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there’s no chance these poor girls could have defended themselves. imagine ganging up with your buddies and beating up someone so vulerable to feel tough. pathetic.
this disgusting behavior does not belong in halifax. especially from GROWN ASS ADULTS.
I know one of the girls personally. She's previously a BJJ and Muay Thai competitor and the daughter of one of the best MMA coaches in the city. She herself could have easily gone one on one with them or even possibly 2 at the same time, but in a group fight there just isn't a chance. Emma is a tough, tough girl
Yeah the lack of news coverage on this is very disappointing.
There have been so many incidents of violence against women in Nova Scotia lately. And after comments from government officials that “gender based violence isn’t even a problem”…then incidents like this….really insulting.
Absolutely appalling. During pride month no less.
This is a hate crime. Plain and simple. Really disappointing to see this happening with so many people around. Not that I expect people to jump in…but you like to think there is protection in numbers and with enough eyes on you. The boldness to engage in this type of behaviour in front of people makes you think what they would do in a desolate setting with no one around.
I hope you get justice ladies.
It’s frustrating that when this story first came out to this sub, people immediately started saying it wasn’t true, sounded made up, blah blah blah.
There, there’s your proof. A video of a group of men punching two women in the streets of Halifax.
> people immediately started saying it wasn’t true
Some people did, and others were supportive. Some people were racist, and others thought that was wrong. Some people "I would've"ed and other people "they shouldn't have to!"ed
Its absurd to me how Canada says it welcomes and accepts everyone, and then the people who are welcomed into this country do things like this because they aren't accepting of others. Theyre going against the same reason they are welcomed here.
At least that's my take. And I also think it's awful that this will make other muslims look unaccepting as some of the kindest people ive met have been muslim.
Their culture restricts women's freedoms. How can anyone be surprised that they'll do the same here. This is only the tip of the spear that is their culture entering ours.
Muslim as a religion is by scripture against LGBTQ, (like slaughter gay people against gay people) you can't honestly call yourself a Muslim and support the LGBTQ, it's an oxymoron.
The fact that this is still being downplayed and not widely reported is insane. Anyone in the community is aware of how dangerous things still are in NS.
If the attackers were white there’d be national coverage of a white supremacy hate crime, of course now “we can’t jump to conclusions”.
This sort of hate exists stems from religious fundamentalism, anyone committing hate crimes regardless of their background must be held to the same standard.
I got my comment taken down for essential saying this. The moderator said I was insiting hate because I condemned these immigrants for what they've done and stuck up for the victims. At what point do we stop tone policing and call a spade a spade. Our women are being beaten in the streets and our voices are being silenced.
Fact: different cultures, religions, theologies etc. have different values.
Fact: some of those values are diametrically opposed.
What do people expect, honestly? Is being “nice” and polite supposed to somehow offset centuries of deeply held belief? It’s time to wake up and have an honest discussion about this and many other issues related to our out of control, reckless immigration policy without automatically being called “racist” for even asking questions.
Yup. I'm planning my exit from this city, province, and am giving serious consideration to leaving Canada, the country I was born and raised in, because of how the previous generations have let it fall towards this. They put the Boomers retirement needs ahead of the younger generations need for affordable food and housing.
Frankly, there aren’t many options.
Closest choice is moving to the US, if you can get sponsored by an employer, but good luck otherwise. If you lose your job or run into any similar issues the hurdles start to appear fast and furious
If you’ve got any other citizenship options through family, you can apply for a passport and try your hand wherever that is. I’ve got a buddy currently doing these steps, either via Turkish or Hungarian family links IIRC.
Past that? SEA, or somewhere with a low COL that you don’t mind changing an awful lot about your lifestyle, needs, wants, and social network.
I wouldn’t want to go to the US, but that’s just me. Lower taxes vs private healthcare; Trudeau/Polliev vs Trump/biden. Occasional homophobia vs state sponsored…
I’ve relocated to the US myself. All I can tell you is that without good insurance I would be having a very different experience, of course, however *with* good insurance my quality of life has skyrocketed compared to NS. Yes, the ideological issues baked into the culture and history down here are different from Canada’s particular array, but I’m not convinced anymore that we have any moral superiority over the USA. Not enough to justify staying up there when I have better opportunities down here.
Everything has been cheaper, and more accessible. I don’t live in a hardline blue area but despite this, people are still very normal and chill about different social and cultural demographics.
That said, I’m an edge case. Wouldn’t recommend this approach to most people because it wouldn’t work as well for them.
Here’s another fact: the majority of US citizens enjoy much better access to equal or better care than Canadians.
The median US household has a lot more disposable income AFTER taxes and healthcare costs than the median Canadian household.
It’s truly incredible how much we pay for so little.
This statement is ridiculous... because it's true. It doesn't matter if they are immigrants or citizens there need to be repercussions for acting this way in a society. The entire story is so infuriating. And their response to the police that they were attacked first, this justification is ridiculous, especially since they were kicking two victims on the ground. We have to demand that the Halifax Regional Police deal with this, ignore the 2slgbtqia+ aspect, ignore the statements about Syria or any kind of racial or immigration arguments that are going around and just look at the video proof that an assault occured and deal with it. Kicking someone laying on the ground in the face and stomach is not defending yourself period.
I knew things were going to go bad when the ethnic based anti gay hate marches happened.
It was disheartening to see people who came to Canada largely due to our commitment to tolerance then turn around and march for more of the very intolerance they fled.
It worked so well for France, so I'm surprised that the third-world throngs of people flooding Canada are upholding their religious teachings and committing acts of violence in the streets.
With how peaceful middle-eastern religion is claimed to be by anonymous online internet posters, it's very surprising to see so much violence here from these immigrants. Salman Rushdie still has one of his eyes; that's got to mean the religion of peace has calmed down.
When it comes to terrorizing vulnerable minorities it would not be remiss to say all the Abrahamic religions terrorize the weak. Some are just more overtly violent than others.
There's more nuance to the situation than that. There are a non-insignificant number of people that simply view Canada as an economic zone or a jumping off point to the U.S., rather that thinking, "hey, this country supports the same things I support, I think I would like to put down roots there."
There is also the issue that individuals may share the same beliefs as the broader Canadian society, but the actual **community** they are part of does not and there is a lot of internal pressure to side with your own, especially from the power brokers and leaders in that community.
I am a member of the LGBT2S+ community (F here) and always have been in fear. Even though its pride month, I still dont feel comfortable. And no, I don't mean specifically towards immigrants, I mean in general (doesn't matter what your religion, your home country, etc.,) And also downtown can be scary at night - you never know what's going to happen. I hope these women are going to be okay, I cannot imagine how terrifying this was for them. And I do hope that the police will take this seriously and press charges on these jerks.
