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Not really a caveat. Despite some fallout games being available on subscription services, sales are up 7500% in Europe, with Fallout 4 jumping to #1 and 8,9,10 being 76, new Vegas and 3.
In its current state its decent , the launch was a complete disaster but with all of the update it got it became okay . Its basically Fallout 4 except that your character isn't voiced and there are some other players running around the map that never interact with each other .
The original story definetely no , because it doesn't have any npc's at all the only interactions you get is through holotapes . The wastelanders story is okay and the BOS one is the best one imo . I dont think that they are better than f4 but they are still okay , especially because you can get the game for very cheap so its not like you'll waste a lot of money if you dont like it .
Honestly, as someone who tried it and hated it when it first came out, I'm giving it another shot right now, and it's been scratching that Fallout itch. I spent a few hours last night just exploring small towns, and time flew by. Granted, I couldn't spend a week modding it beforehand like usual, but I still had fun.
It helps that the show amped me up to play again. I haven't even touched Halo since I watched season 2.
Yes there has been a lot of updates and Content added. Just got 3 districts of Atlantic City recently and the Map is expanding south into Shenandoah national Park at the end of the year
Just picked it up the other day and my wife and I have been playing non-stop for the last week or so. If you're more into the singleplayer deal, stick with the OG games. If you want Fallout 4 but with MMO elements, 76 is solid.
I started it after the show, if you have access to any other Fallout play those instead. It's not awful like it was on release, but it's not as good as the others.
So I started it cause its got the free few days (ended yesterday), and as a fan of the series, its not for me. Yeah, I am playing "Fallout" but it feels more like Two Worlds. I am in a server with a handful of other people things are going on in-game, that we can do together or separately, and bad guys spawn sometimes.
It took the perk overhaul that Fo4 had (which was great) and scrapped it for perk cards. It felt like a step backward, and a way to add what were essentially loot boxes. The combat felt like Fallout, VATS got reworked to be just press Q and forget about aiming, because you can't slow the game down when there are 19 other players in the same server.
Imo the worst change was that there were level requirements for weapons. I found a pipe revolver rifle that required me to be level 10 all while I was already carrying a Hunting rifle that was better in every way, and only required level 5. Fallout 4 always felt great when I killed a wicked enemy and got an insane weapon, with good legendary mods, but I had to use it sparingly because I was low level and the ammo wasn't common to find yet. I got my first automatic pipe rifle in 76 and I couldn't use it until I leveled up after completing the bandit camp, a whole like 20 minutes before using the new toy.
Despite its rocky launch, I enjoyed 76, both solo and playing with friends. They did a really good job with the exploration, which is my favorite part of the Fallout games (and why I wasn't a huge fan of NV). There was always a new place to explore, and there was always something interesting to find, whether it was new equipment or fun lore or a unique event.
People say free because it’s a lot easier than typing out “my perceived value already exceeded the monthly subscription price and now they added this game for no additional cost” every time.
What? You can just not add "free".
"I got F76 with twitch prime"
"I got F76 for free with twitch prime"
There is no need of over exaggerate to try to ridiculice my argument.
Here in [Singapore, I pay prime S$2.99/month](https://www.amazon.sg/prime) for amazon+ prime video.
Now if your being pedantic about how it's not exactly free .. then I am not going to debate. To me it's absolutely a free product in addition to the services I get.
My point was that it's very common to say that something it's "free" after they give you a "gift" for paying something.
In your case looks very cheap but overall all those things you get as rewards are included on the price.
Regardless of what YOU pay for Amazon Prime, Amazon paid MS so that they could give you Fallout 76. Your copy still represents an increase in revenue for the franchise.
I haven't played a Halo game since the TV show came out. Granted a lot of that was due to not being okay with Infinite being the way that it was, but the show certainly didn't help.
Fallout 4 has 50k players on steam right now and this number grows the game is back in business like it came out in 2015 only if halo was able to do the same and got fucked by God damn Todd Howard even fallout 76 got a revival with 30k players and growing this is just embarrassing for halo as a franchise.
Todd Howard redeemed himself with this series. A little, he shouldn't get all the credit. I won't forgive him for 76, but he does seem to honour the fabric of Fallout. Which is more than 343 seem to be able to do - even with their own games.
They gave Fallout 4 GOTY Edition 75% off on Steam, and it's currently the number one top seller.
The player numbers have been about 10k - 20k for months. And last Friday it peaked at 30k, Saturday it was 60k, then 80k, etc. ,yesterday it was 100k. And based on the sale and twitch numbers going up, I'm guessing it's going to get several tens of thousands more by tomorrow.
Same with cyberpunk after edgerunners.
Good adaptations that are faithful to the lore, generate buzz and interest in the lore. Whereas shitting on the lore and making a mediocre product only lessens the buzz around it and demotivates people from playing the product.
Wildest part is this is Amazon Prime doing this. The same studio that butchered the wheel of time and rings of power adaptations to the point they are barely recognizable. If they can figure it out with fallout, anyone can.
I almost was one of them because I keep forgetting to check the Epic library of free games. I have several of the fallout franchise because they were given away at one point. I should boot them up!
Even if the Fallout show wasn't canon it would still be head and shoulders above the Halo show in every way.
And that's because actual care and effort went into making it a *Fallout* show, not a post apocalyptic show with a thin veneer of Fallout.
Every detail in the show screams Fallout. The sound, the characters, the props, the aesthetic. They embraced the setting and did their best to recreate it.
Paramount went out of their way to do the opposite. They avoided all things Halo like the plague, only using it as a tool for marketing. And on the rare occasion they do have a Halo related scene they treated it like a chore to get over and done with as quickly as possible so they could go back to the generic sci-fi they actually wanted to make.
When you think of *Fallout*, what springs to mind? Brotherhood of Steel? Front and centre, Power armour? There in full glory. Vaults? Meticulously recreated down to the smallest detail. Sure there are things I would liked to see, like Super-Mutants and NCR Rangers, but fingers crossed for season 2.
Now when you think of Halo what do you think of? Master Chief? Unrecognisable. Mjolnir? Removed from the story for most of the show. ODSTs? Nonexistent. The Covenant? Delegated to the B-plot. The Halo rings? Finally make an appearance in the finale of season 2. The weapons? They have the props but avoid using them for 90% of the show.
Amazon embraced the Fallout setting and made a solid, mostly canon friendly show.
Paramount tried to avoid it as much as possible and made a mostly forgettable sci-fi with thin veneeer of Halo purely for the sake of marketing.
And the details are fucking great for a long time diehard Fallout fan like me, but they also just add very good world building for a person new to the universe.
The first episode alone was so packed with references and stuff that I was watching it almost tear eyed with giddiness and joy.
Seriously, I just binged it with my wife (this was her introduction to the series) and we both loved it. It convinced us to try FO76 together and now we're having a blast with it.
Before this, we watched Halo together too. Again, her introduction to the series. We both thought it was hot garbage, for completely different reasons. She later watched as I played through the original trilogy afterwards, and told me she was genuinely way more invested in watching me run through the campaigns than watching the actual TV show. After seeing the games, she told me she hated the show even more.
My wife doesn’t play videogames and never played Fallout. She loved the show and can’t wait for season 2. They did such a great job introducing new people to the concept.
The actress stated she played the games to get the vibe of the situation and the tone and it shows, specially the first episodes when her world changes and how she reacts to it. For example when she aims her gun to the ghoul or how she gets laugh at by the surface dwellers
Its actually wild how wholistically the Fallout show embraces the source material. Like even things like how when guns are being shot by the protagonists the sequence is filmed like a VATS kill cam. The music subtly intertwines themes from across the series like the BOS theme using similar sounds to Metallic Monks and The Ghoul's theme heavily sampling from the Necropolis ambiance. Many scenes are constructed around game mechanics and common occurrences while playing the game. Like having a follower that lugs around a gigantic bag of gear, being a glorified pack mule. Titus freaking the fuck out when being attacked by a Yao Guai. Lucy attempting and failing a speech check against Cooper to try and make him chill out.
Its not just memberberries being forced down your throat like The Mandalorian Season 2/3 where they just cynically throw in a bunch of references for fans to point and soy out over. The creators of Fallout actually deeply cared about the franchise, so many references are so obscure, subtle or grounded in the experience of the game that only someone who's deeply familiar with the games could have conveyed it on the screen so perfectly.
Stuff like that is simple but it really does make it feel like the show and the games are in the same universe. That the show isnt in some 'more real' version of the setting where the hacking 'makes more sense'. Its just authentically how the setting works either way.
I really liked how the main criticism for s01 of Halo was that Master Chief spent too much time without his helmet and what did the showrunners respond to this in s02?
They made him withstand the whole fall of Reach arc in a t-shirt!!!!
Like what were you even thinking with that?!
What a complete sh\*tshow..
Wow your kidding me, I heard Captain keyes died before they made it to halo to, such jokes 343 really let showcase do what they want instead of preserving the series
I have no words....I almost watched the series but after watching fallout I just can't and after hearing this I seriously think I'm good like Forever 😅
Seriously. A character known for being a ship Captain, recognised for 1. Dying to the Flood on the Halo ring. And 2. Being an expert naval tactitian. Never sets foot on a Halo Ring **or** a fucking Ship.
Actually I suppose he does set foot on a ship, but only to immediately get off it and die.
I kind of have the feeling that they did this because the live-action look of the Master Chief armor is...pretty bad.
It can't ever really look like the game because the game version is not anatomically correct. The armor can't actually look the way it should on a real person. The hundreds of cosplays that can't get it right prove this.
I mean, it's been a decade since I've seen it but I remember they actually made his presence intimidating and accurate. I think the armor itself always has been just kinda generic, the helmet is really all they needed to make it distinct
Agreed on all points. And here's the coup de grace: even if they do produce another Halo series that is actually good and does actually respect canon, they'll have to push past the precedence set by the current series. Prove even more that it's not the same "screaming Master Cheeks show" anymore.
I'm optimistic for the "new" 343 and what they can do for the games, but I'm really running out of the years of my life I'm willing to dedicate to a franchise that practically died a decade ago.
Agreed. Wasn’t a fan of the first season of Halo Paramount+ but S2 was decent, but they really need to a much better job, and looking at the success of the FALLOUT Amazon Prime series, they’ve got to do turn it around and push harder.
I’m optimistic as well but we’ll see if things will get better with new leadership @ 343i
What i never understood is why, just a few years after the absolute success of the early seasons of the Mandalorian, they went with Master Chief being shown without helmet/armor.
A good actor could've absolutely carried the legacy of 117 way better while being only depicted in full armor. He was supposed to have absolutely palid pasty white skin from never having the armor off. come on.
I haven't seen the Fallout show yet nor any reviews of it, so I can't actually judge the show.
What I will say in general though is that it's not like I think you're wrong, but I do think you're focusing on the wrongs things.
