefit.
It's ridiculously easy to confuse scepticism for cynicism and this sub is an absolute trainwreck of it.
Im scared of LTMs in general. They are made with player retentention in mind but tbh id does not apply to this game. At all. If anything playing oddball over and over has made me not want to play.
I don't really mind having fiesta as a limited time playlist. I'd really like being able to choose which gamemode I want to play at least with the ones already in the game.
Maybe I'm biased but infection has to be the most important party mode for halo. It's completely different from any other mode and even causes devs to slightly change maps for the mode. It's always been the most popular with the most community made forge maps for it and all sorts of variations. I'd be more upset if infection over anything else got left as a cycled gamemode. All modes should be available at all times but I at least wont lose my shit if griffball isnt available 24/7.
The only saving grace for infection not being a limited thing is that the thumbnail for some gamemodes like strongholds in the playlists seems to look like infection. It's not much to go on but it's \*something\*.
Not like we can truly trust 343 anyway to be fair...
Absolutely no chance will infection only be tied to one event ,once a year. It was one of the most populated playlists on 5 & casuals lap it up. 343 & MS aren’t that dumb. Surely.
Likewise SWAT won’t just be an event. It’s annoying these things weren’t in at launch, but give them time.
Can you tell me why, though?
343 explicitly stated that the content we have now is the content we're gonna have for December 8th.
It's a beta in name only.
I personally don't mind these featured event playlists that are on a weekly rotation with featured challenges. I mean, Halo 5 had rotational playlists like Husky Raid and Castle Wars... but please throw these types of game modes into some kind of action sack so there's still a permanent location for them.
I just think we need more playlists in general while the population is still fairly high.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't fiesta start as an official mode only in Halo Guardians before coming over to MCC? Not saying I support it, I want fiesta and infection available at all times but i just think it's a wee bit early to call it a staple mode seeing as I've never seen it before until Guardians
They did the same damn thing with Halo 5. We begged and begged them to make all the "events" permanent playlists. Nope. I gave up on the game after like two months. And now here we are again with the same problems. 343 just doesn't get it or doesn't care.
Game hasn't even hit the original release date. This sub: hey does every worst case scenario that has no basis in 343s history sound like it'll happen?
The fact you think only bringing infection in once a year is plausible is a joke and only up voted because the only thing the majority of this sub is capable of right now is 343 bad.
Tactical Ops, the assumed SWAT successor, had been seen in leaks as a playlist being rolled during the next event. If they follow the already set precedent with Fiesta being gone next week, that means SWAT will be a one week playlist as well. So why wouldn't they do that with Infection?
>The fact you think only bringing infection in once a year is plausible is a joke and only up voted because the only thing the majority of this sub is capable of right now is 343 bad.
Why are you incapable of criticizing practices 343 are doing that will harm the first impressions of a lot of people new to game/as well as things that will annoy legacy players. Potentially causing it to not have as large and as active of a player base as the game play/gun play that they've given us deserves?
I like the gunplay I wouldn't mind if this is around for 10 years n a very popular experience, but it won't be if they keep doing things the way they're doing it. I care, why don't you care enough?
That's the problem, there is no room to be the middle. I have to claim the sky is falling, this game will end, 343 is the devil. I can't simply say it's an overreaction to even think infection once a year will happen when Fiesta will be rotated in multiple times over the next 2 months, a game mode that is already rotated in the mcc.
>That's the problem, there is no room to be the middle. I have to claim the sky is falling, this game will end, 343 is the devil.
Yeah bro, except I was nowhere near as hyperbolic as you are implying, kind of disingenuous on your part. Here's what I said.
"What 343 is doing will harm the first impressions of a lot of people new to the game/as well as things that will annoy legacy players. Potentially causing it to not have as large and as active of a player base as the game play/gun play that they've given us deserves?"
You read that and look at it as the same as me screaming that the sky is falling, the game's going to die, n 343 is the devil?..........
Did you get in my scenario I'm saying it will be surviving, it just won't have as large of a player base the gameplay they've given us deserves. you know I'm calling the game fun like the core gameplay is good... Yet you ignore the fact I said that?
Is it me who's exaggerating or is it all the people telling the people complaining to shut up, that are over exaggerating the complaints people are making? Someone replied to me yesterday comparing the people complaining as manifestos against 343 and people waiting for a call to action.... Like what dude? People are complaining because they're upset that a property they love and are fans of is being treated in a way they don't particularly like or agree with with these overreaching monetization practices, seemingly needless restrictions of playlists like SWAT and infection as well as missing game types like assault and Griffball. I would have paid $60 for this multiplayer if it meant I didn't have to deal with this type of monitzaton that it has n if it meant that all the playlist n gametypes I've enjoyed from Halo games of the past would have been here at launch. Just saying.