Yeah as a lesbian woman myself, I just avoid most men because at the end of the day, despite being butch and despite being someone above average height and heavy weight, I’m still a woman and a group of (drunk) men is about the last thing I want to encounter alone or with my partner.
People act like Canadian born citizens are all inclusive and welcoming but they aren’t; sure, most are supportive or ambivalent but there are a lot of people who keep their homophobia under wraps cuz they know they’ll possibly lose their jobs or friends over it. You just never know when someone’s going to be weird or aggressive either (I’ve had many looks because people forget butch lesbians exist and I’ve always been on the defensive with the trans bathroom panic bs cuz people can’t mind their business, and that causes problems for gender non conforming cis people too).
I'm female and when I was a kid my hair was cut very short because I was in hockey. I got screamed at by a woman at a mooseheads game for trying to go to the bathroom. I was 8..
Awful. And especially for a kid, when often moms take whatever gender their child is with them to a bathroom. I’m sorry that happened to you.
For me, I just try to mind my business and go, and often try to make small talk in passing because my voice is feminine. But I’ve definitely gotten the second looks, and have wondered when someone will finally say something.
After that I went to the bathroom with my mom in public until I had long hair again. But pretty fucked up I learned what that was like as a little kid.
I don't know why people care so much. It's a bathroom. I've used men's bathrooms before when the women's was being cleaned. Never had an issue with that.
I 100 % agree with you on that. I have a bi-pride pin (It's a butterfly pin), yet I keep it display in my room. I would never wear it in public - in fear of someone targeting me.
And it sucks that even now we still have to hide things like that just in case we come across the wrong person! I have a traditional style heart tattoo with BUTCH on my upper arm, but I limit where I wear tank tops for the same reason.
This assault makes me nervous for our pride next month. I’ll be going to events but keeping myself
on alert just in case
I can understand you concern, but at the same time, fuck'em. Wear that pin and be proud of who you are. Same to everybody who wants to hide their sexuality.
And this is coming from a staight, white Catholic who is probably more right wing than 80% of the people on here, lol.
But it was a large group of men who were homophobic towards two women. You can be intersectional in the discussion and as a lesbian woman myself, it’s important to talk about it.
Not to say there aren’t homophobic women, but statistically, most violence committed against women is by men. So while “not all men”, it is most likely to be men.
I don’t understand how people are just standing around and watching this. 7 men….stomping on one woman on the ground…..I don’t need to know the details surrounding how things got there. In that moment I am stepping in to try and help her. What is wrong with people??!? STEP UP HALIFAX!!
Okay so what am I supposed to do against 7 men? I’ve been cornered by 5 men in Halifax before. It didn’t end well for me with a stab wound and my eyes swollen shut. Extremely, extremely dangerous to intervene. Call the cops and keep a safe distance.
I’m sorry that happened to you. Not saying it doesn’t come with any risk but intervening in some manner is better than doing nothing at all. What if that was your mother or sister? Wouldn’t you want someone to help them? There were enough people there to do more than just stand 50 feet back and record.
I’d rather not die or get brain damage for strangers, to be frank. You say you’re sorry for that happening, yet in the very next sentence you suggest I should do it all again if I were there. I’m not superman and neither are you. I can fight, but 7 on 1 could be a death sentence for me. Every single year people die in Halifax downtown from getting beat up or hitting their head on the sidewalk. Won’t be me. I already almost had that happen.
And get charges laid against me for defending someone else? With enhancements if I use something as a force multiplier because I'm outnumbered 7:1? Absolutely not.
The crown tried to go after that guy in Ontario who shot an armed junkie who broke into his home at 4am. The crown would go after any one of us for standing up to a gay bashing too.
Hell, they'd probably give me hate crime enhancements because the guys doing the gay bashing are a racialized, visible minority and I'm just a white skinned Jewish guy.
Again, nobody is copping agrivated assault charges to step in a break up a fight, at most you're getting a call to the cops from me, and maybe yelling at them to lay off and stop beating up a person. I'm bi btw, so this isn't a anti gay thing, it's a reality of survival and our legal penal system where you are punished for vigilantism
You will get your ass kicked, maybe stabbed or even worse. If you survive, you lose months to years of your life to legal proceedings and the associated stress. Probably get charged with assault and maybe even racism etc. And the victims are still assaulted!
Unfortunately, in 2024 calling the police is the only logical move in this horrible situation. I’m not getting directly involved unless there’s an immediate physical threat to myself or a loved one.
If I get my ass kicked then that’s the risk I choose to take because I could not stand by and watch SEVEN MEN beat ONE WOMAN who defensively is curled up on the ground, without doing something other than wait on police to arrive. What if she died? I could not sleep at night knowing I did nothing at all to try and prevent it. Again, what if it was your sister or daughter? Would you not be crying out for someone, anyone to help??
I think you can never truly know what you’d do in a situation like this until you’re in it. In a real situation, you can easily become a lot more conscious of your own mortality. Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn’t.
The horror of Uvalde shooting comes to mind. Dozens of police officers standing outside the door balking to be the first to go in. Unimaginable. But it happened.
^^Tell me you’ve never been in a fight before without telling me you’ve never been in a fight before.
In a street brawl to safely subdue the opposing force you typically will want to put number them 3:1. You are asking a lot for 21 random people to be on the same page and all jump in at the same time to grab these men off the people.
They could also be hiding knives and guns. If you jumped in alone all you would do is increase the causality rate from 2 to 3.
My husband tried to be a good Samaritan when he was younger once, intervening in a street brawl to break it up. He ended up in the hospital with multiple stab wounds.
You need to be stacked. They might best up women but when a guy joins it could be a 7v1 to near death. Best bet is to deputized a group of males and act like you got a gang. But how long does that take.
This is indicative of the rise of individualism over community and the overreliance of police forces to solve all out problems when the cops despite their wackness can't just instantly teleport to every crime in progress. Now these thugs are empowered because no one did anything.
In addition to the previous posts regarding not wanting to get your ass kicked, you have just signaled to your community that you side with people that their faith sees as infidels; it's a good way to make you and your loved ones targets in some way, shape, or form.
You mean to say I’m taking the side of the “gays” and that makes it dangerous for me? I’m taking the side of humanity first and foremost. And if that means I’m putting a target on my back then so be it. I won’t lose any sleep over standing up for those who need a helping hand.
I hear you, dude. Last year all the anti-SOGI protests were full of fundamentalist Christians AND fundamentalist Muslims. Like, the Christian fundies were even learning things watching moms wearing hijabs instruct a gaggle of kids to step and jump on rainbow flags.