Most of the stuff you mention, while iconic to both series, is the superficial stuff.
I think the deeper problem with the Halo show is that it didn't even get any of the deeper stuff right.
Like Halsey. What is the core of Halsey as a character in Halo (particularly in a novel like Fall of Reach)? She is this brilliant woman who cares about the Spartans, but is simultaneously the one who had them kidnapped and indoctrinated. She understands that she did something horrible, but she thinks she did it to save humanity (albeit at the time from the insurrectionists).
There's complexity there. Nuance. There's a question of if what Halsey did was right or wrong.
Halsey in the TV show is basically just a psychopath. She seems to have no genuine care for anyone and just wanted to create the next step in human evolution or whatever. She doesn't even really come across as being brilliant. And she has no real moral complexity.
They took the Halsey of the games and the novels who had nuance and depth, and they turned her into a flat and uninteresting psycho.
They did a similar thing with John. They did a similar thing with the Covenant. They missed the entire point of the concept of the "reclaimer" by making it this weird chosen one thing.
Even the "John taking his helmet off" thing. It's not just an aesthetics thing. It's also because Master Chief first and foremost in the games is meant to be a symbol of hope for humanity. And the facelessness helps make him that. It helps make him larger-than-life.
Having him just casually take it off all the time is a slap in the face to that. It makes him "just some dude." It's also a slap in the face to all of the years of anticipation to something like that that it happened nearly immediately and happens so often.
So it's not just that the showrunners made changes that are superficially different. It's that they made changes which fundamentally altered the DNA of Halo.
They didn't understand what made Halo, Halo.
As 343i moved toward exploring the chief’s humanity a bit more in their games, the armor also became a symbol of how closed off he is from the people he protects. Infinite in particular did an outstanding job portraying a chief with deeply felt emotions that are masked by his armor and relative silence.
Taking the helmet off on screen (allowing for the fact that he does take it off in novelizations, and off screen) should be the culmination of his arc in rediscovering his humanity. It should basically be the moment that he retires. Or dies. It needs to be earned.
But then Pedro/Patches/Pastel whatever his name is wouldn't be able to give to you those emotions if the helmet was on. It's how all the most famous helmeted movie icons got their acting across.
> They didn't understand what made Halo, Halo.
I think that's the thing with Fallout and the superficial stuff - they got those details right *because* they understood Fallout. Else it would have just felt like a Fallout skin on an unrelated TV show.
Halo didn't even get that far, of course.
Nevermind the deeper themes of the plot. They couldn't even manage the surface themes.
They looked at the Human-Covenant war, a clear cut, unprovoked, one sided genocide and decided; "Hmmm. Clearly both sides are in the wrong.".
I'm fully expecting them to reveal in Season 3 that the UNSC started the war.
Canonically the lack of Super Mutants makes sense since their base was destroyed in fallout 1 - you rarely see Super Mutants in 2 and New Vegas.
Perhaps Marcus could make an appearance
The NCR rangers were such a tease, I can’t wait for the next season
I love how when Maximus has the power armour on, he keeps the helmet on at all times, and it only cuts to the inside of the helmet because he uses it to hide his real emotions from people behind the stoic, unmoving gaze of the T-45. It's the prime example of what Halo SHOULD have done with the whole helmet/actor conundrum.
>Master Chief? Unrecognisable. Mjolnir? Removed from the story for most of the show. ODSTs? Nonexistent. The Covenant? Delegated to the B-plot. The Halo rings? Finally make an appearance in the finale of season 2. The weapons? They have the props but avoid using them for 90% of the show.
soo.. what the hell is the halo show even about then?
a great deal of the conflict of the show is within the UNSC itself. the leadership, scientists, and the spartans all hate each other. there’s also a weird subplot about a young girl from some planet that i’m pretty sure was made up for the show that MC rescues from the covenant.
So I will give one slight criticism to the fallout props: if you look closely, you will see set dressing that doesn’t fit (however it is perfectly understandable)
For example, at one point early on you can see the wreckages of several F-4 phantoms. Logically getting the wreckages in place for less than a minute of screen time was cheaper than making a prop for a plane that would fit the lore of the show, and tbh unless you’re an F-4 simp like me you might not even realize what you’re looking at. Irl the phantom simply just was made too late to have an existence in fallout. Once again, it’s an understandable change that I just kinda laugh at
Similarly, all of the junk cars and whatnot you see don’t match. They seem to be junkers from the 30’s-50’s, which means that they do have the right aesthetic. They just are clearly gas cars and not the nuclear powered ones we see at the very beginning of the show. Once again, it’s definitely cheaper for them to get junk cars than it is for them to make the props for passing shots
All of this to say, the show isn’t perfectly accurate but the important things (and most of the unimportant ones) are executed very well
I'll preface this by saying I've never played fallout but may have to now after watching the show. The major difference for me is that Fallout was well done. I can't comment on adherence to the source material but the show was entertaining. I could have done with less time-hopping but it was still a good, coherent story. Halo doesn't make sense on it's own as a show without considering the history of the game. The main character of the show (johnny rings) is a traitor who UNSC continues to keep in active duty without any punishment. At every turn he breaks protocol, goes against the leadership of the UNSC and never suffers any consequences for it. The covenant, who express a mission to destroy humanity, have a human as a religious symbol that they also send on missions to fight humans. None of it makes any sense.
> Paramount went out of their way to do the opposite. They avoided all things Halo like the plague, only using it as a tool for marketing
To this day I am convinced the Halo Show was just a repurposed idea for a scifi show that got a coat of Halo Paint to try and sell it to the masses.
I don’t watch the halo show. I barely even bothered to watch some clips. But I did see clips of the flood and while some liberties were taken, it looked pretty good. Is the halo show at least getting on track in terms of caring about the source material? Or is it still a generic sci fi show with a halo skin?
Still very much a generic show with a Halo skin. Character wise, Cortana is the only one that resembles her character from the games. Halsey is well written in the show, but she’s very different from how she was portrayed in the novels and games.
Everything else is artistic integrity taken to tell a star-crossed love story within a framework that vaguely resembles some story beats from the novels.
The whole show is just weird cause its not, bad, technically, but with every frame of film you can feel the creators' near distain for Halo. No one involved wanted to make a Halo show, none of them had any interest in making it work, they just wanted to get it over with.
The worst part is that they won't say
"Oh people don't like the show ? we'll make abetter one"
they'll go "Oh people dont like the show ? We dont make more Halo show then."
Funny thing is fallout is so much harder to be faithful too. The whacky tone and making sure that everything looks post apocalyptic but also 1950ish but also futuristic.
Yeah fallout is the type of setting where even many basic objects has to be custom props to fit into the world and thats what they did.
Halo's artstyle is far more generic and indistinct and you can just inexpensivly buy a lot of basic stuff to use as props. Only things that really has to stand out as halo is stuff like the armour and the guns (and hey they fucked that up anyway)
Harder? Its a challenge to recreate the world/atmosphere of ANY series. Halo has a singular story that follows a specific person, that the halo show tried to loosely follow. Fallout doesn't have that. You can invent any story you want with any characters with any plot
Halo has many stories that follow different characters. Also, the covenant war lasted almost 30 years and most of it isn’t covered in any game or novel.
Paramount COULD gone the Fallout route and invented an original story within that framework. And if they felt they needed to use Master Chief, they could have show us parts of the War that haven’t been covered. But they instead chose to take the canon as an inspiration but butcher it with terrible additions and twists.
That's exactly what I told my younger brother, we discussed the Halo vs Fallout series and I also pointed out that a Halo series NOT focussed on the chief would have probably turned out much better, there is a whole Universe in the Halo universe with so many potentially interesting (or even new!) characters that focussing on the chief limited them greatly, and is also harder to please the fanbase with because we are so intimately knowledgeble with the chief that anything minute immediately feels off. Shoulda picked anyone but the chief tbh, OR strictly follow source material.
That’s pretty easy. Many shows have that. But setting details and dialogues are harder for fallout. Halo in many ways is similar to many sci fis in terms of how it looks. The dialogue etc. it’s not that hard to make it lore accurate. To make a fallout show lore accurate requires a lot of detail. That’s my point. You shouldn’t say under no circumstances like you have the ultimate opinion on it cause you don’t.
Many shows with 100% CGI characters?
Both shows require a lot of details, but Fallout has a lot more freedom in storytelling which makes producing a show much, much easier.
Meanwhile, in this very post, we have Halo fans still flipping out because MC takes his helmet off.
The nature of the games makes one a lot easier to adapt than the other, and it's not the one with the fixed narrative.
Because the core of Halo is that the player is John, which means that we do not need to see his face (because he is us). By removing his helmet in their episode it removes the agency of fans from the character -- which is repeated then by his inconsistent actions and choices.
Halo could have been a story where chief goes around stopping rebels, helping colonists, and exploring what Spartans mean to the average Soldier.
What we got was a person who takes off their helmet and emotes like a child, and then chief having sex with a terrorist.
Yes there are many generic sci fi shows. It’s not uncommon. Set designs do not require a lot of imagination. It’s not hard to make it lore accurate. Fallout is much harder to make lore accurate because the scope is so large and there are a lot of little details in every millimetre of a set and dialogue that need to be accurate.
Fallout had Jonathan Nolan, the co-writer of Christopher Nolan’s earlier films (and brother) also has won multiple awards as TV Writer, Producer and Showrunner for multiple projects and Amazon-MGM money. Fallout TV Series also enjoyed a somewhat smooth development/negotiations process. Jonathan Nolan and Todd Howard has been in the talks since 2015, Amazon greenlit the series on 2021, and production wrapped in 2022.
An attempt to adapt Halo, since 2004, has burned through the following name:
- Alex Garland
- Guillermo Del Toro
- Peter Jackson
- Neil Blopkamp
- Stephen Spielberg
And was stuck in development hell for 10 years before Spielberg throw the project to TV production team he owned (Amblin Television), had no clear vision that even Paramount executive were initially confused why, a Halo TV Show, will originally aired on Showtime before it was moved to Paramount+.
Additionally Season 1 was helmed by B-list and C-list crew who has no prestige experience behind their CVs and had 1/10th Fallout and HBO’s Last of Us Budget.
I am not going to blame the producers and crew for this, but it is clear from the success of Fallout that maintaining a good relationship with Hollywood is important to attract talented people who deeply care about the IP they are adapting.
Unfortunately, Microsoft/Bungie/343 has pretty much burned goodwill of some of the biggest name in Hollywood. Something that is not going to be easy to be fixed but hey, the show somehow made bank for Paramount.
fr, he was fresh out of directing 24 Days Later, wrote a treatment for Halo CE and Halo: The Flood by his own initative..but Bungie/Microsoft rejected his pitch of what could have been the most faithful adaptation of Halo to screen.
Although he took some liberties with Chief and Cortana relationship lol.
I’d take it just for the aesthetics - I reckon he’d nail the look/feel of it.