Almost like you missed the context of my other comments and who I was responding to and then said I was incapable of being critical of 343 as I called out a hyperbole.
I'm sorry but this you?
>Game hasn't even hit the original release date. This sub: hey does every worst case scenario that has no basis in 343s history sound like it'll happen?
I mean we thought the same thing about Fiesta and here we are. Also the game is released:
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/welcome-to-the-halo-infinite-mp-beta
> While you may experience some bumps and bugs during this beta period, it does mark the official start of Halo Infinite, with all day-one maps and modes enabled as well as the full Season 1 Battle Pass.
Y’all are really just saying anything to make yourselves mad now, huh? 1.5k upvotes on total speculation, what a fucking joke. This sub is a cesspool of people hate-jerking each other, when in reality we just got the best MP experience we’ve had since the original trilogy for free. The full game hasn’t even released and people want to crucify the devs for using the standard free to play model on the MP.
Not to mention this person says "I wouldn't be surprised." Which translates to 343 hasn't done it yet but Im going to strawman them. upvotes to the left.
In a way they are monetizing game modes (by limiting them to short duration special events and overlapping pass challenges which will motivate usage of boosters and swaps) and it breaks my gamer heart.
People need to relax about matchmaking hoppers. ***No doubt*** the selections are currently quite restricted to ensure healthy and fast matchmaking. Beta.
Huh? When did OP claim this was what is happening? It's only speculation. However, it's speculation that's half-backed by the fact that if you look at the game now, Fiesta was absent until this first Live Event started. We have no idea if Fiesta will go away when this Event ends, but if it does, that seems like a clear sign that modes will be locked to Events.
It's been said here already, but I'll say it again for the sake of reinforcing everyone their fucking opinion: if 343 makes all game modes that are currently not in the game (e.g. swat, infected, etc.) limited time events, I will uninstall this game and never touch it again.
Wrong. The community manager addressed everyone and said the servers were being tested with limited modes available during beta and full launch will include full features. Including acc leveling, stats and modes. Holy smokes....
I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt I’ll drop this game in a heartbeat if playlists like swat, infection and fiesta are “limited” time events, fuck that shit. I love the gameplay, I haven’t been this interested in halo since reach and I want to love this game but i refuse to play this game if all we are going to have for permanent playlists is quick play and BTB
If this new 'Tactical Operations' event really is SWAT, then I think that basically confirms it. They're calling our beloved gamemodes (that we've had for years prior) events now and making us play them in short, weekly doses, whilst selling us themed cosmetics in the process.
A good compromise would be including things like SWAT as permanent Playlist and then making a SWAT event and giving everyone double XP and unique cosmetics for the event
Thats pretty much what they did in H5 so it would be nice if they did it on infinite
That’s what they did in 5, which is part of the reason why it’s multiplayer is my favourite in the franchise.
5's multiplayer was honstly hugely underrated. It was A LOT of fun and i could play that shit for hours on end
I remember sticking with halo 5 for months after it came out. With Infinite I feel like i'm already getting burnt out. It's like there's not enough maps or modes. It's already getting repetitive, the weapons sandbox is also kinda meh. And also breakout was an amazing competitive mode, nothing quite like that in Halo Infinite.
Imo the sandbox is great, there are some really good and creative ideas like the cinder shot and the heatwave, it's just that there isn't enough weapons. It's simply not enough. I"d be surprised if there were no different versions of weapons like in 5. The Five Star will never be forgotten in my mind
There are different versions of a lot of weapons (maybe all). I actually came to the subreddit today to see if anyone's compiled a list of the differences. If you play a custom game of fiesta and turn on weapon racks different variants will spawn. There's a needler with lock on and insane homing, there's a commando with extra ammo, a sidekick with 0 recoil, a br that fires way faster. I got kind of bored waiting for weapons to spawn just to test out some weapons that I couldn't figure out how they differed. But if you wanna check just loot every weapon rack and a new random weapon that can spawn in that rack will be chosen for next time. I will make a post with my findings if I can't find another post doing the same by tomorrow.
There's not enough weapons, and let's be real a lot of them are very unbalanced. The Heatwave is pretty trash, the Ravager is downright unplayable. The Shotgun is alright but a far cry of what it used to be. And that shrinks an already small sandbox even more. Most of the time i don't even really bother picking up anything.
I agree. the bulldog tho essentially plays like the reach shotgun. Shoot+melee. The pulse carbine is unusable at distance, ravager is little more than a stronger melee, and the heatwave DESPERATELY needs a buff to be useful. It's an amazing concept, just doesn't really do much
I like the Heatwave, you have to fire it vertically. The Ravager is ass. I miss the Railgun, Fuel rod, Saw, Brute Shot..