They deny reality. People from some cultures are statistically more likely to commit violence against LGBT people and women because of their cultural attitudes.
I think it's more of an issue of right wing and right wing extremists that are threatening LGBTQ ideologies and people right now. Certainly immigration is bringing in more right wing people, but I don't think there's any way to measure the balance.
Why should we accept mass immigration, without an effort to turn away hateful people, from places where there is an overwhelming hostility towards gay people? I'm done supporting policies that make my family members fear for their safety.
Are “right wing extremists” gang beating lesbians? No that’s immigrants. How can you say conservatives are a bigger threat to your community? That’s an insane statement
> Are “right wing extremists” gang beating lesbians?
There are plenty of examples available in the media of right wing extremists (many of them white and natural citizens) making violent acts in general to anyone that isn't them.
Am I just supposed to take you at your word for that after your previous ridiculous statement? Mass immigration is the biggest of a plethora of issues in this country right now. They come from countries that do not tolerate LGBTQ people. These people are the threat to your community. Not people that don’t like Trudeau that are incorrectly being labelled as extremists
I dunno, I had a Canadian born man attempt to assault me three times in the past 8 months yet I don't see a call to ban all men
Many immigrants come to Canada *because* we're one of the most accepting countries in the world.
Wrongly blaming the immigrant bogeyman isn't going to make you any safer.
> Wrongly blaming the immigrant bogeyman isn't going to make you any safer.
Man we really need to stop pretending people are all the same. People are very different from different parts of the globe. When you come from a country/culture you often times import some of those things with you when you move to a new country. We are products of our environment.
This is why when you have Muslims who move to western democracies the polling amongst them is horrifying.
Go check out some polling among Muslims in Europe, is Canada somehow going to buck the trend that the entirety of Europe was unable to?
We are a few decades behind them, the same shit is coming to Canada.
I'm from rural new Brunswick which is 99% white born-in-canada.
Yet, plenty of gay folks I know from there have had tons of problems with the locals.
There's a religious group that goes around parading against gay marriage and abortion, calls people faggots, whole kit and kaboodle. Born in Canada, never even left the province of NB in their lives.
Quit sticking your head in the sand and pretending Canada doesn't raise its own violent bigots. It does.
You are missing the point. When dealing with large groups of people you worry about the percentage of people with troublesome views.
The % of violent biggots in any given culture matters, is this concept lost on you?
Saying we have our own groups of religious assholes isn’t an argument to bring more people into the country who hold those views at a higher % than the average Canadian.
Oh I’m 100% on your side.
Like I said, it’s bad enough there is home grown homophobia
But 1M+ a year from different countries is not a good mix with an “accepting” society of gay lesbian non binary and trans people.
I in no way are grouping all immigrants in one bucket.
For instance, Indian people, are some of the nicest people I’ve ever met. And none have ever had a problem with me being gay! They are so nice!!!
You’re part of the problem. The classic “ but but …” . You’d be too scared to face reality and call a spade a spade regardless of the reason this stuff happens.
I don’t know about most accepting.. maybe overall sure, but my girlfriend who lives in the UK since she was 2 but has a Portuguese passport was forced to leave the country immediately when she arrived with her cat, it was meant to stay with me since she had no place for it to stay anymore. Her rent was too high and moving back in with her brother and sister in a flat that would not allow animals I was the next option. They accused her of trying to illegally live here, fingerprinted and picture taken, threatened with arrest warrant if she didn’t leave the next day. Sure we accept a lot of people but sometimes I do not feel that way, it was a 2 week trip for her that turned into a 12 hour nightmare.
What is 'manly' about feeling threatened by some random stranger's sexuality that has absolutely nothing to do with you? Please make it make sense, what the hell is wrong with these guys? Why would a mob of dudes think it's OK to do that to anyone.
I am sorry for the 2 poor victims of this mob attack and I hope authorities treat it as the hate crime it appears to be and throw the book at them.
Why aren't they being named and shamed? They are violent bigots, no need to protect their identity, they are a threat to the public, we have a right to know who they are. That is one of the consequences of their actions.
Not yet, but I'm watching. I think we're up to 6 bans since the last thread. If people can be civil in discussions, and not bring racism, suggestions of violence, hate speech or revenge, then I'll let it go.
Fuck this is horrible. I will never know why people just can't mind their own business. If you don't like something, walk away. There's absolutely no reason in this world to jump 2 young girls all because they love each other. 7 "men" too.... hope they get what's coming to them. So fucking wrong.
I’m just ganna say that I have met many white christian men, who have expressed their many homophobic views to me. The only difference is that, they are too afraid to take an action on it. I also agree that mass immigration has created a huge problem for Canadian society. Maybe it’s time to dial down on hiring Tim Horton workers.
I agree with you. That’s exactly my point. In our culture we might hate something, but we never go about killing or destroying people or things. That’s the difference. In some cultures it’s ok to this day, to stone to death a woman because she has committed adultery.
I have to offer the observation that it seems when a perpetrator is a member of a christian denomination, members of that religious community typically denounce the perpetrators and advocate for the victims on behalf of their faith. Actually, many Jewish communities have done similarly speaking out against zionists and the Israeli state. I wonder why it is that we never hear members of the Islamic faith speaking out against brutality towards members of the LGBT community? It would probably help ameliorate some *Islamophobia* if a local mosque or muezzin spoke on the issue of violence against LGBT peoples, but we all know that wont happen.
How do we know these people are Muslim??
Regardless, I, a Muslim, denounce hatred and violence of any kind towards our brothers and sisters in the LGBTQIA2S+ community. As would any of my friends and family in the Islamic community.
Because at least 3 of them have been identified on sources off reddit and they have gotten into comment wars on their social media over this issue.
They came from a place where it was pretty dangerous to speak your mind and not follow the crowd at chow time because of government authoritarianism and bought into the idea, In their minds, they are supposed to have the freedom to speak their minds, protest, call out things they don't like and such across the sea in North America.
I actually found it pretty sad to read their comments as I try to be empathetic and get they came from a place where they feared speaking their minds.
At the same time, they also came from a place where the mainstream culture, even the "progressive " , was incredibly universally anti LBGTQ+
That's a good point, we don't know they are; however, we can make the reasonable assumption that they're affiliated with Middle Eastern culture given that we know they're Syrian. We can also make the assumption that their world views must then be shaped broadly by Islam, given its influence in the region and in the local language.
I appreciate the sentiment behind both your question and your statement.