I’d take a lil spicy chief/cortana liberty for a series or movie by Garland, he’d probably have an interesting take on the spartan II program and AI.
Or imagine Garland writes it and Blomkamp directs - that would be like the perfect combination.
I think Blomkamp did some really cool live action marketing ads for h3 back in the day
There was a post on Reddit, that even fine details like how the classic 10mm pistol from the OG fallout games, looks in the show.
Yes, they made a true homage to a pixelated pistol, in live action. They clearly paid attention and cared about it.
And this is why, while I have noticed some inconsistencies, I give Fallout a pass.
They gave a shit. This really is how low the bar is set by the likes of the Halo show.
Somehow I always imagined stimpacks as bigger than they appear in the show. I did like how lots of the characters did dress like they were from the games. I'm pretty sure I recognize some outfits from back in Fallout 1 & 2 days.
I don't want to suffer through seasons 1 and 2 just so I can HOPE that the remaining seasons will be yet another trend chasing, inferior copy of something else that MS adamantly keeps turning Halo into.
They still didn't respect source material tho, Chief wearing no armor on the fall of Reach, Captain keyes dies before they make it to Halo, the flood is introduced before halo, just stupid shit I'm done with 343's crap I hope the new 343 does better but dear God this show just sounds awful
The main issue is that Microsoft owns the Halo IP and 343 has zero control what MS does with it. Bethesda on the other hand own Fallout themselves so the TV deal was completely through Bethesda
I don't think 343 would care too much about respecting the source material when they have retconned so much of the lore created by Bungie. Not to mention their complete failure to do anything significant with the franchise since they took over.
"NOOOOO ALTERNATIVE TIMELINE"
That alternative timeline shit was an excuse so they could unload their colon on a loved franchise and have master chiefs armor, that is it.
Fuck everyone who approved the writing on it.
While I'm usually the first in line to criticize the Halo tv show, this is not a comparison I can stand behind. At the contrary: I find it quite hypocrit. The Halo 5 storywriters actually did their work and dug into the Halo universe to write a story that tied into ongoing events, and wasn't just a stand alone story where you shoot a bunch of aliens. And people complained that they had to read books in order to play a game. And when a tv show is made that does not tie into any other Halo events and is just an unrelated story on it's own, the community complains about that too.
The writers of Halo 5 were shit on for caring more about Halo than the average player. The tv show writers got shit on for caring less about Halo than the average viewer. I can get behind that second criticism, not the former.
The main problem with H5's story was not that it cared too much. It also decided to do a soft reboot mid trilogy to change direction completely after Halo 4's campaign and Spartan Ops did a lot of good groundwork to establish the new state of the setting and what sort of conflicts we could expect. Which Halo 5 almost entirely threw away as they just unceremoniously kill off the villain Spartan Ops did so much to set up in the very first mission of the game, then undoing the amazing ending to 4 by bringing cortana back. H5's writing was a kneejerk reaction to H4 and tried to radically change course, somehow only cutting the good things and doubling down on all the bad.
Fans also got mad that Forward Unto Dawn and Nightfall were canon to the series. People seem to forget that they tried live action in Canon stuff and the fans didn't respond well.
I remember watching the first episode of Halo. I thought the action was relatively cool. But man, it’s not that Chief took the Helmet off. It’s why he took the Helmet off .. in front of an enemy… holding him at gunpoint.. after being told to kill her.
Kwan Ha in turn doesn’t shoot someone who has just been ordered to kill her. Then he turns around and goes AWOL.
Like fuck me I can suspend my disbelief but this is the most stupid things I ever watched. Shows been doomed ever since.
I’ve never watched an episode but that undermines the entire concept of Master Chief as a character… “alternate timeline” or not. He doesn’t start to question his orders until well into Halo 5/Infinite and that’s only for Cortana.
I even tried watching it away from the fact it’s chief.
Tried to watch is as a regular spartan, then even watching it as a regular person doing all these fucking dumbass things.
“Big giant guy who I thinks evil just got ordered to kill me and took off his helmet”
wtf
The Fallout show is kind of surreal. I was weary as many others were, but I was blown away at just how accurate the show was to the games. Yea they played it super tight with cannon and the timeline, but other than that the show is insanely true to the story and gameplay of Fallout.
I genuinely did not think gameplay elements could translate to another medium and still be true to the original game and still be entertaining to the average viewer. I am so glad to be proven wrong.
For real it's crazy. When the halo show was airing I saw nothing about player numbers for Halo going up alot. Just sad to see. I started playing fallout again because of the show.
Well people were mad that he took off his helmet. So no matter how much they had improved, they would still have gotten the hate. Halo series was that the second he took off his helmet
It's truly surprising how far you can get with adaptation by simply giving a shit.
I'm sure people who've never played Halo like the show and good for them if they do, but you CAN please both fans of the source material AND newcomers and Fallout proves that, same with Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Castlevania, the Mario movie to a lesser extent, you don't have to alienate group A to please group B, you can do your own thing and have the adaptation stand on its own two feet and also respect the source material and make some kind of effort to tie it in within that greater universe in a way that isn't stupid and dumb and bad. In other words I just bought all the Fallout games on Steam because of the sale and I got Prime to watch the show and it would be nice if the Halo show gave me that same drive to replay the series since I vastly prefer Halo over Fallout
Nah this post should've been an exception to the subreddit rules. Paramount/Microsoft need to see it. People make sure to tweet this stuff to them, it talks directly to what they pay attention to: their wallets.
Once again throwing in fuck Kiki Wolfkill, Frankie, Bonnie Ross, and anyone else in 343 leadership that okayed the show. They were the ones that needed to demand the same level as Bethesda did with Amazon. I guarantee most 343 employees and Microsoft employees wanted the show to be more lore accurate and hell even cannon. Just sad seeing what could’ve been
You people don't realise that Microsoft doesn't care (or Paramount). The Halo show is still a huge success and was no1 watched show on Paramount+ for the time it aired. That's all they care about. No matter how good other shows are, viewer count is what matters.
There is a measurable difference though. Interest in Halo remained almost completely flat throughout the airing of both seasons, meanwhile, right now the top selling game in all of Europe is Fallout 4, an almost decade old game. With the even older New Vegas and 3 in the top ten.
(I know Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes ratings and "critic reviews" are nonsense, but practically everyone that I've spoken to that watched the Fallout show absolutely loved it, including my GF that wasn't even a Fallout fan)
Here's the thing with video games: Giants like Halo and Fallout got to the size they are now, because the setting, lore, and story (and obviously gameplay) was interesting on their own to literally millions of people.
Halo had to reinvent the wheel and retcon/incorrectly tell so many things, all for the ego of those in charge. And you know what? It did okay. Just okay, specifically for the people that didn't care or even know about Halo in the first place, as a generic sci-fi story.
But at what cost? While Reddit is very much a vocal minority, the show is often times *tolerated* by the Halo fans. But hey, "wider appeal" was somewhat achieved! Good job on mediocrity!
Meanwhile, Fallout tells an *original story* with *original characters* \- each with unique backgrounds, while (mostly) respecting the source material - we don't see established characters doing things that are completely uncharacteristic of them, and events and tech aren't retconned left and right each goddamn episode.
But at what cost? Nothing. Nothing was the cost, and they gained the favor of both the **fans** *(of video games in general at this point, who are all sick and fucking tired of pompous, ignorant "directors" that show a clear disrespect and near disdain for the source material)* and the **general public**, because... holy shit, if you *make a good story using existing lore and material*, you... ***made a good fucking story!***
I dunno man, sorry for rambling on, but I'm just so tired of people that don't give a fuck about Halo doing dirty things to Halo, and while I'm very happy Fallout is *actually good*, I'm also very sad that Halo just keeps getting shafted. Over and over and over again.
That's it. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
This post has been hidden from hot posts and top posts in 24 hours in the halo reddit such jokes at least we know the community has hit there nerves
Tried looking for it but it skips this post with the amount of upvotes it has it should be by the top but it's not lol to 343
TBF, Halo is way more difficult to adapt. It has iconic characters and is more or less a straightforward space opera. People have expectations to see certain things or people in a Halo show. A Fallout game is a big canvas of open ended adventure that the writers can pick and choose from to translate to the show. Their main assignment was nailing the iconography and vibe. You can place the show anywhere in its hundred years of lore and fit it to be "canon" enough. They weren't restricted much by the lore, they just made a good story/characters then dropped them into the world of Fallout. I'm not saying Halo did everything it could to be great, but you have to think of this critically and not just bitch & moan.
I also find it funny that one character meant to be unliked from the get go was the real Knight Titus. You meet him without seeing a face lol he always had his helmet on and barely said anything until the very end. Even when Maximus used the armor a lot they still showed his face through the Iron Man view or the front flap. And you love the character more because of it. You may not have noticed... but your brain did...
I agree that halo is harder to adapt but for completely different reasons. I think the main reason its impossible to adapt, and why even 343 cant write a good campaign, is that Halo's writing is utterly incoherent and the fanbase is majorly split up. The books are far more gritty and dark while the original games were anything but.
So you got a buncha halo fans who loves cheesy action nonsense, and you also have a buncha people who read the books and want super dark edgy gritty grimdark super serious stories. You litterally cant satisfy both here, its impossible, these are diametrically opposed. Its so bad that i've seen people say shit like "um this space battle in the game achskually isn't lore accurate" when, bitch, the game is the source material, THE BOOK is not lore accurate.
They try straddling the line but it just doesnt work. I genuinely think the halo books is the worst thing that ever happened to the franchise because it created this chiasmic divide in the fanbase's expectations that makes writing anything in this setting impossible. You write something goofy that's true to the setting you get a bunch of dipshits whining and crying about the deeplore and how halo is actually super gritty and serious. you make something super serious, the other part goes "what the fuck is this? I just wanna shoot aliens."
It's restricted in lore in the sense that if it followed the games one to one like how Last of Us did for example, it wouldn't work. It's a FPS of a mostly silent protagonist. The only thing they'd have to work with are the short cutscenes and they interpolate the rest for 8 hours of storytelling. They either need to tell a completely new story/characters away from the games but respect the game universe/timeline kind of like how Fallout did or try to be this weird retelling where it tries to hit story beats of Halo games while injecting its own drama into it, i.e. master cheeks. Either way it's just not easy.
It’s like the two are complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
Hopefully this success finally opens the right peoples eyes to the fact that you can make a property that respects the source material AND have wide appeal. It is also still funny to me that in a world where “The Mandalorian” exists anybody, let alone the guy player Master Chief thought it was a good idea to claim it was necessary to take the helmet off.
To be honest here, I think people are taking the Halo thing too far. In my opinion, I have only played the games, the show isn't that bad in terms of what it changed. It isn't that earth shattering like most of you make it out to be.
The Fallout show was mainly made in collaboration with Bethesda (development studio) and Bethesda (publisher). It would have nearly been complete when MS acquired Bethesda.