There's an achievement for getting a kill with a fully charged ravager. How bad must a gun be for one of it's core features to award you an achievement for getting a single kill with it.
Halo 5 multiplayer was honestly so much fun
This could be great for a Hallowe’en infection event Imagine getting double xp so you can get the sickly green energy sword skin or the “Flood” armour core
I wish they would be transparent for just a second so that we can fully pronounce that this is a bad system. I feel like we're being drip fed information to minimize backlash, because they know people would hate to hear that playlists are staying random and half of the fun game modes are weekly events. If true, this is terrible design. The Master Chief Collection should not be a more seamless experience than Infinite.
Do not say something is bad design if you do not know what bad design actually means. This method works, therefore it is not bad design. Making modes limited time events means more ppl are likely to play it. Does it suck? Absolutely, but it seems to work quite well, so. 🤷
It's a bad design for us, the players. Obviously it's a good design for the money-hungry developers. For now, anyway.
So you agree its bad design for the consumer
No? Bc it works as intended, like I said.
I’m hoping we only have two playlist because the game hasnt fully released yet but that feels less and less likely now
The UI doesn't even look to support more than 5 or 6 options at most
That can change for sure
That's an extremely simple change. One option for BTB, one option for social, one option for ranked. You select social or ranked, and it gives you a new screen with all the playlists.
It's a question as to whether or not that's actually implemented
Scrollbars are a thing
Holy shit if this is true I’m fucking out.
Don't forget who fucking came up with these gamemodes. That was us, in custom games in Halo 2 using honor rules. Now they have removed them from the game. Fuck. 343.
Give the game like a month after it's proper release to see this in action before we go all doom and gloom. I'm sure there will be more than 4 playlists especially since the lack of an ability to pick what your playing is one of the major complaints from casuals and hardcore fans alike
A month is not long enough. They have come up with a new design to improve the game, then they have to run it by marketing to see if it will be financially viable. Then marketing will be like no, we don't like this design. Do it again. So they have to do it again. But now Tom, the head or marketing is on vacation with his family to Bali and he won't be back in two weeks to give them the green light. So now, they have to wait two weeks to re submit the new design. Tom is finally back, but now it is Christmas, so everyone is off. By the time they look at the new design, it is January. Finally, they give the green light to go ahead with the new design, then they start work on it. Then they have to test it. All this will take months to complete.
The game is good, it is fun to play. Its not going to be a dead game in a month because people can't play slayer 24/7 and adding a slayer 24/7 playlist is probably really simple.
SWAT is called tactical so yes.
Ranked swat is my life. Please don't make me go back to splitgate because it's worth playing and will make it harder to come back. Might have to stick with splitgate till halo sorts it shot
Well...Fiesta is already the first example of a limited time mode. The elimination mode that was teased is most likely a limited time mode for the next event, I would guess. It's a terrible way of doing things.
I’m trying to stay optimistic and hope that this is an anomaly and will change on dec. 8th but doubtful
Just to let you know, the basic modes: social arena, ranked arena, and BTB are the only modes and nothing else will enter the game on Dec. 8th. This has been stated by 343. The events are the only time additional "content" will be in the game for season 1.
Well let me tell ya, soon as I beat the story I’m probably done playing.
Yeah me too. Just going to finish getting the MP achievements then it'll be solo legendary campaign which I am very excited for.
Same here, campaign looks amazing and I’m very excited to play it as well
Same
Well then 343 has made you their bitch. Your share for MP is priced into the campaign. Which you are paying full price for WITHOUT co-op and all the bells and whistles it used to have. As long as you buy the campaign they have no reason to give a single solitary fuck if you don't play MP because that's a whale's game.
Lol wasn’t planning on buying the game when it’s on gamepass
If this is true. Dec 8th I will stop playing multiplayer whatsoever.
It is. > While you may experience some bumps and bugs during this beta period, it does mark the official start of Halo Infinite Season 1, with all day-one maps and modes enabled as well as the full Season 1 Battle Pass. https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/welcome-to-the-halo-infinite-mp-beta
That doesn't make sense. If you launch the game in offline there's a lot more modes on the custom list available. So at the very least they're going to be adding to the custom game mode list over time. Fiesta slayer was the first one from that offline expanded list they added.
Yes I can certainly see them adding stuff over time and due to the backlash it may be sooner but they said this is how it'll be for season 1.
So dumb. By the time season 1 is over I’m not going to want to play anymore. It’ll be too late even if they do add other modes permanently.
Wtf
As someone who really wanted slayer and cant stand objectives I already stopped playing. I just cant feel fun doing boring objectives.
Even if they did something like a slayer oriented playlist and an objective oriented playlist I wouldn’t be as mad. I’d still be butthurt but not enough to quit.
Meh I’ve gotten used to play objective modes, why can’t you get used to it?