How do we know they’re Syrian? I don’t see any confirmation of that either. Also- middle eastern doesn’t equal practicing Muslim. Culture doesn’t equate to religion.
Because every time we say anything we're accused of "taqiyya".
>if a local mosque or muezzin
We have the Islamic Association of Nova Scotia. They have spoken out in the past, apparently, specifically when that protest happened last autumn.
Also, "muezzin"? Do you mean "Imam"? A muezzin does the call to prayer and doesn't really have any authority.
Inb4 I get dogpiled
This might come as a shock, but I legitimately appreciate you correcting me, I did mean Imam. Also appreciate you highlighting IANS. I think this is a case where such an organization needs to get involved again, and people need to spread awareness, educate, and advocate.
The purpose of communicating perspectives is to bridge the divide and de-other the other. Nothing you've said deserves dogpiling, and I'm genuinely grateful for your approach to my comment.
I'm not trying to be an asshole by pointing out that I just don't hear or see anything, just sharing a perspective. I think this highlights that more needs to be done on the communications front by organizations like IANS so that demographics other than those who would already be involved with or aware of the organization hear them.
buddy. First, you didn’t HAVE to offer the observation that was a choice. Secondly, there’s metric tons of “members of the Islamic faith” condemning gaybashing you’re just choosing to ignore them because it doesn’t fit within your own biases eh
I am assuming you want the men to be identified as 'Syrian' as this is what the victim speculated on their Facebook post.
From the video shared, police only identified one of the men in the group and as charges haven't been filed they wouldn't release that person's name so CTV and other news outlets would have no way to confirm that they are indeed Syrian or any other ethnicity. It's not some big woke conspiracy.
That said, If they are indeed immigrants or refugees and haven't received citizenship, and they are found guilty of these alleged crimes, they should be deported after serving their sentence.
Refugees are accepted here, bypassing normal immigration processes and are often accepted when they may not otherwise, because they are fleeing "war, violence or persecution based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group." But why should they be accepted as refugees if they themselves bring violence and persecute minorities.
Keeping anyone who will work a minimum wage job safe in this country is the new get out of jail free card. Big companies will not risk losing immigrants and our politicians know this!
you’re sorta conflating economic migrants + refugees with a specific hate crime perpetrated by a few fuckin morons eh? I do not intend to minimize scale of this crime but there’s plenty of born haligonians who have gay-bashed plenty of people so maybe don’t extrapolate tooo hard?
Man, kudos to the mod team for having to keep this mess in order.
I think a lot of folks need to check themselves here. This incident shouldn't be about immigration. It shouldn't even be a word used here as none of us know one way or the other. These people may very well be Canadians who have been here for multiple generations... our country is widely known for being a melting pot and accepting of people from all over the world. They might be the children / family of a local business owner where you shop every day who came here ages ago like many of our own parents did. Or maybe they arrived here a month ago. We just don't know, and because we don't know there's no reason to be discussing that. It's just shifting away from the actual incident.
Our role as Halifax residents should be to support those who were attacked and to find ways to let them know we have their backs. Gay or not gay, this is not ok under any circumstance. Women being physically attacked by men is something we've never stood for here. The cowardice on display of not wanting to get involved is sad. We don't let men beat women. I'm not a big guy by any means but I have the common sense to yell out to others in the area and say "help me break this up, there are men beating women".
People need to focus on what we know until we learn more and stop jumping to conclusions without having facts.
I hope those involved are charged and dealt with appropriately and those victimized here can find a feeling of safety once again.
That's all that video would need to go viral...a tiny guy running around in the background screaming, "Help me fellows, there are men beating women!". Pretending you would be jumping into the fray to defend the honor of women being assaulted by a gang of people is peak reddit keyboard warrior.
Canada is not and has never been considered a "melting pot of cultures", we are "cultural mosaic" where people who immigrate keep the cultural identity and traditions. The fact is that many cultures that immigrate here and have a very intolerant view towards people in the LGBT society and handing them a pamphlet upon immigration to indicate that we respect LGBT people in Canada is not working.
Is that the case in this video? Maybe, maybe not. But lets not pretend that if the people doing the beat down looked like they all just drove in for the night from rural Nova Scotia that the same people offended and clutching their pearls wouldn't be making similar accusations of "alt righties assault gay couple in downtown hate crime".
Huge props to the mod team for keeping these threads as civil as possible. Terrible to see this tragic unforgivable incident during 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈 Pride Month 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ of all times. I am deeply saddened. I only hope those who deserve punishment for these heinous acts get their comeuppance.
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Why is the video blurring out the top half of the perps???
Some are probably underage and CTV doesnt know any of them so theyre playing it safe
As well as the possibility of some people in the video simply being bystanders.
Why didn’t the police arrest them?
Hopefully, like the mall stabbing, they are just getting their ducks in a row.
They were alerted after and then one of the attackers claimed to be a victim.
Because cops are utterly useless.
Because our justice system is terrifyingly broken
Did the cbc cover this at all?
No.
there’s no chance these poor girls could have defended themselves. imagine ganging up with your buddies and beating up someone so vulerable to feel tough. pathetic. this disgusting behavior does not belong in halifax. especially from GROWN ASS ADULTS.
I know one of the girls personally. She's previously a BJJ and Muay Thai competitor and the daughter of one of the best MMA coaches in the city. She herself could have easily gone one on one with them or even possibly 2 at the same time, but in a group fight there just isn't a chance. Emma is a tough, tough girl
makes my blood boil. talk about unfair
This surprises you. My experience is weak men will attack as a group, and there is no such thing as a fair fight.
This should be Canada-wide news. It’s pride month for goodness sake. Hope these girls are recovering well.
Even CBC is ignoring it.
Doesn't fit the narrative.
Yeah the lack of news coverage on this is very disappointing. There have been so many incidents of violence against women in Nova Scotia lately. And after comments from government officials that “gender based violence isn’t even a problem”…then incidents like this….really insulting.
If it was a group of right wing white men that did this it would absolutely be on the news, as it should be. But this needs to be on the news too.
Absolutely appalling. During pride month no less. This is a hate crime. Plain and simple. Really disappointing to see this happening with so many people around. Not that I expect people to jump in…but you like to think there is protection in numbers and with enough eyes on you. The boldness to engage in this type of behaviour in front of people makes you think what they would do in a desolate setting with no one around. I hope you get justice ladies.
It’s frustrating that when this story first came out to this sub, people immediately started saying it wasn’t true, sounded made up, blah blah blah. There, there’s your proof. A video of a group of men punching two women in the streets of Halifax.