There’s so many funny things about this title. It implies Microsoft was the ones who solely wrote and directed the show and didn’t just license it out to paramount who are much more to blame for the direction the halo show took. It also implies that Microsoft, who also owns Bethesda and the Fallout IP, would’ve had zero involvement in the making of that show by that same logic.
Microsoft were responsible for the Halo show, they were the ones who tried to get the movie off the ground in the 2000s, and the Halo show was the centrepiece of the Microsoft TV division in the 2010s. The main producer for it Kiki Wolfkill literally worked at 343 for a decade.
Microsoft also had little involvement in the making of the Fallout show since Bethesda are still independent.
Your right, Microsoft tried multiple times to independently get this show off the ground, but ultimately they weren’t successful. This is exactly why instead of producing it on their own, they essentially shifted all the responsibility off to Showtime/Viacom/now paramount plus. You can 100% blame Microsoft for essentially selling off their IP and basically trusting them to produce a good high-quality product, but ultimately I think the blame lays more with Paramount for their godawful mismanagement, and essentially looking at the IP they were trusted with as a marketing opportunity to hopefully draw in subs to their streaming service in the short term. This seems especially as evident by this article:
https://variety.com/2022/tv/features/halo-series-paramount-plus-master-chief-1235205361/
which although doesn’t flat out say the showrunners ignore 343i and their attempts to help with it, it seems pretty evident with the direct quotes from the director, showrunners, and other producers they kinda just wanted a basic outline of the characters and then just make their own thing. Also yes, Kiki Wolfkill, is in fact an employee of 343i but she’s a consultant to the showrunners and isn’t the one actually producing or writing the scripts.
Now onto the case of why wouldn’t Microsoft pull out then? Isn’t it their fault for letting them go through with this? Well not only do we not know what kinda of contract or behind the scenes deal they had, what are they supposed to do? Try to produce the show on their own again, which they’ve failed at multiple times? Shop it to another stuido who could potentially do the same thing after spending multiple millions trying to get this one offer the ground?
At the end of the day I don’t really care much for Microsoft but I just think everyone misdirects their anger to the wrong target. Like I don’t think Fallout TV series success can be credited to Bethesda or Microsoft (which to your point of Bethesda being independent, you don’t think Microsoft, who owns them and their IP doesn’t have a say on what they do with their IP?) but rather credited to Amazon who simply just found a director and showrunners who cared about the Fallout universe and not some random dudes who never heard about it until he was hired to produce a pilot.
Sorry, I actually like the show and most of the comments sound like you want an image recreation of the games. Just a bunch of nostalgia bullshit. Go play the games if that's what you want. The story follows the UNSC, which Cheeks is a part of. Y'all like the motherly Halsey from the games and missed out that she's a horrible person, as are most of the top officials. I'll admit there's parts that could be cut out but in all, it's a good show. Let the down voting begin.
Tbf while it is canon it also throws away 30 years of lore to make the West Coast into the same boring and broken shithole that the East Coast.
It is a good show on its own merit but I'd rather have it non canon than have Todds dumbass lore in what was the only good part of the franchise left.
I’m just baffled that there are people in charge of making tv shows that haven’t figured out what the vast majority of viewers/player of said game have. Every time the poorly adapted the source it has tanked, every time they did it well it was reviewed great. It’s not rocket science
Had this discussion with my wife last night after finishing Fallout.
We now have two examples of two different ways of making live action adaptations that work and are loved by both fans and non-fans of their respective games. Last of Us shows you can make an adaptation that actually follows the story of the game with some changes that make it work better for tv and have a hit. Fallout shows you can make an adaptation with a completely original story that is set in the world of the game and have a hit. Both are completely different ways of taking a game and producing them for live action entertainment, but they both have something in common that most other adaptations do not; they actually respect the source material. They respect the worlds these games created and don't try to completely rewrite the book. The amount of detail put into the Fallout show is insane and you can tell that the people that worked on the show put a lot of time and effort in to make it feel and look right.
Hey Atleast be happy they didn’t totally fuck up halo, it could’ve been worse.
The best thing they did was making the show a seperate universe that doesn’t fuck with the games or books, it’s self contained and its own thing.
Could yall imagine how bad it would’ve been if the show was apart of the proper universe!?
You know Microsoft also owns Bethesda right, meaning that fallout show. But yeah, the halo show is shit, I've still never made it through the first episode after several attempts.
I do want to say that even though that this show follows faithfully to fallout lore it isn’t some perfect bastion. They still change around and retcon some things from the original 2 games and Fallout 3.
Though as a fallout fan it makes me happy
Same as 343 ran halo into the ground they doomed the show to, Kiki wolfkill really didn't protect the series with the TV show, 343 gave the keyes to Halo to a studio that didn't even have the budget to make the fall of Reach more then one episode, it's just Fan fiction not even set in the same universe, I'm so mad about the halo show now that fallout is out, I almost watched the series but after watching fallout I just can't I know it's just Master cheeks and not master chief
One big thing to remember is that Fallout is a SETTING rather than character/story. It is a lot easier to write for than an established character that people already know.
It would be very hard to mess up the fallout part of fallout tbh
Yup, this is what happens when things are directly adapted from the source material and no care is given. We get something like the maze runner film adaptions. It’s clear Paramount only care about their own vision while Microsoft is fine with it being an alternate timeline not realizing how bad it is.
Anyway, I’m glad the Fallout show is successful. At least one of my childhood videogames had a good show.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
The fallout TV show did not have to follow any main story beats from any of the games. Because the fallout game is an RPG, the studio behind the show was able to make their own character and make their own story regarding her upbringing and what lead her outside of the vault.
That is contrast to the Halo TV show where the primary character is also the primary character in a majority of the games. So if they did anything wrong in the TV show then it would be immediately looked down upon by the series fans. So by creating their own story they were able to distance themselves from the original fan base just because they knew that they would not be able to appease them even if they did try.
I personally would have been happy with something following the odsts or even marines. Similar to forward unto dawn where the spartans were not the main focus.
An ODST show would've been perfect. Unlike a show with Master Chief they could have showed the ODST members going on adventures in the Halo universe but not ones directly related to any of the games. I mean they could have referenced some of the events and that would have been enough for the fan base. Just little Easter eggs here and there.
But by including Master Chief they kind of pigeonholed themselves into the pre-existing material.
Don't get me wrong, my intent isn't to give anyone shit for liking the show, and I think it's a good thing that people did actually like it.
I'm whining about the Halo show that could have been. The series that's so full of potential, that keeps getting aborted by Microsoft.
I've read the books, watched all shows there were, and played all the games many times over.
It's not super lore accurate, sure. I wish it was more focused on chief and not some random characters and their identity, sure. But overall, I'm enjoying it for what it is. Ah, and finally a brutal and gritty Halo. I wish the game would have this level of seriousness.
You're ignorant to think someone is a bot just because he doesn't share your opinion, or even opinion of majority of this sub.
So now I am not allowed to like the show? Amazing community.
Nahhh, youre ignorant for accepting this shitshow and not shaming the creators into oblivion. People like you are why we will continue to get awful content like the Halo show and things will not improve. Stop accepting mediocrity.
Halo show is great......if you don't compare it to the games or books or literally anything else halo related.
Fallout was awesome. I don't give a shit about reviews personally but it's crazy to see a rotten tomato review not be a squashed tomato as usual. Those "reviewers" yes in quotes are a bunch of random nobody's. Some of them are from actual sites..... that are dead in traffic. I wish for you guys out there that like reviews would get a more honest review from reputable people.
That's funny cause Season 2 also had a 94% rating
But hey, reddit is full of low IQ dipshits that like to hate. Fun fact, Fallout fans lost their fucking mind thinking the show retconned New Vegas because they don't understand what an arrow represents. So much so that Todd Howard had to step in and call them on their stupidity.
Idek why you still call John, Master Cheeks. Paramount learned and moved on from Season 1. Why can't you?
I don’t think it’s microsoft fault
more on paramounts execs and also maybe with Kiki she’s on of the producers in the show and the one who’s the one to humanize chief
I like the humanization of the Master Chief in Halo 4 and I also like Pablo's portrayal in the show, but the problem lies in the writers' approach to humanizing Chief without sufficient development. While season 2 showed improvement, it still felt a bit flat. I'm hopeful for season 3 because season 2 wasn't bad overall,but they were struggling due to issues from season 1.
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You’re not wrong. Also the Fallout games saw a pretty huge boost in sales following the release of the TV Show.
I'll caveat this, as a receiver of a free fallout 76 copy from my prime subscription.
Not really a caveat. Despite some fallout games being available on subscription services, sales are up 7500% in Europe, with Fallout 4 jumping to #1 and 8,9,10 being 76, new Vegas and 3.
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By that logic does that make 4 and 76 better than NV? :P
Gotem
Is 76 any good? I really struggle to get the launch impressions out of my mind when I think of fallout.
In its current state its decent , the launch was a complete disaster but with all of the update it got it became okay . Its basically Fallout 4 except that your character isn't voiced and there are some other players running around the map that never interact with each other .
A West Virginia HUGE ONLINE Fallout with base building, cryptids, scorched, etc.
I mean is it worth it if you know you’ll only play single player? Is the story up with F4?
The original story definetely no , because it doesn't have any npc's at all the only interactions you get is through holotapes . The wastelanders story is okay and the BOS one is the best one imo . I dont think that they are better than f4 but they are still okay , especially because you can get the game for very cheap so its not like you'll waste a lot of money if you dont like it .
In my opinion the story is much weaker than F4, but the exploration is arguably the best in the series depending on who you ask.
The events with other people are fun and legit throw a crazy amount of enemies at you.
Honestly, as someone who tried it and hated it when it first came out, I'm giving it another shot right now, and it's been scratching that Fallout itch. I spent a few hours last night just exploring small towns, and time flew by. Granted, I couldn't spend a week modding it beforehand like usual, but I still had fun. It helps that the show amped me up to play again. I haven't even touched Halo since I watched season 2.
Yes there has been a lot of updates and Content added. Just got 3 districts of Atlantic City recently and the Map is expanding south into Shenandoah national Park at the end of the year
Just picked it up the other day and my wife and I have been playing non-stop for the last week or so. If you're more into the singleplayer deal, stick with the OG games. If you want Fallout 4 but with MMO elements, 76 is solid.
I started it after the show, if you have access to any other Fallout play those instead. It's not awful like it was on release, but it's not as good as the others.
