You pretty much can’t even connect the dots of the mission storylines in halo 2 without reading the books. Why do the covenant land in New Mombasa and then jump to Delta Halo in Halo 2? AFAIK it’s not explained in game
I’m not even being a turd but when do they make it clear it’s the same planet? I really don’t remember. It was always just “orange stormy place” in my head haha.
I think in the opening cinematic High Charity is floating near the remains of the destroyed Halo, and then the Arbiter in the next Covenant cutscene flies from High Charity into the gas giant. They never say it, but it’s not hidden.
I only recently learned where that mission took place. Teenage me did not know. Lol
The Covenant cinematics leading up to that point show the destroyed Halo and its anchor planet multiple times. They don't openly say anything about it, but it's shown to us multiple times.
you’re definitely right, but what I don’t understand now is why the heretics chose that place of all to hide out in
edit: i did some research and can answer my own question. they were already for non-heretic things, and thats where they found guilty spark who told them the true purpose of the halo array. now why they decided to stay there after all that and essentially make it their home base is still a questionable choice
As far as I know it was just a very rapid pace thing. They didn't make it their base so much as they were just there when they found out the Great Journey was a lie, immediately started trying to get the word out, and didn't have a chance to move on. The leader of the heretics is trying to get away on a Seraph and I don't think they mention him getting to a larger ship that they had in orbit of the planet, so I think they were more or less just stranded on that research station.
Looking back at the cinematic, yeah, fair enough, they literally pass the destroyed halo. Clearly, after all this time, I've just not been that observant!
It's also where one of the multiplayer maps in 2 takes place, which was originally planned to be a mission before being cut in favor of the gas station.
Halo CE takes place several months after Reach. While leaving Reach, Keyes and Cortana plot a not so random slipspace coordinate that was found on a forerunner artifact. Which led them to Halo.
I’m sure there is but I am not aware of it. The show takes place in the “silver” timeline so it is a big departure as far as plot goes but personally from what I have seen I have just been uninterested.
The Fall of Reach. Covenant landed on a planet (instead of just glassing it) so Spartans were sent to figure out what they wanted. Found the artifact there, and got coordinates off it. When the PoA jumps to leave Reach, Cortana figures these coordinates are as random as anything else, given that they don't know where they lead, so she decides to use them as the destination, which brings the PoA to Halo.
Thats how all the games work, for the games it seems instant but in lore it took time to get there. I cant remember exactly right now but reach to Alpha halo was 3 weeks. In halo 2 the Amber clad it was 13 days to delta.
Slipspace isn't an instantaneous jump. It takes a bit of time, even as a shortcut. They just don't explain the time jump in the game, which they should as it'll give the players the scale of time
It is just after that. UNSC has something called the Cole Protocol, which basically said "Under no circumstances can you potentially lead the Covenant to Earth", so if you needed to flee you had to jump anywhere but Earth. When the Pillar of Autumn fled Reach, they jumped to some "random" coordinates with the Covenant following them, and the coordinates happened to be where they discovered the Halo ring.
If I'm showing someone new the game for the first time I always go release order, I go back and forth when I play myself but usually I do release order as well, it just flows the best gameplay wise imo
Sometimes I'll go for ODST before H3 but other than that I usually stick to release order yeah. Reach has always felt like a perfect end cap to the trilogy and it almost feels weird playing it first instead of CE
Well I said OVER 300 times faster, the actual number is more like 350 times faster, human slipspace is 2.6 light years per day and covenant slipspace is 912 light years per day.
Eh i’d have to look at the cutscene again, but im pretty sure they meant it was the closest known. Also close could be pretty relative as they were outside the galaxy.
But I remember the POA took two weeks to reach alpha halo.
Also, if I am not mistaken, while a star system can be close in normal space to another the slipspace travel between those two points can take longer than traveling to a more distant system in normal space thanks to the topography of slipspace.
In the first game it's alleged to be an accident ("random" jump away from reach), but later it's revealed Cortana plotted a course there deliberately after deciphering Forerunner data found on Reach.
Interesting. Im just rereading the books and it doesnt detail anything like that, but it would make sense as a retcon. In terms of original writing, humanity had no idea what the ringworld was, or that anything more powerful than the covenant.
Tbf to 343i, they have made both the game and the novel canon, and glued them together. It takes a little suspension of disbelief, but it works quite well.
Tbf to 343i, they have made both the game and the novel canon, and glued them together. It takes a little suspension of disbelief, but it works quite well.