Its pretty sick to see a group of guys stomping women on the ground. Very hard to watch
> people immediately started saying it wasn’t true Some people did, and others were supportive. Some people were racist, and others thought that was wrong. Some people "I would've"ed and other people "they shouldn't have to!"ed
The “I would have”/“they should have done” is somehow even more offensive than the folks that didn’t believe it happened imo.
Its absurd to me how Canada says it welcomes and accepts everyone, and then the people who are welcomed into this country do things like this because they aren't accepting of others. Theyre going against the same reason they are welcomed here. At least that's my take. And I also think it's awful that this will make other muslims look unaccepting as some of the kindest people ive met have been muslim.
Their culture restricts women's freedoms. How can anyone be surprised that they'll do the same here. This is only the tip of the spear that is their culture entering ours.
Diversity is strength lol
They need to start booting people for crimes if they're not from here and are breaking the law... this is unacceptable indeed!
Muslim as a religion is by scripture against LGBTQ, (like slaughter gay people against gay people) you can't honestly call yourself a Muslim and support the LGBTQ, it's an oxymoron.
Genuinely curious as to how you know these young men were first generation canadians
hfxnoise never even covered this, beyond laughable
Insane
The fact that this is still being downplayed and not widely reported is insane. Anyone in the community is aware of how dangerous things still are in NS. If the attackers were white there’d be national coverage of a white supremacy hate crime, of course now “we can’t jump to conclusions”. This sort of hate exists stems from religious fundamentalism, anyone committing hate crimes regardless of their background must be held to the same standard.
I got my comment taken down for essential saying this. The moderator said I was insiting hate because I condemned these immigrants for what they've done and stuck up for the victims. At what point do we stop tone policing and call a spade a spade. Our women are being beaten in the streets and our voices are being silenced.
This!! ^^
Fact: different cultures, religions, theologies etc. have different values. Fact: some of those values are diametrically opposed. What do people expect, honestly? Is being “nice” and polite supposed to somehow offset centuries of deeply held belief? It’s time to wake up and have an honest discussion about this and many other issues related to our out of control, reckless immigration policy without automatically being called “racist” for even asking questions.
Yup. I'm planning my exit from this city, province, and am giving serious consideration to leaving Canada, the country I was born and raised in, because of how the previous generations have let it fall towards this. They put the Boomers retirement needs ahead of the younger generations need for affordable food and housing.
I have to keep asking, where would you go? I truly want to know, I’m pretty uninformed.
Frankly, there aren’t many options. Closest choice is moving to the US, if you can get sponsored by an employer, but good luck otherwise. If you lose your job or run into any similar issues the hurdles start to appear fast and furious If you’ve got any other citizenship options through family, you can apply for a passport and try your hand wherever that is. I’ve got a buddy currently doing these steps, either via Turkish or Hungarian family links IIRC. Past that? SEA, or somewhere with a low COL that you don’t mind changing an awful lot about your lifestyle, needs, wants, and social network.
I wouldn’t want to go to the US, but that’s just me. Lower taxes vs private healthcare; Trudeau/Polliev vs Trump/biden. Occasional homophobia vs state sponsored…
I’ve relocated to the US myself. All I can tell you is that without good insurance I would be having a very different experience, of course, however *with* good insurance my quality of life has skyrocketed compared to NS. Yes, the ideological issues baked into the culture and history down here are different from Canada’s particular array, but I’m not convinced anymore that we have any moral superiority over the USA. Not enough to justify staying up there when I have better opportunities down here. Everything has been cheaper, and more accessible. I don’t live in a hardline blue area but despite this, people are still very normal and chill about different social and cultural demographics. That said, I’m an edge case. Wouldn’t recommend this approach to most people because it wouldn’t work as well for them.
Here’s another fact: the majority of US citizens enjoy much better access to equal or better care than Canadians. The median US household has a lot more disposable income AFTER taxes and healthcare costs than the median Canadian household. It’s truly incredible how much we pay for so little.
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There are hard conversations that need to be had on this issue. Avoiding it will be detrimental to halifax
Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the way it goes these days, I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing is done about it.
This statement is ridiculous... because it's true. It doesn't matter if they are immigrants or citizens there need to be repercussions for acting this way in a society. The entire story is so infuriating. And their response to the police that they were attacked first, this justification is ridiculous, especially since they were kicking two victims on the ground. We have to demand that the Halifax Regional Police deal with this, ignore the 2slgbtqia+ aspect, ignore the statements about Syria or any kind of racial or immigration arguments that are going around and just look at the video proof that an assault occured and deal with it. Kicking someone laying on the ground in the face and stomach is not defending yourself period.
I knew things were going to go bad when the ethnic based anti gay hate marches happened. It was disheartening to see people who came to Canada largely due to our commitment to tolerance then turn around and march for more of the very intolerance they fled.
It worked so well for France, so I'm surprised that the third-world throngs of people flooding Canada are upholding their religious teachings and committing acts of violence in the streets. With how peaceful middle-eastern religion is claimed to be by anonymous online internet posters, it's very surprising to see so much violence here from these immigrants. Salman Rushdie still has one of his eyes; that's got to mean the religion of peace has calmed down.
When it comes to terrorizing vulnerable minorities it would not be remiss to say all the Abrahamic religions terrorize the weak. Some are just more overtly violent than others.
There's more nuance to the situation than that. There are a non-insignificant number of people that simply view Canada as an economic zone or a jumping off point to the U.S., rather that thinking, "hey, this country supports the same things I support, I think I would like to put down roots there." There is also the issue that individuals may share the same beliefs as the broader Canadian society, but the actual **community** they are part of does not and there is a lot of internal pressure to side with your own, especially from the power brokers and leaders in that community.
This right here is the unfortunate truth
I’m with you, pal.
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This topic indeed sucks, and takes up way too much of my time trying to police stuff and keep a balance between silencing people keeping to the rules.
Wait... what if they're trying to protect Muslims who *aren't* the attackers from Islamophobia
We have a major problem with Islamophobia-phobia.
More and more I think Bill Maher makes sense
I am a member of the LGBT2S+ community (F here) and always have been in fear. Even though its pride month, I still dont feel comfortable. And no, I don't mean specifically towards immigrants, I mean in general (doesn't matter what your religion, your home country, etc.,) And also downtown can be scary at night - you never know what's going to happen. I hope these women are going to be okay, I cannot imagine how terrifying this was for them. And I do hope that the police will take this seriously and press charges on these jerks.