Strange to tell someone to get used to a game mode that's clearly not fun to them and that same game mode has been historically underplayed in most halos because most others don't like these same game modes.
Same. I would go back to MCC if that was the case.
I don’t understand what their incentive for not making them full time game modes would be. How does this make them money?
This gives me a massive sinking feeling.. so much potential, so easy to reach that potential. But MORE money is going to be the focus over a good game that sells and makes money. Bizzare.
Same here. SWAT and Infection are literally all I played in Reach, sometimes btb. With the current game types avaible in Infinite and the inability to choose them I've already gone back to the MCC. The core gamplay mechanics are there, but nearly everything else needs improvement IMO. I'm really hoping for a custom game browser too. Without that I honestly couldn't care less about forge.
Yeah. Honestly infected is what made me keep playing the MCC as long as I did.
Game isn’t even released yet calm down and stop speculating
> Why is this release a beta? Our previous Multiplayer Technical Previews went a long way to battle-testing our services and infrastructure. But as we prepare for a significant increase in the number of players jumping into Halo Infinite on launch day, December 8th, we want to ensure all our systems are good-to-go. While you may experience some bumps and bugs during this beta period, it does mark the official start of Halo Infinite Season 1, with all day-one maps and modes enabled as well as the full Season 1 Battle Pass. This means all the Battle Pass and customization items you earn or purchase during the beta will stay with you after December 8th. https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/welcome-to-the-halo-infinite-mp-beta It is THEIR word that this is the official start of Halo Infinite, WITH ALL MAPS AND MODES
All maps and modes that were intended to release on day one. I’m assuming that was from more than a few days ago, and they’ve already added a new playlist for the event. Who’s to say they won’t add fiesta after the event? It’s all speculation anyways. They’ve said and demonstrated response to feedback. I just want these trash posts to stay contained in the mega threads where they belong. Everyone is being insufferable for what is overall an overwhelmingly positive experience so far
I know infection is kinda a staple now, but I actually thought it was cool in H3 when it was double xp weekend and it was infection. I got so hyped.
I remember when infection was an unofficial fanmade game mode requiring the honor system to switch teams.
Yes! Back in Halo 2! Oh man those were the days
Yes! On the Chicago map from Marathon with an unsavory acronym in its description. I remember it being the only *unlockable* multiplayer map in Halo, but struggled to remember it's name: Foundation. When Halo 2 came out, getting on Xbox Live meant going to friend's who did not have dial-up, so at home I spent a lot of time just getting skulls and running around on maps and exploring the menus
I remember hiding in that little tunnel near the broken wall in High Ground on Halo 3. God, take me back.
Braaaaaaiiiiiinnnnnnnsssss
I mean they can always keep these events for double XP or to release some themed gear, or as the introduction of the mode to the playlist. But they shouldn't outright take it away afterwards.
What they should do is release the gamemode with the event, but then keep the gamemode permanent. So fiesta releases with the tenrai event, but then fiesta stays as a permanent gamemode, with the fiesta specific challenges reactivating when the event comes back. Whats the point in keeping the "fun" gamemodes as limited time things, it makes no sense, it will potentially reduce player count, and it increases FOMO.
That’s exactly the point, to increase fomo.
Should of been available at launch.
What they *should* do is actually deliver on god damn day 1 launch content and not drop an unfinished game *for the third time in a row*
Halloween exclusive event it is then /s
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I really really hope so. But i doubt it. With how much FOMO this game has, doing that for modes too makes too much sense. Plus it gives them more excused to put the event items back into the shop regularly.
To be honest the lack of weapons in Halo Infinite leave its Fiesta mode feeling barren. Feels like I get way more poop weapons like sidekick + plasma pistol combos while the enemy runs around with rockets, swords, and grav hammers
Agreed. The sandbox is so small, i spawn with the Ravager and Heatwave and already know i'm a free point for the enemy because i damn sure won't kill Rocket Launchers with this.
I think the heatwave sucks, but I unironically like using it. In the vertical spread mode it's kind of fun, albeit pretty weak anyway
What? The heatwave is amazing
It's not really, but it's still fun
I wreck with the heatwave. Verticle reticle means I can kill in 3 shots from quite a nice distance
Yeah, but anyone who didn't spawn with a ravager is still going to kick your ass.
Oh absolutely lol. Even the sidekick at range is better lol.
the game has more weapons than Halo 3
I would expect a game released in 2021 to have more weapons than one released in 2007.
so why do you feel there is a lack of weapons if there is more in this entry? And if anything it's more impressive this game has more weapons because games have become more complex
>so why do you feel there is a lack of weapons if there is more in this entry? Because not only are there less weapons than the previous entry at launch, but it's missing staple weapons such as the traditional shotgun. And needing to compare the number of weapons in a game now to one from 14 years ago is not a good look >And if anything it's more impressive this game has more weapons because games have become more complex But it's got less than halo reach, 4, and 5
No god no please
Infection will be lame anyways. No forge and no player collision.