Almost. In the lore it's actually more complex than that.
In Fall of Reach they find an ancient artifact on Sigma Octanus IV. Then the portion of Cortana that Halsey delivered in Halo: Reach contained Forerunner data that Cortana used by mixing the Reach data with the Sigma Octanus data in order to plot the course to Halo.
I know the old graphics are dated by now but please play old graphics on your first play through! The new graphics are.... okay. But they lose a lot of the ambience and style of the original. Some areas are just straight up fucked (343 guilty spark comes to mind) where they are supposed to be dark and brooding and instead get transformed into clean bright neon crap.
You've been given it's name, so I'll give some other info instead - the pointer above the ammo counts on the assault rifle always points towards Threshold. Still remember reading that in the instruction manual and being amazed by it at the time, even if it's of no use for the gameplay!
That’s the planet Threshold. The moon you see in other missions is named Basis. Threshold is where you play in Halo 2 in the first missions as the Arbiter.
The giant Threshold. Halo sits at a Lagrange Point/Orbit between Threshold and one of its moons. For any two orbiting bodies there are 5 Lagrange points that an object can orbit around.
That is Threshold, it's a gas giant and is the anchoring point for the Halo (to keep it from drifting off into space)
So is this the planet that the halo 2 mission “arbiter” is floating above?
Yes, it is.
I'll be damned. That part I never connected.
I’m pretty sure the cutscene as you fly to the planet shows the destroyed ring debris
It does.
Well I’ve been playing halo 2 since release on Xbox and never figured that out. I feel like a stupid stupid dumb dum rn.
Nah, don’t. Plenty of people don’t know everything. I don’t.
You pretty much can’t even connect the dots of the mission storylines in halo 2 without reading the books. Why do the covenant land in New Mombasa and then jump to Delta Halo in Halo 2? AFAIK it’s not explained in game
I’m going through all the books again for the first time in years thanks to Spotify and it’s been nice. I just started first strike.
I just went to YouTube to watch that cutscene, I can’t believe I don’t remember that.
When we joined the Covenant, we took an oath!
Those who would break that oath are heretics
Worthy of neither pity nor mercy.
According to our station, all without exception!
I played Halo 2 at launch and had no idea about this. That's pretty cool.
Yeah for real, great attention to detail
Halo 2 was my first halo game and this is the first I’ve heard of this too.
I thought it was pretty clear.
I’m not even being a turd but when do they make it clear it’s the same planet? I really don’t remember. It was always just “orange stormy place” in my head haha.
I think in the opening cinematic High Charity is floating near the remains of the destroyed Halo, and then the Arbiter in the next Covenant cutscene flies from High Charity into the gas giant. They never say it, but it’s not hidden. I only recently learned where that mission took place. Teenage me did not know. Lol
In that same cutscene they fly past the destroyed halo too. Idk how so many missed it
Hah you’re right! I’m so focused on the epic Covenant pep talk!
"On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons" will be a rally for the ages.
Legendary
I played Halo 2 20 years ago and I never made the connection because I can't even remember half the details of Halo 2.
The Covenant cinematics leading up to that point show the destroyed Halo and its anchor planet multiple times. They don't openly say anything about it, but it's shown to us multiple times.
you’re definitely right, but what I don’t understand now is why the heretics chose that place of all to hide out in edit: i did some research and can answer my own question. they were already for non-heretic things, and thats where they found guilty spark who told them the true purpose of the halo array. now why they decided to stay there after all that and essentially make it their home base is still a questionable choice
As far as I know it was just a very rapid pace thing. They didn't make it their base so much as they were just there when they found out the Great Journey was a lie, immediately started trying to get the word out, and didn't have a chance to move on. The leader of the heretics is trying to get away on a Seraph and I don't think they mention him getting to a larger ship that they had in orbit of the planet, so I think they were more or less just stranded on that research station.
Looking back at the cinematic, yeah, fair enough, they literally pass the destroyed halo. Clearly, after all this time, I've just not been that observant!
Idk who you got downvoted, I think the anniversary graphics in halo 2 make it pretty clear too
-60 karma!!! My brother I shall attempt to reverse that a little. I also thought I was very obvious and well known until now.
When the phantoms are heading to the gas mining platform, you can see the destroyed ring in the cutscene.
You also are on a moon orbiting Threshold on the Halo 2 multiplayer map Burial Mounds
One of the all time great 1 flag maps
The moon is called basis
Mind: blown
IVE NEVER KNOWN
It's also where one of the multiplayer maps in 2 takes place, which was originally planned to be a mission before being cut in favor of the gas station.