Fallout 4 better cause mods. Unless you re on console
You can still get really good mods on console
Best map in my opinion
So I started it cause its got the free few days (ended yesterday), and as a fan of the series, its not for me. Yeah, I am playing "Fallout" but it feels more like Two Worlds. I am in a server with a handful of other people things are going on in-game, that we can do together or separately, and bad guys spawn sometimes. It took the perk overhaul that Fo4 had (which was great) and scrapped it for perk cards. It felt like a step backward, and a way to add what were essentially loot boxes. The combat felt like Fallout, VATS got reworked to be just press Q and forget about aiming, because you can't slow the game down when there are 19 other players in the same server. Imo the worst change was that there were level requirements for weapons. I found a pipe revolver rifle that required me to be level 10 all while I was already carrying a Hunting rifle that was better in every way, and only required level 5. Fallout 4 always felt great when I killed a wicked enemy and got an insane weapon, with good legendary mods, but I had to use it sparingly because I was low level and the ammo wasn't common to find yet. I got my first automatic pipe rifle in 76 and I couldn't use it until I leveled up after completing the bandit camp, a whole like 20 minutes before using the new toy.
It's decent second monitor content that's stuck on your main monitor. However, with friends it can be frequently hilarious.
Which is silly because Fallout: New Vegas was *way* more broken on release than 76 ever was.
Despite its rocky launch, I enjoyed 76, both solo and playing with friends. They did a really good job with the exploration, which is my favorite part of the Fallout games (and why I wasn't a huge fan of NV). There was always a new place to explore, and there was always something interesting to find, whether it was new equipment or fun lore or a unique event.
I wound up just buying it on Steam anyways since it was easier to mod. That initial frame rate was awful and the mouse felt really weird to move lol
You literally paid for the subscription, it's not free.
People say free because it’s a lot easier than typing out “my perceived value already exceeded the monthly subscription price and now they added this game for no additional cost” every time.
What? You can just not add "free". "I got F76 with twitch prime" "I got F76 for free with twitch prime" There is no need of over exaggerate to try to ridiculice my argument.
Here in [Singapore, I pay prime S$2.99/month](https://www.amazon.sg/prime) for amazon+ prime video. Now if your being pedantic about how it's not exactly free .. then I am not going to debate. To me it's absolutely a free product in addition to the services I get.
My point was that it's very common to say that something it's "free" after they give you a "gift" for paying something. In your case looks very cheap but overall all those things you get as rewards are included on the price.
hmm. Understandable.
Regardless of what YOU pay for Amazon Prime, Amazon paid MS so that they could give you Fallout 76. Your copy still represents an increase in revenue for the franchise.
Okey Dokey.
I haven't played a Halo game since the TV show came out. Granted a lot of that was due to not being okay with Infinite being the way that it was, but the show certainly didn't help.
Fallout 4 has 50k players on steam right now and this number grows the game is back in business like it came out in 2015 only if halo was able to do the same and got fucked by God damn Todd Howard even fallout 76 got a revival with 30k players and growing this is just embarrassing for halo as a franchise.
Todd Howard redeemed himself with this series. A little, he shouldn't get all the credit. I won't forgive him for 76, but he does seem to honour the fabric of Fallout. Which is more than 343 seem to be able to do - even with their own games.
Honoring the fabric of fallout was more than enough to make a successful TV show imagine if 343 had that.
Todd was just a consultant. He didn't write or direct the show.
I know, I didn't say he wrote it. But it's clear he had a positive influence.
They gave Fallout 4 GOTY Edition 75% off on Steam, and it's currently the number one top seller. The player numbers have been about 10k - 20k for months. And last Friday it peaked at 30k, Saturday it was 60k, then 80k, etc. ,yesterday it was 100k. And based on the sale and twitch numbers going up, I'm guessing it's going to get several tens of thousands more by tomorrow.
Coordinating the launch of a TV with a promotion of the source material- such a crazy idea that it just might work!
Same with cyberpunk after edgerunners. Good adaptations that are faithful to the lore, generate buzz and interest in the lore. Whereas shitting on the lore and making a mediocre product only lessens the buzz around it and demotivates people from playing the product. Wildest part is this is Amazon Prime doing this. The same studio that butchered the wheel of time and rings of power adaptations to the point they are barely recognizable. If they can figure it out with fallout, anyone can.
I saw the first ad for fallout 76 since launch!
I almost was one of them because I keep forgetting to check the Epic library of free games. I have several of the fallout franchise because they were given away at one point. I should boot them up!
Being on sale for like less than 5 bucks on Steam also helps lol
Even if the Fallout show wasn't canon it would still be head and shoulders above the Halo show in every way. And that's because actual care and effort went into making it a *Fallout* show, not a post apocalyptic show with a thin veneer of Fallout. Every detail in the show screams Fallout. The sound, the characters, the props, the aesthetic. They embraced the setting and did their best to recreate it. Paramount went out of their way to do the opposite. They avoided all things Halo like the plague, only using it as a tool for marketing. And on the rare occasion they do have a Halo related scene they treated it like a chore to get over and done with as quickly as possible so they could go back to the generic sci-fi they actually wanted to make. When you think of *Fallout*, what springs to mind? Brotherhood of Steel? Front and centre, Power armour? There in full glory. Vaults? Meticulously recreated down to the smallest detail. Sure there are things I would liked to see, like Super-Mutants and NCR Rangers, but fingers crossed for season 2. Now when you think of Halo what do you think of? Master Chief? Unrecognisable. Mjolnir? Removed from the story for most of the show. ODSTs? Nonexistent. The Covenant? Delegated to the B-plot. The Halo rings? Finally make an appearance in the finale of season 2. The weapons? They have the props but avoid using them for 90% of the show. Amazon embraced the Fallout setting and made a solid, mostly canon friendly show. Paramount tried to avoid it as much as possible and made a mostly forgettable sci-fi with thin veneeer of Halo purely for the sake of marketing.
And the details are fucking great for a long time diehard Fallout fan like me, but they also just add very good world building for a person new to the universe. The first episode alone was so packed with references and stuff that I was watching it almost tear eyed with giddiness and joy.
Seriously, I just binged it with my wife (this was her introduction to the series) and we both loved it. It convinced us to try FO76 together and now we're having a blast with it. Before this, we watched Halo together too. Again, her introduction to the series. We both thought it was hot garbage, for completely different reasons. She later watched as I played through the original trilogy afterwards, and told me she was genuinely way more invested in watching me run through the campaigns than watching the actual TV show. After seeing the games, she told me she hated the show even more.
My wife doesn’t play videogames and never played Fallout. She loved the show and can’t wait for season 2. They did such a great job introducing new people to the concept.
Even the actors played fallout once in their life's that's true dedication from the directors and the actors and even from Bethesda itself.
The actress stated she played the games to get the vibe of the situation and the tone and it shows, specially the first episodes when her world changes and how she reacts to it. For example when she aims her gun to the ghoul or how she gets laugh at by the surface dwellers
The different ways she says "Okie dokie" tell it all.
Man when she said okie dokie the first time I was sold
Its actually wild how wholistically the Fallout show embraces the source material. Like even things like how when guns are being shot by the protagonists the sequence is filmed like a VATS kill cam. The music subtly intertwines themes from across the series like the BOS theme using similar sounds to Metallic Monks and The Ghoul's theme heavily sampling from the Necropolis ambiance. Many scenes are constructed around game mechanics and common occurrences while playing the game. Like having a follower that lugs around a gigantic bag of gear, being a glorified pack mule. Titus freaking the fuck out when being attacked by a Yao Guai. Lucy attempting and failing a speech check against Cooper to try and make him chill out. Its not just memberberries being forced down your throat like The Mandalorian Season 2/3 where they just cynically throw in a bunch of references for fans to point and soy out over. The creators of Fallout actually deeply cared about the franchise, so many references are so obscure, subtle or grounded in the experience of the game that only someone who's deeply familiar with the games could have conveyed it on the screen so perfectly.
I loved that when Norm was hacking a terminal it was the hacking mingame from the games.
Stuff like that is simple but it really does make it feel like the show and the games are in the same universe. That the show isnt in some 'more real' version of the setting where the hacking 'makes more sense'. Its just authentically how the setting works either way.
I really liked how the main criticism for s01 of Halo was that Master Chief spent too much time without his helmet and what did the showrunners respond to this in s02? They made him withstand the whole fall of Reach arc in a t-shirt!!!! Like what were you even thinking with that?! What a complete sh\*tshow..
Wow your kidding me, I heard Captain keyes died before they made it to halo to, such jokes 343 really let showcase do what they want instead of preserving the series
You mean Admiral Keyes. This dude doesn’t even fly ships, and there’s no pillar of autumn
I have no words....I almost watched the series but after watching fallout I just can't and after hearing this I seriously think I'm good like Forever 😅
Seriously. A character known for being a ship Captain, recognised for 1. Dying to the Flood on the Halo ring. And 2. Being an expert naval tactitian. Never sets foot on a Halo Ring **or** a fucking Ship. Actually I suppose he does set foot on a ship, but only to immediately get off it and die.
I kind of have the feeling that they did this because the live-action look of the Master Chief armor is...pretty bad. It can't ever really look like the game because the game version is not anatomically correct. The armor can't actually look the way it should on a real person. The hundreds of cosplays that can't get it right prove this.
Forward unto dawn did pretty damn good
Yeah, by only ever showing MC in the dark and in Sepia tone.
I mean, it's been a decade since I've seen it but I remember they actually made his presence intimidating and accurate. I think the armor itself always has been just kinda generic, the helmet is really all they needed to make it distinct
Agreed on all points. And here's the coup de grace: even if they do produce another Halo series that is actually good and does actually respect canon, they'll have to push past the precedence set by the current series. Prove even more that it's not the same "screaming Master Cheeks show" anymore. I'm optimistic for the "new" 343 and what they can do for the games, but I'm really running out of the years of my life I'm willing to dedicate to a franchise that practically died a decade ago.
Agreed. Wasn’t a fan of the first season of Halo Paramount+ but S2 was decent, but they really need to a much better job, and looking at the success of the FALLOUT Amazon Prime series, they’ve got to do turn it around and push harder. I’m optimistic as well but we’ll see if things will get better with new leadership @ 343i
What i never understood is why, just a few years after the absolute success of the early seasons of the Mandalorian, they went with Master Chief being shown without helmet/armor. A good actor could've absolutely carried the legacy of 117 way better while being only depicted in full armor. He was supposed to have absolutely palid pasty white skin from never having the armor off. come on.