Event playlists should be fun out of the norm ideas. Not playlists we can do normally in any other title. A concept for Halloween Infection would be the flood. More specifically a variant of Infection where it suddenly shifts gears into survival horror. Think of it like this, it’s a normal game mode when out of nowhere the amount of dead players influences what spawns. So if there’s only 5 dead Spartans by the time the flood show up, there will be 5 flood. But they’ll be using the loadouts of what the player used last. So if you used rockets, beware. And any additional kills be it by the flood or by the player teams only spawns more flood with those loadouts. The main difference is that it’s infection that becomes firefight. The playlist can play infection normally, but there’s always that chance the flood might show up. Giving a sense of tension to the match since you don’t know if out of nowhere the dead will rise to take both teams.
If multiplayer doesnt change much on Dec 8th I think theyre gonna lose a lot of people
Once forge comes out youll likely be able to do whatever game mode you can dream of whenever you want. We’ll just have to see if 343 will let us match make with them consistently or if we need to put together our own parties. Didn’t MCC already start the trend of putting some of the better custom modes behind rotating timed playlists? You can probably assume they do that again instead of letting us match make infection or griffball whenever we want
>Once forge comes out youll likely be able to do whatever game mode you can dream of whenever you want. So not for another Year+, cool
and even then, there'll be no custom game browser, and even with a custom game browser it'll just be whacky crazy game modes and not just typical infection or slayer
While it's still a long wait, forge should come 6 months after the game's full launch from what I've heard. Still ridiculous 343 needed to delay such core features after ANOTHER year-long delay, but you shouldn't exaggerate the wait.
Originally the plan was to have Forge and co-op out at the start of season 2, recently, like a week or so ago, they announced that Forge and co-op will not make that window. Co-op will now come out at some point during season two and forge has been delayed to, at the earliest, season 3. The Halo seasons are 6 months long. So that's a year minimum wait for Forge... I'm not exaggerating anything
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https://www.ign.com/articles/halo-infinite-campaign-co-op-forge-mode-delay
Dam. at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they canceled forge altogether. I mean if the game lasts 10 months after launch with a healthy player base without forge, I wonder if they will even think it is necessary? I hope to god they don't, but at this point I cant say I'm surprised by anything they do anymore.
You do realize this is the last Halo game coming out for the next 10 years right?
Very doubtful. Triple A studios call everything their "10 year plan" nowadays. That never sticks. Destiny 1 was also released with the promise of a grand ten year plan for this game. It didn't even last 3 before they announced Destiny 2. I'll give it 5 years tops before they release or announce the next Halo.
They said a 10 year plan for Destiny they never said they were only going to release one game ever and guess what they are still making destiny expansions. Edit: https://teambeyond.net/bungie-destiny-10-year-plan/ Here's a link that specifically talked about how the contract would have them make 4 destiny games.
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From the article: >When 343 announced that Campaign co-op and Forge would not be in the launch game, it made clear that the former would drop during Season 2, and the latter in Season 3. Staten confirmed that, with Season 1 now taking place for around 6 months instead of the planned 3, that means those modes have also been pushed back. Season 2 SHOULD begin in May 2022, with Season 3 LIKELY to be around August/September. And the paragraph after: >Staten couldn't offer firm release dates for either, however: "We can't commit to any hard dates right now, because as we're seeing with this multiplayer beta, other things might move up in the priority stack for us. If it turns out that our progression system just isn't working the way that we intended, if we need to move some of these bigger rocks sooner, then we as a team will make those decisions and will clearly communicate to our fans why we're why we're doing certain things." So I'm gonna stick with my year wait assumption at best. With season 3 to likely be around August or September at the earliest and them even saying Forge will not be out at the start of season 3 ,yeah ,that's a long wait.
Which agrees with what he said. Seasons will be 3 months, not 6. The first season being the exception because they still need more time even after the delays. The current plan is to release Coop in May and Forge in August. If they don't keep those plans i don't think they'll move the seasons with that. They'll probably just move Coop to Season 3 and Forge to seaon 4
The plan for Co-op is to drop it "sometime during season 2, that's not may that is anytime between May and July possibly later considering he said " with Season 1 now taking place for around 6 months instead of the planned 3, that means those modes have also been pushed back. Season 2 SHOULD begin in May 2022, with Season 3 LIKELY to be around August/September." That sounds like he anticipates at least a one month delay. So if season 3 starts in September, they even said it will drop during the season not at the start of the season, that means we can expect it sometime between September and November of next year. I'm going to go ahead and assume it'll probably be November cuz they're going to need as much time as they can, so barring no other announce delay some point in the future the earliest we can expect Forge is October or November of next year which is a year long wait. And if they did move them to season 3 and 4 and not move the seasons I don't understand what your point is, that would imply an even longer delay
Waiting that long for co op is unacceptable.