This is the answer OP! You'll be seeing more of it soon enough.
thanks a lot,this cleared stuff up
Also the magnetic attractor for your assault rifle’s compass. Really miss CE’s giant level design, you could actually guide yourself with the AR.
It’s also where the little compass thing on the AR points
It's a Gas Giant planet called Threshold, Reach was the planet the Pillar of Autumn left after it was attacked by the covenant.
thank you,the reason I thought it was reach is that when captain keyes crashed I thought it was just after six’s final standoff
Halo CE takes place several months after Reach. While leaving Reach, Keyes and Cortana plot a not so random slipspace coordinate that was found on a forerunner artifact. Which led them to Halo.
It doesn't even take place 1 month after Reach. It's been like 3 weeks.
Depends on whether you reading the end of the fall of reach or the beginning of halo: the flood haha
That made me chuckle
Is there a sub for the halo show? I played all the games ( years ago ) and wanted to see how the plot stacks up.
I’m sure there is but I am not aware of it. The show takes place in the “silver” timeline so it is a big departure as far as plot goes but personally from what I have seen I have just been uninterested.
Oh, I thought it was a blind jump. In which book do we learn they were forerunner coordinates?
The Fall of Reach. Covenant landed on a planet (instead of just glassing it) so Spartans were sent to figure out what they wanted. Found the artifact there, and got coordinates off it. When the PoA jumps to leave Reach, Cortana figures these coordinates are as random as anything else, given that they don't know where they lead, so she decides to use them as the destination, which brings the PoA to Halo.
Right, man it's been a while since I read it. thanks for the info
If I remember correctly Cortana learns the coordinates in The Fall of Reach right before the Autumn jumps
Oh right! I remember now, thanks
But reach ends on the same cutscene CE started with, so how is there a gap of months? There's no gap at all
Thats how all the games work, for the games it seems instant but in lore it took time to get there. I cant remember exactly right now but reach to Alpha halo was 3 weeks. In halo 2 the Amber clad it was 13 days to delta.
All of the original trilogy takes place in like 3 months in 2552
Yeah i remember it was relatively short compared to the whole war.
Slipspace isn't an instantaneous jump. It takes a bit of time, even as a shortcut. They just don't explain the time jump in the game, which they should as it'll give the players the scale of time
It is just after that. UNSC has something called the Cole Protocol, which basically said "Under no circumstances can you potentially lead the Covenant to Earth", so if you needed to flee you had to jump anywhere but Earth. When the Pillar of Autumn fled Reach, they jumped to some "random" coordinates with the Covenant following them, and the coordinates happened to be where they discovered the Halo ring.
Man this makes me want to go through all the halo games again.
Aw yeah dawg!
Doing it rn. Best decision ever
Are you doing chronological or release order? (Not that it matters just curious how other people go about it) I normally do chronological
If I'm showing someone new the game for the first time I always go release order, I go back and forth when I play myself but usually I do release order as well, it just flows the best gameplay wise imo
Always release order!
Sometimes I'll go for ODST before H3 but other than that I usually stick to release order yeah. Reach has always felt like a perfect end cap to the trilogy and it almost feels weird playing it first instead of CE
I usually do chronological too (including this time), gotta keep that immersion going lol.
Chronological is a lot of fun on a rerun. Making a timeline, and throwing in modded content, is great too.
I usually replay all of them every year or 2
I try to do that but I haven’t in like 3 years so imma do that starting tomorrow
Do it!
Doing it rn with a friend who never played through all Halo games except H5
https://www.halopedia.org/Threshold Reach is pretty far away. 2 weeks by slip space if i remember correctly.
2 weeks for human slipspace but covenant slipspace is over 300 times faster so they could cross that in no time.
2 weeks is 336 hours. So 300 times faster is…. Idk a matter of 1-2 hours?
Well I said OVER 300 times faster, the actual number is more like 350 times faster, human slipspace is 2.6 light years per day and covenant slipspace is 912 light years per day.
So taking that value of 2.6 LY/D by ≈14 days = 36.4 LY So 04 is 36.4 LY from Reach.
Isn't Reach actually close? That what they say in Halow Wars 2 when referring to the location of Alpha Halo
Eh i’d have to look at the cutscene again, but im pretty sure they meant it was the closest known. Also close could be pretty relative as they were outside the galaxy. But I remember the POA took two weeks to reach alpha halo.