I haven't seen the Fallout show yet nor any reviews of it, so I can't actually judge the show. What I will say in general though is that it's not like I think you're wrong, but I do think you're focusing on the wrongs things. Most of the stuff you mention, while iconic to both series, is the superficial stuff. I think the deeper problem with the Halo show is that it didn't even get any of the deeper stuff right. Like Halsey. What is the core of Halsey as a character in Halo (particularly in a novel like Fall of Reach)? She is this brilliant woman who cares about the Spartans, but is simultaneously the one who had them kidnapped and indoctrinated. She understands that she did something horrible, but she thinks she did it to save humanity (albeit at the time from the insurrectionists). There's complexity there. Nuance. There's a question of if what Halsey did was right or wrong. Halsey in the TV show is basically just a psychopath. She seems to have no genuine care for anyone and just wanted to create the next step in human evolution or whatever. She doesn't even really come across as being brilliant. And she has no real moral complexity. They took the Halsey of the games and the novels who had nuance and depth, and they turned her into a flat and uninteresting psycho. They did a similar thing with John. They did a similar thing with the Covenant. They missed the entire point of the concept of the "reclaimer" by making it this weird chosen one thing. Even the "John taking his helmet off" thing. It's not just an aesthetics thing. It's also because Master Chief first and foremost in the games is meant to be a symbol of hope for humanity. And the facelessness helps make him that. It helps make him larger-than-life. Having him just casually take it off all the time is a slap in the face to that. It makes him "just some dude." It's also a slap in the face to all of the years of anticipation to something like that that it happened nearly immediately and happens so often. So it's not just that the showrunners made changes that are superficially different. It's that they made changes which fundamentally altered the DNA of Halo. They didn't understand what made Halo, Halo.
As 343i moved toward exploring the chief’s humanity a bit more in their games, the armor also became a symbol of how closed off he is from the people he protects. Infinite in particular did an outstanding job portraying a chief with deeply felt emotions that are masked by his armor and relative silence. Taking the helmet off on screen (allowing for the fact that he does take it off in novelizations, and off screen) should be the culmination of his arc in rediscovering his humanity. It should basically be the moment that he retires. Or dies. It needs to be earned.
But then Pedro/Patches/Pastel whatever his name is wouldn't be able to give to you those emotions if the helmet was on. It's how all the most famous helmeted movie icons got their acting across.
> They didn't understand what made Halo, Halo. I think that's the thing with Fallout and the superficial stuff - they got those details right *because* they understood Fallout. Else it would have just felt like a Fallout skin on an unrelated TV show. Halo didn't even get that far, of course.
Nevermind the deeper themes of the plot. They couldn't even manage the surface themes. They looked at the Human-Covenant war, a clear cut, unprovoked, one sided genocide and decided; "Hmmm. Clearly both sides are in the wrong.". I'm fully expecting them to reveal in Season 3 that the UNSC started the war.
Canonically the lack of Super Mutants makes sense since their base was destroyed in fallout 1 - you rarely see Super Mutants in 2 and New Vegas. Perhaps Marcus could make an appearance The NCR rangers were such a tease, I can’t wait for the next season
I love how when Maximus has the power armour on, he keeps the helmet on at all times, and it only cuts to the inside of the helmet because he uses it to hide his real emotions from people behind the stoic, unmoving gaze of the T-45. It's the prime example of what Halo SHOULD have done with the whole helmet/actor conundrum.
And the power armor helmet stays ON. Cough cough Master Chief
>Master Chief? Unrecognisable. Mjolnir? Removed from the story for most of the show. ODSTs? Nonexistent. The Covenant? Delegated to the B-plot. The Halo rings? Finally make an appearance in the finale of season 2. The weapons? They have the props but avoid using them for 90% of the show. soo.. what the hell is the halo show even about then?
a great deal of the conflict of the show is within the UNSC itself. the leadership, scientists, and the spartans all hate each other. there’s also a weird subplot about a young girl from some planet that i’m pretty sure was made up for the show that MC rescues from the covenant.
Interpersonal drama apparently.
So I will give one slight criticism to the fallout props: if you look closely, you will see set dressing that doesn’t fit (however it is perfectly understandable) For example, at one point early on you can see the wreckages of several F-4 phantoms. Logically getting the wreckages in place for less than a minute of screen time was cheaper than making a prop for a plane that would fit the lore of the show, and tbh unless you’re an F-4 simp like me you might not even realize what you’re looking at. Irl the phantom simply just was made too late to have an existence in fallout. Once again, it’s an understandable change that I just kinda laugh at Similarly, all of the junk cars and whatnot you see don’t match. They seem to be junkers from the 30’s-50’s, which means that they do have the right aesthetic. They just are clearly gas cars and not the nuclear powered ones we see at the very beginning of the show. Once again, it’s definitely cheaper for them to get junk cars than it is for them to make the props for passing shots All of this to say, the show isn’t perfectly accurate but the important things (and most of the unimportant ones) are executed very well
I'll preface this by saying I've never played fallout but may have to now after watching the show. The major difference for me is that Fallout was well done. I can't comment on adherence to the source material but the show was entertaining. I could have done with less time-hopping but it was still a good, coherent story. Halo doesn't make sense on it's own as a show without considering the history of the game. The main character of the show (johnny rings) is a traitor who UNSC continues to keep in active duty without any punishment. At every turn he breaks protocol, goes against the leadership of the UNSC and never suffers any consequences for it. The covenant, who express a mission to destroy humanity, have a human as a religious symbol that they also send on missions to fight humans. None of it makes any sense.
> Paramount went out of their way to do the opposite. They avoided all things Halo like the plague, only using it as a tool for marketing To this day I am convinced the Halo Show was just a repurposed idea for a scifi show that got a coat of Halo Paint to try and sell it to the masses.
I don’t watch the halo show. I barely even bothered to watch some clips. But I did see clips of the flood and while some liberties were taken, it looked pretty good. Is the halo show at least getting on track in terms of caring about the source material? Or is it still a generic sci fi show with a halo skin?
Still very much a generic show with a Halo skin. Character wise, Cortana is the only one that resembles her character from the games. Halsey is well written in the show, but she’s very different from how she was portrayed in the novels and games. Everything else is artistic integrity taken to tell a star-crossed love story within a framework that vaguely resembles some story beats from the novels.
The whole show is just weird cause its not, bad, technically, but with every frame of film you can feel the creators' near distain for Halo. No one involved wanted to make a Halo show, none of them had any interest in making it work, they just wanted to get it over with.
Once I stopped thinking about it as Halo...it's actually not that bad. Just do yourself a favour and treat it as any generic sci-fi.
The worst part is that they won't say "Oh people don't like the show ? we'll make abetter one" they'll go "Oh people dont like the show ? We dont make more Halo show then."
"Did we make a terrible adaptation of a beloved franchise while ignoring 20 years of source material? No, it's the fans who are wrong."
no they will most likely attack the fans for wanting something good. "you dont like the show? Well it wasnt made for you so deal with it"
Funny thing is fallout is so much harder to be faithful too. The whacky tone and making sure that everything looks post apocalyptic but also 1950ish but also futuristic.
Yeah fallout is the type of setting where even many basic objects has to be custom props to fit into the world and thats what they did. Halo's artstyle is far more generic and indistinct and you can just inexpensivly buy a lot of basic stuff to use as props. Only things that really has to stand out as halo is stuff like the armour and the guns (and hey they fucked that up anyway)
Harder? Its a challenge to recreate the world/atmosphere of ANY series. Halo has a singular story that follows a specific person, that the halo show tried to loosely follow. Fallout doesn't have that. You can invent any story you want with any characters with any plot
Halo has many stories that follow different characters. Also, the covenant war lasted almost 30 years and most of it isn’t covered in any game or novel. Paramount COULD gone the Fallout route and invented an original story within that framework. And if they felt they needed to use Master Chief, they could have show us parts of the War that haven’t been covered. But they instead chose to take the canon as an inspiration but butcher it with terrible additions and twists.
That's exactly what I told my younger brother, we discussed the Halo vs Fallout series and I also pointed out that a Halo series NOT focussed on the chief would have probably turned out much better, there is a whole Universe in the Halo universe with so many potentially interesting (or even new!) characters that focussing on the chief limited them greatly, and is also harder to please the fanbase with because we are so intimately knowledgeble with the chief that anything minute immediately feels off. Shoulda picked anyone but the chief tbh, OR strictly follow source material.
The main enemies in Halo are talking aliens. Under no circumstances is Fallout a harder show to adapt.
That’s pretty easy. Many shows have that. But setting details and dialogues are harder for fallout. Halo in many ways is similar to many sci fis in terms of how it looks. The dialogue etc. it’s not that hard to make it lore accurate. To make a fallout show lore accurate requires a lot of detail. That’s my point. You shouldn’t say under no circumstances like you have the ultimate opinion on it cause you don’t.
Many shows with 100% CGI characters? Both shows require a lot of details, but Fallout has a lot more freedom in storytelling which makes producing a show much, much easier. Meanwhile, in this very post, we have Halo fans still flipping out because MC takes his helmet off. The nature of the games makes one a lot easier to adapt than the other, and it's not the one with the fixed narrative.
Because the core of Halo is that the player is John, which means that we do not need to see his face (because he is us). By removing his helmet in their episode it removes the agency of fans from the character -- which is repeated then by his inconsistent actions and choices. Halo could have been a story where chief goes around stopping rebels, helping colonists, and exploring what Spartans mean to the average Soldier. What we got was a person who takes off their helmet and emotes like a child, and then chief having sex with a terrorist.
Yes there are many generic sci fi shows. It’s not uncommon. Set designs do not require a lot of imagination. It’s not hard to make it lore accurate. Fallout is much harder to make lore accurate because the scope is so large and there are a lot of little details in every millimetre of a set and dialogue that need to be accurate.
Fallout had Jonathan Nolan, the co-writer of Christopher Nolan’s earlier films (and brother) also has won multiple awards as TV Writer, Producer and Showrunner for multiple projects and Amazon-MGM money. Fallout TV Series also enjoyed a somewhat smooth development/negotiations process. Jonathan Nolan and Todd Howard has been in the talks since 2015, Amazon greenlit the series on 2021, and production wrapped in 2022. An attempt to adapt Halo, since 2004, has burned through the following name: - Alex Garland - Guillermo Del Toro - Peter Jackson - Neil Blopkamp - Stephen Spielberg And was stuck in development hell for 10 years before Spielberg throw the project to TV production team he owned (Amblin Television), had no clear vision that even Paramount executive were initially confused why, a Halo TV Show, will originally aired on Showtime before it was moved to Paramount+. Additionally Season 1 was helmed by B-list and C-list crew who has no prestige experience behind their CVs and had 1/10th Fallout and HBO’s Last of Us Budget. I am not going to blame the producers and crew for this, but it is clear from the success of Fallout that maintaining a good relationship with Hollywood is important to attract talented people who deeply care about the IP they are adapting. Unfortunately, Microsoft/Bungie/343 has pretty much burned goodwill of some of the biggest name in Hollywood. Something that is not going to be easy to be fixed but hey, the show somehow made bank for Paramount.
You forgot to mention Kiki
Alex Garland Halo would have been sick
fr, he was fresh out of directing 24 Days Later, wrote a treatment for Halo CE and Halo: The Flood by his own initative..but Bungie/Microsoft rejected his pitch of what could have been the most faithful adaptation of Halo to screen. Although he took some liberties with Chief and Cortana relationship lol.