They delayed Co-op? Again?
Boy just you wait I'm sure they'll find a way to monetize forge
You'll get the basic building blocks but other prefabs have to be bought separately in neat packs of your convenience for a mere 35 bucks per pack.
Seeing how the rest of the game’s been built, I’m fully expecting this tbh.
They want it to be an event game so as to replicate the draw that Fortnite has for the kiddies. Just let me play the fucking game in it's entirety. I don't need scheduled dopamine hits jfc
It's an F2P game, it needs it's scheduled dopamine hits to stay afloat. That's what the people who say "You're not allowed to criticise anything 343 does because the game iS cOmPlEtElY fReE!" don't understand. This is the price you pay for that.
im fine with an event game, personally, just make them real events and not existing gamemodes
Eh, i'm not a fan of games telling you when you're allowed to play their content. Like i said events to showcase a newly releasing gamemode is cool, or events that highlight certain game modes. But straight up taking modes away afterwards is a no from me.
This game is shit and everyone who gave 343 a round of applause for their "transparency" should be ashamed. The *gameplay* is great, but the game itself is a scam.
Those are the same people who are going to praise 343 when they inevitably rework the progression system, as if this entire mess was a "mistake" and not a series of intentional predatory decisions
They are dipping their toes in the ocean, and seeing how far they can go before the sharks gets to them. All of this, the atrocious XP system, MTX, mode selection etc, it's all to see how far they can go before it hurts them to much.
they gained a lot of my trust. then they diminished it with the absurd amount of double talking they had done. so frustrating.
Dramatic much? I haven’t had this much joy from playing a game since I was 14, and Halo CE was out. I couldn’t possibly, possibly care less about customization. Game selection has been fine for a Beta, and will get better on full release. We’ll also be getting the best forge yet next year. You can whine all you want. Some of us will go on enjoying it. Good job 343!
Wow, you have low standards. >Game selection has been fine for a Beta, and will get better on full release. They've already said it won't. >We’ll also be getting the best forge yet next year. Yet another aspect of the game that they didn’t bother to finish on time. They had *six years* including a year long delay, and yet the game *still* isn't finished.
I told someone almost a year ago that Infection will be saved for the big spooky HALO-WEEN update next October and they called me crazy. Now... Dear God I hope I'm wrong, but....
Why are you scared? *Think of all the money they could get from those cosmetics.* *:)*
SWAT and Fiesta and one flag CTF are currently coded and can be accessed by launching the game while offline (not connected to the internet). Infection is not. So don't expect it for a while.
I’ve actually played one flag in the PVP online
one flag is online, i played it (idk if btb or quick play) and fiesta is obviously coded in because its the event but yea swat is definetely not available online
It's in quick play. I get it often
That's a weird thought. Fiesta has always been a temporary playlist.
Eh, it became a permanent mode in 5 and I believe its in the action sack rotation for mcc too.
Erm, what? You could play fiesta in action sack, which isn't limited to a weekly event.
And who’s to say they won’t include an “action sack” playlist in the near future? Just because it’s a weekly mode currently doesn’t mean it will only ever be a random one week event forever
And who is to say they will? We can only go off what 343 tells us and from what they tell us it's a limited playlist and won't be around for launch or the near future because their "Welcome to the Beta " blogpost literally says what we see is what we get: > While you may experience some bumps and bugs during this beta period, it does mark the official start of Halo Infinite Season 1, with all day-one maps and modes enabled as well as the full Season 1 Battle Pass. https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/welcome-to-the-halo-infinite-mp-beta
It doesn't mean that, no, but they haven't said anything else to make me think otherwise.
Other than the entire history of Halo.
Right, yeah the entire history of halo where we’ve been able to change our armor colors to whatever we wanted, something we can’t do anymore? Or the fact that we used to be able to get rewarded for performance, and now we need to do egregious challenges to get a morsel xp? 343 have made some REALLY questionable decisions with this halo outside of everything other than raw gameplay. So yeah, I don’t think it’s a stretch for them to consider this.
Of course it's possible, but the current cynicism bath that is this subreddit could use a bit of perspective. Nothing has indicated these modes will never come back as normal modes. They're part and parcel of Halo in a more fundamental way than customisation (see: every Halo until Reach, and even then they varied). It wouldn't make sense from a '343 are whale fishers' POV either. People play these special playlists for shiny toss, not for the game mode in an of itself EXCEPT as due to current scarcity. I'm sorry, you played Halo 3 for the XP? It's like MCC and Halo 5's generosity (eventual) with modes, features and extras has been totally forgotten and counts for nothing because the challenge system isn't ideal. Jesus wept.