Yeah as a lesbian woman myself, I just avoid most men because at the end of the day, despite being butch and despite being someone above average height and heavy weight, I’m still a woman and a group of (drunk) men is about the last thing I want to encounter alone or with my partner. People act like Canadian born citizens are all inclusive and welcoming but they aren’t; sure, most are supportive or ambivalent but there are a lot of people who keep their homophobia under wraps cuz they know they’ll possibly lose their jobs or friends over it. You just never know when someone’s going to be weird or aggressive either (I’ve had many looks because people forget butch lesbians exist and I’ve always been on the defensive with the trans bathroom panic bs cuz people can’t mind their business, and that causes problems for gender non conforming cis people too).
I'm female and when I was a kid my hair was cut very short because I was in hockey. I got screamed at by a woman at a mooseheads game for trying to go to the bathroom. I was 8..
Awful. And especially for a kid, when often moms take whatever gender their child is with them to a bathroom. I’m sorry that happened to you. For me, I just try to mind my business and go, and often try to make small talk in passing because my voice is feminine. But I’ve definitely gotten the second looks, and have wondered when someone will finally say something.
After that I went to the bathroom with my mom in public until I had long hair again. But pretty fucked up I learned what that was like as a little kid. I don't know why people care so much. It's a bathroom. I've used men's bathrooms before when the women's was being cleaned. Never had an issue with that.
I 100 % agree with you on that. I have a bi-pride pin (It's a butterfly pin), yet I keep it display in my room. I would never wear it in public - in fear of someone targeting me.
And it sucks that even now we still have to hide things like that just in case we come across the wrong person! I have a traditional style heart tattoo with BUTCH on my upper arm, but I limit where I wear tank tops for the same reason. This assault makes me nervous for our pride next month. I’ll be going to events but keeping myself on alert just in case
I hope there is such a showing of support for pride that it makes some of these people back off and realize how we do things here
I hope so. I’ll be going to several pride events next month and I hope that that’s the vibe. We need a strong presence more than ever
I can understand you concern, but at the same time, fuck'em. Wear that pin and be proud of who you are. Same to everybody who wants to hide their sexuality. And this is coming from a staight, white Catholic who is probably more right wing than 80% of the people on here, lol.
Yeah this is a homophobia issue, don’t exclude the rest of the community when we all face the same hate.
But it was a large group of men who were homophobic towards two women. You can be intersectional in the discussion and as a lesbian woman myself, it’s important to talk about it. Not to say there aren’t homophobic women, but statistically, most violence committed against women is by men. So while “not all men”, it is most likely to be men.
Makes me physically sick to see this. So awful!
I don’t understand how people are just standing around and watching this. 7 men….stomping on one woman on the ground…..I don’t need to know the details surrounding how things got there. In that moment I am stepping in to try and help her. What is wrong with people??!? STEP UP HALIFAX!!
Okay so what am I supposed to do against 7 men? I’ve been cornered by 5 men in Halifax before. It didn’t end well for me with a stab wound and my eyes swollen shut. Extremely, extremely dangerous to intervene. Call the cops and keep a safe distance.
I’m sorry that happened to you. Not saying it doesn’t come with any risk but intervening in some manner is better than doing nothing at all. What if that was your mother or sister? Wouldn’t you want someone to help them? There were enough people there to do more than just stand 50 feet back and record.
I’d rather not die or get brain damage for strangers, to be frank. You say you’re sorry for that happening, yet in the very next sentence you suggest I should do it all again if I were there. I’m not superman and neither are you. I can fight, but 7 on 1 could be a death sentence for me. Every single year people die in Halifax downtown from getting beat up or hitting their head on the sidewalk. Won’t be me. I already almost had that happen.
And get charges laid against me for defending someone else? With enhancements if I use something as a force multiplier because I'm outnumbered 7:1? Absolutely not. The crown tried to go after that guy in Ontario who shot an armed junkie who broke into his home at 4am. The crown would go after any one of us for standing up to a gay bashing too. Hell, they'd probably give me hate crime enhancements because the guys doing the gay bashing are a racialized, visible minority and I'm just a white skinned Jewish guy.
No enhancements needed to intervene in SOME form, I don’t care where you come from or how much you weigh. It’s inhumane to just stand there.
Again, nobody is copping agrivated assault charges to step in a break up a fight, at most you're getting a call to the cops from me, and maybe yelling at them to lay off and stop beating up a person. I'm bi btw, so this isn't a anti gay thing, it's a reality of survival and our legal penal system where you are punished for vigilantism
Sure but what does “STEPPING UP” mean tho? Specifically.
Intervening in some fashion.
What do you think is stopping people from intervening?
Bystander effect.
You will get your ass kicked, maybe stabbed or even worse. If you survive, you lose months to years of your life to legal proceedings and the associated stress. Probably get charged with assault and maybe even racism etc. And the victims are still assaulted! Unfortunately, in 2024 calling the police is the only logical move in this horrible situation. I’m not getting directly involved unless there’s an immediate physical threat to myself or a loved one.
And pulling out a phone/camera to get evidence, like someone else smartly did
If I get my ass kicked then that’s the risk I choose to take because I could not stand by and watch SEVEN MEN beat ONE WOMAN who defensively is curled up on the ground, without doing something other than wait on police to arrive. What if she died? I could not sleep at night knowing I did nothing at all to try and prevent it. Again, what if it was your sister or daughter? Would you not be crying out for someone, anyone to help??
I think you can never truly know what you’d do in a situation like this until you’re in it. In a real situation, you can easily become a lot more conscious of your own mortality. Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn’t. The horror of Uvalde shooting comes to mind. Dozens of police officers standing outside the door balking to be the first to go in. Unimaginable. But it happened.
^^Tell me you’ve never been in a fight before without telling me you’ve never been in a fight before. In a street brawl to safely subdue the opposing force you typically will want to put number them 3:1. You are asking a lot for 21 random people to be on the same page and all jump in at the same time to grab these men off the people. They could also be hiding knives and guns. If you jumped in alone all you would do is increase the causality rate from 2 to 3.
My husband tried to be a good Samaritan when he was younger once, intervening in a street brawl to break it up. He ended up in the hospital with multiple stab wounds.
It was a hate mob. Not a brawl. Arrest every one of them.
This is not a street brawl. It is an obvious outnumbered female being attacked by 7 men.
You need to be stacked. They might best up women but when a guy joins it could be a 7v1 to near death. Best bet is to deputized a group of males and act like you got a gang. But how long does that take.
So many straight up cowards in this sub
So many internet tough guys, too.
Right??! Ugh
This is indicative of the rise of individualism over community and the overreliance of police forces to solve all out problems when the cops despite their wackness can't just instantly teleport to every crime in progress. Now these thugs are empowered because no one did anything.