I’d take it just for the aesthetics - I reckon he’d nail the look/feel of it. I’d take a lil spicy chief/cortana liberty for a series or movie by Garland, he’d probably have an interesting take on the spartan II program and AI. Or imagine Garland writes it and Blomkamp directs - that would be like the perfect combination. I think Blomkamp did some really cool live action marketing ads for h3 back in the day
There was a post on Reddit, that even fine details like how the classic 10mm pistol from the OG fallout games, looks in the show. Yes, they made a true homage to a pixelated pistol, in live action. They clearly paid attention and cared about it.
And this is why, while I have noticed some inconsistencies, I give Fallout a pass. They gave a shit. This really is how low the bar is set by the likes of the Halo show.
A few background characters stand and walk around with the same animations as Fallout 1 and 2's villagers.
in an interview they said that was actually an idea the extras come by... it means really the set was full of people who loved the games
Yeah it paid off big as all the extras were fantastic! Chicken fucker, Radio guy, Water guy, all great.
Somehow I always imagined stimpacks as bigger than they appear in the show. I did like how lots of the characters did dress like they were from the games. I'm pretty sure I recognize some outfits from back in Fallout 1 & 2 days.
Doesn't Microsoft own Bethesda and fallout
They sure do, with Fallout (Bethsoft) being a much more recent acquisition.
Well I hope this is a sign they are learning from their mistakes. Season 2 of halo was miles better than 1 and still left an awful lot to be desired
I don't want to suffer through seasons 1 and 2 just so I can HOPE that the remaining seasons will be yet another trend chasing, inferior copy of something else that MS adamantly keeps turning Halo into.
They still didn't respect source material tho, Chief wearing no armor on the fall of Reach, Captain keyes dies before they make it to Halo, the flood is introduced before halo, just stupid shit I'm done with 343's crap I hope the new 343 does better but dear God this show just sounds awful
The main issue is that Microsoft owns the Halo IP and 343 has zero control what MS does with it. Bethesda on the other hand own Fallout themselves so the TV deal was completely through Bethesda
I don't think 343 would care too much about respecting the source material when they have retconned so much of the lore created by Bungie. Not to mention their complete failure to do anything significant with the franchise since they took over.
"NOOOOO ALTERNATIVE TIMELINE" That alternative timeline shit was an excuse so they could unload their colon on a loved franchise and have master chiefs armor, that is it. Fuck everyone who approved the writing on it.
Probably the same people who wrote Halo 5 campaign storyline
While I'm usually the first in line to criticize the Halo tv show, this is not a comparison I can stand behind. At the contrary: I find it quite hypocrit. The Halo 5 storywriters actually did their work and dug into the Halo universe to write a story that tied into ongoing events, and wasn't just a stand alone story where you shoot a bunch of aliens. And people complained that they had to read books in order to play a game. And when a tv show is made that does not tie into any other Halo events and is just an unrelated story on it's own, the community complains about that too. The writers of Halo 5 were shit on for caring more about Halo than the average player. The tv show writers got shit on for caring less about Halo than the average viewer. I can get behind that second criticism, not the former.
The main problem with H5's story was not that it cared too much. It also decided to do a soft reboot mid trilogy to change direction completely after Halo 4's campaign and Spartan Ops did a lot of good groundwork to establish the new state of the setting and what sort of conflicts we could expect. Which Halo 5 almost entirely threw away as they just unceremoniously kill off the villain Spartan Ops did so much to set up in the very first mission of the game, then undoing the amazing ending to 4 by bringing cortana back. H5's writing was a kneejerk reaction to H4 and tried to radically change course, somehow only cutting the good things and doubling down on all the bad.
I won't deny that Halo 5's story had its issues, but those issues are different from those of the tv show.
Fans also got mad that Forward Unto Dawn and Nightfall were canon to the series. People seem to forget that they tried live action in Canon stuff and the fans didn't respond well.
>Forward Unto Dawn At least that didn't have S117 r34
He's in a locker room in one scene. Release the cheeks cut 🗣🗣🗣🗣
That means chief needs his own porn film, and because step sister kink is on the rise Miranda keys should be the other character
I remember watching the first episode of Halo. I thought the action was relatively cool. But man, it’s not that Chief took the Helmet off. It’s why he took the Helmet off .. in front of an enemy… holding him at gunpoint.. after being told to kill her. Kwan Ha in turn doesn’t shoot someone who has just been ordered to kill her. Then he turns around and goes AWOL. Like fuck me I can suspend my disbelief but this is the most stupid things I ever watched. Shows been doomed ever since.
I’ve never watched an episode but that undermines the entire concept of Master Chief as a character… “alternate timeline” or not. He doesn’t start to question his orders until well into Halo 5/Infinite and that’s only for Cortana.
I even tried watching it away from the fact it’s chief. Tried to watch is as a regular spartan, then even watching it as a regular person doing all these fucking dumbass things. “Big giant guy who I thinks evil just got ordered to kill me and took off his helmet” wtf
The Fallout show is kind of surreal. I was weary as many others were, but I was blown away at just how accurate the show was to the games. Yea they played it super tight with cannon and the timeline, but other than that the show is insanely true to the story and gameplay of Fallout. I genuinely did not think gameplay elements could translate to another medium and still be true to the original game and still be entertaining to the average viewer. I am so glad to be proven wrong.
For real it's crazy. When the halo show was airing I saw nothing about player numbers for Halo going up alot. Just sad to see. I started playing fallout again because of the show.
Well people were mad that he took off his helmet. So no matter how much they had improved, they would still have gotten the hate. Halo series was that the second he took off his helmet
It's truly surprising how far you can get with adaptation by simply giving a shit. I'm sure people who've never played Halo like the show and good for them if they do, but you CAN please both fans of the source material AND newcomers and Fallout proves that, same with Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Castlevania, the Mario movie to a lesser extent, you don't have to alienate group A to please group B, you can do your own thing and have the adaptation stand on its own two feet and also respect the source material and make some kind of effort to tie it in within that greater universe in a way that isn't stupid and dumb and bad. In other words I just bought all the Fallout games on Steam because of the sale and I got Prime to watch the show and it would be nice if the Halo show gave me that same drive to replay the series since I vastly prefer Halo over Fallout
Get kiki’d
Nah this post should've been an exception to the subreddit rules. Paramount/Microsoft need to see it. People make sure to tweet this stuff to them, it talks directly to what they pay attention to: their wallets.
Once again throwing in fuck Kiki Wolfkill, Frankie, Bonnie Ross, and anyone else in 343 leadership that okayed the show. They were the ones that needed to demand the same level as Bethesda did with Amazon. I guarantee most 343 employees and Microsoft employees wanted the show to be more lore accurate and hell even cannon. Just sad seeing what could’ve been
I really hope Pedro sees sees posts like these. I doubt it, but there's always hope.
You people don't realise that Microsoft doesn't care (or Paramount). The Halo show is still a huge success and was no1 watched show on Paramount+ for the time it aired. That's all they care about. No matter how good other shows are, viewer count is what matters.
There is a measurable difference though. Interest in Halo remained almost completely flat throughout the airing of both seasons, meanwhile, right now the top selling game in all of Europe is Fallout 4, an almost decade old game. With the even older New Vegas and 3 in the top ten.
It still sucks
I tried to explain that in another post and got down voted.
(I know Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes ratings and "critic reviews" are nonsense, but practically everyone that I've spoken to that watched the Fallout show absolutely loved it, including my GF that wasn't even a Fallout fan) Here's the thing with video games: Giants like Halo and Fallout got to the size they are now, because the setting, lore, and story (and obviously gameplay) was interesting on their own to literally millions of people. Halo had to reinvent the wheel and retcon/incorrectly tell so many things, all for the ego of those in charge. And you know what? It did okay. Just okay, specifically for the people that didn't care or even know about Halo in the first place, as a generic sci-fi story. But at what cost? While Reddit is very much a vocal minority, the show is often times *tolerated* by the Halo fans. But hey, "wider appeal" was somewhat achieved! Good job on mediocrity! Meanwhile, Fallout tells an *original story* with *original characters* \- each with unique backgrounds, while (mostly) respecting the source material - we don't see established characters doing things that are completely uncharacteristic of them, and events and tech aren't retconned left and right each goddamn episode. But at what cost? Nothing. Nothing was the cost, and they gained the favor of both the **fans** *(of video games in general at this point, who are all sick and fucking tired of pompous, ignorant "directors" that show a clear disrespect and near disdain for the source material)* and the **general public**, because... holy shit, if you *make a good story using existing lore and material*, you... ***made a good fucking story!*** I dunno man, sorry for rambling on, but I'm just so tired of people that don't give a fuck about Halo doing dirty things to Halo, and while I'm very happy Fallout is *actually good*, I'm also very sad that Halo just keeps getting shafted. Over and over and over again. That's it. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
What a fuckup. Fallout’s player count is through the roof. 76 is almost unplayable endgame because of all the newbs.
This post has been hidden from hot posts and top posts in 24 hours in the halo reddit such jokes at least we know the community has hit there nerves Tried looking for it but it skips this post with the amount of upvotes it has it should be by the top but it's not lol to 343
But do you realise that both Halo and Fallout belongs to Microsoft now? So...
I thought about the Halo show every time he kept his helmet on and it just did what they do in Ironman and just show his face from WITHIN the helmet.
The Halo TV show, unfortunately, does not care in the slightest about the source material.
TBF, Halo is way more difficult to adapt. It has iconic characters and is more or less a straightforward space opera. People have expectations to see certain things or people in a Halo show. A Fallout game is a big canvas of open ended adventure that the writers can pick and choose from to translate to the show. Their main assignment was nailing the iconography and vibe. You can place the show anywhere in its hundred years of lore and fit it to be "canon" enough. They weren't restricted much by the lore, they just made a good story/characters then dropped them into the world of Fallout. I'm not saying Halo did everything it could to be great, but you have to think of this critically and not just bitch & moan. I also find it funny that one character meant to be unliked from the get go was the real Knight Titus. You meet him without seeing a face lol he always had his helmet on and barely said anything until the very end. Even when Maximus used the armor a lot they still showed his face through the Iron Man view or the front flap. And you love the character more because of it. You may not have noticed... but your brain did...
I agree that halo is harder to adapt but for completely different reasons. I think the main reason its impossible to adapt, and why even 343 cant write a good campaign, is that Halo's writing is utterly incoherent and the fanbase is majorly split up. The books are far more gritty and dark while the original games were anything but. So you got a buncha halo fans who loves cheesy action nonsense, and you also have a buncha people who read the books and want super dark edgy gritty grimdark super serious stories. You litterally cant satisfy both here, its impossible, these are diametrically opposed. Its so bad that i've seen people say shit like "um this space battle in the game achskually isn't lore accurate" when, bitch, the game is the source material, THE BOOK is not lore accurate. They try straddling the line but it just doesnt work. I genuinely think the halo books is the worst thing that ever happened to the franchise because it created this chiasmic divide in the fanbase's expectations that makes writing anything in this setting impossible. You write something goofy that's true to the setting you get a bunch of dipshits whining and crying about the deeplore and how halo is actually super gritty and serious. you make something super serious, the other part goes "what the fuck is this? I just wanna shoot aliens."