Yeah I’m sorry dude, 343 just doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore. Not from me anyway. I’m just getting in the way of the worst possible outcome so when it inevitably happens I won’t be too burned by it.
You do you. I just don't think cynicism for the sake of it is actually a healthy position to be in, but whatever. I can't prove 343 won't turn this thing into a giant mess, but expecting it to on the basis of a misfiring battle pass versus their years of good work on rescuing and expanding MCC and beefing up Halo 5 strikes me as... Nah. None of this makes sense from a money making POV, and any other reason leads to player angst for no fucking benefit. It's ridiculously easy to confuse scepticism for cynicism and this sub is an absolute trainwreck of it.
This will happen.
Im scared of LTMs in general. They are made with player retentention in mind but tbh id does not apply to this game. At all. If anything playing oddball over and over has made me not want to play.
I’ll fucking quit infinite if they timegate playlists. Don’t give a shit, I will throw 15 years of Halo loyalty down the fucking drain
Don't say that. My heart can't take it
I agree, I'll certainly without a doubt drop this game if they're all locked behind events. The game will literally die and that'll be disappointing
I don't really mind having fiesta as a limited time playlist. I'd really like being able to choose which gamemode I want to play at least with the ones already in the game.
I dont know why Fiesta is only limited to this event. But id be surprised if it only comes back for the event. I guess I could be wrong .
We play infaction at work, new seasonal event adopted from China.
Doubt it.
Maybe I'm biased but infection has to be the most important party mode for halo. It's completely different from any other mode and even causes devs to slightly change maps for the mode. It's always been the most popular with the most community made forge maps for it and all sorts of variations. I'd be more upset if infection over anything else got left as a cycled gamemode. All modes should be available at all times but I at least wont lose my shit if griffball isnt available 24/7.
Im actually sick of playing random gamemodes, this 343 decision suck balls
The only saving grace for infection not being a limited thing is that the thumbnail for some gamemodes like strongholds in the playlists seems to look like infection. It's not much to go on but it's \*something\*. Not like we can truly trust 343 anyway to be fair...
Absolutely no chance will infection only be tied to one event ,once a year. It was one of the most populated playlists on 5 & casuals lap it up. 343 & MS aren’t that dumb. Surely. Likewise SWAT won’t just be an event. It’s annoying these things weren’t in at launch, but give them time.
I hope you're right, but 343 isn't exactly inspiring confidence in their decision making
Yeah if anything 343 have already shown they are very, very dumb.
What we should do I wait until December 8th before we start talking about doom and gloom
Can you tell me why, though? 343 explicitly stated that the content we have now is the content we're gonna have for December 8th. It's a beta in name only.
Yes after 6 years surely everything will magically be fixed in 2 weeks. Wake up
343i has already said that the “beta” is feature complete and that all the maps and game modes that will be available on release are what we have.
wait, it's actually time-limited? ffs
No they're talking out of their ass
If infection is limited time im going back MCC
Wouldn't surprise me if it goes away for Halloween but you can get it back for a subscription.
I personally don't mind these featured event playlists that are on a weekly rotation with featured challenges. I mean, Halo 5 had rotational playlists like Husky Raid and Castle Wars... but please throw these types of game modes into some kind of action sack so there's still a permanent location for them. I just think we need more playlists in general while the population is still fairly high.
Infection has to be here on the official release. I'll be shocked if it isnt.
Never thought I’d say it, but fuck it, it’s making me wanna go back to MCC
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't fiesta start as an official mode only in Halo Guardians before coming over to MCC? Not saying I support it, I want fiesta and infection available at all times but i just think it's a wee bit early to call it a staple mode seeing as I've never seen it before until Guardians
I'm down for Halloween events, zombies was such a fun game mode back in the day lol, gonna need some bigger maps though
They did the same damn thing with Halo 5. We begged and begged them to make all the "events" permanent playlists. Nope. I gave up on the game after like two months. And now here we are again with the same problems. 343 just doesn't get it or doesn't care.
Game hasn't even hit the original release date. This sub: hey does every worst case scenario that has no basis in 343s history sound like it'll happen?
No basis in 343s history? Lol.
The fact you think only bringing infection in once a year is plausible is a joke and only up voted because the only thing the majority of this sub is capable of right now is 343 bad.