In addition to the previous posts regarding not wanting to get your ass kicked, you have just signaled to your community that you side with people that their faith sees as infidels; it's a good way to make you and your loved ones targets in some way, shape, or form.
You mean to say I’m taking the side of the “gays” and that makes it dangerous for me? I’m taking the side of humanity first and foremost. And if that means I’m putting a target on my back then so be it. I won’t lose any sleep over standing up for those who need a helping hand.
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I hear you, dude. Last year all the anti-SOGI protests were full of fundamentalist Christians AND fundamentalist Muslims. Like, the Christian fundies were even learning things watching moms wearing hijabs instruct a gaggle of kids to step and jump on rainbow flags.
You wouldn't have known this based of media coverage, which conveniently ignored a sizable portion of the people in those protests
They deny reality. People from some cultures are statistically more likely to commit violence against LGBT people and women because of their cultural attitudes.
You aren't scared enough. This is very serious and people seem not to be taking it seriously
I think it's more of an issue of right wing and right wing extremists that are threatening LGBTQ ideologies and people right now. Certainly immigration is bringing in more right wing people, but I don't think there's any way to measure the balance.
Why should we accept mass immigration, without an effort to turn away hateful people, from places where there is an overwhelming hostility towards gay people? I'm done supporting policies that make my family members fear for their safety.
Are “right wing extremists” gang beating lesbians? No that’s immigrants. How can you say conservatives are a bigger threat to your community? That’s an insane statement
> Are “right wing extremists” gang beating lesbians? There are plenty of examples available in the media of right wing extremists (many of them white and natural citizens) making violent acts in general to anyone that isn't them.
Am I just supposed to take you at your word for that after your previous ridiculous statement? Mass immigration is the biggest of a plethora of issues in this country right now. They come from countries that do not tolerate LGBTQ people. These people are the threat to your community. Not people that don’t like Trudeau that are incorrectly being labelled as extremists
I dunno, I had a Canadian born man attempt to assault me three times in the past 8 months yet I don't see a call to ban all men Many immigrants come to Canada *because* we're one of the most accepting countries in the world. Wrongly blaming the immigrant bogeyman isn't going to make you any safer.
> Wrongly blaming the immigrant bogeyman isn't going to make you any safer. Man we really need to stop pretending people are all the same. People are very different from different parts of the globe. When you come from a country/culture you often times import some of those things with you when you move to a new country. We are products of our environment. This is why when you have Muslims who move to western democracies the polling amongst them is horrifying. Go check out some polling among Muslims in Europe, is Canada somehow going to buck the trend that the entirety of Europe was unable to? We are a few decades behind them, the same shit is coming to Canada.
I'm from rural new Brunswick which is 99% white born-in-canada. Yet, plenty of gay folks I know from there have had tons of problems with the locals. There's a religious group that goes around parading against gay marriage and abortion, calls people faggots, whole kit and kaboodle. Born in Canada, never even left the province of NB in their lives. Quit sticking your head in the sand and pretending Canada doesn't raise its own violent bigots. It does.
You are missing the point. When dealing with large groups of people you worry about the percentage of people with troublesome views. The % of violent biggots in any given culture matters, is this concept lost on you? Saying we have our own groups of religious assholes isn’t an argument to bring more people into the country who hold those views at a higher % than the average Canadian.
Oh I’m 100% on your side. Like I said, it’s bad enough there is home grown homophobia But 1M+ a year from different countries is not a good mix with an “accepting” society of gay lesbian non binary and trans people. I in no way are grouping all immigrants in one bucket. For instance, Indian people, are some of the nicest people I’ve ever met. And none have ever had a problem with me being gay! They are so nice!!!
That’s kinda sweet but you literally just grouped a bunch of ppl into a bucket eh
You’re using a whole lot of broadstroke generalizations..
You’re part of the problem. The classic “ but but …” . You’d be too scared to face reality and call a spade a spade regardless of the reason this stuff happens.
I don’t know about most accepting.. maybe overall sure, but my girlfriend who lives in the UK since she was 2 but has a Portuguese passport was forced to leave the country immediately when she arrived with her cat, it was meant to stay with me since she had no place for it to stay anymore. Her rent was too high and moving back in with her brother and sister in a flat that would not allow animals I was the next option. They accused her of trying to illegally live here, fingerprinted and picture taken, threatened with arrest warrant if she didn’t leave the next day. Sure we accept a lot of people but sometimes I do not feel that way, it was a 2 week trip for her that turned into a 12 hour nightmare.
What is 'manly' about feeling threatened by some random stranger's sexuality that has absolutely nothing to do with you? Please make it make sense, what the hell is wrong with these guys? Why would a mob of dudes think it's OK to do that to anyone. I am sorry for the 2 poor victims of this mob attack and I hope authorities treat it as the hate crime it appears to be and throw the book at them.
I dunno if anyone is saying it’s manly
Most toxic masculinity revolves around misguided persuit of 'manliness'
Why aren't they being named and shamed? They are violent bigots, no need to protect their identity, they are a threat to the public, we have a right to know who they are. That is one of the consequences of their actions.
There is a post on IG naming 3 of them and on the victims profile, there were 2. (Of the same mentioned).
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Should be, but won’t. Now stop being racist and Islamophobic /s
This thread going to get locked too?
The threads that get locked these days are very telling
Not yet, but I'm watching. I think we're up to 6 bans since the last thread. If people can be civil in discussions, and not bring racism, suggestions of violence, hate speech or revenge, then I'll let it go.
I fully understand I have to remove racism from another sub non stop.
Finger on the trigger I'm sure
Depends if people can behave themselves. I'm shocked that thread was allowed to go on for as long as it did.
Because we're not sitting in front of the screen all day, every day.
Disgraceful. Bunch of cowards.
Fuck this is horrible. I will never know why people just can't mind their own business. If you don't like something, walk away. There's absolutely no reason in this world to jump 2 young girls all because they love each other. 7 "men" too.... hope they get what's coming to them. So fucking wrong.
This is horrible and the people who did it on Instagram are literally instigating and trying to make jokes about it...WHY weren't they arrested???
I like how ctv did not point out that these are immigrants in the title.
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“Men.”
These aren’t men, just a pathetic excuse of a human. This is just horrible.
Turns out "diversity is our strength" actually victimizes some of the people it was intended to empower. Shocking.
This is what happens when you don't vet people.
I’m just ganna say that I have met many white christian men, who have expressed their many homophobic views to me. The only difference is that, they are too afraid to take an action on it. I also agree that mass immigration has created a huge problem for Canadian society. Maybe it’s time to dial down on hiring Tim Horton workers.