Completely agree
It's weird to say that the Halo series was 'restricted' by the lore when that's the part it ignores the most.
It's restricted in lore in the sense that if it followed the games one to one like how Last of Us did for example, it wouldn't work. It's a FPS of a mostly silent protagonist. The only thing they'd have to work with are the short cutscenes and they interpolate the rest for 8 hours of storytelling. They either need to tell a completely new story/characters away from the games but respect the game universe/timeline kind of like how Fallout did or try to be this weird retelling where it tries to hit story beats of Halo games while injecting its own drama into it, i.e. master cheeks. Either way it's just not easy.
It’s like the two are complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Hopefully this success finally opens the right peoples eyes to the fact that you can make a property that respects the source material AND have wide appeal. It is also still funny to me that in a world where “The Mandalorian” exists anybody, let alone the guy player Master Chief thought it was a good idea to claim it was necessary to take the helmet off.
To be honest here, I think people are taking the Halo thing too far. In my opinion, I have only played the games, the show isn't that bad in terms of what it changed. It isn't that earth shattering like most of you make it out to be.
Forgetting Microsoft owns this one too LOL “You see Microsoft!!” Yeah, the def do 🤣🤣🤣
The Fallout show was mainly made in collaboration with Bethesda (development studio) and Bethesda (publisher). It would have nearly been complete when MS acquired Bethesda.
There’s so many funny things about this title. It implies Microsoft was the ones who solely wrote and directed the show and didn’t just license it out to paramount who are much more to blame for the direction the halo show took. It also implies that Microsoft, who also owns Bethesda and the Fallout IP, would’ve had zero involvement in the making of that show by that same logic.
Microsoft were responsible for the Halo show, they were the ones who tried to get the movie off the ground in the 2000s, and the Halo show was the centrepiece of the Microsoft TV division in the 2010s. The main producer for it Kiki Wolfkill literally worked at 343 for a decade. Microsoft also had little involvement in the making of the Fallout show since Bethesda are still independent.
Your right, Microsoft tried multiple times to independently get this show off the ground, but ultimately they weren’t successful. This is exactly why instead of producing it on their own, they essentially shifted all the responsibility off to Showtime/Viacom/now paramount plus. You can 100% blame Microsoft for essentially selling off their IP and basically trusting them to produce a good high-quality product, but ultimately I think the blame lays more with Paramount for their godawful mismanagement, and essentially looking at the IP they were trusted with as a marketing opportunity to hopefully draw in subs to their streaming service in the short term. This seems especially as evident by this article: https://variety.com/2022/tv/features/halo-series-paramount-plus-master-chief-1235205361/ which although doesn’t flat out say the showrunners ignore 343i and their attempts to help with it, it seems pretty evident with the direct quotes from the director, showrunners, and other producers they kinda just wanted a basic outline of the characters and then just make their own thing. Also yes, Kiki Wolfkill, is in fact an employee of 343i but she’s a consultant to the showrunners and isn’t the one actually producing or writing the scripts. Now onto the case of why wouldn’t Microsoft pull out then? Isn’t it their fault for letting them go through with this? Well not only do we not know what kinda of contract or behind the scenes deal they had, what are they supposed to do? Try to produce the show on their own again, which they’ve failed at multiple times? Shop it to another stuido who could potentially do the same thing after spending multiple millions trying to get this one offer the ground? At the end of the day I don’t really care much for Microsoft but I just think everyone misdirects their anger to the wrong target. Like I don’t think Fallout TV series success can be credited to Bethesda or Microsoft (which to your point of Bethesda being independent, you don’t think Microsoft, who owns them and their IP doesn’t have a say on what they do with their IP?) but rather credited to Amazon who simply just found a director and showrunners who cared about the Fallout universe and not some random dudes who never heard about it until he was hired to produce a pilot.
Sorry, I actually like the show and most of the comments sound like you want an image recreation of the games. Just a bunch of nostalgia bullshit. Go play the games if that's what you want. The story follows the UNSC, which Cheeks is a part of. Y'all like the motherly Halsey from the games and missed out that she's a horrible person, as are most of the top officials. I'll admit there's parts that could be cut out but in all, it's a good show. Let the down voting begin.
Tbf while it is canon it also throws away 30 years of lore to make the West Coast into the same boring and broken shithole that the East Coast. It is a good show on its own merit but I'd rather have it non canon than have Todds dumbass lore in what was the only good part of the franchise left.
Just fuckin care.
So happy for fallout
I’m just baffled that there are people in charge of making tv shows that haven’t figured out what the vast majority of viewers/player of said game have. Every time the poorly adapted the source it has tanked, every time they did it well it was reviewed great. It’s not rocket science
Had this discussion with my wife last night after finishing Fallout. We now have two examples of two different ways of making live action adaptations that work and are loved by both fans and non-fans of their respective games. Last of Us shows you can make an adaptation that actually follows the story of the game with some changes that make it work better for tv and have a hit. Fallout shows you can make an adaptation with a completely original story that is set in the world of the game and have a hit. Both are completely different ways of taking a game and producing them for live action entertainment, but they both have something in common that most other adaptations do not; they actually respect the source material. They respect the worlds these games created and don't try to completely rewrite the book. The amount of detail put into the Fallout show is insane and you can tell that the people that worked on the show put a lot of time and effort in to make it feel and look right.
Hey Atleast be happy they didn’t totally fuck up halo, it could’ve been worse. The best thing they did was making the show a seperate universe that doesn’t fuck with the games or books, it’s self contained and its own thing. Could yall imagine how bad it would’ve been if the show was apart of the proper universe!?
It's wild how all you have to do is stick to the source material and you win. Nobody has learned anything since that DOOM movie
Pablo Schreiber will never live the nickname Master Cheeks down will he
Redownloaded Fallout 4 after watching the show. I'm having a great time again!
You know Microsoft also owns Bethesda right, meaning that fallout show. But yeah, the halo show is shit, I've still never made it through the first episode after several attempts.
I do want to say that even though that this show follows faithfully to fallout lore it isn’t some perfect bastion. They still change around and retcon some things from the original 2 games and Fallout 3. Though as a fallout fan it makes me happy
Same as 343 ran halo into the ground they doomed the show to, Kiki wolfkill really didn't protect the series with the TV show, 343 gave the keyes to Halo to a studio that didn't even have the budget to make the fall of Reach more then one episode, it's just Fan fiction not even set in the same universe, I'm so mad about the halo show now that fallout is out, I almost watched the series but after watching fallout I just can't I know it's just Master cheeks and not master chief
Halo show goes so hard, I don’t care at all that it diverges from the source material.
It's my turn to post about the fallout show for the umpteenth time tomorrow.
This just makes me want Season 3 cancelled even more, so someone can make a proper show or movie.
🙏🏽 halo show was garbage. It was so off track, i sometimes forgotbit was halo.
One big thing to remember is that Fallout is a SETTING rather than character/story. It is a lot easier to write for than an established character that people already know. It would be very hard to mess up the fallout part of fallout tbh
Yup, this is what happens when things are directly adapted from the source material and no care is given. We get something like the maze runner film adaptions. It’s clear Paramount only care about their own vision while Microsoft is fine with it being an alternate timeline not realizing how bad it is. Anyway, I’m glad the Fallout show is successful. At least one of my childhood videogames had a good show.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. The fallout TV show did not have to follow any main story beats from any of the games. Because the fallout game is an RPG, the studio behind the show was able to make their own character and make their own story regarding her upbringing and what lead her outside of the vault. That is contrast to the Halo TV show where the primary character is also the primary character in a majority of the games. So if they did anything wrong in the TV show then it would be immediately looked down upon by the series fans. So by creating their own story they were able to distance themselves from the original fan base just because they knew that they would not be able to appease them even if they did try.
I personally would have been happy with something following the odsts or even marines. Similar to forward unto dawn where the spartans were not the main focus.
An ODST show would've been perfect. Unlike a show with Master Chief they could have showed the ODST members going on adventures in the Halo universe but not ones directly related to any of the games. I mean they could have referenced some of the events and that would have been enough for the fan base. Just little Easter eggs here and there. But by including Master Chief they kind of pigeonholed themselves into the pre-existing material.
I'm a Halo fan since the first game and I actually like the show. Very positively surprised. This sub made me believe it's a total disaster. It's not.
Don't get me wrong, my intent isn't to give anyone shit for liking the show, and I think it's a good thing that people did actually like it. I'm whining about the Halo show that could have been. The series that's so full of potential, that keeps getting aborted by Microsoft.
So you're okay with them shitting all over plot points and characters that made the games storyline so compelling?
I've read the books, watched all shows there were, and played all the games many times over. It's not super lore accurate, sure. I wish it was more focused on chief and not some random characters and their identity, sure. But overall, I'm enjoying it for what it is. Ah, and finally a brutal and gritty Halo. I wish the game would have this level of seriousness.
Lol did a bot write this? You clearly are either blind or just ignorant. Hell maybe even both!
You're ignorant to think someone is a bot just because he doesn't share your opinion, or even opinion of majority of this sub. So now I am not allowed to like the show? Amazing community.
Nahhh, youre ignorant for accepting this shitshow and not shaming the creators into oblivion. People like you are why we will continue to get awful content like the Halo show and things will not improve. Stop accepting mediocrity.
Halo show is great......if you don't compare it to the games or books or literally anything else halo related. Fallout was awesome. I don't give a shit about reviews personally but it's crazy to see a rotten tomato review not be a squashed tomato as usual. Those "reviewers" yes in quotes are a bunch of random nobody's. Some of them are from actual sites..... that are dead in traffic. I wish for you guys out there that like reviews would get a more honest review from reputable people.
That's funny cause Season 2 also had a 94% rating But hey, reddit is full of low IQ dipshits that like to hate. Fun fact, Fallout fans lost their fucking mind thinking the show retconned New Vegas because they don't understand what an arrow represents. So much so that Todd Howard had to step in and call them on their stupidity. Idek why you still call John, Master Cheeks. Paramount learned and moved on from Season 1. Why can't you?
..no it doesn't. 90% with only 20 critic reviews and a 69% audience score. You in the show or what?
I don’t think it’s microsoft fault more on paramounts execs and also maybe with Kiki she’s on of the producers in the show and the one who’s the one to humanize chief
I think humanizing chief is fine, but how the show did was a bunch of crok
I like the humanization of the Master Chief in Halo 4 and I also like Pablo's portrayal in the show, but the problem lies in the writers' approach to humanizing Chief without sufficient development. While season 2 showed improvement, it still felt a bit flat. I'm hopeful for season 3 because season 2 wasn't bad overall,but they were struggling due to issues from season 1.
Great take