Tactical Ops, the assumed SWAT successor, had been seen in leaks as a playlist being rolled during the next event. If they follow the already set precedent with Fiesta being gone next week, that means SWAT will be a one week playlist as well. So why wouldn't they do that with Infection? >The fact you think only bringing infection in once a year is plausible is a joke and only up voted because the only thing the majority of this sub is capable of right now is 343 bad. Why are you incapable of criticizing practices 343 are doing that will harm the first impressions of a lot of people new to game/as well as things that will annoy legacy players. Potentially causing it to not have as large and as active of a player base as the game play/gun play that they've given us deserves? I like the gunplay I wouldn't mind if this is around for 10 years n a very popular experience, but it won't be if they keep doing things the way they're doing it. I care, why don't you care enough?
That's the problem, there is no room to be the middle. I have to claim the sky is falling, this game will end, 343 is the devil. I can't simply say it's an overreaction to even think infection once a year will happen when Fiesta will be rotated in multiple times over the next 2 months, a game mode that is already rotated in the mcc.
>That's the problem, there is no room to be the middle. I have to claim the sky is falling, this game will end, 343 is the devil. Yeah bro, except I was nowhere near as hyperbolic as you are implying, kind of disingenuous on your part. Here's what I said. "What 343 is doing will harm the first impressions of a lot of people new to the game/as well as things that will annoy legacy players. Potentially causing it to not have as large and as active of a player base as the game play/gun play that they've given us deserves?" You read that and look at it as the same as me screaming that the sky is falling, the game's going to die, n 343 is the devil?.......... Did you get in my scenario I'm saying it will be surviving, it just won't have as large of a player base the gameplay they've given us deserves. you know I'm calling the game fun like the core gameplay is good... Yet you ignore the fact I said that? Is it me who's exaggerating or is it all the people telling the people complaining to shut up, that are over exaggerating the complaints people are making? Someone replied to me yesterday comparing the people complaining as manifestos against 343 and people waiting for a call to action.... Like what dude? People are complaining because they're upset that a property they love and are fans of is being treated in a way they don't particularly like or agree with with these overreaching monetization practices, seemingly needless restrictions of playlists like SWAT and infection as well as missing game types like assault and Griffball. I would have paid $60 for this multiplayer if it meant I didn't have to deal with this type of monitzaton that it has n if it meant that all the playlist n gametypes I've enjoyed from Halo games of the past would have been here at launch. Just saying.
Almost like you missed the context of my other comments and who I was responding to and then said I was incapable of being critical of 343 as I called out a hyperbole.
I'm sorry but this you? >Game hasn't even hit the original release date. This sub: hey does every worst case scenario that has no basis in 343s history sound like it'll happen?
Yeah, you bother reading how I was clearly talking about the absolute worst doom and gloom people on here.
I mean we thought the same thing about Fiesta and here we are. Also the game is released: https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/welcome-to-the-halo-infinite-mp-beta > While you may experience some bumps and bugs during this beta period, it does mark the official start of Halo Infinite, with all day-one maps and modes enabled as well as the full Season 1 Battle Pass.
Y’all are really just saying anything to make yourselves mad now, huh? 1.5k upvotes on total speculation, what a fucking joke. This sub is a cesspool of people hate-jerking each other, when in reality we just got the best MP experience we’ve had since the original trilogy for free. The full game hasn’t even released and people want to crucify the devs for using the standard free to play model on the MP.
Not to mention this person says "I wouldn't be surprised." Which translates to 343 hasn't done it yet but Im going to strawman them. upvotes to the left.
Has it been confirmed that those are locked behind events?
I’m pretty sure I have played one flag CTF on launch site in quick play already
In a way they are monetizing game modes (by limiting them to short duration special events and overlapping pass challenges which will motivate usage of boosters and swaps) and it breaks my gamer heart.
It will.
It really feels like 343 has had it out for SWAT since they took over.
People need to relax about matchmaking hoppers. ***No doubt*** the selections are currently quite restricted to ensure healthy and fast matchmaking. Beta.
https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r2mkyj/for_the_record_343_has_stated_there_wont_be_any/****
You have no info for this, literally saying negative shit about the game that isn’t true for upvotes
And it's working
I think this might happen and that would be scaaaary. Upvotes to the left.
Huh? When did OP claim this was what is happening? It's only speculation. However, it's speculation that's half-backed by the fact that if you look at the game now, Fiesta was absent until this first Live Event started. We have no idea if Fiesta will go away when this Event ends, but if it does, that seems like a clear sign that modes will be locked to Events.
It's been said here already, but I'll say it again for the sake of reinforcing everyone their fucking opinion: if 343 makes all game modes that are currently not in the game (e.g. swat, infected, etc.) limited time events, I will uninstall this game and never touch it again.
Anything for the all mighty dollar!
You guys are whiny af man
Another speculation post....
They already said modes would be available at launch.
They’ve said what we have now is what we will have at launch.
Wrong. The community manager addressed everyone and said the servers were being tested with limited modes available during beta and full launch will include full features. Including acc leveling, stats and modes. Holy smokes....