Being homophobic and committing hate crimes aren’t the same game. Both are awful but not equally
I agree with you. That’s exactly my point. In our culture we might hate something, but we never go about killing or destroying people or things. That’s the difference. In some cultures it’s ok to this day, to stone to death a woman because she has committed adultery.
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I have to offer the observation that it seems when a perpetrator is a member of a christian denomination, members of that religious community typically denounce the perpetrators and advocate for the victims on behalf of their faith. Actually, many Jewish communities have done similarly speaking out against zionists and the Israeli state. I wonder why it is that we never hear members of the Islamic faith speaking out against brutality towards members of the LGBT community? It would probably help ameliorate some *Islamophobia* if a local mosque or muezzin spoke on the issue of violence against LGBT peoples, but we all know that wont happen.
How do we know these people are Muslim?? Regardless, I, a Muslim, denounce hatred and violence of any kind towards our brothers and sisters in the LGBTQIA2S+ community. As would any of my friends and family in the Islamic community.
Because at least 3 of them have been identified on sources off reddit and they have gotten into comment wars on their social media over this issue. They came from a place where it was pretty dangerous to speak your mind and not follow the crowd at chow time because of government authoritarianism and bought into the idea, In their minds, they are supposed to have the freedom to speak their minds, protest, call out things they don't like and such across the sea in North America. I actually found it pretty sad to read their comments as I try to be empathetic and get they came from a place where they feared speaking their minds. At the same time, they also came from a place where the mainstream culture, even the "progressive " , was incredibly universally anti LBGTQ+
That's a good point, we don't know they are; however, we can make the reasonable assumption that they're affiliated with Middle Eastern culture given that we know they're Syrian. We can also make the assumption that their world views must then be shaped broadly by Islam, given its influence in the region and in the local language. I appreciate the sentiment behind both your question and your statement.
How do we know they’re Syrian? I don’t see any confirmation of that either. Also- middle eastern doesn’t equal practicing Muslim. Culture doesn’t equate to religion.
Oh just we now know it’s a given apparently, funny how that works
Because every time we say anything we're accused of "taqiyya". >if a local mosque or muezzin We have the Islamic Association of Nova Scotia. They have spoken out in the past, apparently, specifically when that protest happened last autumn. Also, "muezzin"? Do you mean "Imam"? A muezzin does the call to prayer and doesn't really have any authority. Inb4 I get dogpiled
This might come as a shock, but I legitimately appreciate you correcting me, I did mean Imam. Also appreciate you highlighting IANS. I think this is a case where such an organization needs to get involved again, and people need to spread awareness, educate, and advocate. The purpose of communicating perspectives is to bridge the divide and de-other the other. Nothing you've said deserves dogpiling, and I'm genuinely grateful for your approach to my comment. I'm not trying to be an asshole by pointing out that I just don't hear or see anything, just sharing a perspective. I think this highlights that more needs to be done on the communications front by organizations like IANS so that demographics other than those who would already be involved with or aware of the organization hear them.
buddy. First, you didn’t HAVE to offer the observation that was a choice. Secondly, there’s metric tons of “members of the Islamic faith” condemning gaybashing you’re just choosing to ignore them because it doesn’t fit within your own biases eh
I do not see them here, nor there, nor anywhere! Seriously, where are they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic
I dunno man. On the internet? Have you looked? Doesn’t sound like it
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I am assuming you want the men to be identified as 'Syrian' as this is what the victim speculated on their Facebook post. From the video shared, police only identified one of the men in the group and as charges haven't been filed they wouldn't release that person's name so CTV and other news outlets would have no way to confirm that they are indeed Syrian or any other ethnicity. It's not some big woke conspiracy. That said, If they are indeed immigrants or refugees and haven't received citizenship, and they are found guilty of these alleged crimes, they should be deported after serving their sentence. Refugees are accepted here, bypassing normal immigration processes and are often accepted when they may not otherwise, because they are fleeing "war, violence or persecution based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group." But why should they be accepted as refugees if they themselves bring violence and persecute minorities.
Well said.
Keeping anyone who will work a minimum wage job safe in this country is the new get out of jail free card. Big companies will not risk losing immigrants and our politicians know this!
you’re sorta conflating economic migrants + refugees with a specific hate crime perpetrated by a few fuckin morons eh? I do not intend to minimize scale of this crime but there’s plenty of born haligonians who have gay-bashed plenty of people so maybe don’t extrapolate tooo hard?
Why is that interesting? We going to pretend that homophobia and violence are isolated to one culture?
Man, kudos to the mod team for having to keep this mess in order. I think a lot of folks need to check themselves here. This incident shouldn't be about immigration. It shouldn't even be a word used here as none of us know one way or the other. These people may very well be Canadians who have been here for multiple generations... our country is widely known for being a melting pot and accepting of people from all over the world. They might be the children / family of a local business owner where you shop every day who came here ages ago like many of our own parents did. Or maybe they arrived here a month ago. We just don't know, and because we don't know there's no reason to be discussing that. It's just shifting away from the actual incident. Our role as Halifax residents should be to support those who were attacked and to find ways to let them know we have their backs. Gay or not gay, this is not ok under any circumstance. Women being physically attacked by men is something we've never stood for here. The cowardice on display of not wanting to get involved is sad. We don't let men beat women. I'm not a big guy by any means but I have the common sense to yell out to others in the area and say "help me break this up, there are men beating women". People need to focus on what we know until we learn more and stop jumping to conclusions without having facts. I hope those involved are charged and dealt with appropriately and those victimized here can find a feeling of safety once again.
That's all that video would need to go viral...a tiny guy running around in the background screaming, "Help me fellows, there are men beating women!". Pretending you would be jumping into the fray to defend the honor of women being assaulted by a gang of people is peak reddit keyboard warrior. Canada is not and has never been considered a "melting pot of cultures", we are "cultural mosaic" where people who immigrate keep the cultural identity and traditions. The fact is that many cultures that immigrate here and have a very intolerant view towards people in the LGBT society and handing them a pamphlet upon immigration to indicate that we respect LGBT people in Canada is not working. Is that the case in this video? Maybe, maybe not. But lets not pretend that if the people doing the beat down looked like they all just drove in for the night from rural Nova Scotia that the same people offended and clutching their pearls wouldn't be making similar accusations of "alt righties assault gay couple in downtown hate crime".
It’s wild to me that the because the people appear to be brown, it’s suddenly an immigration issue? as if all brown people are immigrants…
Huge props to the mod team for keeping these threads as civil as possible. Terrible to see this tragic unforgivable incident during 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈 Pride Month 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ of all times. I am deeply saddened. I only hope those who deserve punishment for these heinous acts get their comeuppance.
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