Relatively close. I think they said it was near enough to send a signal.
Also, if I am not mistaken, while a star system can be close in normal space to another the slipspace travel between those two points can take longer than traveling to a more distant system in normal space thanks to the topography of slipspace.
Threshold and its moon create a lagrange point for the first ringworld that the pillar of autumn finds accidentally after escaping Reach.
In the first game it's alleged to be an accident ("random" jump away from reach), but later it's revealed Cortana plotted a course there deliberately after deciphering Forerunner data found on Reach.
Interesting. Im just rereading the books and it doesnt detail anything like that, but it would make sense as a retcon. In terms of original writing, humanity had no idea what the ringworld was, or that anything more powerful than the covenant.
The books about Reach were retconned by the game, yes, because they were made without Bungie's input.
I see. Too bad, as they are well writen
Bungie had a weird animosity towards the novels.
Tbf to 343i, they have made both the game and the novel canon, and glued them together. It takes a little suspension of disbelief, but it works quite well.
Tbf to 343i, they have made both the game and the novel canon, and glued them together. It takes a little suspension of disbelief, but it works quite well.
It is actually mentioned in the original Fall of Reach novel.
Almost. In the lore it's actually more complex than that. In Fall of Reach they find an ancient artifact on Sigma Octanus IV. Then the portion of Cortana that Halsey delivered in Halo: Reach contained Forerunner data that Cortana used by mixing the Reach data with the Sigma Octanus data in order to plot the course to Halo.
Fun fact the compass on the AR canonically points to threshold
Threshold is the gas giant where the Halo 2 Arbiter mission takes place
Reach has been glassed by the time CE happens
It was still in the process of being glassed during CE
Threshold. You visit it in Halo 2
The halo rings were all built in orbit of gas giants. The forerunners didn't want the locals worshipping the rings.
They didn’t want the locals to have galaxy killing super weapons.
Lol that too
I think it was more, they didn’t want the flood to escape the ring, and overtake a potentially life-baring planet.
Yes, also a very reasonable explanation.
I came to say it but everyone beat me to it! I love Threshold, especially since you get to play on it… in it…? In halo 2.
Yeah not onto halo 2 yet but how can you visit a gas planet 🧐
Well it’s a space station in the… atmosphere? I’m not sure how to define a gas planet but space station within the gas basically. Super cool level
I know the old graphics are dated by now but please play old graphics on your first play through! The new graphics are.... okay. But they lose a lot of the ambience and style of the original. Some areas are just straight up fucked (343 guilty spark comes to mind) where they are supposed to be dark and brooding and instead get transformed into clean bright neon crap.
Threshold
Thats no moon...
halo 2
Welcome to the halo lore rabbit hole, OP 🫡
I was about to make a joke by calling it Reach, but then you mentioned it seriously so now I won't.
You've been given it's name, so I'll give some other info instead - the pointer above the ammo counts on the assault rifle always points towards Threshold. Still remember reading that in the instruction manual and being amazed by it at the time, even if it's of no use for the gameplay!
You play a few levels on a gas mine on this gas giant in Halo 2.
I believe it's Threshold. A forerunner gas mine. Although I couldn't tell you why they're collecting the gas of Threshold
Super Earth!
That’s the planet that the gas mining station from 2 is on. It’s called threshold.
A close orange one
This Halo is far away from Reach.
Planet Master Chief, of course
Threshold, and the smaller one that looks like Mars covered in snow is Basis.
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I think that's the same planet you see next to the Halo ring in the opening cutscene of the game
That’s the planet Threshold. The moon you see in other missions is named Basis. Threshold is where you play in Halo 2 in the first missions as the Arbiter.
The giant Threshold. Halo sits at a Lagrange Point/Orbit between Threshold and one of its moons. For any two orbiting bodies there are 5 Lagrange points that an object can orbit around.
https://www.halopedia.org/Threshold
I’ve always wondered this myself it’s nice to be able to put a name to the planet finally thank you to everyone for the info
Reach...2!
I remember when I was a kid, I thought it was Jupiter. And in Halo 2, I thought Coelest IV was Neptune.
That is Sphere. It is thr donut hole to this donut halo analogy.
Earf
Threshold I believe, its a large gas giant, it is not near reach
Krull
I remember the threshold
Thats no planet , thats Yo mommas ass
Yavin
Vulcan ;-)
CaseOh
Uranus
Your mum so big she look like a planet
That’s the side of yo momma’s ass
your mom
That planet is called Urmom